Explaining Luis Rivera's Bizarre Testimony in Donna Adelson's Trial.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Donna Agelson from Coral Springs, Florida.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I want to hear all about your Donna. Let's go well,
I'm a domestic coordinator, a domestic coordinator.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yes, I'm responsible for the activities, classes and lessons of
my son Robert who was sixteen, Charlie who was twelve,
Whendy who was ten, my husband Harvey, who's in the audience,
and my dog's Sam.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
All right, and how old is five?

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Five?

Speaker 5 (00:27):
Cold?

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Give our best?

Speaker 6 (00:29):
Nice to have your hair crop and follows work, Don.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Consonants are gonna be worried.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
And there's a lot of loading on this again, the
personally isn't categories? Still your return letter beats hell? Help
no hell, Donna M Yes there are two ms. Let
him come up your five seconds person.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Ella?

Speaker 7 (00:55):
Okay, yes, Kim.

Speaker 8 (01:00):
H.

Speaker 6 (01:02):
Mustard Maker, Yes there's one age time starts now mm hmmm, yes, mister.

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Speaker 9 (01:49):
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Speaker 8 (01:53):
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Speaker 10 (01:59):
H Okay, here we go.

Speaker 9 (02:17):
Hello Tator, Hello, Ashley Monroe, Hello she Fly nine, Hello
Liz Graham. How is everyone doing this? Saturday again, I
have to apologize for the loud sound behind me I can.

(02:37):
I think those who watched Donny Edelsen's trial with me
will know that my air conditioner is broken and it's
just not possible for me to do this show without
these fans going, I'm gonna die in the New York heat. Okay?
With that said, talking today about Luis Rivera's bizarre testimony,

(03:03):
very different than the testimony he's given in other trials.
Seems to have a very bad memory. Also, he seemed
to back up Donna Aedelson's defense. I was like, is
this a prosecution witness or is this a defense witness?
I scratched my head at the end of his testimony

(03:24):
said that he has no knowledge that Donna has anything
to do with it. It was the biggest win of
Donna's defense so far. Of course, the defense in Charlie
Aedelson's trials scored the biggest win with Luis Rivera when
they asked if it was possible if Katie had blackmailed

(03:46):
Charlie Edelson, and he admitted it could be possible. That
was the biggest win Charlie Aedelson ever got. Georgia Kappelman
didn't even come back with redirect, which I found very strange.
Maybe she's going to argue it in I would have
come back and redirect, but I think she thinks Luise
Rivera is a loose cannon. And here's why this is

(04:13):
from the legal I've seen these legal filings myself, but
a legal focus. Judy did a really nice job putting
them together in one video. And if you want to watch,
I encourage you all to watch the entire video. It's
linked in the description of this episode. But here is
Luis Rivera has been writing the state trying to lower

(04:36):
his sentence he's concerned about for years. Basically, he's since
twenty twenty one. He's concerned that he is going to
get bumped off in state prison doing the state sentence.
He's like, look, I helped you guys out. Let's hear
a little of these legal filings. I sped this up

(04:59):
just a ten so we can make it through it
in an efficient way.

Speaker 8 (05:04):
Here we go.

Speaker 11 (05:05):
So this is a motion that I'm sure somebody helped
him type up. Back in July twenty twenty one, where
he is asking to change his sentence, he says he
cooperated with the state's attorney his cooperation was substantial. He's

(05:25):
also expected to testify against others. He's a former KANK
membert He says serving his sentence in Florida would put
him in grave danger. Federal sentence expires twenty twenty six.
He's been a model prisoner, currently enrolled in GED classes

(05:50):
and other programming.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Right.

Speaker 9 (05:53):
He says he's enrolled in Model GED classes. He wants
to be a better man for his daughter, who was
born in twenty fourteen. So, I mean it goes on.
I mean, there's so many different letters and filings and
the state hasn't done anything for him. Here's from Chuck Collins.

(06:19):
Dear mister Rivera, I've received and reviewed the above reference letter.
I mean, I believe the state's position is like, look,
you got a sweetheart deal involved in murder in Florida,
you get life, you got a tiny sentence for what
you did. You should feel grateful. We're not going to

(06:41):
do much for you. And so this gives just a
little background. So here's I've received a review the above
reference letter. This is from the state. I can certainly
understand your concerns. I've also reviewed the motion for appointment
of counsel with the Leon County Clerk of Court and

(07:01):
reference to your letter. At this time, I remain on
the Court appointed registry in Leon County.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (07:08):
This is his lawyer. However, I'm unaware of how a
defendant can request the specific court appointed attorney the court
appoints me to represent you in any capacity in the future.
I do not know of any legal reasons I could
not accept set appointment. So he's trying to get a
lawyer to get a better deal. Here's another filing from him.

(07:31):
Then they denied him this appointment of counsel that he wanted.
It's mad at the state for host of different reasons,
but mainly here's another letter. This is a This pretty
much sums it up. This is from Luis Rivera.

Speaker 11 (07:50):
But he helped him, so he says the same thing
that he's cooperated. It's been substantial resulted in convictions. He's
in prison total nineteen years.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (08:02):
He was a high ranking member of the Platinum Kings,
so it makes him a target of that streak game.
He's now marked for depth. He's very concerned about having
to be in a state facility in Florida would be
engraved dangature. You'd have to probably be in isolation, confined

(08:23):
to itseld twenty three hours a day. He says, I
understand the seriousness of it. I did not pull the trigger.

Speaker 9 (08:33):
Right, He's like, I didn't pull the trigger help me out.
The fact is they did help him out. Nineteen years
compared to life pretty good, I'm sure, Charlie Edelson, Katherine mcmanawa,
et cetera. I wish they got that sentence, Katherine mcmanala,
I didn't pull the trigger. There are though she's hoping

(08:55):
for favorable treatment too, not with those pro offers. I
don't know. We'll see, We'll see what they do with her.
Very curious to see how that turns out. So that's
what I think is behind what we saw is bizarre
testimony on Friday in court. Let's take a look at it.

(09:19):
That just gives you a little bit of the background.
But I encourage you to watch all of Judy's video.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
I wanted to we see that in mister Rivera, please
raise your right hand this one.

