Donna Adelson’s History of Flip Outs & Freak Outs!

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Donna Agelson from Coral Springs, Florida.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I want to hear all about your Donna.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Let's go well, I'm a mystic coordinator.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
A domestic coordinator.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Yes, I'm responsible for the activities, classes and lessons of
my son Robert, who was sixteen, Charlie who was twelve,
Whendy who was ten, my husband.

Speaker 5 (00:21):
Harvey, who's in the audience, and my dog's Sam.

Speaker 6 (00:24):
All right, and how old is Sam?

Speaker 7 (00:25):
Five?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Five?

Speaker 8 (00:26):
Cold?

Speaker 9 (00:27):
Give my best? Nice to have your hair crop and
fowls worth down. Continents are gonna be worth. There's a
lot of riding about this again. The person is categories
still your return letter beats hell help, no hell, Donna,
m yes, there are two ms. Let him come up
your five seconds person Ellen, okay, yes, Kim Kah mustard maker.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yes, there's one age time starts now, mm hmm Donna, Yes, mister.

Speaker 10 (01:28):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
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Speaker 6 (01:53):
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Speaker 11 (01:53):
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Speaker 5 (01:59):
H Yeah, oh okay, here we go. How is everybody?

Speaker 6 (02:22):
Hello?

Speaker 5 (02:22):
Creative mind, Hello, deep age, Hello Tater truth and justice.
What's up? Mio? Wallace. Nice to see you, LRM. I
go by Steph Yo, Okay, hello, I am back. It's

(02:42):
really nice to be back. I knew that I was
anxious to be back when I woke up. Actually, my
boyfriend woke me up in the middle of the night
and he's like, you're talking, you're sleep And I was
having a dream that I was on I was doing
a show. So you know that that's I'm anxious to

(03:05):
get back to all of you. If that's what's going on.
I'm feeling great. Thank you for all your well wishes.
I appreciate it. I try not to say well, I
got full thank you, I got fulled. I was like, god,
it really felt like I was like, is Donna swearing?

(03:27):
I was like, but it did inspire this episode. So anyway,
So going through she's just had so many, so many
different flipouts and freakouts, and so I thought I'd start
at the beginning with her emails. Good place to start.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Now, this is an email from Donna Adelson up top

(04:10):
to Wendy. Yes, and in this email, what did Donna
Adelson tell Wendy Aedelson is the most important part of
her divorce?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
So this is fight at forty two that we're on now,
and we see that the most important part of your
divorce is relocation. I sincerely hope your attorney understands that
that is your non negotiable.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
In the next line, does Wendy does.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
There's so many emails that I had to kind of
speed this up. So she's telling him, you know, she's
telling Wendy freaking out with Wendy, dress your kids up
and Hitler youth outfits. It's crazy, crazy, crazy, right.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Donna Edelson, give Wendy Aedelson some ideas of what she
should tell the judge about how this is negatively affecting
the lives of Donna, Harvey and Charlie.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yes, she does.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
And this is the mother and father's practice she's referencing here. Yes, okay,
And what do we have next?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
So the next section again sorry, speaks of the loss
of income across the entire family. Encourages her to say
that because my older brother, also a Dennis, purchased the
practice from my father, it isn't fair to him to
have decreasing monthly income statements from the practice due to
my parents spending so much.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Time here in Tallahasse and at the email just Donna
Edelson say, why does she say she can't write anymore?

Speaker 12 (05:40):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Just good ahead of you there, So Slide forty five,
she indicates that she's too angry to write anymore and
signs off of you.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Is gonna be like a someone's leaving these kind of
comments all the time Wendy's been arrested. So when Wendy actually,
if she ever actually gets arrested, I'm gonna be like, oh,
it's a truroll. I just like ignore though, right, it
dighted everyone? Right, these people not true? Not true? Looking

(06:13):
at the funny.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Next month in June, on June twenty fifth of twenty thirteen,
I want to ask you about an email there? And
was that just days after a very significant event in
the divorce? Yes, was Wendy Aedelson relocation denied with prejudice
just about five days before this email was sent?

Speaker 2 (06:31):
It was, Yes, the request to relocate with the children
and self floor, Yes was denied.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
All right?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
And what does Donna Adelson say to Wendy Adelson in
this email? So this one's from Donna sue up top correct, okay?
And what does she say about their recent loss in court?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
She encourages Wendy to never, never give up, and that
it is time for action, time to take control of
your life and not let Gibbers, which is a nickname
for mister Orcu think that he's just won anything by
having you remain in tell.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
And I think we've we've seen some of these, so
let's go just quickly through the rest and go through
the next one. And the next is she appear to
give Wrndy Edelson about of a pet talk about what
she should do next?

Speaker 8 (07:11):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Does she say that the rest of their family's lives
next will be determined by her performance in the next
couple of weeks. Yes, And how he hasn't beaten the
Adelson family yet. I'm sorry she needs to put on
the performance of her life. He hasn't beaten the Alsen
family yet, that's correct, and she has a strong family
behind her.

Speaker 12 (07:29):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Is next in this email where we see the plan
of appsing outlines that's great if you could skip through.
Is this the plan of option about getting posing the
kids in front of the Catholic church and getting them
baptized and assuring her that this is just an act
but don't tell anybody. Yes, And that she should take
control of him psychologically correct after this portion where she

(07:54):
wants sort of psychologically manipulated.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
That's like the most telling, the most telling. That's all
Donna's all about getting control psychologically. And you know when
she got into Miami prison, she strips off and she
had to which I hear is like the worst. And

(08:17):
this is the same situation that Charlie Kirks Shooter is in.
They're on Ending It All Watch, So you don't have
a toilet, you're in a turtle suit. It's like the
worst thing you can do. And now she's been in
that situation how many times, two or three times, and

(08:39):
she's still I mean, tomorrow we're going to go over
her reaction in court, but I still can't get over that.
She's told don't have a major reaction, and she has
a major reaction, and then she's put on End it
All Watch, which is not fun. She knows from Charlie
it's not fun. Who was at least cool enough to

(09:01):
be like, look, I'll just wait till they I'll just
wait till they can take me off. You know, it
was pretty sounded pretty even keeled about it. But it's
so fun. You have no toilet, you have to like
squat over a hole and go I mean like a nightmare.

(09:27):
You can't talk to anyone.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Dan markel into converting the children to another religion. What
does she say she plans to do next?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
There was a plan of a financial honor to mister Mornial.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Does she say I am planning or we are planning
it states we plan to make Does she go on
to describe who this we is in the team?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
She does?

Speaker 10 (09:46):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Okay, can we see that? Does she then detail how she,
Harvey and Charlie's lives have been affected by When do
you not being able to relocate?

Speaker 12 (10:00):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (10:03):
She says, it's time for you to show us you
can put the performance of your life on for the
next few weeks? What was a few weeks later?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
The final divorce?

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Here was that on July thirty first? In August first?

