October 13, 2025 • 77 mins
“I am going to prison for a murder I did not commit.” Donna Adelson’s speech was a list of grievances, an attack on the Markel family that should have never been allowed to happen. Judge Everett let the Markel family down in this hearing. Let’s talk about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Donna Agelson from Coral Springs, Florida. I want to hear
all about your Donna's well.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm a domestic coordinator.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
A domestic coordinator.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yes, I'm responsible for the activities, classes and lessons of
my son Robert, who was sixteen, Charlie who was twelve,
Whendy who was ten, my husband.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Harvey, who's in the audience, and my dog Sam.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, and how old is Sam? Five? Five colors?
Give our best? Nice to have your airic.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Cop and bottles work, don, consonants are gonna be or.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
There's a I'm glad to have this again personally, hasn't categories?
Still your turn? Letter beats? Hell? Help, no hell? Donna,
m yes, there are two ms. Let him come up
your five seconds person.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Ellen, okay, yes, Kim mhm Mustard maker, Yes, there's one
age time starts now.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Mm hmm Don yes, mister.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Nice mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
You are listening to the ROBERTA. Glass True Crime Report
putting the true back in true crime from New York City.
Speaker 7 (01:53):
ROBERTA.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Glass is now on the record. M all right, we're back.
(02:14):
What is sentencing? Boy, I've been sitting on so much
through that whole sentence, like so much I wanted to
talk about. Thanks for everyone for joining me over here.
I appreciate it, thanks to everybody's watching on x and
other places. Appreciate that. All right, so let's get into
(02:41):
Donna Aedelson sentencing hearing very much focused on Donna Edelson,
her feelings, her unfair trial. Donna Aedelson, I mean, you
can kind of see her in the beginning of the hearing.
Let's get to that. So just right at the beginning,
(03:04):
just let me go through my intro and everything like that,
you can watch her. Look at that face. I think
the face says it all. She's angry. She's angry. She
was pissed, so she's gone from self pity and you know,
(03:27):
we saw her reaction when she got sentenced. She got
warned that she was going to get thrown out of
the courtroom because she was so boohooing and feeling so
sorry for herself. And what did she think was going
to happen. I don't know if she thought. I thought
(03:48):
she did. I mean, I'm in the minority. I thought
she had a better defense than Charlie Edleson did. It
wasn't by much. It's really a draw. At least she
had witnesses, and she could have taken the stand. I
(04:08):
wish she had, But so we had doctor Graeber first,
and this was just the most So this is doctor Graeber,
who inserted himself about two years ago. He says into
this he was of a family friend back in the day.
(04:34):
They had a falling out because the Weinstein's who are
who is Who's a judge? Who's Wendy? Is it Michael?
I'm getting them confused. But is it Michael Weinstein and
his son? Or is Michael Winstein's the son? And it's
(04:57):
hold on one second. He is the judge. What's his
first name? May look in the comments. It's a judge. Oh,
it's a judge. And he's Wendy Aedelson's godfather. He had
run for office and they had supported the wine scenes
and not supported Graber. But I mean, all Graper wanted
(05:21):
to talk about was how he believes Donna Aigolson is innocent.
Some people believe in the flatter, other people believe that
they're a rare alien species. I mean, people's beliefs go
all can get as wild. What are you exactly basing
(05:42):
it on? You noticed he didn't come up with any
like I believe Donna Aigelson is innocent. You didn't come
up with any heavy evidence for innocence. I believe Donna
Adelson is innocent because of A, B and C. There's
this evidence to point too. There's that evidence to point too.
(06:02):
He believes that Charlie Aedelson and Catherine mcmanua bamboozled Donna.
I mean, we heard Robert Aedelson's testimony. Actually we didn't
hear it. It was actually in a hearing, but it was
in the moving papers. In this case. He says, like,
my mother is not easily fooled. She's not easily bamboozled
(06:25):
or manipulated, but Grabor thinks she could be. But this
was all about Graber and everything that he all. The
whole is the accomplishments. This was outrageous that they didn't
cut this guy off. I guess I didn't want her
anything to appeal on, but come on, I mean, it
(06:49):
was such an abuse of the court.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Silence.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Perhaps so, I believe recount part of might understand.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
The key in this is the is the Donna. Let's
go over some of the evidence. The key is that
Donna Aedelson made the appointment for Wendy. Now I've actually
seen their like unicorns. The Adolsen supporters in the chat
occasionally they make comments. They said, well, the TV was
(07:33):
bought for Wendy. Why was it bought for Wendy? You
know what I mean? Like, why did this thing need
to be repaired? It couldn't be repaired in this day
and age. There's a repair shop in Chinatown that does all,
you know, all the kind of outdated machines that are
(07:54):
kind of rare and unusual now v vhs, and you
down there and people repair them. They bring them down
for repair. But a TV, like a flat screen TV,
even the kind you find in a door room, that's
the way this was described. You have to know that
(08:16):
that can't be repaired. It's not made to be repaired.
It's made to be thrown out and replaced. The parts
have gotten so cheap and that's why they break, so
we don't repair them. But I mean, you can understand
if it's something like some kind of I don't know,
rare tape recorder, even a real de reel. I'm going
(08:39):
back way back, but they were made of more expensive
parts that you could replace and made in a way
that you could repair it. She had to know it
couldn't be repaired. John A. Edelsen was key. We saw
her talking to during the bump down by the boats.
The picture the defend the prosecution and showed of Donna
(09:02):
and Charlie talking the phone conversations. It involves the two
of us. I mean, what evidence do you have doctor Graeber,
and he's a gynecologist. He had his own scandal for
(09:25):
not for giving a procedure that is, how do I
make this as YouTube friendly as that possible? A procedure
that is very contested in America to a underage gnological
procedure to a child after a kind of crime happened
(09:50):
to her. Not reporting it is that Does everybody get
what I'm saying? I hope so. So that's his history.
So his morals are fast and loose. He never reported
it that this child had been victimized to the police.
He just did the procedure. He took his money.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Y the victims.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Here are families to watch the.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Dish okay, so that he says the victims are both families.
No one has suffered like the Markel's, the Aedelson family whatever. However,
it's it's caused riffs in the family because some of
some members, not Robert decided to commit a murder. Is
(10:47):
there karma they're they're they're doing not even karma doing.
The Markel's did nothing. They don't get to see Dan Markel.
He's dead. You can't equate. They have a missing member
of their family forever. But it gets worse. So we
(11:09):
had him and then he talked about all his achievements.
I won't bore you with it. I just wanted to highlight.
I mean, he went on forever about how he made laws,
and I thought, this is what's wrong with America. People
like this narcissistic, criminal, loving ahole. Excuse my language, but
(11:31):
it's making laws, pro criminal laws. That's part of the
problem in our society is people like that get into power.
And we had this guy, you know, whose wife was there,
I believe when she was planning to flee the country.
(11:56):
And then it gets to Harvey. So we have all
these people saying when Donna's wonderful, etcetera, etcetera. You notice
Wendy wasn't in the courtroom, she had no statement for
her mother. Then we get to Harvey's statement, and that's
what I really want to highlight here.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Without her hand in mind.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Oh sorry, may go back to the bed.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
You can over your hair.
Speaker 9 (12:29):
You thank you, judge and respected offices of the court
for allowing me to speak. I have been Donna Edelson's
husband for over fifty years. My wife sacrificed everything so.
Speaker 10 (12:44):
That she could pour her art and sold into our children,
our grandchildren, and our marriage. This summer was our fifty
fourth wedding anniversary, and I had to spend it without
her hand in mind?
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Do you know how many holidays that the Markel family
have had to spend now without Dan Markel even available
for a zoom call or getting a card, getting no hanikah?
We just had the Jewish New Year? How many years
(13:26):
since twenty fourteen it's been totally absent and he's not
coming back thanks to Donna and co. So spare me this.
Speaker 11 (13:38):
I'm not being wrong, and.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yet it is being punished for a crime. But she
did not committion.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
So here we have the wrongful convictions movements their gift
to American society. How many times have we all heard it,
I've been accused of a crime, even when they're convicted,
I've been accused. They never used the word convicted. I've
been accused of a crime I didn't commit. And we've
(14:05):
had so much media on these wrongfully convicted people that
now we have people. It's just it's part of the lexicon,
American lexicon, this phrase.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I thought we lived in a different kind of world,
but I guess I was wrong.
Speaker 12 (14:22):
I have listened, watched as sat in the courtroom for
the entire trial, and I could not help but screamed
in my mind, why the witnesses that were brought forward
by the prosecution who told outright lies.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I didn't know that you could lie in a courtroom.
Speaker 9 (14:43):
What a power do you can?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Danny's parents contende me.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
I think, okay, So he's saying that the prosecution lied,
and then he offers no, I mean you think he
said he wanted to scream so often in his mind
because there was so many lies. You would think you
would have a handful to choose from. Let's start hearing
some of these lies. Now is your time to Now
(15:09):
you think this is your time to share this. Like
I said before, as we were watching this, when I
was at Claire Baroffin's sentencing, Judge Garif, she started going
into her innocence and he said, the jury is spoken,
(15:30):
make your point, like cut it off like I'm not
going to hear any claims of innocence and Judge Evart
just let this go on. He made it clear, like
how many times I'm not does this relate to sentencing?
Does this relate to her good character? That's for the
appeals court. It's not for here to air your grievances.
(15:53):
But he wasn't tough enough. He didn't have enough control
in this particular sentencing here. I thought he's one of
my more I think he's a good judge. I didn't
think he had enough control for this. It should have
been shut down, and he does shut it down. But
listen to how late he shuts it down. You have
(16:15):
to nip it in the bud, like right away.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
They have never seen.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
What for years?
Speaker 12 (16:21):
For years they say they've never seen her, But Wendy
has shared with me.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
He says they've never seen her their grandchild. Her interesting slip.
I don't think they ever said that. They said that.
My memory of their victim impact statement is that their
meetings are controlled and they're awkward because they've been cut out.
(16:52):
So what Donna did, and I can't believe the prosecution
didn't put on a rebuttal sor. But I think they
just thought it was like Judge Everett knew it was
a waste of time. But Donna Adelson changed the kids'
names with Wendy right away. They robbed the children of
(17:15):
their name, They robbed them of their of anything to
do with their father's family. And it's interesting that he
starts out saying that she was most helpful to her children,
and she dedicated everything to her family because that was
the thing she could control. They were they were all
(17:40):
expressions of her that she could control and the ultimate
control power and controls murder. And she wanted to get
into the criminal game. She got into it, and she
found out how it turned out not well for her.
Speaker 12 (18:00):
M videos and letters for their visitors, they have suffered immensely.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
At the loss of their son, but they.