Speaker 8 (09:34):
Do you swear or a firm testimony?

Speaker 2 (09:36):
You're about to give?

Speaker 4 (09:37):
What you yes, sir, yes, sir?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
So please introduce yourself and spell your.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
Name Louis Brivero. Hell you I asked R I V E.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
R A.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
Where are you from?

Speaker 4 (09:55):
From Puerto Rico?

Speaker 8 (09:56):
Okay? But were you living in Miami back in twenty fourteen?

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (10:00):
How long did you live in Miami whole life? You
were born in Puerto Rico though, yeah, okay, but moved
to Miami at what.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Two years old?

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Have you been convicted of a felony, including the murder
that we're here about.

Speaker 9 (10:15):
Today, Doris, it's not my My ac has broken. I
can't believe you can't hear it. That's fantastic. I hear
it running through my headphones. It sounds like I'm in
a wind tunnel, so it may affect me more than
affects you guys. Sounds like to my ears, it sounds
like I'm in a wind tunnel. I have two fans
going the window open on the New York City streets.

(10:38):
I can't believe it. That is a testament to the
sound blockage feature that stream yard. Oh yeah, yeah, I
can't wait for this thing to be fixed, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
Five felonies sound correct, ma'am. And you're currently incarcerated.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (11:00):
Is that for this case or this case and another
case that both so it's a federal sentence, and this
sentence the case. What did you plead you in this case?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
No?

Speaker 9 (11:14):
Hollow back girl. I'm gonna have that in my head
all day now. Hollow back girl. We have sweaters on
cold and Canada today. My mother is in Nova Scotia's.
She's writing me, texting me, talking about all the lobster
rolls she's eating and making me very jealous. Great country,

(11:39):
this case.

Speaker 8 (11:39):
Guilty guilty to what?

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Second degree murder? Guilty to second degree murder?

Speaker 7 (11:49):
Thank you?

Speaker 8 (11:55):
What was your sentence on the second degree murder? Nineteen
years and that was concurrent with your federal sentence?

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Right, yes, ma'am?

Speaker 8 (12:03):
Okay? And what did you have to do in exchange
or getting a nineteen year sentence?

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Corroborate?

Speaker 8 (12:12):
What does cooperation mean to you?

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Well?

Speaker 7 (12:15):
Telling telling one who I'm a cosey friend of the
Garcia Katie, all right?

Speaker 8 (12:20):
Did anybody ever tell you what to say? No, ma'am,
has anybody ever told you anything other than to tell
the truth?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
No?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Excuse me?

Speaker 8 (12:28):
Has anybody told you to say anything other than the truth?
Has anybody promised you anything other than the sentence that
you got in exchange for cooperation.

Speaker 11 (12:37):
No, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (12:40):
Did anybody ever tell you, oh, you have to testify
about a specific person to get a deal, No, ma'am,
not at all. Have you been offered anything on your
federal sentence from doing this cooperation on this?

Speaker 9 (13:00):
Yeah, they can't help you out with a federal sentences like,
but he was trying to get his sentence to run,
you know, concurred. Is it running concurrent, like at the
same time as his federal sentence running the same time
as his state sentence. Can't remember, help me out, guys,

(13:23):
but he would rob you. You know, you forget they're
also well behaved, as my mother, who volunteers she teaches
in jail, says, they're all well behaved in jail. You
forget sometimes I think some of my audience forgets that
they will rob. This guy will rob you just as
same as look at you. I mean, that's what he

(13:45):
likes to do. He likes to rob the way other
people like to play chess or do something else. Knit
he likes to rob. That's his favorite thing to do.
Rob people, especially drug dealers.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
As part of your negotiation or your lawyer's negotiation of
this case, did you give up what's called a proffer
or recorded.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Proffer, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (14:20):
And even back then when you gave the prophet did
anybody tell you what you needed to say there?

Speaker 4 (14:25):
No, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (14:29):
Were you hired to participate in the murder of Dan Markel?

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (14:33):
Who hired you to be involved in the murder?

Speaker 4 (14:36):
I got it with my friend Thudo Garcia.

Speaker 8 (14:39):
Is that Segredo Garcia?

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (14:41):
How did you know him?

Speaker 9 (14:44):
I missed this on Friday.

Speaker 12 (14:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (14:46):
My head was so mind blown from Jackie Fulford's opening statement.
It's been called the worst opening statement ever given by
a defense Attiurney, Eddie Dryle, It's the worst one I've
ever seen. But for me, it was just so morally
repellent that she would call Dan Markel Danny what his

(15:12):
friends called him while she's trying to get off his murderer,
really and has been called. Some people view her as
the mastermind of the crime. Other people view Wendy. We
can argue about that all day. It depends really what
you mean by mastermind. But certainly she was really pushing
to get this done, and when she wasn't pushing for

(15:33):
Dan Markel to be murdered, and we don't know that
for sure. We just know what we have as far
as evidence and how involved she was in this whole
relocation thing. She was pushing for him to be psychologically
tortured by Wendy and suggesting various ways that Wendy could
psychologically torture him. So forgive me if I'm want to

(15:59):
throw up with Jackie Fulford's opening statement, and as many
of you pointed out, she says, I don't mean to
be respectful too. Meant to say disrespectful as she was saying,
but I like to call them Danny well, you know,

(16:25):
and I know people are I just asked that you
you know, not let's try to eliminate any of this
kind of I know people have favorite nicknames for her
concerning her looks, but I really just don't think it
makes us look good as a as a people. My
problem is not with their looks, it's with their actions.

(16:49):
So if you can refrain from the disparaging nicknames about
her looks, comparing her to you know, giving your men's
names and stuff, I just, you know, let's draw attention
to really what's wrong with her, which is not her looks.
It's her actions so repulsive a y yay, so she

(17:14):
calls him Garcia. I thought at the time I thought
he was saying he wants to be called mister Rivera,
but no, she calls him Garcia. She says, she opens
her across with mister Garcia, which supports my theory that

(17:34):
I don't think that she has worked very hard on
this case. Her opening seemed disjointed and rushed, like she
just had created it the night before or that morning.
She seemed to the way she was echoing Wendy's inflections

(17:56):
and using her words, and her opening talking about divorce
is not fun fun makes me think that she has
been cramming for this trial and hasn't really hasn't done
her due diligence. I don't know. I mean, did Donna

(18:21):
Adelson hire her with the idea that maybe she could
get an appeal on inefficiency in an effective council? Josh Zelman,
I didn't think his cross his cross was? I mean,
he was reaching with these unbelievable things, like just because Donna.

