Feds Crack Down on Free Karen Read?!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, just to be clear, you didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
You all know if John was beaten up and attacked
in that house, who did it?

Speaker 4 (00:13):
We don't know.

Speaker 5 (00:14):
We don't know, We don't know, and it's not for
us to know.

Speaker 6 (00:18):
Somebody other than Karen, somebody other than Karen is responsible
for that, for the killing of John.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
You are listening to the ROBERTA.

Speaker 5 (00:35):
Glass True Crime report putting the true back in true crime.

Speaker 7 (00:46):
From New York City.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
ROBERTA.

Speaker 7 (00:47):
Glass is now on the record.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Okay, how is everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
So?

Speaker 5 (01:15):
I went for a little while with this story, and
initially it seemed a lot, a little bit more promising
than maybe it looked.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
There were some.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Clues, and of course the story is that a woman
who sat on the grand jury, so grand juries sat
on the grand jury, many cases, among them Karen Reid
had been convicted pled guilty to leaking information. So this woman,

(01:55):
Jessica Leslie, she's in there. She's thirty four from Massachusetts,
sat on the grand jury, and she leaked information in
a and to whom it didn't say, and really didn't say.
It was concerning the Karen Reids case. It said she

(02:17):
sat on cases connected two among them Karen Reid. So
it was done very in a very clever way, right,
So everyone's like, the Feds are coming, right, everybody on
this side, So everybody on the other side, the free
Karen readers are saying, oh, finally the Feds are coming.

(02:41):
The Mcalberts are all going to be arrested, the real killers,
when we all know the real killer got acquitted of
the most serious charges and convicted of one very's minor charge,
of which she will do no jail time. So and
we know that they're leaking, and we're going to talk

(03:01):
about that. We know that there was leaking of federal
grand jury materials or suggestive of it from the evidence
we have, But so what's this all about? Really? And
I know, so this side of the fence is saying, oh, finally,

(03:22):
this is just the first of many arrests, Turtle boys
going down for leaking grand jury information. Maybe this person's
going maybe Karen Reid's going down. Maybe her lawyers, as
if they wouldn't know how to protect themselves, And we
know that Karen Reids certainly knew how to protect herself
and Turtle Boy eventually got on the worn using you know,

(03:48):
got with a program, got on the horn, got with
a program, and started using an encrypted app in this case,
so there were always one step ahead. And I'm not
convinced that this just looks like to me a big
nothing burger. They picked off a very small fish. Hate

(04:09):
to just welcome to reality. This is the reality live
stream for today. I want to keep us focused on
what's really important, which of course is the civil case
coming up, going to talk about the witnesses getting their
testimony in order, let's keep it within reality and keep focused.

(04:32):
This woman really is a very small deal in the
what I would say is the massive corruption that happened
in Massachusetts in this case. So they've thrown out their
sacrificial lamb to make it look like they're doing something,
and meanwhile we have a murderer on the loose making

(04:56):
book deals and movie deals and richer by the minute.
I know that this is not a happy, happy look
at it, but it's a realistic look at it. And
I'm going to talk about some of the other reporting
on this. I'm not a fan of his, but I
have to say I agree with Turtle Boy on his

(05:18):
take on this, I think he's right. I think if
it had a lot to do with him, he would
be the first out there gaslighting, covering up, bragging. I
don't know, picure, pick your move, but I think that
this is just a token thrown to this side, token action,

(05:46):
and she's really they've ruined this woman's life for doing
something very small. I mean, gossiping about a federal investigation.
Not a great thing to do. But if she was
taking Karen Read documents, it's not clear. There's this other CDL.
So what is the CDL scandal? Let me show you

(06:09):
just before I really get into get into everything. So
there's two Turtle Boy thinks that it's more related to
the CDL scandal than Karen Reid, but it may have
had some I don't know residual I don't know even

(06:31):
how to it's so I did see the plea agreement.
I did read the plea agreement. Yeah, but it started
out with her leaking stuff about this, and it might
have gone into Karen Read a bit. But she is

(06:51):
a very minor, minor, minor player in all of this. Now,
if you were telling me Yanetti's going down or Alan
Jackson's going down or Josh Levy's being indicted or investigated,
that's something different. But this is in the grand scheme
of things, very very small deal. So this was a

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four Massachusetts State troopers. Two others were arrested. This is
the CDL scandal. So this is the other case she
sat on on the grand jury among other cases. Two
others arrested for four Massachusetts State troopers. Two others arrested
for allegedly alleged bribery conspiracy. Two current and two former

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Massachusetts State Police troopers among six charged in a seventy
four count indictment in connection with an alleged conspiracy to
falsify records and giving passing scores to certain commercial driver's
license applicants, including individuals who has failed or did not

(08:05):
take the cdl's skills test and it changed for bribes.
Is that even even a sentence? Okay? Two current and
former Massachusetts State Police troopers are among six charged in
a seventy four count indictment in connection with an alleged
conspiracy to falsify records and give passing scores to certain

(08:29):
commercial driver's license applicants, including applicants who had failed or
did not take the CDL skills test in exchange for bribes.
So I was looking like, how is how hard is
this commercials driver's license? So these are for people are
driving big trucks, et cetera. And more than half of

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the people. It's like fifty two percent of the people
failed this thing. Only forty eight passed. So it's a
hard test apparently. So these were the six troopers charge, etc.
So that's what it's. That's one of the things. So

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and this is the way Turtle Boy talks about it.
Yesterday's big news was that the FBI charged a federal
juror and investigation in the Karen Reid case with leaking
sealed information. Jessica Leslie, a thirty four year old woman
from Draycott, pled guilty in exchange for a sentence of
one day in jail, which he has already served. This

(09:38):
has caused a huge uproar online from people who are
thirsty for new content, and predictably, the reactions have been
split among tribe lines, as all parties view the developments
through the lens of confirmation bias. Those who believe Karen
Reid is innocent view the charges as evidence that the
federal investigation into the Mcalberts and DA's offen this is ongoing,

(10:01):
or that they're going to be arrested any minute now,
when they've announced that it's closed in all ways that
they can no one is coming. It's closed, it's over.
While those who believe read is guilty believe it is
evidence and Karen Reid and Turtle Boys are the ones
being investigated, there's no real evidence of that yet, and

(10:28):
so this is how they put it. A Draycott, woman
who sat on this from the Boston Globe, who sat
on the federal grand jury that investigated the state's handling
of Karen Reid's murder case, has been in charge with
criminal content for allegedly leaking information about secret proceedings. A

(10:49):
plea agreement signed by Leslie Tuesday said the government and
defense have agreed to recommend that she'd be sentenced only
one day deems served, meaning she will not spend any
time in and if the judge accepts the recommendation, they
don't have to judge male or female may not, may
go beyond the recommended sentence and do something else. A

(11:11):
hearing date has yet to be set. Many believed it
was suspicious that this woman was only sentenced to one
day deemed served. They have opined that this is evidence
that Jessica Leslie offered up information on someone else. I
discussed this last night in exchange for this leniency, But
the fact of the matter is that all she did

(11:33):
was gossip about the grand jury to some girlfriends, and
the Feds don't think it's a serious crime, but they
also want to send a message by publicly smearing her
like this. I do agree that she's now public enemy
number one for what we have a murderer on the list?
Can I remind you we have a murderer on the list?

