Donna Adelson's Hit List!

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Donna Agelson from Coral Springs, Florida.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I want to hear all about you, Donna.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Let's go well, I'm a domestic coordinator.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
A domestic coordinator.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Yes, I'm responsible for the activities, classes and lessons of
my son Robert, who was sixteen, Charlie who was twelve,
Whendy who was ten, my husband.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Harvey, who's in the audience, and my dog's Sam.

Speaker 5 (00:24):
All right?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
And how old is Sam?

Speaker 6 (00:25):
Five?

Speaker 5 (00:26):
Five? Cold?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Give my best ten?

Speaker 6 (00:28):
Nice to have your hair, cop and bottles work, don,
consonances are gonna be word's all. I'm glad to have
this again personally. Hasn't categories still your return letter beats hell?

Speaker 7 (00:42):
Help?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
No hel Donna, m yes, there are two ms. Let
him come up your five seconds person Ellen, okay, yes,
Kim H Mustard Maker, Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:09):
There's one age time starts now, mm hmm Donna, Yes, mister.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Nice h.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
You are listening to the ROBERTA.

Speaker 9 (01:41):
Glass True Crime Report, putting the true back in true crime.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
From New York City. ROBERTA. Glass is now on the record.

Speaker 10 (01:59):
M okay, how is everybody?

Speaker 11 (02:25):
Hello?

Speaker 9 (02:26):
Jane, Hello, Maestro, Hello Doris. Dark Side of the Moon
Beverly lawyer we're flying How Maya Wallace? How is everybody doing?

Speaker 5 (02:42):
So?

Speaker 9 (02:43):
I wanted to talk about Donna Edelson and her hit list.
Now she says this isn't true. We're gonna have to
wait to trial to see if it is true.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
But and the.

Speaker 9 (03:03):
Filings have been sealed for the most part. I'll show
you how this information is dealt with in the filings
in a second. But the allegation is that Donna Aedelson
using her lawyer's watch. Okay, so, meaning she's having a meeting.

(03:28):
This is how I see it. This is what I
think they mean, is that when her lawyers came to
visit her, they let her use their Apple watch to
call Harvey to communicate with Harvey. Harvey was then wiretapped,
and his communications with a jailhouse snitch indicate that she

(03:52):
and other communications indicate that she was trying to kill
murder three other people. And this is why I've been
saying all along that Robert Adelson will be one of
the strongest witnesses in Donna Adelson's trial should he testify

(04:14):
she wanted to murder her own son. Robert Adelson, the
middle woman in this murder, Charlie Adelson's ex girlfriend Katie mcbanawa,
who also testified in Charlie Adelson's trial. She turned she
was given a life sentence, but after that she became

(04:34):
a cooperating witness hoping to reduce her life sentence. Also
have some information on Katie mcbanawa to show you, so
some just total wildness from her former lawyer, christ acost.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
And so.

Speaker 9 (05:07):
During this and also the third person was Drina Bernhardt's mother,
so the government snitch. Let me show you I'm talking
about here minute. That's Drina Zeita Bernhardt. So she was

(05:32):
in Leon County jail with Donna Aedelson. And what we
believe that she's going to testify.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
For the.

Speaker 9 (05:46):
Prosecution is that Donna Edelson was offering her money maybe
something else something maybe it was care packages, maybe it
was commissary, maybe it was something else to give favorable testimony,

(06:08):
and she was soliciting favorable testimony for herself in jail.
That's what we think and I believe, I mean, the
impression that I've been given by the media is that
Drina Bernhardt wasn't the only person in Donna Aedelson's art
class and in Leon County Jail in general who she

(06:32):
was offering money to testify favorably, because we know we
saw that hearing with Donna earlier where she said she
wanted to preserve the testimony of two other jail house
inmates who said that Katie makee banawa. I mean some

(06:54):
of it was really vague, that Katie had some kind
of tattoo. I mean, I don't know how that how
that helps Donna, but okay, but that they heard Katie
say that she set up that basically she was an extortionist,
basically reviving Charlie Aedelson's failed defense that they murdered Dan

(07:15):
markel on Speck and then extored money out of Charlie Adelson.
It doesn't really make a lot of sense and allowed
him to pay on time, but it was the incredibly
generous moment for the Latin kings there to allow Charlie
Adelson to pay three thousand dollars a month. Of course,

(07:39):
Charlie Adelson was tailoring a story to the evidence, so
they know that they paid Katie mcbanoa, so he had
to come up with a reason why he paid her.
And if you listen to the jailhouse calls between Charlie
and Donna, they're shocked that the jury didn't go for
it that Katie was extorting him for money. After this

(08:07):
murder of Dan Markel, the Florida State University law professor
who was in a custody battle with Donna A. Wendy Adelson,
who's Donna Adelson's daughter, and Charlie Aedelson's sister. So it's
a family murder. Is a family affair. Can we look

(08:29):
at some of these Let's say, here's Donna and Charlie
and Harvey in better times when the Adelson Institute was
still going. There's Donna just working in her scrubs. And

(08:50):
there's the whole Adelson Institute staff, Charlie, Harvey and Donna
all working together in better times. And there's a very
young picture of Donna Adelson Donna Sue when she was
Donna Sue Jacobs. So that's what we're gonna talk about today.

(09:17):
We know the FBI wire tap. The state looks like
they came in at the end of twenty twenty four,
early two thousand and twenty five and asked for a
wire tap on Harvey Adelson's phone, and they claim they
came up with us. So let's look first, We're going

(09:37):
to look at what makes this just so amazing is
that after all this was public. See if this actually
brings it up, I can bring it up in a
different way. If this this may this may come up

(09:57):
blank for you guys. That's what I'm worried about.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Here.

Speaker 12 (10:03):
Hold on one second, yeah, let me bring it up
this way. Hold on one second, just.

Speaker 9 (10:31):
Okay. So here is the defense motion from Donnaedelson's defense team.
They asked to remove Judge Edwartt after this became public.
And I'll read it to you, Donna Aedelson by and
actually you know what I'm going about this back well,

(10:53):
I'll go about it backwards. I guess this is the
kind of a backwards way. But Donna, Donna s Adelson
buying through the undersized council person to the Florida Rule
of General Practices of Judicial Administration, Section eight ten, Florida's Statues,
moves for disqualification of the Honorable Stephen Everett from the

(11:14):
case and in support therefore states as follows, for the
reason set forth below, Missus Adelson moves that this Court
be disqualified from hearing this case. This is an initial
motion to disqualify the trial judge in the case. Missus

(11:34):
Adolson is charged with first degree murder, conspiracy to commit
first degree murder, and solicitation to commit first degree murder.
She faces a mandatory life sentence if convicted as charge.
You know, if she were even facing something lesser for this.
But once you you know, murder for hires are looked

(11:58):
at in most dates and Florida's no different, just as
if you had pulled the trigger yourself. And on October
twenty two, twenty twenty four, the undersigned council filed their
notice of appearance on missus Adelson's bath app On December nineteenth,

(12:18):
twenty twenty four, while the case was pending before Judge
Edward and after new council was returning, was retained due
to the disqualification of prior council. That's Dan Rashbaut. Judge
Everett engaged in ex parte communications with the Office of
State Attorney. So that's the SAO to this, the State's

(12:40):
Attorney's office hereby what'll be referred to as SAO. Neither
of missus Adelson's council were present, nor was Missus Adelson present. Okay,
And to the second page, see that big blacked out,

(13:02):
backed out portions spoiler alert there. That's where they're talking
about this allegation. Specifically, the chief investigator for the state's
attorney presented an application for a warrant requesting communication records
in an affidavit, resulting in Judge Effort Everett authorizing the

(13:26):
December nineteenth, twenty twenty four warrant requesting communication records for
Harvey Aedelson's cellular phone. The affidavit presented to Judge Everett
in support of the application includes the following allegation italicized
and boldened, with no factual basis. So what was that allegation?

(13:54):
And I'm going to return to this in a few
allegation was according to Court TV, who actually may have
seen some of the unredacted records in this case. And

(14:17):
we know that some records were concerning Robert Adolson were
released and then pulled and sealed. But a few things
leaked out. One is that Robert Adelson said in his
deposition with Donna Aedelson's new lawyers that his mother is
not easily fooled and that his mother is a very

(14:39):
self interested person. I mean, I think I call that
the understatement of the year. But I think should he
testify to what he saw the attitudes of the Adolson
family concerning Dan Markell's murder, that unlike him, who was
very interested and finding out who killed Danny or Dan Markel,

(15:04):
Danny as they knew him. The rest of the Adolesen family,
so Robert was this is the oldest son, was very
interested in finding out what happened to Dan Markel. But Charlie, Harvey, Donna,
and Wendy weren't the least bit interested in solving this

(15:25):
mystery because of course it wasn't a mystery to them,
because I mean, Harvey and Wendy remain unindicted co conspirators
in this case. But no one in the family was
interested or curious as to what happened to Dan Markell,
because of course they all knew what happened to Dan Markel.

(15:50):
In the defense motion to take depositions was rejected and sealing.
Donna's attorneys revealed that prosecutors disclosed new discovery on April seventh,
twenty twenty five, and this is sealed if you go
on the Leon County records. This discovery included previously undiscosed
investigative work and wire taps of conversations between a jail

(16:13):
house informant. Who's this jail house infemant. We're talking about
this woman, Darena burn Burnhardt, Darena Bernhardt, okay, and Harvey Aedelson.

