Donna Adelson's Defense Wants this Evidence Banned From Trial!

New filings in Donna Adelson’s case show the defense is nervous about one particular piece of evidence the State has against her. Also, the defense releases their witness list and tells us a little more about the State Snitch - Drina Zita Bernhardt’s relationship with Donna Adelson. Let’s talk about it!

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Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, how is everybody? Hello? Jana, Hello Wesley loves october Fest. Hello,
Texas Bratt, Hello deb H, Doris. Very nice to see everybody.
Hello Jane. Jane Gryston was saying the funniest thing, Please,

(02:36):
no handcuffs. She's not going anywhere. Every time I hear
that in the opening, I have how many times have
I played that opening over a hundred times? I would
think at this point, but maybe that's an exaggeration. And
it never gets any less fun to me just as
they're fleeing. So that happened. I was wrong. Just a

(02:57):
correction here, very nice listener, correct in me. I've been
saying that this was a Sunday night. It was a
Monday night, November thirteenth, twenty twenty three. And here they
are fleeing before they ever get to the grand jury

(03:23):
to indict her. And so the grand jury was going
to indict her on a Wednesday in Tallahassee. She left
on a Monday, and lo and behold, new filings were
going to go through them today. They say some curious
things from the defense, I mean, really attempting to throw

(03:44):
out just the video we just saw anything connected to
her fleeing, I mean fleeing before she got indicted. So,
I mean their point was that she was free to travel,
she didn't know there was a warrant out for arrest.
We're going to go through that filing. Also, knew evidence list,

(04:09):
excuse me, witness list from the defense. We're going to
go through it. And what they planned to show says
a little bit more about the relationship between Drina Burkhardt,
who's the government sniche so to catch everybody up. We're
talking about the murder of Dan Markel, who was a

(04:32):
Florida State University law professor who was murdered in his
driveway in two thy fourteen July, and originally the getaway driver,
Luis Rivero, cooperated with the state, made a plea deal

(04:55):
and got convicted to less time due to his cooperation.
The trigger man, Sigfredo Garcia, got given life. The middle woman,
Katie meg Banawa, was given life. Now she's cooperating, we
haven't seen any reductions in her sentence yet. I assume
they're waiting till they prosecute everyone in this case. But

(05:18):
all this was done so then we started seeing arrests
and prosecutions of the Adolson family. So Dan Markel was
married to Wendy Aedelson, also public interest lawyer, also a lawyer,
and they were in the middle of a contentious divorce,

(05:39):
and before that divorce could be finalized, he was murdered
in his driveway. And the middle woman, Katie mcbaniwa tracks back.
She's an ex girlfriend of Wendy Aedelson, Dan Markel's soon
to be ex wife Wendy Aedelson. She's an ex girlfriend

(06:02):
of Wendy Aedelson's brother, Charlie Aedelson, who was prosecuted next
got life in prison, then came the arrest. As you
saw in the opening of Charlie and Wendy's mother, Donna Adelson,
seventy five years old, isn't on trial for murder. So

(06:26):
that's where we are now. Wendy Adelson remains in Harvey Aedelson,
so Harvey Aedelson's her father. Wendy Aedelson, and Harvey Aedelson
remain unindicted co conspirators in this case. Will they ever
face prosecution, perhaps, but I wouldn't. I don't think Harvey is.
But now there's new word out of I mean, wild

(06:50):
stuff has happened since Donna Adelson has been in Leon
County jail, and we're going to go over that and
another episode. But she's been putting out hits on people
from jail, including her own oldest son, who I think

(07:11):
will be the most explosive witness against Donna Adelson, someone
who's never testified. And I don't think Charlie Aedelson's going
to testify though he is on the witness list for Donna.
I mean, she's expecting Charlie Aedelson to come and lie
for her in handcuffs from prison. Maybe, I mean maybe,

(07:36):
but I think it's going to fly as well as
it flew for him in his own trial, his own
ridiculous story of extortion. But we'll see. Maybe she'll pull
it off, maybe she'll surprise everyone and get a not
guilty verdict. Who knows. Who knows in this case how
it's going to go. But these new filings, one of

(08:00):
the people she wanted to murder was Drina Burkhart, the
government snitch back to HER's mother. So were their arrangements.
Drina Burkhard is saying she was a fellow inmate at
Leon County. Let me see if I have a Do
I still have a picture of her here? Or did
I did I remove it? Yeah? No, I saw the

(08:24):
picture of her here. So here's Drina. She says that
Donna Aedelson was offering things through Harvey Adelson, And there's
also an allegation that Donna Aedelson was avoiding being recorded

(08:45):
by using her lawyer's Apple watch and other Apple devices
in jail, by communicating with Harvey and I don't know
who else. So Harvey was wire tapped. So now that
Harvey has been wire tapped, I mean they could have
charged her with attempted murder. But why do that when

(09:08):
it's such a good example, I mean, talk about consciousness
of guilt. When you're looking to buy witnesses, you know,
fake kind of I don't know, is that a fake alibi?
What is that exactly? What's the expression favorable testimony? When
you're looking to buy favorable testimony from jail and you're

(09:29):
looking to kill people. Katie mcbanoa also on that list.
You're looking to kill people that could hurt you in
a trial. It doesn't make you look like you're innocent.
But the most hilarious filing, let's pull this up for

(09:50):
you guys, was this one from the defense. So this
is Donna's motion and lemony concerning the travel. So let
me read it to you defend it. Donna Adelson, by

(10:10):
and through her undersigned counsel, renews her August twelfth, twenty
twenty four, motion to preclude evidence of Donna Adelson's travel.
This is something that she did before, but her trial
never went Excuse me, I had to cough and it

(10:36):
was rejected. I don't think it's going to go over
better this time. So Motion to preclude Evidence of Donna
Edelson's travel as consciousness of guilt and in support thereof state.
As follows, Missus Adelson has been indicted in this case
with one count of first degree murder, one count of

(10:56):
conspiracy to commit first degree murder, and one count of
solicitation of first degree murder. On August twelve, twenty twenty four,
prior counsel filed their motion to preclude evidence of Donna
Adelson's travel as consciousness of guilt. On August thirty, twenty

(11:22):
twenty four, the court denied this motion, ruling that I
do believe this is a matter that goes to weigh
weight versus admissibility the finder of fact. The jury is
going to determine whether missus Adelson was in fact merely

(11:45):
researching a vacation or if she was in fact seeking
to avoid prosecution, or this is consciousness of guilt. I mean,
I'd say seeking I think seeking to avoid prosecution. Yes,

(12:05):
and it shows consciousness of guilt, which she researching a vacation? No,
she was only looking to vacation, she says. We know
Donna Edelson's defense is going to be from the times
that she's testified in hearings pre trial hearings that her
excuse is going to be I was just looking to

(12:26):
clear my head. I really, I just I just we
just jolly had been convicted and we just wanted to
get out of here. That's what she said. Really, it's
not for the court to exclude as it is relevant
and probative new facts and facts known but not previously argued.

