Donna Adelson Trial: The OG Snitch.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, yeah, yourself.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
I don't want to give it to you. Why why
would have to.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Said, look at the press, I have to go away,
I have to go, I have to I can help.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
You also have to say please.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Insta grounds take the back.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Yeah, you need to wait outside?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay years old?

Speaker 5 (00:41):
You can't.

Speaker 6 (00:41):
Yeah, I can't. Can't.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Oh don't you sweet? So God to help him get home.

Speaker 7 (00:50):
This is terrible.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Talk about.

Speaker 6 (00:57):
Something we do.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
So you have.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
No do you have any value in you than it off?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
You are listening to the ROBERTA.

Speaker 8 (01:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:43):
From New York City.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
ROBERTA.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Glass is now on the record.

Speaker 8 (02:13):
Okay, how is everybody?

Speaker 7 (02:18):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 8 (02:22):
Can everybody hear me?

Speaker 7 (02:26):
Oh? Oh?

Speaker 9 (03:21):
What I enjoyed most about our practice is restoring a
person's smile that often changes their personality and gives them
a more positive outlook on life. Our practice uses the
most modern dental technology from rotary endedonics, computer generated ceramic restorations,

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digital radiographs, intraoral photography, and of course, we use nitrous
oxide and oral sedation for the highest level of patient
comfort and relaxation.

Speaker 10 (03:59):
My name is Charlie Aedelson and I am a pariodontist
owner and co partner with my father, doctor Harvey Aedelson,
who's a cosmetic dentist.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
What I love about.

Speaker 10 (04:16):
What I do is being able to restore people's smiles
and change the way they chew, change the way they live,
and change their self esteem and how they think about
themselves on a daily basis. When a patient comes to
my office, they're being treated like family, and it's also

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being a team approach where the hygienist, the cosmetic dentists,
and the pariodontists are all working together to give them
the optimal result.

Speaker 11 (04:50):
My name is Jennifer Keatschilla. I've been coming here for
about ten years. My experiences have been very positive. The
staff is very professional. I came here ten years ago
to to get my Veneers put on and I have
been absolutely thrilled with results. And I can't say how
wonderful and professional the staff has just been. They've been really,

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really caring and just amazing. I would definitely recommend this
space to others. I have actually recommended for people to
come here. My husband has come here as well.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
My name is Clint Stevenson.

Speaker 12 (05:24):
I've been coming to doctor Rayedelson's office for about five
and a half years now, I've been phenomenal. I'm never
a big fan of the dentist, but ever since I
got introduced to this office, great staff, very friendly, and
I always felt I'm taking care of well, very professional.
Every time I come here, I feel like I get
the fullmost from their attention from the staff and doctor
Raedelson is himself as well, so it's a great experience.

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Every time I come. I look forward to it as well.
I highly recommend them.

Speaker 8 (05:56):
Okay, how is that better?

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Better?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Better?

Speaker 8 (06:01):
Okay? Sometimes it happens when you're live. Hello, everybody. That
was the Agelsins commercial. Hello, Taterbug, Bonnie, Doris dark Side,
thank you for your patients, kitties, Carol, Oh, hey Carol,

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how's it going. Nice to see you. My dog named Bo.
Then Jen, thank you everyone for your patients. Sometimes that
just happens when you're alive. I really didn't do anything different,
but I did the old unplug and plug in again
this technique there. So I wanted to go over today

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Luis Rivera's testimony because of course he is. His testimony.
They're trying to maximize his position as a Latin king.
They want to use the words Latin king. They want
to say that Donna Adelson was scared of him despite

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not knowing really who he was too much and really
piggyback on Charlie Adelson's defense. So I thought this would
be a time to watch Louis Rivera's testimony. Of course,
you know, when you look at it, what's compelling is
how much he mentions Wendy's name. This was all done

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for Wendy to get her kids. So as much as
someone like I have speculated in this case that this
was a crime done for greed for Wendy to preserve
her career, the main reason that Luis Rivera understood it

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was about Wendy getting soul custody of her kids, and
really it was ultimately about removing Dan Markel from the
planet led us not delay. By the way, just a
quickie for those that caught yesterday's episode. I was talking
about two prison snitches that Donna Aedelson wanted to preserve.
The testimony of one was Cassidy Conroy, the other one

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was Brittany Purcell. I've made a pinned comment in the
comment section and linked the episode I did on those
two Leon County inmates that said that repeated what Donna said.
They said was repeated some of Donna's dialogue that Katie

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said that had her planned with the Adolson family worked,
she would have been sitting pretty in Hawaii with a
fancy drink. Fancy lady, fancy lady strikes again. So I
don't know if you saw this, but right before this,

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so right before he's set to testify, let's go back
a little bit here, solet just show you this because
it's edited out. God about this part, right, there's a
little some questions from Dan Rashbaum. So I thought we'd
start really at the beginning here. Let's take a listen on.

Speaker 13 (09:30):
The testimony you're about to give will be the truth.

Speaker 14 (09:33):
You may take your.

Speaker 15 (09:34):
Seat, Rivera, all right, in twenty fourteen fifteen, you're a
member of the Latin Kings.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
Is that right? Yes?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
And that's a violent gang. Now we have family.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
It's a gang, right, he has a gang.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
It's a family.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
Though in fact, you were ahead of the North Miami
branch of Blinding Kings.

Speaker 8 (10:04):
We're a family. We're a family who we kill each other,
but we're a family. We're a family that kills other
other families. Members of different families sometimes are owed they
get out of lied, right, sir.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
That's the questions I have here, honor.

Speaker 14 (10:25):
Thank you you have things you raised concerning this in
light of what has been proffered as the theory.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Of defense still relevance.

Speaker 14 (10:39):
As this specifically goes to the defendant's theory of defense.
I will permit the line of questioning that has been raised. However,
mister Ralschbaum, you're being cautioned as to going into any
matters that are collateral to your theory itself. Do you
understand what the line is?

Speaker 6 (10:57):
Understand, your honor.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Let's working the jurors.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
It is too easy.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
By the way, I will be streaming Donna Edelson's hearing tomorrow.
If it's broadcast, I will be streaming it at one
thirty tomorrow, so look for that here on this channel. Also,
I will be streaming every day of this trial, starting
with jury selection, special guests planned. It's going to be fun.

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So starting tuesdays when Donna's trial starts. Can you believe it?
It's finally here. The date is finally here. So join
me tomorrow at one thirty for the hearing, six o'clock
for my live stream, and then I'll be live streaming
Monday through Friday the trial, and then at six I'll

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be doing my regular live nightly live streams. That's all
Eastern time.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (12:33):
Entering the courtroom, Yeah, everyone except for mister Rivera. Maybe

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see I'm going to swear you now in front of
the jury. Please raise your right hand, sir, Do you
swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will
be the truth? You may take your seat.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
You may examine them.

Speaker 14 (13:13):
Ready.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
What is your name, sir, mister Rivera. Where are you from, ma'am?

Speaker 4 (13:20):
I'm Puerto Rican raising Miami, right?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
And I see you wearing a jail uniform. Have you
been convicted of a felony?

Speaker 8 (13:30):
Carol? That is a brilliant observation, Carol says, Charlie looks
like a sickly Victorian child, doesn't he? A little? MAESTROI
ish too? Does he look like one of those old
pictures they used to paintings they used to do with children?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
How many times? Right?

Speaker 4 (13:58):
All right?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
And are you currently in carse right?

Speaker 6 (14:00):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Are you serving a sentence for both this case that
we're here about and also a federal case, yes, ma'am.
All right, let's start with the federal case. What is
the nature of that.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Charge, conspiracy with the Latin Kings.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Conspiracy rico, like a racketeering ma'am. And that's related to
your involvement with the Latin Kings.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Is that a gang a gang family?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Okay? And that was a group that you were affiliated
with when you lived in Miami, ma'am. Okay. And we've
heard that when some incidents occurred during this case, you
were incarcerated in Broward County. Were you incarcerated in Broward
County back in twenty sixteen? No, you were never embrowered

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twenty sixteen. Yeah, okay, So you were incarcerated, but not embrower.
That was part of the russ that you were.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yeah, I was, but I was two sixteen, I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I was in all right. So at the time of
the what we're calling the bump, you were actually in
federal custody. And is that on the racketeering case. You're
still serving a sentence on that case, okay? And is
that case in any way related to the murder that
we're here about today?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
All right?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
So when law enforcement came to talk to you and
identified you as a suspect in the murder case, you
were already serving this sentence unrelated? Is that right? Have
you been promised anything in reference to that federal case
or your testimony here today? All right? And have you
ever gotten any help on the federal case for your

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cooperation in this case?

Speaker 5 (15:39):
All right?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
What did you get for your cooperation in this case?

Speaker 4 (15:42):
In this case, the murder case on nineteen years?

Speaker 5 (15:44):
All right?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
And was the nineteen years to be served concurrently or
at the same time with the federal sentence you're already
serving time? What is your release date once you conclude
both sentences?

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Both centers?

Speaker 12 (16:00):
Right?

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Two thousand, thirty two.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Thirty three thirty two or thirty three, twenty thirty two
or twenty thirty three?

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (16:07):
And what is it that you have to do in
exchange for this nineteen year sentence on the murder case?

Speaker 4 (16:12):
To testify?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
All right? What do you have to testify too?

Speaker 12 (16:16):
Murder?

Speaker 2 (16:17):
All right? And are you has anyone told you to
say anything other than the truth in the case? Have
I or anyone promised you anything other than what we've
already discussed the sentence you've got now? Anybody ever told
you that you had to testify about a specific person
in order to get a deal.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Now, all right?

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I want to talk about how you came to be
a part participant in the murder of Dan Markel. Did
you participate in his murder? How is it that you
came to be a part of that.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
From a friend?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
And who's your friend Garcia? Who's Garcia? Is that Sifredo Garcia?

Speaker 4 (17:15):
How did you know him childhood?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
And would you had you described him as a brother previously?
Is that because he was in the gang or he
was not in a gang, but he was a good
enough friend that you referred to him as And back
around the time that this crime occurred in twenty fourteen,
were you and mister Garcia together all the time?

Speaker 5 (17:39):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
And mister Garcia, is he the one that came to
you with the information about this job that needed to
be done?