(16:37):
But Donna's attorneys say that the affidavits presented to the
judge lied. They lied, they lied the not true. They
lied about the contents of conversations between Donanna and her husband,
and allege that among the false allegations were accusations the

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defendant and her spouse were engaged in conversations by the
use of the undersigned, meaning that her lawyers cell phone watch,
they say, cell phone slash slash watch. So not only
did they let them let her communicate with Harvey using
their watch, that's what the state says, but they also

(17:20):
let Donna communicate with Harvey using their cell phones two okay.
So going back, the defendant in her spouse were engaged
in conversations by use of the undersigned, so her lawyers
cell phone slash watch to plan harm. Okay, that's lawyers

(17:43):
speak plan harm. Okay, Because it really wouldn't matter if
Robert Adoleson, Catherine Magpanua, and the mother of a jail
house snitch right were harmed. They could all come and
testify with a wheelchair if they had to on one leg,

(18:03):
a thumb missing, whatever, So what plan harm means is
to plan to murder them? Right? The defendant and her
spouse were engaged in conversations by the use of the
undersigned cell phone watch to plan harm to Robert Agelson,
Catherine Magbanua mcbanoa, and the mother of a jailhouse snitch.

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Donna's defense used those APPI datas presented to Judge Edvert
as evidence of an ex parte communication between the judge
and prosecution in her previous request to have the judge
recruse himself. The First District Court of Appeals denied Donna's
appeal of Judge Everts refused to step down, noting its

(18:50):
routine for trial judges to review warrant applications and then
preside over the resulting criminal trials. Donna's attorneys won know
how the accusations could impact Robert's potential testimony against his mother.
They also wanted to pose Sergeant Chris Corbett, who testified
in mcbanawa's and Charlie's trial trials, about the wire taps

(19:15):
and phone records and about the timeline of the investigation.
Basically what her lawyers have done. I mean, they have
filed emotion and limiting. We need emotion to throw out
bar from the court almost all the evidence that the
state has. They've filed emotion to throw out the evidence

(19:35):
of Wendy's divorce, her divorce proceedings, among other things that
nobody can comment on the wire taps. They want travel
as consciousness of guilt, that whole concept to be thrown out,
which I don't I didn't fly the first time and
I don't think it'll fly this time. Charlie was convicted

(20:00):
hiring hitman to kill Marcel, and his attorneys were removed
on the eve of jury selection of his mother, and
his attorneys were removed on the eve of jury selection
for well, his attorney really was removed on the eve
of jury selection for his mother after Judge Evert determined

(20:20):
there is a conflict of interest. Why they didn't determine
that earlier, I mean is amazing to me. And why
they took dan rashbaalon not his word for anything, but okay.
The court is not even aware of the depth of
that prior conflict. Donna's attorneys told the judge on Friday,
we don't intend to go in and ask the same

(20:43):
questions that have been asked before. That's not our purpose,
but we have a right to inquire as to what
we want to know to represent her a trial. If
it's something new, this is Georgia Kapelman, the prosecutor for
the state. If it's something new, great, let's depose them

(21:03):
on that. That's not a waste of everyone's time. Capelman responded,
sounds heavy with sarcasm, but maybe it wasn't. So there
is that. So what does this say about It says
that Robert Adelson will Donna Adelson is deeply afraid of

(21:27):
Robert anything Robert Adelson has to say, and that's one
of the reasons that her lawyers deposed him and sealed
his deposition. Is there deadly afraid of anything he might say.
And they've also tried to bar any of his opinions
on Donna from the trial, saying, well, opinions aren't fact.

(21:49):
But I think his opinion of his mother's character is
highly relevant in this case. We'll see the way Everett
rules on it, see how minute Robert Edelson's testimony will be.
But I think he can say a lot about the
atmosphere and the conversations that were going on within the

(22:13):
family after Dan Markel's murder. So it's no mystery to
me why she wanted to, let's use her lawyer's euphemism
harm remove Robert Edelson from being a witness in this
case in an illegal way. But I mean, to put

(22:34):
out a hit on your own son is pretty cold blooded.
But so is Donna Catherine mcbanoa. Again, I've always said
she I predicted before Charlie's trials she would have been
she would be an excellent witness. When all the true
crime talking heads were saying, oh, she's going to be

(22:55):
a horrible witness because she's as a history of lying,
I knew she would be a strong witness. She was
a strong witness against Charlie. Edelson did a ditto Luis Rivera,
and so I'm not surprised. But we're going to take
a look at her testimony in a minute. And Drina

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Burke Bernhardt's mother, I don't know that remains to be seen.
I would think that her mother would be on the
receiving end of any goods commentary. I mean, the state
says that they have a picture from Donna to Drina,

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So unless this picture is somewhat symbolic, which would be
great if it were. I don't know what. If it
was an actual some kind of map to do something,
or if it was some kind of reference to something
illegal Donna would have done, that would be interesting, But
I doubt it. I think it's probably just a picture

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that Donna made an art class, painted an art class,
and gave to Drina to show the jury that there
that indeed they were friends and the same vein we
saw yesterday that the defense has Christmas card, a Christmas
card and artwork that what Drina made for Donna. So

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and many of the States witnesses are also on the
defense witnesses. So let's take a look at Katie meg
Banawa's testimony. This is the testimony Donna was silenced.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
What to give will be the truth. You may take
your seat. Please speak loudly and clearly.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
H M. Please say your name and spell your name.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Katherine mcbonaa K A T H E R I N
E M A G B A n U A.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
I see that you're in jail clothes. Are you currently
in custody.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
What are you in custody for.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
The murder?

Speaker 5 (25:29):
Are you doing a sentence for murder, yes, ma'am. You
were convicted of murder, yes, ma'am. And is that the
murder of Dan Markel, yes, ma'am. Did you have a
trial in your case, yes, ma'am. Did you testify, yes, ma'am.
You testified in your own on your own behalf, yes, ma'am.
All right. And when you testified, were you truthful with
the jury?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
No, ma'am, I was not.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
Did you take the same oath that you just took
today in your own trial?

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
What was your defense when you were tried that I
had nothing to do with it? All right? Did that
we got it right in reference to Charlie Adelson, and
we got it right in reference to the killers, that
you weren't in the middle, yes, ma'am. Was that true?

Speaker 3 (26:14):
No, ma'am, it was not.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Were you in the middle, yes, ma'am, I was. And
didn't you also testify in the trial in which Siegfredo
Garcia was convicted of murder?

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yes, ma'am, I was.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
And what was his defense.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
That he got nothing to do with it?

Speaker 5 (26:33):
That we got it right in reference to Charlie Adelson,
And we got it right in reference to the killers.
But he had nothing to do with.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
It, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Oh questions.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
And was that defense truthful?

Speaker 3 (26:49):
No, MAMMA was not.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
So Siegfredo Garcia was involved.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yes, ma'am, he was.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
So why tell the truth now?

Speaker 3 (27:02):
I believe that the truth needed to come out now
so that the family can get some type of closure.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Why didn't the truth need to come out last year
or the year before or the year before that.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
I was trying to defend myself.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
You were trying to get off, yes, ma'am. Did you
think you'd be successful in your trial with that defense?

Speaker 3 (27:23):
I thought so.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Has anyone promised you and anything promised you anything for
your testimony here today?

Speaker 3 (27:32):
No, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
Weren't you originally offered immunity for cooperation in this case, Yes, ma'am,
I was, but you didn't take us up on that.

Speaker 9 (27:41):
No, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
I didn't because you thought you could get off completely.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
And now you're doing a life sentence, yes, ma'am. I am.

Speaker 9 (27:54):
Okay, so about that, So let's go back. Let's just
hear that again, just for those in the back, because
this is gonna be highly relevant to what her lawyers argue.
And I'll show you what her lawyers Christicos argued or

(28:15):
said on social media about this, So let's go back
and make sure we have this straight. I thought this
was pretty brilliant way to set this up, that you
were nothing to do with it, Yes, ma'am here today, No, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
Weren't you originally offered immunity for cooperation in this case? Yes, ma'am,
I was, but you didn't take us up on that.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
No, ma'am, I didn't.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Because you thought you would get off completely. Yes I am,
and now you're doing a life sentence.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yes, ma'am, I am.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Did Charlie Adelson threaten talk?

Speaker 9 (28:53):
Okay, so immunity, so that's pretty pretty vague. What we've
always heard heard about that is that she was given zero,
So that means immunity. I mean the definition of immunity.
You would hold on one memento. Uh, I just have

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to send this to myself. You would think that that
would mean full immunity, right, But according to Chris Acass, okay,
let me just download these and I'll show you in
a second, he had he said something else regarding these,

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regarding these, regarding this, so let us pull it up. Yeah,

(30:27):
just making room. I have so many pictures here it's
it's wild so.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
So here.

Speaker 9 (30:47):
Oh this he also told me a while its dis
stayed or laid.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
But he says that.

Speaker 9 (30:54):
He said that she wasn't offered fuel immunity, she wasn't
for full immunity, and I mean and that he told
a listener Mia Wallace to stay in er lane and
that he thinks it's a I don't know what, like,
what's that partial immunity? Does that mean that she would

(31:17):
have gotten some kind of it would have everything I
hear is that she was offered no jail time? What
does immunity mean? Do I have a lawyer in the
audience who can argue immunity? Does immunity mean something else besides.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
Here?

