Gwyneth Paltrow Interviews Amanda Knox!

The convicted slanderer and formerly convicted murderer of Meredith Kercher sits down with the Queen of Goop. The results are cringe inducing to say the least.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
A shocking verdict for Amanda Knox.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Amanda's very upset. You're very surprised of the outcome of
the decision.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Now reconvicted of slander for accusing an innocent man in
her roommate's murder in Italy. In two thousand and seven, Knox,
who was twenty years old at the time, was arrested
along with her then boyfriend for the death of Meredith Kircher.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
You are listening to the ROBERTA. Glass True Crime report
putting the true back in true crime from New York City.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
ROBERTA.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Glass is now on the record.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Okay, so I started, how was everybody? How is everybody high?
Blue River?

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Maestro? Hello god Elle eight? I don't know three point
zero kiddies nineteen ninety three? Hello, how are you ein't
no holla back girl? So I started opening the opening
on amandak ox conviction, which still stands for her slander.

(01:37):
I'm an innocent black man, her boss who was very
nice to her, Patrick Lamumba. She accused him of the
murder she was eventually convicted of, and then the Supreme
Court illegally throughout all the DNA evidence. Again, stir, that's

(01:57):
really not their job to do is supposed to evaluate
the convictions, but they threw out all the DNA against
her and Raf and said it was unreliable, and that
all the evidence against Rudy Goude somehow is reliable, same investigators,
same lab but against the black men, it's totally reliable.

(02:21):
Against the white people not so it should be suspicious
and should be thrown out. But it also determined Supreme
Court her great exoneration amand an Ox, that this was
as every court that's ever looked at all the evidence
in this case. We're talking about the murder of Meredith

(02:41):
Kercher that happened in Perugia, Italy in two thousand and seven.
Every court that has looked at all the evidence in
this case says that this is a crime done by
multiple people, not one man alone. And now that Rudy
has reoffended, this is really Amanda Knox is really going

(03:05):
off on really pushing this idea that Rudy did it alone.
But every court that's looked at this has said this
is a group crime. So it's kind of hard to
imagine these group crimes. It's much easier to imagine one
person with more motivation and how these group crimes. Actually,

(03:29):
the actual mechanics of it, how it happens, it's hard
to imagine. And I think that's benefits Amanda Knox certainly,
and strangely, Rudy has reoffended. He's preyed on a woman,
that's what he's being alleged ship done. But strangely she's
she lived, she lived, So people who you know taut
Amandaox's innocence is like, well, like, what did you hear

(03:54):
Rudy reoffended? Like it's in a great own and I've
always said he was involved in this. There's three people
who were convicted of this. I believe they got it
right a Manda Knox, Raffaelle select Youto and Rudy Goude
and Amanda Knox. When her boyfriend Rafaelli Selectio pulled her alibi,

(04:18):
she immediately went to this story that her boss, who
was very kind to her, Patrick Lamumba, did it and
it was untrue. She let him. She never recanted. She
let him sit in jail until he got out on

(04:38):
his own alibi. But she never recanted, never came to
them and said I got it wrong. I hear the
Hulu doc makes it look like she did that. That
never happened. So now Amanda Knox is producing her own
propaganda films with along with Monica Lewinsky and Gwyneth Paltrow

(04:59):
has interviewed her and she is the perfect kind of
interviewer for Amanda Knox because she completely believes every word
out of her mouth. She has a history of being
aligned to her family being aligned with her this movement,
and let me tell you how I'm talking about the
wrongful conviction movement. So her brother's wife is Taren Simon.

(05:26):
She's a photographer, but she is also a this is
the Innocence Project website. She's also an Innocence ambassador and
has one an award from the Innocence Project for her
work pouting out this ideology and this idea that there's

(05:47):
so many wrongful convictions and supporting of the work, which
I consider, as I've said before and again, the biggest
broad in America going. I've looked at one innocence case
after the next, and one is more ridiculously guilty person

(06:08):
that they're trying to get out than the next. But
it makes lawyers very rich. Go to my interview on
innocence fraud on how it's making lawyers very rich and
the movement is very wealthy. So that so Gwyneth Paltrow

(06:28):
comes by this very naturally. Amandonnox is never going to
do an interview with anyone who thinks she's guilty, never
really go over the evidence. And you'll see in this
interview when Kwitneth Paltrow asked the question like, well, there
must they must have thought that they had to try
you with some evidence, and they couldn't really try you

(06:48):
with a hunch, like why were you put in jail? What?
What evidence did they have? And Amanda Knox immediately gets
very vague. So she's not going to talk about the
double DNA knife with her DNA on the handle of
the knife and Meredith Kircher's on the blade. She's not

(07:09):
going to talk about the mixed the multiple places of
mixed blood of Amanda and Meredith Kercher all over the
villa that they lived in, except the scene of the
room and the scene of the crime, which is the

(07:30):
room that was done a lot of cleaning. So the
it's most significant that the mixed blood. So it's DNA
that lit up under illuminol very brightly, very intensely. Now,
Amanda Ox supporters will say, oh, she rubbed root vegetables

(07:53):
on her feet and that's why it was. And it
just mixed with the Meredith Kircher's DNA or that they
both lived there, but there was no mixed DNA of
any other roommate. She had two other roommates, Filhemina and
Laura that lit up in this kind of intense way,
very intense way that it does when it's mixed blood.

(08:16):
So it's in the bathroom, the hallway, and the room
of this stage break in. We know a Mandonnox had
staged a break in before as a prank, so this
is like the let me see, Yeah, that's a little
bit better. So so it looks like they're sitting in

(08:37):
like some kind of I don't know if this is
a set or if this is like a home or
a hotel room or what, but they're sitting very far
apart from each other. Amandon Knox is dressed in all white,
clearly trying to put out the idea that she's very
innocent and pure, this white strapless dress, and there's Gwyneth's

(08:58):
sitting with not a hair out of place. And you know,
there will be a time when I can say more
about this interview, but now is not the time. I
have a lot to say that. Really, it's really hard
when you come out and do these shows when you
know it's for personal reasons, you can't say certain thanks.

(09:20):
So I am going to hold my tongue and let's
get into the Amanda Knox this is new. This is
in the last couple of days interview with Gwyneth Paltrow,
the Queen of Goop, who's like I would call her
the Queen of Doupe. For this interview, she's she's she
is just buying it all and selling it all hook

(09:42):
Line and Sinker and Monica Lewinsky. You know, Amandonox tends
to attach herself to these people and say, look, I
was vilified in the same way. Is Monica Lewinsky was
three years old when she had an a fair with
our married President Clinton. She had the same kind of

(10:05):
history of like inappropriate behavior, like showing her underwear to
her thong to Bill Clinton and then saying like, who me,
Like I was just a girl. I didn't know what
I was doing at twenty three. How many women in
my audience at twenty three would show your underwear to
the president of the United States. It's a little odd.