(12:48):
Were the court revisiting this ruling specifically during Jason Newland's deposition?
So who is Jason Newlan? Like, just a reminder for

(13:08):
you all that how do we hold on? One second?
He's a longtime investigator for the state's Attorney's office who
was called as a defense witness in the second trial.

(13:32):
He testified about PLEA negotiations in twenty and sixteen that
led to a deal with Rivera. He gave up mcmania
as an accomplished Oh wait, wait, waitit, Oh okay. He
testified about plea negotiations with Rivera. Rivera, gave up mcmania
as an accomplice, and revealed that the gun used to

(13:54):
shoot Markel had been thrown off a bridge over an
unknown body of water. Do you think that's really I've
been thinking, do you think that's really what happened to
the gun? So curious if that was just you know,
these criminals tell a lot of lies and a lot

(14:16):
of the truth, and it's all mixed and it's hard
to tell. The defense suggested Rivera did what prosecutors hoped
he would do as part of the deal. It's not
what we had hoped. He told the truth, he said, Okay,
so that's that. Back to back to this finally, I'm sorry,

(14:45):
I've lost my place now. Okay, here we go. He
new facts, but not okay, specifically during Jason Newland's July
nineteenth So, Wendy, excuse me. Donna Edelson's lawyers deposed a
whole bunch of people. So what does that mean to

(15:07):
depose someone? So means it's you take an oath, you meet.
Sometimes they're taped recorded. Sometimes you just have a court
reporter there recording what happened, but you're asked questions as
it's like being in court. It's like testifying in court,
but it's usually done in a lawyer's office. And for

(15:31):
civil trials, it means that it's you know, you're collecting
evidence for a civil trial and criminal trial, same thing.
But these depositions can be used at trial as either
for collecting evidence for either side during a kind of

(15:52):
a discovery kind of period or or as you know,
shown to the Sometimes they're shown to the I don't
know if there Newlan admitted that prior to the warrant
for her arrest being issued, Missus Adelson was first was
free to travel and leave the country. Admitted that prior

(16:16):
to the warrant for her rest being issued. Yeah, up
until when her arrest warrant was issued, you're free to
leave the country. Yeah, what kind of winning point is that?
Help me out here, help me understand how that is
a winning point. It's like so bizarre, right, Okay, onto

(16:41):
page two. Namely, at the time Missus Adolson purchased her
ticket to Dubai and Vietnam on November seventh and traveled
to the Miami International Airport on November thirteen, twenty twenty three,
she was unaware a warrant has been issued for her
arrest and nothing prevented her from traveling. And it's really interesting.

(17:05):
It seems like she's also protecting one of her lawyers,
and we'll get into it later on in this document. Additionally,
Scott Radius testified at his okay, and we're going to
get into who Scott Radius is so this is another
person that they deposed. This is Scott Radius, who lives

(17:26):
in Vietnam. We're going to go over review some evidence
that was presented between Harvey and Scott Radius about this. Okay,
so additional about about their fleeing to be I mean
when I say this, I mean they're fleeing to Vietnam

(17:47):
and they were looking. So Scott Radius lived in Vietnam.
He's the one who tipped off the police couldn't believe it.
He's a friend of Charlie Adelson's and he was involved
in a shady so a shady deal. So why I
say shady deal a property deal in Vietnam is that
Americans are not allowed to own property in Vietnam. So

(18:12):
Scott Radius's wife is Vietnamese. So there's there's They were
basically giving the money and she officially owned it, but
Charlie Adelson secretly owned it. Okay. So he gave money

(18:32):
for this property and Harvey was nosing around looking for
it and looking for information about where to fly into
Vietnam and where to live. And we'll go over that
in a second. Scott Radius testified at his August twenty
twenty one twenty twenty four deposition that Newland told him
that there is no bench warrant for arrest, so they

(18:54):
can leave the country if they want. Well, at that time,
I guess that's when he tipped them off. Okay, Additionally,
I'm just gonna read it again. Scott Radius testified, this
is Charlie Aedelson's friend who lives in Vietnam, who tipped
off the state that the Adolsons were asking strange questions

(19:17):
and don't tell Charlie that they were leaving. Because basically
when he said don't tell Charlie, Charlie knew through rash
Bound that they were fleeing, but they didn't want it
recorded on the phone call between That's why they didn't
want him to tell Charlie. That's my interpretation of it.
Scott Radius testified at the August twenty first deposition that

(19:40):
Newlan told them that there's no bench warrant for the arrest,
so they can leave the country if they want. So,
how's everybody doing. Let me check in with everybody.

Speaker 9 (20:00):
It's everybody, okay, everybody okay.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
So just to give a little background on Jason Newlan,
I mean on Scott Radius, sorry and all this hold
on the second. Let me move moved to page three
for you guys, let me move back to this. It's

(20:33):
just okay, namely that at the time missus Adelson pursu's
your ticket to Dubai and Vietnam on November seventh, then
traveled to Miami International Airport on number thirteenth. She was
unaware Warren had been issued for arrest and nothing for
renderer from okay. Additionally, Scott Radius testified, Okay, okay. Finally, Maryelle, Okay,

(20:53):
this is where I think it gets interesting. Finally, Maricel
Desciso and missus Aedelson's then attorney advised missus Adelson after
Charlie Aedolson's conviction, that there was no warrant for arrest
and she could travel. So remember Marosel Descalvo, she was
the woman who represented Donna Aedelson for a minute and

(21:16):
a half and she was just hot. I believe this
was we know she was talking to Dan Rashbaum. Dan
Rashmound was giving her advice about this. How do we
know this? So I think that they've put in Descalvo's
name because she really didn't come in. I don't think

(21:37):
they were calling Marisel Descalvo before her arrest and talking
to them about it. The person that she was talking
to the most. Even Donna Aedelson says it in those
jailhouse calls with Charlie. She says, all we talked to.
The only people we talked to really are you and
Dan Rashbaum. And they were on the phone constantly with

(21:59):
Dan RASHBACM. And then there is this and I'll get
back to this, but then there is of course this
video or recording of Donna Adelson talking about what Dan Rashbaum.
Dan told her about leaving the country. This is the

(22:24):
hot mic moment between Rashbaum, between Donna Adelson and her friends.
She didn't know she was being recorded, so the phone dropped.
She was talking to Charlie Aedelson and the phone dropped
and she couldn't She was like hello, hello, Hello, And

(22:46):
then she was telling her friends. Dan says, maybe we'll
make it out, maybe we won't take a listen.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Set this up.

Speaker 10 (22:57):
So this is a wired tap between Donna and Charlie,
who I should have set up earlier. And she's talking
to Charlie. This is now after the conviction. I'm sorry,
this is a jail house call after the conviction, and
Donna invokes a name, and it is Dan. Let's listen
one more time than I'll ask dance some questions. They're
actually from Patreon member Bobby speaking to.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Dan this morning. What they're thinking of their nart if
we'll make it out in planet really don't again, said
your mind, or you might go all of the stick
to the airport. That could happen. It could happen. I
don't know, but it's worth the tribe.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
I want to give it to you, Dan.

