Karen Read Blame Game! Aidan Kearney Points the Finger at Natalie Wiweke!

In an attempt to get Karen Read supporters back in his good graces, Aidan Kearney does an expose on Natalie Bernschneider Wiweke’s role in getting accused cop killer Karen Read acquitted from her murder charged in the death of her police officer boyfriend John O’Keefe. As per usual, Kearney mixes in truth and a lot of fiction in his writing. Let’s talk about it!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, just to be clear, you didn't do it. We

(00:03):
know who did it, Steve, we know, and we know
who spearheaded this cover up.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
You all know if John was beaten up and attacked
in that house.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Who did it?

Speaker 3 (00:12):
We don't know.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
We don't know, and it's not for us to know.

Speaker 5 (00:17):
Somebody other than Karen. Somebody other than Karen is responsible
for that for the killing of John.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
You are listening to the ROBERTA. Glass True Crime report
putting the true back in true crime from New York City. ROBERTA.
Glass is now on the record.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Oh okay, here we go. Should we do a role call?
Blue River Truth and Justice? Dark Side of the Moon
Kiddies nineteen ninety three, Ruth Lang All the usual suspects
are here. Hello everybody. So I wanted to talk about

(01:34):
Turtle Boy and his rewriting of the history of how
the Karen Reid innocen's broad campaign started and curious timing.
I just put put out a video of Natalie bren

(01:59):
Schneiner were weak who went to Bentley College with Karen Reid.
She knew of Karen Reid. Karen Reid was a total
stranger to her. She just knew of her at Bentley
College and knew the same people, but never actually said
a word. One to her at Bentley College read in

(02:21):
the paper that she was charged with this crime, and
knew immediately that she had to help her and believed
her when believed Karen Reid. Natalie did when Karen Reid
said she had nothing to do with this and it
was a giant conspiracy and it was going to come out,

(02:44):
And Natalie and Karen read together created this fantastical narrative
with the help of Turtle Boy, putting it out, this
innocence fra aud narrative that has now become or is
slowly being cemented as American myth with the help of Hollywood.

(03:10):
Now Karen Reid's got a book, she's got a movie deal.
The accused murderer of John O'Keefe is all the rage
and is like so many killers before her, making hand
over suffist blood money for her crime. So shirt a

(03:37):
Boy came out so in an effort. So if you
haven't been up to date on where we're at with
all of this, there has been a giant upset, and
more of an upset than I would have thought. You
know what's interesting, to me about watching the free Karen
Reid movement. Is the the viewers on my channel. We

(04:01):
watched Karen Reid lie and lie again. I made a
three point turn. I didn't make a three point turn.
I looked down at my phone at the moment when
he went into the house, so I didn't know if
he went into the house or not. Then she sang, oh, yep,
I saw him go into the house. I didn't see
him go into the house. I did see him go

(04:22):
into the house. All these contradictions and getting caught and
you know, flat out lies from her text messages to
Brian Higgins that she had stomach sorry, excuse me, she
had colon cancer and she had ten surgeries, to her

(04:45):
lawyer David Yannetti, lying and saying that she had a
brain tumor. We've seen no proof of her having this
brain tumor, that she had a colon or her entire
colon removed and she where's a colostomy bag? You haven't
seen any evidence of that. We've never even seen evidence

(05:06):
of her ms. So you know, I mean, to her
fantastical tale, I mean, should we I mean, should we
not even forget her fantastical tail? The whole reason she

(05:27):
couldn't come out on time they all had to wait
for her to arrive is because she was waiting for
her plumber Richie to come out that night. The night
she backed into John O'Keefe with her foot seventy five
percent down on the gas pedal up to speeds of
twenty four miles an hour in reverse, was her Richie

(05:50):
the Plumber. Tail that Richie was fixing her hot water issues.
And she couldn't come out that night because Richie was
there and he'd shown her a part that was all rusty,
and then he put the toilet heats on crooked and
then he would go into home depot, but he'd be
back Manyana. Anybody remember that dale that lie. Maybe I'll

(06:17):
fill you in if you if you if you don't
know about Richie the Plumber. So here's a here's a
here's a summation of it.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Everyone is waiting for me to arrive at the bar
at home in mass Field. I'm making up a new
cole stuck.

Speaker 7 (06:45):
His name is a Ritchie the Plumber.

Speaker 8 (06:48):
No hot water.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
It's a bummer.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
It's all the pigment of my imagination.