Speaker 13 (10:13):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Now a day or two after this, does Donna Aedelson
then write another email about the relocation?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (10:22):
In this email if you can't, okay, So this one's
from Donna Ann Harvey, I'm sorry, Yes, okay? And if
you can skip through to where she's discussing the extreme links, okay,
if we can see the next one? In this email,
does she describe situations where people have to go to
extreme links to accomplish their goals, like American soldiers, and

(10:44):
that's the uniforms.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
And does she next suggest that a major act of
defiance would be putting the boys in SS uniforms. Yes
for Hitler Youth. I'm sorry Hitler Youth from uniforms. Next
in this email, does she Wendy Aedelson to stand up.
It's all part of an act and we are willing
to help you.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
She does, yes, And.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
This is where she says that it'll put a scare
into this jackass. Yes. Next, is Don Adelson say in
all capitals that Wendy needs to see the big picture?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
She does, Yes.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Okay, so you didn't add those Those were just in there,
That's correct.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
It's like so cold, like you need to see the
whole picture.

Speaker 13 (11:28):
Jolly me, your old mother, your father, we're all in
the big picture.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Of course you like your future. Of course, making money,
having the prestigious job that was the most important thing.
And of course winning, winning was like so important. I
was really pleased to see Georgia hone in on that
in the closing argument, that this is a family obsessed

(11:58):
with winning something I've talked to about since the beginning
of this in her.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Life in Tallahassee.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Is not a pretty I mean since the beginning of
when I covered this case. That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Your picture correct?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
And then finally in this email, does she give details
of the financial offer again the one million dollar email? Yes?
And does she say that again that we are planning
meet her Charlie and Harvey and they want her to
help too, Wendy Agelson, that's correct. And finally does she
say that they are a team and they cannot do
this without her help?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
She does, all right?

Speaker 3 (12:36):
And then how does this email signed off?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Written with hope and love mom and dad?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
All right, okay, this is the final email I'm going
to show you today. We're at all in your presentation
October twelfth of twenty thirteen. So we've fast forwarded a
couple of months now looking at this email. What can
you tell us about the email chain here far as
who sent the first email, who sent the second email,
and who sent the final email?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
So what we see here again emphasizing kind of on
the content about what's being sent, But if we look
at the email chain, we can see originally this is
an email from mister Markel to Wendy Agelson, where Wendy
Aedilson has forwarded it to the Donna Harvey Gmail account,
and then the Donna Sue has forwarded it to Charlie Abielson.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
So in Dan Markel's email sent October tenth, the subject
is general principles.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
That's correct.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
And in that email does he reference that he wants
a write of first refusal an RfR.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
That's correct?

Speaker 3 (13:35):
What does that mean in this situation?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
According to him, in this situation, if what he wanted
was that if Wendy was unavailable to take care of
the children, that he'd be given the first right to.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
See. I don't think I don't think that. I don't
think that she thought that would really work. It was
just to get him back psychologically, to show her power
and make a month or because what is she what
is she going to do? Say take the kids to Miami. Sorry,
I'm just responding. Hold on, let me pull it up,

(14:10):
creative minds. This is crazy that they think that these
tactics will scare mister Markel up into giving up his
children to these monsters. So true, but I don't think
she thinks it's gonna work. It's just get to him
psychologically punish him. It's just it's just like a what

(14:31):
do you call it? It's like an attacking of him,
you know, it's like a psychological tactic to attack him.
What is I mean, what is she gonna do? Take say, okay,
take the kids to Miami and and then you'll give
up your religious conversion. It doesn't even make any sense,

(14:55):
Like if you think it through, like she's really verted,
there's nothing he can do about it. She's really converting
the children. There's nothing you can do about it. And
then you're going to be like a too religion family.
I mean, I don't know what you call it, couple family,
I don't know, ex couple, I don't know what do
you call that? Divorced couple where mom is one religion,

(15:18):
his dad is another, and kids go to synagogue on
Saturdays and church on Sundays. What is she going to do?
What is he going to do about it? How is that?
It's so silly?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Fusual? Before Wendy solicited her parents for anyone else to watch.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
The children, okay, and then Wendy before that onto the
Donna Harvey at Gmail. What then did Donna sue? Then
forward that email on to Charlie Edelson. Yes, and what
did what didna? But about the contents of everything that
she's forward to.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Him, Uh, mister, it was absolutely crazy and impossible.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
So this effer is sending this to your sister on
a regular basis. He's absolutely crazy, she defines RfR and
she says impossible in all caps and explanation points. Yes,
all right, So the date of this email is this
October twelfth of twenty thirteen. Yes, so she's sending this
to Charlie Edelson, this information about how impossible Dan Martell's

(16:26):
being what he's doing to Charlie Aedelson's sister about two
weeks before Halloween of twenty thirteen.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh, yes, two and a half weeks.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yeah, sorry, meister. To respond to what you're talking about
the best, I think he wore it a lot. I
always noticed that his shirt was like peculiarly drayed, and
there's a whole video on what exactly it was. I
don't know if you saw the same video I did,
but I'm not certain it did bounce off. I know

(16:58):
you feel like you saw it, but I don't know.
It's so scary and so disturbing. This one really anytime
someone's assassinated, it's disturbing, but this was particularly disturbing for me.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Okay jeje. I've got a few text messages next, and
then we're going to go into all of the location information.
So I could go probably another fifteen to twenty minutes
and get through the text, or we could stop now
whatever the court prefers. Yes, sir. Was there also phone
communication that showed Donna Edelson's venting to Charlie Aiedelson about

(17:42):
Wendy Aedelson's custody battle. Yes, now around the same date
as this last email we saw October of twenty thirteen.
In this text message, just Donna Aedelson say, horrible evening
for your sister and for us that I finally had
to walk outside to lower's blood pressure. Just awful. I

(18:03):
can't even explain that's correct. Who is she sending that
to to Charlie Abelson?

Speaker 6 (18:08):
What does he say?

Speaker 12 (18:09):
So?

Speaker 2 (18:09):
This is slide sixty six. As we continue in the
slide sixty seven with the rest she indicates, Donna Abelson
indicates that she's on the way back to Wendy's house
with only one of the children, and Charlie responds, I bet,
let's talk this week.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Okay, So she doesn't go any any more detail here,
but she's describing how stressed to Wendy is and that's
causing that a lot of stress and it's just awful
for her too.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
That's correct.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
And this would have been at that same time. We're
around the same time as the last email, about two
weeks before Halloween.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
So I'm going to skip past this. But here, here's
where I went into. Actually she's freaking out about Wendy's house,
but she's gonna stay in tallahasse See.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Here Markel has given a permission all of those things.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Okay, And what's next? Is he afraid that Dan Markel
will hold this against Wendy Adelson, like basically like, well,
now you've purchased a home here he would yes, and
use it as a leverage. Correct, what's next? And he
says he'll try her again, but basically Wendy never gets

(19:17):
back to him. Basically correct, All right, what's next?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
So we see again this is October thirtieth. We're on
slide seventy two. Now that Charlie Aedelson sends a message
to Wendy stating that he would call her in ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Okay, what's next?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
He again later responds that he must talk to her
to please call him, and she responds that she's in
court she can call after four.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Going through the text, does it seem like eventually they talk? Yes, okay,
can you close? So they're still setting up a time
to check everything's okay?