Speaker 10 (23:57):
I got to say this doesn't look too good either.
What they call a bad fact. Is it you that
she is referring to? And did you have prior knowledge
of her flight?

Speaker 11 (24:07):
So I'm going to read what I've written here so
I don't screw this up. So, because I anticipated this
question would come, I can't talk about what I said
or didn't say because it's privileged. What I can say
is that at the time Donna Adelson went to the airport,

(24:27):
she was a free woman. What I can say is
there was no indictment to anyone's knowledge. We know now
there wasn't one. There was no grand jury that we
knew was convened. We know now it wasn't convened till after,
and there was no arrest warrant that was known of.
In fact, we know the rest warrant I think was

(24:48):
just obtained hours before the flight. Again, she had offered
to surrender at any point in time from twenty sixteen on.
I know that because I had made that offer, she
did nothing wrong by going to the airport. Okay, Now

(25:09):
I cannot tell you what I advised her, what I knew,
or what I didn't know. But what I can tell
you for certain is that I acted within my ethical obligations.
And what I can tell you for certain is that
no crimes were committed by her going to the airport,
and that's why she wasn't charged with any sort of

(25:31):
crimes related to that.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
So after speaking to them this morning, Annion, what they're
thinking of their kindnt if we'll make it out in
planet really don't be a Jain said, you might, or
you might do all of it stick to the airport,
and that could happen. It could happen, I don't know,
but it's worth to try it.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Well. Okay, so he might make it out before that
grand jury meets. But that's the point of fleeing. You
flee before something bad does happen, right, And the fact
that she was fleeing to a country with no extradition treaty,

(26:21):
and she was looking specifically for countries with no extradition
treaty means that once there was a warrant out for
her arrest or once they wanted to bring her back,
she wanted to make it near impossible for them to

(26:41):
bring her back into the country. But there's Dan Rashbaum.
But why are they talking about Marisel D'scalvo in this
in this motion, Why isn't it Dan Rashbaum? Because I

(27:01):
think the reason is because Dan Rashmaum had to recuse
himself right because it was such a conflict of interest.
He said he had a waiver, which he'd never had
talk about not fulfilling his ethical duties. He said he
had a waiver, and it derailed the whole trial. But

(27:24):
Marocel de Scalvo might have said something after she got arrested, like, well,
they didn't have a you know, there's nothing preventing you
from but everything all those conversations were with Dan Rashmount.
But here she's being Marosel de Scalvo is being substituted

(27:44):
for Dan Rashmaount in this motion, mister Scalvo also advised
I mean, no, no, this never happened. I think she
could have only advised her after she was in custody.
So this isn't you know, this will tell you the
quality of her lawyers.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Are.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
They're under an ethical duty to not lie like this,
but they have no problem giving their apple watches over
so she can communicate in ways that are illegal with
the with Harvey or untapped. And do you know it

(28:29):
sounds like to do illegal things like try to pick off.
We'll learn the extent of it at trial. But she
wanted to kill her own son, Robert. I mean, if
anything told you that Donna Edelson has zero remorse and

(28:54):
has not learned her lesson at all about a talking
on the phone killing people, killing people being more important.
She has no remorse, and in fact, it seems like
she's hungry to kill some more. So all this stuff,

(29:14):
you know, this is something that's put out by the
Wrongful Conviction movement that people age out of their criminality. Clearly,
Donna isn't I think that's I think that is a
nonsense seventy five and she's happy to kill three people

(29:35):
to advance herself to get what she wants. So there's
that ridiculous filing. But here let's talk about Scott Radius.
This was let me pull this down, so that's one filing.
There's so many new filings in this case. Thanks Wesley

(30:00):
Loves october Fest for gifting ten memberships. Very generous of you.
They will be handed out in random I am keeping
my members in mind. I have been putting up stuff
early for you guys. I hope you're catching it. Extra

(30:20):
videos and stuff you get to see first. I hope
Robert testified too. A lot of the things that he said,
and I'll be going over this in another but what
we know, so his deposition was leaked. Robert Aidolson, who's
the oldest son who exiled himself from the family after

(30:48):
Dan Markel's murder when he was the only one. He
was going to Harvey and Charlie and Wendy and Donna Adolson,
the whole Adolson family and saying aren't you aren't you
wondering who killed Danny dan markelle No one was interested
in the Adolson family because of course they already knew

(31:08):
who killed Dan Markell. But we know he said some
damning things about Donna that they're trying to remove from
this trial. One is that he doesn't think his mother
is easily fooled, meaning she could have been I don't know.
I assume that means like extorted for money, or believe

(31:33):
that Charlie Aedelson was being extorted by Katie mcbanalwall for money,
meaning that they the Latin Kings murdered Dan markel On
Speck and then asked for money, murdered someone who was
hugely beneficial to the aid and family for murdering, and
then asked for money on a payment plan three thousand

(31:56):
dollars a month. So humorous. The Latin King payment plan
is always always makes me laugh. So here's Scott Radius's
communications with Harvey, and you can see Harvey getting more
and more frustrated and worry that his son, Charlie Adelson,

(32:16):
now that he's been arrested, won't be getting his money
from this illegally owned Vietnamese property. Not that I don't
think other people do this, give money to someone who's
a Vietnam citizen and become a silent investor in property.
I don't know if this is technically elite legal to

(32:38):
become a silent owner like this and have no paperwork.
You know, it's like there's no paperwork, Like we're not
writing down that Charlie Adelson's involved in this because it's illegal.
Here's their communication. There are little typos on the day
and stuff, so please forge. So there's Scott Radius and

(33:12):
I wrote these as exactly as they were, exactly as
they were written. These are emails between the two of them,
Harvey and Harvey Aedelson, so Donna Aedelson's husband, Charlie and
Wendy Aedelson's father. And you can see why Harvey Edelson

(33:35):
was left out of a lot of the planning of
this one.

Speaker 12 (33:38):
We the jury by the aspalas as to count one
of the indictments, first degree murder. The defendant is guilty
of first agree murder. Count two. We the jury by
an as Falos as to count two of the indictment,
conspiracy to commit first agree murder. The defendant is guilty
of conspiracy to commit first agree murder.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
So Harvey Adelson says, writes Scott Radius and asks what
about recommendations in Vietnam? And Harvey Adolsen's writes again what
city would be best for us? And Scott Radius writes back,

(34:44):
we would recommend flying in either then taking a domestic
into a more peaceful location. The resort that our villa
is in has other that are available for rent. Ours
is just not ready yet. That could be an option.