Speaker 7 (06:55):
Call it a line of faint right, full indignant, called
the plumber. I got a rusty pipe. Hot water is
not working.

Speaker 6 (07:08):
I'll start in a fight.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Sure is a lie, but it's a little one.

Speaker 7 (07:13):
Gotta get my boyfriend under my phone, John says he
and his papa, who would have fisted.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
If only this broken pipe.

Speaker 7 (07:27):
In real life existed.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Causing pain and suffering is what I do best.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
Put in my boyfriend's patience through test after test, Richie,
my imaginary plumber is at home deeedo, both hoping that
story will get a rise out of my boyfriend and
his a little beadle. I'll arrive at the bar, showing

(07:56):
up late, make him angry right out of the gate.
He's oh, I feel and Lenny Dobby, I'm done right,
twistin' stummy.

Speaker 9 (08:04):
I'll down Larry drinks and a roun.

Speaker 7 (08:06):
Him all over after miss gas, scream and cry it's
you John, Liey. Leave him to die in a blizard
inflicting pain of whizers. Get Jen to call nine one one,
have the whole town point and fingers when it's over

(08:28):
and dune.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
It makes me so sad looking at the justice for
John O'Keeffe that has sailed. That ship is sailed. The
only kind of justice that's left for the O'Keefe family
is the small bit of justice they can get in
civil court. I went over if you didn't see, they've

(09:02):
added a new lawyer, Bbfel to the legal team. Really,
I was thinking today, really might be better. Is some
a lawyer who's gone up against organized crime, mafia mafia
lawyer might be better to add to this team. I mean,

(09:25):
this is such an unusual situation. I mean, these Karen
Reid's lawyers aren't terrific lawyers. They're just willing to go beyond,
my opinion, go beyond the bounds of the law and
try the case outside the court. I mean, if they
were great lawyers, they would try the case inside the court.

(09:50):
What they are willing to do is bend, not even
ben the rules, break the rules, and put the trial
where there are no rules, outside of court. That's what
they've been so good at doing. So there's been a

(10:14):
going back to before. So we've seen all these lies
by Karen Reid doesn't seem to affect a man hears what.
It doesn't seem to affect Karen reid supporters. Man hears
what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest. They
don't seem to hear it when she when she lies.
But as far as what they did here is when

(10:37):
these leaked phone calls of Aidan Karney and Karen Reid.
So Aiden Karney came out and said was accused of
taping Karen Reid's phone calls and said, show me the receipts,
show me the proof. Came on in US spaces was

(10:59):
very angry. If you want to hear the video is
up in the video section of my YouTube channel. It's
called Turtleboy. There is no recording quote unquote Aiden Turtleboy
Carney denies tapping Karen Reid's phone calls. Put that out

(11:19):
an edited version of it because originally when I went
over it, there was so much swearing in it. They
age restricted it, so I wanted to keep it open
to everyone, so I had to edit out the swearing.
But so this seemed to have caused a real big

(11:41):
rift and free Karen Reid. Hearing Aiden Carney and Karen
Reid talk, because if you hear them talk and these clips,
they sound like co conspirators. I mean, here's just listen
to one.

Speaker 8 (12:00):
And not to go to her house and you want.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Was on my phone and they took you.

Speaker 10 (12:10):
I take then for that you didn't.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
I enjoy it? I enjoyed.

Speaker 10 (12:20):
Yeah, do you like honestly believe that I've like the
one point one billion dollars if you lead of the
French PM, But you needed that right? Where the do
you think that came from?

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah? They sound like criminals. They sound like criminals talking
to each other. So that seems to have put a
big rift in the Free Karen Reid movement. So it's
like people really like people coming out of a cult.
I compare it to scientologists who still want to practice
scientology after leaving the church. They want to practice independent scientology.

(12:58):
They think the current way scientology is run as bad
but l Ron Hubbard is good. So we have some
free Karen readers waking up and deciding that Karen Reid
really still is innocent. It's turtle boy who sold this
story is really bad and moving away. It doesn't make

(13:20):
any sense to me, but they're dealing with their own
cognitive dissonance. Hopefully someday they'll wake up and look at
the evidence against Karen Reid in a fair way and
look at the quality of the and honesty of the

(13:41):
defense witnesses she put up. So he's gone to distract
and he's tried to done two things. He's put out
the catfisher of Paul o'keef for everybody to hate instead
of him. So it's a deflection technique, the same deflection

(14:04):
technique that Karen Reid has used. And then he's moved
on to Natalie Bernschneider a week who started this whole thing.
Let's look at his coverage of it. So if you don't,

(14:26):
does everybody remember Natalie bern Schneider a week. She was
the middle woman between Karen Reid and Aidan Carney. So
Karen Reid before they wanted to talk directly and cut
her out completely and discarded her. And I've made the
point that Karen Reid is discarded Aiden Turtleboy Carney, just
the way she discarded Natalie Bernschneider week. I don't know.