Speaker 9 (31:35):
He says, I'm I'm a huge introvert. Here it is
I'm a huge introvert and I hate attention. So no,
this wasn't about the media. We turned down many outlets.
We can't force our clients all week. Okay. I came
out from hiding to do one thing to defend, which
I'm doing here for tarring myself. No, we have zero

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connection to the Atolesns openly despise them. Did you not
see the cross of Wendy. That's christ to cross is
very the cost, that's very harsh cross of Wendy, which
I just got a message someone said it was terrible.
We can't force our because it gave Wendy so many
outlets to go. It's an interesting take. We can't force

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our client, or a compelling take or compelling take. It's
a take that makes me think a lot. We can't
force our clients. All we can do is work our
butts off, preparing explained chances and trial convey the best
possible deals and let the client decide. There's also varying
degrees of immunity. Normally, with transactional full immunity, they wouldn't

(32:41):
start by arresting the person, which they did here. What
if any community she could have gotten was always complicated? Okay,
So he says, are you saying that the state did
not offer Katie full immunity release in exchange for a complete,

(33:04):
all the inclusive, honest pro offer and full cooperation as
in dropped the charges and you go for free? And
he says, and and uh, he just left it. There's

(33:26):
transactional there. I mean, how many different levels of immunity
do you mean? There? So there there are new truth.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
No, ma'am. He didn't threaten me.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
Did anybody threaten you to keep your silence?

Speaker 7 (33:42):
No, ma'am.

Speaker 9 (33:43):
And then he told told our listener to stay in
his own lane. So he's he's a total sleaze, a
total total sleeves bag. Let me just show you christ Acost,
these lying, corrupt criminal lawyers. I loathe the more, every

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every the more I cover true crime. But what does
that mean? How many levels of immunity are there? How
many levels of immunity are there? I would love to
get Georgia's take, Georgia Kapelman's take on this, But he

(34:31):
told it he I mean, just to give you an
idea of what a sleeves bag he is. He says,
he says he's directed to stay in stay in or lane.

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Somebody who asks questions arrogant and belitvling is true. Anything
is better than mandatory life sentence to stay in your
lane and let the big boys take care of it.
I mean something like that. When asked questions about this

(35:17):
comment about Katie mcmah, it was immunity deal. I mean,
you're putting yourself out to ask questions about immunity. Seriously, dude,
what do you mean?

Speaker 7 (35:37):
What do you mean?

Speaker 9 (35:44):
It's so bizarre, isn't it. Anyway, back to Katie mcmhan
of this testimony.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Did anybody promise you anything if you remain silent all
these years?

Speaker 3 (35:56):
I wasn't promised anything, but I mean I wasn't promised anything.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
Go ahead, finish your thought. You didn't. You weren't prouising.

Speaker 7 (36:06):
Anything but what.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
She was.

Speaker 9 (36:09):
She was given help by the Atolson family. I think
they helped her with her lawyers. They told her if
she stayed silent, this is my take. And now, of
course she was asked to give proof that she had
two different lawyers, Tara cat Kass and Christicost, and they

(36:33):
came with a hefty price, two trials, and she had
to prove to the judge in an in camera meeting
that she was paying for it. And apparently she could
prove that she paid for it to the judge's satisfaction.
But I don't think they looked deeply all the I
mean I would think that all that money could have

(36:56):
been moved from the Atolson stric out in some way.
They could have given her moldies stapled money to deposit
in her parents account or her family's account. But they
were not a rich family, and they paid for two trials.
And the message was, and her lawyers were communicating with

(37:17):
Charlie Edelson's lawyer, so you stay silent, and we'll all
stay silent. We'll all be okay.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I thought everything was going to be okay.

Speaker 9 (37:27):
See how that goes. See she doesn't want to say it.
There she's holding back, and Georgia just picks up on it.
Let's look at it.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
And anybody promised you anything if you remained silent all
these years?

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I wasn't promised anything, but I mean, I wasn't promised anything.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
Go ahead, finish your thought. You didn't.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
You weren't promising anything, but what I thought everything was
going to be okay.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
You thought you thought you'd be acquitted, yes, ma'am. All right.
So did you know Dan markl No, man, I did not.
Did you have any personal beef with him?

Speaker 3 (38:14):
No, ma'am, I did not.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
What was your motivation for becoming a part of this
murder plot?

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Financially?

Speaker 5 (38:24):
So not as a favor to Charlie Edelson. I'll rephrase it,
your honor. Was it a favor to Charlie Aedelson?

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
It was okay, But your primary motivation was not favor
to Charlie Edelson.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Well, yes, ma'am, it was, and financially all right, because.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
You were going to get paid for your How much
did you get paid?

Speaker 3 (38:49):
I don't know the exact amount.

Speaker 9 (38:53):
I don't know the exact amount. How do you split
half a boob job? Uh? That sounds like he gave
her mother a cruise all the financial money that was
being dripped into my account bit by bit?

Speaker 5 (39:11):
What was your relationship to Charlie Adelson?

Speaker 3 (39:14):
He was my ex boyfriend.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
When did you meet him?

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I believe that was in twenty thirteen?

Speaker 5 (39:23):
Do you know what?

Speaker 9 (39:23):
Mark? Also, we know that Donna signed those checks to
Katie mcbanua, So that's also another damning thing. And we're
did Donna help so make some of the more of
those payments that we don't.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Know about has to be around September?

Speaker 9 (39:48):
Was there more contact between Katie and Katie and Donna
than we know about? Because right after Robert Adelson the
person she wants to harm, Remember, and this is interesting
that their lawyers use the word harm, because how did

(40:09):
Charlie Edleson ask Katie to murder Dan Markel? She wanted
he wanted to know if she knew anyone who could
harm someone. The euphemisms euphemisms. We'll have to find out
till Donna's trial. What evidence the state has of this,

(40:29):
if any of these attempted hit jobs from from jail.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Can you point it out and describe what he's wearing.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
He's sitting over there with a blue jacket and a
blue too.

Speaker 9 (40:46):
I'm sorry, guys, witness identified, Sure, I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
What if Marc? Does States forty eight recognize this exhibit?

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yes, ma'am I do.

Speaker 13 (41:03):
How do you recognize it?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
That's when we want to key West.

Speaker 13 (41:06):
Is that a fair and accurate photo of you and
Charlie Ailsen?

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yes, ma'am it is.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
Is that when the two of you were taken when
the two of you were dating? Yes, ma'am Judge, at
this time I asked to move in evidence.

Speaker 13 (41:15):
States forty eight.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Do we have that for publication?

Speaker 9 (41:25):
Tat? Is it your birthday?

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Is it my?

Speaker 9 (41:28):
Is it my moderator's birthday? Today? What day?

Speaker 5 (41:33):
Is it?

Speaker 9 (41:37):
Happy birthday? July twenty six? Are you a leo or
you a cancer?

Speaker 6 (41:46):
What is that?

Speaker 7 (42:06):
H So?

Speaker 5 (42:21):
Was this photo taken before or after the murder? Before
who came up with the idea to kill Dan Markel Charlie.

Speaker 9 (42:32):
So those screenshots that were up you could have missed them.
We're from via Wallace's Instagram, who does a lot of
instagram's concerning this case. About Jeff about christ Acost, who
was Katie mcvalawa's lawyer, but he's basically colleague said leave

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it to the adultlts and stay in your lane. And
I mean, it's just total bravado. I don't know, what
are the levels of immunity. Do you mean that maybe
she could have got a conviction for a felony conviction
and that the immunity part would be I don't know,

(43:15):
immunity would be sorry that the immunity would be I
don't know, would be that the prison would be waived,
it would be considered time served. I mean, but that
doesn't sound like immunity. Sounds like something else.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
So Sifredo Garcia didn't come up with the idea, no ma'am.

Speaker 7 (43:39):
He did not.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Louis Rivera didn't come up with the idea, no man,
he did not. When did the defendant first bring this
idea up to you?

Speaker 3 (43:49):
My first recollection was around Halloween of twenty thirteen around
Halloween or on Halloween, Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 9 (43:57):
All right, well, okay, So there's levels, he said, claims
there's levels of immunity. Legal immunity or immunity from prosecution
is a legal status where in an individual or entity
cannot be held liable for a violation of the law
in order to facilitate societal aims that outweigh the value

(44:18):
of imposing liability in such cases, such legal immunity maybe
from criminal prosecution or from civil liability. I mean, we
know this wasn't from civil liability.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
So.

Speaker 9 (44:32):
Or were or were they worried or was it or
was civil liability not covered? Were they worried about the
Markel's doing Katie Civilly, I mean, come on, it was
a terrible idea to let your client not take that.
I mean, you can't force your client to take it,
But to say that it wasn't such a good deal

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essentially is essentially what he's saying here is that there's
level of immunity. I don't know. I think he's just
he's just protecting his image because it was makes them
look both like terrible lawyers. Tarakw West and christ Akost

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that she didn't take it.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
What's your recollection of how that came up.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
We were at a Halloween party in Lincoln Road, and
right before we were about to go, he got in
the car with me and he asked me a question.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
What was the question?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Do you know anybody that can harm someone?

Speaker 5 (45:36):
And did you know anybody that could harm someone?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yes, ma'am, I did. Who was that Sigfredo?

Speaker 5 (45:42):
And at the time, what was your relationship with Sigfredo?

Speaker 9 (45:49):
Wasn't the best?

Speaker 5 (45:50):
But he was the father of your children, right? And
so were you dating both men at this time or were.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
You only dating I was only dating Charlie.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
And so he initially, he meaning the defendant, initially said
do you know anyone that could harm someone? Was he
aware of your connection to Zegfredo Garcia when he made
that statement, Not that I know of. No man. Did
you suggest Sigfredo Garcia at that time to the defendant?