(11:53):
Cop killer on the loose?

Speaker 8 (11:56):
Here?

Speaker 5 (11:57):
What actually happened in early to a murderer who's making
book deals and movie deals and being treated like Lady
Diana and her lawyers are running around in their million
dollar sports cars or whatever one hundred thousand dollars sports
cars or whatever they cost. In early twenty twenty four,

(12:19):
an anonymous Twitter account run by a woman I spoke
with last night and verified the identity of posted that
a federal grand jury had indicted have a dozen state
troopers for accepting brides in exchange for commercial drivers license
applicants who were previously to diede days later, on January thirtieth,

(12:41):
the DOJ announced the indictments, but it was not public
knowledge when the anonymous Twitter account posted it. The FED
saw the tweet, which means it was sent to them
by someone where they monitor random accounts with less than
one k followers. The FEDS confronted, confronted, found the woman.

(13:01):
I guess that's the type of The FEDS found the
woman and confronted her who tweeted the previously sealed information
about the pending indictment in the CDL scandal, and confronted
her about it. The woman who was friends with a
grand juror named Jessica Leslie, and were able to read
messages between them, confirming that Leslie was the source of

(13:23):
the information. Leslie had been sitting on the grand jury
since August of twenty twenty two, and was removed from
the grand jury on March fourth, twenty twenty four, after
they found out she had been messaging her friends about
the grand jury. The grand jury Leslie sat on heard

(13:44):
lots of cases that were brought in front of them,
many which did not end up being indicted, including the
CDL investigation and the Karen Reid investigation. The FEDS have
Leslie's phone, so they were able to see everyone she
leaked information too. They would be able to see that
she spoke to her friends several times about cases she

(14:04):
was sitting on, including the Read case. That's why she's
in trouble. She gabbed to her girlfriends in private chats
about the grand jury. So that's his take on it,
and I tend to agree that it's a nothing burger,
whether it even goes beyond that. We know that there

(14:28):
was leaking of grand jury information in the Karen Reid
case because of the intermediary between AID and Turtleboy Carney,
the blogger in this case who pushed out Karen Reid's
innocent fraud campaign with the help of Karen Reid and
her lawyers. So initially Karen Reid spoke to Turtle Boy

(14:54):
through an intermediary named Natalie Burnschneider WWIKI, And when they
started looking into these connected actions between Karen Reid and
Turtle Boy and going after Turtle Boy for harassing witnesses
in this case, Natalie Wiwiki burnch Natalie Burnschneider were Wiki

(15:15):
cooperated and she gave this interview with Lieutenant Brian Tully,
So let me pull that up for you guys.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Did Karen ever send you grand jury minutes or motions
to send to.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Aiden only if they were already public. She was very
careful about that. She was very very careful, and she
would always say, let me double check with YANNENNI to
make sure they're public.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
So Karen Reid and her lawyers were being very careful
not to leak the grand information that they already had.
So the most criminal always make sure that they can't
get caught. You think that Karen Read and her lawyers,
I mean, if you think Karen Read's lawyers are going
to put down anything, and that's why they're talking to

(16:16):
their own expert witnesses on encrypted at apps. Excuse me
that auto delete? They don't. If they're doing something wrong,
they're not going to leave a paper trace.

Speaker 7 (16:30):
But never beforehand. She was very careful about that.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
You're confused about the CDL. So that was just another
so grand juries Here are a lot of cases. It's
not just the Karen Reid case. So it was the
scandal where police officers were getting people commercial driver's license
who hadn't taken the test, or who probably wouldn't would

(16:58):
have failed the test, getting them favoritism to get them
their commercial driver's license for paybacks. So she gave information
about that and Karen read, is that does that clear
it up?

Speaker 3 (17:15):
And the only time I think she fucked up, excuse
me that she messed up, was releasing the color autopsy photos.
And for some reason, I thought I sent those to Aiden.
But when I looked through my text messages with him,
I sat down on Friday in my car and I
was like, you know what, I'm going to finally re
revisited this and I scrolled all the way up to

(17:37):
the top and I got a jama juice.

Speaker 7 (17:40):
I sat in my car.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
And I read everything, and when I was done, I
was like, thank you Jesus. I did not send the
autopsy photos. I thought that maybe I sent those, but
that's because I had them saved. But I think John
Silvera because he's on some of the emails with me.
I was only sent like three emails or four emails,

(18:05):
and he was on like one or two of them.
And I know that they're very close, and I know
that he was her biggest donor because he donated fifteen k.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
So I know that. And then she also said to
me sometimes, like.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Natalie, if this is too much for you, I can
have john S takeover, you know, if you need a break.
And I was like, no, this is what friends are for.
Don't sweat it. It's not a big deal. I'm just
copying pasting. The kids are asleep, you know, like.

Speaker 7 (18:41):
So, and that was pretty much it, and that was
pretty much my indolvement.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
So Aiden does an impromptu video, and the impromptu video
was dedicated to Sean on the golf the beginning, the
first half was to Sewan on the golf because Sewan
and the golf removed because he was a moderator in
the group. He removed anybody talking about the grand jury.
And he called Karen and he called Aiden and he said,

(19:11):
you guys can't ask about the grand jury, and Turtle,
you can't do your blogs asking about information about the
grand jury. This is highly confidential information. So Aiden did
an impromptu and that first part was dedicated to Sean

(19:31):
on the Gulf saying where he says something along the
lines of like, hey, let me make something straight about
the grand jury. Trust me, trust me, like the whole
trust me, trust me part you don't have a law degree.
Trust me, It's okay to talk about the grand jury.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Trust me.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
And then he goes and now I want to talk
about the T shirts.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Before we go to the T shirts, can talk about
the grand jury part. Yeah, So what was being posted
on these side?

Speaker 3 (20:00):
I don't know because I wasn't on, but I guess
somebody said like, oh, my friend is on the grand jury,
and she said that we meet every Thursday something like.

Speaker 7 (20:12):
That is what I heard and heard and heard from somebody.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
But this is June of twenty twenty three, or at
least someone who's on the grand jury that in cited Karen.
I don't know, but they talked about grand jury, so
I don't know if it's like very specific like that.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
And so Sean and the Golf removed it. Turtle got
really mad. Karen was mad. I guess. I don't know,
but I heard she was mad.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
And so Aiden does this impromptu and so the first half,
as I mentioned, is dedicated to Sean on the Golf,
and then the second half is dedicated to Erica Humphrey Davis,
who's or Erica Davis Humphries, who's actually Karen Ahern.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
And to me.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Okay, so there is Natalie Bernschneider Wiki talking about the
leaking by John Silvera of autopsy photos in this but
he's not going down down. Is this the beginning of
some where some kind of action on the Karen Reid

(21:25):
case to go after the small people who leaked things
or the smaller people who leaked things in this case,
because the way that Turtle Boy puts it in that
live and I have a copy of it if you
want to see it, he's just saying, we can't get
in trouble for using it. It's the person who leaked it.