(10:27):
It shows like extreme confidence now in a kind of
irreverence to the office. But both of them are going
to play victim in the public and they're both getting
rich off of this story, their version of the story.

(10:47):
So take a listen, right.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
It all begins with two young women from different parts
of the world who come together in this beautiful little
town in the green heart of Italy, and only one
of them survives.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Who Monica comes to you and says, I want to
do a drama of your story, And how did you
kind of take ownership of that such that it would
be an empowering and healing narrative, you know, in.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
The and empowering and healing narrative, and empowering and healing narrative.
Healing for Amanda Knox. Meredith Kircher is dead. The Supreme
Court that let her go okay, that let her walk
due to a lot of political pressure, determined that she

(11:37):
was there at the scene of the crime, and washed
Meredith's blood off of her hands. What are we talking
about here? What are we talking about here? It needs
to be healing for Amanda. What kind of healing does
she need to be done? She's been given millions of
dollars for a book. The press never stops interviewing her.

(11:59):
My Google alarm for her name, never stops going off
like she's never out of the public eye for a minute.
Because she wanted to be a writer. So she's very
excited she gets to, you know, kind of sell her
story and cement it as American myth along with the press,
who loves to do this too. What a feeling of power?

(12:22):
So why do people kill other people for a sense
of power and control? What's another incredible way of power
and control to be able to tell the story your way?
All right, I'll let display for a little bit and
stop talking. But it is it is peak insanity. This one.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
The years that have gone by because of such like
this big scandalous story, a lot of people have reached
out to me to say the same thing. We want
to make you know, we want to do your story.
It's crazy and for the longest time I said no
for two reasons. One, none of them were saying we
want you to executive produce a story about yourself. Like

(13:04):
none of them they again, like, you know, they just want,
you know, life rights. They want They're like, please trust
us to tell your story and you know, best of
intentions love, you know, great, fine, But also I'm a
storyteller in my own right, like I'm a creative person.
My voice has value, and maybe I have some vision
to share as well. But more than that.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
But more than that, I want the money that comes
with being an executive producer and having control. That is
what these crimes are about. These killers all have the
same personality. They all want control. This is all about control.
So she wants to control her story and get rich
from it because she has She really has no other talents.

(13:52):
She's tried to say she's not going to do a
true crime podcast that you know, or it's not talk
about it anymore. She's about do something else, go back
to school. She quits that, she quits everything she starts.
It's amazing that she came out with this, but who

(14:13):
would have her own to talk about anything else.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
It was the fact that for a very long time
I felt really uncomfortable with the idea of telling my
story in a dramatized way because it didn't feel like
my story first of all, like it's also the story
about how a girl went to Italy and got murdered.
People have always tried to compare us and sort of

(14:39):
like pit us against each other in this horrific way
when we're both victims.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
You're not a victim of antidox. You did two years
in prison for slander. That's why you deserve no money.
That conviction still stands amazingly. Let me talk about her
sl her conviction for falsely accusing her boss, which so funny.
All these celebrities do all this lip service about race,

(15:08):
and this was like the most racist accusation. She needed
a fill in. So, Rudy Gouda is African. He lived
in Perusia his whole life. They like to call him
like it some kind of wanderer, you know, but he
was known in that town. He was not some kind
of you know, wanderer, what do they call him? Straggler,

(15:31):
loner guy. People knew him. And so she needed a
stand in, an African stand in, a black man to accuse,
and she picked her boss because he's also African. She
thought somehow maybe if they found it, would it would
be if someone saw something, or it would be a

(15:53):
good stand in. But so they do all it was
the most I mean the people that there is a
section of the American public who love this story because
it loves Amanda's version of the story, let's say, because
it absolves the white the white criminals well while still

(16:21):
condemning the black criminal. So it's it's a it's a
popular case of among our racist friends not friends. What
do you call it?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
What are coexisting people? We coexist with.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
The circumstances like and I just didn't like the idea
of telling a story or being a part of somebody
telling a story about again, like two girls go to
Italy and only one of them survives the end, Like
it just felt wrong because I didn't do anything. Meredith
didn't do it, you know, we just went to Italy

(16:55):
and then all of these bad things were done to us,
and so it didn't feel like my story. We're like,
you know what, am I just a victim? Like, No,
I don't like it. I just didn't like it. It
felt voyeuristic and wrong. And it wasn't until I started
myself in my real life taking action, and you know,

(17:16):
the decision to go to reach out to my prosecutor
to talk to him, the decision to go back to
Italy to confront him in person.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Right with camera crews and in a way that I
can edit. You know, there's not going to be any
real discussion of the evidence against her. So, Amanda, was
that you had those witnesses who said that you were
out buying cleaning supplies in the early morning hours, waiting
for the store to open and then running to the

(17:46):
back of the store to get cleaning supplies. Was that
you with the striking blue eyes? Was that you don't
you find it odd that Meredith had female size shaped
bruises on her body? Or what about that size seven
is shoe print in Meredith's blood on her pillow? You
think that that was your shoe print? How did that

(18:07):
get to be there? The whole place smelled like it
was cleaned.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
That was me. That did not have to happen, But
that was me taking the reins back in my own
life and like decisively becoming the protagonist of my own
life again. That was a story for me. And so
when Monica approached me and said, hey, I was like,
you know what I think I am at this point

(18:36):
now because I'm not just sort of a victim of circumstance.
Now I'm making a choice. Now, I'm taking a risk,
and I don't know what's going to happen because at
the moment that she reached out to me, I still
hadn't met him in person yet. I just reached out
to him.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Right, She's taking a risk, Yeah, taking a risk when
she can edit him any ways that she wants us know,
nobody's going to know about it. What kind of risk
is this? And what's fascinating is when she went to
Joe Rogan and did another one of her liathons with
Joe Rogan the audience. I think that it was in

(19:17):
the comment section, like she wants to make friends with
her prosecutor, she wants to understand her prosecutor. They were like,
get the f out, no way, that's what made them
them think she was guilty. It's fascinating. What if you
listen to her long enough. Her story weaves and changes

(19:37):
like the wind from interview.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
To interview and so over the course.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
But it's fascinating to find what you know, sparks people,
raises people's eyebrowser raises the red flags within them.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Of like, creating the show was also me doing the
thing that we depict in this show, which is going
back and meeting him, confronting him.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
You know, there's always an aspect like when when someone
is known for a story like this and it's then
given you this incredible platform and you're doing all this
amazing work from it, Like I just want to acknowledge that,
Like it's difficult, you know, to be asked to traverse
back through this stuff and it's become this, you know,

(20:23):
as I said, like platform for you to do so
much good. But yet still like talking about it.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
What good has Amanda Ox ever done? It's all been
selfishly for herself. What charity work has Amandaox done? Oh
wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait, I have the answer.
She she went out and said that Keith Ranieri strangely,