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
And I say job? Is that what this murder was
to you, ma'am? So your motive for coming to Tallahassee
and participating in this murder was money?

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yes, ma'am said did you know?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
And marcl did you know anything about him? All right?
So do you know why Garcia or how Garcia came
to know about this murder or this job?

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Girl, who's that.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
All right? So? Am I correct that Katie hired Garcia,
and Garcia hired you. And who was to actually come
to tell house to do the murder? It was me
and you and Garcia, but not Katie. So she stayed
in Miami, all right? And who was to get the
money once the job was done? Right? And did she

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get the money? Ma'am? Do you know where she got
the money from? You know where she got the money from?

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Who are the people the dentist I called them the
dentists at that time, the dentist like Wendy and her brother.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
And do you know which one of them actually handed
Katie the money? And you weren't there for that, ma'am.
So Katie went to get the money from the people,
which includes both of them, and then brought it back
to you. Yes, okay, we'll talk a little bit more
about that in a minute. Did you originally describe the
purpose behind this murder as helping a lady in Tallahassee

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get her kids? What do you mean did you describe
the I know your purpose was money, So whoever did
the hiring had to get the purpose right?

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
And what was your understanding of that purpose?

Speaker 4 (19:33):
For the kids to get these kids, get the kids?

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
And do you know any more about that? Which family
member did what and whose kids they were or anything
like that.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
I don't think I know that kids was Wendy, Wendy,
they're Wendy's kids.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Yeah, that's one thing I know, okay.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
And it had something to do with getting Wendy's kids, ma'am.
Do you know the dentist? No, have you ever met
the dentist before? What did the dentist have to do
with the lady in Tallahassee that had the kids? And

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what was his connection to you or to Garcia?

Speaker 4 (20:23):
To mean nothing, his connection was that was Katie's boyfriend.

Speaker 8 (20:28):
I mean, he just wanted to His thing was robbing people.
He's like, why can't we just rob this family? They
got money, they got enough money for a murder, Let's
rob them. And that would have been the second time
that this plan fell apart. A year earlier they wanted

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to do this hit and it fell apart. Charlie was scammed,
all right.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
So Katie was Garcia's child's mother is ma'am, and also
was dating Charlie Agielson. Absolutely, did you know before you
before the murder was committed. Did you know how much
you were going to be paid? No? When did you
find out how much you were going to be paid up? Okay,

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so that was before the murder was committed. Yeah, yeah,
all right. And so when you were driving up you
found out the job was going to pay how much
for you?

Speaker 4 (21:31):
It only gave me thirty seven thirty.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Seven thousand dollars, ma'am. And how much was the total
bill for the job, and that a split between who.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Three ways you and who else? Me Garcia and Katie.

Speaker 8 (21:49):
So thirty seven thousand dollars for nineteen years in prison,
which you're doing consecutively with another charge. He's been writing
and saying, I did you guys a favor let me
out Early. I've been writing the state of Florida try
and think, please, try to get me out of his

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prison time early.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Was this job in any way related to your gang affiliation? No?

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Absolutely, not.

Speaker 16 (22:29):
To show you.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
State's exhibits.

Speaker 16 (22:36):
Shouldn't have.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Oh, I'll show you thirty seven and thirty eight. Recognize

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these photos? Are those photos of the folks that were
involved in this homicide? Yep, that's another young lady who's.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
That That's my big moment. She's not involved, okay?

Speaker 4 (23:14):
And what's her name? Jessica?

Speaker 2 (23:16):
All right, judge? At this time, I asked him, Moving
to evidence thirty seven and thirty eight, Jay, it's thirty
seven and thirty eight published thirty.

Speaker 16 (23:25):
Seven at this time? Please you know? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Who's that on the far left in the green shirt
or cel Okay?

Speaker 4 (23:50):
And next to him Katie and next to her Jessica.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
And then that's you on the right, yes, ma'am. When
was this photo taken? Let me ask you this was
it before or after the homicide?

Speaker 4 (24:06):
I can't remember?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Take it sometime after the homicide? You can't remember?

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Remember?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Okay, state's thirty eight. Who are these folks?

Speaker 4 (24:22):
That's me and Garcia?

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Did mister Garcia go buy any nicknames? And what about you?
Did you have a nickname? Had you ever been to
Tallahassee before you came for this murder? Did you come

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to Tallahassee one time or more than one time?

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Twice?

Speaker 2 (24:52):
And both times? What was that with just you and Garcia?

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Ma'am?

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Both times? Did you come in a rental car?

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
How long had can we go back to oh?

Speaker 15 (25:09):
I just.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
M oh?

Speaker 2 (25:30):
How long?

Speaker 8 (25:31):
This is not like Georgia to not have something on
the ready. That's usually Dan Rashbaund's style, to have to
run and get documents.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I had Katherine mcbanaa and Secredo Garcia been I guess
on again off again only ten years. So at the
time of this homicide, they've been on and offer about
ten years, ma'am. Okay, so you knew her pretty well
as far as through Garcia, right, kah? And did she
go by Katie sometimes?

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
M hm m Judge Madam paball to say, it's fifty
nine at this time.

Speaker 16 (26:35):
Okay, turn it out, m hm yah.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Mister Rivera. Have you seen this exhibit before? Yes'm And
have you had an opportunity to take a look at
the phone numbers associated with the people on this chart.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
That you know?

Speaker 4 (27:00):
I've seen them, but I don't remember them.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Don't remember those numbers. Have you previously testified about the numbers? No?

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Maybe one of them things minds.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Okay. Did you have an opportunity to look at the
rental contract that you filled out for the rental.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Car that was used in this homicide the prius?

Speaker 5 (27:23):
All right?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
And that contract has your phone number on it? Correct?

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
And if that phone number matches the one up there
where that be the correct number for you at that time.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Or at least one of them, probably one of them
had multiple phones though.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, you had a couple of phones, right, Okay, the
address that was on the rental contract.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Can see that.

Speaker 8 (28:07):
You know, the problem with pushing this gang fear of
a gang member, Latin king member, is that her lawyer
has already used the undercover statement that he was in
character as a Latin king. So if she is so
in fear of the and I'm sure she's in jail now,

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she hasn't already thinking up a reason. I'm sorry, that's
my rose, that's my fault. Sorry, I'm sure she doesn't
make sense why she didn't pay the first time with
a five thousand dollars it's much less. She's so in fear.

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I mean, maybe they didn't offer them a reasonable payment plan?
Is that why? I mean, what is she going to
say to that? So curious how her defense is gonna
what she's going to use as her defense. We haven't
really We've gotten little hints here and there, but we
have no idea about this investigation really, other than Donna.

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Sounds like Donna was looking for inmates to blame it
on Katie to continue on with Charlie Aedelson's defense. But
I mean, how do you think that that was such
a loser. They came back in two and a half
hours and convicted them. Why would you want to continue on?
I guess that's the only way you can go. I mean,
where else? Let me know where else you could go

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with the defense with Donna Aedelson in this case. If
you were a defense lawyer, what would you do? Be
curious to hear? Is this the only defense you can
do using all the evidents? For most of it?

Speaker 4 (29:57):
No, I was just a license.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
So you provided your driver's license to rent the car, yes, ma'am?

Speaker 16 (30:08):
And yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
And at the time on your license on approaching with
State's fifty eight, it had this eighteen oh five Normandy
drive on your license. Where were you actually.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Living at that time?

Speaker 4 (30:31):
I was living with Jessica, okay.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
And was Jessica's address at fifteen fifteen Northeast one hundred
and thirty fifth, number fourteen ma'am? All right, So I
want to talk about the first trip. Do you know

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the date that you left to come here for the
first trip? Does June fourth of twenty fourteen, sound correct?

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Probably?

Speaker 5 (31:01):
All right?

Speaker 2 (31:02):
How did you get here? Who drove?

Speaker 4 (31:06):
I drove? He drove half and I drove the other half.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
All right, so you both did some of the driving, right?
And how did you know where you were going? Oh?

Speaker 5 (31:20):
He knew his way?

Speaker 16 (31:22):
Who did?

Speaker 2 (31:23):
How did he know his way?

Speaker 4 (31:25):
He had a piece of paper? I would have put
an address in the picture.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
What kind of what can you describe? What the piece
of paper? Like, a regular piece of paper like this size, ma'am?
Was it whitey? Was it like this kind of paper
that goes into printer? What was printed on it?

Speaker 7 (31:43):
It was an?

Speaker 12 (31:43):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (31:46):
The the dude's address?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Okay? Was the address printed or handwritten? If you know?

Speaker 4 (31:53):
And I can't remember?

Speaker 5 (31:54):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (31:54):
I did it have a photograph on it?

Speaker 4 (31:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (31:57):
All right?

Speaker 2 (31:58):
So I had a photograph and an address? Anything else
written on there.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
That I remember?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
So that's how you knew who you were supposed to
kill and where that person lived. So you didn't get
the address from the Profts blog. No, you don't read
the Profts blog. Are you on the Profts blog server list? Okay?

Speaker 8 (32:33):
Dan Rashmount doesn't like his defense being made fun of, said,
I love watching Georgia. She's always so sarcastic. He didn't
read this, you, he can't read. It's my understanding, it's
basically illiterate. He didn't read this. You didn't get this

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on the Profts blog. Dan Markel was putting up where
it was going on the He didn't read this legal
blog to find out where where he was scary though
he's got those scary psycho eyes.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Did mister Garcia get any information about mister Markel from
a blog?

Speaker 12 (33:22):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Did either of you, to your knowledge, go on the
computer and look on his Facebook or search him in
any kind of way at all? All right, So everything
you did you did from this piece of paper, ma'am.
Did you go to the address on the paper? On
the first trip, ma'am? Were you able to see Professor

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Markel that that trip?

Speaker 5 (33:47):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
What did y'all do that trip?

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Follow him?

Speaker 5 (33:50):
But I lost we lost him?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
But all right, So you saw his vehicle and tried
to follow it. Do you remember where you followed it
that that trip? Not?

Speaker 4 (34:00):
That's great, but I don't think I remember.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Okay, did you watch his home? Sit and watch his
home during this first trip? Did anybody get out of
the car and look around or poke around his property?
Who did that? Why didn't the murder get done on
this trip?

Speaker 4 (34:21):
And I can't remember did you have a weapon with you?
M I think we have. I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Did you previously say that you each had a firearm
on both trips?