(18:41):
Did Donna ever say I don't like Dan Markel when
she called him a jerk? Is that is jerk a
pet name in some other language? I mean, a jerk,
a million different four letter words and bastard other we're
supposed to think she liked him. It was just not great.

(19:05):
Jackie Fulford had, like I said, the most effective cross
with Luis Rivera that when she was not calling him
Sigfredo Garcia with friends.

Speaker 8 (19:16):
So to cooperate and get this deal, you had to
turn on one of your best friends.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (19:25):
Who enlisted Sigfredo Garcia to be a part of this murder?

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Katie?

Speaker 8 (19:30):
Who's Katie?

Speaker 4 (19:32):
His wife?

Speaker 8 (19:33):
Is that Catherine mcvanaa, Yes, ma'am. Do you know who
enlisted her to be involved in this murder?

Speaker 7 (19:40):
Not really.

Speaker 8 (19:43):
Did Was it a murder for hire?

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (19:45):
Did you know that somebody was paying Katie?

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (19:49):
And Katie was the one that brought the money to you,
all right, yes, ma'am. And what was the purpose of
this murder as you understood it?

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Did they wanted the kids?

Speaker 8 (20:05):
Who wanted the kids?

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Oh, Wendy?

Speaker 7 (20:09):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (20:11):
And did you understand that you were killing the father
of the kids so that Wendy could have the kids?

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Ma'am?

Speaker 8 (20:18):
Have you previously referred to a dentist being involved, Yes, ma'am.
Who was the dentist, Charlie? And how was he related?

Speaker 7 (20:27):
Uh, Katie's boyfriend, hypeps whatever you want to call them.

Speaker 8 (20:30):
All right, so Katie was the wife of Garcia, but
also the girlfriend of the dentist. Did you have any
contact with the dentist ever? Did you have any contact
with any member.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Of the adle?

Speaker 9 (20:47):
Boy that yes, says it all. He does not like Katie. Yeah, yeah,
she was sleeping around. Oh yeah, no, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (20:58):
Everything went through Katie, righty maw. What did the dentist,
if you know, have to do with the lady in
Tallahassee who's kids who needed her kids?

Speaker 4 (21:11):
I don't know nothing about them. I don't know nothing
about that family.

Speaker 8 (21:15):
Who was in charge of getting the money after the
job was done?

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Katie.

Speaker 9 (21:20):
So here's another another odd answer from Louis Rivera when
asked he understood, as he said to law enforcement, as
he's testified before in other trials, that he always understood
that the reason that they were doing this murder is

(21:41):
so Wendy could get her kids for the lady, and
that he was pointed out to Wendy as she was
walking down the street. Now, Wendy said it must have
been some other lady with some other kids. I don't know.
I don't know about that. What are your thoughts on that?

(22:04):
Curious to hear your thoughts. But now in this trial,
after all this filing, he seems rather to not know
why he was doing this murder?

Speaker 8 (22:16):
Odd No, How much were you to be paid for
your part in this crime? Thirty five thirty five thousand dollars?

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (22:28):
Did you know the total amount that the job paid? No?

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Not, not really.

Speaker 8 (22:36):
Did you know how much Garcia got?

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Forty?

Speaker 8 (22:40):
I believe forty thousand dollars?

Speaker 13 (22:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (22:43):
And did you know how much Katie got?

Speaker 11 (22:46):
No? I don't know.

Speaker 7 (22:47):
I don't remember, but I think it was like forty.
I think I thought it would be like a honey
or something like that.

Speaker 8 (22:53):
Okay, somewhere in the neighborhood. One hundred thousand dollars, yes, ma'am.
Was it a one time payment or was it a
payment that occurred over time?

Speaker 2 (23:00):
What you got?

Speaker 4 (23:01):
That's the one time payment?

Speaker 8 (23:08):
What did you know about the man that you came
to Tallahassee to kill?

Speaker 4 (23:11):
I don't know nothing about him.

Speaker 8 (23:14):
How did you know who to kill?

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Garcia? How did he know Katie?

Speaker 8 (23:20):
Did he have some information about the man you were
here to kill?

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (23:24):
What howl tell him what that was?

Speaker 4 (23:26):
It was a piece of paper? Is what is a
picture on of his face and the.

Speaker 8 (23:30):
Address picture of Dan mark Hel's face, Yes, ma'am and
the address of what where he lived? Did you and
Rivera refer to each other? I'm sorry you and Garcia
referred to each other as brothers, yes, ma'am. Exactly.

Speaker 9 (24:11):
What's curious is that his whole demeanor, to my eye,
seems annoyed with being there. And he's never had a
long drawn out testimony for the state. But it seems
like Georgia is trying to keep her questions to yes
and no questions and shorten it as much as she

(24:32):
can in this trial because she's picking up on this.
She knows the history, she knows about these filings. She
knows that Luis Rivera is not happy with the state,
and then he's resentful that he has to do this
and has to be a snitch. And he thinks that
nineteen years is excessive. I mean he may be talking

(24:53):
to people in other states. I mean the sentences in
New York. If you do a crime in New York
can be ridiculous, can be Have you heard about people
getting crazy short sentences or not charged at all for murder?
If you get one of these open society backed foundation

(25:18):
back das you could get, you could not even get charged.
Maybe he's talking to some of those people in prison saying,
why did I get nineteen years for being get away driver?
Because Florida still still has laws against murder. I mean,
if you go to Chicago, don't even get me started

(25:39):
about Chicago, Baltimore, Maryland, other places. They see all these
convicted criminals as victims, and the matter how psychopathic or
end or dangerous they are, they want to get them
out at all costs or end or not charge to them.