(21:45):
He's obviously talked to a lawyer, probably Karen's lawyers or
his own lawyers, and we cann't. We can't get in
trouble for using the information. It's really on the the
juror sat on the grand jury. And I just think

(22:06):
way too much our side. And I say this to
really promote a kind of focus among the witnesses and
in this case, because we have a civil trial coming
up that Karen Reid is gearing up for, and unless
we want to have the same kind of result that

(22:27):
we had in the criminal case that we're going to
have in the civil case, we hope that the witnesses
will get their testimony as sharp as possible and together
as possible, and really solidify their evidence so that it's

(22:56):
powerful when time comes for them to be deposed. Have
there been depositions in this? I know Karen Reid couldn't
be deposed, but I would think that there hasn't been
any real movement in this until after the criminal trial.
I know this civil judge delayed this civil action by
the o'keefes against Karen Reid very much like an OJ

(23:20):
type civil suit wrongful death, until after the criminal case.
I wouldn't think that witnesses have been deposed yet. But
are we going to see leaking? This is an interesting question.
Are we going to see if these depositions are videotaped?
Are we going to see leaking of depositions before trial?

(23:43):
Of people's testimony in the civil case for discovery, so
before a civil case, you get all sorts of depositions
in the discovery process. Many times they're videotapes. Sometimes they're
done over zoom, sometimes they're done in lawyer's offices. And
are we gonna see leaking of those depositions? So we've

(24:07):
had I begin over before I'll go over it a
little again. Carrie Roberts is a big has some real
problems with her evidence in her testimony. Also Katherine Camerano,
Michael Camerano, those are all people who could don't mean

(24:28):
to be picking on them. They're really important witnesses. When
Catherine Camerano says, so we know that this is shortly
after five o'clock, they spoke, and they spoke for quite
a few minutes, and Catherine Camerano says, oh, there was
so much screaming Karen Reid. I don't know what she said.

(24:50):
I couldn't understand for all this scream really, really she
had to say something more important to you. But it
sounded like in trial that Catherine Camerano didn't want to
give evidence that would have put Karen Reid in prison.
So and Michael Camerano too when he talked about bang

(25:15):
on about it again. But the Richie the plumber, Karen
Reid is texting with John o'keeffer over an hour and
ten minutes about that darn plumber, and it's been ghosted
out of the narrative, and it's very important and innocent
fraud narratives, there's always a reason why the killer ghosts

(25:36):
a narrative out of the public domain, and it's usually
because it's not doesn't make them look too good, or
it's telling something telling about their character. So did this
Richie the Plumber exist? Did he really go to home
depot to fix her rusty pipe? Was it really what

(25:59):
delayed her coming to meet John o'keef at the bar?
So the last conversation one of the last conversations that
Karen Reid and John O'Keeffe had, The last conversation they
had on text, it's all about this plumber. I can't
come out. Richie the Plumber's over, And John O'Keeffe told

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Michael Camerono, who's really upset that Karen Reid didn't ask
him and his dad, who is a plumber to fix
her plumbing for free? Why is she hiring Richie at
seven something on a Friday night? Why is he over
before a storm? He can't come back, but Yanna, it's
a storm, And then he twisted it into well she doesn't,

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and then he started to talk about how Karen Reid
doesn't like for John O'Keeffe's friends to be around him,
and then he twisted into too many women Karen read
being jealous. She's not jealous. It's a pattern of isolating
John o'keef that certainly got ghosted in both trials. It's

(27:12):
something that is done in DV relationships. You keep someone
away from their friends, their support group. We know that
the Christmas before John O'Keefe always hosted a Christmas party,

(27:34):
night before Christmas party, Christmas Eve party at his house,
but Karen Reid told him his friends to stay away
because her parents were coming and they were old and
they have COVID. Meanwhile, she's going out to Bruins games
without mass she's at bars without masks. She doesn't seem

(27:56):
too concerned with COVID. Why did she keep it to
just John o'keef's family and her family because she wanted
to isolate him from his support group right at the
critical time that he's trying to kick her out of
the you know, when things are going really badly for her,
and eventually will they will go so badly that he

(28:17):
will ask her to leave the home and she'll refuse.
So this is just a invitation. I know every time
I share this channel, I get criticism, but this is
really just an invitation for discussion. And I thought I

(28:42):
had a very different take than Kevin Lenahan and Kate
Peter at Yellow Cottage Shale. I wanted to show you
their take on what is this scandal? I don't know,
it's a really this nothing burger scandal, I'd call it.
With this federal flee of doing one day in prison

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that or jail that's already been done. If that's what
she gets, she could get something else, but I don't
think it would be much more. Here's Kevin Lenna hands take.
Let's take a listen, and then let's discuss. This is
not an attack on Kevin, It's not an attack on
Kate Peter. Let's let's look into these ideas, not think
so cold like. Let's have an open, free discussion. Let's

(29:26):
get into their tape.

Speaker 9 (29:30):
But why would you need to leak? Do you really
need you to explain that to you, dude? I mean,
she's wants if a federal, if a grand jurorpe is
going to leak that to Turtle Boy, that just reinforces
what he's been hearing from Karen, and so that's very useful,
or if it's leaked.

Speaker 10 (29:50):
To her honestly, because I mean, this is where it
kind of. I've always kind of kept a dimmer view
of her relationship with the US Attorney's office, as you
and I have discussed many times, Like, I don't necessarily
know if I believe that Karen had a direct line
to the first you know, US District Attorney, I.

Speaker 11 (30:10):
You know, meet with him, right, Well, yeah, I mean yes, yes,
But as far as like you know, getting constant updates
and all this other stuff, I had always kind of Okay, Well.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
We do know that Josh Levy's office was willing to
break a seaquestration order so hard to say and give
Karen Read's defense witnesses a full rundown. So when you're
under a sequestration order means you can't look at anyone

(30:42):
else's testimony. And we know that Daniel Woolf from ARCA
was getting full reports on the phone from the Fed
office about what other witnesses were saying so he could
tailor his testimony to be as powerful as possible for Karen. Now,

(31:02):
whether this is just I've heard that there is a
rivalry between the federal office. I don't know if it's
true or not, the Fed Office in the DA's office.
There's no love loss, so maybe Josh Leedy just wanted
to help Karen Reid by doing this investigation. He knew
the power of it, they knew they were going to
find anything. But he got some really good witnesses for

(31:27):
her that were willing to take just a tiny bit
of cherry picked evidence and do experiments with it. Eventually
ended up doing experiment that looked awful lot what happened
to John O'Keefe.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
But.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
They took some They weren't interested in getting any more
information than what they were given by essentially Karen Reid's
defense team. It was so hard to prove what the
FEDS gave them was what Karen Reid's defense team gave
the Feds. I mean, no difference between the Federal office
and Karen Reid's defense team. So why did they do that?

(32:07):
Because he wanted to give the middle finger to the
DA's office and help get a killer off. But here's
Kevin's take. It's quite different than mine.

Speaker 12 (32:16):
Take a listen, based on my time working with Turtle Boy,
that it was very plausible that somebody lower level was
giving out this information and keeping her abreast of it,
and then she inflates it to make things look more legitimate.

Speaker 9 (32:33):
Right, and she definitely. But also we know now that.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
Well, someone low on the totem pole cannot get a
federal investigation going. This doesn't make any sense. And I
do believe they did take a zoom call with them
and told them to delay the trial because the more
delays only increase Karen Read's strength and poison the jury pool.