Speaker 12 (34:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Okay? Do you remember where which weapon was the murder weapon?

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Yeah? Remember the weapon?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
How where did the murder weapon come from?

Speaker 12 (34:44):
I got it?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Where'd you get it from?

Speaker 4 (34:46):
On the streets?

Speaker 5 (34:47):
All right?

Speaker 2 (34:48):
And was that in Miami? Up here?

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Miami?

Speaker 5 (34:51):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (34:52):
So you went and got a weapon. Was that specifically
for the purpose of murder?

Speaker 16 (34:56):
Murder?

Speaker 2 (34:59):
And what did that weapon come up here on the
first trip with you?

Speaker 4 (35:04):
I think so? All right?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
And was there another firearm in the car as well?
Whose gun was the other one?

Speaker 8 (35:13):
That's an interesting part of his interrogat interrogation or when
he comes in and talks to the police, I don't
know what you want to call it, where he talks
about having two guns and they were saying, well, you're
sure you weren't the shooter in this case, why would
you have a gun on you? He says, well, I
don't know. The guy's doing drugs, So he was doing

(35:34):
a lot of substances, and I didn't know if he
was going to turn on me and eliminate me so
he could get all the money. And this is his
childhood friend. If that was the real reason, or if
that's a cover for another reason, let me know. I
don't know if I can entirely buy it. But the

(35:55):
police seemed to buy it, and they said, oh, I've
seen that before. It's like, have they seen that before?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
And the murder weapon, what type of weapon was that?
Is that a revolver?

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yes, ma'am?

Speaker 5 (36:11):
All right?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Was there a particular plan as far as who was
going to actually do the murder?

Speaker 4 (36:18):
I was supposed to do it, okay?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
And was it always going to be a shooting?

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Was going to be a shooting?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
What was the plan? Were you always going to do
it in this car? Or what was there any kind
of plan?

Speaker 5 (36:28):
There was no plan really a plan of the now.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
So it was just going to be if there an
opportunity arose, the opportunity, just we do what we got
to do. And what if an opportunity arose when the
children were present?

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Of not doing that in front of the kids, okay,
not me?

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Did somebody instruct you on that or that was just
a given that you weren't going to do it.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
I was not going to do it. Period.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
On that first trip, when you were discussing this murder
and the payment, was there any conversation about maybe switching
it to a robbery, yes, all right. And who brought
up the possibility of switching it from a murder to
a robbery? Me? And what was your suggestion?

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Was to go back and rob the lady?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
And who's the lady?

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Wendy?

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Okay, because did you believe at that time that Wendy
was the one that had this money to pay for
the murder?

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Yes, ma'am, all right.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
So your thought was, hey, let's just take the money,
just take the money, don't even have to do a murder, right,
we have to do none of it. And why why
didn't that happen instead of the murder?

Speaker 5 (37:35):
He told me he can just you just had to
do this job on it. I just went with it
because I was my friend, So I just went with.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
The Garcia told you that you had to get this
job done, yes, ma'am. And the job had to be
done for Katie, right, yes, ma'am. All right. So let's
talk about the second trip. Is that when the murder
happened July sixteenth through the eighteenth, Yes, ma'am okay. And

(38:06):
that's the rental car agreement that already shows you that
was the preas she traveled up here in absolutely yes,
And we talked about your phone number. But there's another
phone number on that rental agreement that says brother. Is
that Garcia's phone number?

Speaker 5 (38:23):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Who would be the brother that you would put on
the rental contract as going with you Garcia? Did you
take phones with you when you came to tallahassee cell phones?

Speaker 5 (38:46):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
And did you have the phones on or off for
the actual homicide of that moment? And did you take
the same guns with you that second trip this mountain?
Where did you stay while you were here in the hotel?
Was there an incident while you were here for that

(39:10):
trip prior to the actual murder where one of the
guns was discharged in the prius? Could you tell us
what happened.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
But the gun went off, well, Gracia was playing with
the gun, I was driving, and he put a hole
right through the floor and the passenger's side.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Were you actually out on the roads and did it
have an impact on your ability to drive the car.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Yeah, I hit the gas line, all right?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
So what how'd you get it?

Speaker 8 (39:41):
Some of the Quentin Tarantino stuff. I mean, they didn't
shoot someone in the face, but practically it always reminds
me of that scene in Fuld fiction fixed.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Oh, he flagged somebody down there. We met the first time,
some people, and they get They gave him a ride
to the to the AutoZone and get a.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
A piece of hole was to connect it back.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
So somebody gave you a ride to the autisigner.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
I was in the car. I never got off the car,
all right.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
You stayed with the disabled vehicle? And did Garcia come
back and do something to the car?

Speaker 4 (40:16):
How you fixed it and.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
It was able to be operated after that?

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Did y'all follow dan mark hell at all during this
second trip?

Speaker 5 (40:28):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Where did you follow him this time?

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Follow him to the daycare and to the gym?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Was there a reason that the murder had to get
done on the day it did?

Speaker 4 (40:41):
It was just the right thing, the right opportunity, I guess.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Okay, did you have any information that the victim was
going to be leaving town the day after the homicide occurred?

Speaker 8 (40:53):
So, yeah, Georgia had some issue with leading.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
Someone asked about Luis Rivera's upbringing. My understanding is he
was on his own from a very early age. I
want to say, eight or thirteen, something like that, so
you can see those kind of people are susceptible to
Latin king gangs something things like that. I don't know

(41:24):
if he has any brothers or sisters.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Is the answer? Struck?

Speaker 5 (41:33):
Struck?

Speaker 4 (41:36):
All right?

Speaker 2 (41:36):
So how did you find out that the victim was
leaving town the following day?

Speaker 4 (41:45):
I can't remember that good?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Was it from a blog?

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Your honor?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
It's not leading? Your honor? Oh?

Speaker 7 (41:54):
Rule?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Was it from a blog? Okay? What blog was that?

Speaker 4 (42:00):
The blog was Wendy?

Speaker 10 (42:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I was I was saying from the computer? Did you
read no? No? No?

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (42:07):
So somebody gave you the information?

Speaker 4 (42:10):
A person? Person?

Speaker 2 (42:12):
And how did you actually talk to the person.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Who talked to the person Garcia?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Garcia talked to the person. Okay, So Garcia got the
information from Katie. And do we know where Katie got
it from?

Speaker 4 (42:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Okay, were you present when Garcia talked to Katie and
found out we got.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
To do it today?

Speaker 8 (42:36):
Should we have a little listen to that again. The
blog was Wendy, this is a meme I think I started.
I thought it was so funny. Did you hear it
from a blog? The blog was Wendy.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
I was in the car. I never got off the car,
all right?

Speaker 2 (42:55):
You stayed with the disabled vehicle? And did Garcia had
come back and do something to the car? How you
fixed it and it was able to be operated after that?

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Did y'all follow dan mark hell at all during this
second trip? Where did you follow him this time?

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Follow him to the daycare and to the gym?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Was there a reason that the murder had to get
done on the day it did?

Speaker 4 (43:27):
It was just the right thing, the right opportunity, I guess.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Okay, did you have any information that the victim was
going to be leaving town the day after the homicide occurred? Say?
Is the answer? Struck?

Speaker 5 (43:47):
Struck?

Speaker 4 (43:49):
All right?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
So how did you find out that the victim was
leaving town the following day?

Speaker 4 (43:59):
I can't remember that good?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Was it from a blog? It's not leading your honor?
Ru Was it from a blog? Okay? What blog was that?

Speaker 4 (44:13):
The blog was Wendy.

Speaker 8 (44:15):
No, I was saying from the computer I should be
screaming about Tim representing someone representing a snitch, a jail
house snitch. He's going to back up Donna. I mean,
it's just that's what I've been saying about Tim Jensen
and defense and lawyers in general. A lot of them,

(44:43):
you know, have personality disorders, a lot of them very dark.
They don't have strong feelings. They don't mind supporting killers,
as do a lot of these you know, a lot
of these YouTube channels. I just think I've done not
surprised by it. I think it's very curious. You know,

(45:06):
when he came out with this, Donna was offered a deal.
You know, I reported on it because I mean, it
would be stupid not to. I played, I said, I
don't know if this is true or not. I put
it with a question mark, Donna offered a deal. Question
mark is this true? Because I know better than to
take Tim Jansen's word for it, but certainly supports a narrative.

(45:29):
This is a kind of narrative that lawyers build, like
they were offered full immunity, you know, to turn, and
they wouldn't when they want to create an innocence narrative.
Do you know Jesse Smolette, by the way, has a
Netflix quote unquote innocence fraud documentary coming out about him

(45:52):
on Netflix. I mean to the rest of the trashy stuff,
that ninety nine point nine percent of the trashy true
crime stuff they have on Netflix, you know, murderoust apologist
stuff they're gonna put out Jesse Smolett. I mean, the
guys have already talked. I mean, they're gonna try to

(46:14):
make it look like a mystery. When is this stuff
gonna end in true crime? This just ridiculous alternate narratives
that are just nonsense. So yeah, not surprised. Not surprised.
He's always been say if he's not. I called him

(46:34):
out earlier for for putting out the idea, arguing until
he was blue in the face that Wendy wasn't involved.
So what, she just ran by the crime scene by
accident an hour later. She just happened to have an
owl shirt on. She just happened to Strangely, Luis Riveran

(46:56):
Sigfredo Garcia knew the habits of Dan marcl Well. Tell
me how Donna's going to know that in Miami. She
wouldn't She wouldn't know he was going to the gym.
The only one who knew that was Wendy, So spare me.

(47:17):
Is it enough to convict her? It may not be
enough to ever indict her in this case. I wish
they would just try anyway, even if they lost, just
to try. But who knows what's going to happen after
Donna's case. Wendy may just walk, And that may be

(47:39):
the irony of this whole story. Everyone else goes down
for a crime that was done and the person walks
who benefited the most, the crime that was done for Wendy,
and Wendy walks the person that benefits the most. That
may be it. But I'm very critical of, uh, you know,

(48:02):
the whole true crime genre right now, the way that
through crime is being reported, that ghost victims, that makes
apologies for murderers, that pushes conspiracies, conspiracy narratives, and things
that are just totally untrue. And unfortunately, what it's done

(48:26):
is it has brainwashed generations and generations of future jurors.
So we're getting these crazy not guilty verdicts in these
cases in some cases, so there's so much money in
it and the jurors. You know, I just heard about it,

(48:47):
juror looking to make money from sitting on a jury
in a high profile case.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Okay, so somebody gave you the information a person, And
how did did you actually talk to the person who
talked to the person?