(20:51):
right when Keith Ranari was going to do this contest
of thirty five thousand dollars offered to people who could
find holes in his bedroom case, right he was going
to release this kind of I don't know what you
call it, like a contest in the American public. Amanda
Knox came forward as a spokesperson for Keith Raneri the

(21:16):
Nexium Gurus. She thinks his conviction was I went to
that trial. Let me tell you it was not a
world for conviction to an one hundred and twenty years
for child. How do I say it? Uh, having pictures

(21:39):
of children shouldn't have trafficking. And she came out and
said so, and strangely that contest and the money vanished
into thin air.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
It's difficult, like I'm just sorry that, you know, at
the same time that I don't know if it's re traumatizing.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
You have to talk about this. Stuff has this thing
where like she raises her eyebrows. She looks kind of
like a little fawn, even though she's in her fifties,
like just an innocent fawn in her crisp blue shirt
with not a stain on it or a certainly got
covered in cat hair, Like I am you know, I

(22:22):
know this must be traumatizing. And Amanda's like, what traumatizing?
I live for this. I live for this. I live
for duping the American public and getting over and once
again I get to tell the story and I get
to be the victim. She said, they're both victims. Meredith
Kercher doesn't have her life. Even if you think Amanda

(22:42):
Knox had nothing to do with this, being rightfully convicted
for two years and let out it is I mean,
maybe you can say maybe been a little stressful thinking
you might do time in prison, but her dad got
her in a million dollars, made a million dollars, got

(23:03):
a PR team before it even got her a lawyer.
Go Gagrity Marriott. And that's why we were propagandized NonStop
in the in America with falsehoods about her case. You know,
just to let you know. I was an Amanda Knox
sympathizer before I thought she was guilty because I had

(23:28):
received one of these letters from the friends of Amanda
when I worked for Oprah. That's what got me into
this case. I couldn't believe that. You know, the prosecutor
was under investigation. He was totally cleared of any wrongdoing.
But you know, there's so many the way they paint

(23:49):
the story, it sounds outrageous, right for how.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
You Yeah, I hear where you're coming from with that,
but like from the very.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I hear where you're coming from, then it might be traumatic.
Had I really not had anything to do with this,
But since I did do this, it's not really dramatic.
I really enjoy getting over on you and the American
public lying about my case. I love it.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Beginning it felt like no one cared what the truth was,
and no one cared what I had to say.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
No one cared what I had to say. You had
a million dollar PR team out there while you were
in jail, and no one cared. Your best friend moved
to Perugia to support you. Your parents took out all
kinds of like I believe loans and stuff is support.

(24:47):
You did interviews even though they weren't married together as
a couple, so they did interviews. Her parents are divorced,
but they did interviews as a couple to support her.
And then when she got out, she's had the two books,
two documentaries, now documentaries it is. It's fraught documentaries, all

(25:09):
not from a position of guilt, all from her point
of view, and no one wanted to hear what she
had to say. She's talking about people like me in
the tiny pushback she gets from people who think she's guilty.
We're a thorn in her side.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Ay, And you know, it's interesting that you're right that
in a very big way, my voice of my story
is being platformed right now. And it's surreal to me
because even after you know, the courts eventually vindicated me

(25:53):
and freed me, it's not like the world was then,
like yay, Amanda. You know it was I very much
felt buried underneath this story that was made up by
other people.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
And that now I give you the story that's made
up by me. It's made up by other people. It
was actually based on the evidence of the case of
Boosh Comics. Thanks so much. I appreciate it on these
appreciate you supporting the channel, says Amanda. Why was your

(26:29):
lamp under Meredith's bed? This is a really important point,
so Amanda, and Knox often says that there is no
evidence of me in the room where the crime happened,
But really the crime scene is I look at it
as the entire villa, certainly Philomina's room, which is the

(26:49):
room of this stage break in, and you have the bathroom,
there's where RAF's footprint was found on the bath mat,
the bathroom hallway, But the room where there's a lot
of cleaning done was the room where the crime happened.

(27:12):
Meredith was moved. She was covered in a blanket, which
also indicates knowing the victim and having a little bit
of remorse, not wanting to look at it, and her
light which was her only light source. Amanda Knox's lamp
was found facing the bed, so on the floor facing

(27:33):
underneath the bed. So what was Amanda Knox looking for
under the bed? So if you felt that Rudy did
this alone, someone had to clean up the scene. There's
only one reason to clean up the scene. It is
because you live there and you want to, you know,
get your evidence out. If you don't live there or

(27:55):
you're not connected, you leave, like Rudy Goodey did well.
Raf and Amanda stayed. This is the prosecution's theory and
cleaned up the scene. Scene was cleaned. There was blood
in the hallway that was cleaned up. Meredith was moved
and her duvet was put over her, so this is

(28:20):
very important.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Her lamp.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
There's her lamp in the middle of the room the
scene of the crime. And then of course the knife
is found at Raff's house, which is the murder weapon,
with having been very heavily cleaned, but not cleaned enough
because Amanda's DNA was on the handle and Meredith's DNA

(28:47):
was found on the blade of that knife, So that
doesn't make any sense that Rudy would go and return
the knife to RAF's apartment. There's a lot of good
evidence and a lot of reasons to think she's guilty
besides her also her own contradicting and changing statements, basically

(29:13):
her own lies.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
And like the messaging that I received was Okay, so
you're not the villain that we made you out to be.
But the thing you really need to do is shut
up and disappear, Like, Okay, you came from nothing, you
blipped on our radar. We're still sort of holding it
against you. Be buried. And I fought so hard for

(29:38):
so long to just to be heard.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah you know, and oh this is again. Her book
is called Waiting to be Heard. So she does have
a point that people, even who in my audience who
think she's innocent, say, why doesn't she go away and
do something else? Enough, But she has no talents and

(30:04):
no other way to make money, so she's just profited
off of her crime over and over and over and
over and over and over again. I mean, this is
from two thousands, the crime from two thousand and seven,
and a lot of the people that spoke out about
it early on have long gone and gone on to

(30:28):
other things. So I feel like it's my duty to
keep reminding the American public of one of the few
out there of the actual facts of this case.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
To be in a position now where I really am
feeling supported and recognized, I do not take that lightly.
I wouldn't be here if it weren't for people going
out of their way to tell me that my voice
does matter. Like arts with my husband, yeah, who's also

(31:03):
executive producer on the show. But like back when he
met me, I was in hiding, like I was not,
Like I didn't go to book readings because I was
afraid I would get recognized, Like I lived for years,
just like not going to public places or.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Okay, find me a year from the time she's been
out to now where she has not been in the press,
you won't find it. Always in the press, always out
and about paparazzi photos this event, making this statement on Twitter,