(26:00):
In some DA's chesabou Den was in San Francisco, Kimberly
Fox in Chicago, Bragg in New York were put in
for quote unquote justice criminal justice reform, which means don't
charge anyone and overturn as many long convictions as you can,

(26:24):
people who were given significant sentences. You and I mean,
the whole point is to try to excuse me. The
whole point is to try to bring our criminal justice
system and make it look as much like Europe like
the UK, for example, England, Italy, where they don't really

(26:45):
have they have twenty or thirty year sentences and that's it.
They don't really do these life sentencesn't accept in stream situations.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (27:12):
Have you ever been to Tallahassee before you came for
this case related to this case? How many times did
you come to Tallahassee related.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
To this case?

Speaker 4 (27:21):
This case? Twice?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
So were you with the Trado Garcia both times? Was
that one time in June and one time in July?

Speaker 4 (27:30):
I believe so?

Speaker 8 (27:31):
Okay, and July was the time.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Second time is when the murder happened.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Is that right, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (27:37):
Was it just the two of you on both of
these trips.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah. Actual States plenty four.

Speaker 9 (27:59):
Introduced, I'm going to be talking with Patty from Patty's
Playhouse tomorrow who was in the courtroom. I'm curious. There's
also Josh Zelman earned his fee with objecting on there
was on the grounds that there was no foundation, that
the state hadn't established foundation, and he got those sustained

(28:25):
those objections, and it really threw Georgia Kappelman off of
her rhythm. So I'm curious what's going to happen next week.
I hope she's prepared for that. It seems to be
a strategy he uses in trial. So I just saw
someone say in the chat that Georgia Capelman seemed ill prepared. Yeah,

(28:46):
ill prepared to have significant objections the on grounds that
she hadn't led foundation, she had an established foundation. Got
really sticky and contentious, and the judge got very annoyed
with the defense. But while he was sustaining the objections,

(29:12):
Publishing states forty four.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Who's this right here, Garcia? And this Katie?

Speaker 8 (29:20):
Who's that.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Your child's mother?

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
What's her name?

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Jessica?

Speaker 9 (29:26):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
And that's you there?

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Was this picture taken before or after the murder?

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I can't remember.

Speaker 8 (29:41):
At the time of the murder. Was Katie with the dentist,
Katie with Garcia? Was? She would both both? Were you
at the time of this murder living with Jessica Rodriguez? Yes,
there's an address on the rental car contract fifteen fifteen

(30:07):
Northeast one hundred and thirty fifth Street, number fourteen. Do
you recognize that address? That's my apartment, yes, ma'am, all right,
let's talk about the first trip that occurred in June.
How did you get here.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
For that trip?

Speaker 4 (30:24):
When we rented a car?

Speaker 8 (30:26):
Who rented the car for the June trip the first one? Yeah,
if you remember, I can remember, but one of you
you were sick?

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Tredo, Yeah, I think it was Fred. I went to
the Pria, So I never went on the TRP.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
Okay, So Garcia rented the car for the June trip,
but it was a rental car that y'all brought.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Up here, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (30:50):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
And did you take the same route on both trips
to get to Tallahassee?

Speaker 4 (30:54):
I don't remember, okay.

Speaker 8 (30:56):
And did he have the paper with the picture of
Dan Markel on both trips?

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (31:04):
And what did you do on the first trip?

Speaker 4 (31:07):
We drove by here and we just followed him around
to see where he lived.

Speaker 8 (31:11):
And shit, okay, were you planning to kill him on
the first trip?

Speaker 4 (31:19):
I don't remember. Okay.

Speaker 8 (31:20):
Did you have a gun on the first trip?

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (31:23):
Did you have a gun that you procured specifically to
kill Dan Markel with?

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (31:28):
And was that a gun that you bought off the street?

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yes, ma'am, you bought it. I bought it, okay.

Speaker 8 (31:33):
And were there any other guns in the vehicle for
that first trip?

Speaker 4 (31:36):
If you know, I think we had two, right?

Speaker 8 (31:42):
And what was the other gun?

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Thirty eight?

Speaker 8 (31:45):
Whose gun was that?

Speaker 4 (31:46):
I see you.

Speaker 8 (31:52):
On that first trip in June twenty fourteen, did you
and Garcia go to Markel's residence?

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (32:01):
And did you lay eyes on him that first trip?

Speaker 7 (32:05):
I believe I passed by his house and sculled them out.

Speaker 8 (32:08):
You said you followed him. Do you remember where you
followed him on the first trip?

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (32:12):
I followed him to a daycare?

Speaker 11 (32:14):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (32:18):
How long were you here that first trip? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Maybe I don't remember.

Speaker 8 (32:25):
A couple of days, sound right, just a couple of days.
Why wasn't Dan Markel killed on that first trip?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
If you know?

Speaker 4 (32:36):
If I remember, I wasn't gonna do nothing from the
no kids, but he.

Speaker 8 (32:40):
Had the kids with him.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah, yes he.

Speaker 8 (32:44):
Did, but for whatever reason it didn't happen on that trip.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
We lost him. I believe. I believe we lost them.

Speaker 8 (32:52):
Okay. And when you didn't get it?

Speaker 9 (32:57):
So this is a news story that we've never heard before.
Correct me if I'm wrong, But I I remember the
story being that Luis Rivera refused to let seek Greado
Garcia kill Dan Mark Hell in front of his kids,

(33:21):
and anyone heard the lost him story before? Let me know,
is that part of it? Have we heard that before?
And I'm forgetting done on that trip.

Speaker 8 (33:32):
Didn't it was anyone angry at you?

Speaker 4 (33:35):
At me?

Speaker 8 (33:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (33:36):
I don't think so.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
All right? Did you hear at some point that y'all
were going to have to come back if you wanted
to get the money and do finish the job?

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (33:45):
All right? So you did come back in July?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Is that right?

Speaker 8 (33:50):
And that's when you came in the prius? Yes, ma'am
you rented the prius.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Right, yes, ma'am I did.

Speaker 8 (34:00):
And that name name, phone number that you wrote on
the preus rental agreement and wrote brother, that was Garcia's
phone number.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
I think.

Speaker 8 (34:13):
You took phones with you to Tallahassee.