(35:05):
So it's curious. Why do you think Scott Radius. Here's
a question that I'd love to ask my super smart audience.
Why do you think Scott Radius ultimately tipped off the
state of Florida that or that that Donna Edelson was

(35:30):
going to flee. I mean, it really went against his
best interest. He could have made money on this deal.
So Harvey writes back, So I and I kept in

(35:52):
the typos his typos. So I fly into Segon, So
he goes, I s I to Sagan and then to
which airport? And will you be able to help us
find another unit that is available into Segon? So Wesley

(36:15):
says ROBERTA. I've thought of this too. So he could
keep the money he already has and resell the coddo
That's what I think too. No honor among thieves, Wesley,
No honor among thieves, right, I mean everything is money
with this Adelson family. They have learned nothing, nothing about life.

(36:36):
Then what's really important? In life. Yes, Michelle says, that's
his wife says she can look into it for you.
Just need dates and time frame. And who wants to
be near this killer family too? Who even wants to
be in the same country, let alone the same city
as this killer family. Doctor Harvey Edelson says, I love

(36:59):
how it's Harvey Aedelson. Doctor Charlie Edelson is no longer
doctor Charlie Edelson. His license was revoked after his murder conviction.
Wonder how many doctors have lost their license to being
convicted of murder or another heinous felony, Doctor Harvey Edelson,

(37:23):
We are working on that now, thank you. There is
a doctor in New York I don't know it comes
up who it was like a serial offender of the
worst kind with women and was doing it at work

(37:43):
after colonoscopies. I mean this guy in Queen's Oh my law,
they're looking for more. But he would you would Bill
Cosby These women trying to talk in a friendly way,
and so there's no So a lot of these women

(38:06):
don't even know that they were victim to this doctor
Chang in Queens. He pled guilty and he's doing years
in prison. Scott Radius says, okay, I'll wait for your response.
So sorry as well. I feel horrible. Wait, hold on,
did I miss something there? Who flies into from the

(38:29):
States and Quatar Airlines is a good choice from Miami.
This goes and doctor Hotel Nico, Saygan question Mark and
he does not suggest Hotel Nico. He says, we have

(38:51):
a lot of friends stay at the Landmark eighty one.
It's very nice. Don't forget to apply for your visa
online before securing tickets. Michelle has some friends that are
travel agents. If you need more assistance, she said, she
can connect you to Thank you. Donna and I are

(39:15):
talking to Charlie now. They were talking to Charlie constantly
during this time period. Scott Radio says, let me know
we are thinking of him in to call when he
feels up to it. Okay, I will tell him thumbs
up hart Doctor Edelson says, Donna and I will arrive

(39:46):
and say Gon on Wednesday at seven point thirty on
the fifteenth, and we will stay in the city until
the twentieth. We have not made plans for the next city.
Is that true? We have not made plans to the

(40:08):
next city. Most important for us is to be able
to stay in contact with Charlie. We need some place
with strong WiFi. I need you your advice about extend
Exfinity plans or do something else. We are leaving Miami
Monday night.

Speaker 9 (40:28):
So that was Monday the thirteenth, November thirteenth.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Okay, so then they get one day before arrest. They're
in contact. There's a miscall from Harvey Edelson, new message. Hey, sorry,

(41:07):
I'm at work. It's loud. It's a holiday weekend here,
so that is Sunday, November twelve. I was going to ask,
what is Infinity? Is that your phone plans? Scott? Radius
acts Scott. You must not mention to Charlie anything about

(41:32):
our plans, like, we don't want to.

Speaker 9 (41:35):
Tip off the jail. Please call asap. Just two minute call.
We don't want to put anything in writing about what
we're doing here.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
One minute. Let me go to the back and then
let me tip off the FBI. Doctor Edelson says, thank you.
Harvey writes super long text to Scott that won't fit
in any text mess stimp like okay, Scott says, I Scott,

(42:08):
this is from Harvey. I know you were aware that
Charlie was found guilty by a jury that made up
their minds long before the trial started. Charlie's only chance
of a new trial is through the appellate courts. Not likely,
and even Charlie Adelson says it's like nearly impossible, highly

(42:29):
unlikely that he'll ever appeal his conviction. Donna Adelson, as
you know, Donna, as you know, was arrested. I would
like to speak with you when you have some time. Again,
Charlie always considered you. Here comes the guilt, Here comes
the Jewish guilt, and the other kinds of guilt, and
any other kind of guilt, and the killer Adolson guilt. Again,

(42:53):
Charlie Aedelson always considered you a real friend and tried
to make your stay in his house a memorable experience memory.
How so, what does he know? What is this memorable experience?
This is a curious email. Let me see if I

(43:15):
can move forward a memorable experience. I guess that's the
end of that. I hope that you are okay and
looking forward to speaking with you. Scott. Is this a
good time to talk? Harvey? So they're going back and forth.

(43:37):
Sounds like a code, doesn't it right? This is a
good time to talk. We don't want to put anything
in writing. I hope the phones aren't tapped. I don't
think they are. Scott Radius says hey, doctor Adelson. Yes,
I agree. Charlie has always been a great friend, and
I will continue to be there for him when he calls.

(44:03):
I consider. I understand you have a lot going on
with your family right now, and I just need to
excuse myself and not be involved. So it sounds like
he was asked to become involved in some kind of
family drama. I don't know what do you think he

(44:24):
was asked to become involved in here? This doesn't sound
like it's about the properties. I mean, it's like, you know,
no honor among thieves the Adolson's. Oh. Another thing that
Robert Aedelson said about his mother is that if anyone

(44:45):
looks out for number one, I'm paraphrasing. This is my words,
not his. If anyone looks after number one, it's my mother.
And that's how they were all taught. I believe in
that family to look after numbers. So when Charlie Aedelson's
trial was ongoing, certainly Donna could have supported Charlie Aedelson's

(45:08):
defense and lied on the stand for him, or even
showed up to his trial, but they said that they
would plead the fifth and so they were never called.
They were on the state's witness list. I don't know
if I'm even going to get through all of the
material today. There's so much new material. But let's see
what we can plow through today from the defense and

(45:32):
from the state in Donna's trial. I mean, so, here's
their friend, very much like Charlie Aedelson looking after number one.
Don't want to get involved. I know he this is
a time when he really needs friends. And I don't
know what they're asking and you know what, to be

(45:53):
fair to Scott radius, I don't know what they're asking
him to do because they're communicating by phone, so there's
no record of it. Does everybody remember these text messages?

(46:17):
I was just familiarize I forgot a lot of the
content of him. Doctor Radelson, thank you for responding. I
really only want to remain his friend. You know, the
kind of friend who doesn't have to put too much
effort in it, only has to listen to Charlie monologue
maybe once every six months. Okay, I really only wanted

(46:39):
you to remain his friend. This is Harvey to Scott.
I really only want you to remain his friend. I'm
just trying to ask a question about his ownership in
the Vietnamese properties. Vietnamese property, so there's just one. But

(47:08):
it looks like they're trying to use this money for
Charlie to maybe set up some kind of I don't now,
fund his commentsary from it, or do something I don't know,
or maybe they're trying to cash it out, or maybe
they're trying to live in the property that Charlie Aedelson
is a partial owner in because he does ask when

(47:32):
it was ready. Okay, hold on, let me I just
miss this. Okay. Doctor Edelson says, I would appreciate as
his friend if you would return his investment. Yeah, so
they're looking for money, always money with the Atholson family.