(14:51):
I did a couple of at this one episode on it.
I don't know if this is what has inspired him
or something else, but he's gone and saying the person
that you should really hate in all of this is Natalie.
And I don't disagree with him on some of his
points I'll show you where, but others are totally fabricated.

(15:19):
Can't cover up Part five thirty five. Common Wealth won't
return Karen Reid's phone due to college friend Natalie with
week's betrayal, So I put up her interview with Brian
Tully on my channel. We can go through it somewhat.
But the way that Turtle Boy puts it is that

(15:39):
he was just writing this story when all of a sudden,
Jen Altman is in touch with Natalie, So Natalie got
in touch with Jen Altman. Jen Altman got Turtle Boy

(16:00):
to write this story with the help of Karen Reid
via She's the conduit. Natalie burnsched out of a week,
and if you listen to Natalie burnched out a week,
all the photos came from Karen Reid. The content. They
passed him documents, and he's like, well, I just used
the ninety four page document. I mean, he was handed

(16:23):
so much material to write this and to start fabricating
this narrative. Early during yesterday's bus Stop Live, I become
aware that there's a lot newer pre Karen Reid supporters
who don't know who Natalie the German is. So that's
his his nickname for her and the role she played

(16:46):
in the recent court hearing in which Karen Reid attempted
to get her cell phone back from Special Prosecutor Robert Cosgrove.
There's a lot of d bags who to get dragged
in the story, but Natalie doesn't get dragged enough. In fact,

(17:06):
I would argue that she is one of the top
five biggest pieces of s in this entire affair. I
first wrote about Natalie Burnsheiter a week in November of
twenty twenty three. So many ads on his page, it's ridiculous.
So he uses that picture of her because it's, I guess,

(17:28):
less attractive than the one I have in the thumbnail.
Natalie first reached out to me through an intermediary on
the evening of April seventeenth, twenty twenty three. So the
intermediary is Jen Altman? Do they call juwpac Shakur? After
I made a Facebook and Twitter post announcing that I

(17:49):
was writing a groundbreaking article on the murder of John O'Keefe.
So how did you get to announce that? Actually, maybe
is it better to go backwards than forwards? She presented
herself as a close friend of Karen Reid, from Bentley University.

(18:10):
She was never a close friend of Karen Reid's. She
didn't know her. She said, I knew of he who
knew everything about the case and was working to spread
the word about her friend Karen had been framed. I
wanted to do whatever I could to get the word out. Oh,
I just wanted to get right or wrong, not make
a lot of money, and started innocence fraud campaign. I

(18:33):
would get the word out that Karen Reid was innocent
because the lack of news coverage about the cover up
was mind boggling. So here's an interesting admission from Aiden
Carney is that before he looked at the evidence, he
took a position of innocence. That's pretty telling because the

(18:54):
lack of news coverage. I mean, talk about bias. That's
always the favorite of the killer supporters. You're still biased.
This is the ultimate bias. I'll read it again. I
wanted to do whatever I could to get the word
out that Karen read was innocent because the lack of
news coverage about this cover up was mind boggling, and

(19:16):
I already had the platform to fix that. Do you
know who Turtle Boy is? He has a blog coming
out about Karen in the case, do you have any
pictures of Jennifer mccabn and his sister. I'm currently working
on perhaps the crazy story I've ever written, involving a
Boston cop possibly being involved in murdering another cop, followed

(19:38):
by an elaborate cover up designed to frame the murdered
CoP's girlfriend so he knew he could glom onto the
anti police sentiment in this I put you in touch
with him. See your messages. A lot will happen today.
Thank you so much for putting us in touch with Turtle.
Thank you so much for the bottom of my heart. Okay,

(19:59):
so here's let me get back to the police interview

(20:22):
and let me just get you to listen to how
she said she started it. So, so they're talking about Jenman.
So here's Natalie Burnschneider a week talking about how it

(20:43):
all started for Karen.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
And I would laugh with Karen because for months we
had her eye on her and we would laugh and
I would say, she's like the white female Tupac Schapport,
like so outspoken cheerleader. And I was like, Karen, do
you know her? And She's like, I have no idea
who she is. And I was like, well, she's the
only one standing up for you. So like we were

(21:08):
watching her and we would laugh and we would, you know,
make jokes like that she's a little bit too breeze
in or whatever. And we decided, Like I said to Karen,
I said, do you mind if I reach out to
Altman and thank her because it's kind of nice of her.
She doesn't even know you, and she's the only one

(21:28):
not calling you a cop killer. And she was like,
by all means. So I wrote to Altman, and I'm
just getting my text, I said, And I got this
approval from Karen, and Karen told me what to send.