Speaker 6 (19:49):
What's next?

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Does he then report back to Donna Agelson?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yes, so we're on slide seventy five here October thirty First,
Charlie is speaking to Donna, texting with Donna, stating that
he had spoke to Wendy and thinks that he had
made some headway having a good time lovacation.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Answer, okay, so the phone call between Wendy and Charlie
would have happened before this message tomorrow or doctor?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
That's correct?

Speaker 6 (20:12):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (20:13):
And how does she respond? Well, I'm sorry? So then
does Charlie check back in with Wendy? He does, yes, okay,
and tell us about that conversation.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
He asked how she's feeling and gives her some general
advice and tells her that he loves her.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
And does that advice involve rending things as opposed to
buying them?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's correct?

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Okay, it says I love you.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Okay, I think we move on, Oh to this note
render Okay, So I think I'm missing a part of
this video.

Speaker 14 (20:50):
Okay, Bill, I've skipped through it.

Speaker 15 (21:07):
Hey, go, I want to give you this.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Listen good, don't be scared.

Speaker 16 (21:13):
Listen.

Speaker 17 (21:13):
I want to let you know that we know that
your family taken care of Katy and her friend too
Good for quite some time, having her problem about North
has fab And I want to let you know that.

Speaker 18 (21:26):
My brother, he's incarcerated, and he helped your family with
this problem.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Gods had North, and we don't want to make sure
that he's going.

Speaker 7 (21:34):
Through some rough times, and we don't want to make
sure that you.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Take care of what he's going through the way you're
taking care of Kadi and he.

Speaker 14 (21:46):
Well, this will explain it.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
So weird the way she says, I don't know what
you're talking about, and then she doesn't look at the paper.
So bizarre. I mean, I guess that's the thing you're
gonna have to say. I don't know what you huh?
Oh is the right answer. What she sounds, she does

(22:16):
sound actually scared out of her mind for herself.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
Say okay, my grandchildren have my phone before so.

Speaker 19 (22:34):
I am.

Speaker 20 (22:38):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
Before stretch it and cold okay.

Speaker 20 (22:48):
Left the message on my on my voicemail.

Speaker 7 (22:50):
Right, this is my problem. You approached me on the
Holton Road. You handed me and article from the newspaper
that that's my ex son in law. You told me
I need to call you and help your friends.

Speaker 20 (23:08):
Who live in prison.

Speaker 21 (23:10):
Now.

Speaker 22 (23:10):
At the time you did that, I didn't understand what
you were talking about.

Speaker 7 (23:16):
I didn't call you back. Then you mail me a
threatening letter.

Speaker 22 (23:22):
Then you send me a text message to my phone
and said I'm not taking you seriously.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
So I am taking you serious certain and I really
want you to listen to me. I have to tell you,
I mean this is important. I have been so stressed out.

Speaker 22 (23:45):
I have spoken to ten or twelve people who are
close friends of mine, telling them about this and basically
picking their brains and asking them what I.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Should do, because how does Charlie keep this stray phrase
through that. It always makes me laugh every time I've
spoken to twenty of my closest friends. I passed around
the bumps letter to twenty of my closest friends and
they all think that clearly, clearly they have the wrong.

(24:19):
Don Aitelson to twelve people right, exactly. It's so silly.
I needed do people have ten to twelve close friends,
like one or two close friends, and that there's a aquaitances.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
All right, I don't know your friend who is in jail.
I don't you mentioned your name. I don't even know
your name. I never sposted him. I don't know what
you woke for. I can never meet them. I'm sorry
your friends in jail, but I don't know what that
has to do with me.

Speaker 20 (25:00):
If you know, you know exactly what it has to
do with do you know exactly? Listen to me. You got,
you just got, you just got to listen to me.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
You who just curtain looks like what their name is something?
Because I know there's a big reward out there, and
if you need money for your friends, that's the way
it gets. I mean, I'm asking nicely. I don't know
who he is. I am out of the look. It isn't.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
Right.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
That's a good point. None of my friends would lie
for me. Tator says, it's a good point. I thought
that was one of the more fascinating parts of her trial.
I don't I don't know. I don't know how you
guys felt about it. Let me know. So I thought
their friends testifying was fascinating. They were clearly lying for

(25:57):
and just sort of know they sort of like vulture,
sort of nosing around for any extra money they can
make off of their off of their friend quote unquote stragedy. Oh,
So I was eating a spare rib. Who he cracked
a tooth? And who could we call Harvey? Maybe we

(26:20):
could get a good price going to Harvey. So I thought,
I don't know what you guys thought about.

Speaker 12 (26:27):
It me.

Speaker 7 (26:29):
If I can help, I would help.

Speaker 18 (26:31):
I mean, like, just like I told you, listen to me,
just like I told you that day. We know what
We know that that your family had a problem of north.
We know that that problem was taking care of about
a year and a half two years ago, and we
know that Katie has been taken care of. It has

(26:51):
been taken care of now now my brother, my brother
in jail, we weren't Broadway together.

Speaker 20 (26:57):
He told me the whole thing, and he had ben
hating care.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
I mean, it must be nice, like you crack a
tooth on vacation. I crack it. I'm calling my insurance immediately.
How do I do this? And the most inexpensive way
possible They're like, oh, let's just call Addy dentist. Do
we know dentist around here? So crazy?

Speaker 17 (27:29):
You know, now we're all this being asked for is
five five K because we're asking for it.

Speaker 20 (27:37):
Was five K.

Speaker 23 (27:38):
And he told me everything, and I know everything. I
know who's involved. I know everything, and I'll get the
hungry K for myself. You know, as to send a
five K.

Speaker 20 (27:51):
Everybody knows what's going on.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
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(28:16):
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Speaker 7 (28:31):
You know you're saying everyone knows. I know I lost
my ex son in law. I did not have anything
to do with it.

Speaker 17 (28:39):
That's why I said, ask him, that's what that's that's now,
that's what's not. My brother's as he told me everything
when we were in jail. He told me everything and
who was involved. I know everything.

Speaker 7 (28:53):
Well I don't. That's the problem. I am telling you.
It's not me, not me. I have had a year
of aggregation, a year and a half of aggrobation over there,
my daughter, my grandchildren. It is not me. And when
I asked my friends what do they think, they said, well,

(29:15):
this person needs to get the description of you.

Speaker 20 (29:18):
Because what should look like?

Speaker 7 (29:20):
Or it's not me. I don't know who cause it
wanted me.

Speaker 12 (29:28):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 20 (29:31):
Just just just like that day when I spoke to you,
this is not going away? Is it not going to
go away? It's not told me everything. He wasn't being
taken care of. He needed the five K.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
That five k.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
It wasn't me. You just happened to know that there
seems to be a some kind of conspiracy going out
of my life. Just coincidentally, you might have the wrong
Donna Edelson, who also has a murderer by higher conspiracy
going on. It's not me, it's not me. I love that.