(47:52):
Return his investment in the Vietnam me's property right now,
I need money to pay an appellate lawyer. Please do
the right thing and really helped Charlie. Thank you and
have a good holiday. Charlie's dad, I mean, look how
I mean just laying on the guilt. He's getting folksy there.
He's not doctor Edelson anymore. He's Charlie's dad. Scott Radius says, hey,

(48:18):
doctor Raedelson all the funds have been sent to make
the required payments as it was stated in the payment plan.
So I guess Charlie lent them this money and they
agreed to pay it back on a payment plan with interest.
Maybe I don't know. Can you make any sense of

(48:39):
this how this was structured from these emails? Maybe smarter
person than I will figure this out to send to
make the required payments as it was stated in the
payment plan. Michelle and I are not in a financial
position to buy out Charlie's share at this time. Okay,

(49:04):
So it sounds like he Okay, this is the way
I view it. Charlie Aedelson was silent partner and he
was getting rent money from this and when they rented
out to rich Americans or whoever else, but I would
think Americans. Because good morning. Please send documentation of Charlie's ownership. Also,

(49:30):
can we arrange a plan to pay back his investment.
Your cooperation would really be appreciated. Please consider my request.
Thank you. No longer Harvey's getting upset, but there's no
documentation of this morning. I think you need to speak
with Charlie. This is from Scott. He is aware there

(49:52):
is no documentation. He actually didn't want anything in his name.
I suggested having a legal letter written up, but he
said he didn't want that either. Unfortunately, I cannot return
his investment because things didn't work out as planned. I
will still honor his investment and pass the proceeds to

(50:15):
him or his son when they come in, as we
have agreed upon moving forward, I feel more comfortable speaking
with Charlie. Next, Havy calls, I'll deal with Charlie from prison.
What's it so the proceeds? I guess were they planning
to sell it or rent it? I don't know. I

(50:37):
would assume rent it. Doctor Aedelson says, I do not
believe he can have private conversation with you about his property.
We don't even what you're talking about is illegal property,
so this must be very illegal on his jailhouse. But

(51:00):
now it's best to discuss with me. I have a
power of attorney on any matters. Hopefully he will get
another trial, Not likely, Harvey. This is a goal of
an appellate lawyer, and it will take time and money.
No kidding. Can you send any documentation stating what he owns?
I would appreciate that. Have a good day again, right,

(51:26):
I know they're not allowed to own land in Vietnam.
I get that, but that's Vietnamese law, not American law.
I mean, what are they going to come arrest you
in America from Vietnam? I don't know. Scott Radius says,
Charlie is aware. There is no documentation. I don't understand
what you want me to send. There's nothing in my

(51:48):
name either. This is from Scott to Harvey. I will
speak with Charlie when he calls. It's not a private matter.
It can be discussed right exactly, like they're not going
to arrest you for owning pretty in Vietnam. They'll rest
you over here, but not in America, doctor Adelson. The
location of the property, there's no ownership docs, how to

(52:12):
arrange a visitor stay at property? Just basic info? How
is money distributed from rental property? It is a rental property. Okay,
maybe we can arrange a time to talk. I really
am not trying to give you a hard time. Please
understand my situation. Hotthead Harvey Adolsen is getting Hey, Alison,

(52:32):
nice to see you getting upset. Scott Radius says, understood, Yes,
Michelle has the docs. I can share, thank you. And
this is January twenty twenty four. I just remember nearly
losing my mind making this video. Doctor Adelson says, please

(52:58):
ask Michelle to send a copy of the ownership docs
on Vietnam property. Thank you, and he deleted this message.
Whatever it said evening, sorry for the rate. This is
from Scott to Harvey. Sorry evening, Sorry for the late reply.

(53:22):
This is our busiest time of year. When you're ready
to visit the villa, Michelle can assist in making the
reservation for now, I'm not comfortable sending the address as
a majority of texts, emails, and calls are being posted
all over the internet. Funny, funny how this landed on
the internet. I'm sure you understand we don't want the

(53:44):
location being shared with everyone. Regarding the agreement we have
with Charlie, nothing has changed. We will still honor his
share and once it's rented out, will share the revenue accordingly.
As for Charlie's remaining balance of sixteen gay, what is
this remaining balance? What does this mean? So he's invested

(54:08):
somewhat and what it would be a remaining balance? Oh? So,
I guess he gave them more money to invest for
him in these kind of properties. Michelle and I will
cover it. In the meantime, I wish you and your
family the best. And so after this it just goes
back and forth with there's one other interesting part of this.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Let me.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I appreciate the privacy concerns. Why can't you snailmail the docs,
Harvey says. The people interested in my personal life already
have my home address includes home address. I can appreciate
your concerns and please consider mine. I mean, this is
getting very snarky, doctor Aedelson. When will you be sending

(55:06):
documents showing Charlie as a third owner of property in Vietnam.
That's not a thing to send in an email to
someone living in Vietnam. But okay, not the most criminally
sadly people in the world. But I made this very clear.

(55:29):
There are no documents showing mine or Charlie's name on
his investment in the property. The entire property is under
Michelle's name. Foreigners cannot purchase property in their name in Vietnam.
Charlie made it very clear he didn't want his name
on anything. As I stated previously, nothing has changed with
our agreement with Charlie. I would appreciate it if you

(55:52):
would stop asking for documents that were never intended as
it's impossible for them to exist. The property is complete
in the end of March early April. I will let
you know. Wow, he is pissed. He's had it. Scott
Radius has had it. Say moving on, when you decide

(56:22):
to visit, Michelle will assist you in making the accommodations
as she's the only one who can actually do it
and it's her under her name only. Oh and then
this is the most gaslighting period part. Doctor Aedelson says,

(56:43):
I was never told there were no documents in my
son's name. I was never given that information by anyone.
How many times did he say that there's no documentation?
You were assuming that I knew all of what you
were talking about. Talk about gaslighting. Understand after your email,
is there contact information by Michelle that I should have?