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Garcia?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Garcia talked to the person. Okay, So Garcia got the
information from Katie. And do we know where Katie got
it from?

Speaker 4 (49:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Okay, were you present when Garcia talked to Katie and
found out we got to do it today?

Speaker 4 (49:23):
He was on the phone. I'm sorry, that was on
a phone speaking.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
He was talking to Katie on the phone, and you
were present for that? Who was driving the green Prius
on like whenever you were following mister Markel right.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Before the murder?

Speaker 8 (49:42):
Me, but she may not walk, she may it indicted.
Do you know something? I don't that'd be I'm not
a I'm not a psychic. I don't know. I don't
know the way this is going to go.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (49:57):
People have been predicting that she's gonna get arrested, you know,
every two weeks practically Christmas here or there after she testifies.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (50:12):
Is that it.

Speaker 8 (50:17):
Georgia. There has been rumors that Georgia has more evidence
that she's holding back. Who knows? Certainly, Sarah yuse that
testimony helps has to help the state.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Did you go to I think you said the daycare?
Where else did you go that day? Have you seen
the video surveillance from the gym in this case, I've
seen it now, Yeah, where the green prius is at
the gym? And is that you driving that? Okay? Is

(50:52):
Garcia in the vehicle as well?

Speaker 4 (50:54):
All right?

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Did you know whether or not the kids were in
the car at the time you were at the gym?

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Now, he dropped them off. I seen them when he
dropped them off in the daycare.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
So you actually saw the kids go into the daycare.
So was it after the daycare that you proceed to
the gym?

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
And what about after that?

Speaker 4 (51:21):
All right?

Speaker 2 (51:21):
So did you wait in the car while the victim
went into the gym and worked out? And did y'all
know at that time like we're going to do it
when he comes out of the gym or not necessarily?
So you're just following him to see.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Where he goes, where he goes, and where did he
go to?

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Did you see the bus video that shows the prius
shortly before and shortly after the hone? And was that
Were you driving the vehicle at that time?

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Tell us what happened when you got to mister Martell's driveway?

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Well, he had he had turned to uh, yeah, he
turned the block before we kept going, so we went
in front of his house.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
So when he pulled in, we pulled them right behind.
I pulled them right behind him, is.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
What you're describing. You entered his street from two different directions, yes,
all right, and and you met at his did you
meet at his driveway? Okay, so you're pulling behind him?
What happens next?

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Christ He had jumped out and shouting how many times? Twice?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Where was he standing when he fired the shots.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Right right in front of the driver's side, right by
the driver.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Did you see what the victim did during this attack?

Speaker 4 (52:41):
He put his hands up?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
How was it decided that mister Garcia would end up
being the shooter instead of the original plan, which was
for you to.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Do it when I was driving, I ain't had no time.
He jumped out and did it. He had the gun
the whole.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Time, all right, So either one of you were willing
to do it when whoever wasn't driving when the opportunity.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Arose, maybe, but it was. It was really his job,
so he took he did, he did it?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
You mean Hewby? Was it his job?

Speaker 4 (53:12):
He's the only that was getting paid. But he knew
about the all day.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Well you were getting paid to right, But he secured
the job, ma'am. The bus video that we looked at,
one of them shows the passenger side, someone in a
white shirt moving around a lot right after the homicide.
Can you explain to the jury what was going on

(53:36):
in the car at that time?

Speaker 4 (53:37):
He was trying to hide the gun and that's Garcia. Garcia?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Where did he put the gun?

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Ran on the front arm and the passenger side right
onto the road? Okay?

Speaker 2 (53:47):
What ultimately happened with the gun? Where in the river
on the way back to South Florida? Is that where
you all went when you left Tallahassee? When did you
turn your cell phones back on?

Speaker 4 (54:07):
And we turn on right thing?

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Right away?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I think after leaving Tallahassee.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Yeah, I remember, I really don't remember, but it got turned.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
On sometime after the murder. That got turned back one. Okay,
do you remember what who made the first phone call
out of the two of you.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
I didn't make no phone call he did.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Who did he call?

Speaker 4 (54:27):
I think he called Katie? What do you call Katie?
He called Katie? He called Katie?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
He called Katie? And were you able to hear the
conversation with kam And what was that conversation?

Speaker 4 (54:39):
He told everything that's done, like I know, and you
know w the money?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Okay, let me back up just a little bit happen?
But she knows done.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
I think she she got a phone call right away
before we did, all.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Right, but somehow she indicated she knew.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Yes, all right?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
And what and you asked about the money? Did you
personally ask about the money or was that Garcia Arsia?
What did you say about the money?

Speaker 4 (55:02):
You'll get it tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Did you get it tomorrow?

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
On the way back from Tallahassee to Miami, did you
stop in Pembroke Pines at an ATM machine?

Speaker 4 (55:17):
No way back? Yeah, I know we stopped.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I'll show you State's thirty nine five, You.

Speaker 8 (55:30):
Know the ATM machine where you got caught on camera
with yeah, turning their cell phones off. That's something Amanda
Knox and RAPHAELI solect you did that they never did
before e. Strangely never did again turn their cells phones
off in Unison before the murder of Meredith Kirscher, then

(55:52):
turned them on together next morning together.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Have you seen in these before?

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Yeah? Let me see it. I see?

Speaker 2 (56:11):
And are these eight appear to be ATM images?

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
And what's the date on the atmage four twenty twenty four?
I mean fourteen, sorry, the day of the murder? Right, yes,
ma'm okay? Is this the Green Prius the chal Can end?

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Yes, ma'am?

Speaker 10 (56:29):
All right?

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Are these fair and accurate photographs of you in the
in the Green Priests on the day of the homicide? Ma'am?
Permission to introduce and publish States thirty nine.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Three objection.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Mission published? Right?

Speaker 6 (56:57):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Mm hm he publishing State's.

Speaker 16 (57:36):
Thirty nine forty please forty one?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Please make that bigger?

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Please?

Speaker 17 (57:59):
Hm hm.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Who's pictured in this exhibit? Mister River? And Garcia's who's
that in the foreground closer to the camera?

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Driver?

Speaker 4 (58:12):
For please?

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Who's that in the passenger seat?

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Mm hm.

Speaker 16 (58:45):
H m hm did you?

Speaker 8 (58:48):
And the whole way they put this this case together,
They got cameras from buses, they got they tracked them
all the way down and back. It's crazy, unreal. The
FBI did a fantastic job on this case.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Rido Garcia, go out that night when you got back
to Miami, Yes, ma'am. Do you remember where you went went?

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Then? We went to a boar.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Was Katherine macbane all with you that night?

Speaker 4 (59:21):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Do you know where she went that night?

Speaker 12 (59:25):
No?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
All right.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
The next morning, is that when you saw her? Again?

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Ma'am?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
All right, tell us what happened the next morning.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
The next morning I woke up, I went to the barbershop,
and she went to my house and took the money.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
She had the money at your house. Did you go
home and get it?

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Did you go home with some purpose?

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Purpose to pake that money up?

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah? Why were you? Were you worried about money?

Speaker 4 (59:53):
I was my baby, I'm not taking it.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
You were worried about your baby mama taking it? Is
that Jessica the woman saw it. So if she's seen
that money, she would.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Have seen it. She would have bought it to she Never.

Speaker 8 (01:00:07):
I mean, do you talk about don't trust anyone. You're
going down with a gun because you think your your
best friend since childhood's going to kill you over the money.
I think that you're the mother. Your child's gonna take it.
He trusts no one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
How much money was in there?

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Thirty seven thirty five thirty five thirty five thirty five thousand,
and what was how was a package?

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
All huntred stables all one hundred dollars bills?

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
And what do you mean by staples?

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
There were all stables a thousand dollars each, thousand dot
of stable in the top corner.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
All right, so you got thirty five thousand. I think
you previously said you got thirty seven. Where did the
other two come from?

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Christ? I gave you to me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Why did he do that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Sa?

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
So he just gave you two additional stacks out of
his cut. Do you know how much he got versus
how much?

Speaker 16 (01:01:04):
Okay he got?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
No not remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
But it added up to one hundred Is that what
your previously? Did you buy anything with your cut of
the money?

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Just a motorcycle?

Speaker 8 (01:01:36):
What's the price of a motorcycle?

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
By the way, approach you with states forty.

Speaker 8 (01:01:42):
And a little hard to ride it when you're in
jail for prison?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Is that a picture of the motorcycle? You bought with
the murder money, Garcias, that's Garcias. What about forty seven?

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
Is that your cycle there?

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Okay, and this is Garcias.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
And then what about this money Carlo in the background,
did y'all buy that too, Sarcias? Did he buy that
with the murder money or after the murder?

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Shortly after the murder?

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Are these fair and accurate photos of those vehicles?

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
Judge?

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
At this time I asked to move in evidence states.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Forty six and.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
Objection state's forty six and forty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
I published forty six your own right and forty seven please? Yeah?
Did you make any changes to your cell phone after

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the murder? Do you remember did you meet with investigator
Jason Newlan with my office to look at this well, Marcus,
State sixty three, this exhibit regarding the calls in this case?

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And do these initials next to these calls indicate that
you've authenticated the voices that are highlighted?

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Yes, ma'am, Juich, I'd asked to move into.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
Evidence state sixty, Stay sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
So you were able to recognize the voices of Catherine
Magbanua and Secreto Grocia on those call.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Those recordings, Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Have you ever had any kind of contact with any
member of the Adolsen family.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
No, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
During the time that Katherine macbanall was dating the dentist,
were you around her during that time?

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
I mean asking a few times, okay?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
And what was the context of like what was the
occasion that you would see her if she was with the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Dentist, not with him, but I know when she come
near for Garcia.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Okay, So if she was doing something related to.

Speaker 8 (01:04:28):
The kids or something when she was looking for Garcia,
saw Katie, Uh, Marina, I can help you out.