(21:50):
So I said, first, I want to thank you for
standing up for Karen. She's a friend of mine since
college and this whole thing is a nightmare. And then
I sent her a picture of Procter with those three
kids because Karen said send that, and I wrote, this

(22:12):
is lead Detective Michael Procter and Jennifer McCabe's children. Elizabeth
Procter is his wife. My guess is that a fight
broke out in the house and it went too far.
They beat him and it went too far. In the
autopsy photos, it's obvious he was beat up so badly,

(22:32):
and also the homeowner's German shepherd chewed up his arms.
Thank you for standing up for us. Then Altman writes
back to me something was very fishy, and I thought
that from the beginning. I'm also glad they got this
evidence and I'm praying it works out for her. What

(22:55):
can I do to help? And then I wrote on
April thirteenth, this is all. April thirteenth, I wrote, You've
been incredible. I see your comments on all the news articles.
You're standing up to family members of these cops who
beat him up and tossed his body in the snow
to freeze to death. I wish I could tell you

(23:17):
the details, but it will slowly come out. I told
Karen about you and how we need to make t
shirts that say Altman the Badass, And then I wrote
the FEDS are involved, so soon the officers and nephew
of the homeowner who beat him up, the officer who

(23:40):
stood guard as they tossed his body in the snow
bank in front of the house, and the sister in
law of the homeowner who googled how long it takes
to die in the poll will be brought down. Even
the homeowner's German shepherd who chewed John's arms during the fight,
will be brought down. They gave the German shepherd away

(24:03):
their houses for sale in escrow or sold by now
it will all come out. This is just the beginning.
And then I wrote, Karen hasn't had a moment to
mourn John's death, his children, who she loved immensely.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
She never talked to again. Granted, I mean it will
give her that there was a stay away order, but
there's not one anymore, and said she has actual hatred
towards the Okay family. Hayden said that Karen has hatred
towards the Okay family. This is all Natalie's delusions that

(24:45):
Karen felt so badly. Karen immediately the day after the crime,
was with her private detective tracing her steps and already
looking for ways to get off. So there there was
no mourning. There was no she told, She shold Karen.

(25:10):
She told Gretchen Voss that she was lying on her
parents' sofa for days weeping and couldn't move because she
was in such She never morened John, she was. She
immediately worked from the second that she did this to
cover up her crime. That should give you pause as

(25:30):
to what kind of person Karen Reid is. Psychopath? Anyone psychopath?
Cold hearted psychopath. Now Aiden wants to make Natalie, Natalie
the the object of hate in this story. I don't,
I'm not, you know, she's not my favorite character, but

(25:56):
I put Karen and Aiden way above her.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
She is not allowed to contact them. This is an
awful situation, but I'm thankful you've been supportive and I
did a heart and the prayer.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Like Natalie lost money, they just like they're just like
reaping the blood money from this crime. They can't get
enough blood money like vampires. Just how how can I
exploit John O'Keeffe's death anymore? Just and make myself the

(26:30):
victim and totally get everyone to forget John O'Keeffe was
really the victim of this crime, get all the sympathy
and money for myself, so that this has been all about,
I mean, get away with this crime. Don't forget that.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (26:48):
And did Jen connect you with anybody after this?

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (26:52):
So do you want me to keep reading or nonna
tell me what happened next to me?