Speaker 9 (46:22):
Somehow? I think he knew. Somehow, I think the whole
purpose of dating Katie when he during I can't remember
if it was direct. I think it was direct. Charlie
Edelson has asked why he liked Katie and he was like,
she was really smart. I'm not saying she wasn't smart
and cute, but I mean, you look at the other

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women he's dated, and I don't know, Katie seems a
little bit off the beaten pack, a little rough compared
of I'm sure the fact that she was connected early
to the Latin Kings was the was the appeal part
of the appeal? Certainly?

Speaker 5 (47:05):
No, ma'am, what did you say?

Speaker 3 (47:07):
I just said yes and kind of left it alone.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
All right. Did it go any further than that at
that time?

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Not at that not that night?

Speaker 5 (47:15):
I mean, did you know who he wanted harmed? Did
at that time? No?

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Man?

Speaker 5 (47:21):
All right? Had you become aware during the course of
your relationship with him that he had some kind of
issue going on with his sister's ex husband, Yes, ma'am.
What did you learn about that?

Speaker 3 (47:35):
He was just stating that his family wasn't his mom
and dad was stressed, and that his sister was having
problems with her husband and custody of her two children.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
And when did you learn that the person that the
defendant wanted harm was this ex husband of the sister?

Speaker 3 (47:56):
I believe later on, all right?

Speaker 5 (47:58):
And did you when did you learned the name Dan Mark? Hell?

Speaker 3 (48:03):
It wasn't until I don't know if it was on
my trial or Wednesday Frado got arrested.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
Okay, So even when he was killed, you didn't know
the name of the person that was being killed.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yes, I never knew his name.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
How did the defendant refer to this person if not
by the name Dan or Danny Markel Wendy's husband. Okay?
So you knew that the person that was going to
be initially harmed was Wendy's husband.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
Okay. And you knew that there were issues or what
did you know about the beef with him that?

Speaker 3 (48:38):
I mean, he was just he painted this picture that
this was a terrible man and making his family go
through a lot custody wise with his sister, all.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Right, And was when he would say these things to you?
Is it in the context of his mom specifically or
his family in general?

Speaker 3 (48:57):
I believe it was more towards his mom, meaning what
that his mom hasn't been sleeping, his mom it's not eating.
I know his dad wasn't wasn't the best health either,
but it was He would refer to his mom a lot.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
All right, And the reason she wasn't sleeping or eating,
did that have to do with this ex husband of Wendy, Yes, ma'am.
Did you ever tell the defendant who it was that

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was going to be doing the job.

Speaker 3 (49:40):

Speaker 5 (49:41):
Why didn't you say the name Sigfredo to Charlie Adelson?

Speaker 4 (49:48):
I always referred to each other as my friend either
neither one of them wanted to really hear each other's names.

Speaker 9 (49:55):
And I mean, who would want to hear Charlie Adelson's nave?
What are you about Charlie Adelson?

Speaker 5 (50:04):
Uh? Why is that?

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Because Sifredo was the my the father and my kids
and I was dating him at that time. I was
dating Charlie at that time.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Okay. So Sigfredo Garcia did he have strong feelings about
the defendant?

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Yes, he didn't like him, all right?

Speaker 5 (50:26):
And is that because you were dating him, yes, ma'am. Okay,
and vice versa. You're not going to talk about the
child's father with the new boyfriend either, okay.

Speaker 11 (50:36):
So is it.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
True then that you were sort of walling these two
off from each other before the issue of the murder
and the conspiracy ever even arose, yes, ma'am. And did
that pattern continue throughout the murder? Conspiracy, Yes, ma'am, I did.
Do you think Charlie Adelson knew that it was your

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child's father that you were going.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
To He might have had an idea, but he just
never said it out loud.

Speaker 9 (51:07):
I think he had more and more than an idea.
I think he knew. I think he knew out close.
Here's here's Christikos Katherine Katie mcmanawa's lawyer. I'm a huge
introvert again and hate attention. I'm sure, so sure how
many he's true? Seemed like an introvert so.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
So.

Speaker 9 (51:29):
No, this wasn't about the media. We turned down many outlets,
uh from We turned down many outlets like Dateline. I
came out from hiding to do one thing to defend,
which I'm doing here for towering myself. No, we have

(51:50):
zero connections to the atlesns and openly despise them. Did
you not see the cross of Wendy. We can't force
our clients. All we can do is work our butt off,
preparing and explain chances in trial, conveyed the best possible deals,
and let the client decide. There are also varying degrees
of immunity, normally with transactional full immunity. They wouldn't start

(52:14):
by arresting the person, which they did here, What if
any immunity she could have gotten was always complicated? Really
doesn't sound complicated, certainly doesn't sound complicated the way Georgia
Kapelman's describing it, it sounds like he's embarrassed because first
they thought that they could get her off, and it

(52:37):
also it financially benefited him, and he does not like
the allegation that they worked against their client's best interest
for their own monetary interests. Also, this was a big case,
the more trials to trials for them, whoever heard about
Derek k Was or Chris Takos for or since it's

(53:03):
the kind of publicity that money can't buy, there would
be the arguments for why they would encourage or not
argue to the death as to why their client to
Katie's as to why she should take that deal. She

(53:24):
takes the deal, they don't get paid and they don't
get any attention, no film trial for them, and so,
but that is a allegation. If that allegation turned out
to be true, that they did it for their own benefit,

(53:44):
that they put their own interest before their client, that
is something that could possibly debar, disbar them, They could
lose their license over something like that that could be proven.
So I mean there or motivations for him to come
out and say, oh no, you know, I just would

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believe Georgia Kapelman before I would believe Chris Takaz.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
There's one phone call between I think it's from Sigfredo
Garcia to Harvey Adelson, father of the defendant. Do you
know anything about that phone call that was on July
first of twenty fourteen? Yes, man, what do you know
about that phone call?

Speaker 13 (54:34):
From the trial?

Speaker 3 (54:35):
What I remember was that Sigfredo had contacted or was
trying to contact Charlie, But we were in a heated
argument at that time. We were kind of in the
middle of the street, and I guess it's the first
thing he looked up was his work number.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
All right, So you say you're in a heated argument.
Is this the confrontation that occurred where all y'all were
you and the thin it were going jet skiing? I
believe that was after it was after that incident, yes man. Okay.
How many interactions personally face to face did to your knowledge,
Charlie Edelson have with Sigfredo Garcia.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
That was probably the only one that I kind I remember,
was that jet ski accident? Accident or like the confrontation?

Speaker 5 (55:23):
All right, tell us what happened at that confrontation.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Sigfredo had just picked up the kids, and he was
eating at a corner pizza place with the kids, and
he saw that Charlie was coming by.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
To go pick me up. And I saw the jet
skis in the back of the car. So he loaded
up the kids and cut us off.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Was screaming a couple of things out loud, but we
didn't really hear anything because our windows was up.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
All right. Did you say he cut you off?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Do you mean in traffic in the back in the
backstreet of where I lived at that at that time?

Speaker 12 (56:03):
All right?

Speaker 5 (56:03):
And when you say you cut you off, did you
run you off the road or something else?

Speaker 4 (56:07):
He kind of just went right and blocked the road
in front of us, so Charlie had to kind of
do a three point turn and go around the other way.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
Did the two men actually get out into the street
and confront each other, No, man, they did not. Okay,
we're any actual words exchanged through the windows.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Through the windows, yes, but I had my window up,
so we didn't know what Sigfredo was saying, all right.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
So Sifredo shouted some things out the window. Did mister
Adelson do the same? No?

Speaker 11 (56:35):
He did not.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
And what were the things that were shouted out the window?
Were you able to hear them or not?

Speaker 3 (56:40):
I didn't hear anything, all right.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
And at this point, this is July one of twenty fourteen,
the plot is already underway to do this murder, right, yes, ma'am.
Does Sigfredo Garcia know that he doing the murder for
Charlie Edelson?

Speaker 3 (57:04):
To my knowledge, he might have had an inkling about it,
but I don't know that was never spoken of.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Okay, the killers, And when I say the killers, I'm
referring to Garcia and Rivera knew they were doing something
for a lady to get her kids back. Do you
know how they knew that information?

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I believe it's because of the envelope that Charlie gave me.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
So you didn't relate that information to them that it
had to do with a lady and her kids.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I might have mentioned it to Secredo, yes.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
Okay, So if you mentioned that to Secredo, would you
be I guess were you intentionally trying to characterize this
job as being related to someone other than Charlie Aedelson?
I believe so, yes, Because is that because Secredo Garcia

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would not have wanted to do anything to help out
Charlie Aedelson, Yes, ma'am. All right. So do you think
Sigfredo knew that this lady with the kids was somehow
connected to Charlie Aedelson? I believe so, all right? And
there was going to be a lot of money paid
for this job, right, yes, ma'am. Did you know anybody

(58:20):
else with that kind of money or that might have
had that kind of money to get this job for them?

Speaker 3 (58:25):
No, ma'ammight to not.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
All right? You mentioned the paper. Louis Rivera said there
was a paper that Sigfredo had when they came to
do the murder. Do you know anything about that paper?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
No, ma'am, I don't.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
All right. Did you provide a paper to Sigfredo Garcia?