(32:58):
More she was able to get out more media and
more information out into the public domain.

Speaker 9 (33:04):
It's a big bombshell that came out in April Von
Deer of Doctor Wolfe that representatives of the US Attorney's
office were communicating in violation of sequestation what the States
experts have been testifying during the trial.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Hey to them, Yeah right, So I mean.

Speaker 9 (33:22):
You know, I guess we could say that that doesn't
mean that Josh Levy was aware of it, but that
seems kind of unlikely to me.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I'm not saying he was.

Speaker 10 (33:29):
Or wasn't aware of it, but it doesn't mean he
was calling Karen Reid and her attorneys keeping them abreast
of every little development and being like, hey, buddy, we're
on your side.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
Wait, but I mean, if they're keeping the hit Karen
Reid's witnesses abreast of every development in the trial sounds
like it were the important developments. Why wouldn't they be
keeping Karen Reid in her legal team. That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 10 (33:53):
We're going to arrest everybody right now, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 9 (33:56):
No, But I think that it's the fact that they
were helping out, the US attorney helping out during the
trial in a very egregious way like that certainly suggests
that they knew what they were doing was wrong, and
they were doing it anyways.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Now when that you were correct, I agree with Kevin there.

Speaker 9 (34:14):
Again, and how far it went, we don't know, you know.
I think it's a very good chance that they they
certainly started out. I doubt that they started out thinking that, well, geez,
we're going to help a murder defendant get off. No,
they wouldn't think like that. That's not how That's not
how someone who graduated second in his class from Brown
would think.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. They didn't
know that they were helping getting They knew Karen Reid
was a murder defendant. Josh Leevy knew Karen Reid was
a murder defendant, but because he was second in his
class in Brown, so This is an appeal to authority
that he couldn't think He couldn't want to help a
murder and accuse murder, an actual cop killer get off

(34:58):
for either ideology reasons or personal reasons or whatever reasons
because he just likes the feeling of power it gives him. Apparently,
when you come second in your class in Brown you
think a different way. It comes with a degree in morality.

(35:22):
Why can't they think like that? What evidence do you
have besides and how does his what evidence do you
have that he didn't think like that? Certainly everything you
don't think that. I mean, he's watching the whole first trial.

(35:45):
We know that Daniel Wolfe's testimony came at the end
of the first trial. He watched all the evidence he
could have gotten, all the evidence against Karen Rey that
he wanted sure for his investigation from the from the state.
He didn't ask for any for ARCA. So, I mean,

(36:08):
doesn't that lean a little bit more to the idea
that he's helping a cop killer get off for whatever reason?
But if you graduate from an ivy league school, apparently
that comes with some morality, that some degree in morality
that keeps you from doing those kind of things.

Speaker 9 (36:30):
He was duped, but then once he was duped.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
Wait, so he was duped? When exactly was he duped?
If he thought there was good evidence, wouldn't he be
asking for all the evidence when he hires his witnesses
is expert witnesses for the FEDS ARCA. When didn't he
wanted to contact the state and get all the evidence,

(36:56):
not just give him cherry picked evidence from the from
the defense? Does that make any sense to you, guys?
I just want to catch up. Sorry, Sorry, I'm a
little behind here, super Chad. Thank you, Jean Walker. I

(37:17):
appreciate it. Nice to see you. Thank you for supporting
the stream. I appreciate it. Does anybody else get this
line of thinking?

Speaker 9 (37:29):
My guess is he just didn't have the integrity to
come clean because it was embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
And what evidence do you have that he's embarrassed?

Speaker 9 (37:41):
That's so, then you have that continued effort to try
to put his thumb on the scale for Karen at
that point, and we also know.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
His thumb was on the scale for Karen all the
way through at least the first trial and beyond until
he left the office. They wouldn't even say that. I
know they can't say, but that not even through an
intermediary like they eventually did that the FED investigation was closed.
He helped her as much as he could, and David Yannetti.

(38:12):
So that's just a little their take, And I think
there's just if we want to get ahead of things
and not have Karen Reid always be one step ahead
and turtle Boy always be one step ahead, we have
to think one step ahead and go and Marshall. Marshall

(38:33):
resources to thinking about the civil trial and not get
into a fantasy world where the Feds are coming a
little bit like free Karen Reid to fix everything. When
one low level woman goes down, it's kind of sad
to me. She could have gotten duped by the innocence

(38:58):
fraud campaign. Four year old social worker, and what I've
heard is she's lost her job for what for being
a tiny little player in this while the real big
players just keep bringing in their blood money. So let's
get smart and strategic and not emotional and not into

(39:22):
fantasy world. I know this isn't fun. I know this
isn't a fun place to be. Reality is not a
fun place to be. But let's let's talk about someone
who really needs to get their evidence in order. Carrie Roberts,
it's from innocence fraud. Watch here, Carrie Roberts vehicle was captured.

(39:47):
So this is about a phone call that the killer.
She seemingly forgot that the Karen Reid made to Peggy o'keith.
Around six thirty Carrie roberts vehicle was captured, and I
played this last time where you can see Karen Reid
opening and shutting the door. Around six thirty seven forty four,

(40:09):
Karen carry roberts vehicle was captured by Sergeant Goods dash Camp,
driving away from Karen Reid's thirty four Fairview Road crime
scene and reaching the junction to Cedarcrest at around six
thirty seven forty four am. At six thirty seven forty
nine am, just five seconds later, Karen Reid called John

(40:31):
O'Keeffe's mother, Missus Margaret O'Keefe. A cellbrite extraction report shows
Karen Reid's call to Missus O'Keeffe was answered and lasted
two minutes. So here we go. You can see it there.
Carrie Roberts told the first jury in twenty twenty four

(40:52):
of Karen Reid. As we were leaving, she was saying
to me, if anything happens to John, I'm gonna kill myself.
You need to take care of those kids. So is
it a part? But what did Karen Reid say to
Missus O'Keefe during those two minutes? Prosecutor Adam Lalley did
ask Carrie Roberts, was there anything else about the that

(41:14):
the defendant spoke to or talked to while you were
in the car. But Carrie Roberts only refer to Janet Reed,
Karen's mother. She said she only called her mother. What
did Carrie Roberts hear car Karen Reid say to missus
O'Keeffe for two minutes or was she talking to mister
O'Keefe just before Carrie Roberts pulled away from thirty four?

(41:37):
For every road Karen Reid was acting out by repeatedly
opening and shutting Carrie's car door, does Carrie Roberts remember this?
I've played this so many times, but you get the idea.
She opens and shuts the door like a maniac. So

(41:59):
here she is on this crucial evidence.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
Drink problems over night people people are dumping their outdated mosquitos.
Appers for this forty dollars invention. It was developed to
kill all mosquitos in a one hundred.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Take you back to when you were in front of
the house and mister Keith is.

Speaker 13 (42:23):
In the back of the ambulance, and at some point
in time that ambulance leaves exact right, And do you
know where the ambulance was going?

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Good Samaritan Hospital.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
And following that, you mentioned that mister Cave went inside.

Speaker 13 (42:39):
The house, correct, Yes, And you recall what it was
that caused her to go inside the house.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
No, I'll love that, not what anyone said. I think
she was going away her sister.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
And after.