(31:42):
trolling with really inappropriate, hurtful tweets to the Kurtuer family.
She's this is totally u fictional, made up.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
If I did, I just like kept my head low
and I didn't talk to anybody, and I didn't make
friends because I just didn't feel like I belonged to
humanity anymore. I felt ostracized, I felt exiled, And.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Do you feel like you sort of had embodied this
shame that was given to you that wasn't yours certainly.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, I mean again, Like all of this happened when
I was very young, So that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
So do you think you embodied this shame for doing
this crime? So it's like I was, like when it's
being peauked a little bit, so you But she didn't
do it, So why is she having shame? Why didn't
she feel she could go out? She must have embodied
the shame and Amanda, year, wait, hold on, let's go

(32:45):
back and watch that one more time.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Embodied this shame that was given to you that wasn't
yours certainly.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yeah, I mean again, Like all of this happened when
I was very young, right, and I was I was
processing Trump. I'm on top of trauma, right it all began.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
So she's saying, you know I did So what if
I killed somebody? I did it when I was very young.
My brain wasn't fully born brain overclaims syndrome, just brain. Strangely,
all of us who had unforgned brains went through life
without killing someone and our brain was unformed. But not Amanda.

(33:23):
She's a victim of her brain. So she goes to
her youth, and then she had trauma on top of trauma.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Skins with you know, two young women from different parts
of the world who come together in this beautiful little
town in the green heart of Italy, and only one
of them survives. Boom right, one huge trauma.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I know how old once happened.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I was twenty. I was twenty years old, and then
five days later, I'm still like in shock. I haven't
even gotten past you know, the first stage of grief,
which is like denial and shock. And then I'm thrown
into a prison cell and accused me.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Okay, how did she process her grief? So while others
went to the memorial service, Amanda didn't go. The whole
town was at a memorial service for Meredith except Amanda
and rapped strangely, We're out getting pizza, and then she
went out and bought lingerie and held it up and

(34:25):
said in the lingerie store, I can't wait to go
home and have great sex with you tonight wearing this,
and she's sounds like, you know, maybe something that would
be put out just to slander her, right, Amanda Dox.
But there's pictures of her in the CCTV holding up

(34:48):
the lingerie, according to the prison guard, and when she
was in jail, she never had any never needed any
medication to sleep, never cried, did perfectly okay. Was very
selfish with her stuff that she got with so the

(35:10):
girls would share their food or whatever they had with her,
and she wouldn't share with them. Typical, typical, self centered,
psychopathic Amanda.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Of having masterminded a death orgy. I can't and then
I'm like okay, and then I'm surviving.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
That was never the prosecution's theory that it was a
death orgy. That's something that Amanda Knox supporters put out
to make it look ridiculous. Was never argued in court
that was some kind of orgy or death orgy. But

(35:57):
Amanda Knox will keep pushing it because she knows it's
youful to her to say it like that, to make it,
to make the charges against her look ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
There's a prison which itself is a traumatic experience, so
like it's just like been trauma on top of trauma
that I've It's taken me years to sort of unravel.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
What is this.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
And so when I first came home, absolutely I was
you know, I'm looking to the world for guidance on
how I'm supposed to process this traumatic experience. And what
the world was telling me was you're not a victim,
shut up and disappear.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
And so, of course, like, Amanda, do you want me
to say it again, I'll say it now. You're not
a victim. I agree, shut up and disappear. Do something else,
anything else, but keep profiting off your crime. Apparently there
are still some moral people left who do not like

(37:00):
off your crime, who are familiar with the facts of
the case and don't like it when you profit off
your crime. Okay, Well, then she says it was trauma
on top of trauma. She didn't process the trauma. She
didn't go to like say, a therapist to process her experience.
She needs to look to the all of American society

(37:24):
social media to process her trauma. And she didn't process
her trauma writing her first book, Waiting to be Heard?
Wasn't she waiting to be heard? Then she said absurd? Absurd?
And Gwynis is just like, wow, wow, wow, how can
I help you? How can I how can I help you?

(37:45):
To this interview? I mean, what a great what a
great sidekick to have if you're inventing a story. Someone
is just gonna believe it and then treat you like
a victim.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Hey like raw grief feelings that I have for the
life that I could have lived, or for my own
pain that I've gone through. I'm just experiencing rejection after rejection,
and I felt buried.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Can we go back to the beginning for a minute,
because I just want to understand.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
So, what's one time she's ever experienced rejection. She's never
been publicly shamed, yelled at. I mean, I would expect
people to throw tomatoes at her everywhere she goes after
she did what she did. But we're very forgiving public,
and we've had her innocence fraud campaign Breton watch most

(38:43):
of the American public, or a lot of it, into
thinking she is some kind of victim and she was innocent,
And it was like some kind of kangaroo court and
AI when you look up, like the facts of the
case have AI tell you the facts of the case
from a position of guilt. The only thing left is

(39:05):
the double D and a knife. All the rest of
the evidence has been wiped out of the collective memory.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Grew up in Seattle or on the in Washington's Seattle Washington,
grew up in Seattle. You're on your junior year abroad.
This is like my daughter's age, you know roughly, and
you you move into this apartment, you're sort of It.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Wasn't the junior year abroad. She got no college she
got no college credits. She was taking I believe one
or two language courses, very light load. Meredith was taking
a very heavy course, like a full course load. She's

(39:51):
already a problem. Amanda was there at a party and
hang out and take one length which class that gave
her no college.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Credits, like full of optimism and excitement, and you're you're
moving into your cottage and you have a roommate. And
how long you were establishing your life there? You were
starting classes? How long into your junior year abroad?

Speaker 3 (40:17):
This happened. So I was there in Perusia for five weeks,
I believe it. Yeah, So I was still like getting settled,
you know, I was still figuring out how to say
where is the bibliotheca? You know, like I was, And
it was it was a magical experience, like I have

(40:37):
to say, like everything up to.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
The her Italian was pretty good. She spoke German. Grandma's
German so she's very good at languages. She was picking
it up pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
The tremendous, horrible tragedy that happened was beautiful, Like I
was meeting lots of other students. I was, you know,
going out and drinking wine and having pizza with you know,
and going and seeing live music.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
And going through thousands of dollars. She was almost gone
through her entire money that she had. She's going through
thousands a week. And there was all these cocaine dealers
numbers in her phone that were found after the murder,

(41:29):
so you can also also had made She was there
at a party. Let's put that and have a good time.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
And there's the flea market, and there was the chocolate festival,
and you know, like, and I'm living with these three
beautiful young women, one of whom is a foreign exchange
student like me, and the other two are Italians, and
so I'm just feeling really like welcomed and homed and embraced,
and it's a beautiful experience. And then I meet my boyfriend,

(41:59):
you know, Raphae La at this classical music concert. So
everything is going the way that you would hope your
study had. Broad experience, dream dreamy and I'm on Like
the mentality that I was in when I came home
to discover this crime scene was like it was a special.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Except for this problem with your roommate Meredith. So they
started out as friends and then their friendship deteriorated because
Amanda was incredibly selfish, didn't clean, would play the same
note on the guitar and drive everyone crazy over and
over again, have strange men over, not flush the toilet.