Speaker 9 (34:16):
So he can't remember that Sigfredo rented the cars. I mean,
what happened to his memory? I mean, how many murders
has he committed?

Speaker 8 (34:26):
Is this?

Speaker 9 (34:26):
He would think that he were to remember these things
and he's testified in court. How many other times does
he have to be a snitch and testify in court.
So I think all of this is just trying to
give the state a hard time, and this comes on
the back of the defense giving the state a hard
time rightfully, that's their job, not criticizing him, just saying

(34:50):
rightfully and objecting on lack of foundation a thousand times
in delaying the trial you were supposed to get through. Wendy.
Wendy was there. I've showed the picture. Wendy was in
court ready to testify, but we didn't get to her.
This was so much arguing and objections over lack of foundation,

(35:14):
which were all sustained by Judge Everett. Loved to talk
to Georgia Capulman. Love to know what she thought of it.
She thought that was a good ruling or not. Doesn't
seem to She didn't seem to think it was a
fair ruling just by her eye rolling and attitude. But

(35:36):
she teaches law for both trips, right.

Speaker 8 (35:39):
Yeah, did you turn your phone off for the actual murder?

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (35:48):
What about Garcia? Do you know if he turned his
phone off when.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
The murder happened?

Speaker 8 (35:53):
Yes, sir, shit, Remember, Okay, did you stay in Tallahassee
for a couple of nights when you came here?

Speaker 4 (36:05):
The second time, it was stay there for a night
or two? I think.

Speaker 8 (36:10):
Did y'all run a hotel room?

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (36:14):
Do you know how many guns were with you on
that second trip?

Speaker 4 (36:21):
I just one.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
You only remember one gun on that trip, Remember one.
That's the murder weapon, yes, ma'am, the one you bought
on the street.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (36:29):
What type of gun was that? That's a revolver, yes, ma'am.
Do you remember an incident where there was a shot
fired into the floorboard of the prius?

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (36:44):
Could you tell the jurors about that?

Speaker 4 (36:46):
We was driving it home.

Speaker 9 (36:49):
Does this story remind anyone else of Quentin Tarandita's movie
where they accidentally shoot a guy in the face. Does
anybody else like the story reminds them of that? All right,
I gotta go let my cat out. I'll be right back. Okay.

(37:53):
The monster is out out of the room. The little monster,
sweet little guy, out of the room. Okay.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
Here we co course he had put the gun out
and shot the gas lane in the car through.

Speaker 8 (38:08):
The floorboard of the car, yes, ma'am. Passenger side of
the driver's side, passing side. Okay. And that was the
murder weapon that fired that shot. Ship and I don't remember, okay,
but he was messing around with some gun and fired
it into the car.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (38:28):
And were y' all driving in the car when that happened, yes, ma'am.
And did it disable the cars?

Speaker 7 (38:34):
The car started stopping a little by little started slowing down.

Speaker 8 (38:38):
Okay, that's the prius, right, yes, ma'am. How did y'all
get the car going again?

Speaker 7 (38:44):
We see we've seen somebody that he knew and stopped
them and took him to the to the auto place
to get a piece of holes and put it back together.

Speaker 9 (38:52):
And the guy that you saw that, and then we
robbed a drug dealer. Weasley loves act over fast hit
the like and help preferd to get a cat door.
Thank you, Wesley. Oh that would be luxurious. That would
be luxurious.

Speaker 12 (39:15):
Is it so bad?

Speaker 9 (39:15):
Are these breaks so bad for you? I hope they're
not too bad for you? Guys? Oh crap, Sorry, let's
see where I am.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 9 (39:26):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (39:26):
And that came through Garcia to you from Katie, Yes, ma'am.
And when you say Wendy.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Was going to hide a gun, I'm no mistaking was
gonna hide it.

Speaker 8 (39:43):
What did happen to the gun got the one away
thrown away where no.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Ocean somewhere?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
All right?

Speaker 9 (39:54):
Previously he's total law enforcement that they brought two guns up.
He said he brought two guns up because he was
worried that after the hit was done, that seek Freido Garcia,
his bestest friend, his brother, was going to turn on
him and kill him so he could get all the money.

(40:16):
And Ian was like, yeah, I've heard that before. No
honor among these guys.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
Who threw it in the ocean. Somewhere he did, all right?
Was that on the way back to Miami, had some
overpass somewhere between here and Miami. Absolutely, where did you
go after the murder? Go home?

Speaker 4 (40:40):
We have to have somewhere to eat? Then went home?

Speaker 8 (40:43):
Did you stop in an atm.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
I don't remember?

Speaker 8 (40:49):
Show you States Exhibits thirty eight, thirty nine, forty forty three.

Speaker 9 (41:00):
Oh see texts this chick Hello, says I actually thank
Fulford's pitch of nothing, tying her directly, she said there's
no evidence against her client. I thought, well, what are
we doing here, Let's just send this to the jury.
If there's no evidence, why are we having all this
testimony which is evidence? She tried to exploit I hope

(41:24):
there's not too many young people on the jury, but
older people have had decades of this too, this idea
that it's not d if there's not DNA, And you're right,
the reason you do a murder for higher is so
you don't get your hands dirty. They just undid a
converction in Oklahoma Richard Glossa because he got Justin Snead

(41:47):
to do it for him and offered him a bunch
of money. And now they have to have another trial.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Is there just.

Speaker 9 (41:55):
To get this guy off of death row thanks to
the whole anti death penalty movement. Well, the supporters of
Richard Gospel will say things like, there's no DNA. Same
here with DONA, there won't be DNA and there certainly
won't be DNA on the money or fingerprints because she
made sure that she washed that. Yeah, I didn't think

(42:17):
it was a I thought her opening was terrible, bossy, awful.
But she had a good moment in this in this cross.
We'll look at it a second thirty.

Speaker 8 (42:35):
Yes me, are these images fair and accurate?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Photos of you?

Speaker 8 (42:48):
Pull them through an ATM in the day, July eighteenth,
twenty fourteen, Yes, ma'am, Pembroke Pines.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Is them on the way home from Tallahouse?