Speaker 13 (42:57):
That, was there anybody else that's beyond sort of fonders
or police officers think.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
That any other sorts of million people show up? How
don't you.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Recall Matt showed up at some point, Matt Jen's husband, Matt.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
And that was before you left. Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (43:13):
And just be clear you would We'll get to this
more in a moment. But you had left from the
house once, come back and then left again. Yes, And
when her husband, Matt McKay showed up, which of those
times was that of you?

Speaker 4 (43:29):
I think it was.

Speaker 14 (43:30):
He was there when I left the first time, And
did you have any conversation with him? I just said,
he said, do you want I said, I'm going to
get the o'keefes. He said, do you want me to
come with you? And I said no, no, no, So
he went in the house.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
And when you left, who if anyone initially when you left,
who if anyone left with?

Speaker 4 (43:52):
I left with Karen Read?

Speaker 1 (43:54):
And as you're leaving your car you're driving? Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (43:58):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Where's miss Read at that?

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Say it again?

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Where was miss Reed in.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Your car at that point in the passenger seat?

Speaker 13 (44:07):
And as you were leaving, what if anything with this
rouvie doing or talking about or what was going on
when you left that person?

Speaker 14 (44:15):
As we were leaving, she was saying to me, if
anything happens to John, I'm going to kill myself.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
You need to take care of these kids.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
And how did you respond?

Speaker 4 (44:24):
She's not going to die. No one's doing anything of
that nature.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
Was that something that she said to John O'Keeffe's mother instead?
Is that something that Carrie Roberts miss remembers. Was Karen
Reid such a brazen killer that she called Peggy O'Keeffe
that morning after she had run over John O'Keefe with
her car going twenty four miles an hour in reverse,

(44:53):
her foot seventy seventy four point five percent down on
the gas pedal, and left him to die alone in
a blizzard. That she called Peggy o'keef and said, if
anything happens to John, I'm gonna kill myself. You have
to take care of those kids. Was that said to

(45:14):
Peggy O'Keefe is the question?

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Or was it said to Carrie Roberts? Is she confused
or something of that nature?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
I said, and as far as you're driving away, jatman
in your facing ads depress, is that right?

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
When you laughter you following in that sort of same directions.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
I took a rite on to Cedar Crest.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
And then where did you go from?

Speaker 14 (45:41):
And then I got to Dedham Street and I went
to take a right, and then Officer good, Officer goold
let me go to pick up the o'keefes to take them.
I had to give him my phone number so that
he could get in touch with me if he needed to.
So he did call and he said do you have.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
Or was that Carrie Roberts using Karen phone to call
Peggy o'keef to say I'm coming to pick you up.

Speaker 14 (46:04):
Miss read with you and I said yes, and he said,
please bring her back. Her parents have called in.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
A suicide.

Speaker 14 (46:11):
They they said she's she's saying she's suicidal, so they
wanted to be sectioned.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
And so coming back to that in a moment, but.

Speaker 13 (46:20):
Before you had left the scene, you hadn't talked twenty
police officers or anything at that.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Time, correctly, no other than my name and phone number.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
But no, you gave them your information and then said
I have to opick up you.

Speaker 13 (46:33):
Yes, so you get that call from Officer Goods and
then you come back to the house, is that right?

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (46:40):
And during any of that time.

Speaker 13 (46:43):
You were called the defendants. I know you had mentioned
she spoke to Aerond. Was there anybody else that the
defendants spoke to or talked to?

Speaker 4 (46:50):
While while you were with her in the car, she
spoke to her mother.

Speaker 14 (46:55):
And then I ended up taking the phone and speaking
to her mother, and I gave her my phone number
and I said, I'm going to go to the hospital.
She said, please make sure she does not have her purse.
She has medication in her purse. I don't want her
to take.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
And then when you arrived back at the scene. What happened?

Speaker 4 (47:15):
She just got out of the car and walked to
the ambulance.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
And who, if anyone did she walked in by she
you mean the defendant.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
I'm sorry, yes, And.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
If anyone did the defendant walk from your car in
the ambulance, she just walked.

Speaker 14 (47:29):
I think she just walked by herself. I had her
phone because I had been talking to her mother. So
then one of the first responders came over and said,
do you have her phone?

Speaker 4 (47:37):
And I said yes. Her mother said make sure she
does not have her purse.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
And then following that conversation with one of the first responders,
where did you go from?

Speaker 4 (47:47):
I went to go pick up the o'keefes.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
And as far as you're drive from Canton, you went
to where do the pie lived?

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Braintree?

Speaker 13 (47:56):
So you're drive from Canton to Braintree and then subsequently
from Braintree to Brockdon, What if anything do you observe
about sort of the driving conditions at that.

Speaker 14 (48:07):
I was actually on the phone with Katie Camerono when
I spun out, did a complete spun a couple times
on ninety three right near the Braintree exit, so that
when I got to the o'keefes that we went back
roads to Brockton because I didn't want to go on
the highway.

Speaker 13 (48:22):
And as far as the O'Keefe, as far as in
your car from Braintree to broad and that was both
John's mother and father.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
And at some point you get to the good Smaritan
Hospital in Brockton, correct.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Correct, And.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
What a nightmare, What a nightmare in those conditions, she
must be so traumatized, Carrie Roberts. I mean, all the
more reason to really try to cement your testimony was
that you got there. And if you think Karen read
civil lawyers are going to be any easier on you
than Alan Jackson was second trial, don't bet on it.

(49:01):
Alan Jackson is going to be They're gonna be pulling
out all the discrepancies. Did he say, Carrie carry Carrie,
John's dead or John's dead Carrie Carey or I mean
they're going to find all the little nonomalies in your
and and blow them up and call you a liar.
Get ready for it. Prepare, be smart, be strategic, be cool,

(49:24):
calm and collect it. This is war.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
When you when you were on where is it that
you and your kis sort of go within the hospice.

Speaker 14 (49:37):
Paul had John's brother, Paul had already arrived, and then
we all walked in. We were in the waiting area.
John's cousin actually works on the switchboard. We had been
talking to her on the way in because with COVID
restrictions we didn't know if we were going to be
able to get in or so. She had come out
from the switchboard her office because she knew there had

(50:00):
been an accident, so she came out to greet her family.
And then I asked her to take me to the
bathroom to clean.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Up and to the chapel. And why was it had
to go clean up, Sadian? Because I had blood on
my hands.

Speaker 13 (50:22):
Now, Miss Robert, you mentioned that during hard the drives
from Canada range where you spoke in his camerano.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
Correctly, Yes, So this is another thing we haven't heard about.
We haven't heard from Carrie Roberts. What it was like
to try to give CPR on John's corpse. I mean,
his body was stiff, Your blood on your hands.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
What was that like?

Speaker 5 (50:53):
I mean, Karen Reid put traumatized these women just to
she could have an audience so she could have other
suspects to bring in, get them to call nine to
one one, get to put the point the finger at them.
Mix it all up, mix in their characters, and we
all have faults. And boy has Turtle Boy and Free

(51:17):
Karen Reid really been able to exaggerate and pick out
Carrie Roberts and Jen McCabe's faults. Who would like to
be on a witness stand talking about one of the
most traumatic events of your life with Alan Jackson screaming
at you and calling you a liar, Who wouldn't get
a little defensive. But it's not a good look, as

(51:39):
I said before, to come out and say, well, I'm
not gonna I'm gonna tell everybody, don't be a witness
and a case. Just don't testify, don't snitch. They won't
protect you because I've been harassed. I mean, it sounds
downright un American and like yet and like you've given
up being a good person, which I know you have,
and I know it's out of frustration, right just being

(52:02):
like I'm not going to do the right thing anymore,
I'm going to do the wrong thing. It sounds childish.