Speaker 7 (26:56):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (26:56):
So then next yeah? So then next? So then on
April seventeenth, at three forty four pm Los Angeles time.
See Jennifer hit her message. She went through and hit

(27:17):
all these messages. That's what I hate about Facebook. Okay, anyway,
so Jennifer wrote to me, I actually have a screenshot
of it, so that's actually good. But she wrote to
me something along the lines of, Hi, Natalie, I have

(27:39):
Aiden Kearney, senior writer for Turtle Boy News. He would
love to write a story on the Karen ree case,
something along that, but I have screenshots, so you'll have
that all on the USB. And then I wrote, Hi, Altman,
thank you for putting us in touch. Let me ask
Karen for her blessed scenes. And then Clarence who's aid

(28:03):
and wrote, Jesus, I am so sorry.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
So none of this is done without Karen's approval. He
pretends like he was just I'm gonna write about this
anyway and just miraculously I got some help. No, this
is all fed to him, who's another wing of the
defense team. He's never an independent journalist covering the case.
Everything was fed through Karen Reid's defense team, and Karen

(28:29):
raid herself to Aiden, what is this nonsense about? Like
I just I was writing the story anyway, what a
nonsense liar, Hi, Altman, thanks for putting us in. See
these are all from the Natalie's screenshots the very first

(28:51):
hearing when I got home, I'll find photos on the Facebook.
Just wait, you guys, major news coming soon. I'd be
very happy to break this run turtleble, and so sending
all these pictures from Karen. Hey, guys without okay. And
this is from Karen, Hey, guys, okay, or he guys

(29:13):
without me saying too much. It's very unwise to assume
this wasn't planned. I agree, you mean this murder wasn't planned.
The defense has more bombshells. And this is from Karen
again teaching John a lesson. Was the plan at a minimum? Altman,
Let's lay low for a bit until the next bombshell.

(29:36):
So they're planning out how they're gonna strategize with the police.
So that's this is all Natalie as a intermediary. Let's
see if I can get rid of that. I need
to cool off communicating with you constantly. I begged you

(29:58):
last night. This is Karen to Natalie. Okay. This is
the beginning of the end when she needs to realize
that she doesn't need her anymore. She's talking to Turtle
Boy directly. I need to cool off communicating with you constantly.
I begged you last night to give me the night
to unplug, and then I get literally a dozen more
texts about this documentary and how suddenly the producer is

(30:21):
contacting you and you've inserted yourself into it. This is
the exact opposite of what I asked you to do
to help me out last night. I needed a break
because I had insane day and needed to rest and
to try to clear my head and calm myself down.
You proceed to blow up my phone until close to midnight.
This keeps happening, and I'm incredibly bothered by it. Same

(30:43):
thing with negative comments that I beg people not to
send me, you still had to send me stuff. Please
give it a rest. Please do not reach out until
I contact you again. Karen, I sent her like six
texts is why is everyone such an a hole? Here?
Here I help everyone. I didn't insert myself, Natalie saying,

(31:06):
all I did was ask a client who's a five
time Emmy winner her opinion, and she said all is good.
So I just reporting back to Karen and Turtle Boy
gives it the thumbs up. I just I have done
nothing but defend her from the beginning. Now I might
talk to Brian and show how everything in all this

(31:26):
game about. I can be a son of a bitch too. Hey,
just seeing this now, Turtle Boy says, I'm at the dentist.
What do you mean you can be in s ob
soob he tried calling doesn't matter. Everyone is a jerk.
I can be one two. I cannot believe a one.
I can believe one sends me a text like this

(31:48):
when my heart has always been in the place. This
is such a low blow from her. I'm devastated and humiliated.
I can't talk. I'm too upset. I don't know the
details of your conversation with her, and I'm sorry you're hurt,
says Turtle Boy. You've done a lot to help her.
Let's stay focused, though, like keep helping Karen. This isn't
about me or you or anyone else. It's about me

(32:10):
making money, blood money, and gaining power from this. It's
about a horrible injustice. Yeah right, yeah right, he knows
it's about it. It isn't broad camfe it. He's down
for it. I've never been wrongly charged with murder and
framed by powerful people. So it's hard for me to
relate to whatever emotions she's experiencing. But it sounds like

(32:31):
she's on edge and easily irritated. As a man, I
know that's nothing you say when women are upset will
make them less upset. You called me about the documentary,
I texted Karen said she's uncomfortable about you doing it,
doing the documentary now, and you should slow down to
make sure these people are legit. So I texted my

(32:51):
client Corante Nelson, who is a five time Emmy winner
again a five time Any winner. I asked Koran if
this was legit because I wanted to make sure you
and Karen are in good hands. That's all I did.
I didn't insert myself. I did my job. I promised
you both, or at least I took it as a
promise that when it was documentary time, I would ask

(33:13):
my contacts for advice. Since I'm born and raised in
Los Angeles, the entertainment industry and my clients are my
clients and friends. I didn't insert myself. I even told
and that person is that I didn't want my name
in this. Is that Karen, is that someone else? I say,