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Yes? I said, all right.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
And when you say you don't know anything about it,
but you gave it to him, you obviously know something
about it, right, yes, ma'am. Okay, so tell us what
I know. What you're trying to say is you don't
know what was.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
On the content of it.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Tell us how you got the pack right, tell us
how you came into possession of this paper that the
killers had.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
Okay, one day, just a random night that I was
over at Charlie's house. He had a manila envelope.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
That was sealed. He told me, Katie, do not open it,
do not touch it, do not look inside it. I
didn't print this paper out.

Speaker 9 (59:38):
How much do you want to bet it had had
pictures of Dan Markel, it had his address, what else?
What else do you think there was?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Was in there.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
From my office?

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Printed it probably from another office, and basically relate, you know,
give that paper to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
The other person.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
All right, And who is saying this?

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
This was Charlie, all right, this defendant, Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
So he says to you, I have this paper. How
does he give it to you?

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
I had a diaper bag, so he showed me the
envelope and I was like, just put it in there.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
Did he express any concerns about fingerprints being on the
envelope or the contents, Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
He said he wore a glove so that there's no
fingerprints on it. He was, he told he was very
specific about me not opening it and not looking inside it.
And he also told me that he didn't print it
from his office.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
All right, and what about licking the envelope and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
That he didn't like the envelope?

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
He said he did not look me on. He did
not like that, and what was the purpose of that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Yes, his DNA.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Okay, So did you touch the envelope?

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
It was in my diaper bag, but I don't remember
if I ever. I never opened it, but I might
have touched it just to put stick it inside in
my diaper bag.

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
And did you deliver the envelope to Sigfredo Garcia?

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
I call at contact.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
I must have contacted sig Freedo and just told them, hey,
come by the house.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
And then you know, he was kind of in and
out of my life. So he pop up. He literally
got the envelope. I was like, you have something inside
that bag and then he grabbed it, stuffed it in
his pants and left.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
In regards to the June trip that the killers made,
did you provide Garcia or Rivera with any money for
expenses associated with that trip? Yes, ma'am, I did, And
where did you get the money from to do that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
From Charlie Aedelson.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
Can you tell us about that, what was what is
the context of you getting that money?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Sick Fredo. We just asked me, Hey, I'm going to
need some money. I need to go out of town.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
I'm like, okay, So then I'd go to Charlie or
I'd be at Charlie's house and I'll tell him I
need some money for the expenses.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
And he gave you some money. Yes, man, about how
much money?

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
If you know, I can't recall, but it was a
couple hundred dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
So this thing started back in October of thirteen and
doesn't get done until July fourteen, is there? Can you
describe whether there's any pressure as time is going on
and this thing is not getting done.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Trying to remember, like in the beginning of the year,
I don't think there was really much. I mean, He's
been planting this seed in my head that this needed
to get done, this needed to get done.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
And I guess towards probably around June July is when
he was a little bit more adamant about this job
getting done.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
Okay. And when you say he, you're talking about who Charlie.
Did you ever have any contact with any other adolesen
about this job. No, ma'am, in the context of this
needs to get done, this pressure getting put on you.

(01:03:23):
Is there ever a mention of the mom, Donna or
the divorced situation in the context of getting it done.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
At that time? Not that I can recall.

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
We published thirty five. Please is this you on the
left side of the screen?

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Yes, ma'am, it is right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
And was this picture? Where was this picture taken?

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
This was in South Beach.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I believed the building that they were living at at
the where Charlie's parents were living at.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Is that the icon?

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
I don't. I don't think that was an icon. It
was somewhere in First in Ocean, Okay, so different residents, yes, ma'am,
all right?

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
And this photo. Was this the first time you'd ever
met Wendy or had you already known Wendy before this photo?

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I met her one time prior to this, because I
believe this was in Father's Day. So I met her
around spring break when I had dinner with her in Jeffrey.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Okay, so the Yardbird restaurant, Yes, ma'am, all right, So
this was the second time you'd met her, Yes, ma'am.
Did you have a relationship with her outside of her
being Charlie's sister. No, did you communicate with her by
phone or through any app apps or anything like that, No,
Memori not. Did you receive any communication from her specifically about.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
The homicide, no, memoris not.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Did Wendy ever give you any money or other gifts, no,
ma'magould not. Did anybody pay you for your part in
the murder other than Charlie Aedelson, No, ma'm di did not,
all right, And the payments from Charlie Adelson, did those
include the checks that were signed by his mother? Fute, Yes,

(01:05:36):
ma'am was there.

Speaker 9 (01:05:38):
It is very damning signed by his mother. Never was like,
we don't have this woman on staff. What's this for.
They won't pay, they won't pay five thousand dollars in
a bribe. They won't take care of Tuto tato huho,

(01:05:59):
but they'll they'll take care of Katie constantly buying your stuff,
you know, the pretty penny wise Adlson family.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
Did you perform any job at the Adelson Institute, No,
Madmid did not. You didn't go up there and clean
on the weekends, No, Madmaid did not. On the night
of the murder, did you go to the defendant's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
House, yes, ma'ami didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
And where was that house or what house was that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
That was in Whale Harbor in Fort Lauderdale?

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
All right? And did you get payment for the murder
that night?

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
I believe it was the following morning.

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
Were you in a panic when you arrived at his house?

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Was I in a panic?

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
In a panic?

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I wasn't in a panic? But Charlie was, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
I explained that how was he acting when I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Opened a door? He had he was kind of frantic
and he had a gun in his hand and he
was just all over the place. Was that normal behavior
for him not having a gun in his hand.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
No, ma'am, all right. Did you know him to have
a gun prior.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
To that, Yes, ma'am. He has a gun safe, all right, But.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
He just didn't usually carry around in his hand.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Yeah, he's never had it in his hand.

Speaker 9 (01:07:22):
Triving phone off, please, Yeah, New York federal courts you
have to check your phone. There's none of that. There's
none of that. Although when I was a juror and
criminal court they let people walk in with their phones.
You don't have to check your phone, but in federal

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court you do have to check your phone. I just
think it's such a I think they should do that
for all cases and trials. I think it's just such
a distraction have phones in there. And when I was
at the Nexium trial, Keith Ronari's trial, Theium cold guru,

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the gentleman before me, we had to go through two
metal detectors so that they were so worried that someone
was going to come in. And I'll use I'll use
Donna Adelson's lawyer, here's euphemism harm Keith Rnari. That we
went through the regular metal detectors and checks of our

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bags and taking off your shoes and all that downstairs,
and then when we went then there was another metal
detector we had to go through before we got to
the courtroom. And that second metal detector meaning that this
journalist in front of me got his tape recorder, which

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was a big no no, through the first metal detector
and the second one he got busted right in front
of me, and they were pissed. Really nice people, nice
security staff at the Brooklyn Federal Courthouse. But so there's
no recording devices, no cameras, no phones for that purpose.

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And it works because there aren't these distractions, and I
find it helped, you know, I find it helpful to
zero in and really listen, to not have your phone
there or phones in general going off or distracting. It's
just a general respect for the courtroom. I don't know

(01:09:44):
why more courthouses would be an easy way to get
to employ someone. It's basically like you have a hat check,
you know, co check person you check in. Also other
things that people can check, or cigarette lighters, things like that.

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They can check things that are not allowed in.

Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
What was he saying to you when he was in
this frantic state.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
I can't really recall because he had given me some xenax,
so it was a little blurry that night, and I
just tend to I just fell asleep. I think we
both fell asleep.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
So all right, can you tell the jury whether the
excitement that he was showing had to do with the murder.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Or something else, Yes, ma'am, it had to do with that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
Okay. Was anybody else there at his residence when you arrived.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
At that day?

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
No, ma'am. Did you ever see his parents at the residence?

Speaker 9 (01:10:54):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
I didn't see his parents.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
How was the money packaged when you got it? I
think you said, you got it the next morning. Yes, ma'am, okay,
it was packaged.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
It was in it was in a plastic The money
was in a plastic bag like a ziploc bag that
was inside a brown bag and then like a grocery
bag over it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
And was the money stapled, yes, ma'am it was. Can
you explain how it was stapled? Like what size bills
and what increments were stapled together?

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
I believe it was stapled, and I never counted it,
but it was like in a stack, and it was
stapled in the corner, right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
Were they one hundred dollars bills or something else?

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
There were one hundred dollars bills and there was some
twenties and fifties?

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Okay? And was the money damped?

Speaker 9 (01:11:50):
Do you say did really? You don't say, was the
buddy damp? Is the buddy damp? What a strange question?

Speaker 5 (01:11:57):
Yes, ma'am it was, okay? And was the money damp?

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Yes, ma'am, it was.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
Explain what you mean to the jury.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
A couple days after that, I went and I opened
the bag and I called sik Fredo and I told him,
I was like, there's mold on this money.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
And He's like well, blowdry it. And I was like, well,
why would there be mold on the money, And he's
just I don't know, just blowdry it. So I believe
his parents or his mom might have washed the the money,
you like, physically washed the money, Yes.

Speaker 9 (01:12:34):
Ma'am, Yeah, I just washed the money. What's the big deal?
I didn't want to fingerprints on it. Now that I
have this sore throat, it's even I think my Donna's
even my Dona depression is better. We just washed the money.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
We just washed it.

Speaker 9 (01:12:55):
Of course we're not going to have a fingerprints on
the money on DNA.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Washed it.

Speaker 9 (01:13:02):
What we laundered the money? Is that what they mean
when they say launder the money? Kind of reminds me
of this. Anybody remember this?