Speaker 8 (42:58):
Yeah, that's you at the ATM or you the driver, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
And who's that in the passenger see Garcia.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Published I'm sorry introduce.

Speaker 8 (43:18):
You.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Is that the vehicle you were driving the day the.

Speaker 8 (43:24):
Murder was done, sir, Yes, ma'am, publishing thirty nine. Is
that you at the ATM machine? Yes, ma'am, states exhibit forty.
Is this, mister Garcia to your passenger, Yes, ma'am, State's

(43:45):
exhibit forty one. He's the passenger that was jumping around
when we saw the car in tallahassee on the bus video.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
H Do you remember when you turned your phone back on?

Speaker 4 (44:15):
I really?

Speaker 8 (44:16):
Do you remember who was the first phone call that
either of you made after the murder?

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Garcia?

Speaker 8 (44:22):
Who did Garcia call Katie? And were you able to
hear Katie on the other end of the line when
he was talking to her? And were you interested in
that phone call because she was gonna be the one
to get you the money?

Speaker 11 (44:32):
Right?

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (44:34):
And was that phone call in reference to letting her
know it's done and she's gonna get the money. When
did you get the money?

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Saturday morning.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Is that the next day?

Speaker 8 (44:48):
The next day, do you remember that on that Saturday
morning you got a call from Katherine Magvanla. Yes, she
was looking for you to give you the money, right, ma'am?
And was that unusual for her to call you?

Speaker 4 (45:08):
I really, she never caused my phone.

Speaker 8 (45:10):
She never calls your phone. But she couldn't get a
hold of Garcia, right.

Speaker 7 (45:13):
I didn't get ahold of answer. She got a contact
with me.

Speaker 8 (45:17):
And at that time, wasn't Garcia living with another woman?

Speaker 13 (45:21):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (45:21):
And that was the woman that goes by the nickname Shrimp, Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (45:25):
And that's where you ended up rousing him out of
rights to go get your money, right.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Yes, ma'am okay.

Speaker 8 (45:32):
So he wasn't living with Katie as a family at
that time.

Speaker 9 (45:36):
Noay, So he's obsessed with Katie. He's so obsessed with
Katie that he do a murder for but he's living
with another woman. H wonder how that works out? And
you can hear that then they're still sleeping together. I
wonder how Shrimp feels about that. You can hear him

(46:01):
asking Katie for these tiny sums of money. Put this
in the bank, put that in the bank for him.

Speaker 8 (46:12):
So when you say that that Katie was with both
of them, do you mean just that Katie was always
kind of off and on with Garcia.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
So she has other boyfriends sometimes he has other girlfriends,
but they always find each other again. Absolutely, well, all right,

(46:42):
tell us what happened when you got your money? How'd
you get it? Where'd you get it?

Speaker 9 (46:47):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (46:47):
I was in the barbershop and they pulled up to
my house, Katie and Garcia, and they they call my phone. Yeah,
I think my baby mama phone. I think I'll be
Mama called me when they came.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
To my house.

Speaker 8 (47:03):
Okay, Katie and Garcia brought the money.

Speaker 7 (47:05):
I was in a barbershop and Katie Garcia they went
to my house and brought the money.

Speaker 8 (47:09):
All right, And do you know where Katie got the
money from? Were you there when Katie got the money? No,
but you knew that she was supposed to.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Go get it, absolutely, and she did, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (47:23):
How much did you get thirty five? Was there anything
unusual about how your payment was packaged?

Speaker 9 (47:34):
Thirty five thousand dollars for nineteen years in prison? Who
would take that money? About of money?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
No?

Speaker 9 (47:40):
What I mean, this story such an exploitation of the
poor by rich people, feel their throwaway trash people, and
these aren't the best people. There are people you would
but just the arrogance of it. But I I have

(48:05):
to apologize to Donna. I may have misread her. I
thought it said apprehended. It may have said, approached her script.
I'm looking at it again. It may have said I
approached her Donna her script that she wrote the snitch
in jail. She was going to offer Veneers for this
perjured testimony, this false testimony about Katie Veneers, prescription drugs,

(48:31):
property money. So I may have read that wrong. Maybe
said I approached her. I thought this apprehended. It's really hard.
It looks like she may have crossed out things. And
I'm reading it from the projector where they projected it. Tiny.
Hopefully that evidence will be released to the public, the exhibits.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
It was weird.

Speaker 7 (48:55):
It was it was all stable cash money cash, how
all hundreds, all hundreds of thousand lots of.

Speaker 8 (49:03):
Staple stabled in the bundles of a thousand dollars. Yes, ma'am,
have you ever seen staple money before?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
No?

Speaker 8 (49:13):
Did you and Garcia buy anything.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
With your cut of the money idact to bought a motorcycle?

Speaker 8 (49:25):
Moving to evidence forty six and forty seven.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Runner Yes.

Speaker 8 (49:32):
Publishing states Exhibit forty six. This yellow motorcycle, whose is that?

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Garcia?

Speaker 8 (49:40):
Is that something he bought with the money that was
the proceeds of this murder?

Speaker 11 (49:44):
Is man?

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (49:46):
And what about this vehicle back here.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
By that one too?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
He also bought that with his cut of the money?

Speaker 11 (49:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:52):
In State's Exhibit forty seven. What about this motorcycle right.

Speaker 8 (49:56):
Here that's mine?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Is that what you bought for part of what you
bought with your money?

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
How long after the murder did you, guys like this purposes?

Speaker 8 (50:11):
Days? Weeks, months?

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Yeah, I like a month, I like them month.

Speaker 8 (50:17):
Did you make any changes to your cell phone after
the murder? Did you dump your cell phone?

Speaker 4 (50:24):
I don't remember.

Speaker 8 (50:29):
Did you meet with investigator Newlan from my office to
see if you could recognize some voices on some recorded
telephone calls? And did mister Newlan play some calls for
you and have you initial on a sheet if you
could identify the voice State's exhibit Yeah, I'm gonna show

(51:19):
you what I have marked as State's exhibit one thirty six.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Kay, Yes, do you recognize this exhibit?

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Yes, ma'am?

Speaker 8 (51:42):
And are these your initials here?

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
And does that mean you're verifying that the highlighted name
you know that person.