Speaker 13 (52:09):
And during either that drive or the subsequent drive from
Braintreet to Brockton with anyone else did you speak?

Speaker 14 (52:16):
Karen called me repeatedly from the ambulance, asking if I
was going to come to the hospital.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Then she called when the o'keefs were in the car.

Speaker 14 (52:25):
And said she dropped him off at a party and
missus O'Keeffe said, you just left him, and mister O'Keefe said,
leave her alone.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
She's been through enough. She called a few times while
we were on the ride, and then she.

Speaker 14 (52:39):
Called a lot when we were at the hospital, asking
if I knew anything, if he was dead?

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Is he dead? She would hang up and then call back,
hang up, and then call.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Back and if you know about how many times were
that I.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
At least ten, and.

Speaker 13 (52:57):
That same sort of phraseology that she was using on
CNA as far as the dead. Yes, Now, once you
arrived at the hospital and you.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Were able to clean up a little bit, where did
you go from there? What happened?

Speaker 4 (53:15):
I went to the chapel and I said a prayer,
and then.

Speaker 14 (53:19):
I went in and talked to John's cousin, and she
said that doctor Rice was going to ask to meet
with the family and that they would be told how
John was doing and that they would bring John John's
family back to see John. So when I came out,
they were being called in by doctor Rice, and I
sat in the waiting area.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
And so after some seriod time was sitting in the
waiting area.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
What what happened?

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Missus o'kaife came out and told me John was gone.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
But see, this is really unclear, and this first trial
seemed like we didn't know whether it was clinging to life.
But the second trial, Brennan really came out and said, no,
he was dead. He was dead when they got there,
he was dead. Carry already knew he was dead. Jim
McCabe already knew he was dead. I get that you

(54:12):
go into denial and it's different when you hear it,
but this might be a good time to articulate that
feeling i'd been in denial upt into then I knew
he was dead, but I couldn't face it until I
really heard bring the bring the jury along with you

(54:35):
as to how you were feeling at the time, and
make it real for them.

Speaker 14 (54:40):
And then she asked if I wanted to see him.
So I did because I figured it would be better
than when I last saw him.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Maybe he was cleaned up or but it was not.
It was worse.

Speaker 9 (54:54):
So that is that.

Speaker 14 (55:00):
Let me just.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
So this is the time. I'm just really like a
message to all the witnesses in this case, and specifically
Carrie Roberts. I don't mean to pick on her the most,
but you know she has the most anomalies in her

(55:23):
in her testimony. Like I have said before, when it
when it comes to Carrie Roberts, I'll get to you, Wesley,
hold on one second, when it comes to Carrie Roberts testimony,
you know, oh, the weakest link. Go, yeah, you're the

(55:48):
weakest link. I think she's the most traumatized. Uh, get
your evidence in order, because the most important thing is
the civil case unless you want to see Karen Reid
walk away from the civil case totally unscathed and even

(56:08):
more powerful, having won two decisions, not just one criminal trial. Yeah,
Roberta was always their mo to divide and conquer. And
on this side too, same thing, same thing. There's you know,
there is an effort put out to say, don't listen

(56:29):
to my channel, don't listen to this channel, don't listen
to that channel. While they all said, you know, everything
is going great. Hank Brennan is brilliant, He's a genius.
He's gonna win everything. Karen Reid is gonna walk away
in handcuffs. I was the only one saying I'm not
so sure. I don't think so. I know the power
of these innocent fraud campaigns. And while everyone say, don't

(56:57):
listen to Roberta. She doesn't know what she's talking about. Okay,
I think we all know how it ended, all right,
some questions for Carrie Roberts. Carrie Roberts call, Okay, I
already handle that. Karen Reid ended her twenty eight second
call to Carry Roberts at the same time Catherine Camerano

(57:20):
was calling her. Katherine Camerano called Karen Reid. That call
lasted two minutes and five seconds were about five thirty
eight in the morning, and then Karen Roberts called Karen Reid.
That call was missed because Karen Reid was talking to
Catherine Camerano. Karen Reid then called Carrie Roberts back at
five O eightos six. This call lasted eight minutes and

(57:43):
six seconds. At five sixteen and fourteen seconds, Karen Reid
ended her eight minute and eight second call to Carry Roberts.
Then Carrie Roberts called John o'kesphone at five sixteen fifty four.
At five nineteen fifty seven, there's some good, good ideas
for Carry Roberts to get look at the time calls.

(58:05):
Get this time log in order. Carrie Roberts called Kurt Roberts.
Carry Roberts husband, excuse me, called John O'Keefe's phone at
five nineteen fifty seven. And at five twenty forty one,
Karen Roberts called Karen Reid and that lasted thirteen seconds.

(58:27):
It's not known if Carrie actually spoke to Karen. At
five twenty two eleven am, Karen Reid called Carry Roberts.
That call lasted forty one seconds five twenty two fifty two,
the call ends. Carry Roberts called Karen Reid back at
five twenty three forty seven. This was this call was missed.

(58:52):
Then she calls her back at five thirty three forty
So she's constantly, you know, calling and calling her back
missing calls. Carrie Roberts said, called Karen Reid. This call
lasted fifty seconds. It's not known what was said during
this call. So there's a lot of calls in here.
I won't go through all of it. It's tedious. But

(59:12):
when Karen Reid called you back a second time at
five eight six, just eight seconds after the above image
was captured by John O'Keefe's ring camera at five oh
seven fifty eight, did you hear her SUV's audible beeping
cues so it has this high pitched wine. Maybe i'll

(59:33):
play it in a hold on one second. I'll play
it for you because it's it's really, it's really. You
can't miss it the way Karen reads when you reverse.

(59:55):
Hold on second, let's go back. Well, what did I
just do?