Speaker 12 (18:09):
Also contend to tell lies to the court about our grandchildren.
Donna has always been a loving and caring wife.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And it's innocent of the.
Speaker 12 (18:22):
Charges A bias judge and jury were influenced by years
of one son.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
A bias judge. This is this is the cajones on
Harvey Edelson to call the judge bias to his face
then and then insult the jury he did.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
News pieces and social doctor. This has nothing to do
with a character.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
I mean, if they release her jail house calls, it
is going to be outrageous. This is what they talk
about all the time. I would think on jail house calls,
how unfair the trial was, how biased the judge was,
how terrible the jury was, how terrible Tallahassee was. When
(19:26):
if and when these jail house calls come out, we're
gonna hear all about it. So this is funny. So
Jackie Fulford has to has to help him page through
to the part where it doesn't mention how awful the
(19:46):
judge and the jury and how innocent his wife is,
and cutting out almost the entire She realizes there's nothing
in there that he can talk about. So she says, well,
maybe the end, maybe the end, but it's all about
how it's still he's still going on about how listen
(20:09):
to this, how biased and unfair the trial was.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
The way you.
Speaker 9 (20:23):
Continue, Donna did not participate in the heinous acts that
she was convicted of doing.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It, you're sending an innocent woman to prison.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
You have taken my wife and that and you have
taken my life as well, and for what This is
not justice, it is vengeance.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
You've taken my life. As he stands there speaking breathing,
so outrageous, so outrageous, so outrageous.
Speaker 13 (21:02):
This is a.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Revictimization of the Markelle family that should have never been allowed,
never been allowed. So then it comes time for Donna's statement. Right,
(21:36):
let's go to Donna's statement. And that was the most
outrageous of all. So she's been saving up all of
this for for saving up all her anger to unleash
it at her sentencing, the time when she wants the
judge to be the kindest to her. But she doesn't
(21:59):
care anymore because it's a mandatory life sentence. So what
does she have. She's got nothing to lose. Now she's
going to let out her all her anger on the court.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Okay, is this letter of judge, but I can hear it.
Thank you for letting me speak.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
My son in law, Dan Markhill, was a fine and
decent man. He was well educated and passionate about his career.
He was a good son in law, but more importantly,
he was a caring and loving father.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
On July eighth, this is this is the statement that
Charlie's ex girlfriend said, she made after his murder. Was
everyone's talking about him like he's he was this beloved professor.
He was a jerk. Just keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
He's twenty fourteen. His car was followed leaving his home.
It should have been just like any other day, an
ordinary day in the life of Ben and Lincoln's father.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But it wasn't. He didn't know when he left his
boys off at.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Take care that would be the last time he would
see them and the last time they would see him.
He didn't know when he went to the gym afterwards
that would be the last time he would exercise. And
he didn't know when he drove home that his life
(23:47):
would end within minutes. Danny wasn't just being followed.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
He was being hunted. He was brutally murdered in broad daylight,
sitting in his car in his garage by vicious killers.
I cannot imagine.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
It's vicious killers that were there on the Adelsen dime.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Pointed him through the window of his car.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Here she's getting off, reliving her her murder, her ultimate
exercise of power and control. She's enjoying this, really re
living this, and this is something jack Jackie Fulford. I
think her lawyer is very much in the same personality
(24:43):
type as Donna. She loves talking about these kind of
minute details around the murder. He's holding his hand up,
the fear he must have experienced. She's a dark and
disturbed woman, as is Donna.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I cannot conceive of his heroic efforts to stay alive
during the hours after the attack. Danny died of the
early morning hours of July nineteenth. His death is a
loss to his children, his parents, Yes, his sister.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
It's a really good point, kath And when I can answer,
Katine says, what is her goal here? With all this
feels so weird to even have Donna utter his name.
Her goal is PR. They're very aware of the PR.
She blames podcasters. She blames me as part of the problem,
(25:49):
me by channel with all the episodes I've made on
this of this case, as part of the problem that
convicted her. I mean, the reason why everyone agrees about
this case. And I'm not certain because you know the
(26:10):
other cases where there is a huge, even a substantial
group of people who want to get a certain psychopathic
murderer added prison or off. I'm confused because to me,
all the evidence is as strong as in this case.
(26:30):
So it's not the strength of the evidence. I think
it's just that the Adelson family is so unlikable that
nobody really wants to root for them. I think that's
what it comes down to. I mean, so, what they're
bringing up specifically is that we don't have tapes or
(26:55):
videos of her plotting and planning this crime, so we
had to infer from the evidence that it was plotted
and planned. But the way we know it is planned,
or the way I look at it, is going back
and I really didn't finish my thought. The bad habit
of doing that with the going back to the TV
(27:21):
and TV became she made the TV repair. They admitted,
if you go to my shorts, I can play one
if you want. They admit that that's her alibi. Why
did Wendy leave her alibi that day and drive by
the crime scene? That wasn't part of the plan. Wendy
wasn't supposed to drive by the crime scene, and they
(27:43):
admit it. They say, why did she drive by? Charlie
and Donna are talking on the phone after his conviction.
Why did she couldn't help herself? Meaning why Wendy got
me convicted? If she hadn't driven driven by the crime
scene made it so obvious that she was making sure
and Donna says, well, she's checking to see if it
(28:06):
was done. So we can only infer by the evidence
that there was plotting and planning in this, by the
way that this crime was set up, and by the
way the co conspirators talked to one another. But for
her lawyer to come in and say, well, that's as
sign of her evidence that we don't have evidence of that, why,
(28:29):
I mean, how would we have evidence of that? Would
we have tapes in their home? Would would the government
be taping their home when there when the whole family's
plotting this. No, they weren't dumb enough to do it
via text message. They were sworn enough not to conspire
via text message, or if they did talk via text message,
(28:52):
very much like Karen Reid, they talked via an app
that would automatically delete that go to be tracked, right,
So they didn't leave much. They didn't write each other
emails about how they were conspiring. But during the bump
they were taped and you could hear that they were conspiring.
(29:13):
They were smart enough even during the bump to not
talk overtly but they made They made admissions right by
not by saying what what what is this? Why are
(29:35):
we being Why do they think we're part of this murder? Right?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
So back to Donna, all of us and his family,
his friends, his colleagues in the legal community, and to
his students at FSU Law School. Stanny's boys each cup
of photo of themselves with their Abba. They're dad beside
(30:05):
their beds. They grew up kissing the frame photo and
singing good night.
Speaker 14 (30:12):
Abba, I love you, the pictures and memories for all
they have.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Because cruel, cold hearted.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
People took him from all of us who loved him.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
My heart was broken went in, Wow, that's interesting. She
knows she did this. So I love when people say, oh,
she's convinced herself that she didn't take part in this.
Now she knows she did it. She wants us to
think she didn't do it. She's admitting she's cruel and
(30:48):
cold hearted, and you can see by the lacketeers that's true.
She means that I was talking. I put up a
new episode of My Patriot on about Donna's reaction is
there's been footage of her after the verdict being brought
into jail. She wants you to feel sorry for her.
(31:13):
She's really I mean, think about this family. There are
family of everything was image they wanted to come across
as the perfect family and the family. People that knew
this family that I've talked to say that they were
so perfect they couldn't stand it. She has one she's
got a dentist son, a doctor son, a lawyer daughter.
(31:41):
Father's a dentist, she works, and they've been married for
so long. They they don't seem to have any problems.
They were They were the last people you would think
would be involved in a murder. The only failure in
this family was Wendy's marriage. Boy. They wanted to eradicate
(32:03):
the memory of that marriage off the face of this earth.
And Dan Marquel was not refused to be bullied by
this family that brought on his murder. They wanted him
(32:23):
to say, take the kids to Miami. Do what his
crime was, you know, to be an involved father, something
most people would want. I mean, there's studies on fathers
who were involved in their children are legend as to
(32:43):
making successful children. To take that from them and say, oh,
they'll just do fine with one parent, and time will
tell to see how even Lincoln grow up and do
And I think there will be a time and I
think it's probably starting now when they come to terms
(33:05):
and they wake up to what their mother did, what
their grandmother did. Right now, they're believing everything that the
family's telling them, that Tallahassee is so unfair, that this
was a witch hunt, that they are two innocent people convicted.
But there will be a time when their skepticism will
(33:26):
will start to bug them and there will be some
kind of other rift and they'll start to look into it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
My grandsons were going to grow up without the father
who loved them. I wnswered, how could we help these
boys through this trauma? It was dead that my husband
and I knew that the best way to honor Daddy's
memory would be to share with these children and a
(34:00):
bunsence of love, the love that Sandie would have given
them if he were alive. It is interesting how the
state can't make up its mind about who is what
they call the quote mastermind behind this murder. If both
of Catherine mcbanna was trials, the state claims she was
(34:23):
the mastermind behind to Eddy's murder and my son Charlie
Aedelson's trial.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
They claimed he was the mastermind.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
That is a complete fiction invented by Donna. Katherine mcbanowell
was never described as anything but the middlewoman. I saw
those two trials, we all saw them. We all saw
Charlie's trial. He wasn't described as the mastermind. Only Donna
has ever been described as the mastermind. And I don't
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think that that was really their argument. I mean, we
can go through the state's closing again. The conviction was
never about about Donna. Whether Donna was the mastermind or not,
it was always her involvement. I mean, she wants to
dumb it down to that. Okay, maybe she was the
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mastermind of all the defendants we've had, but certainly Charlie
wasn't described that way, nor Catherine.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And now in my trial they claimed that, I this
grandma was the mastermind behind the murder. I had no
idea that other people plans to come Dandy's life short.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
There she is, there's using her age. This gradma, this
grandma was the mastimite me, seventy five year old Donna,
this nice Jewish grandmother was the mast to bite a
master bite apamda moda imagine that, I mean, silly, here
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she is we knew she would use her age. You
notice that her hearing is miraculously healed after as soon
as the verdict came down, she no longer needed to
use headphones. She hasn't needed to use headphones. She didn't
need to use headphones before the proceedings, only during the
trial in front of the jury. Now after the verdict,
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no headphones. I can't believe Judjeh Edward didn't ask a
question about that, just to put it on the record.
You don't need headphones, missus Adelson, you don't need them.
You're okay, you can hear, okay, funny right. I mean,
this is a family that is always operated by image,
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by image, and this is something very common. And all
the murderers I talk about I don't look like the
type of person who looked who could commit something like this?
Who does? I mean, we have had had some creepy,
you know, serial killers, creepy. There are a few who
do who look like the type, but mostly the people
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on trial do not. You wouldn't pick them out. But
they showed you five people and a murderer. I don't
think anyone in my audience could pick out who's the murderer.