(30:11):
It isn't me. It isn't me. It's like a child
the most, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (30:17):
The poll we were asking for, don't do that.

Speaker 7 (30:23):
I don't know who that is.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
I mean, it's Donna saying that the jurors didn't deliberate
and like she did with Charlie. Right, I'm surprised Donna
didn't didn't didn't testify, I really did. I really thought
she would, with all her testifying she did in those
pre trial hearings, et cetera. I thought she would testify.

(30:49):
But once they brought in the snitches and they showed
the script, I guess it's over. It's a little hard
to testify.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
But.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
And they didn't use Charlie. Those are the big disappointments
of the trial for me. I really wanted to see
her testify and Charlie testify again. I mean, what happened
in support of his mother? At least you have someone
supporting your story. I know he's in prison, but come on,

(31:23):
I wonder I really would love to know from the
defense team what happened there. You know, here Charlie comes
takes a trip. I mean, was the plan never to
use him and they just wanted to get him some
fast food and a trip to Tallahassee to a nicer
jail for a little bit. Was it a whole ruse

(31:46):
to get Charlie a vacation? I don't know. It's odd
at the last hour. And what was also interesting about
her trial was how Jackie full for It was really
in control of everything and Zelman was like not even

(32:07):
an undercook, like not even a Sioux chep, like a
the Capai legal or something. You just seemed to have
no clue as to what was going on with the
whole defense. When Donna had to testify, they asked Donna

(32:29):
and she was conferring with Jackie Fulford and Zalman was
just there, like just sitting there like as part of
the gallery. Almost. It was odd.

Speaker 18 (32:42):
We know whose Tuttle is, but you know who Katie is,
and you know that Ki has.

Speaker 20 (32:53):
Okay, you know who k is, and you know.

Speaker 18 (32:56):
That Katie has somebody that knows style and they and
they took care of a problem for your people.

Speaker 24 (33:03):
That's just a bottom line is you know that.

Speaker 20 (33:16):
They took care of Katie and her people. Nobody's taking
care of Tattle.

Speaker 18 (33:21):
I know you don't know who Tatle is, but we
know we know who old you are, and they going away.

Speaker 20 (33:31):
You know what so I can give you that you want?

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Is that what it is? Castle Girl? He just ultimately refused.
Did he say he would take the fifth. Is that
what happened, didn't I mean, we didn't even have a
hearing about it outside of the presence of the jury.
But how is how is telling the same story you
told a trial can affect can affect your appeal? Excuse me?

Speaker 7 (34:00):
Need to do? You need to go?

Speaker 20 (34:02):
I don't tell me what to do. I know what
to do and I'm doing it.

Speaker 7 (34:05):
You're looking for money, get a hundred thousand dollars or
whatever the what you.

Speaker 19 (34:09):
Call it, whatever the reward is, it isn't me. You
have got the wrong person. That's why I said, ask
your friends.

Speaker 20 (34:18):
You're Donna, your Donna Adelson.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
Yes, I am, Yes, I am.

Speaker 20 (34:26):
Well I know we know it was involved in all this.

Speaker 12 (34:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
I don't find that really interesting too. Here's what you
need to do, Ana, Right, she's saying, here's what you
need to do. It's like, don't tell me what to do.
But here's Donna controlling am. So it's a little bit
of a problem when you say that your defense is
that you were in so in fear. When you're taking
control of the conversation saying here's what you need to do,

(34:56):
she's telling him off. So for she plays like the
kindly old grandmother. I'm sorry, sorry, Hello? Is this the
rough and tumble?

Speaker 9 (35:09):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Is this the is this the is this the guy
I met from the street trying to extort me? Is
this the Latin king member? Oh, it's just with my grandchildren.
Like he's gonna be like, oh, this is a grandmother, layoff.
I was just dealing with my grandchildren. And sorry, yes, sorry,

(35:32):
I didn't call you back. It's my grandchildren in the
way of me dealing with this modha situation here? What
did she talked to her ten twelve closest friends. Then
then she's telling him it isn't me, it isn't me.
And then she's telling him what to do to go

(35:54):
to the police, like what with a total poker face?
What upfront? She's like having your fingers crossed everything. Please
don't please don't go to the police and get the
money if you think you know something. But maybe she
felt like her the Weinstein's and everyone else that she

(36:18):
knew was a judge, we're going to protect her. I mean,
we don't really know how deep this protection went, because
the first DA said he was going to end it
in the prosecution at the at Katie so all the
poor people go to prison and the rich people paid

(36:38):
for it walk away free. And this is what I
think the obsession. I don't want to bring back the
trolls into the common section, but I think the obsession
with Wendy getting arrested is that she benefited the most
from this crime. She has her children, she I mean,
her life has been pretty care free, except for the

(37:02):
fact that she's a social pariah, and she hasn't had
the career that she was really groomed to have or
the life. But still she has a boyfriend, she has
her children, she has a job, and it's just so
a psychopath. I don't think she's too bothered that people

(37:25):
point and stare and say, there's the murderer. I don't know.
You tell me what you think her attitude towards all
this is. But she did look weary and scared coming
into testify this time and trying to align herself as
much with the prosecution as she could. It was a
very different Wendy than we'd seen previous trials.

Speaker 20 (37:52):
Is not knowing.

Speaker 7 (37:52):
I mean, if you want the money you should get
from the police, they can give you a whole lot
more than than your some money for someone.

Speaker 19 (38:01):
I just I can't do this. I have had too
much stress and too much.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Aggregation latinking customer service. May I help you? Yeah, I
hear you have a fantastic you have a fantastic payment plan.
Can you help me? Give you help me? I just
want to pay off a murder that was actually it

(38:28):
was not done by hire. It was done on spec.
They just thought maybe I'd like it done, and then
they came back and then as extorted me for the money.
I hear you have a great extortion payment plan, very reasonable,
like two thousand dollars would be nothing like not even
a headache for Charlie Aedelson at that time. He was

(38:50):
making so much money strangely after the murder. That was
an interesting thing that his friend tests I don't know
if he testified to it or that he told Judy
in a legal focus in his interview Ryan Fitzpatrick that

(39:15):
Charlie Edelson had all these side hustles because his business
really went down after the murder for hire, like being
a dentist possibly involved in murder wasn't after twenty sixteen,
wasn't such a good look. And that's when he got
all those odd maybe illegal side hustles allegedly illegal side hustles.

(39:39):
What do you want to call them?

Speaker 7 (39:40):
And I don't know what you are talking about. I
just don't know. I just don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Good.

Speaker 18 (39:49):
I think you should talk the Katie, talk people that.

Speaker 7 (39:52):
Are involved in it.

Speaker 20 (39:53):
You'll know, do you know? Do you know what's going on? Boy?
You tell me.

Speaker 14 (40:02):
You know?

Speaker 20 (40:05):
But I know you know because I.

Speaker 23 (40:07):
Know because I heard it when I was locked up
and brown with my with my brother.

Speaker 18 (40:11):
He told me everything, everything, he told me everything. I
just wanted to take tak care with her fucking pluto.

Speaker 7 (40:27):
I just think.