(42:44):
And Meredith was a neat freak. She never did her chores.
So everybody was given chores. So there's two other roommates,
Laura and Philamina and Meredith and Amanda. So we have
four women and living in a small villa that needed
to be clean because it's at hand if it's not cleaned.

(43:08):
They all did their chores. The only one who didn't
do her chores on the chore wheel was Amanda.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Well, long weekend so I mean, I don't know if
you've been in town or in the area around that
time of year, but like it's a special celebration. People
do a long weekend to celebrate the days following Halloween
because there are really traditional holidays in Italy, and so
everyone made plans to go either visit their families or

(43:34):
to go out of town.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
And you oddly stayed, and Meredith stayed, but Philhelmina and
Laura left strangely raff, and you turned off your phone
at the same time. You never did this before, never again,

(43:56):
and then turned on your phone again in Unison the
next morning after the murder. So what is that about.
She's never does an interview with anyone who, like me,
who knows anything about the case, who could ask her
these questions. She only talks to people who will simp

(44:23):
for her, simp.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
For Raphael, my new boyfriend of a week, had made
this plan that we would go to Goobio, which is nearby,
and like enjoyed truffles. He was just trying to be
this like very gracious.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Very gracious, wholesome. So he was someone who had the
worst kind of things on your computer that you can
ever imagine. Had taken a picture of himself with the hatchet,
mummified himself with a hatchet. Rudy Jude also took a
very disturbing video where he's making these foolish eyes and

(45:01):
it was all just like classical music and truffles, and
he was just really a gentleman. He had gotten arrested
for substances. Amanda had gotten a citation rest for throwing
a party where the party goers were throwing rocks at

(45:23):
cars so out of control. The only one without a
record at that time of this murder was it was Rudy.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Rudy Goude just host to me, and so my plan
that morning was to just go home, take a shower,
get dressed into something pretty because I'm on this like
romantic adventure, and go off to goobio. And instead I
find a crime scene.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
The ever present when we saw that.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
The fortunate thing is I only saw the sort of say,
the crime scenes.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
So here's the problem. So when the police asked Amanda
whether Meredith locked her door, so the killers whoever they were,
took all of Meredith's phones and dumped them so she
couldn't call for help, and locked her door and had

(46:26):
her die behind a locked door. And it was the
worst kind of death. She drowned in her own blood, heinous, heinous,
heinus death. So when the police came, they said, is
it normal for Meredith to lock her door? And Amanda

(46:48):
was like, yeah, It's totally normal for Meredith to lock
your door. And the other roomorgs were like, what, she
never locks her door. It's always open. So listen to
how Amanda Ux deals with it. Now, it's sometimes locks, sometimes.

Speaker 6 (47:00):
Open, and it's like the you know ground But if
you actually read her letter home, she was like she
was so alarmed she started banging as hard as she
could that Meredith door was locked.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Now it's like just maybe a little weird because it
was sometimes locked, sometimes unlocked, so it was normal zero.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
I only saw the outer I did not see ground
zero with my own eyes. I saw the outer ring
of it. Right. So I came home and found things
amiss in my house, right, Like the front door was open,
there was some a little bit of speckling of blood
in my bathroom, and like as as I was coming

(47:41):
home again, like I'm thinking, I'm going off on this romantic.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Like speckling of blood, the door was open, there was
a bloody bath mat with a footprint on it, which
is a rap's footprint. Turned out to be blood mixed
blood in the sink and you and the next thing

(48:04):
you want to do is get naked and vulnerable and
take a shower, not knowing what's happened. So she's always
downplaying how weird it was here. It was very It
would alarm anyone if you if you came home. If
I came home and my apartment door was open, and
then I went into the bathroom and there was a
bloody bath Matt, I'd be out of there so fast,

(48:27):
running out of there so fast. I would not be
stripping off and getting naked and taking a shower trip.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I just need to get changed, get my stuff, blah
blah blah. I come home and I think that's weird.
Why is the front door open. There's no one here?
But then I think, well, maybe someone forgot to lock
the door, and maybe you know, like you're not thinking
worst case scenario. I'm just thinking, Oh, that's weird. The
front door's open. And I go in the bathroom like, oh,
that's weird. Why is their blood drops? And I initially thought,

(48:55):
oh did like I had just recently pierced my ears
and I was like, oh, my ears bleeding, Like but no, Oh,
it's okay, weird. Well, I guess we're all girls here.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
So Tuesday Money, who I did the early amandon Ox
episodes with, she thinks that during the struggle, Meredith Kircher
pulled out Amanda Knox's earring, and that's what she was looking.
That's why her lamp was on the floor facing towards
under Meredith's bed. Is that she was looking for that
earring to retrieve that earring that was pulled yanked out

(49:27):
of her ear And you look at her ears, they
look very very suspect. And her roommate, I can't remember,
I want to say it was Laura had all these
ear piece piercings, like up and down her ears. So
Amanda got that done just to copy her immediately in Italy, like,

(49:54):
you know, all these psychopaths are just empty shells, you know,
they don't really have in her you know, personalities. They
just take on others.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Occasionally stuff like that comes up. So whatever, it's fine.
So I take a shower, get changed, and then I
noticed that there are two bathrooms in our apartment, and
I go into the second bathroom to blow dry my hair.
That's where the blow dryer is, and I noticed that
someone has left feces in the toilet. And that was
the first moment that I got chills, because I was like,

(50:27):
that wasn't explainable to me. That was a string?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
What is this like acting out the sound effects. Oh
I got chills. Oh ah, ooh ah the sound effects
by Gwyneth Baltra.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Let me add to the drama in the comments are ridiculous, ridiculous.
The most gullible people on planet Earth are in the
common sections like this is amazing. How did Amanda get
through this horrible, horrible event? She's so amazing wrong. Love prayers, Amanda,

(51:04):
loving prayers. I want to hear that again. Let's hear
the sound effects again. So Amanda Knox upound finding she
strangely preserved Rudy goo days poo, and all she wanted
to talk to the police about was this poo in
the toilet because she thought that they wouldn't be there

(51:27):
would be such a kangaroo court and kangaroo investigators. Is
that even a phrase?