It's all walks of life, all types. One thing that
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they all have in common is an incredible lack of
empathy and an incredible narcissism. Doesn't mean you're There's lots
of people with those qualities that don't murder anyone.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
And the people who said this are exactly where they
deserve to be. But I had no knowledge that this horrible,
evil act was going to take place. If I had
become aware of this plan before Danny was murdered, I
would have stopped it. With not one iota of actual evidence,
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the state convinced the Tallahassee jury that I solicited and
conspired with other people to have Danny killed.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Where is the evidence prior to the murder?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
The evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the state needed to.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Prove their case.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Well, they didn't, and that's why they didn't go to
trial for years. See, this is exactly what I was
talking about. It's kind of a clever argument. Honestly, It's
pretty clever to say, well, what's the evidence you have
of me conspiring? Again again, I'll ask, are we supposed
to assume that the government was taping your home? Are
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we to assume? And if you had been dumber. Criminals
certainly would have been easier. But yet a lawyer in
the family, you were smart. You didn't write anything down,
you didn't tell other people, You didn't confess. Only in
prison did you confess that you did it? And jail,
I'm sorry, did confess in jail, did tell your jailmate
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you did it? But okay, mistakes made. But so you're
asking pre murder, what is the what? You didn't leave
a lot of tracks, that was the idea you would.
You tried to commit the perfect murder. And you didn't
write any emails, you didn't write any text messages, and
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certainly there were recordings and we weren't recording your phone calls.
So yeah, there's not a lot. That's why the bump
was done. And we did record your phone calls, and
you didn't talk overtly, but you did talk overtly about it,
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and you did make adoptive emissions. You want me to
go over that again, I will. So what's an adoptive admission?
So it's like I'll use Robert Durst as as a
good example. This is where such a good example of
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adoptive emission. He watched the movie about his life all
good things, which portrayed him taking part in multiple murders,
but it did also portray him as being very cruel
to his dogs and killing his dogs. And he said
to the filmmaker, he said it was pretty good. He
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thought it was really pretty accurate, except for the part
about his dogs that he didn't like. So that's an
adoptive admission. He didn't have a problem. So he's admitting
that he did it silently by saying that it was accurate.
All the parts that portrayed him killing Kathy Durst, going
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on killing other people, that was all Morris Black, et cetera.
That was all accurate. So there's an adopted mission. Did oh.
When Charlie Aedelson and Don Aedielson talked, Dona Aedelson didn't say,
why are they giving me this piece of paper with
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Dan Markel a story about Dan Markel's murder on it?
I had nothing to do with that. Why are they
asking me for five thousand dollars? I don't know anything
about this? What are we going to do? Let's go
to the police instead. She said it involved the two
of us. That's an adoptive admission, Okay, submission right out.
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But the fact that she didn't say what is this
and she said, well, the TV is about five she's
admitting that she planned this, that there was plotting and planning.
So it was inferred, Donna, to answer your question, where
is the evidence of you plotting and planning this? It's
inferred in the evidence, specifically around the TV, specifically around
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all the tapes in the bump. And this is not
a good pr offensive that you and Harvey have done.
You think you're putting out your side of the story
and that you're going to bring some of the public
behind you, but it's not going to work. You're not likable.
Way to get likable is to admit that you did this.
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You could have admitted that you've done this, saved everyone
the trial, thrown yourself on the mercy of the court.
Or you could have admitted you've done this years ago
and you may have gotten some kind of you know,
you probably would have been done your stint in prison,
been out like Luis Rivera like around his time he
got there first.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Where is the evidence before July eighteenth, twenty fourteen, at
ten fifteen in.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
The morning, before you contend, as it relates to this statement,
is the defense trying to reargue the truck.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
Radelsome. You certainly can continue. However, the court can take
into consideration the utter lack of remorse that you are displaying.
Please perceive if you desire to do so.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
Look at this moment. This is such an interesting moment.
Right here. She's saying, hmm, so I can go forward
with all my complaints, and she goes f it. It's
a mandatory minimum of life sentence. So what do I
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have to lose? Because even if she does the life sentence, okay,
even if that gets overturned, she still has the conspiracy charges.
She's got three charges to overturn. And you can see
Judge Everts spoiler alert when he was asked to downgrade
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those charges. You could see he was tempted and didn't,
probably because of this. And it was all like poorly
thought out, like all to Donna's impulses, And that's very
much like her defense. It was like to her impulses,
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you know, to have her friends testified for her in
ways that were unbelievable and not convincing. You know, she
finds them convincing. They're her friends. She's like, we're not
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the type of people to do this. Good enough They
thought this would be good enough that they get away
with this crime because they're not the type worked with
Amanda Knox, but she had a million dollars a pr
behind her, So that's another story. How that thing worked amazing.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
So where is.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
The evidence before July eighteenth, twenty fourteen, at ten fifty
eight that revealed that I had any involvement in this
file and horrific act? Where is the solicitation and conspiracy evidence?
The state needed to show that there was evidence before
the murder to convict me. The state couldn't show that
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because there wasn't any evidence. They were trying an innocent person.
It makes you wonder if the jurors were sleeping when
the state had Sergeant Corbitt on the stand for hours.
Their own star witness testified that my phone was never
I repeat never at my son's house on the night
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of the murder. The state's theory that my husband and
I dropped off money to my son was blown out
of the water by their own witness, and yet the
state continued to push that story that lie of the
so called money drops to the jury through the remainder
of the trial, and the jury bought into a hook
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light and sicker reasonable doubt. Many months ago, my attorneys
files a motion for a change of venue. An expert
witness testified that Tallahassee had been baraged with over nine
years of troy.
Speaker 6 (47:20):
I have done so much. You can check out all
my episodes on Amanda Knox playlists going over all the evidence.
There's a lot of DNA evidence, a lot against against
Amanda Ox. There's mixed blood of the victim, Amandonox all
over the house. There's their DNA on the handle of
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the knife, the victims DNA on the blade. There's all
of Amanda Knox's lies, the fact that when her alibi
was pulled, that she falsely accused her boss, and that
when they finally a dure a lot of political pressure
on the Court of Castaceans, Italy's highest court. She got there.
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They illegally threw out all the DNA evidence against her,
which doesn't make any sense because this was a group crime.
The other guy that they convicted was black. Somehow the
DNA evidence that convicted him was reliable, but the evidence
that convicted rap that you white people in this is
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somehow now same investigators, same lab It's now unreliable and
have to throw it all out. So that's how they
got her out because they knew they were they So
the court that let her go her great exoneration determined
that she was there at the scene of the crime,
that she washed the victim's blood off of her ants,
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and that this was a crime done of multiple people,
as did every court that looked at it said that
multiple people did this crime. So why I'm manned an
oxy isn't looking for the other people that committed this
crime with Rudy Gooday is something that for people I
have to think about social.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Media, news, television, news, and podcast publicity about my family.
He explains to the court, both with evidence and demonstratives
that for me to receive a fair trial, it needs
to be held in any of the research designated areas
in the state of Florida other than Tallahassee. All I
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wanted was a level playing field, but the court wanted
to trial here in the hotbed of Tallahassee.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I sat through three days of jury selection.
Speaker 6 (49:47):
Day says she sat through days of jury selection. She thought,
you know, I mean, she may have a point that
they could have moved it to a different venue and
much expense to the taxpayers. But I think the judge
knew it would have gotten the same result. When you
look at the actual juror who's spoken, she didn't know
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anything about this case really before she sat on the jury.
No one was biased against her. She helped picked out
the jury. It's not like there's you know, you can
listen to her talk about it and what she felt
about it, and she thinks Wendy was in on it.
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Has anyone ever seen a guilty person not claimed they
were innocent. Yeah, they stand up and they make a
deal with the state and they don't go to trial.
That's the difference, you know, I think you're talking about, right,
They don't go to trial. They make a deal, and
there are guilty people say they did it. They make
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a deal with the state and they go to prison.
Luis Rivera one said, I did it, got a better deal.
The risks that you're taking is it you know you
can get away with it. People do get away with it.
In our system, they get it. Guilty people get acquittals.
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That's how it goes.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
One hundred and eighty potential jurors were asked if they
had developed an opinion in my case. Those that answered yes,
also added, I believe she is guilty. Not one person,
not one said I think she may be innocent.
Speaker 6 (51:45):
I think she may be. It isn't Yeah, because they
didn't want to serve jury duty. That's the easiest way
to get off jury duty. I've heard about this case.
I think she's guilty. Gone. Who wants to spend two
weeks of their life in court? Maybe weirdos like me.
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I enjoyed my time. I didn't. I mean, I expected
to be thrown out of jury duty, but I got
a lot out of it, got to learn how the
way jurors think and what the deliberation process is like.
I got a lot out of it. But I thought
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I was going to get booted out of there immediately.
We were all laughing. I said it was going to
be fifteen seconds or thirty seconds before they boot me out.
And I was the only one picked in my group
of fifty. So you don't know, you don't know, but
very few people want to serve on jury duty. You
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lose money, yes, it's you know, it's not helpful unless
you make a career out of it, like you know,
you get it, like the foreman did it. Karen Reid's
trial you get a dr agent, but nobody wants to
serve on jury duty. Back to Donna.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
That should have been a clue to the court to
grants our emotion for a change of venue. But the
court denied the motion. One of my jurors admitted during
jury selection that she had background information concerning what one
of the state's witnesses would be testifying about. Why was
she allowed to be on my jury? What another juror?
Speaker 8 (53:47):
Again, this has nothing to do without accution of any sort.
This is a raising of grievances which are properly given
to the impellate court. What does any of do have
to do?
Speaker 6 (54:09):
Do you notice that Donna looks to the side a lot,
like her eyes to the side. Do you think it
sort of makes her she sort of like makes herself small,
like she's she slumps and then she looks to the
side like I'm just a small, little old lady. Yeah,
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I'm just giving my grievousness. This is unfair. It was unfair.
I tell you it was unfair. Unfair. Try Why was
she allowed to serve on my jewelry? Why? Why my
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boyfriend just came in and goes what you get? I
go life, everything they didn't downgrade anything. He's like, oh God, justice,
small amount of justice we have. Damn Markel can't be
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brought back. I mean, you know, these crimes, it's not
that we love seeing people go to prison or be punished.
It's that it's a small amount of justice we have
in our society. These crimes have such large reverberations, and
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if you think about all the people affected, it's just unknown.
One life. And you take a life like this from
all Dan Marquel's students, to the people he bought a
paper from, or who saw him regularly at a store
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or enjoyed talking to him. You know, we don't hear
from those people. It's a full life at the gym,
at the all the people who knew and loved him.