(33:36):
it's Karen, someone else that I don't want my name
in this. So at eleven thirty seven Eastern, I text
Karen with my finding that's this, that this is the
real McCoy And if there's anyone else you want to
do a documentary with, it's him. Oh it's so, it's
whoever he's doing the documentary with. I never sent her

(33:58):
negative text. I know you did it. You've been instrumental
in all this and I appreciate and I know she
knows that that and appreciates it. I just think you
have to remember that she's not in a normal state
of mind and hasn't been for seventeen months. So this
is something they do with psychopathic murderers. They so any

(34:22):
of the treatment that so, any of the behavior that
makes you think that they might be the kind of
person that might murder someone, they attribute it to their
being wrongfully arrested, wrongfully convicted, their time in jail, their
time in prison. Even so, like even when someone gets

(34:45):
their conviction overturned, I would say wrongfully and then reoffends.
They don't want you to think that, well, maybe they
did the time, that maybe they this is the second
time that they've killed. They say, Oh, it's all the
time in prison they spent messed up their mind. So

(35:07):
she's acting this way not because it's the kind of
behavior that John O'Keefe saw, the kind of exercise of
power and control. It's just because of her terrible treatment
and wrongful accusations that have been hurled her away. I
stopped sending her screenshots of Proctor's wife back in March,

(35:28):
and she blew up at me for that, But then
in April she asked me to put together a report
for attorneys. You can't take anything, she says, personally, I'm
not done, Patsy. I'm a savvy businesswoman who analyzes and
a strategic about everything. Always with the narcissism on Natalie Woo,
I also have feelings. Nothing is worse than feeling humiliated,

(35:50):
not for a narcissist. Maybe for once, I put myself first.
Now I will. It's showtime, folks. I don't know what
that means. You don't have to. Are you upset with me?
Turtle Boy asks, not at all. Natalie says, I'm devastated
that she wrote such a nasty message. I feel like
a complete fool. Turtle Boy says, Okay, just some of
the language you're using about being in SOB and it's showtime,

(36:13):
it sounds like you're reallynad at her and want revenge.
Maybe I misread that it would be easier to talk.
I don't do revenge, but I'm sure you'll screenshot all
this and send it to her. Why would you say
that about me. I'm not an investigator. I'm a problem solver.
Because if Karen is gonna throw me out of her life,
then why not meet with this documentarian. I don't appreciate

(36:37):
the insinuation that I'm screenshotting our conversations and sending them
to third parties, just like I'm just like it seems
like that's what all Free Karenry does is screenshot their
conversations and send them third party or records their phone
calls and sends them to third parties. I would never
do that to you. I would also never do that

(36:59):
to her because it's a huge distraction from what we're
trying to do here showtime, meaning I'll meet with blank
the sony lot is ten miles from factory and told
that that's where she works and that he hass to
come to me I won't go to Sony. Okay, so
this is can you please talk to Karen about anything?
She's just mad. Then she went back in with Karen.

(37:21):
I can try, but I'm really not comfortable playing mediator.
So that's the way that goes. I feel like it
would be a lot better idea. This on and on
and on and on. So she's just goes on and
on and on and on and on about her feeling bad.

(37:42):
And I don't want to get in the middle because
I'm forty one year olds grown nass man with two
kids to raise, in a business to run, says Turtle Boy.
I work extremely hard and I'm busy. You asked me
several times to contact her on your behalf and I
said no, but you keep asking me. So he's just
trying to whip up hate for Natalie. I wish Karen

(38:04):
would see that I'm trying what I'm trying to do.
She's still loyal to Karen and wants back in, and
she wants to, you know, make things happen and feel
powerful with these Hollywood people. And Natalie is not the
only friend of Karen Reid to have a falling out
with her, but every other adult who has an issue

(38:26):
with Reed had the dignity to just move on with
her life. So he's writing this just after he's had
a falling out with Red and read is or at
least a public falling out. I don't know what's going
on privately. They've had fake falling outs before. Not Natalie, though,

(38:51):
she decided that if she couldn't be Karen's best friend,
she would try to put her in jail. Sometime in
late September or October, Natalie made contact with Nashole Mafia,
who put her in touch with Brian Tully three days
after I arrested Tolly or Kate Peter, who put her

(39:13):
in touch with Brian Tully three days after I was arrested.
Tolly wasn't on a flight to California, where he spent
an hour interviewing Natalie and instantly regretting it because she
wouldn't shut up. Yeah, and they didn't ask her any questions.
They were like, Okay, so you said you didn't do
anything criminal, Okay, see you later. I mean, they didn't
press her at all. They go at the end of

(39:34):
this interview one last question, did you give Karen any money?
I was like, what what? That's your question, did you
have of course she gave Karen money. Is the pope Catholic.
Of course she gave Karen buddy.