Speaker 16 (01:04:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:04:38):
We think this is a real invitation. So this is
the top of it. But she did buy bullet bourbon.
So they asked to buy bullet bourbon. Please bring bullet

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bourbon or your favorite spirit, which never made sense to
me because I would think that you would have this
is a stock the bar party invite that you would
have a zillion bottles of bullet bourbon and that's all
that you would be serving at your party.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
But here is.

Speaker 8 (01:05:20):
She bought bullet rye whiskey. Is that what bourbon is?

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:05:25):
I think it's different. I think there's bullet bourbon and
bullet rye whiskey, So she bought whiskey, and I love
how Charlie Edelson says she doesn't drink, and Jeffrey Lakas
said she drinks her dinner most nights, So the chick
doesn't drink. This is Charlie Edelson, after being convicted, convincing

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his mom that Wendy driving by the crime scene? Why
did she do it? Meaning it wasn't part of the plan,
she couldn't help herself. You're so angry with Wendy. He's
also angry at his mom for so much TV talk,
But he's also says, you know, she just drove by

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the crime scene because she didn't know the way and
she didn't drink, and that was the only way she
knew how to get there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
During the times that you saw her while she was
dating the dentist, did she ever brag to you about
the dentist at all? Did she ever tell you the
dentist has a lot of money. The dentist has a
safe full of cash in his home. So do you

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even know who the dentist is? I mean, do you
know who he is?

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Life and today?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Okay, well, the dentists lawyers have indicated that you and
Garcia got this idea on your own to come to
Tallahasse to kill the professor. Is that true? No one?
Did you kill him and then try to get Katie

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to blackmail the dentist?

Speaker 12 (01:07:11):
No? H.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
When you suggested to Secreter Garcia on the way up
that it would be easier to just do a robbery,
would it have been easier to rob the dentist back
in Miami than to come up here to do a murder?

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
I never said nothing about him because I don't know him,
but I said, let's go rob the lady right that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
If you had known that it was actually the dentist
that had the money, would you have been just as
happy to rob the dentist.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Would that have been less trouble than coming to Tallahassee
to do a murder?

Speaker 8 (01:07:54):
Yes'm he's a great witness, I mean, a believable witness.
You don't have to believe everything he says, but on
the key issues he's believable, more so than Charlie Aedelson

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and Charlie Aedelson. This is what the Adelson family does
not understand. Why would the jury believe these kind of
low lifes like Luis Rivera and Katie mcbanua. When we
have the Adolson family, me a periodontis me Donna Adelson,

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me a domestic coordinator. They don't believe me ME an
old lady, but grandmother. They don't believe a grandmother. They
don't get that. They think that everyone should believe this
is part of the idea of the planning to use
poor people and poor people who they wouldn't believe should

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they talk, and to use sort of nervous, twitchy people
like Jeffrey lacass as the ball guy. I really think
that that was Wendy's got off on the idea of
Jeffrey lecass being pulled away like a madman and being
falsely tried for this crime if it even got that far,
at least falsely accused, and he was accused. He was

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interviewed as a suspect in this case.

Speaker 16 (01:09:43):
Real questions.

Speaker 8 (01:09:54):
So do we want to watch the Cross or not?
There's one interesting part of the Cross where Rashbam gets
him to admit that it might have happened, that this
extortion might have happened by Katie. It's the best they
did in the whole trial. Or should we end it
here doom doom, doom, doo doo doo doo doo. Sure

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Tater's up for it. It's short. I believe it's short.
My memory of it is short. Well, then one second,
let me move on to the because I think it
happens the next day, the next day. But okay, so

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here we go. We have the I love that the
Victorian child baby portrait. Portrait of a Victorian standing here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
He is.

Speaker 8 (01:11:08):
The maestro.

Speaker 13 (01:11:14):
Kay, good morning, members of the jury. I hope you
had a RESTful weekend. We are going to pick back
up where we left off on Friday with the examination

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of mister Rivera. Mister Rashbaum, you may cross examined when
you're ready.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
Before we get into your testimony, I want to clarify
one thing. You didn't extort Charlie Edelson, Right, what Rodiger?
Are you having problems still hearing?

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
All right?

Speaker 13 (01:12:10):
If you can assist him, mister Rivera, make sure you
speak as loudly as you cant.

Speaker 16 (01:12:16):
So.

Speaker 8 (01:12:20):
I thought they were going to fix rash baumbs. Mike
is really low. Sorry, it's rash Bomb. Smike is really
low in this. My apologies.

Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
No, you were paid thirty seven thousand dollars in your
role in the murder of Professor Markel.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
Yes, you were supposed to be paid thirty five thousand dollars. Yes,
Credo Garcia the shooter gave you an extra two thousand, right. Yes,
your understanding was that the total payment was one hundred
thousand dollars correct, Yes, and then it was a one
time payment, yes, sir. And you were told that you, Secredo,

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and Katie were hired by a lady to do a
murder for hire, right, No, if I was told about it, Lada, No,
I'm sorry. Let me slow down. You were told by
Sigfredo that all of you were hired by a lady
to do the murder, right, yeah, that you were doing

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it so that she could get her kids back.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:13:24):
And all of your information came from Sigfredo Garcia and
Katie correct. Yes, okay, And all of sik Credo's information,
to your knowledge, came from Katie, right, Yes, sir. Everything
you knew about the murder plot came from Secredo.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
According to you, Katie was the mastermind, yes, sir. She
was the one, as you've said, running the shots, yes, sir.

Speaker 8 (01:13:51):
Anything that, oh, Katie's the mastermind. I mean, Charlie's the maestro.
Katie's just following telling them what to do. She's the
middle woman. I think if he thought about that question
a little bit more. But he's just there to testify
and get off the stand as quickly as he can.
I mean, that's why I will answer questions like, yeah,

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the blog was wee.

Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
Day Sigfredo, or you did in connection with the murder?
How to be cleared through Katie? Correct, Yes, sir, And
Sigfredo and Katie lied to you about a lot of
things about this murder, right, not about what well, let's
go through it for starters. During the first trip in
early June, Sigfredo told you that you were going to

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do a robbery, right, yes, sir. Not until on the
way up did you find out that you were going
to do a murder, Yes, sir. Before the July trip
you didn't want to go right, yes, sir. And to
convince you, Sigfredo again told you that you were just
going there to scope things out, Yes, sir. During this

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second trip, the day before the murder, you drove by
Professor Markel's house. Do you recall that, yes, sir, and
you testified that at some point after you arrived at
Markel's house after noon on the seventeenth, you saw a
woman and two kids walking on Truscott by the house,
y right, and the woman looked at you as the

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priest passed and immediately got on her phone. Yes, sir,
you testified that you asked Sigfredo, what was up with
the lady? Do you recall that, yes, sir, and Sigfredo
responded that that's her, that's the guy's wife, that's the
one that wants the kids back. Yes, sir, you asked
sik Fredo what the lady was doing there on Truscott

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with the kids, Yes, sir, and sig Freda responded that
she came there to make sure that everything was all right,
absolutely meaning all right with the plan.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:15:55):
As you sit here now, you're aware that the woman
and the kids on the street was not the same lady. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
I don't know that was her or not, but she
looked in my car.

Speaker 6 (01:16:04):
It's possible that Sigfredo lied to you, right, who knows
another lie that Sigfredo and uh, that was it? Sorry,
strike that you're honor. Your understanding is that the money
for the murder would be paid by the lady, right, Yes, sir, Again,

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your understanding came from Secredo. Yes, sir, you didn't go
with Katie to get the money, right. No, so you
don't know where she got it from.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
Nope.

Speaker 6 (01:16:38):
And you don't know what happened when she got it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
Nope.

Speaker 6 (01:16:42):
Secreto never told you that he and Katy got more
than one hundred thousand dollars a night of the murder,
did he?

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Nope?

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
That would make sense why you got an extra two thousand.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
Right, maybe?

Speaker 6 (01:16:53):
And Katie never told you that they got more than
one hundred thousand dollars the night of the murder.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Right, Nope.

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
Sigfredo never told you that he and Katie were getting
paid every month after the murder.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Right, never knew nothing about that.

Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
You didn't know that they were getting paid three thousand
dollars a month. No, you didn't know that they were
getting paid one thousand dollars in Adelson Institute checks, did you?

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Nope?

Speaker 8 (01:17:22):
But you that'd be it's at one thirty tomorrow. If
it's if they're broadcasting it. If it's not about the investigation,
that's all been stealed to the public. I'll be there.

Speaker 16 (01:17:35):
I mean, I.

Speaker 8 (01:17:38):
If it's not public, I won't broadcast it if they're
not broadcasting. If they're not, hopefully someone will be able
to go locally and tell us about it. But if
it's going to be broadcasted, I'll be playing it on
my channel at one thirty.

Speaker 6 (01:17:56):
You saw that Sigfredo was spending a lot of money, right, Yes,
you saw that. Sig Fredo even told you that he
had paid for Katie's breast augmentation surgery. Right for breast surgery.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
Yeah, I know what you're saying. And if you told
me about that, yeah, yeah, he.

Speaker 6 (01:18:12):
Told you he paid for it, right, that's what he said.
You didn't know that Katie was getting money from Charlie
Aedelson every month in an extortion plot, did you No?
In May of twenty fifteen, you get arrested on a
federal rico case, right, yes, sir? And you were detained, yes, sir,

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And you wanted to get out of prison, right, you
want to get a bail?

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:18:42):
You started thinking about the fact that Katie and Sigfredo
seem to be spending a lot of money, right Nope. OK,
So let's briefly recap all the lies that they told you,
not that you made, but that they told you. They
lied to you about the purpose of the trip going

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to Tallahassee, right. Yeah, they lied to you about who
the lady was on the street. Yeah, they lied to
you about the amount of money they received.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:19:16):
I'm no fan of Dan Rashbaund, but this is about
as good as a cross as you can do with
Luis Rivera. I mean, this is the best he did
in the whole trial. I felt.

Speaker 6 (01:19:29):
To you about getting money every month.

Speaker 8 (01:19:34):
It certainly wasn't in his crap opening puzzle pieces. Opening
Dan Markel was a brilliant legal mind. Pause. I mean,
just all that fake, fake emotion and sadness over Dan

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Markell's death that would just really came off is insincere
and like you're trying to manipulate the jury's emotions.

Speaker 6 (01:20:06):
Isn't it possible that they lied to you about the
purpose of the job to begin.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
With, They don't even got the money where they want
to get the money from.