You're robbing all those people, not just his children, not
just the people, not just his friends. Not that's just
the people that we hear from. You have to think
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about all the people we don't hear from. It's a
massive But the Agolesns are so narcissistic. They think that
their judgment is like God's judgment, the ultimate judgment on someone.
They thought he was a zealot, a horrible person, a jerk,
and they thought everyone would think he's a jerk, because
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all you know, they live in an echo chamber and
their family is very cult like.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
What happened to Danny is unforgivable. But I am an
inficent woman convicted of this terrible crime without evidence. Danny
was a brilliant legal scholar. He would have been appalled
at the total lack of justice that went on during
my trial. He would have been embarrassed to have his
name associated with any of this. There are two crimes here.
Speaker 6 (57:49):
This is the most disgusting, stomach turning point. This is
what I do. I was like, I have to, I
have to comment on this. This is the part of
her elocution that you really want to comment on this,
She said, just to go back, Danny was a brilliant
legal scholar, and he would be appalled Bye bye his
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murderer being convicted. He would be stunned and outraged at
one of his murderers being convicted. That was just an
absolute abuse, revictimization of the Markelle family. I can't believe
this was allowed to go on in court. Revolting, excuse me, disgusting.
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Wesley loves october Fest justice. Finally, Sir, thanks for being
a member, Wesley. I was gonna count on you. Kat Doorfu,
thank you, Wesley. Probably everyone's sick of hearing my voice
at this point. I've been on Live for so long,
over so long. I was gonna, hopefully, I was going
to do another one too. After this. I don't know
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if I can. I hope, but hopefully I can believe
in this soon and I can go on to the
other topic.
Speaker 3 (59:04):
His name associated with any of it. There are two
crimes here. The first was Danny being viciously murdered. The
second one is taking my life, the life of an
innocent woman. Convicting me should not be retribution for Danny's death.
That is not justice for Dad.
Speaker 6 (59:27):
Again, your life isn't taken. You have your life. Your
lifestyle has been taken, but not your life.
Speaker 3 (59:35):
I've always respected the law. I've never gotten a parking ticket.
But I'm going to prison for a murder I did
not commit, and to INTENSI file an appeal so that
hopefully I have the opportunity to be given a fair
trial outside of Tallahassee eleven years ago.
Speaker 6 (59:58):
Danny. So we know that Donna Edelson is very well
versed in the wrongful conviction movement stuff. He or she
is again, Harvey said the sentence. We know she is
because when she got Josh Duben, she read all about
Josh Duben, who's an Innocence Project ambassador. This is the
sentence that they all say. I was accused of a
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crime I didn't commit. Did she say she was convicted?
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
You intends to file an appeal so that hopefully I
happy opportunity to be given a fair trial outside of Tallahassee.
Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
She said I was convicted of a crime I didn't commit.
At least she said convicted.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
He is unforgivable.
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
But I am an innocent woman convicted of this terrible
crime without evidence.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Danny was a brilliant legal scholar.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
He would have been appalled at the total lack of
justice that would on.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
During my trial.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
He would have been embarrassed to have his name associated
with any of this. There are two crimes here. The
first was Danny being viciously murdered. The second one is
taking my life, the life of an innocent woman. Convicting
me should not be retribution for Danny's death. That is
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not justice for Dad. I've always respected the law. I've
never gotten a parking ticket. But I'm going to prison
for a murder I did not commit.
Speaker 6 (01:01:36):
She's going to prison. See, they never can say convicted.
She's going to prison for a murder she did not commit.
It's leaving out the trial. So she's saying two crimes
have been done here. She's equating Dan's murder with her conviction.
Then that her conviction you heard her say, took her life.
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So she's been murdered by the state, by the prosecution,
by the unfair trial. She still has her life, she
can still see her husband. Her lifestyle has been taken away,
but not her life. It's really revolting everything. I hate.
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I can't believe that this was allowed to go on
in this courtroom. It should have been stopped, but I
guess he knew that there's no way to stop it,
and it was. I mean, you know, I don't know.
Could she appeal? I'm asking lawyers out there. Could she
appeal if she had been cut off? I mean, someone
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has to protect the Markelle family. Who's protecting the Markelle
family here? Who's standing up for the Markelle family? And
I think the prosecution I don't know. I mean, it's
just like Dan Markell was so let let out, like
let forgotten in this hearing. If there were victim impact
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letters submitted into the court, I think the prosecution should
have read them. I love I love Georgia Kapelman, Sarah Dugan,
but they were really uh left flat footed in this
and I think this could have been done better by
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the state. Read them into the record. If she's going
to do this, read them into the record, extend the hearing.
Why not. Maybe there are other things I don't know about,
but this is totally unfair to the Markel family to
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revictimize them like this, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
To be given a fair trial outside of Tallahassee. Eleven
years ago, Danny was murdered and taken from all of
us who loved him. For the past nine and a
half years, the state has broadcast to the world, including
Danny's parents and sister, that I hired hitman to kill him.
Speaker 11 (01:04:24):
Never in a.
Speaker 14 (01:04:25):
Million years would I have wanted Danny to be harmed
or killed.
Speaker 11 (01:04:29):
Nor could I ever do something that would leave these
two small boys to grow up without him. I love
these boys more than life itself. This is a lifetime
of loss for these children. They didn't deserve this. His
family didn't deserve this, Danny didn't deserve this. And so
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as I appeared before.
Speaker 14 (01:04:57):
You today your honor, with my whole or, I swear
to you on my life, I was not involved in
any way with Teddy's murder.
Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
I was not.
Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
That's interesting. Has anyone heard of the statement analysis? It's
it's just a kind of an interesting little thing, but
that when people deny things, they tend to they don't
use contractions. They don't say wasn't I wasn't involved, They
say I was not.
Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
Here.
Speaker 6 (01:05:37):
She is doing the same thing when they lie. So
when people lie about their involvement in crimes, they tend
to use It's just a it's not what I'm basing
my opinion on. It's just a little interesting thing. People
have noticed that people say I was not there's no
contractions I have any further.
Speaker 15 (01:05:57):
America, A few moments consider a lack of remorse.
Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Should seven.
Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
So now that they're trying to say that, they that.
So now they're saying, oh, we're in deep crap with
this because Donna's shown a lack of remorse and she
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could have done what Charlie did, which was to say, look,
I maintained my innocence, end of story. But no, Donna
wanted to put on this, so then she got it
it spoiler alert everything. I mean, it gets very boring
from here on out. This is I'm just giving me
the highlights you go on, but there's really nothing from
the state. It was all the defense. I mean, Dan
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Markell was just left out of this thing totally. Usually
in sentencing hearings, but because the Markelle family and I'm
not slighting them at all for doing it, was very effective.
When the verdict came down, they gave their victim impact statements,
good for them for not having to come back for
this from Canada, for this at their expense time, etc. Etc.
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But usually in sentencing hearings, like saying for Nexium, because
there were so many victims in that case, they go
on for five hours, six hours. We'd have to hear
all the victim impact statements and you really got the
weight of the crime for this. This became all about
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Donna's ego and Donna's feeling hard done and Donna taking
control of the courtroom in her last exercise of power
and control. That's what it was about. She'll take the risk,
even at the disadvantage to herself, so she could have
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gotten some of the charges downgraded and gotten less time,
but it was more important for her to make this
big speech and big show. Ditto for Harvey to get
back because they love revenge, they love winning. This is
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their last chance to win and get over on the court.
And she wants to make the judge feel guilt that
he's sentencing an innocent woman. That the people in the public,
she wants them to second guess the verdict and the
jury and think that maybe that she's really didn't have
anything to do with us, and forget all the evidence
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against her. Every defendant wants to do just take my
word for it. Well, guess what almost every so for.
For people on trial for this crime who deny it
and go to court and fight it, they're never gonna
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admit that they did it. They might admit in prison
and in jail and prison, but to the general public,
they'll never admit that they did it. The public face
never admit they did it. And she will be a
I think she will be appealing this for as long
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as she has breath in her body. She will be
appealing this case. And I think it will stand because
it was done by the letter, I would be very
surprised if this conviction is overturned. And Judge Everett did
a lot of rulings, it's very unfair to say he
was biased, did so many rulings. At least Charlie was
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man enough to say Judge Everett did a lot of
rulings in my favor. There's not much to appeal on.
Donna needs to get honest with herself and say the
same thing. He did a lot of appeals in the
and rulings in the defense. You know, did a lot
of rulings in the defense's favor. It's not much to
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appeal on Donna. In the story, I really do feel
that this is where I mean, this is where I'm
at now. I think this is where the road ends
for the Adelson family. I think Wendy's punishment, it's not
punishment enough, is that her mom's in prison or brother's
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in prison. She's a social pariah. Everywhere she goes, people
look at her and know that what she did in
as far as this crime, she really can't get work,
the kind of work that matches her resume and all
the things that she worked for, because nobody wants to
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hire a killer I know somebody does I know where
she works for. It's like a but she can get
hired by friends, but it's pretty much over for her
as far as the kind of life that she worked for.
So I don't think she's gonna I don't think. I
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think that the castick are issues and charging down her
are just too hard to reverse. I don't think they're
going to work on it. This is it. I think
this is as far as the murder of Dan Markel,
this is where it ends, with Donna going to prison.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope we get to see
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Wendy arrested. It'll be a great day and there certainly
would be celebration on this channel. But just being truthful
with my audience as to where I'm thinking, what I'm
thinking about, and how I feel. I'm sad that this
is where it ends. But this is where it ends.
I think this is where the story ends. But Donna
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will be appealing from prison, and those appeals will be rejected,
and she'll go on and we'll hear with stories about
her acting up in prison in asking for special treatment,
and she'll die an old woman in prison. That's where
I think it's going so thanks so much for listening.
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Speaker 13 (01:14:01):
To Hodana, what a stitch your head? You got it
a murder because you wanted to raise your daughter's kids.
Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
Tama has he.
Speaker 13 (01:14:15):
Is just to stop on the way to civilization. Miami
is where all the fancy people are. The TV is
about five. You can't get away from that. Toutoe tato
huh you know the guy you pay me? Then you
(01:14:38):
can't get away from that.
Speaker 16 (01:14:41):
Oh ho, Dna, what to.
Speaker 13 (01:14:43):
Stitch your head? You thought chall was just for the
little people, but now you're so blank. It's with the
locked up crow. Your grandmother is locked down and your
one way ride to feed on.
Speaker 16 (01:14:58):
Your blue goana.