Speaker 3 (51:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
That she could pin this off on one person if
they got rid of enough of DNA of the themselves. Unfortunately,
rafts DNA was still found on Meredith Kircher's broad class.
Her mixed DNA blood was found Meredith Kirchers in the
hallway bathroom in room of the stage break in. But

(51:59):
they were pretty good at just leaving Rudy Goude's DNA
in the in the in Meredith room. That's the room
that they did a lot, a lot of cleaning of.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
In the toilet and that was the first moment that
I got chills because I was like, that wasn't explainable
to me. That was a stranger has been in the house.
And I immediately was like, oh no, and I went.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Back when she could identify the pooh, she knew that
that was a stranger's poo. She knew like it wasn't
Laura's pooh, someone else's pooh. She knew it was strange
poo right away. She had remembered that that toilet was
clean beforehand. She had kept full, full rounds on the

(52:52):
toilet and the pooh. It's not like so it didn't
just flush or they might have had plumbing problems. She
knew it was stranger's poo right away to.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Raphae La and I was like, uh, what do I do?
And he was like, well, hold on, Like you don't
you don't know, like call your roommates, like see if
something is going on. And so I try calling them
and I can't get a hold of two of them,
Meredith and Laura. I finally get a hold of Philmena.
I tell her, you know, this is weird. Were you

(53:24):
at the house last night? Do you know what's going on?
And she says no, but that is weird. Let's meet
back out the house and check it out. And she's
farther away than me, so I get there first. Me
and raphae La go back into the house together and
we poke around more thoroughly. Like when I initially went
to the house, I just went into my space. I
went into my bedroom, I went to my bathroom, and

(53:45):
then just blue dry my hair in the second bathroom.
But this time I start looking in my other roommate's rooms.
So I go to Lauda's room perfect untouched, as if
nothing happened. I go into Philamina's room and it's ransacked.
The window is broken.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
And okay, so they knew that someone had thrown a
brick from from that it had been broken from the
inside out, not the outside, the end the way the
glass fell, among other things. And so she's gonna say
that they knew that nothing was taken because Rudy Goude

(54:24):
said this was a fight started about missing rent money.
So we know that Amanda Knox was had gone through
all her savings that she had for and she was
close to not you know, they were dwindling down. She
was spending thousands of dollars a week on what, we
don't know, maybe truffles. That's what our supporters say. And

(54:52):
Rudy Gude said that they started fighting about this missing
rent money and did Amanda and that mayor it accused
Amanda of taking the rent money. So but when Raft
called the police, he said nothing was missing. Like strangely,
he knew what what Lorbrah Philhelmina everyone in the house had,

(55:15):
and he knew right away that nothing was missing. That's
one of the first things he says to the police. Oh,
nothing missing. Just looks broken into.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Pretty telling clearly there's been a break in. And immediately
I tell my boyfriend, can you please call the cops
because I don't even know how to call the cops
in Italy. So he's on the phone and I then
go to Meredith's room to try to.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I don't know how to call the cops. Whenn't it
calling nine one one be something you'd learn when you'd
want to go to Italy, you'd want to learn those things.
But here she's making a reason why he said there
was nothing missing. Raf did. It's one of the more
telling things. But she's liked. Clearly there's been a break in.
Clearly there's been a real break in, not a stage

(56:04):
break in. Another thing that the Supreme Court upheld that
the break in was staged.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Anything's wrong in there. And I can't open her door.
It's been locked, which is weird because sure Meredith has
locked her door in the past a couple times, but
it was always when she was inside the room, not
when she was gone. And she is not answering when
I am banging on her door, and I immediately think

(56:39):
something is wrong. I don't know what is wrong, but
something is wrong. So I asked Rafaeli to try to
break down the door. He tries kicking it down. He
can't do it. So we decide to wait for the
police to arrive, and they do. But they're not the
police that we called. They are police who arrive who
are completely separate entities. So, as you know, in Italy,

(56:59):
there are two completely separate entities of police. There's the.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
She's right, So the phone police came because the phones
were retrieved in a garden.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Nearby Carabagnetti, and there's the Policia Postale. Raphael called the Caravignetti.
That's actually the same police that his sister works for,
the Caravignetti, and so he called them and explained the
situation and they had some people coming. But in the meantime,
this other police entity, the Policia Postale, had discovered these

(57:34):
cell phones that were you know, these cell phones were discovered.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Oh, you know all I can think of when she
brings up Raphael so that she tolls family they have.
They interfered with this case as much as they could
to get him off. And one of the things they
did is a mobster came forward, I mean, you can't
make this up and said that his brother did the
crime because he went to the Royal villa, I don't

(58:01):
know how looking for to steal artwork. I hope I'm
remembering this correctly. Correct me if I'm wrong. And he
said his brother did it and swore to it, and
then if they found out it was a total lie,
and that he had been promised money from RAF's family

(58:24):
for a sex change operation. Can you make this stuff up?
You can't make this stuff up. There's a great moments
in Amanda Knox and Raphaelle Celestiito's innocent fraud store. Yeam
paid and.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
They show up and how do they know to show
up to the house because one of the SIM cards
belonged to Philameno Romanelli, one of our roommates. So they're saying,
we're looking for Filamena Romanelli. They're not saying we're looking
for Meredith. They're looking for Philomena. And I was like, well,
that doesn't make any sense because I just talked to
Philamena on the phone and is I don't understand why

(59:01):
her phone would be missing. And so I'm like, but
we called you about a break in. I don't know
anything about any phones, but like there's been a break in,
And they're like, what are you talking about? And We're like,
what are you talking about? We just talked you on
the phone. And there's this like confusion from the get go.
Oh while you're doing this in Italian? Yes, and thankfully
RAPHAELI was there to help explain. But I'm attempting to

(59:22):
talk to people. I am not at all fluent in it.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Did you all get that? She's not at all fluid?
Not at all fluid, not in the tiniest bit. But
she was talking to a lot.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Of people Italian, and I'm trying to like communicate, trying
to understand, and it's complete and utter chaos. Finally they
come into the house.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
The serious space. We get the serious space from Guinnith.
Oh she's putting on the serious face. Oh yeah, whatever,
it was all just a misunderstan, all her changed stories,
all her lives, it's all just a misunderstate. Never mind
that she had a a a translator there when she

(01:00:16):
was questioned as a witness. We'll get into that. I'm
just trying to get through the the brick of it,
the brick of the story, and then we can I
can move forward to some of the more ridiculous and parts.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
They check things out. Phil Almena comes home. She has
her boyfriend with her, and her boyfriend was the one
who eventually broke in Meredith's store and they discover her body.
I did not see it because I was still busy
talking to the police officers and you know, trying to
like respond and navigate the situation both.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
So everyone was there felt that Amanda was delaying as
much she could, saying that it was normal that Meredith
locked her door and that maybe she was just out
or whatever. The people around felt that she was delaying
this discovery for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Like she saw into her room, saw ground zero where
my friend, my roommate fought for.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
They weren't friends, they hated each other. Amanda Knox was
the only person in all of Perusia that I've ever
heard of that hated Meredith Kercher strangely. And this was
like a vicious, nasty, tortured death that was inflicted on her.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Her life and was sexually assaulted and stabbed to death
and flipped out, and everyone starts screaming in Italian and
I have no idea what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Right? I have no idea what's going on. But when
she got to the station, one of Meredith's friends said,
I hope Meredith didn't suffer too much. And Amanda Knox
turned to her and said.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Her throat was e f and slit, very cold and callous,
never cried, never went any memorial services for Meredith, her
great friend. And she says, she says, oh, that she
was falsely accused and went on trial because of her