Speaker 6 (01:20:15):
Isn't it possible that you thought it was a murder
for hire but it was really an extortion. That's option too,
who Charlie Edelson, not from you but from them? Is
it possible.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:20:27):
See, that's the best he did. I mean, that's the
best answer, one of the better ones he got. And
the lying is good, like well maybe maybe he could
get one juror to think maybe. But he makes a
good point. They had they went down with five thousand dollars.
They did not have five thousand dollars. You listen to
the calls and they get played in this trial, believe

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between Katie and sig Fredo, sick Fredo is Broke's talking
about can you pay this bill? I'm negative, that's my
memory of it. Just just asking for pennies, dollars here,
dollars there, to just get by.

Speaker 6 (01:21:09):
By the way, on Friday, you testified that you just
wanted to rob the lady, right, yes, sir, But Siegfredo
was adamant, we can't rob the lady. We gotta do
the murder, yes, sir. Isn't that because he wanted to
keep on getting money every month? I don't know, but

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you would have just robbed him, right, Yep. Would have
been a lot easier, right, real quick. Would have been
a one time payment, right, and.

Speaker 12 (01:21:36):
That it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:40):
Couldn't have gotten paid over time though, right, I don't
know well, if you rob someone, it's hard to keep
robbing him over and over and over.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Absolutely, of course.

Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
All right, So I want to back up a little bit,
and I thank you for your honesty. Then you've never
met Charlie Aedelson. Correct, you've never seen him before this case.

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You've never spoken to him by phone, never, and you've
never communicated with him in any way never. You've never
met Donna or Harvey Adelson.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Nobody.

Speaker 6 (01:22:27):
You never spoken to them by phone.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
I didn't mean nobody, And the same goes with Wendy Aedelson, correct, nobody.

Speaker 6 (01:22:35):
You know sig Fredo your whole life, yes, sir, you're
like brothers. Yes, sir, you've known Katie since she and
sig Fredo started dating when they were teenagers. Yes, you
considered them to be married, Yes, sir, See Credo was
deeply in love with Katie, right. Absolutely, he would do
as you've said anything for her, right anything. He was,

(01:22:58):
as you said, blind over her, right, Yes, sir, Katie
treated him badly. Yes, she messed up his head, as
you've said, right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
At some point you learned from Secredo that Katie was
having a relationship with someone she worked with, right, Yes, Sir,
Secreto told you that Katie was cheating on him with
someone called the dentist. Yes, sir, According to what Secreto
told you, Katie was sleeping with the dentist at the

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same time she was sleeping with Secreto, right, yes, sir.
So Secreto knew that Katie was cheating on him, Yes, sir,
and he wasn't too happy about it, right Nope, Secreto.

Speaker 8 (01:23:45):
Well, for in Katie's defense, we know that Charlie is
not a dynamo in the sack. Does I think Fuddy
remember this SETI ddy remember this review of his k
of his abilities in bed? Let me see if I

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can pull it up. Hold, I'm pretty sure I have.
Did I just oh no, hereyk oh no, you like
you just put it in and just kind of go
to town and talk about yourself. That that' says Charlie Adel.
The review of Charlie Adel said him dead just kind

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of put it in and talk about yourself and get.

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
A dad told you that the dentist had money. Let
me rephrase, sik Credo told you that Katie told him
the person she was with was rich. Well, he told
you that Katie would flaunt and show off to sik
Credo that the person she was dating with had money.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
Right, Oh, thank so.

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
See Creator was devastated when he learned about Katie's new relationship.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Yeah, anybody will, right, I agree?

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
See Creato started drinking too much every day, he started
doing drugs. Yes, sir, he was acting crazy and unstable.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Yes, sir, he.

Speaker 6 (01:25:08):
Couldn't keep a job. In fact, you had to fire
him from a job. Help get him fired from a job, right, yes, sir,
because he was drinking even while at work. Yes, sir,
and he was fighting a lot, yes, sir. Kittie told
Sigfredo that she would only take him back if if

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she did this job, if he did this job for her, right.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
Now, before sig Creedo was fired from his job, I
want to take you to March fourteenth of twenty fourteen. Okay,
I'll refresh your memory about it. There was a day
when you were driving home from work and Si Credo
was driving you and he took a detour to a

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restaurant on Miami Beach. Do you remember that, yes, sir,
And you and Fredo were in Sigfredo's truck, a Dodge Ram.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Yes, sick.

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
Fredo had been drinking every day and you were supposed
to be headed home, but Sigfredo drove you to the restaurant.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:26:14):
You parked near the restaurant and you could see people
sitting at tables eating outside. Do you recall that, yes, sir.
And one of those people eating at the restaurant was Katie.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
She was with three other people.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
Can remember that?

Speaker 6 (01:26:28):
Do you remember? They were all white?

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
I remember? Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
Sigfredo pointed Katie out to you and said that one
of the people there was the dentist. Do you recall that?
And while you were sitting in six Freedo's truck watching
Katie and the dentist, sik Fredo told you he was
going to run him over when they got.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
Up, right, yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:26:51):
And what did you tell him in response?

Speaker 16 (01:26:53):
I do it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
I'm gonna get off the truck.

Speaker 6 (01:26:55):
But he was serious, Yes, sir, that's what he was like, right.
He was angry.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
He was a good man. Did anybody get angry if
your wife is doing another man?

Speaker 6 (01:27:10):
He was angry. He wanted to hurt the dentist, right, yeah,
But you were aware that he actually did try to
run him off the road. A couple months later in
July one, twenty fourteen. Did he ever tell you about
that incident with a jet ski No.

Speaker 8 (01:27:36):
I doubt this story. I think this is something that
Charlie and Katie cooked up to give a reason as
to why Sigfredo called Harvey Aedelson. Clearly, by the tape
from the Japanese restaurant, that Harvey Edelson knew about this
was not left in the dark. And I think something

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I think Sekcredo impulsively called Harvey he was angry about something.
Don't think we'll ever know the full story of this,
but they tell it both very different ways. Doesn't mean
it's untrue. I may be wrong. I just question it,
and I know other people in my audience do too.

Speaker 6 (01:28:29):
You have one moment you're on here. Let me take

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you a little bit back to the first trip. Okay,
first trip to Tallahassee. Secreto came to your house and
said he had a job in Tallahassee and asked you
to go with him.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
Right, yeah, Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
He told you that if you took a ride with
him that he would give you around thirty five thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
I remember.

Speaker 6 (01:29:16):
He didn't initially tell you what the job was.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:29:19):
Nope, he rented the car and he picked you up, right, yes, sir.
At some point during the trip he told you that
it was not going to be for a robbery, but
for a murder, right, yes, sir. He told you that

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they were going to kill someone because there was a
lady who wanted to custody her kids back right, Yes, sir.
You didn't know anything about the person that you were
you and s Cecreedo were supposed to kill, right, none
of these people. The only thing you saw was a
piece of paper that SECRETO had with the foot to
an address on it, right, yes, sir. And the photo

(01:30:03):
looked like a headshot, right like from chest up, Yes, sir,
something you would get off the internet.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
I doubt that. But where we got it from? You
got it?

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
Your understanding was that Katie gives the creator that piece
of paper, right.

Speaker 5 (01:30:20):
Maybe.

Speaker 8 (01:30:22):
Maybe he's like, I don't think. I don't think my man,
who's drunk and losing jobs and out of his mind,
was cruising the internet looking for pictures of Dan Marcel.
And I don't think Katie was either. I think that
that came strictly from the dentists. And where would she
get his schedule? Know he's working out from curious what

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the jurors talked about it. They had to talk about that.
They had to be wondering, why is Wendy coming in
here testifying? Why isn't she Why is she the only
one not in jail scrubs this case? I mean besides Charlie.
You know essentially you know, going back to jail or

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prison after this. Are you wondering because the only way
they could get the schedule is from Wendy? You think
Donna knows that knows these intimate details. He's going to
drop off the kids and then go to the gym. Really,
it's not writing about it on Proft's blog his gym

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schedule or his kids schedule.

Speaker 6 (01:31:42):
UNC Creator left for Tallahassee after midnight on June fourth,
which was a Wednesday, Right, I remember, fair enough, I
wouldn't remember either nine years ago. Well, the next day,
after your arrived, you got to Professor Markel's house early

(01:32:05):
in the morning and waited for him to come out, right, yes, sir,
And you saw him leaving the house with two kids,
and you followed him to the daycare. Right, this is
the first drive, first first drive, yeah, yeah, and then
you lost him, right, Yes, sir, and Sik Credo wanted
to go back to Professor Markel's house, right, and you refused.

(01:32:30):
You didn't want to go back. I remember you told
Sik Credo you didn't want to kill a man who
were two kids.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Oh, absolutely, I'm not gonna do it in front of
the kids.

Speaker 6 (01:32:40):
So you headed back to Miami. Yeah, and that's when
you suggested doing a robbery of the lady rather than
killing the guy. Absolutely.

Speaker 8 (01:32:55):
That's crazy though that the aglesense never said don't do
it in front of the kids. It had to be
the gang member to say, don't do it in front
of the kids. Oh imagine us. They're already scarred for life,
missing their dad for the rest of their life. It
doesn't go away. These wounds don't heal. Aedelson family had

(01:33:23):
no such directions.

Speaker 6 (01:33:24):
Credo said, had to be a murder and he didn't
want to rob her, right, Yeah, And that was odd
to you, Yes, sir, As you previously have said, you
assume there was quote more to it, but you never
asked the Credo, right as when Katie learned that the

(01:33:49):
murder didn't happen on the first trip, she was upset, right,
probably now let's fast forward to July sixteen to eighteen,
and I'm not good with dates either. Okay. A month
or so after the first trip, Sigfredo came to you
and said that they.

Speaker 12 (01:34:08):
Had to go.

Speaker 6 (01:34:08):
You had to go back to Tallahassee. Right, Yeah. He
told you that he needed you to go back because
he needed the money. Right, yes, sir, You told sig
Freedo that you didn't want to go, Yes, sir, So
he lied to you and told you we're not going
to do a murder. We're just gonna do a lookout.
We're just going to watch the guy. That's what he

(01:34:29):
told you at first, right. Yeah, the first time you
went to Tallahassee, sig Fredo rented the car for you, right, yes, sir.
But the second time, sig Freedo told you that you
had to rent the car under your name. Yes, sir,
sie Creto, tell you why he wanted you to rent
the car under your name.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
I never asked some questions.