Speaker 13 (01:15:14):
What a stitch your head. Your family are exiled from
the social circles you swam in. Le All, No, you
never made that banana bread you offer to babysit for dance,
but you'll soon be make in license plates and thinking
a double could have been. Oh Gona, you had to
(01:15:39):
plan a murder
Speaker 16 (01:16:00):
Bom under the pom stt at the pom over the punt,
the down
Donna Agelson from Coral Springs, Florida. I want to hear
all about your Donna's well.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm a domestic coordinator.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
A domestic coordinator.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yes, I'm responsible for the activities, classes and lessons of
my son Robert, who was sixteen, Charlie who was twelve,
Whendy who was ten, my husband.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Harvey, who's in the audience, and my dog Sam.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, and how old is Sam? Five? Five colors?
Give our best? Nice to have your airic.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Cop and bottles work, don, consonants are gonna be or.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
There's a I'm glad to have this again personally, hasn't categories?
Still your turn? Letter beats? Hell? Help, no hell? Donna,
m yes, there are two ms. Let him come up
your five seconds person.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Ellen, okay, yes, Kim mhm Mustard maker, Yes, there's one
age time starts now.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Mm hmm Don yes, mister.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Nice mm hmm.
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You are listening to the ROBERTA. Glass True Crime Report
putting the true back in true crime from New York City.
Speaker 7 (01:53):
ROBERTA.
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Glass is now on the record. M all right, we're back.
(02:14):
What is sentencing? Boy, I've been sitting on so much
through that whole sentence, like so much I wanted to
talk about. Thanks for everyone for joining me over here.
I appreciate it, thanks to everybody's watching on x and
other places. Appreciate that. All right, so let's get into
(02:41):
Donna Aedelson sentencing hearing very much focused on Donna Edelson,
her feelings, her unfair trial. Donna Aedelson, I mean, you
can kind of see her in the beginning of the hearing.
Let's get to that. So just right at the beginning,
(03:04):
just let me go through my intro and everything like that,
you can watch her. Look at that face. I think
the face says it all. She's angry. She's angry. She
was pissed, so she's gone from self pity and you know,
(03:27):
we saw her reaction when she got sentenced. She got
warned that she was going to get thrown out of
the courtroom because she was so boohooing and feeling so
sorry for herself. And what did she think was going
to happen. I don't know if she thought. I thought
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she did. I mean, I'm in the minority. I thought
she had a better defense than Charlie Edleson did. It
wasn't by much. It's really a draw. At least she
had witnesses, and she could have taken the stand. I
(04:08):
wish she had, But so we had doctor Graeber first,
and this was just the most So this is doctor Graeber,
who inserted himself about two years ago. He says into
this he was of a family friend back in the day.
(04:34):
They had a falling out because the Weinstein's who are
who is Who's a judge? Who's Wendy? Is it Michael?
I'm getting them confused. But is it Michael Weinstein and
his son? Or is Michael Winstein's the son? And it's
(04:57):
hold on one second. He is the judge. What's his
first name? May look in the comments. It's a judge. Oh,
it's a judge. And he's Wendy Aedelson's godfather. He had
run for office and they had supported the wine scenes
and not supported Graber. But I mean, all Graper wanted
(05:21):
to talk about was how he believes Donna Aigolson is innocent.
Some people believe in the flatter, other people believe that
they're a rare alien species. I mean, people's beliefs go
all can get as wild. What are you exactly basing
(05:42):
it on? You noticed he didn't come up with any
like I believe Donna Aigelson is innocent. You didn't come
up with any heavy evidence for innocence. I believe Donna
Adelson is innocent because of A, B and C. There's
this evidence to point too. There's that evidence to point too.
(06:02):
He believes that Charlie Aedelson and Catherine mcmanua bamboozled Donna.
I mean, we heard Robert Aedelson's testimony. Actually we didn't
hear it. It was actually in a hearing, but it was
in the moving papers. In this case. He says, like,
my mother is not easily fooled. She's not easily bamboozled
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or manipulated, but Grabor thinks she could be. But this
was all about Graber and everything that he all. The
whole is the accomplishments. This was outrageous that they didn't
cut this guy off. I guess I didn't want her
anything to appeal on, but come on, I mean, it
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was such an abuse of the court.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Silence.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Perhaps so, I believe recount part of might understand.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
The key in this is the is the Donna. Let's
go over some of the evidence. The key is that
Donna Aedelson made the appointment for Wendy. Now I've actually
seen their like unicorns. The Adolsen supporters in the chat
occasionally they make comments. They said, well, the TV was
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bought for Wendy. Why was it bought for Wendy? You
know what I mean? Like, why did this thing need
to be repaired? It couldn't be repaired in this day
and age. There's a repair shop in Chinatown that does all,
you know, all the kind of outdated machines that are
(07:54):
kind of rare and unusual now v vhs, and you
down there and people repair them. They bring them down
for repair. But a TV, like a flat screen TV,
even the kind you find in a door room, that's
the way this was described. You have to know that
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that can't be repaired. It's not made to be repaired.
It's made to be thrown out and replaced. The parts
have gotten so cheap and that's why they break, so
we don't repair them. But I mean, you can understand
if it's something like some kind of I don't know,
rare tape recorder, even a real de reel. I'm going
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back way back, but they were made of more expensive
parts that you could replace and made in a way
that you could repair it. She had to know it
couldn't be repaired. John A. Edelsen was key. We saw
her talking to during the bump down by the boats.
The picture the defend the prosecution and showed of Donna
(09:02):
and Charlie talking the phone conversations. It involves the two
of us. I mean, what evidence do you have doctor Graeber,
and he's a gynecologist. He had his own scandal for
(09:25):
not for giving a procedure that is, how do I
make this as YouTube friendly as that possible? A procedure
that is very contested in America to a underage gnological
procedure to a child after a kind of crime happened
(09:50):
to her. Not reporting it is that Does everybody get
what I'm saying? I hope so. So that's his history.
So his morals are fast and loose. He never reported
it that this child had been victimized to the police.
He just did the procedure. He took his money.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Y the victims.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Here are families to watch the.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Dish okay, so that he says the victims are both families.
No one has suffered like the Markel's, the Aedelson family whatever. However,
it's it's caused riffs in the family because some of
some members, not Robert decided to commit a murder. Is
(10:47):
there karma they're they're they're doing not even karma doing.
The Markel's did nothing. They don't get to see Dan Markel.
He's dead. You can't equate. They have a missing member
of their family forever. But it gets worse. So we
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had him and then he talked about all his achievements.
I won't bore you with it. I just wanted to highlight.
I mean, he went on forever about how he made laws,
and I thought, this is what's wrong with America. People
like this narcissistic, criminal, loving ahole. Excuse my language, but
(11:31):
it's making laws, pro criminal laws. That's part of the
problem in our society is people like that get into power.
And we had this guy, you know, whose wife was there,
I believe when she was planning to flee the country.
(11:56):
And then it gets to Harvey. So we have all
these people saying when Donna's wonderful, etcetera, etcetera. You notice
Wendy wasn't in the courtroom, she had no statement for
her mother. Then we get to Harvey's statement, and that's
what I really want to highlight here.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Without her hand in mind.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Oh sorry, may go back to the bed.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
You can over your hair.
Speaker 9 (12:29):
You thank you, judge and respected offices of the court
for allowing me to speak. I have been Donna Edelson's
husband for over fifty years. My wife sacrificed everything so.
Speaker 10 (12:44):
That she could pour her art and sold into our children,
our grandchildren, and our marriage. This summer was our fifty
fourth wedding anniversary, and I had to spend it without
her hand in mind?
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Do you know how many holidays that the Markel family
have had to spend now without Dan Markel even available
for a zoom call or getting a card, getting no hanikah?
We just had the Jewish New Year? How many years
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since twenty fourteen it's been totally absent and he's not
coming back thanks to Donna and co. So spare me this.
Speaker 11 (13:38):
I'm not being wrong, and.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yet it is being punished for a crime. But she
did not committion.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
So here we have the wrongful convictions movements their gift
to American society. How many times have we all heard it,
I've been accused of a crime, even when they're convicted,
I've been accused. They never used the word convicted. I've
been accused of a crime I didn't commit. And we've
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had so much media on these wrongfully convicted people that
now we have people. It's just it's part of the lexicon,
American lexicon, this phrase.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I thought we lived in a different kind of world,
but I guess I was wrong.
Speaker 12 (14:22):
I have listened, watched as sat in the courtroom for
the entire trial, and I could not help but screamed
in my mind, why the witnesses that were brought forward
by the prosecution who told outright lies.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I didn't know that you could lie in a courtroom.
Speaker 9 (14:43):
What a power do you can?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Danny's parents contende me.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
I think, okay, So he's saying that the prosecution lied,
and then he offers no, I mean you think he
said he wanted to scream so often in his mind
because there was so many lies. You would think you
would have a handful to choose from. Let's start hearing
some of these lies. Now is your time to Now
(15:09):
you think this is your time to share this. Like
I said before, as we were watching this, when I
was at Claire Baroffin's sentencing, Judge Garif, she started going
into her innocence and he said, the jury is spoken,
(15:30):
make your point, like cut it off like I'm not
going to hear any claims of innocence and Judge Evart
just let this go on. He made it clear, like
how many times I'm not does this relate to sentencing?
Does this relate to her good character? That's for the
appeals court. It's not for here to air your grievances.
(15:53):
But he wasn't tough enough. He didn't have enough control
in this particular sentencing here. I thought he's one of
my more I think he's a good judge. I didn't
think he had enough control for this. It should have
been shut down, and he does shut it down. But
listen to how late he shuts it down. You have
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to nip it in the bud, like right away.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
They have never seen.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
What for years?
Speaker 12 (16:21):
For years they say they've never seen her, But Wendy
has shared with me.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
He says they've never seen her their grandchild. Her interesting slip.
I don't think they ever said that. They said that.
My memory of their victim impact statement is that their
meetings are controlled and they're awkward because they've been cut out.
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So what Donna did, and I can't believe the prosecution
didn't put on a rebuttal sor. But I think they
just thought it was like Judge Everett knew it was
a waste of time. But Donna Adelson changed the kids'
names with Wendy right away. They robbed the children of
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their name, They robbed them of their of anything to
do with their father's family. And it's interesting that he
starts out saying that she was most helpful to her children,
and she dedicated everything to her family because that was
the thing she could control. They were they were all
(17:40):
expressions of her that she could control and the ultimate
control power and controls murder. And she wanted to get
into the criminal game. She got into it, and she
found out how it turned out not well for her.
Speaker 12 (18:00):
M videos and letters for their visitors, they have suffered immensely.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
At the loss of their son, but they.
Speaker 12 (18:09):
Also contend to tell lies to the court about our grandchildren.