Speaker 7 (39:51):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Natalie told Tolly that she called herself the goose that
laid the golden egg because she believes that Karen would
have no public support if it were for her behind
the scenes be our work. I agree. I agree with Natalie.
I believe she is the goose that laid the golden egg.
She said that Karen had touched her. She wished she

(40:14):
had donated to Babies with AIDS instead of the Legal
Defense Fund. She also wouldn't shut up about documentary deals,
her connections to a friend who won five to seven
Emmy Awards. Said that she didn't like me anymore because
I said see you next Tuesday too much. That's not
what she said. She just said that she gave you
some advice not to use that word, and said that

(40:35):
she wanted to get back at me. I didn't hear
that in the interview. How her brother received zero shares
in the family furniture business, I don't know. I've never
heard her say she wanted to get back at aiden. Oh,
she wanted to Oh she did. She said this is
how I got back at him because I got his
She described how she got back at him. She said

(40:57):
she got his advertisement and his logo off a billboard
and made him and said that he had to pay
for the space, and a bunch of other things that
made totally want to off himself. She flat out told
him that she believed Karen Reid was innocent, that Michael
Proctor was corrupt, that Karen was working with me to

(41:19):
expose the Mcalberts for murdering John O'Keeffe, and that, yeah,
she sounds like a person that's brainwashed, totally brainwashed. She
sounds like a deluded cult member. During this interview, Natalie
also handed over her entire phone to Cully so he
could totally so he could download it and read all

(41:41):
the messages between Natalie and I while Natalie was acting
as a messenger for Karen Reid. There were seven pages
referring to Natalie's interview in Tully's search warrant affid David
for Karen Reich's phone, which Tully believes with probable cause
that Karen's conspired with Turtle Boys, talking about it, writing
about himself and the third person to commit witness intimidations.

(42:04):
So here's the search warrant, which I've read before online.
I interviewed Natalie will Week bern Schneider at her workplace
in Gardens, California. Natalie stated she attended Bentley University with
Karen Reid from nineteen ninety eight to twenty twenty two.
She stated she was not close friends with Karen, not

(42:26):
even not close friends. She said she knew of Garen
but had friends in common. Following graduation, Natalie returned to
California and lost touch with Karen. She never was in
touch with Karen, She didn't know her she knew, ever,

(42:47):
Natalie stated, Karen openly shared her defense theories about the cage,
which Natalie stated she believed at the time. Natalie noticed
a woman by the name of Jennifer Altman on social
media who was defending Karen in comments. During this text
message conversation on Eightpril thirteenth, Natalie sent the following message
to Jennifer, the Feds are involved and described how people

(43:11):
were going down. Natalie spoke to Karen about Carney the
following day. Karen told Nally she would like Caen Carney
to report. Shortly after, Karen agreed to work with Carney.
Karen instructed Natalie to download the message apps Signal on
her phone, which she did. Natalie was not familiar with

(43:34):
signal prior to Karen's request. Natalie's understanding of signal was
that it was a more confidential way to communicate, as
the messages could be auto deleted after reading. Natalie described
the arrangement as followed. Karen would send Natalie a message
on signal intended for Carney. Natalie would copy and paste

(43:55):
the message photo video document into a text message to Varney.
On several occasions, Natalie would take a screenshot of the
signal messages from Karen and said Carney the screenshot, Natalie
stated she would send information to two phone numbers she
used by Carney. Natalie stated the content of the messages

(44:18):
shared by Karen to her were Karen's defense of the charges,
including information regarding witnesses, the home address of Trooper Michael Proctor,
pictures of witnesses, autopsy photographs, motions filed by her attorneys,
police reports, photographs taken by the Massachusetts State Crime Service Section,

(44:41):
and feedback about Carney's blog posts, social media and videos.
This arrangement began on about April seventeenth. A check of
the text messages on Natalie's phone confirmed Natalie's statements. It
appeared most of the messages sent by Natalie were authored
by Karen. For example, messages would start tell TB from