Speaker 6 (01:34:52):
Now, he actually gave you the cash to rent the car,
right yep? Did he tell you what color car to rent?

Speaker 12 (01:34:58):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:35:00):
Did he tell you what type of car to rt?

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
I remember.

Speaker 6 (01:35:06):
The cash he gave you was in a crumpled bunch.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
Right, shit, I don't remember, But let me ask you
this way.

Speaker 6 (01:35:13):
The cash he gave you to rent the car, it
wasn't stapled, No, I don't think so. Now you rent
the car and you head up to Tallahassee, right, yeah,
And you arrived at around one am on Thursday, July seventeenth, right.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
And I remember the time, but early morning, I don't remember.

Speaker 6 (01:35:40):
Okay, we got there, gotcha. You testified earlier that you
didn't want to kill Markel during the first trip because
he had his kids, right, yes, sir. And you told
secretor that during the first trip. Yeah, you didn't want

(01:36:00):
to do it in front of the kids.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
I believe so.

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
And we already talked a couple of times about seeing
the woman on this trip on the street. During the
second trip, correct, Now, on July eighteenth, the day of

(01:36:36):
the murder, you saw Professor Markel with his kids.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
Again, you followed them to the daycare to make sure
they were dropped.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
Off, yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
And then you went to the gym. Yes, And then
you followed him back to his house where he was murdered, right, yes, sir.
And sik Credo was a shooter. Yes, sir, he wanted
you to be the shooter, but you didn't want to
do it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
You testified that when you and Sik Freto were on
your way back to Miami, sig Creto called Katie. Yes, sir,
And are you aware that the state has call records
which put that call at twelve thirty PM?

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
I don't know the time.

Speaker 6 (01:37:26):
Will you take my word that the call records for
purposes of these questions show that that call happened at
twelve thirty? If you say something, the call wasn't that
speaker on speakerphone?

Speaker 7 (01:37:37):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:37:39):
And you were driving on the highway at the time, right, yes, sir,
But the window cracked open a bit, I remember, fair enough.
But your testimony that you were able to hear some
of the conversation correct, yes, sir. And you think you
heard sild tell Katie it's done?

Speaker 12 (01:38:02):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
I heard you heard siek Preto tell Katie it's done.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
Yes, sitting next to me, And what's that you're sitting
round next to me?

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
Understand? And you think you heard Katie respond?

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
I know, I think I heard her.

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
When you were interviewed by law enforcement, you were interviewed
by law enforcement in September of twenty sixteen. Right, that
was two years after the murder. Yes, sir, we're now
eight years after the murder. Right, Yes, your memory might
have been a little bit better then, is that fair
to say?

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:38:38):
And during that interview you told law enforcement that you
didn't hear the I know comment. Do you recall that?

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:39:04):
Nonetheless, I mean you can see the way Luis Rivera
testifies unless he knows something for absolute chor, he's not
going to testify to it. So as his memory fades
from this, you're going to get they more of the
story is going to get more vague.

Speaker 6 (01:39:24):
In order for Katie to know, she would have had
to be told by someone before twelve thirty pm. Correct. Yeah,
after Sigfredo hung up with Katie, he told you that
you would get your money tomorrow, right, Yes, sir. And

(01:39:47):
you were upset about that. Yes, you were upset because
you didn't understand why the money wasn't already secured. Absolutely,
Because when you do a murder for hire, you get
paid up front, sir. You don't get paid over time.
M hm, yep, you don't get paid after the fact. Yeah,

(01:40:08):
The whole point of a murder for hire is you
get paid, you do a killing, and then you separate. Yes,
that's the reason for that type of crime, right.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
I guess.

Speaker 6 (01:40:25):
And in fact, you told si creator that since the
job was finished, you were supposed to be paid right
there and then, isn't that what you told them?

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:40:38):
Now let's talk a little bit about the payment. You
got paid the next day, right yeah, and Katie dropped
off the money, right, yes, sir, And it was stapled, yes, sir.

(01:40:58):
And that's the first time you ever seen staple of money, right, Yes,
you had never on any of these other trips, you
had never seen staple money. Well other trips, well, the
first trip to Tallahassee, the second trip to Tallhase ever
in your life.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
Yeah, it's a first time I seen staple money.

Speaker 6 (01:41:18):
And when you got paid, Sigfredo gave you an extra
two thousand dollars, right, yes, sir. Throughout the years after

(01:41:47):
Katie and Sigfredo got.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Back together, right yeah, I was in prison already.

Speaker 6 (01:41:53):
But you saw that they had moved to a new apartment, Yeah,
that they had bought a new large TV TV. They
bought a nice TV.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Right after the mile, I was in prison.

Speaker 6 (01:42:04):
What about before you went to prison, did you see
they bought a new large TV.

Speaker 4 (01:42:07):
I mean they had they had nice stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:42:09):
They started to get some nice stuff, right, Yeah, started
to spend some money, right yeah. One last area of
questions and it'll be quick. In twenty fourteen, In twenty fifteen,

(01:42:30):
during the time of these events, you were a member
of the Latin Kings, right, yeah. And that's the crime family, right,
the family Yeah, commits crimes.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
Right, I mean every gang does.

Speaker 6 (01:42:47):
It's a game.

Speaker 4 (01:42:49):
Yeah, that's what you want to call it. I call
it a family.

Speaker 6 (01:42:52):
In fact, you were the.

Speaker 8 (01:42:55):
Said this is insistence out of it being a family.
It's like people in a cult. You know, no one
joins a cult. They join ampowerment group, they join a
I don't know, self improvement center, place to where they

(01:43:22):
learned skills. This is a family them, a family that
commits crimes. Family commits crimes together.

Speaker 6 (01:43:28):
Of the North Miami branch of the Latin Kings. Right,
May I have one moment you're on?

Speaker 8 (01:43:40):
Yeah. I think Donna's lawyers are going to make a
lot out of this. I think we're going to be
hearing about the Latin Kings again. In Donna's case trial,
I hope that they does anybody remember are they going
to be? I know they broadcast did they live stream

(01:44:03):
the jury selection? I didn't think they released that till
afterwards in Charlie's case. I know that we were watching
live on first day in Donna's case because that's when
Dan Rashbaum all that. The whole trial got shut down
because Dan Rashbaum resigned.

Speaker 17 (01:44:27):
Wildness, mister Rivera, the defense characterized a lot of things
that Garcia told you as lies.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Do you know that those things were lies? So when
he said, oh, that's the lady, she's looking at us,
do you know if he really thought it was the
lady or not it was the la He thought it
was the lady, right, all right? And how how long

(01:45:08):
after the murder did Garcia seemed to have a lot
of money? Like for years after the murder.

Speaker 4 (01:45:17):
For weeks after the murder, weeks once okay, so.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Weeks or months he was spending money like crazy, right,
but after that he was broke again. Yeah, when you
were in the car with Garcia at the restaurant where
he was talking about running the dentist over, was he

(01:45:43):
what was his what was he acting?

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
Like, I mean, his his hisself. You would never you
can never tell. But he drinks it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:53):
I think there's a lot of cold. But he was frustrated, okay.
So he was jealous, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Angry, pissed off, drunk every day, okay, and heartbroken?

Speaker 5 (01:46:05):
Right, yes, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
What about on the trips to Tallahassee? Was he was
he like that on those trips?

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
So during the trips to Tallahassee, was he talking about
the dentist?

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
No, we barely spoke, all right, So when y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
Were sitting out in front of the restaurant, he was
talking about the dentist right at that time. Yeah, and
specifically mentioning how Katie was dating the dentist and that
was upsetting him.

Speaker 5 (01:46:34):
That's all he said. He didn't mentioned him too much.
He's like, that's the dude, she's cheating me. She's cheating
on me with.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
All right, And what about on the trips to Tallahassee?
Was he going on about that on the trips? Did
he mention on the trips to Tallahassee like this has
something to do with the dentist or we got to
kill this guy because I'm trying to harm the dentist.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
No, to harm him, He never said none about him.

Speaker 6 (01:47:01):
Right, one moment is running.

Speaker 8 (01:47:15):
Charlie's got quite bad service.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
Anything to do with the Latin kings, that's really not
Were you asked to threaten anybody related to this murder?
I mean, were you ever asked to threaten the dentist
because a Latin king and he might be afraid of you?

Speaker 16 (01:47:32):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
No, I don't even know these people. The lan Kins
ain't got none to do with this promise.

Speaker 8 (01:47:42):
Jury took that seriously, promisedly that promise you that Oh
it looks like he wanted to looks like you got
angry there, look at the the eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
No, no, I don't even know these people. The land
Kins ain't got none to do with this for the
promise yet.

Speaker 8 (01:48:03):
Wow, you're that So that doesn't bode well for Donna's
defense if she's planning on using it. I'm gonna close
out this episode the way I so often do with
a victim impact letter. This one is from Dan Marquell's father, Phil,

(01:48:34):
and it was written in Charlie Aedelson's case. My name
is Phil Markel. I'm Dan Markell's father.

Speaker 6 (01:48:42):
Dan.

Speaker 8 (01:48:42):
My only son was born on October ninth, nineteen seventy two,
in Montreal, Quebec. During that time in Quebec, husbands were
not allowed to actually be in the delivery room during
a child's birth. However, since the obstetrician was a close
friend of ours, I was allowed to experience the most

(01:49:03):
amazing of moments, the birth of my son. I will
never forget the emergence of his head, then the shoulders
of an NFL football full back, a boy of ten pounds.
There I was holding in my arms, this gift of life,
my bundle of sheer joy. From the time he was

(01:49:28):
a child. My son had tremendous energy, intelligence, and great warmth.
Dan had a vibrant, fun loving personality and live life
to the fullest. Dan loved to socialize, dance, cook entertain,
and play sports, and dedicated himself wholeheartedly to everything he did.