Donna has always been a loving and caring wife.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And it's innocent of the.
Speaker 12 (18:22):
Charges A bias judge and jury were influenced by years
of one son.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
A bias judge. This is this is the cajones on
Harvey Edelson to call the judge bias to his face
then and then insult the jury he did.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
News pieces and social doctor. This has nothing to do
with a character.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
I mean, if they release her jail house calls, it
is going to be outrageous. This is what they talk
about all the time. I would think on jail house calls,
how unfair the trial was, how biased the judge was,
how terrible the jury was, how terrible Tallahassee was. When
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if and when these jail house calls come out, we're
gonna hear all about it. So this is funny. So
Jackie Fulford has to has to help him page through
to the part where it doesn't mention how awful the
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judge and the jury and how innocent his wife is,
and cutting out almost the entire She realizes there's nothing
in there that he can talk about. So she says, well,
maybe the end, maybe the end, but it's all about
how it's still he's still going on about how listen
(20:09):
to this, how biased and unfair the trial was.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
The way you.
Speaker 9 (20:23):
Continue, Donna did not participate in the heinous acts that
she was convicted of doing.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It, you're sending an innocent woman to prison.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
You have taken my wife and that and you have
taken my life as well, and for what This is
not justice, it is vengeance.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
You've taken my life. As he stands there speaking breathing,
so outrageous, so outrageous, so outrageous.
Speaker 13 (21:02):
This is a.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Revictimization of the Markelle family that should have never been allowed,
never been allowed. So then it comes time for Donna's statement. Right,
(21:36):
let's go to Donna's statement. And that was the most
outrageous of all. So she's been saving up all of
this for for saving up all her anger to unleash
it at her sentencing, the time when she wants the
judge to be the kindest to her. But she doesn't
(21:59):
care anymore because it's a mandatory life sentence. So what
does she have. She's got nothing to lose. Now she's
going to let out her all her anger on the court.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Okay, is this letter of judge, but I can hear it.
Thank you for letting me speak.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
My son in law, Dan Markhill, was a fine and
decent man. He was well educated and passionate about his career.
He was a good son in law, but more importantly,
he was a caring and loving father.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
On July eighth, this is this is the statement that
Charlie's ex girlfriend said, she made after his murder. Was
everyone's talking about him like he's he was this beloved professor.
He was a jerk. Just keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
He's twenty fourteen. His car was followed leaving his home.
It should have been just like any other day, an
ordinary day in the life of Ben and Lincoln's father.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But it wasn't. He didn't know when he left his
boys off at.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Take care that would be the last time he would
see them and the last time they would see him.
He didn't know when he went to the gym afterwards
that would be the last time he would exercise. And
he didn't know when he drove home that his life
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would end within minutes. Danny wasn't just being followed.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
He was being hunted. He was brutally murdered in broad daylight,
sitting in his car in his garage by vicious killers.
I cannot imagine.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
It's vicious killers that were there on the Adelsen dime.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Pointed him through the window of his car.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Here she's getting off, reliving her her murder, her ultimate
exercise of power and control. She's enjoying this, really re
living this, and this is something jack Jackie Fulford. I
think her lawyer is very much in the same personality
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type as Donna. She loves talking about these kind of
minute details around the murder. He's holding his hand up,
the fear he must have experienced. She's a dark and
disturbed woman, as is Donna.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I cannot conceive of his heroic efforts to stay alive
during the hours after the attack. Danny died of the
early morning hours of July nineteenth. His death is a
loss to his children, his parents, Yes, his sister.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
It's a really good point, kath And when I can answer,
Katine says, what is her goal here? With all this
feels so weird to even have Donna utter his name.
Her goal is PR. They're very aware of the PR.
She blames podcasters. She blames me as part of the problem,
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me by channel with all the episodes I've made on
this of this case, as part of the problem that
convicted her. I mean, the reason why everyone agrees about
this case. And I'm not certain because you know the
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other cases where there is a huge, even a substantial
group of people who want to get a certain psychopathic
murderer added prison or off. I'm confused because to me,
all the evidence is as strong as in this case.
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So it's not the strength of the evidence. I think
it's just that the Adelson family is so unlikable that
nobody really wants to root for them. I think that's
what it comes down to. I mean, so, what they're
bringing up specifically is that we don't have tapes or
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videos of her plotting and planning this crime, so we
had to infer from the evidence that it was plotted
and planned. But the way we know it is planned,
or the way I look at it, is going back
and I really didn't finish my thought. The bad habit
of doing that with the going back to the TV
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and TV became she made the TV repair. They admitted,
if you go to my shorts, I can play one
if you want. They admit that that's her alibi. Why
did Wendy leave her alibi that day and drive by
the crime scene? That wasn't part of the plan. Wendy
wasn't supposed to drive by the crime scene, and they
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admit it. They say, why did she drive by? Charlie
and Donna are talking on the phone after his conviction.
Why did she couldn't help herself? Meaning why Wendy got
me convicted? If she hadn't driven driven by the crime
scene made it so obvious that she was making sure
and Donna says, well, she's checking to see if it
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was done. So we can only infer by the evidence
that there was plotting and planning in this, by the
way that this crime was set up, and by the
way the co conspirators talked to one another. But for
her lawyer to come in and say, well, that's as
sign of her evidence that we don't have evidence of that, why,
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I mean, how would we have evidence of that? Would
we have tapes in their home? Would would the government
be taping their home when there when the whole family's
plotting this. No, they weren't dumb enough to do it
via text message. They were sworn enough not to conspire
via text message, or if they did talk via text message,
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very much like Karen Reid, they talked via an app
that would automatically delete that go to be tracked, right,
So they didn't leave much. They didn't write each other
emails about how they were conspiring. But during the bump
they were taped and you could hear that they were conspiring.
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They were smart enough even during the bump to not
talk overtly but they made They made admissions right by
not by saying what what what is this? Why are
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we being Why do they think we're part of this murder? Right?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
So back to Donna, all of us and his family,
his friends, his colleagues in the legal community, and to
his students at FSU Law School. Stanny's boys each cup
of photo of themselves with their Abba. They're dad beside
(30:05):
their beds. They grew up kissing the frame photo and
singing good night.
Speaker 14 (30:12):
Abba, I love you, the pictures and memories for all
they have.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Because cruel, cold hearted.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
People took him from all of us who loved him.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
My heart was broken went in, Wow, that's interesting. She
knows she did this. So I love when people say, oh,
she's convinced herself that she didn't take part in this.
Now she knows she did it. She wants us to
think she didn't do it. She's admitting she's cruel and
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cold hearted, and you can see by the lacketeers that's true.
She means that I was talking. I put up a
new episode of My Patriot on about Donna's reaction is
there's been footage of her after the verdict being brought
into jail. She wants you to feel sorry for her.
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She's really I mean, think about this family. There are
family of everything was image they wanted to come across
as the perfect family and the family. People that knew
this family that I've talked to say that they were
so perfect they couldn't stand it. She has one she's
got a dentist son, a doctor son, a lawyer daughter.
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Father's a dentist, she works, and they've been married for
so long. They they don't seem to have any problems.
They were They were the last people you would think
would be involved in a murder. The only failure in
this family was Wendy's marriage. Boy. They wanted to eradicate
(32:03):
the memory of that marriage off the face of this earth.
And Dan Marquel was not refused to be bullied by
this family that brought on his murder. They wanted him
(32:23):
to say, take the kids to Miami. Do what his
crime was, you know, to be an involved father, something
most people would want. I mean, there's studies on fathers
who were involved in their children are legend as to
(32:43):
making successful children. To take that from them and say, oh,
they'll just do fine with one parent, and time will
tell to see how even Lincoln grow up and do
And I think there will be a time and I
think it's probably starting now when they come to terms
(33:05):
and they wake up to what their mother did, what
their grandmother did. Right now, they're believing everything that the
family's telling them, that Tallahassee is so unfair, that this
was a witch hunt, that they are two innocent people convicted.
But there will be a time when their skepticism will
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will start to bug them and there will be some
kind of other rift and they'll start to look into it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
My grandsons were going to grow up without the father
who loved them. I wnswered, how could we help these
boys through this trauma? It was dead that my husband
and I knew that the best way to honor Daddy's
memory would be to share with these children and a
(34:00):
bunsence of love, the love that Sandie would have given
them if he were alive. It is interesting how the
state can't make up its mind about who is what
they call the quote mastermind behind this murder. If both
of Catherine mcbanna was trials, the state claims she was
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the mastermind behind to Eddy's murder and my son Charlie
Aedelson's trial.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
They claimed he was the mastermind.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
That is a complete fiction invented by Donna. Katherine mcbanowell
was never described as anything but the middlewoman. I saw
those two trials, we all saw them. We all saw
Charlie's trial. He wasn't described as the mastermind. Only Donna
has ever been described as the mastermind. And I don't
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think that that was really their argument. I mean, we
can go through the state's closing again. The conviction was
never about about Donna. Whether Donna was the mastermind or not,
it was always her involvement. I mean, she wants to
dumb it down to that. Okay, maybe she was the
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mastermind of all the defendants we've had, but certainly Charlie
wasn't described that way, nor Catherine.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And now in my trial they claimed that, I this
grandma was the mastermind behind the murder. I had no
idea that other people plans to come Dandy's life short.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
There she is, there's using her age. This gradma, this
grandma was the mastimite me, seventy five year old Donna,
this nice Jewish grandmother was the mast to bite a
master bite apamda moda imagine that, I mean, silly, here
(36:07):
she is we knew she would use her age. You
notice that her hearing is miraculously healed after as soon
as the verdict came down, she no longer needed to
use headphones. She hasn't needed to use headphones. She didn't
need to use headphones before the proceedings, only during the
trial in front of the jury. Now after the verdict,
(36:29):
no headphones. I can't believe Judjeh Edward didn't ask a
question about that, just to put it on the record.
You don't need headphones, missus Adelson, you don't need them.
You're okay, you can hear, okay, funny right. I mean,
this is a family that is always operated by image,
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by image, and this is something very common. And all
the murderers I talk about I don't look like the
type of person who looked who could commit something like this?
Who does? I mean, we have had had some creepy,
you know, serial killers, creepy. There are a few who
do who look like the type, but mostly the people
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on trial do not. You wouldn't pick them out. But
they showed you five people and a murderer. I don't
think anyone in my audience could pick out who's the murderer.