Speaker 19 (40:28):
I just think instead of asking me, you should get
the money from the police. There's a lot of money
out there. And I know if you think you know
who this isn't, then then go ahead and do it
because I know it isn't me.

Speaker 20 (40:42):
I know if it isn't me.

Speaker 7 (40:44):
And I can't take this kind of level a stress.
I just can't. I know, I didn't do any things.

Speaker 20 (40:54):
The one you talk to people, you talk to the
right people, you talk to people, you make this five
K come to me. That's all I need to do
it and get it to me. Do it and get
it to me.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
Yeah, Okay, So here we have Donna make.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
She did look rough when man's trash. I know we're
all getting older, myself included. I'm certainly not looking any
younger these days. But yeah, Wendy did look rough, and
she wondered if she was pregnant. She did look puffy. No,
she's older, but it would be a fad plan to
make the prosecutor look like a monster, kind of Diane
Down's move. Get pregnant for sympathy. Maybe interesting case call?

Speaker 25 (41:53):
Correct, and she refers the undercover to get the reward
to the police, to get the.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
Reward, all right? Yes?

Speaker 25 (42:01):
And then does she also report these incidents and what's
been happening to law enforcement at that time?

Speaker 16 (42:08):
No?

Speaker 25 (42:08):
Man, does anybody report these incidents and what's been happening
and the stalking and harassment that's been going on?

Speaker 6 (42:16):
Does anybody report that to law enforcement?

Speaker 10 (42:19):
Not at all.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
Do we have any evidence that Donna Aleson reported that
the under.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
So isn't that interesting? Donna recorded the call, But look
at Charlie scanning the jury at the end there. Did
anybody notice that at the end they're really damning things.
It's looking to the jury going, I hope they're not
taking this in I hope they're day dreaming, think about
something else.

Speaker 25 (42:49):
And then does she also report these incidents and what's
been happening to law enforcement at that time?

Speaker 9 (42:56):
No?

Speaker 25 (42:56):
Man, does anybody report these sentence and what's been happening
and the stalking and harassment that's been going on.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
Does anybody report that to law enforcement?

Speaker 9 (43:07):
No?

Speaker 6 (43:07):
Not at all.

Speaker 8 (43:09):
Do we have any evidence that Donna Adelson reported that book.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
He looks a lot rougher and tougher rough around the edges,
Charlie Aedelson, And he's eating like a I was like,
who taught you did? Eat like that? Like a pig
in the back of the police fan. So all the

(43:34):
all the kind of finer you know, higher learning and
a kid is gone. It's like very rough, Charlie Adelson.
Did anyone else think that? But there goes the heavy

(43:57):
blinking in the looking at the jury like he's paying
attention to this. Oh, here's Donna brings new meaning to
laundered money. And then he put it in the massing.

Speaker 6 (44:11):
How was your cut of the money packaged?

Speaker 4 (44:16):
It wasn't like a cut, it was just basically it
was in a bag, in a plastic bag, grocery bag
and I believed it was like a paper bag and
then a ziplock bag inside it.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
All right, So the inner inner thing was a ziplock bag.

Speaker 15 (44:30):
Yes, man.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
When you opened the.

Speaker 8 (44:33):
Ziplock bag, did you notice that the money was stapled together?
Did you notice something else unusual about the money at
that moment?

Speaker 4 (44:44):
I didn't when I opened it, But a couple of
days after the bag it was wet and starting to move.

Speaker 6 (44:52):
The money itself was damp to the touch, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
All right?

Speaker 6 (44:56):
And did you ever mention that back to Charlie Aylsen.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
I'm pretty sure I contacted him and told him why
is the money what?

Speaker 6 (45:05):
What do you mean? Pretty sure that I didn't? Okay?

Speaker 8 (45:09):
And when you contacted and said the money's wet or
you just mentioned to him the money's wet.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Did he have a response, yes, man, to tell me
that his mom watched.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
The money, but she physically washed the money.

Speaker 20 (45:21):
Yes, so you got.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
So.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
I've never thought about this before. So did Donna hand
the money in whatever way? And did Charlie recounted and
stable it? He must have, right, because Donna's not stabling
her money. That's Charlie, right. So anyone thought this through?

(45:52):
So Donna must have watched it, hand it over. He
must have known it. He must have known what she called.
And it's like, I'm sure the mold didn't happen till
a little bit later when he got it was probably
just wet. I'm just trying to imagine him with all
these guns and being paranoid and counting it out and

(46:15):
stapling it. If you dry money, does it? You know
it doesn't shrink, right, because everybody's watched a dollar bill
or something in your pocket. She didn't have time to
put it in the dryer.

Speaker 26 (46:29):
I guess, yeah, nothing because there, Yeah, she's never what

(47:07):
doesn't come over said.

Speaker 19 (47:09):
I need to talk to you.

Speaker 11 (47:13):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 13 (47:16):
It like trual a.

Speaker 21 (47:23):
Big walk mm hmm.

Speaker 12 (47:26):
She sat down on the couch right there, and I
used sitting here, and she didn't say, this is a
horrible time for all of us. They're always got trouble
for like all abrimated but bins thinking, okay, just stat
there's suicidal. I'm gonna be correct you.

Speaker 27 (47:51):
My god, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 12 (47:53):
I'm fine the boys tomorrow night.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
I think she said, I'm going to section you. This
is not exactly correct. This, this is like what the
machine hears these subtitles as sectioned you, it says, I'm
going to correct you have it as sectioned you. Someone
was actually offended that I was wondering out loud how

(48:18):
Donna kept her accent, her strong New York accent that
strong from living in Florida for all those years. Someone
was actually upset. They're like, don't you know that everybody
knows that after if you move after this age, you're

(48:39):
going to keep your accent. Cat Door phoned the hit
the Like everyone. My dad was a native New Yorker.
He moved I guess his thirties, you know, out of
the city, and he didn't have he lost it. So

(48:59):
I don't know. Maybe it depends on how good your
ear is. Leslie loves October essays cat Door fun Hit
the Like everyone. Thank you, Weslie oh Man.

Speaker 21 (49:11):
Yes, something nice.

Speaker 12 (49:13):
Yeah. I want to go to sleep and not see
my son. I do perfectly, honest. I do we do
it together.

Speaker 20 (49:27):
Leave the note.

Speaker 27 (49:28):
I'll know when to come in here and we'll do
it together.

Speaker 16 (49:32):
The boy.

Speaker 12 (49:33):
Look, I'm going to make a decision at some point
after speaking to them this morning, annoying what they're thinking
up there. I don't know if we'll make it out
in clime. It really don't. But then said your mind
or you might do all of bit sick to.

Speaker 20 (49:50):
The airport.

Speaker 12 (49:52):
And that could happen.

Speaker 27 (49:54):
It could happen.

Speaker 12 (49:55):
I don't know, but it's worth a try it. I
try to try to try to.

Speaker 19 (50:03):
I don't know what it's doing.

Speaker 21 (50:05):
Just sust it.

Speaker 7 (50:06):
But I don't know what I'm doing.

Speaker 20 (50:07):
And and we we have to.