(01:02:45):
yoga that she now calls it yoga. But people say
she was doing cartwheels and splits in the police station,
not yoga, not stretching, and that when she was given
little booties to go into the crime scene. You know,
forensic covers, foot covers, So when she was putting those on,

(01:03:06):
she put on her booties and hat to go into
the bill of this is afterwards, like to take police
around the scene. Not only did she put her hands
up to her ears and start shaking her head and
freaking out at the knife drawer strangely, but she put
on these boot coverings in this little hat and went

(01:03:28):
to da and people found that very inappropriate. So it
wasn't just one act of stretching that people felt. I mean,
so they go into that her yoga and it's like, yeah,
I know, I'd want to do some yoga, but I
were at the police station for hours and hours. She
came in with Raf. They told her she looked tired

(01:03:48):
to go home. She insisted on staying with Raf, almost
like as if they were co conspirators and she wanted
to stay close to him so that he didn't change
his story. The story was that they were together all night,
and they still don't have alibis to this day for

(01:04:08):
where they were at night, and they and Raf says
there was a period of time that Amanda wasn't with him,
that she went intod this alone. He claims, so when
Raf finally broke and said, oh no, I was there
that night, this is a whole pack of LIESE. My

(01:04:30):
girlfriend told me to say. That's when Amanda Knox falsely
accused her boss when RAF took away his alibi. So
it makes sense now. So it's not some kind of
massive hunch. I mean, you couldn't even go to court
on a hunch. I mean, what kind of trial would
be a hunche? Everybody was she was treated very well.

(01:04:54):
I know she got one court to say when it's
not I don't even get into that. But even she
said under oath that she was treated very well, that
the system has treated her very well and was very
fair to her. So let's just move on forward. This

(01:05:20):
is hard to take.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
How police officers are allowed to communicate with you when
they are questioning you about a case. Right, there's something
called an inner Right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
She feels like that they were wrong to wait for
a translator and get her statement, and then not only
did she falsely accuse her boss, she came with what
she called her gift, which she wrote another note which
was like it might be a dream.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
I might.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I'm still really confused. She was playing cat and mouse.
She didn't want to commit to any story. She was
just kind of wasting the police's time, playing sort of
cat and mouse, like maybe did it, Maybe my boss
was there, but maybe it was a dream. But she's like,
here's my gift. But I remember I covered my ears
when Meredith screamed. So her story was changing constantly all

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the time.

Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
So even.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
The laws had changed as far as Slander is concerned.
So she thought she was going back to Italy, and
this is the reason she thought she would be exonerated,
because they changed the laws and made them very defendant friendly,
which threw out a lot of the evidence against her
Slander case. But even with a lot of the evidence
thrown out, her Slanders case still stood. She's still a

(01:06:42):
convicted liar. And these Hollywood dum dums like Gwynneth are
like really really like, oh, tell me more, Please lie
to me some more. Amanda, you convicted liar. You did
two years in prison for lying. Tell me another story.

(01:07:05):
So she feels like she was treated unfairly, and then
she talks about what her parents went through it's around here.
Hold on, that's that good. It's it's a lot, guys.
I know most people, most Satan people can only take
so much of Amanda Knox. You can try to move
through this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Narratives. Take hold, that's interesting, But it is a boulder
that is like falling down the hill and accumulating like
stuff on it as it goes along. And that's what
this story, this narrative about me felt like. Meanwhile, the
actual murder, like, I don't know how well do you
know the case? Do you know that there's we know
who committed the crime?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yes, yeah, okay, yeah, three of you we know who
committed the crime? How well do you how well? At
first are you my innocent fraud narrative? Now when it's
like yeah, I've read all your propaganda.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Great, yeah, well some people don't know that. So like
it's you'd be surprised the number of people who he's free, right, Yes,
he's free and he's on trial again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Oh, she's so pleased, and she's like this is the
way she talks about this. I think I'm gonna end it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Here close to here for stocks, another young woman who
thankfully survived this time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
See survived this time. Strangely, no one's been killed. See,
she's already she's already knows that her naysayers are going
to be like, well, that woman lived. Strangely, it's only
when there's a whole lot of evidence of other people
do people die. But let me see, I might take

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a quick break here. Thanks Tonny and for the supersticker.
I appreciate you supporting the channel. Let me take a
quick break and I'll be right back. Don't go, don't
go anywhere. We're listening to Amandon Knox Innocent Fraud Show

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with Gwyneth Paltrow more when we get back.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
My check.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
Roberta strides through the static case True Crime Gotham, where
the shadows play their place, frauds to fold when the
spotlight beams stack focused, queen busting, propaganda schemes, glass shadow
lies that goes through the streets, standing for victims, giving
voice their beats, and y c post truth sharp as
night referda explosive. She's the antsy froud light partast warrior,

(01:10:09):
dissecting Satan's defense, twisted innocence claims, breaking pretense. Gotham's truth
Seeker cuts clean with the blade facts in the forefront.
No justice gets swaying, cold facts drip heavy real salt,
gun furls, cracking cases open like oysters with pearls, innocense,
emmicks crumble the dust in the wind for victims to
creed justice till the end. Headphones blazing, she drops heavy artillery.

(01:10:45):
Now it's twisted meat, blunt objects, civility. Roberta got receipts
that unraveled. Deploy exposing the lies, these frauds as deploy
glass shot his lies that goes through the streets, standing
for victims, giving voice their beats and blasph shop name
exposed that she's the answer fraud light.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Okay, we're back. So I may have gone over this
and just missed it at the time, but here's where
Gwyneth asked about what the evidence was against Amanda Ox
and listen, listen to how this goes.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Evidence that they started to follow that could have led
them to assume your guilt.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
I mean, isn't that the burning question I don't get
a life?

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Here, Yeah, isn't that the question? How do you go
to trial with a hunch? So when you're in Italy,
you're feeling your case in front of judges so it's
not a jury. But you're like, hey, hey, judges, I
don't have any actual evidence, but I have a hunch.