It's all walks of life, all types. One thing that
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they all have in common is an incredible lack of
empathy and an incredible narcissism. Doesn't mean you're There's lots
of people with those qualities that don't murder anyone.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
And the people who said this are exactly where they
deserve to be. But I had no knowledge that this horrible,
evil act was going to take place. If I had
become aware of this plan before Danny was murdered, I
would have stopped it. With not one iota of actual evidence,
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the state convinced the Tallahassee jury that I solicited and
conspired with other people to have Danny killed.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Where is the evidence prior to the murder?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
The evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the state needed to.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Prove their case.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Well, they didn't, and that's why they didn't go to
trial for years. See, this is exactly what I was
talking about. It's kind of a clever argument. Honestly, It's
pretty clever to say, well, what's the evidence you have
of me conspiring? Again again, I'll ask, are we supposed
to assume that the government was taping your home? Are
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we to assume? And if you had been dumber. Criminals
certainly would have been easier. But yet a lawyer in
the family, you were smart. You didn't write anything down,
you didn't tell other people, You didn't confess. Only in
prison did you confess that you did it? And jail,
I'm sorry, did confess in jail, did tell your jailmate
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you did it? But okay, mistakes made. But so you're
asking pre murder, what is the what? You didn't leave
a lot of tracks, that was the idea you would.
You tried to commit the perfect murder. And you didn't
write any emails, you didn't write any text messages, and
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certainly there were recordings and we weren't recording your phone calls.
So yeah, there's not a lot. That's why the bump
was done. And we did record your phone calls, and
you didn't talk overtly, but you did talk overtly about it,
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and you did make adoptive emissions. You want me to
go over that again, I will. So what's an adoptive admission?
So it's like I'll use Robert Durst as as a
good example. This is where such a good example of
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adoptive emission. He watched the movie about his life all
good things, which portrayed him taking part in multiple murders,
but it did also portray him as being very cruel
to his dogs and killing his dogs. And he said
to the filmmaker, he said it was pretty good. He
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thought it was really pretty accurate, except for the part
about his dogs that he didn't like. So that's an
adoptive admission. He didn't have a problem. So he's admitting
that he did it silently by saying that it was accurate.
All the parts that portrayed him killing Kathy Durst, going
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on killing other people, that was all Morris Black, et cetera.
That was all accurate. So there's an adopted mission. Did oh.
When Charlie Aedelson and Don Aedielson talked, Dona Aedelson didn't say,
why are they giving me this piece of paper with
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Dan Markel a story about Dan Markel's murder on it?
I had nothing to do with that. Why are they
asking me for five thousand dollars? I don't know anything
about this? What are we going to do? Let's go
to the police instead. She said it involved the two
of us. That's an adoptive admission, Okay, submission right out.
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But the fact that she didn't say what is this
and she said, well, the TV is about five she's
admitting that she planned this, that there was plotting and planning.
So it was inferred, Donna, to answer your question, where
is the evidence of you plotting and planning this? It's
inferred in the evidence, specifically around the TV, specifically around
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all the tapes in the bump. And this is not
a good pr offensive that you and Harvey have done.
You think you're putting out your side of the story
and that you're going to bring some of the public
behind you, but it's not going to work. You're not likable.
Way to get likable is to admit that you did this.
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You could have admitted that you've done this, saved everyone
the trial, thrown yourself on the mercy of the court.
Or you could have admitted you've done this years ago
and you may have gotten some kind of you know,
you probably would have been done your stint in prison,
been out like Luis Rivera like around his time he
got there first.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Where is the evidence before July eighteenth, twenty fourteen, at
ten fifteen in.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
The morning, before you contend, as it relates to this statement,
is the defense trying to reargue the truck.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
Radelsome. You certainly can continue. However, the court can take
into consideration the utter lack of remorse that you are displaying.
Please perceive if you desire to do so.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
Look at this moment. This is such an interesting moment.
Right here. She's saying, hmm, so I can go forward
with all my complaints, and she goes f it. It's
a mandatory minimum of life sentence. So what do I
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have to lose? Because even if she does the life sentence, okay,
even if that gets overturned, she still has the conspiracy charges.
She's got three charges to overturn. And you can see
Judge Everts spoiler alert when he was asked to downgrade
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those charges. You could see he was tempted and didn't,
probably because of this. And it was all like poorly
thought out, like all to Donna's impulses, And that's very
much like her defense. It was like to her impulses,
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you know, to have her friends testified for her in
ways that were unbelievable and not convincing. You know, she
finds them convincing. They're her friends. She's like, we're not
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the type of people to do this. Good enough They
thought this would be good enough that they get away
with this crime because they're not the type worked with
Amanda Knox, but she had a million dollars a pr
behind her, So that's another story. How that thing worked amazing.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
So where is.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
The evidence before July eighteenth, twenty fourteen, at ten fifty
eight that revealed that I had any involvement in this
file and horrific act? Where is the solicitation and conspiracy evidence?
The state needed to show that there was evidence before
the murder to convict me. The state couldn't show that
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because there wasn't any evidence. They were trying an innocent person.
It makes you wonder if the jurors were sleeping when
the state had Sergeant Corbitt on the stand for hours.
Their own star witness testified that my phone was never
I repeat never at my son's house on the night
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of the murder. The state's theory that my husband and
I dropped off money to my son was blown out
of the water by their own witness, and yet the
state continued to push that story that lie of the
so called money drops to the jury through the remainder
of the trial, and the jury bought into a hook
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light and sicker reasonable doubt. Many months ago, my attorneys
files a motion for a change of venue. An expert
witness testified that Tallahassee had been baraged with over nine
years of troy.
Speaker 6 (47:20):
I have done so much. You can check out all
my episodes on Amanda Knox playlists going over all the evidence.
There's a lot of DNA evidence, a lot against against
Amanda Ox. There's mixed blood of the victim, Amandonox all
over the house. There's their DNA on the handle of
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the knife, the victims DNA on the blade. There's all
of Amanda Knox's lies, the fact that when her alibi
was pulled, that she falsely accused her boss, and that
when they finally a dure a lot of political pressure
on the Court of Castaceans, Italy's highest court. She got there.
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They illegally threw out all the DNA evidence against her,
which doesn't make any sense because this was a group crime.
The other guy that they convicted was black. Somehow the
DNA evidence that convicted him was reliable, but the evidence
that convicted rap that you white people in this is
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somehow now same investigators, same lab It's now unreliable and
have to throw it all out. So that's how they
got her out because they knew they were they So
the court that let her go her great exoneration determined
that she was there at the scene of the crime,
that she washed the victim's blood off of her ants,
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and that this was a crime done of multiple people,
as did every court that looked at it said that
multiple people did this crime. So why I'm manned an
oxy isn't looking for the other people that committed this
crime with Rudy Gooday is something that for people I
have to think about social.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Media, news, television, news, and podcast publicity about my family.
He explains to the court, both with evidence and demonstratives
that for me to receive a fair trial, it needs
to be held in any of the research designated areas
in the state of Florida other than Tallahassee. All I
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wanted was a level playing field, but the court wanted
to trial here in the hotbed of Tallahassee.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I sat through three days of jury selection.
Speaker 6 (49:47):
Day says she sat through days of jury selection. She thought,
you know, I mean, she may have a point that
they could have moved it to a different venue and
much expense to the taxpayers. But I think the judge
knew it would have gotten the same result. When you
look at the actual juror who's spoken, she didn't know
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anything about this case really before she sat on the jury.
No one was biased against her. She helped picked out
the jury. It's not like there's you know, you can
listen to her talk about it and what she felt
about it, and she thinks Wendy was in on it.
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Has anyone ever seen a guilty person not claimed they
were innocent. Yeah, they stand up and they make a
deal with the state and they don't go to trial.
That's the difference, you know, I think you're talking about, right,
They don't go to trial. They make a deal, and
there are guilty people say they did it. They make
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a deal with the state and they go to prison.
Luis Rivera one said, I did it, got a better deal.
The risks that you're taking is it you know you
can get away with it. People do get away with it.
In our system, they get it. Guilty people get acquittals.
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That's how it goes.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
One hundred and eighty potential jurors were asked if they
had developed an opinion in my case. Those that answered yes,
also added, I believe she is guilty. Not one person,
not one said I think she may be innocent.
Speaker 6 (51:45):
I think she may be. It isn't Yeah, because they
didn't want to serve jury duty. That's the easiest way
to get off jury duty. I've heard about this case.
I think she's guilty. Gone. Who wants to spend two
weeks of their life in court? Maybe weirdos like me.
(52:09):
I enjoyed my time. I didn't. I mean, I expected
to be thrown out of jury duty, but I got
a lot out of it, got to learn how the
way jurors think and what the deliberation process is like.
I got a lot out of it. But I thought
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I was going to get booted out of there immediately.
We were all laughing. I said it was going to
be fifteen seconds or thirty seconds before they boot me out.
And I was the only one picked in my group
of fifty. So you don't know, you don't know, but
very few people want to serve on jury duty. You
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lose money, yes, it's you know, it's not helpful unless
you make a career out of it, like you know,
you get it, like the foreman did it. Karen Reid's
trial you get a dr agent, but nobody wants to
serve on jury duty. Back to Donna.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
That should have been a clue to the court to
grants our emotion for a change of venue. But the
court denied the motion. One of my jurors admitted during
jury selection that she had background information concerning what one
of the state's witnesses would be testifying about. Why was
she allowed to be on my jury? What another juror?
Speaker 8 (53:47):
Again, this has nothing to do without accution of any sort.
This is a raising of grievances which are properly given
to the impellate court. What does any of do have
to do?
Speaker 6 (54:09):
Do you notice that Donna looks to the side a lot,
like her eyes to the side. Do you think it
sort of makes her she sort of like makes herself small,
like she's she slumps and then she looks to the
side like I'm just a small, little old lady. Yeah,
(54:29):
I'm just giving my grievousness. This is unfair. It was unfair.
I tell you it was unfair. Unfair. Try Why was
she allowed to serve on my jewelry? Why? Why my
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boyfriend just came in and goes what you get? I
go life, everything they didn't downgrade anything. He's like, oh God, justice,
small amount of justice we have. Damn Markel can't be
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brought back. I mean, you know, these crimes, it's not
that we love seeing people go to prison or be punished.
It's that it's a small amount of justice we have
in our society. These crimes have such large reverberations, and
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if you think about all the people affected, it's just unknown.
One life. And you take a life like this from
all Dan Marquel's students, to the people he bought a
paper from, or who saw him regularly at a store
(56:27):
or enjoyed talking to him. You know, we don't hear
from those people. It's a full life at the gym,
at the all the people who knew and loved him.
You're robbing all those people, not just his children, not
just the people, not just his friends. Not that's just
the people that we hear from. You have to think
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about all the people we don't hear from. It's a
massive But the Agolesns are so narcissistic. They think that
their judgment is like God's judgment, the ultimate judgment on someone.