(01:49:51):
He was always looked to do his utmost to improve
and achieve better results in every activity. This desire of
improvement and commitment to excellence was a defining characteristic of
his short life. I fondly remember taking Dan skiing up

(01:50:12):
the hills in the Laurentian Mountains when he was two
years old, he rode up the mountain between my legs
holding onto the tee bar, and then coming down the
ski hill yelling with great joy, Faster, Daddy, Faster. Then,
as he grew a little older, he played hockey at

(01:50:33):
the local parks. To improve his skating skills, he requested
to take speed skating lessons with a local coach from
Russia who had a reputation of being a very tough coach.
Dan persevered, and after every hockey lesson he came off
the ice with a red face and totally out of

(01:50:54):
breath because he always gave it us all. At about
the age of thirteen, Dan developed the idea that he
was going to go to Harvard University for his college education.
He discovered that the acceptance requirements for Harvard were not
only good grades, but also worked for the community and

(01:51:15):
charitable work. To achieve these goals, he revived his schools,
his high school newspaper, became the newspaper's editor and business manager,
and performed charitable deeds and volunteered in the community. After
years of hard work and determination, Dan was accepted to Harvard.

(01:51:38):
Dan graduated from Harvard magnumum. Lottie went on to study
at Hebrew University in Jerusalem for one year, and then
earned a Master of Philosophy and Political theory from Emmanuel
College at the University of Cambridge in England. He returned
therefore after to Harvard Law School to earn his law

(01:52:00):
degree and went on to become an extremely successful lawyer
and influential legal scholar. Dan served as a law clerk
for a federal judge, worked as an associate at a
prestigious law firm in Washington, c then secured a prestigious
teaching position at FSU College of Law. In a few

(01:52:26):
short years, Dan became a full tenured law professor before
the tender age of forty one. Dan co authored a
book and published many articles in highly regarded law reviews, journals,
and newspapers like The New York Times. Dan's work was

(01:52:46):
influential and he gave lectures and presented at universities around
the world. Although Dan was fond of his Canadian roots,
he was very dedicated to the FSU Law School. In
the Tallahassee community, he was recognized as a scholar who
contributed and made a difference in the world. While Dan's

(01:53:10):
career was important to him. While Dan's career was important
to him. Family meant everything to Dan. Dan's marriage produced
two boys, Benjamin and Lincoln, who were his absolute world
and the loves of his life. Dan arranged his entire

(01:53:33):
life around these two boys. He would arrange his teaching schedule,
travel plans, exercise activities all around his desire to spend
as much time as possible with his two boys. He
would meet them for breakfast at their preschool, sit in
the middle of a circle with Benjamin and Lincoln and

(01:53:55):
their classmates, and tell stories, read or sing songs as
they ate breakfast. Benjamin and Lincoln were his pride and
joy and meant everything to him. Dan made sure that
he and the boys came to Montreal and Toronto to
attend every family affair and visit with all the extended

(01:54:20):
Marquelle family, including grandparents, uncles, aunts, and many numerous cousins.
Despite the distance, Dan felt that the boys had to
know and be a part of the family. Dan also
made sure that he and the boys participated in the

(01:54:41):
Tallahassee community and were involved with the local synagogue and neighborhood.
Dan left home at the young age of seventeen to
go to Harvard, but when he always came home for
summer vacations, holidays, and all family functions. Danny and I,

(01:55:02):
despite the fact that we lived quite far apart, regularly
communicated by text, email and phone calls. Despite the physical distance.
As time moved on, we grew ever so much closer.
At Dan's suggestion, we would plan to talk and to
have a meal together. At the pointed day and time,

(01:55:25):
we each would repair our meals and set our table
with a tablet in the middle over Skype. We would
sit together and enjoy each other's company for a couple
of hours, despite the actual distance. Dan's life was abruptly
cut short, and he was forever taken from me, his boys,

(01:55:47):
the rest of our family, and all of his many
friends and colleagues. My life has been in total disarray
since Dan's murder. Many nights I wake up in the
middle the night in a terrible sweat with thoughts of
Dan's murder and all that has happened. There is not
a single day in my life since Danny's death that

(01:56:12):
in one way or another he does not enter in
my thoughts, and I miss him with all my heart.
I'm constantly reminded of Dan's murder and his absence. When
I meet new people, the topic of discussion always comes
up and they ask whether I have children. How do

(01:56:33):
I respond? It is difficult to put into words the
heinous acts that took Dan away from us and the
unthinkable pain that I must live with every day. Losing
a son or a daughter is something I wish nobody
should have to experience. It is not in the order

(01:56:56):
of nature. Dan is ever coming back. We continue to
hope and pray for justice and the return of normalcy
of seeing and playing a vital role in the lives
of our two grandsons, Benjamin and Lincoln. It has been
a number of years since I last wrote a victim

(01:57:18):
impact statement sharing how Danny's death has affected me. Despite
our persistent efforts, we still do not have a real
relationship with Danny's sons, Benjamin and Lincoln. Visits are very
limited and carefully controlled. For six years, we were denied

(01:57:39):
any and all visits with the boys. In the last
two years, I have been permitted to sixty to ninety
minute supervised visits with them. This limited contact is incredibly painful,
and I feel like we have been cut out of
their lives. Not only have I lost my son, but

(01:58:00):
I have effectively lost two of my grandkids as well.
Even their family names have been changed from Marcel to Aedelson.
While we worked hard to help introduce a new bill
in the state of Florida known as the Markel Act,
which gives grandparents important rights, and unfortunately, our relationship with

(01:58:25):
Benjamin and Lincoln has not been materially improved. As this
bill was coming to fruition, there was a lot of
negative publicity in the press and media about Danny's ex wife, Wendy.
In my opinion, Wendy was focused on improving her public
image and as a result extended an invitation to Benjamin's

(01:58:48):
bar Mitzvah. Ruth and I were invited to attend only
the ceremonial part of this important stage in a Jewish
boy's life, and were not invited to participate in any
reception typical of this type of celebration, but this invitation
opened the door to one of the limited visits described above.

(01:59:11):
In order to not overwhelm Benjamin and Lincoln on this
important day, we asked to arrange a meeting before the
bar mitzvah in order to make things easier on the boys,
who we hadn't been allowed to visit in years. We
were able to arrange a brief ninety minute supervise visit
with Benjamin and Lincoln a few weeks before the bar Mitzvah,

(01:59:36):
But immediately after our brief visit, Charlie was arrested and
Wendy rescinded our invitation to the bar Mitzvah. At the time,
she says that she said that they were either that
they were going to either postpone or completely cancel the
bar Mitzvah. Neither of those happened. Instead, my understand is

(02:00:00):
that the Atolsyns went on to have the bar mitzvah
ceremony and party, all without the Markel family presence and participation.
Missing out on this important moment in Benjamin's life was
incredibly painful, and after so many years without Danny, we
had hoped to make progress in foraging a consistent relationship

(02:00:24):
with his sons, but this still has many challenges. This
is the year that Benjamin turned thirteen, the age of
bar mitzvah. As yet, we have not been informed if

(02:00:45):
and when we will have a bar mitzvah, nor if
we will be invited to participate in this very important
time of Lincoln's life. I have very little hope that
we will be allowed to participate in this important life
cycle event. Dan's murder brought his life abroughly to end

(02:01:06):
for no sensible reason, and has affected a countless number
of people. The legal community is deprived of Dan's wisdom
and ideas which made the world a better place. Dance
students are deprived of the experience of having Dan as
a brilliant professor and caring mentor showing them a path.

(02:01:29):
Dance colleagues can no longer benefit from dance friendship, insights,
and scholarly discussions and debates. Ruth and I have been
deprived of our son, who was taken away from us
so suddenly and totally against life schedule. Benjamin and Lincoln

(02:01:50):
must go through life without their father, who loved them
with all his being. The boys have also been deprived
of their father's entire family after Dan's murder. We have
no idea of what these two boys know or have
been told about Danny's death. I truly believe they have
been brainwashed in all these years, from the ages of

(02:02:13):
three and four to the present day. I also have
no idea what the boys know of us. The entire
Marquelle family and history, etc. Especially how much we all
love them and how we wish they were an active
part of our family. Both Ruth and I approaching eighty

(02:02:34):
years of age at this moment. We are healthy, but
one does not know what tomorrow brings. The wheels of
justice turn very slowly, but so far they are still turning.
We are very grateful to the Tallahassee law enforcement, to
the state Attorney and all their staff, to all our

(02:02:55):
relatives and friends, including the hundreds of Danny's friends and
colleagues all over the world, for their constant support over
these long ten years. We are still waiting for Benjamin
and Lincoln to have a more normal relationship with the
Markell family as we wait in pain and anguish. The

(02:03:20):
Adelson family, in particular Charlie Aedelson, who has been a
major car cause of our heartbreak and the murder of
our son Danny and the loss of our grandsons. I
have suffered tremendously and we as a family continue to suffer.
It is satisfying to see justice being done, but it

(02:03:43):
would be appropriate to ask for the maximum sentence for
the perpetrators of Danny's murder. Bill Marcel, That's what I
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(02:04:48):
and have a great night everyone.

Speaker 18 (02:05:08):
Dana, what a stitch your head? You got it a
murder because you wanted to raise your daughter's kids.

Speaker 8 (02:05:21):
Tama has He's.

Speaker 18 (02:05:22):
Just to stop on the way to civilization in Miami
is where all the fancy people are.

Speaker 4 (02:05:33):
The TV is about five. You can't get away from that.

Speaker 5 (02:05:39):
Toutoe tato whu ho you.

Speaker 15 (02:05:42):
Know the guy you pay me?

Speaker 8 (02:05:45):
Then you can't get away from that?

Speaker 7 (02:05:48):
Oh ho?

Speaker 19 (02:05:48):
Dan?

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
What to steech your head?

Speaker 18 (02:05:52):
You thought chall was just for the little people, But
now you're so like it's with the locked up proof.

Speaker 4 (02:05:59):
You're mother is.

Speaker 18 (02:06:01):
Locked out and you'll one way ride to feed on
your blood.

Speaker 3 (02:06:18):
Gona, what a stitch your head.

Speaker 18 (02:06:24):
Your family are exiled from the social circles.

Speaker 4 (02:06:27):
You swam in.

Speaker 18 (02:06:30):
We all know you never made that banana break. You're
offer to babysit for Dan, but you'll soon be naked
in license plates and thinking.

Speaker 5 (02:06:41):
A babble could have been.

Speaker 18 (02:06:43):
Oh, Gona, you had to plan a murder.

Speaker 19 (02:07:00):
Don't the cold, let those tom under them. Don't at
the B, the PM, the down

Speaker 2 (02:08:01):
Bee

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