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Oh boy, how's everybody doing? Are you all hanging in there?
Are you also with me? Did I lose everyone? With
this very real, getting real live stream? I know it
would be a lot more fun if I said the
Feds are coming. Everything's going to be just and right

(01:00:33):
and good in the world. Wait wait, wait, wait wait wait.
So this is the sound of Karen Reid's It's like
an alarm sound backing up when you're about to hit something. Okay,

(01:01:06):
this gives you an idea. The woman was friends with
a Uh. Okay, when Karen Reid, did you hear those
when you were backing up when she was backing up,
did you hear it over the phone when Karen Reid
was about to love tap John O'Keefe's car, did you

(01:01:27):
hear that when you were talking to her. If this
image was captured by John o'keef's ring camera at five
oh seven fifty eight, then Karen read love tap John's
park car at some time after five oh eight. So
when you were talking to her at five o eight
oh six, was it too late? Did you miss the

(01:01:48):
ringing or did you hear it? And did Karen Reid
mention anything to you at the beginning of her five
o eight oh six call about having just love tapped
John O'Keeffe's park Chevy Reverse, She just say, oh darn,
I just hit into him. My tail light is smashed

(01:02:13):
to smithereens from just hitting John o'keeff carr. We know
it couldn't cause that kind of damage. But did she mention,
have any mention of all of making her own evidence
when exactly during the five eight six call, did Carrie
Karen Reid tell you she and John O'Keefe had been
at the waterfall and they were out having drinks when

(01:02:34):
she left. What exactly did Karen Reid tell you about
the Waterfall bar and where she left from, and what
did you admit from your crucial trial testimony in twenty
twenty four. In twenty twenty five, when you spoke to
Sergeant Good at the Canton Police Department, you said, among
other things, they were at the waterfall. She probably think

(01:02:54):
she thinks he probably got a ride and passed out
at someone else's house. They were having drinks then she left,
so she's like, I feel something happened. Was that you
thinking that he passed out, because that's a more normal reaction,
that he passed out on someone's couch or he left

(01:03:17):
with someone else. But why does she feel like something
happened because he normally comes home? Was this your thoughts
that you were sharing with Sergeant Good? When during your
eight minute and eight second call with Karen Reid did
she tell you she thinks he probably got a ride
home and passed out at someone's house. And when did
Karen retell you she had left John O'Keefe at the

(01:03:38):
waterfall after they had argued, the same as what she
had previously told Jennifer McCabe. At what time exactly did
you call the Canton Police non emergency line. As you know,
your phones were cloned by Massachusetts State Police on the
same day as witnessed Jennifer McCabe's phone was on Juary second,

(01:04:00):
twenty and twenty two. Have you requested and obtained copies?
Good idea, get some copies of your cell phone data
from January twenty ninth to twenty and twenty two. If not,
why not? Why does your phone data show? What is
your phone data show about the details of this call?
And what number did you call? What time did you

(01:04:23):
make this call? How long did your call last to
the emergency the Canton Police non emergency line. Excuse me?
You testified in twenty and twenty four of John O'Keefe's
iPhone that my husband called him, and I think I
called him. I was that was when I was in

(01:04:44):
the house. Karen actually said, can you try and call him?
You also testified that you got dressed, went downstairs and
headed outside to clean the snow off your car around
How long do you think it took to clean your car?
And do you think your call to the Canton Police
non emergency line could have been made nearer to around

(01:05:05):
five thirty am when exactly during the eight minute and
eight second five O eight oh six call with Karen Reid,
did you tell her I said I would call Canton police,
or did you tell Karen Reid I would call Canton
police during your five twenty forty one call, if Karen

(01:05:25):
answered this call or your a five twenty two eleven
am call? When did when did not?

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
When?

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
Did you? Did you not say anything about this during
your testimony? You did not say anything about this during
your testimony in twenty or twenty five? And during which
call did you inform Karen Reid you had called Canton
Police and the hospitals? For example, did you tell her
that during your five twenty forty one call Again, if

(01:05:53):
Karen Reid actually answered or you're a five twenty two
eleven am call or your five thirty three p forty call,
or did you say anything to Karen or about your
calls regarding John o'keef to Sergeant Good in the hospitals?
Did you tell John o'keef might have gotten hit by
a plow? Did Karen Read really tell you that that

(01:06:15):
he might have gotten hit by a plow at the
beginning of her five eight oh six call to you
or did she say these words several minutes into her call,
or towards the end of her call, maybe when she
was out looking at plows plowing the roads, did she
get the idea maybe he got hit by a plow
and said it spontaneously. Did Karen read even tell you

(01:06:36):
why she was not supposed to stay in camp last night?
And did you ever ask her what she meant by this?
And did Karen Reid ever say to you anything about Richie,
her plumber, who was alleged allegedly due to return to
fix her hot water issue. I think we need I

(01:06:59):
think this is a good time to remind everybody about
the Ritchie the Plumber tail, don't you.

Speaker 15 (01:07:08):
Everyone is waiting for me to arrive at the bar
at home in Mansfield. I'm making up a new cold star.
His name is Ritchie the Plumber. No hot water, it's

(01:07:31):
a bummer. It's all a figment of my imagination.

Speaker 8 (01:07:37):
Call it a lie. I'm fain right full indignant.

Speaker 16 (01:07:42):
Call the plumber.

Speaker 15 (01:07:43):
I got a rusty pipe, hot faughter is not working.
I'll start in a fight. Sure is a lie, but
it's a little one. Gotta get my boyfriend under my thone.
John says he and his papa, who would have fixed

(01:08:05):
it if only in this broken pipe.

Speaker 8 (01:08:09):
In real life existed.

Speaker 15 (01:08:12):
Causing pain and suffering is what I do best hood
in my boyfriend's patience through test after test, whichie, my
imaginary plumber is that homedeed both hoping that story will.

Speaker 17 (01:08:27):
Get a rise out of my boyfriend and his a
little beadle. I'll arrive at the bush all and up late,
make him angry right out of the gate he saw
I feeling a lovely dubby. I'm done right, twisting's coming.
I'll tell lady drinks and aron him over after it

(01:08:50):
gets late, scream and.

Speaker 8 (01:08:51):
Cries you John who I hate. Leave him to die
in a blizzard in fit d payin Wiz, get Jim
to call nine one one had the whole town, point
and fingers when it's over and.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
And see services. Take a listen.

Speaker 18 (01:09:26):
Hi, my name is Harry. I'm calling because my friends
boyfriend did not come home last night. They were at waterfalls,
and now she is calling me hysterical because she doesn't
know where he is. You didn't pick anybody up by
the name of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
John o'keith, did you, John O'Keefe.

Speaker 18 (01:09:46):
Yeah, he's a buff.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
So this is a big problem too. Carrie Roberts continually
keep saying that Karen Rei didn't know where John O'Keefe was.
She clearly knew where he was. She was collecting witness
and other characters she could mix in the story so
she could point to Otherwise, it's just Karen Reid there,

(01:10:08):
Karen Reid who dropped him off. Last, Karen Reid who
calls nine to one one. Now she gets Jennifer McCabe. First,
she wanted Katherine Camerano, but Katherine Camerano was working to
be her victim, really her mark. But she picked you
and Jen McCabe as her marks, and you were going

(01:10:31):
to watch her be led back to her crime scene
so she could discover John O'Keeffe. I mean, don't you
find it odd that she didn't look for John O'Keeffe
anywhere in the house before she knew he was missing.
So I mean that language has to change. She took
me on a route, she perpetuated her hopes of looking

(01:10:55):
for it. She got me in Jen, and she perpetuated
her hopes and had us look for him when she
knew right where he was and led us to her
crime scene.

Speaker 18 (01:11:06):
And cops and it would be on foot. But no,
he probably got a ride and passed out at someone's house.
I don't know, but yep.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
No, we didn't walk anybody up or anything like that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
And where does he live?

Speaker 18 (01:11:22):
He lived on meadow there at the Pleasant.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
He lives on meadow off the Pleasant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:11:28):
And when is the white home?

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
He said, his girlfriend.

Speaker 18 (01:11:33):
It's his girlfriend.