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Oh no, you're like you just put it in and
just kind of go to town and talk about yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Stop to learn the trial with the saying of my head,
what's the john?

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
You wanna?

Speaker 7 (01:13:29):
Thought? They will make them the ke me? And you
see what you get?

Speaker 14 (01:13:35):
Child is never wrong because charl is always right. I'm
not afraid of I'm not stop right. I'm the myro.

Speaker 7 (01:13:54):
Hondered the buyer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Don't forget the call of Mario.

Speaker 14 (01:14:00):
I don't call. It might be the longest hour. Are
you Farnes spent calling my show? Let me talking to
hear me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Talk about myself as I go to child.

Speaker 14 (01:14:17):
Leave them unsatisfied that they would still come round. I
got to stay for money in my safe. I'm ready
to spend. But that was all the boy I got
done for murder. Now you Alma in the state there,
I'm doing my show, sped on the fact of.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
I'm doing my show.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
My father the buyer.

Speaker 14 (01:14:43):
Don't forget to tell them Mary Oh, I've got the
stable money in the save my money to spend. But
that was all the bore I got done for murder.
I'm do an airbok in the state. I'm mad at

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the jury for the seeing a reasonable doubtorism. It's started
on the lap of kicks payment playing more set about
as the game.

Speaker 7 (01:15:12):
That was fine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
They was so sensitive to my fins. George Hmnes's goof
the jewelry.

Speaker 14 (01:15:18):
You want to know you want my stand out on
the back of.

Speaker 13 (01:15:27):
I'm the my spirl, I honored the buyer.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Don't forget the call of Maury.

Speaker 9 (01:15:35):
I'm the my so.

Speaker 7 (01:15:38):
Stand out on the back of the roll.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I'm the mine, so I ordered the fire. Don't forget
the call of Mary.

Speaker 7 (01:15:52):
My girl, my.

Speaker 9 (01:16:11):
Okay, okay, just a little musical break there.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
Why do you think his mom did it?

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Because he was always adamant about telling me he didn't
have any money in his house, and he told me
that his parents had just stopped by right before I
got there, so all of a sudden he had money
to put in the trunk of my car.

Speaker 5 (01:16:33):
The money. I'm sorry, I interrupted you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
Was the money already sorted out and packaged when you
first saw it? Or was he doing that? No?

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
It was already stacked and sorted out, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
And did he have to so he didn't have to
go anywhere to get the money he already had it
when you arrived.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
Was there any argument that night about the money or
the next morning with me and Charlie?

Speaker 13 (01:17:01):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
No, did you I guess you did stay there that night?

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
You may have already said that, Yes, I fell asleep.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
Was there any argument with the defendant at all about anything.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
That night, No, ma'am, not that I can recall.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
Did you threaten him in any way?

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
No, Ma'amais in that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:26):
Continue with your examination. Did you the night that you
went to get the money, did you threaten Charlie Adelson
in any way?

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
No, ma'maids.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
Did you try to extort money out of him? No,
ma'mai's in not the money that he gave you. Is
that something that had already been discussed or agreed upon
in reference to this homicide?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Well, I believe yes, because it was it was going
to be payment for this You weren't well.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
Were you sent with a message from Sigfredo to tell
him he better give it up or else?

Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
Man, did you relay to the defendant that his family
was in danger if he didn't give you whatever was
you were asking for?

Speaker 9 (01:18:16):
No, man, his family was in danger if he didn't
pay three thousand dollars above. It's a very very reasonable
payment plan. I mean, that was just the most ridiculous defense.
And then we're going to see it. Charlie Aedelson's defense
two point zero with Donna Adelson sounds.

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
Like, how did Sefredo Garcia and Louis Rivera get paid
for their partner this murder?

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
That morning when I woke up, I was like, oh
my god, I gotta go. So I drove back down
and I was trying to look for Secredo and having
a hard time that morning, and then eventually I made
it to the alleyway of where Lewis's building was.

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
Is that on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
North Miami, Yes, in like one thirty fifth where he
lived with Jessica. Yes, ma'am, Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
And he just I was just waiting in the car,
and all of a sudden, sick Fredo just like popped
up and got inside the passenger seat.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
All right, So they got their money from.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
You, yes, ma'am. Sick fraider didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
And Rivera got paid as well, didn't he.

Speaker 9 (01:19:32):
Just a little bit more information about Donna Adelson's the
wire tap on Harvey Adelson. So it went from December
two thousand and twenty four. So it sounds like the
application was on the nineteenth of December twenty twenty four,

(01:19:55):
or the two the Undersound Council was already determined. Factual
assertions made in the January nineteenth Havevid David to be false. Okay,
So they claim that these are false allegations about this

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head list the defenses. Let's see, let's see, let's see
what happens with Donna's trial. Maybe it'll all be a
big nothing burger. But this is also the same defense
that says Donna wasn't fleeing with a one way ticket
to Vietnam looking for a non extradition country. She was

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just looking to clear her head. So excuse me for
being a little skeptical. Significantly, the mirandum documents that neither
Harvey Aedelson engaged in any behavior with a potential witness,
which justified the overreach by this date approved by the court.
So this ended in February, you see. So this ended

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in February two thousand and twenty five. Significantly, on April eighth,
April ninth, and April tenth, the Council for Missus ass
and discuss where their facts address Boat above, namely that
Judge Ed Everett had ex part A communications ex partey

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communications with the State and contents of the Avid Davids
presented during the ex parte communications. So they say that
her lawyer should have been there, so she was wire

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tapped again. All right, back to back to Katie mcbanaa's trial.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
I believe, so, yes, I want to draw your attention
to what we're calling the bump. You know what we're
talking about, Yes, ma'am, okay, after the bump and the
subsequent conversations were occurring, did you have any contact with
any other Adolson about the bump other than Charlie Adelson? No, ma'am,

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So you didn't talk to Wendy about it, didn't talk
to Harvey or Donna about it.

Speaker 9 (01:22:23):
No.

Speaker 15 (01:22:23):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
On the Dulce Vita meeting that do you recall what
meeting I'm referenced, yes, ma'am, all right? Was that a
restaurant that you met Charliet after the bump? Yes, ma'am, okay,
in that meeting. And the jury hasn't heard this yet,
but he's saying, one of two scenarios, this is one
of two scenarios. Do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
What were the one of two scenarios? What were the
two scenarios?

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
What he was speaking of was probably the FBI or
that the blackmailing and by Rivera, Yes, ma'am, were you.

Speaker 9 (01:23:04):
Tato? I don't know this, tutto. But what she's talking
about here is just always makes me laugh when she
says scenarios, because when she took the stand in her
own defense and lied under oath, she was saying, well,
I didn't know what Charlie was talking about. He was
just talking scenarios. She said scenarios so many times on

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those stands. It was just scenarios. It was just scenarios.
It was just scenarios. But strangely, she knows exactly what
those scenarios were. I didn't know what he meant. It
was just scenarios, scenarios. It was just Charlie running his mouth.
I didn't know it was some scenarios, some vague scenarios.
She seems pretty sure what she knows these scenarios as well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Yes, ma'am, I was.

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
And what did you do to try to figure out
who it was that had approached Donna Aedelson?

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
I asked sick Fredo, So he was supposed to be
looking into it, Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 9 (01:24:04):
Thanks Tinfoil Had Society for becoming a channel member. I
appreciate the support. Enjoy the emojis. There's a lot of emojis.
Feel free to use them also. Also, I got to
get up some new ones for Donna's trial and in

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anticipation of Donna's trial. It would be fun.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
Were you there whenever he did whatever he did to
try to find out who it was? Was? I? Where
were you present? When Secredo? I guess went out and
talked to people about whether. No, ma'am, I wasn't because
at that time was Rivera in custody.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Yes, ma'am, he was. Yeah, he was already doing his
federal sentence.

Speaker 9 (01:24:54):
I believe, Marcia. I'd love for you to help me out.
I'd love I am not a graphic designer. Everything you
see on this channel I do myself, except for my logo,
which I traded my girlfriend Kat Sitting for who is
who is a designer. But everything else that you see

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on this channel, from the thumbnails to the videos, I've
had to learn how to do myself. So I appreciate it.
Send me an email at ROBERTA. Glass twenty three at Gmail. Please,
I appreciate it. So they have to be a certain size.
You can look online. I think it's like, I don't

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want to say, but they're small. They have to be
pretty small.

Speaker 5 (01:25:45):
So was the concern that maybe some of his associates
might have done this, Yes, ma'am. Maybe he had run
his mouth about it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
Have you reviewed what I had marked for you? As
states Exhibit one hundred and eleven the Dulce Vita recording
with the transcript.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
Attached yes, ma'am, I did.

Speaker 5 (01:26:10):
And does the transcript and that exhibit accurately reflect the
words that were said at that meaning between yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
And the defendant, Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
When the defendant described the bump to you strike when
you were speaking with Charlie Adelson and also Sigfredo Garcia
about this bump, did you speak in code?

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Yes, ma'am, I did.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
And what was the purpose of speaking in code?

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
How did just piggyback with what Charlie was speaking to
me in code?

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
So I kind of was like, okay, if he's talking
in codes, kind of speaking codes as well?

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
Is the concern that the calls could be recorded being recorded?

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
My concern was more than I was at work, so
I really didn't want to say any phone numbers out
loud or speak of what was going on and.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
Approach and show you what unmarked as states demonstrative A.