Speaker 7 (51:49):
And that is their voice absolutely particular?

Speaker 4 (51:53):
Yes, m.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
Please on their re Did you know where the dentist lived?

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Nope?

Speaker 8 (53:12):
Did you know that the dentist had a safe full
of money?

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Nope?

Speaker 8 (53:16):
Did you know that the dentist was going to be
paying for at least part of this murder?

Speaker 11 (53:21):
No?

Speaker 8 (53:22):
And if you had known that the dentist had a
safe full of money, would you have driven all the
way to Tallahassee to do the murder to then get
the money? No? What would have been a better idea?
What would you have preferred to do to get the money?

Speaker 4 (53:42):
I wouldn't want to rob them myself.

Speaker 8 (53:47):
Did you suggest a Garcia on the way out to
Tallahassee that y'all could just go to whoever had the
money and rob them instead of doing this murder?

Speaker 4 (53:53):
And mentioned somebody that Yes, And but.

Speaker 8 (53:55):
That Garcia said that wouldn't work right?

Speaker 11 (53:58):
No?

Speaker 8 (54:03):
Nothing further cross examination.

Speaker 13 (54:17):
Good afternoon, mister Garcia. Excuse me, I said, good afternoon,
Good afternoon.

Speaker 9 (54:24):
I just want to make sure, okay, did everybody hear
that good afternoon, mister Garcia. It might be important when
you're pross examining, examining somebody to get their name correct.
No one knows who that adolescent was sitting next to Harvey.

(54:46):
I don't think so.

Speaker 13 (54:48):
I'm sure I understood your testimony. It was your testimony
that the first trip you came up on you scoped
out mister Markhill's house, correct, and that he was going
to be taking his kids to school. So when he
came out with the kids, you're trying to follow him
to the school, correct.

Speaker 7 (55:06):
Ma'am, and you got lost, he lost you, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 13 (55:12):
And the second time that you came up, you knew
he was going to be taking the children to school,
and so you followed him to the school.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
Did they care?

Speaker 13 (55:20):
Yes, yes, And then you knew he was going to
be going to the gym, right.

Speaker 7 (55:24):
I didn't know who was going to the gym. I
just followed him.

Speaker 13 (55:26):
You followed him to the gym, okay. And then you
followed him to his house, yes, ma'am. And that's where
he was killed, yes, ma'am. And the woman who wanted
him to be killed. Passed you and Sigcredo and Katie.
The woman who wanted to be killed was Wendy Aedelson. Correct, Yes, ma'am,
it was she wanting her children.

Speaker 8 (55:48):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (55:53):
So.

Speaker 9 (55:54):
Is this Donna throwing Wendy under the bus? I don't
think so. I think I think it's just good lawyering.
But this is what he's always said, that they were
doing this for Wendy, get her kids.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
It's back.

Speaker 9 (56:15):
He's always been one of the strongest witnesses against Wendy
this case, not Donna. He's never mentioned Donna. And good
cross by Jackie Fulford for capitalizing on it. Oh, it
was the mother and brother of the defense paralegal. Thanks
Raven in the now, thank you appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Mister Garcia, I'm gonna show you what.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 9 (56:43):
Sorry, I'm so sorry, but it doesn't really matter to me.
Can I can I call you Luisi? Since I'm on
the first name basis with Danny Marcal the victim here,
as I'm representing his murderer and trying to get her off.

(57:03):
You know, I really want Donna to have a decent defense.
I don't want her to have a terrible defense, because
then she's gonna get it overturned. I don't want them
to do something that would allow this conviction if it
becomes a conviction to be overturned. Could be a hung jury,
could get an acquittal. We don't know, but certainly the
way all the other trials have gone, odds are on

(57:27):
or getting convicted. Also, she's very unlikable when she takes
the stand. I don't think the jury will like her.
But who knows what Donna Edelson will see when she
takes the stand. Maybe she'll take the stand and put
on the performance of a life a life. It was terrible.
I didn't know, I was afraid. We don't know. I apologize,

(57:54):
but I find Jackie Fulford repellent. If I were a duror,
she would have hit such a poor note with me
with trying to take the victims moniker and align herself
with a victim going. And then she went into the

(58:16):
brutality of the crime. I didn't really go over that yesterday,
but she seems to really revel in telling every gory
detail of it. I think she's trying to desensitize the
jury to the heinousness of this crime, to not sweep
it under the rug. But she would have hit such

(58:37):
a bad note with me on that opening. I don't know.
I would find it very hard to to listen to
anything else.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
She said.

Speaker 9 (58:51):
She's lost credibility with me once you call him Danny,
I don't mean to be respectful. So she said, as
a little slip up there, I just like to call
the victim who I didn't know, in front of the
in front of the grieving victim's parents there too, in

(59:13):
the courtroom, disgusting. She's gonna pretend she's one of them, Sarah.

Speaker 13 (59:19):
I'm going to show you what's been marked as defendants
Exhibit fifty.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Could you take a look at that and tell me
if you recognize that?

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Yeah? And what is that like a profile of everybody's face? Okay?

Speaker 8 (59:31):
And did you make some marks on this for me
and then and then sign it on March.

Speaker 7 (59:37):
The eleventh, Yes, I did.

Speaker 8 (59:41):
You just hold on to that, mister Barah.

Speaker 13 (59:53):
When we met with you that day taking your deposition,
I presented that to you. You gave us information about
what had happened pretty similar to what you talked about
here today, correct, Yes, ma'am. And when we were done
talking about those things, and some information about Sigfredo and Katie.
I presented you with what's in front of you as
defendants Exhibit fifty, correct, yes, ma'am. And I asked if

(01:00:15):
you would put the number one and circle it next
to the person you know as Katie who you said
it was in charge of this whole deal.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Correct, yep? And did you do that yep?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
All right?

Speaker 13 (01:00:27):
And then I said, would you put a number two
next to the person you say did this killing?

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (01:00:34):
And you did that correct, Yes, I did, and that
was Sigfredo Garcia, yes, ma'am. The first one was Katie
Macbatwah correct, yes, ma'am. And then I said, would you
put a number three next to yourself on.