(01:12:25):
We just don't like her. We just don't like this
Amanda Knox, this American. And then there's another part in
this interview where Grina talks about her extreme beauty. Amanda
Knox is better than average looking, but is she a
great beauty? No, it was odd, you know, it was

(01:12:45):
an odd story that you know, as I say this,
I'm thinking about Meredith Kircher. Sorry, I'm going off on
a little bit of a tangent here, but it was odd.
Some people people found her good looking, you know, in

(01:13:06):
any good looking woman who's on trial for this kind
of crime is going to get attention. But I mean,
she makes it sound like she's some kind of great,
you know, great great beauty, not just better than average looking.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
And you know, it's it's that haunted question of like
why why did the cops take one?

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Look? Okay, I'm going to just do in a thought
experiment with my audience here, you're wrongfully convicted of Okay,
we'll use the language of the wrongful conviction movement. You're
you're accused. They never say convicted, accused of a crime
you didn't commit. Right, we use that language, and you
finally get a chance to talk about it, wouldn't you

(01:13:54):
be going over every little piece of evidence and how
it got wrong and how it got twisted. So when
the time finally came for you to say all the
ways that the evidence was either misinterpreted, I don't know
how it happened, you'd want to get into every nook

(01:14:17):
and granny detail here it gets really vague, isn't that
the question? Why did they pick me?

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
Why? Me?

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
He'd be like, look, Gwyneth, this guy first they find
this and they think it's this or I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Her.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yeah, her DNA on the handle of the murder weapon
was kind of and the victims DNA on the on
the blade kind of clued them in. She's the only
one who was changing her story daily, who and falsely

(01:15:06):
accusing other people? It seems so obvious. I mean, I like,
I laugh at my younger self. It was so brought
in by this. But when you know, like, why would
you falsely accuse your boss? And then never she's never

(01:15:26):
paid him the money she owes him for slandering him
and ruining his life. Never paid it. She feels that bad,
badly about what she's done.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
One year old kid with no motive and no precedent,
and think, there's my rapist and murderer, right like why why?

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
What was never treated as a graping case. It was
never treated like that, and it Meredith was smart, well liked.
She was dating a boy who lived a young man

(01:16:12):
who lived downstairs that Amanda really had her sights on.
They hated each other, and then she was going to
out Amanda for stealing her rent money and came to blows.
And Amanda was hyped up on things and had written

(01:16:39):
stories like this that got very about sexually motivated crimes
in great detail. People described her as like a bomb
ready to go off. So a lot of people are like, yeah,

(01:17:04):
I'm not surprised, So I think I'm gonna try to
end it there. It's just more innocent thread. There's so
much innocent fraud. I can't keep up with it. Does
anybody have any questions to ask me? I mean, this

(01:17:26):
is like the perfect dude. When it says do you
know about the case, I would guarantee you if I
went to Gwyneth with ten facts about the case. She
wouldn't know though, real facts, not fake you know, not
innocent fraud narrative. She knows the innocent fraud tale. She's
watched the Amanda Knox documentary. But having no talents, Amanda

(01:17:50):
Knox is gonna grift off of this as long as
she can. She's got mouths to feed, kids to feed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
I ask Pat Brown how Amanda's DNA mixed blood, Why
Amanda and Meredith were bleeding at the same time, how
that came to be? I think, I think, does anyone
have any questions before I go? This is one of

(01:18:27):
these I will say, this is one of these episodes
where I will return to it one day. I will
be able to talk a lot more, and I'll tell
you a whole lot more. That's all I can say. Yeah,

(01:18:52):
it's terrible. It's almost like Carla Hamoka, same thing. You
think about her children. They didn't do anything but be
born thing. Yeah. Yeah, murder makes you rich in America,
that's the way it goes. And this is where there's
a new HBO thing on a non Sayed's life. I mean,

(01:19:16):
this is just an industry that just keeps going and going. Monday,
there is the civil hearing in Karen Reid's case. There's
just seems to just never end. I can't keep up
with all the amount of innocence for Aull this country
is reducing. Have a great night everyone, Thanks so much

(01:19:37):
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so much.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Liz.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
I appreciate your support. Have a a great night everyone.
Thanks for the supersticker list.

Speaker 8 (01:20:06):
And then I want you to polk she comes a
nice until Meredith's next double.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
The Indy Night.

Speaker 8 (01:20:11):
We won't forget some cartwheels in this listen at the
police station.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Hid your relations dad.

Speaker 8 (01:20:17):
Guys, she will be your tea before you hire a
lawyer when you're out a poster of any employer. Then
I'm glos the god with the cour Live this last,
You'll be fat line.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
She's a Sich summer sing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
She's stole Mam.

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
It's nice and a plunge of the lady never stops probing,
over cried.

Speaker 8 (01:20:40):
Murder, pays and pays and pays the city of PEROCHI
yell when she's around the town with pitchforks and torches
like the monster.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
You are get our classes and.

Speaker 8 (01:20:53):
God I can watch how you see torches. We will
never forget how you stage the burglary. Come with your ears,
A blocked out Meredith screen makes blood of you and Meredith.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Only with the crime.

Speaker 8 (01:21:02):
See he's saying blood he been in alone, but we
are Why see you're seeing a man and that this
is a convicted liar. You can't produce your Hulu flick
and this is from documentary. You are the rod's oldest trick.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
The Court of Consis said, you are there the scene
of the crime.

Speaker 9 (01:21:18):
Watched Meredith blood off your.

Speaker 8 (01:21:19):
Pass and Doggie dots you a pr T before he
hired a lawyer. When you're alibi, how far you blames
your employer? A lot of right and James should he
got out.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
With an alibi ord.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
Jesus saw that spitch she stole mart It's like with
a blunt of a blade knows that's profit and off.
The crime of pays and pace okay, the city of.

Speaker 9 (01:21:46):
Who works you which you had a towel of pitchforks
and torches like the master. You are got crosses and
golfed and watch how you're seeing scorches. You never forget
how you stayed the roof, how wout you gise the blockdown?

Speaker 8 (01:21:57):
Meretith screams, mix blood of you amerit go look at
the crime scene. He's saying, but he did it alone,
but we are why did your scheme?

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Mann is a convicted liar.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
You can't produce your phone hurlu.

Speaker 8 (01:22:10):
Flick and it's a strong documentary ruin the Who's Oldest Trick?
The quortication said, you were there at the season of
the crime watching Meredith blood off the Hanson. No, he
got you a PRT before he had a lawyer. When
your alibi fell apartment e blamed your employer a little
right in jail and so he got out with an
alibi made away. She's a psycho Sam and a selfish bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
She's stole Mary and it's nice with a blunde of away.
Stop profiting off the crime of pays and pays and page.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Day.

Speaker 8 (01:22:43):
He's a pays and page.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
Of paying case.

Speaker 8 (01:22:50):
Okay, he's a pays and page.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
In pace.

Speaker 8 (01:22:58):
Okays.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
The paysan taste

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Mm hmm