Speaker 9 (01:27:22):
Really it's not a it's not a good look to
talk about the murder for hire that you're you're participating
in at work. That's not a good look. I'm shocked or.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
I don't know if you have, no, ma'am, I have
not right, And it's got several items listed here as
code words with the actual meaning next to them. Yes, ma'am,
would you take a moment to just and the ones
in red are the ones used by you? The ones
in yellow are used by Charlie Aedelson.

Speaker 15 (01:27:54):
Okay, will you review this exhibit and just tell me
if it's accurate as far as.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Yes, ma'am, it's it's accurate.

Speaker 9 (01:28:32):
Do you see Charlie pleading with his eyes, pleading with
his eyes, don't say it's a code. And you can
see the shorts I just put out. I put them
out early for members, but they're out now for everybody.
But the shorts I did where Charlie's like, there was
just too much TV talk TV's five. He basically sums

(01:28:56):
up his blames his conviction because of course it can't
be anything he did. He did everything perfectly but Wendy.
If Wendy hadn't driven by the crime scene right after
the murder, he wouldn't be convicted. And the TV talk
so he knows how bad this I I mean, you
can see him turn a whiter shade of pale during

(01:29:18):
this part. I mean, just take a look look at that.
That that is a nervous Charlie Aedelson. There, that is
unhappy Charlie Aedelson right there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Yes, Memoss accurate, judge.

Speaker 9 (01:29:35):
JESU the long blank h oh, It's like it's like
someone just punched him in the gut. There, let's watch
that again.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
Yes, Memoss accurate, Judge.

Speaker 5 (01:29:50):
At this time, I'd asked to make use of states
demonstrative a.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Mhm.

Speaker 9 (01:30:18):
See Dan Rash. I was trying to to trying to.

Speaker 13 (01:30:24):
Have an agreement with a couple of reactions.

Speaker 9 (01:30:29):
Trying to minimize the blow for Charlie Edelson, trying to minimize.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
I think was that.

Speaker 13 (01:30:46):
The first one we have is sixty five dollars and
seventy cents.

Speaker 15 (01:30:51):
And again during Jack, But when you were talking to
superdvers about sixty and seventy cents.

Speaker 13 (01:31:00):
Were you referring to the undercover phone number?

Speaker 5 (01:31:04):
And then when you're talking.

Speaker 13 (01:31:07):
To Charlie about an agent, were you talking about it
seems like you're talking about real estate agent, but are
you talking about the undercover agent? But approaches not.

Speaker 7 (01:31:19):
Right?

Speaker 13 (01:31:20):
And the CD was that reference to a recorded a
recording that the ADS is made of their contact with
the undercover.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
A recording of their contact with them, Yes, that they
were being recorded, know that.

Speaker 13 (01:31:38):
They called the undercover did you ever actually hear that recording?

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
No, man, not until my trial.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
And then the client.

Speaker 13 (01:31:52):
There's a lot of discussion about this client or this tenant.
You need to find out if this is going to
be a good tent or a bad tenant.

Speaker 15 (01:32:01):
Yes, was the tenant this person? If it really was
a blackmailer, this bog that's somehow affiliated.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
With Rivera, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 13 (01:32:14):
All right, the false lead or the fishing?

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
What does that? What did that mean?

Speaker 13 (01:32:21):
There's a lot of discussion about I hope it's just
somebody fishing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Can you remember that from the phone calls? Yes, this
is all from the phone, Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 13 (01:32:34):
It was one of the two scenarios that it could
be law enforcement, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
But this was Charlie basically saying this the whole time.
He's the one that's coming up with all the scenarios.

Speaker 15 (01:32:44):
Okay, but when he's talking about the scenarios, he's talking
about fishing. Yes, he doesn't say law enforcement fish, No man,
he says it could be, you know, a tenant or a.

Speaker 13 (01:32:56):
Patient or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Anything.

Speaker 13 (01:32:58):
But what I'm just going to check the leading.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
Is afraid.

Speaker 13 (01:33:07):
The listing for the properties?

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
What did that refer to.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
About the paperwork. It's pretty accurate. Yes, so listening because
I worked in a real estate agency at that time,
so he was just telling me look into the listing, Oh,
this will be a good investment. So it was really
Charlie saying all these words.

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
What.

Speaker 9 (01:33:34):
Was how do you? How do you? How do you examine?
On direct Katie mcbanoa without leading because she's so reluctant
to give up her part. She still hasn't. And if

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you look at her her positions and they're pro or
I mean they're terrible, they're just she still can't really
come clean with all of it. I think she knows
sitting on a whole lot more. She wants to just
do the bare minimum because it's it's just not she

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can't really admit her own guilt, she keeps saying. But
Charlie's saying this, it doesn't matter. You're asked to. You're
basically like a translator, Katie. You're asking to translate these
code words, no matter who brought them up for the jury,
spill it.

Speaker 13 (01:34:45):
What might be good investment happened.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
If he had a good lead, if it was.

Speaker 7 (01:34:59):
Ru Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Yes, it is all right.

Speaker 13 (01:35:03):
We talked about the two scenarios. The paperwork.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
What was that?

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
That was the paper that was handed to his mom
by the undercover on.

Speaker 15 (01:35:12):
The Dulge restaurant. You see Charlie Ndelson pull out a
piece of paper. Was that the piece of the actual
that was handed to his mother?

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
I believe so, I just never saw it. He never
showed it to me.

Speaker 13 (01:35:22):
Okay, did he give you a phone number?

Speaker 9 (01:35:25):
He did?

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
That?

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
Was that six? That phone number that we just can't
seem to get right, the sixty five seventy Okay?

Speaker 9 (01:35:42):
And that said, she was an excellent witness, though she
didn't except for the beginning when she was. But she
she held back a little bit, and her holding back
just in gen she comes across as a truthful witness,

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an honest witness, and it's consistent with all the other
witnesses in this case. This is very hard for Donna
Adelson to get out of. I mean, I just remember
it like yesterday, they go, oh, why is the state
even calling her? She lied? The best that Dan Rashbaum

(01:36:25):
could do to put a dent into Katie mcmanawa's credibility
was when he brought up the fact that she had
an appeal going at the same time that she's testifying
saying she had nothing to do with it. This crime,

(01:36:46):
that was the that was the the a landing punch.
Aside for that, I don't remember any of the anything landing.

Speaker 7 (01:36:58):
He did.

Speaker 9 (01:36:58):
The old the only way for you to get out
of out of jail or prison is in a box
or to cooperate with the states. So of course you're
going to cooperate and we'll say anything they want. But
if you had nothing to do with it, it's awfully
hard to be fed the detailed information like the Moldy money, etc. Etc.

Speaker 7 (01:37:27):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:37:29):
A lot of details that you gotta know and timings
that our heart would be hard to memorize. I mean,
if she were really given all this information by the state,
she would say, oh, I met with Wendy and Donna.

(01:37:50):
Why not? Why not throw the whole family under the bus. Boy,
this is just not so helpful to the state if
they really fedter all this information. Let's say, just like
Charlie and Donna want to say, Boy, it's awfully mild.
If you have a witness who will be totally your puppet,
why don't say she met with Donna and Wendy and

(01:38:14):
they gave her cash.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
And.

Speaker 9 (01:38:18):
We know that they hung out at the beach. I'm
not talking about that, but I'm talking about it as
far as the planning of the murder, the whole family
she was in on she had talked to them many times.
I mean, that would really be helpful for them. But
I'm curious to hear those wire taps of Harvey if

(01:38:38):
they're going to come into the gates, I would think so.
I would think you talk about consciousness of guilt or
to show guilt. What innocent person would be trying to
pick off witnesses in their case? That's if it's true.
It may not be true what information came or if

(01:39:00):
she wasn't trying to eliminate witnesses, is she trying to
pay off witnesses. Let's hear the extent of Drina Bernhardt's testimony,
and I'm sure Donna Edelson lawyer are gonna say you
can't trust her, she's a felon. Also interesting to note
about Dreina Burt Bernhardt. Another interesting thing about her. Do

(01:39:23):
you guys know that she was missing for a while.
There is like a search for her in tallahassee.

Speaker 5 (01:39:35):
On.

Speaker 9 (01:39:38):
Let me just show you this was July thirteenth, two
thousand and twenty eight. She looks so different here, but
missing endangered person woman last seen Friday in area of
at Tafa Mean, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly.

(01:40:02):
The Tallahassee Police Department. Let me just get rid of
this thing on the bottom here. The Tallahassee Police Department
is seeking information about the location of Drina Bernhardt, a
thirty eight year old, last scene on Friday. Look how
different she looks there? Oh no, you can't see it.

(01:40:24):
Oh no, how is it coming up like that? Let
me take a screenshop for you. Hold on, guys, I
can't believe I've never even seen that being done before,
never even Oh now you can see it. Okay, all right,

(01:40:45):
but there she is, doesn't she look different?

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
Here?

Speaker 9 (01:40:49):
Let me go up to the missing endangered person woman,
last scene Friday. The Tallahassee the Police Department is seeking
information about the location of Darina Bernhardt, a thirty eight
year old, last seen on Friday while in the area
of the fifteen hundred block of Attapaine. She was seen

(01:41:14):
wearing a white T shirt, white pants, and no shoes
and no shoes, so was she homeless. She's about five
feet tall. Tallahassee Police Department express concern for her welfare
and police call them at blank number. But look how
different from that too? Let me just to how she

(01:41:41):
looks at her more recent mugshot here. Wow, huh.

Speaker 5 (01:41:55):
At any time after I know we talked about the
night of the money that you got the money, But
at any time after that, did you ever blackmail Charlie Aedelson?