Speaker 7 (01:00:46):
The paper and did you do that, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 13 (01:00:48):
And you're the one who got the gun that was
used to kill Danny Markel and you drove the car
that day.

Speaker 8 (01:00:55):
You didn't shoot him, right, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (01:00:58):
And then I said, if you would put please put
the number four next to the man who was killed,
and you did that with Danny Markel, correct, is ma'am.
And then I said, if you would put the number
five next to the lady that oneed man killed and
did you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:01:15):
I did? And was that with Wendy Aedelson?

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
I did.

Speaker 13 (01:01:17):
Then I asked you if the two people on the
top of the page who have pictures there and the
names Donald, I mean, Donna Aedelson and Harvey Edelson, you
see those on the top, is ma'am?

Speaker 8 (01:01:29):
I asked you, as far as you know, were they?

Speaker 9 (01:01:32):
She can't get her own clients name right, Donald, Donna,
I get I mess up to talking. This is her client.
She just seems ill prepared. I think she's a dark person.
I mean, can you imagine feeling comfortable to call the

(01:01:52):
victim Danny as you're representing his killer in front of
the grieving victim's parents what they called them? I like
to be one of you and called Danny. It's disgusting.
This woman just really raised all the red flags for me.

(01:02:13):
Someone I would want nothing to do with that I
would stay as far away from as possible. I'm not
crazy about lawyers in general, especially defense attorneys, but although
I have had some who've been on the show multiple times,
I understand why everyone needs a good defense attorney. But

(01:02:39):
this woman woh so callous, so.

Speaker 8 (01:02:47):
Cruel, involved in any of this and you said no,
correct as well.

Speaker 13 (01:02:51):
So I asked you to put exits next to the
people who on that page were not involved in this
as well, and you did that, So did thank you.

Speaker 9 (01:03:00):
Moment, we're right at the end here, curious no redirect.

(01:03:25):
She just had him say essentially that my client had
nothing to do with any agreed no redirect. Okay, I
guess she'll clear it up in closing unless they fixate
on that. If I word dura, my ears would have
gone huh, all right. So that is his bizarre, his

(01:03:50):
memories bad. He did everything to help out the defense
that I think he's angry at the state for not
reducing his time. That's what I think. That was a
very hostile, cooperation, cooperative testimony he gave. So I'm going

(01:04:11):
to end this episode the way I end so many
of my episodes about the murder of Dan Marcal with
a victim impact letter. This is when we haven't read
in a while. This is to the honorable James C. Hankinson.

(01:04:33):
Dan Markel was my cousin, his father Phil my first cousin.
I knew Dan as a child, my little cousin, and
became reacquainted with him when his sister Shelley got married
in Toronto in August of nineteen ninety six. My husband
and I went to the wedding and enjoyed a coffee
with Dan in the small cafe in Toronto the day

(01:04:56):
before the wedding. Dan was so warm and welcoming and
wondered aloud why it took so long for us to
reconnect and get to know each other as adults. We
instantly warmed to one another and saw each other as
often as we could, given that we lived miles apart,
across the continent and in different countries. My husband and

(01:05:19):
I were intrigued by Dan's loving and positive nature and
enjoyed being with him. Dan clerked for a judge in
the United States Court of the Ninth Circuit in Phoenix.
After his time there, he would return for yearly reunions
with a judge and former clerks. We had a winter
home in Scottsdale, Arizona, and spent as much time as

(01:05:43):
we could with Dan whenever we were both in town.
Dan introduced us to the judge on a couple of
occasions and to the other attorneys he worked with. We
went to the movies, dinners, and he occasionally stayed with
us as well, spending time together. Dan kept in touch

(01:06:04):
and visited us in our home in Victoria, b C.
With Wendy shortly after they got married. Whenever we spoke
by phone, he would constantly talk about his cherished boys.
It was clear that they were the light of his life.
When he and Wendy separated, Dan was distraught about his

(01:06:25):
children and the entire situation. Losing Dan was a huge
and painful shock for me. I cannot imagine the grief
in suffering Dan's parents, Ruth and Phil, his sister, and
other family members have been going through since his untimely
and shocking death. They continue to suffer while this tragedy

(01:06:49):
continues in always will. Dan's two boys will never know
and experience the depth of love their father had for them,
and will not receive his loving encouragement and guidance as
they grow older. Best Norma Butterfield. That is what I

(01:07:15):
have for today. Guys, Please hit the thumbs up on
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(01:07:37):
one time donation via Buy Me a Coffee Venmo. Links
are in the description of this and every episode. Have
a great night. See you tomorrow. Patty from Patty's Playhouse
is coming on to talk about what it's like don
Aedielson's trial from a from inside the courtroom. So we'll

(01:08:00):
talk about that. We'll talk about Donna Harvey, Wendy's appearance,
also what it was like with all the arguing between
the judge and the defense attorneys and the prosecution. I'm
going to talk about it all, what she thought of
opening statements tomorrow at six pm Eastern. Don't miss it.

(01:08:23):
Then Monday, I'm back live streaming the trial from very
early in the morning on Stay tuned, guys. I'll see
you tomorrow at six pm Eastern. Have a great night.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
What a speak shore him?

Speaker 12 (01:08:58):
You got it a murder because you wanted to raise
your daughter's kids, tamahas he is just to stop on
the way to civilization. My Heami is where all the
fancy people are. The TV is about five. You can't

(01:09:21):
get away from that. Toutoe tato hu ho. You know
the guy you pay then you can't get away from that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Oh Donald?

Speaker 12 (01:09:34):
What to stitch your head. You thought chall was just.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
For the little people, but now you're so blank.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
It's with the locked up proof.

Speaker 12 (01:09:43):
Your grandmother is locked down and your one way ride
to feed on your blue.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Gona.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
What a stitch your head.

Speaker 12 (01:10:08):
Your family are exiled from the social circles you swam in.

Speaker 9 (01:10:15):
We all know you never made that banana break your.

Speaker 12 (01:10:18):
Offer to babysit for dance, but you'll soon be nake
in license plates and thinking a.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Bubble could have been.

Speaker 12 (01:10:27):
Oh Gona, you had to plan a murderer

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