They thought he was a zealot, a horrible person, a jerk,
and they thought everyone would think he's a jerk, because
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all you know, they live in an echo chamber and
their family is very cult like.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
What happened to Danny is unforgivable. But I am an
inficent woman convicted of this terrible crime without evidence. Danny
was a brilliant legal scholar. He would have been appalled
at the total lack of justice that went on during
my trial. He would have been embarrassed to have his
name associated with any of this. There are two crimes here.
Speaker 6 (57:49):
This is the most disgusting, stomach turning point. This is
what I do. I was like, I have to, I
have to comment on this. This is the part of
her elocution that you really want to comment on this,
She said, just to go back, Danny was a brilliant
legal scholar, and he would be appalled Bye bye his
(58:11):
murderer being convicted. He would be stunned and outraged at
one of his murderers being convicted. That was just an
absolute abuse, revictimization of the Markelle family. I can't believe
this was allowed to go on in court. Revolting, excuse me, disgusting.
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Wesley loves october Fest justice. Finally, Sir, thanks for being
a member, Wesley. I was gonna count on you. Kat Doorfu,
thank you, Wesley. Probably everyone's sick of hearing my voice
at this point. I've been on Live for so long,
over so long. I was gonna, hopefully, I was going
to do another one too. After this. I don't know
(58:57):
if I can. I hope, but hopefully I can believe
in this soon and I can go on to the
other topic.
Speaker 3 (59:04):
His name associated with any of it. There are two
crimes here. The first was Danny being viciously murdered. The
second one is taking my life, the life of an
innocent woman. Convicting me should not be retribution for Danny's death.
That is not justice for Dad.
Speaker 6 (59:27):
Again, your life isn't taken. You have your life. Your
lifestyle has been taken, but not your life.
Speaker 3 (59:35):
I've always respected the law. I've never gotten a parking ticket.
But I'm going to prison for a murder I did
not commit, and to INTENSI file an appeal so that
hopefully I have the opportunity to be given a fair
trial outside of Tallahassee eleven years ago.
Speaker 6 (59:58):
Danny. So we know that Donna Edelson is very well
versed in the wrongful conviction movement stuff. He or she
is again, Harvey said the sentence. We know she is
because when she got Josh Duben, she read all about
Josh Duben, who's an Innocence Project ambassador. This is the
sentence that they all say. I was accused of a
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crime I didn't commit. Did she say she was convicted?
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
You intends to file an appeal so that hopefully I
happy opportunity to be given a fair trial outside of Tallahassee.
Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
She said I was convicted of a crime I didn't commit.
At least she said convicted.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
He is unforgivable.
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
But I am an innocent woman convicted of this terrible
crime without evidence.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Danny was a brilliant legal scholar.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
He would have been appalled at the total lack of
justice that would on.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
During my trial.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
He would have been embarrassed to have his name associated
with any of this. There are two crimes here. The
first was Danny being viciously murdered. The second one is
taking my life, the life of an innocent woman. Convicting
me should not be retribution for Danny's death. That is
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not justice for Dad. I've always respected the law. I've
never gotten a parking ticket. But I'm going to prison
for a murder I did not commit.
Speaker 6 (01:01:36):
She's going to prison. See, they never can say convicted.
She's going to prison for a murder she did not commit.
It's leaving out the trial. So she's saying two crimes
have been done here. She's equating Dan's murder with her conviction.
Then that her conviction you heard her say, took her life.
(01:02:00):
So she's been murdered by the state, by the prosecution,
by the unfair trial. She still has her life, she
can still see her husband. Her lifestyle has been taken away,
but not her life. It's really revolting everything. I hate.
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I can't believe that this was allowed to go on
in this courtroom. It should have been stopped, but I
guess he knew that there's no way to stop it,
and it was. I mean, you know, I don't know.
Could she appeal? I'm asking lawyers out there. Could she
appeal if she had been cut off? I mean, someone
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has to protect the Markelle family. Who's protecting the Markelle
family here? Who's standing up for the Markelle family? And
I think the prosecution I don't know. I mean, it's
just like Dan Markell was so let let out, like
let forgotten in this hearing. If there were victim impact
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letters submitted into the court, I think the prosecution should
have read them. I love I love Georgia Kapelman, Sarah Dugan,
but they were really uh left flat footed in this
and I think this could have been done better by
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the state. Read them into the record. If she's going
to do this, read them into the record, extend the hearing.
Why not. Maybe there are other things I don't know about,
but this is totally unfair to the Markel family to
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revictimize them like this, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
To be given a fair trial outside of Tallahassee. Eleven
years ago, Danny was murdered and taken from all of
us who loved him. For the past nine and a
half years, the state has broadcast to the world, including
Danny's parents and sister, that I hired hitman to kill him.
Speaker 11 (01:04:24):
Never in a.
Speaker 14 (01:04:25):
Million years would I have wanted Danny to be harmed
or killed.
Speaker 11 (01:04:29):
Nor could I ever do something that would leave these
two small boys to grow up without him. I love
these boys more than life itself. This is a lifetime
of loss for these children. They didn't deserve this. His
family didn't deserve this, Danny didn't deserve this. And so
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as I appeared before.
Speaker 14 (01:04:57):
You today your honor, with my whole or, I swear
to you on my life, I was not involved in
any way with Teddy's murder.
Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
I was not.
Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
That's interesting. Has anyone heard of the statement analysis? It's
it's just a kind of an interesting little thing, but
that when people deny things, they tend to they don't
use contractions. They don't say wasn't I wasn't involved, They
say I was not.
Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
Here.
Speaker 6 (01:05:37):
She is doing the same thing when they lie. So
when people lie about their involvement in crimes, they tend
to use It's just a it's not what I'm basing
my opinion on. It's just a little interesting thing. People
have noticed that people say I was not there's no
contractions I have any further.
Speaker 15 (01:05:57):
America, A few moments consider a lack of remorse.
Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Should seven.
Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
So now that they're trying to say that, they that.
So now they're saying, oh, we're in deep crap with
this because Donna's shown a lack of remorse and she
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could have done what Charlie did, which was to say, look,
I maintained my innocence, end of story. But no, Donna
wanted to put on this, so then she got it
it spoiler alert everything. I mean, it gets very boring
from here on out. This is I'm just giving me
the highlights you go on, but there's really nothing from
the state. It was all the defense. I mean, Dan
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Markell was just left out of this thing totally. Usually
in sentencing hearings, but because the Markelle family and I'm
not slighting them at all for doing it, was very effective.
When the verdict came down, they gave their victim impact statements,
good for them for not having to come back for
this from Canada, for this at their expense time, etc. Etc.
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But usually in sentencing hearings, like saying for Nexium, because
there were so many victims in that case, they go
on for five hours, six hours. We'd have to hear
all the victim impact statements and you really got the
weight of the crime for this. This became all about
(01:08:09):
Donna's ego and Donna's feeling hard done and Donna taking
control of the courtroom in her last exercise of power
and control. That's what it was about. She'll take the risk,
even at the disadvantage to herself, so she could have
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gotten some of the charges downgraded and gotten less time,
but it was more important for her to make this
big speech and big show. Ditto for Harvey to get
back because they love revenge, they love winning. This is
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their last chance to win and get over on the court.
And she wants to make the judge feel guilt that
he's sentencing an innocent woman. That the people in the public,
she wants them to second guess the verdict and the
jury and think that maybe that she's really didn't have
anything to do with us, and forget all the evidence
(01:09:13):
against her. Every defendant wants to do just take my
word for it. Well, guess what almost every so for.
For people on trial for this crime who deny it
and go to court and fight it, they're never gonna
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admit that they did it. They might admit in prison
and in jail and prison, but to the general public,
they'll never admit that they did it. The public face
never admit they did it. And she will be a
I think she will be appealing this for as long
(01:10:00):
as she has breath in her body. She will be
appealing this case. And I think it will stand because
it was done by the letter, I would be very
surprised if this conviction is overturned. And Judge Everett did
a lot of rulings, it's very unfair to say he
was biased, did so many rulings. At least Charlie was
(01:10:21):
man enough to say Judge Everett did a lot of
rulings in my favor. There's not much to appeal on.
Donna needs to get honest with herself and say the
same thing. He did a lot of appeals in the
and rulings in the defense. You know, did a lot
of rulings in the defense's favor. It's not much to
(01:10:42):
appeal on Donna. In the story, I really do feel
that this is where I mean, this is where I'm
at now. I think this is where the road ends
for the Adelson family. I think Wendy's punishment, it's not
punishment enough, is that her mom's in prison or brother's
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in prison. She's a social pariah. Everywhere she goes, people
look at her and know that what she did in
as far as this crime, she really can't get work,
the kind of work that matches her resume and all
the things that she worked for, because nobody wants to
(01:11:27):
hire a killer I know somebody does I know where
she works for. It's like a but she can get
hired by friends, but it's pretty much over for her
as far as the kind of life that she worked for.
So I don't think she's gonna I don't think. I
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think that the castick are issues and charging down her
are just too hard to reverse. I don't think they're
going to work on it. This is it. I think
this is as far as the murder of Dan Markel,
this is where it ends, with Donna going to prison.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope we get to see
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Wendy arrested. It'll be a great day and there certainly
would be celebration on this channel. But just being truthful
with my audience as to where I'm thinking, what I'm
thinking about, and how I feel. I'm sad that this
is where it ends. But this is where it ends.
I think this is where the story ends. But Donna
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will be appealing from prison, and those appeals will be rejected,
and she'll go on and we'll hear with stories about
her acting up in prison in asking for special treatment,
and she'll die an old woman in prison. That's where
I think it's going so thanks so much for listening.
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I have another episode scheduled on Karen Reid. I hope
I have the energy to do it. I'll see you
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Speaker 13 (01:14:01):
To Hodana, what a stitch your head? You got it
a murder because you wanted to raise your daughter's kids.
Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
Tama has he.
Speaker 13 (01:14:15):
Is just to stop on the way to civilization. Miami
is where all the fancy people are. The TV is
about five. You can't get away from that. Toutoe tato
huh you know the guy you pay me? Then you
(01:14:38):
can't get away from that.
Speaker 16 (01:14:41):
Oh ho, Dna, what to.
Speaker 13 (01:14:43):
Stitch your head? You thought chall was just for the
little people, but now you're so blank. It's with the
locked up crow. Your grandmother is locked down and your
one way ride to feed on.
Speaker 16 (01:14:58):
Your blue goana.
Speaker 13 (01:15:14):
What a stitch your head. Your family are exiled from
the social circles you swam in. Le All, No, you
never made that banana bread you offer to babysit for dance,
but you'll soon be make in license plates and thinking
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plan a murder
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