Speaker 15 (50:10):
The will.

Speaker 13 (50:13):
With that.

Speaker 26 (50:13):
What was this?

Speaker 12 (50:15):
I want both with sticulations.

Speaker 27 (50:21):
It just sings in charge of.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Um hm.

Speaker 21 (50:28):
In a truck and there going in as the intent
and the trust. I want the trusted VI sart anything
like three Y would be watching beat to pay yea.

Speaker 12 (50:58):
So it makes an effort to fund.

Speaker 27 (51:03):
And I could stig here with you and say he
would you do that?

Speaker 12 (51:09):
If I can't because there was so tell her that George,
I don't know how.

Speaker 27 (51:20):
To get in touch with her. So I said, let
me ask George.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
So said.

Speaker 12 (51:29):
Fund and told me to call her lawyer about And
that's not about the case. I have said, sure m
h when I said I just got off with trolley.

Speaker 20 (51:47):
He's worried about you.

Speaker 12 (51:48):
He wants to know what oh, because I said, yeah,
you never We know you never asked anything about your brother,
and she doesn't. And she told me it's because her
lawyer said she shouldn't ask. We found out it's not true.

Speaker 21 (52:00):
But we just got off the phone with him, and
I never told her that.

Speaker 12 (52:09):
No, So I wrote this last night. We know you
never asked anything about your brother. This is eight o'clock
last night. But we just got off the phone with him,
and the first thing he asked was, how's Wendy holding up.
I didn't have the heart to tell him that you
never called us or asked about him. I just said
we weren't got to phone calls right now. Everyone looks

(52:31):
to protect you. I bet you've got a lot to
think about. But then she answer. But then I got
another call from Charlie night and I said, just got
off the phone with Charlie. He's worried about you. He
wants to know why we didn't speak. I told him
a lie. I said, we're only speaking with you and
Jan right now. I couldn't bear to tell him the truth.

(52:52):
Your sister never even called us, is the truth. So
she said this morning, I thought she'd be racing over
here last night. Dear Mom, I know you are upset
by the verdict, but the anger directed at me is
not justified. I don't know how much anger we don't.

(53:15):
I'm not responsible in any way for Charlie's situation. I
am not guilty because I did not do anything wrong
and I was involved in any way with Danny's death.
When I was interviewed by the police and testified in court,
I told the truth as I was required to do.
I cannot control how the prosecutor use my state with
the Charlie's trial. Again, I didn't say that. Also, as

(53:36):
you know, I do know my lawyer has advised me
not to talk to my family or anyone else about
this case. No about the case, which is truly has
never done it. I followed his advice, despite your disagreements
with this guidance. So you do not text me about
this case anymore. Not about the case is not what
I said. That's a brother and that he wants to

(53:57):
How are you, Wendy, how's my sister hold enough? If
you have anything further to say about the case, please
go through our lawyers right now. I have to be
singularly focused on taking care of the boys during this
difficult time, So I wrote back, Okay, we have no
desire to speak with you about the case. I guess

(54:18):
Jed and I are just shocked that you didn't think
of coming to see us or even calling us. We
are your parents. We are and have always been there
for you and the boys. None of what we wrote
matters about the case. That's over. I just want you
to know how many times Charlie is asked me about you.
Not only do you not ask about us, but not
one question about Charlie right.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Right.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
We just want to know how you're doing. We just
want to know how you are. Your old mother just
wants to know how you are. And I love that
they're so surprised that Wendy lied to them when they're
they taught her how to do that. I mean, it's
a family of lies.

Speaker 12 (55:04):
We will need to give you some information shortly, and
we need some business assistance. Please let us know if
you can be of any help. I have to stay here.
I want to be proposed.

Speaker 27 (55:16):
We're going to be gone.

Speaker 12 (55:17):
I want her to have all this information. I have
a mimitary property. I want her to see all that.
I want her to have all these papers and the wills.
I want her to see all this, so please let
us know if you can be of any help. The
other thing is the visa, which she would know about
the no, I said, we need we need some business assistance.
Please let us know. If not, we'll try to find

(55:43):
someone who can help us. This needs an immediate reply
so I can start asking other people to help. And
then she always gets nervous if we want to talk
to her, So I wrote, don't get nervous again. Nothing
in capital letters, nothing about the case. Just would like
to show you some business stuff, personal thing. If you
can't do it, we must find someone who can. I

(56:04):
hope you understand that it has nothing to do with
the case. There is no more case. And then I wrote,
by the way, you said, you have to focus on
the boys.

Speaker 14 (56:12):
Have you told them?

Speaker 4 (56:14):
So?

Speaker 12 (56:14):
When I got doors before, he said to him.

Speaker 27 (56:18):
He says I was over there last night.

Speaker 12 (56:20):
I said, well, I asked Wendy, but it hasn't gotten
any words from her. So did you tell the boy?
Said he did? Now I know Ben was very close.

Speaker 27 (56:31):
She was writing to Joey ol Oh. I said, how
are the Ben very quiet? I mean it most harm.

Speaker 12 (56:41):
If it's like thing kind of face it and so
we really coming home when you think never coming back.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
So he said, it's the ten minutes, and this is
one of Donna's last days and in them as a
free woman too. Does she know it or does she
think she's gonna get away with it. I think she's
telling herself she's gonna sound so surprised that she has

(57:11):
a warrant out for arrest, that these stupid people in
Tallahassee actually outsmarted her. That's what it looks like. We're
going to get into arrest soon the end of this.
But I mean the last time. I mean, it's just
Wendy and Harvey. That's it. I mean, Robert turned them

(57:34):
all in essentially. I mean, that's it. That's what's left
of this perfect family. It's kind of amazing. I have
two people doing life and life in prison from murder,
a mother and a son. I mean not the first
time in American history, unfortunately, but wow, it was shocking.

(58:03):
My mother called me, she was shocked she got convicted
and so quickly.

Speaker 12 (58:11):
And he was in sagestable.

Speaker 27 (58:14):
He's a child, That's okay.

Speaker 12 (58:16):
I want I don't want to say them miserable and upset.
That's not my goal. I just want to know how
were it. So that's when I said earlier to George
because it was technical stuff that I couldn't do on
the computer. I think just because we were out of it.
So he's a computer.

Speaker 27 (58:32):
Text the person.

Speaker 12 (58:33):
So I said, can you help me with some computer
stuff that I can't get done? And he was on
some business calls and so that he checked me just
before I can beat at maybe five five thirty with
best the good I said yes, But if I can
get the stuff done, then it's no.

Speaker 27 (58:50):
I told, we have the.

Speaker 12 (58:53):
Photo, we have to get them downloaded. And the other thing.
I don't understand how I got it looking it up
over and over because things change if there is extradition
from Vietnam, because.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
I loved doing Her friend Annie Cunningham said she knew
nothing about extradition when there's clearly text messages that she
was in on it. I mean, she told she asked
everyone about the extradition like she wasn't sure if something
had changed, maybe on the internet. She wanted to be

(59:31):
so sure there was no extradition because that way she
could come back easier. Remember that on her own terms,
she could come back and face the law. You know
how difficult it is. It's not impossible to bring people
back from non extradition countries. It's just very expensive and
very difficult and it takes a long time. Other than that,

(01:00:00):
so okay, curious, let me actually start a start a poll.
What you guys are thinking? Hold on one second, but

(01:00:26):
so do you think? No, I don't want to start a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Q and A.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
I want to start a poll.

Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
Hold on one second.

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
Do you think that if Donna, if Donna had gone
to Vietnam, had made it to Vietnam, that they would
have brought her back they had spent the Do you
think that the Tallahassee would have spent the money to
bring her back? I guess in Harvey had made it

(01:01:03):
to Vietnam, have been abroad back like, yes, they would.

(01:01:29):
Now it was too much, it was too financially expensive,
too much trouble. And I'm not even gonna put don't know.
If you don't know, just don't don't answer the phone.
I mean, nobody knows. It's a guess. I'm just I
wonder I think they would. I think we'd be hearing

(01:01:50):
these long just be like another ten year saga, and
it would be kind of like a Robert Durr situation
where Donna would be tried and would maybe expire shortly thereafter.

Speaker 27 (01:02:06):
Places.

Speaker 12 (01:02:06):
I mean, I could go to Korea and China, but
there's no extradition. But looking for places it's no extradition.

Speaker 16 (01:02:14):
Whoop?

Speaker 27 (01:02:15):
Really good? Maybe she knows what that. Maybe she can
look up the extradition is.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Before she wastes her time. How long I mean it took.
I think I looked up non extradition countries. It takes
two seconds. How bad is she at computers? I think
she's just so nervous that she's going to choose wrongly
and that there's going to be some loophole. That's what
she's worried about, some loophole. Something has changed. Maybe she knows,

(01:02:47):
I mean it takes two minutes to look up what
countries don't have extradition with the US.

Speaker 21 (01:02:55):
How if you men are, you're gonna.

Speaker 12 (01:03:05):
Tell yourself before me?

Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
Rockford's so funny, Thank you for the laugh. Said they
were definitely coming back for the bar Mitzvah. Right, Yeah,
they were coming back for the bum mitzvah.

Speaker 13 (01:03:19):
Had the dress and then they could bury me in
the dress after the bum Mitzvah. I'm not gonna buy
a dress and not get good use out of it.
I'm gonna wear it to the bum mitzvah and then
they can bury me in it. It's got very useful.
It was very expensive.

Speaker 27 (01:03:40):
And I need to tell you something.

Speaker 12 (01:03:42):
As as an attorney who doesn't doesn't talk, it has
nothing to do.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
With that's my favorite as an attorney. As an attorney
who doesn't talk, who doesn't talk, those attorneys, they don't talk.
They're mute. When you pass the ball, you lose your
ability to speak. They don't talk. They don't have big mouths.

Speaker 27 (01:04:10):
That cake. It just has to do with mom and
I and some decisions that we have to make.

Speaker 12 (01:04:17):
Yeah, I know you want to bring her up and
show her where everything is to get it's a plane crash.
No one's going to know where anything is or who
belongs to us. So I would like her to come
up here so she can see it. I don't think
that's asking too much. She canna live three hours a
week every time she says, can you do this? Can
you come here to you to do everything? But how

(01:04:38):
many times do we have plans as I really can't
and have to cancel. Wendy needs us for this, Wendy
needs us to baby sit. So we've been really good
nanny's and I guess that our job is up because
now the boys are older and they can go out
with friends.

Speaker 27 (01:04:50):
They can do things on her.

Speaker 12 (01:04:51):
Own, so she doesn't need grandma and grandma. Okay, pretty hurtful.
Has one son that it'll speak with.

Speaker 27 (01:05:00):
A sudden close my daughter whom I love, doing this.
I don't get it. Don't get it, I said, and
care of it anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
That is that is a great piece of dramatic acting
by Donna. I have one son who I don't talk to.

Speaker 13 (01:05:27):
I have one son who's close to dead, and I
have a daughter who I love who's doing this. I
said to Hobby, I swear to God, a family's coast gast.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
You kind of like see your like almost like collapse
on the stage and then the applause comes. I mean
it's so it's so over the top. I mean you
can hear this in her calls with Charlie. Is that
she'll start she'll start a crying, like really crying, and
you'll start to feel badly for her, and then she'll

(01:06:05):
be like hello, Hello. Is the connection that if something
will happen and she can talk full voice. The whole
act is gone to crying. The tears are cut off
in a second. It's very similar to Wendy and her
fake puffing and puffing, you know, uneven breathing that she does.

Speaker 21 (01:06:34):
Mhm h.

Speaker 20 (01:07:11):
Because of.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
Who's that calling? You think that they say who calls?
I mean they were so insulated at this point. I
mean there's one testimony from Gutterson, Annie's partner, Annie Cunningham's
partner where he says I gave him the house and

(01:07:36):
he says to keep them away from bloggers. I don't
think there's anybody who's bothering the Aedelsn's who's interested in
this case that I know of, like actively pursuing them,
contact with them. So I think it was just to

(01:07:57):
get them away from the police. An arrest, that's what
Donna was worried about. And arrest, I think bloggers. I mean,
you can read and oh, you know who didn't testify?
Scott Radius. We never saw Scott Radius. There's another disappointment
in Donna's trial. All those emails that came in from

(01:08:20):
Harvey to Scott Radius. I guess they felt like they
proved that he didn't testify to them back and forth
with Harvey. Huh, that's interesting that never came in. Scott Radius,
he was on the witness list, never testified you did.

Speaker 27 (01:08:44):
You need to get an address to put on the basis.

Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
But my point is in that those emails was Scott
Radius and Harvey. Scott Radius says, I know you probably
don't want to have your address out there, and Harvey's
like that, everyone knows where I live. My address is public.
Don't worry about it. Anybody who's interested in the case
knows where I am. Kind of thing. It was very

(01:09:19):
They weren't really worried about bloggers, so what else would
they be worried about. It would be arrests, be the
popo coming for Donna. That's what they were worried about.
I mean, Annie and Kiran or like accessories. Really you
think about it, I mean their testimony was so unbelievable.

(01:09:42):
Oh they were she was going to that bar mitzvah.
I mean, it's just like just what they're comfortable lying about,
that they didn't know anything about extradition and that Donna
was coming back. I mean, it's just like what they
felt were white lies, small lies to try to help
Donna get off, and who knows if they were getting

(01:10:04):
paid or just being in the orbit. I don't know,
but it seems like Annie Cunningham is very much like Donna,
one of these women who likes the criminal life, likes
the excitement of it. Don't you think that's what I
thought of her? She liked being involved in something criminal,

(01:10:28):
criminal trial. I mean, she's just beaming up there on
the stand. I know she was trying to be likable,
but yeah, I don't know. Perjury is hard to prove,

(01:11:01):
k h. This is when they're just realizing that they're
getting caught on the phone. Let's move forward. I don't
know why I kept this? Why did I keep this in?