Speaker 16 (01:11:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:11:34):
They were out having drinks and then she laughed and
expected him to come home at some point and he
never did yep. And so I said to her, and
you know, my husband had been out with him earlier
in the night. But then he obviously he came home.
And she he had custody with meeth and nephewcause their
parents passed away. Okay, And so she's home with me

(01:11:54):
and nephew and they're old enough to be home. It's
just she's nervously. He never even called the Niefe. Yeah,
So she's like, I feel like something happened, and I said, okay, Well,
so he called the area hospital. Nobody happened. I pertally
think he probably some one probably picked him up in
a casta.

Speaker 9 (01:12:10):
I don't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yeah, where did he did he he didn't drive last night. No, no, okay,
well I mean yeah, I mean well again, it's more
it would be driven by you. She would have to
you know, call in come the station and talk to us.
But I mean, as of right now, it's more. You know,

(01:12:33):
he just didn't come home last night.

Speaker 18 (01:12:35):
Is this is this common?

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Sometimes?

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
Got no?

Speaker 18 (01:12:39):
No, no, no, that's why. That's because she did he didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
You notice that Karen Reid didn't actually do anything that
actually helped John o'keith that morning. She didn't call nine
one one, She didn't call the hospitals. Why do you
think she she didn't do that because she knew right
where he was. She knew he was sitting there. She didn't.
She's not the one calling the non emergency line in
the hospitals looking for him. She knows right where he is.

(01:13:05):
She's doing things that will help her. People that actually
didn't know things know that they were all being taken
for a ride by Karen Reid were doing things to
actually help John and find John. But Karen Reid knew
right where she left him. She knew he was dead.

(01:13:26):
For anyone else, strangely, she knew something terrible had happened.
And she led people back to her crime scene. But
it doesn't help when Karrie Roberts says things like, well,
she was hysterical because she didn't know how where he was. No,
she was acting hysterical. I mean, have you seen Karen

(01:13:48):
Reid running around the crime scene. That is not how
someone runs around when they're in shock. Oh, Like, it's
almost like a child, like a four year old woo
carriage and jin just getting everyone in a fierce state

(01:14:08):
and getting them all riled up and bringing attention to herself.
Not John, when you really want to help, you keep
yourself as calm, cool and collected as possible. But it
was really important that for Karen ree did everybody know
how upset she was wink wink, not not, and how

(01:14:30):
in shock she was and possibly crazy because she could
get herself sectioned and then she wouldn't have to talk
to the police. Daddy Red made sure of that that
she got sectioned so she didn't have to talk to
the police. She didn't have to answer any questions before
she got her plan fully in gear to protect herself.

Speaker 18 (01:14:45):
Call is me. That's kind of why she's more freaking out.
So I think I called the area hospitals. I god
to recall Chance and police just to make sure he
didn't get picked up. But like I said, he's about
the police off. I know, a bunch of people. Anybody
could have picked them out.

Speaker 8 (01:15:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 18 (01:15:04):
Apparently they were having a.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Yeah no, no, no, she doesn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
That's Carrie Roberts's own spin on it. They were just
having a small get together. I mean the way when
you first the story came out, it really sounded like
they were having some raucous police party. It was just
a little quiet get after after the bars, close get together,
and boy that was exploited by Aiden Carney and Karen

(01:15:34):
Reid that there was some kind of wild, drunk drinking
party where nobody was thinking their right head blizzard party.
This all helped push Karen Reid's innocent fraud tail forwards totally.

Speaker 14 (01:15:47):
I wasn't there.

Speaker 18 (01:15:47):
I was stuck here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
But we haven't didn't get any calls anything like that.
Nobody was arrested or anything like that, you know. Alrighty,
all right, well thank you, no problem.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
Okay, So there's that. So when you told Karen Reid,
this is back to Carrie. Some questions for Carrie Roberts
when you told Karen Reid during your five o eight
call that you needed to go home and be with Calle,
she's there by herself. But then you all left Kelly

(01:16:20):
home at around five point fifty two am. So when
they went back to John O'Keefe's house, This is something
I've asked since the beginning. Why did Jen McCabe stay
with Calle or Carrie Roberts stay with Kelly? Why did
they have to both go to thirty four Fairview to
Karen Reid's crime scene. Why did were they both lord

(01:16:42):
there and Calle left alone? When you know that she's
a traumatized child already, She's already lost her mother and
her father, mother from cancer, her father from a heart attack.
Why didn't, I mean, months later, you know that she's
going to have a big reaction to a kind of

(01:17:05):
to the death of her beloved uncle and caretaker who
she relies on for almost everything. Why didn't one of
you stay with Kelly? And why did Karen Reied need
two people to go with her to pretend to search
for John O'Keefe. Did any of you call or text
to check on Kelly after you had left Meadows Avenue

(01:17:27):
at five so John's house meadows at around five point
fifty two, Karen Reid seemingly called Kelly's number at six
forty four twenty nine am for eighteen seconds and at
six fifty six nineteen for forty five seconds. Did any
of those calls connect? Did Karen Reid say anything to

(01:17:48):
Kelly in those calls? During your April twenty third, two
thousand and twenty five interview with Matt Gutman, he falsely
says that you were the first Pearson Karen Reid call
at five oh a and am the morning of the blizzard,
trying to find John. How do you feel about Matt Goodman?

(01:18:09):
Lies and knowing. In reality, Karen Reid had first called
Michael Camerano at four forty six forty one, and then
Karen Reid had also called Michael Camerano three more times
after that after her initial call to him, before she
called Michael's wife, Catherine Camerano at four forty nine twenty four,

(01:18:33):
followed by a call to Jen McCabe at four point
fifty three am. How do you feel about Matt Goodman?
Falsely stating Karen Reid was trying to find John when
she knew where John was all along. Are you still
in denial over this? And are you aware of your
psychological projections? During the following media interview, I know no

(01:18:59):
share it, but I will. In a second guy moving through.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Carrying leaning between us and she was.

Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
I hit my boyfriend with my car.

Speaker 16 (01:19:25):
It wasn't an accident, but with Lyon lawyers, I'll go far,
Lion lawyers and witness harassment.

Speaker 15 (01:19:38):
All avoid prison.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
It was snowing.

Speaker 8 (01:19:44):
I pushed the.

Speaker 16 (01:19:45):
Bedle now hid him hard.

Speaker 8 (01:19:50):
Now the legal system my clown.

Speaker 16 (01:20:01):
Incense frock campaign to save my skin.

Speaker 15 (01:20:08):
Making money? True things my second victim carry carry.

Speaker 16 (01:20:15):
Genten like John or Mama. My innocence for a campaign
is my biggest kide.

Speaker 15 (01:20:50):
I hit my boyfriend with my coat.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
It wasn't a s.

Speaker 16 (01:21:05):
Both flying lawyers, I'll go for Lion lawyers and witness harassment.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
I'll avoid prison.

Speaker 5 (01:21:17):
It was snowing.

Speaker 8 (01:21:19):
I pushed the pedal down, hit him hard. Now the
legal system.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
Of my clown.

Speaker 16 (01:21:29):
In a sense frog campaign save my skin.

Speaker 15 (01:21:36):
Making money?

Speaker 8 (01:21:38):
Truth is my second victim.

Speaker 16 (01:21:42):
Carry carrying ginger like John. Your word, Mamo, But innocence
for a campaign is not it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Is it

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