(57:05):
So he sends back this is after this, Scott Radius
sends him back screenshots of him of him telling him
that there was no documentation in other emails in two
photos right there was informed twice previously I'm not gonna

(57:30):
be gaslight lit by you, Harvey. And then they go
back and forth about when to call Charlie. So that's
the whole history of Scott radius also okay. So also
other defense motions on is lean okay okay. Is another

(58:09):
motion on liminy, which is emotion on liminy is like
emotion to ban evidence from a trial, to remove certain
evidence from a trial. And this I find interesting. So
defended Donna Adelson by in her undersound counsel person to
blah blah blah. Section Statutes requests that the court exclude

(58:31):
any testimony interpreting the content of emails, recorded phone calls,
and or text messages. In support. Therefore, states as followed,
missus Adelson has indicated in the case with one count
has been indicted of murder and the first degree murder,
conspiracy to commit first degree murder, and one count of

(58:52):
solicitation of first degree murder. Throughout the prial trial. Prior trials,
state witnesses have testified concerning their interpretation of missus Adelson's emails,
statements made by various parties, on recordings, and text messages.
By this motion, miss Adelson removes the exclude testimony of
witnesses interpreting those emails, recorded statements, and text messages. The

(59:20):
threshold question for admission of evidences relevance if a witness
is not testifying as an expert, the witness's testimony about
what he or she perceives may be may be in
the form in inference and opinion, when the witness cannot
readily and equally with equal accuracy and adequacy communicate what

(59:42):
he or she perceived to the trier of fact without
testifying terms of inferences of opinions, and the witness's use
of inferences or opinions will not mislead the trier of fact.
To the prejudice of objecting party, the opinions and inferences

(01:00:02):
do not require a special knowledge, skill, experience, or training. However,
under this exception, opinion testimony is usually limited to matters
relating to distance, time, size, weight, and identity, which are
easily observable. During the trial, the witness was to opine

(01:00:24):
what the defendant meant when the defendant made a statement.
The defense objected, arguing that the question called for the
witness does speculate that his opinion interpretation was irrelevant and
the witness was not qualified to offer his opinion. The
trial court permitted the testimony. On Friday, the Florida Supreme

(01:00:44):
Court held that as a general rule, lay witnesses may
not testify in the form of opinions or inferences. It
is the function of the jury to draw those inferences.
Since the witness was able to convey what the defendant said,
the exact meaning of Thorpe's words, and inferences may have
been drawn from Thorpe's This is another case statement. So

(01:01:08):
Donna Adelson respectfully requests that this honorable Court grant this
motion and eliminate. So, for example, I would think this
would have most to do with Wendy Aedelson's testimony, and

(01:01:29):
specifically in regards to her testimony about Donna Aedelson's emails,
which are incredibly damning. So I think they're looking to

(01:01:52):
throw out these damning emails because they know how they
come off. I just saying, well, people can't put their opinion.
It's just opinion. It's Wendy's opinion, not the emails themselves.
I mean, who cares. I mean, so they don't want

(01:02:15):
Wendy to basically what say that they're real. I don't know,
because anytime any kind of wire taps, they also talk
about wiretaps and were played. They were just played in
their entirety. There wasn't much interpretation given it seems like

(01:02:41):
it's mostly about this kind of testimony. Hold on one
second and I will share my screen. Please be pagent.

Speaker 8 (01:02:55):
So that are those emails between you and your mother?

Speaker 13 (01:03:15):
I don't think I responded. I think they're just emails
from my mom to me.

Speaker 8 (01:03:18):
Okay, nicely, all from your mom? Yeah, okay. And the
email address is I think it's something like Wendy Harvey.
Can you tell from the content that it's your mom
type thing rather than your dad?

Speaker 13 (01:03:30):
Yeah, the email's Donna Harvey. My two parents' names, so
they've been married over fifty years, so they have a
joint email address, so it's from both of them.

Speaker 8 (01:03:39):
Okay. So what I want to draw your attention to
is page two of that exhibit, that first paragraph there
above the word response, Did you have an opportunity to
read that?

Speaker 13 (01:03:55):
I read it real fastest I can.

Speaker 8 (01:03:58):
And what I want to draw your attention to is
specifically the part that reads, your father has made numerous
trips by plane for weekends and changing the patient schedules
around so he can continue to spend significant time with
the children.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Did you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I just didn't hear.

Speaker 8 (01:04:20):
Judge at this time, I'd asked me of this exhibit
into evidence. Okay, it's fifty seven, thank you. So that
paragraph isn't that paragraph going into detail about how the
issues surrounding your divorce and litigation is financially impacting in

(01:04:42):
a negative way your parents' business.

Speaker 13 (01:04:45):
That's what my mom says here, yes, okay.

Speaker 8 (01:04:48):
And it also says additionally, this loss of income.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Where's the opinion, where's the opinion?

Speaker 8 (01:04:56):
He affects my family because my older brother, also a dentist,
purchased the practice from my father in mid July twenty twelve.
He has a monthly payment to make to my father
based on the sale of the practice. It isn't fair
to him to have decreasing monthly income statements from the
practice due to my parents spending so much time here
in Tallahassee. So this is an argument that your mom

(01:05:19):
is proposing right to help you, give you an idea
of what might persuade the courts to allow the relocation.
You agree with.

Speaker 13 (01:05:27):
That, yes, that's what she was doing, yes, okay.

Speaker 8 (01:05:31):
And she's indicating that both your parents as well as
your brother have suffered financially as a result of you
not being able to relocate.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Okay. So what they're trying to do there is an opinion,
but I mean it's basically fact. I mean, I don't
see how Wendy drawing the jury's attention to it or
someone else drawing their attention to it. I think Donna's
going to take the stand. She can be confronted with

(01:06:01):
her own emails, which are damning. You can go through them,
they're damning, Yes, okay?

Speaker 8 (01:06:10):
And on page do you have page numbers in the
bottom right corner of your exhibit?

Speaker 13 (01:06:17):
I have them in the top so I can see.

Speaker 8 (01:06:19):
Okay, so five of well, let me give me a moment.

Speaker 13 (01:06:32):
Three okay?

Speaker 8 (01:06:38):
Or underlined in the center and in bold. Do you
see that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:06:41):
Okay? Right before that, it reads, However, the rest of
your life and consequently Dad's, mine, and yes, even Charlie's,
will be affected by how well you can perform slash
act before July thirty. First, you need to be a
good actress when you or you can be a good
actress when you want to. I've seen you in action.

(01:07:03):
You need to put on the performance of your life.
Gibbers hasn't beaten the Adolson family yet. Who's Gibbers Tibbers.

Speaker 13 (01:07:11):
She's referring to Danny.

Speaker 8 (01:07:13):
And what is was Gibber's name he went by, or
just something you called him behind his back.

Speaker 13 (01:07:17):
Tibbers was a silly nickname that I gave him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Was a cruel nickname that I gave him to make
him seem less scary.

Speaker 13 (01:07:27):
It changes proceedings when he was being pretty scary and threatening,
and it kind of made me fee less scared of him.

Speaker 8 (01:07:36):
Okay, So not something you called him to his face. No,
but that was a word that was all I used
to describe him.

Speaker 13 (01:07:42):
Yes, it was a nickname.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (01:07:44):
So in this.

Speaker 8 (01:07:46):
Again, your mom is referencing how everyone's life is being
affected by this relocation, including your brother. Charlie, do you
agree with that.