Speaker 28 (01:11:24):
Okay, sorry yourself, I don't want to give it to you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Why don't Why would have said that fas thest I
have to.

Speaker 6 (01:11:57):
Go away, you have to go.

Speaker 7 (01:11:59):
You don't have a where?

Speaker 12 (01:12:00):
Let me help you?

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Also to say please don't.

Speaker 20 (01:12:04):
Take the bags outside?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Okay, years old, you can't, I can't, can I go?

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
You can't?

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Oh don't you please.

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
Kind of help him get home?

Speaker 12 (01:12:19):
That's terrible.

Speaker 6 (01:12:23):
Get onto that point.

Speaker 12 (01:12:26):
They we do.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Please you that you can't us not go an see.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
You have anything in your no, no, do you have
anything value you.

Speaker 20 (01:12:46):
Can take? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
Take it off.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
I mean she really looks like just so medicated here,
doesn't she.

Speaker 12 (01:13:20):
Have a walk?

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Never a thank you? Never please, never thank you. I
mean they're they're just there to to serve her water
like a baby. Thank thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:13:57):
You know, you know how long we're going to in?

Speaker 12 (01:14:00):
How long we're going to sit here?

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
And do you know when he comes back, he's going
to take you from here to the.

Speaker 16 (01:14:11):
Okay, whatever information took from you, I guess that's what
we're listening to.

Speaker 21 (01:14:14):
You gonna hint it out about.

Speaker 26 (01:14:16):
Okay, So the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Next place is what the warrant?

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
What are you saying?

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
What did you say?

Speaker 16 (01:14:23):
The next place was the brons.

Speaker 20 (01:14:25):
What happened is the warrant that they have to move.

Speaker 7 (01:14:28):
From out of Leon County?

Speaker 11 (01:14:32):
When did they issue with warrants?

Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
So what happened is we have to we.

Speaker 8 (01:14:35):
Have to take you, so I will warrant you for
that information to get injured and then not could not
get injured before we get take you to the.

Speaker 16 (01:14:44):
Yeah, okay, because I didn't know there was a warrant.

Speaker 28 (01:14:48):
How would I know that?

Speaker 12 (01:14:50):
Well, we wouldn't have been able to thank you if
you're willing something.

Speaker 16 (01:14:53):
To create, So aren't they supposed to implorm aren't they supposed.

Speaker 21 (01:14:58):
To afform it? There was a part.

Speaker 20 (01:15:02):
I don't want to beat problem.

Speaker 16 (01:15:03):
I can't hear that you had a Warren you uh,
you a gentleman, that you had a playing gold Yes, right,
if they were if they weren't supposed to imported or whatever.

Speaker 20 (01:15:16):
And then because it's because it's account of Warne, that's
how it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
Became from m hm okay, alright, yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:16:02):
I have and I come to this second rate.

Speaker 5 (01:18:44):
So that is the the end of the Donna compilation,
the beginning of the freakouts, the Moldy money. So let's
see where we're how we're doing on this. Sixty five
sixty four percent of you think that they would have

(01:19:05):
brought her back. Thirty six percent say no. Interesting, I'm
going to end that poll for today. I think they
would have brought her back.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
I do.

Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
Now, I don't know. I mean, is this the end?
Is this the end? I think it may be. I
think it may be. I don't know. Talking to lawyers,
it's very complicated. Proving that you didn't investigate or try
Wendy on anything that she had immunity under like anything

(01:19:42):
she testified to. But I don't know, We'll see. I'm
not a lawyer. It's very complicated. All those issues with
her limited limited use of community that she's been given
definitely complicates things. And if they are serious about indicting here,
I would think that they're have talked to or are

(01:20:02):
talking to a bunch of lawyers. But why wait, why wait?
I kind of think that I don't know. This is
where I am now. It's just my opinion. I thought
at the end of Donna's trial thought, wow, we're really
maybe moving towards it. Now I'm back to I think

(01:20:24):
Wendy's going to walk. I think this is the end.
And I think maybe that's why Georgia was so emotional
that this is the end. I mean, she'd probably be
stoned to death and she said, no, this is the end.
We're stopping here. I don't know. Maybe that's where I think.
That's where I am today. Changes every day, so I

(01:20:46):
know that there's a great interest and will for the
public to see it done. Has everyone sent off their
emails for Alison? I hope so it really takes just
a second. Just throw that up, right, da Wagstaff say

(01:21:07):
you'd like to see justice for Nancy. Please prosecute Nancy's murderer.
I think that that would be uh good thing to do,
all right.

Speaker 12 (01:21:24):
Let me.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
In this episode the way I in so many of
these episodes. And I gotta go take care of my
bestI girlfriend's kittie Kat. This is written to the Honorable
Judge Wheeler. I want to share the impacts of Dan
Markel's life and murder on me. His children and mine

(01:21:47):
are the same ages, and we would attend the same
Tallahassee Jewish community events if there was something to celebrate.
Dan was there with Benjamin and Lincoln. He brought in
an infectious energy for observing the passages of life, fully
president fully present in mind and spirit. He showed up

(01:22:09):
in joyful moments in times of sorrow, modeling for his
sons and for the rest of us too, what it
means to live a life oriented towards reverence, thoughtfulness, and justice.
And while he did so, a woman he had never met,
Catherine mcmanua, was quietly plotting how to kill him. I

(01:22:32):
observed the unmistakable value his life brought to the communities
he chose, and have seen the devastation. His murder delivered
just the same I witnessed up close the heartbreaking grief
of some of those closest to him, whose sense of

(01:22:53):
loss is profound and lasting. There is a missing space
where Dan, Benjamin and Lincoln once joined in. Dan had
so much left to create and give. Uncountable lives have
been forever changed for this selfish, terrible act. Respectfully, Karen Ciphers,

(01:23:23):
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Speaker 11 (01:23:59):
EVERYONEA what a speech.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
You're hid.

Speaker 15 (01:24:23):
You got it a murder because you wanted to raise
your daughter's kids.

Speaker 29 (01:24:29):
Tama has he's just to stop on the way to civilization.
In my heavy is where all the fancy people are.
The TV is about five. You can't get away from that.
Toto tato uh you know the guy you pay me.

(01:24:53):
Then you can't get away from that. Oh Hodna, what
a stitch your.

Speaker 15 (01:25:01):
You thought chill was just for the little people, but
now you're so blank.

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
It's with the locked up proof.

Speaker 29 (01:25:08):
Your grandmother is locked down and.

Speaker 15 (01:25:11):
You're one way ride to freedom your blood, O.

Speaker 29 (01:25:27):
Gona, Well the stitch your head, your family are exiled
from the social circles you swam in.

Speaker 15 (01:25:39):
We all know you never made that banana break, your.

Speaker 29 (01:25:43):
Offer to babysit for Dan, but you'll soon be makeing
license plates and thinking a babble could have been. Oh Gona,
you had to plan a.

Speaker 10 (01:25:56):
Murder, the.

Speaker 6 (01:26:12):
The flinging dose to.

Speaker 15 (01:26:18):
St at the pole, the pot, the

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
Dream, who ha

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