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
No, Madmai did not.

Speaker 5 (01:42:06):
Did you ever?

Speaker 9 (01:42:07):
I didn't know that didn't just happen. That was twenty
and eighteen. She was missing for a while and police
were concerned about her welfare because she was last seen
wearing those shoes. So I wonder if she went through
a period of Homelessnes.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
Threatened him in any way, No, Mamo did not.

Speaker 5 (01:42:28):
Did you relay any threats on behalf of sick tread
of Garcia?

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):

Speaker 5 (01:42:33):
Did anyone ever make you extort any money or other
favors out of Charlie Aedelson? No, ma'am. Before the murder,
had you bragged to Garcia and or Rivera about my
new rich boyfriend.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
I never, I didn't even know he had money like that. Well,
I mean, he had a good job, and you know,
he had a nice house. But I wasn't aware of,
you know what, how much money he has.

Speaker 5 (01:42:57):
Okay, but he definitely had more than great Garcia, yes, ma'am. Okay.
And did you brag to Garcia, like, oh, I got
a new, better guy.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
I'm pretty sure he saw that I was happy and
I was, you know, going out to dinners and hanging
out with him.

Speaker 5 (01:43:12):
So okay. But did you tell them specifically he's got
a lot of money. No? Did you tell them specifically
he's got this issue with his sister's ex husband.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
I believe I mentioned it.

Speaker 9 (01:43:28):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 5 (01:43:29):
And when you talk to them about he's got this
issue with the sister's ex husband, was that in the
context of hiring them to do the murder or just
in just in general?

Speaker 9 (01:43:38):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:43:39):
So they were aware that he had this issue, well.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
Say Fredo was, yes, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:43:42):
Did you ever talk to Rivera about it?

Speaker 7 (01:43:44):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
I did not, okay. And when you talked to Sefredo
about it, did he ever say, well, I think I'll
just drive to tell Hasse and kill the guy or
anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
No, maam, he did not.

Speaker 9 (01:43:55):
Read And why you are thinking of to other witnesses
that Donna wanted to use that she was trying to
preserve their testimony before trial, And one was Cassidy. Oh boy,
let me, let me, let me get their names. Hold

(01:44:17):
on one second, they're just not coming. Cassidy is the name.
I want to say, Casey Cassidy. But hold on one second.
I'll I will tell you in one minute their names.
But it wasn't Drina. Drina is the state snitch. These
were two other other jailhouse friends of Donna's.

Speaker 5 (01:44:40):
Is that something he would have mentioned to you if
that was his idea?

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
Sigfredo doesn't say a lot of things to me, so,
and he likes to keep a lot of things away
from me. So I would have never asked me that
or told me that.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
Okay, But in this case, I guess okay. So, is
it possible that Secfredo and Rivera came to Tallahassee did
this killing without any communication from you or Charlie Adelson
just on their own? No, man, and then that extorted
Charlie Adelson through you to get money because they had

(01:45:12):
killed the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
No, that'd be impossible. How would they have any information?

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
Well, they could have seen it on the internet. No,

(01:45:39):
when you were talking about Wendy's husband and the problems
with him, to say, great Garcia, I know you've already
said this, but I just want to be crystal clear.
Did you say the name Dan Markel?

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
No, ma'am, I never knew Dan Markel's name.

Speaker 5 (01:45:55):
How was the name Dan Markel?

Speaker 9 (01:45:59):
Okay? There were two women, sorry, Cassidy Conroy and Brittany Percell.
Those were the two jail house. Is the jailhouse witnesses
to Katie talking about extortion that Donna wanted to use.
Ai e we two friends of Donna's she wanted to

(01:46:19):
use that had drug problems.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
The location and name of the target for this killing
provided to the killers.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
I believe it was all the information that was given
to Sifredo, which I got from Charlie, was all in
that paper paper provided by this defendant, Yes, ma'am, and
the inside the envelope.

Speaker 5 (01:46:39):
You have a moment to confer.

Speaker 9 (01:46:43):
P Okay. So this is a victim impact letter. On

(01:48:12):
one second, I don't know why it got moved. Please
hold the one I wanted got moved around. My apologies,
it's after this here we go. So this was written

(01:48:33):
September fifteenth, two and nineteen, when Judge Hankinson was the
judge to the Honorable James C. Hankinson. I met Danny
in the summer of two thousand and five, the year
I graduated law school and moved to DC to begin
a clerkship. It was a strange time for me, no

(01:48:58):
longer student but really anything else, buffeted by aught's, the
gnawing need to repay student loans TikTok, the need to
make friends, to find someone figure out whether this whole

(01:49:23):
law school run had been a waste. A friend from
law school, knowing I knew no one in DC, told
me I should meet his friend Wendy. I did, and
I enjoyed her company. But it was Danny who took

(01:49:43):
the lead. Seemed determined to get me fitted with a life.
He hosted me at their apartment for Shabbat dinner and
fed me, introduced me to all sorts of prominent professional
con texts and to eligible Jewish men. I was a

(01:50:05):
stranger in a strange land, and Danny knew just how
such a person should be treated by opening his home
making them feel cared for. He seemed to believe himself
endowed with an outsized set of talents and capacities, and

(01:50:29):
he was His charge then was to find those in
need share with them what he had. He was the
most presumptually, presumptuously excuse me, loving person I have ever known.

(01:50:50):
He never asked if you wanted or needed his advice,
inner interest, or love. He just assumed you did. In
my case, he wasn't wrong. In the years that I
knew him, there seemed to be almost nothing beyond his power.

(01:51:12):
Right out of a law firm when blogs were just
getting going, he started one of the most prominent and
popular for law professors, Having only just received an academic
posts himself. He was a consummate and natural host. A
few months after I met Danny, he ran into Zach,

(01:51:36):
an undergrad he mentored while in law school. At a wedding,
he harassed Ack by phone to get on a plane
from Los Angeles and fly to DC to take me
on a date. The plan was audacious and Danny relentless.

(01:51:57):
It was also just the Zach and I needed. More
than thirteen years and three kids later, I marvel still
at the power and reach at Danny's endless capacity for love.
But it was a blind spot too, as all strengths are.

(01:52:20):
I have no doubt that what propelled him into marriage
so quickly with Wendy was his irrefutable belief that he
could fix any problem, an answer any challenge. That she
didn't seem to share some of his values with regard
to religious observance, or even that she seemed reluctant to

(01:52:45):
marry him. She broke off their engagement at one point
when we were all still in DC. Seemed to him
mere kinks to work out, not impediments to a happy
married life. On October ninth, twenty twelve, soon after Wendy

(01:53:06):
took the kids and left him, he sent his vast
number of close friends and email. He told us that
he had come home from a work trip to a
ransacked home, that Wendy had left and taken the kids,
but that he was determined to win her back. He

(01:53:27):
concluded with this, you all know this, I'm sure, but
remember everything wonderful is also an already fragile love mightily
while you can. It was just like Danny, really at
the bottom of life's aublet, fretting over what might over

(01:53:55):
what he might impart to the rest of us. I
called him soon after receiving the email and opened with,
just in case it doesn't work out, I've got a
girl for you. I thought it would make him laugh,
and it did. The irony of my finding Danny someone

(01:54:16):
after he had found someone for me, it just so
happened that a friend of mine's sister had recently divorced.
But then he started to cry. What's going to become
of my boys? He said out loud, more to himself

(01:54:36):
or to God than to me. Their connection to Yoshidik
is already so attenuated. What's going to become of my beautiful,
magical boys. I assured him that he was still their

(01:54:58):
father and they would be fine. A great dad is
a powerful thing. Even after divorce. He would surely remain
a primary influence in their lives. What did I know?
All deaths are a loss, but I can't help thinking

(01:55:22):
Danny's measures far greater than most. He gave love so
generously from such abundant store. He never quit tending his friends,
offering his help. Our lost. Our loss is profound, but

(01:55:48):
his boy's loss is infinite. They would have received the
lion's share of all that he was and.

Speaker 5 (01:55:59):
What he had.

Speaker 9 (01:56:02):
They don't even know.

Speaker 16 (01:56:08):
Sincerely, Abigail, Schreier. That's what I have for today. Folks.

Speaker 9 (01:56:24):
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Speaker 7 (01:57:07):
To Dana, what a stitch your head? You got it
a murder because you wanted to raise your daughter's kids.
Tama has He's just to stop.

Speaker 14 (01:57:23):
On the way to civilization in Miami is where all
the fancy people are.

Speaker 11 (01:57:33):
The TV is about five. You can't get away from that.
Toutoe Tato huh you.

Speaker 7 (01:57:42):
Know the guy you pay me?

Speaker 11 (01:57:44):
Then you can't get away from that. Oh Hodna, what
a stitch your head? You thought chall was just for
the little people, but now you're so like it's with
the locked up crow.

Speaker 7 (01:57:59):
You're a f mother is locked out and you'll.

Speaker 11 (01:58:02):
One way ride to freedom your blood, Gona, what a
stitch your head? Your family are exiled from the social

(01:58:27):
circles you swam in.

Speaker 7 (01:58:30):
We all, no, you never made that banana break your.

Speaker 11 (01:58:34):
Offer to babysit for dance, but you'll soon be naked
in license plates and thinking.

Speaker 7 (01:58:41):
A babble could have been Oh GONEA. You had to
plan a murder, don't. The cold does not turn under

(01:59:07):
the thumb at them, the count the down

Speaker 5 (02:00:00):
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