Speaker 13 (01:07:56):
That is what she said? Yes, all right?

Speaker 8 (01:07:58):
Is your mom over protective of you?

Speaker 13 (01:08:01):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:08:01):
All right? And is it fair? Decition's you know, a
little on the controlling side.

Speaker 13 (01:08:07):
I don't think she's controlling, but she's definitely overprotective.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Both Charlie and Wendy answered like this, minimizing Donna Adelson's
make a control over her children and wanting to really
run their life.

Speaker 8 (01:08:23):
Did she ever try to micromanage your life?

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:08:33):
Did she have an interest in who you were dating
and who you weren't dating and who you should be dating.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
So distant. Everything about this performance by Wendy is so phony.
Maybe yes, maybe yes. My favorite thing though, my favorite
thing in all of Charlie Adelson's trial besides the verdict,
when his head goes down he says, he mouths no
and his head goes down on the day well is

(01:09:02):
when he's asked by Dan Rashbaum in this incredibly scripted,
incredibly rehearsed direct examination of Charlie Wilson, He's asked, did
you kill Dan Markel? And he says absolutely no, absolutely no,
absolutely absolutely no. I mean talk about contradictory words. Absolutely no,

(01:09:29):
Yes I did.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
But no.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
For here's the very much similar answer. Maybe maybe means
maybe yes, maybe no, maybe maybe yes, maybe no, fifty
to fifty shot either way, then maybe yes.

Speaker 13 (01:09:50):
So I think she was usually disappointed that I wasn't
dating more.

Speaker 8 (01:09:59):
For example, well, isn't it true that she would not
let you drive to and from Tallahassee to South Florida.

Speaker 13 (01:10:08):
Well, I used to drive before I had the boys,
but they were young, and she preferred to come with
me and give me some extra support.

Speaker 8 (01:10:15):
So what would that look like if you were going
to take a trip to South Florida. Would they come
up here and get you or no?

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I mean, what are these kids like wild in the car?
I mean, I'm imagining like wild animals running around the car.
I mean, I just think this is this is just
so feign to the way that I was raised. He
saw this in Brian Coburger, his father flying to drive
with him. I mean, forget it. Forget it. My mom's

(01:10:49):
not doing that. It's kind of coddling of a grown
adults is so foreign to me. I just said, to
give me some support driving. My parents aren't doing it.

Speaker 9 (01:11:07):
Sometimes I would go, I mean, my father's long since
to seized.

Speaker 13 (01:11:12):
Well myself with the kids, but I was breastfeeding both
of them, so it usually looked like me breastfeeding a
child while I entertained the other in the Okahampka.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
I mean she makes it like she paints an image
of her like having one child at the breast while
like trying to drive. I mean, I get it, it
could be I could get it could be hectic, but
it's like a mother has never drown, you know, driven
a distance with a child. Especially in this day and age,
we didn't have all these distractions and tablets and things.

(01:11:49):
We had, books, we had, we had I spy games,
and I don't know whatever else you wanted to do
in the backseat of long drive when you're little. So yeah,
I don't know. I don't think this is gonna fly.
But I mean, this is pretty broad to say that

(01:12:10):
this is our interpretation. It just seems like a broad ask.
It's so broad. This depends ask also. Okay, so there's that.
But just like just a reminder of what these emails
are like. It's a little reminder just looking through these

(01:12:38):
before and so here's one, uh, the most important right

(01:12:59):
here is the most important part of your divorce is relocation.
I sincerely hope your attorney understands that this is your
non negotiable. She needs to hear from you how serious
you are about this and how it will benefit the
children with a close knit family support system. Notice they

(01:13:20):
don't care about the close knit family support system from
the Markel's because the kids were totally barred from seeing
their grandparents after Danny was shot and their names were changed,
trying to remove any bit of Dan Markel from their lives.
I mean, they really tried to erase him and his memory.

(01:13:42):
It didn't work from the universe, from off the face
of the earth. That was the idea. They hated him
so much they wanted to erase any trace of him
and act like he never existed. In that Wendy was
it was the virgin birth, her two children, her two boys.

(01:14:09):
At the same time, his regular NYU crap was taking
his place. Okay, these trips need to be coordinated with
a very angry man who will not be cooperative with
you in this regard. For example, this past weekend you
had your annual conference for Blank at the same time
his regular NYU crap was taking place. He didn't say,
I go to NYU every month, and this is your

(01:14:32):
annual meeting. I'll stay with the children and you go.
Of course not. Danny thinks he's very a very important
person and as always, he and his needs come first.
Talk about the kettle. So without your parents as backup,
one of you would would have had to stay home

(01:14:53):
with the children. Your attorney needs to understand that your
mother worked full time in the family's dental practice until
septe when she felt she was needed by you for
the well being of the children to get them through
a transitional time. With people who love them.

Speaker 6 (01:15:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
But that's interesting because when Donna is on wheel of fortune,
she calls herself a domestic coordinator who organizes the classes, lessons,
and activities of her three children. She doesn't say she's
working in the dental practice. I think that came later,

(01:15:32):
after the kids were older. Your family made numerous trips
by plane for weekends and changing the patient schedules around
so that he can continue to spend significant time with
the children. Both the disappearance of your mother from the
position of office manager and the disappearance of your father
from the practice for a significant amount of time has

(01:15:52):
caused a decrease in the practice income and the loss
of some patient who feel it's either not being run
the same way as when my mother was there full time,
or that my father is unable to see patients with
problems and has referred them to other offices during his absences. Okay,

(01:16:13):
and then then there's this one. When I wrote you
this morning, we felt that you had reasonable thoughts as
to what the judge might do or say or think
regarding this charade we had hoped you would participate in. However,
the more we think about that, we begin to realize

(01:16:33):
that you and we have no idea what this judge
will do, or say or think. Who would have thought,
after paying an attorney six hundred dollars per hour for
ten months, she would take an hour and a half
of testimony, not even bother calling Gibbers to the stand
and decide that family support for very young children evidently

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evidently means nothing. It means nothing. Okay, maybe I'll do
this in the dollar boys. Family support for the very
young children evident evidentally means nothing. And that a job
that pays ten times when you're unsecured, untenured, and dependent
upon state budget cuts job pays in Tallahassee will be

(01:17:20):
just fine for your children. Does she care that after
dispenses you'll save next to nothing at the end of
a year. Does she care that very little, if anything,
will be put away for the children for their current
and future education. Does she care that extra curricular activities,

(01:17:43):
sports trips, eating out in restaurants will always be a
financial challenge for you to provide for the boys? Clearly
she does not take it to consideration the future earning
potential and benefit for your children. She doesn't care that
there's no backup support system what one of your preschoolers

(01:18:08):
is sick. All she cared about was if your the
father hadn't been putting pulling out their toenails. You should
give up any finance mchi'll betterment for you and your children,
raise them in a place that you agreed to go
because Jibbers only had FSU as a job offer. Of course,

(01:18:31):
as a graduate of fs you law school and the
native of Tallahassee Tallahassee, she sees nothing wrong with living there.
Of course, obviously as a native of South Florida you
know better. Our point is obviously that you and Kristen

(01:18:52):
haven't figured out the judge so far. You were both
shocked at the rapid decision based on nothing that was
zis So, how do you think at this point you
can figure out what the judge will say regarding your
decision to introduce Christianity into the boys' lives. People go
to prison and change the religion all the time. Have
you changed your religion Tana since going to jail? Doubt it?

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I don't. People go through difficult times and find Jesus.
Jesus was Jewish, he had positive teachings, He gave people
hope and best of all you get to go to
heaven in the end. Sounds good to me. I mean
these are just I mean so if you think that

(01:19:38):
the financial benefit to Wendy wasn't a motivation for this murder,
certainly this email dispels that notion. They were very unhappy
financially with the financial setup. You know. Here she is again,

(01:20:02):
just like it says on your necklace, never never give up,
and they never do give up these Adolsen family. Apparently
they never give up. Donna never gives up her love
for murdering people. Hold on one second, I just got
to get a drink of water. Okay, let's show this

(01:20:28):
fucker what will make him absolutely miserable. You know his
weak points, and listen to how close her what she
identifies as Dan Markel's weak points are to Donna Adelson
and the Adolson family's weak points money, religion, control. You

(01:20:50):
have five weeks before your court date. I know you
have a job that keeps you very busy, busy. However,
the rest of your life and consequently Dad's, mine, and
yes even Charlie's, will be affected by how well you
can perform act before July thirty. First, you can be
a very good actress. When you want to. I've seen

(01:21:11):
you in action. You need to put on the performance
of your life. Jippis hasn't beaten the Adelson family yet,
and this was all a competition for them. Not a
great look for Donna Adelson. I believe all these and
maybe more emails are coming in in the August nineteenth trial.

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But I just want to bring your attention to one
other defense and we're going to go over there. I
don't think I have time today, but I'll go over
it again maybe tomorrow. But Donna's defense witness list, Okay,
let me just show you this. Let me pull it

(01:22:05):
up so I can actually read it here. So there's
just the usual suspects. James Todd Murphy expert. So he's
the one who does all these? Isn't he the one

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who does all these? Isn't he the expert witness on? Wait,
hold on, James Todd Murphy. Let me look it up
while I'm here. James Todd Murphy, he's an omaha. Oh yeah,

(01:22:54):
he was the one who did the motion for That's
what I thought. He's the one who did the motion
for moving venue change. And he basically compiles all this
media saying that there's too much media on Donna to

(01:23:14):
actually Trier in Tallahassee, Wendy Aedelson they want to call
as a defense witness. Susan Brotman. I believe is del Ray,
Richard Chagrin, Annie Cunningham. I think these are friends of
the Aedolson's, Ron Gutterson, Lisa Carey, Timothy Kelly, Kristin Abramson

(01:23:37):
in Tallahassee. Marisel Descalvo in Miami. That's her lawyer. Tara
cow Was is on both the defense and the prosecution.
She was Katie mcmanaa's lawyer. Linda Bailey expert scores, investigations

(01:23:57):
and consulting. Josiah Rolloff roll Off Digital Forensics, Kelsey Guy
same place, roll Off Digital Forensics, cher Roma kN Craig
isam Jason Newlan the State's Attorney's office. He's an investigator

(01:24:18):
Charlie Adelson and he's now being represented by Ufferman Law.
But if you go to the second page here, I
just wanted to bring your attention. Will go over all
this soon. But there's just one thing that is very curious,

(01:24:43):
So it goes into the tangible papers and objects. So
this is essentially their exhibits. And if you go down
to number J artwork. So we've heard about this artwork
given to Drina Bernhardt, who is the government snitch, remember

(01:25:04):
her from the beginning of this episode. We're going to
we're circling back to her, this woman. So Drina Burkhardt,
the state said that a painting was given to her.
So I assumed that this was a painting that Donna

(01:25:25):
Aedelson made in art class because she seemed to accumulate
jail friends from this art class and people that she
wanted to she was paying off to testify favorably for
her allegedly, Right, that's the allegation. It hasn't proven yet.
We haven't seen the evidence yet, but that's the state's

(01:25:46):
theory or the state's allegation that she was paying off
her friends from art class in jail to give her
favorable testimony. So right here there is the defense is
going to counter this artwork that was given from Donna

(01:26:10):
to Drina. We don't know what it is. It could be,
it could have secret messages in it, it could just
be an artwork given to Drena to show that there's
a relationship between Drina and Donna. Right, that's what I
think it is. But here Jay, there's artwork and a
Christmas note from Drena to They call her not Donna,

(01:26:31):
they call her missus Adelson. So that's Jay on that list,
so curious, curious, Curious. Also was produced by the State
today and handed over was their proof that Drena Burkhardt

(01:26:54):
is a government witness or state witness. There so you
can see it here, just read it to you. It says,
comes now the State of Florida, by and through the
undersigned Assistant State Attorney and files this amended answer to

(01:27:19):
demand for discovery the State answer, so meaning this is
some of the things that the defense asked for or
that the State is required to hand over. The State
answers to demand for discovery is amended to include agreement
for use of a cooperating witness, Durena Bernhardt. There she

(01:27:40):
is again. So she is such a devastating witness that
Donna wanted to is the allegation kill Dreena Bernhardt's mother.
He may have been receiving the payments for Drena. Don't know,
don't no. So a lot of more. There's a lot more,

(01:28:04):
as you can hear. I've lost my voice and I'm
just trying to work through it a little under the weather.
So I'm going to cut it short here, but there's
a lot more to talk about, a lot more filings
before Donna Adelson's August nineteenth trial. Stay with this channel.

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six pm Eastern. Have a great night, everyone. Odana, what

(01:29:11):
a steech your head?

Speaker 7 (01:29:13):
You got it a murder because you wanted to raise
your daughter's kids. Talma has he It's just to stop
on the way to civilization. Mi heami is where all
the fancy people are. The TV is about five. You

(01:29:36):
can't get away from that. Toutoe tato who hope you
know the guy you pay then you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Get away from that.

Speaker 14 (01:29:47):
Oh ho, Dana, what a.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Stech your head.

Speaker 7 (01:29:52):
You thought chill was just for the little people, but
now you're so blankets with the locked up proof. You're
a pan mother is locked down and you'll one way
ride to feed on your blood. Gona, what a stitch

(01:30:21):
your head. Your family are exiled from the social circles
you swam in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Le all know you never made that banana break your.

Speaker 7 (01:30:33):
Offer to babysit for dance, But you'll soon be nake
in license plates and thinking bubble could have been.

Speaker 5 (01:30:42):
Oh, Gona, you had to plan a murder, and the.

Speaker 14 (01:31:02):
Colt le domm under the putt at the boom, at
the count, the down

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Three