(45:04):
Karen or not for the public, but you and Aiden
can see. On April twenty second, twenty twenty three, Natalie
messages Carne, we are grateful for you. Carne response, it's
my job glad to help. Karney would frequently check with
Karen through Natalie if he could use a piece of

(45:24):
material sent to him in his blogs and videos, to
which Karen would respond to what he could use. One
example of materials sent to Karney but not to be
shared in the public is the nine to one one
call reporting John O'Keefe's discovery on January twenty ninth, twenty
twenty two. This audio file was sent to Carne along

(45:45):
with the message do not share. Other examples include messages
sent by Natalie to Carney urgent do not publish anything
from report on Julie Nagel and make it clear he
didn't get it from us. But this is not just
also she shared, I mean this is a new blog

(46:07):
by Innocent Fraud watch, but she brings up this is
not just so. Jessica Leslie, she says, got convicted of
sharing sealed grand jury information to unauthorize individuals. But on
July thirteenth, twenty twenty three, referring to a July thirteenth

(46:33):
meeting at the Omni Seaport Hotel in Boston between Gretchen Voss,
Boston Magazine, Alan Jackson, and Karen Reid, Judge Beverly Canoed's
Cononi stated the following. In her March seventh, twenty twenty
five memorandum, she says, during the Voss interview, the defendant

(46:55):
Karen Reid, with attorney Alan Jackson seated at her side,
told the reporter about witness testimony from the defendants sealed
grand jury proceedings. Specifically, while discussing Voss's recent visits to
the Waterfall Bar and Grill, the defendant stated that the

(47:17):
bartender that works there Jad testified before the grand jury.
After further conversation, the defendant then told Voss the substance
of witness testimony before the grand jury. The requirement. The

(47:38):
requirements that the grand jury proceedings remain secret is deeply
rooted in the common law of the Commonwealth in order
to protect the process from extraneous influences. Well, you didn't
do a very good job of that. Protecting the process
from extraneous influences, Judgekenoni, protect individuals from notoriety and disgrace,

(48:03):
protect witnesses from intimidation and subordination, and encourage the free
and full disclosure of information concerning commissions of a crime.
Although Attorney Jackson did not himself disclose information about the
grand jury proceedings to the reporter, he had two opportunities

(48:28):
to intervene to prevent his client from disclosing such information. Instead,
he sat idly by while his client disclosed to reporter
the testimony from the grand jury proceedings. So this is
just I mean, what they're describing here is like a

(48:52):
criminal enterprise between these people. Urgent.

Speaker 11 (48:59):
Okay, is there anyway I can get this close? Let
me say, oh, here, I say.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
It, okay. Carne would frequently check with Karen if he
could you okay. Carney then said, could you walk me
through what these are? So in another exchange on May six,
Carney texted five photographs that appear to be pictures taken
by CSSs of Karen's car including the tail light. Carney

(49:31):
then asked, can you walk me through what these are?
A later message from Natalie appears to be in response
to the pictures. Can you ask him if he can
get those photos from the court. I'm not just positive
they are public, Carney responded, and how did she get them?
Natalie responded, they're in discovery, and I'm not sure they're public.

(49:53):
I am the accused aiden. Carney later attempts to confirm
he cannot talk about photos on his and then he
cuts that part off. He cuts that part off. On
on April twenty ninth, Carne asked if he can talk

(50:16):
about or use different materials on his YouTube show. Natalie,
acting as intermediary with Carne, responds to Carne, make it
clear he didn't get it from us, but don't show
the exhibits. Just read them and please do not share
the title. It has Yanetti's initials in it.

Speaker 12 (50:33):
Dry.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
That's what David Yanetti's initials are dry, referencing David R. Yanetti.
In mid May, Carney sent Natalie a picture of himself
wearing a T shirt depicting a Google search bar with
a phrase haslong to Die in the cold of reference
to a piece of evidence in the Commonwealth versus read.

(50:55):
Natalie responded that she will ask Karen if he can
wear it to court. Later tells Carney is okay to
wear T shirts? How long to die in the cold?
I got the okay, Carney responded, Really, he asked Alan,
an apparent reference to one of Karen Reid's attorneys, Alan Jackson.
Natalie responded she replied absolutely. Carney was seen wearing the

(51:17):
T shirt at the July twenty fifth court date, as
shown in the pictures above. Of course, of over the
course of the text message conversations, Natalie forward's personal information
and pictures of many of the name witnesses, including Jennifer McCabe,
Chris Albert, and Colin Albert. In one part of the conversation,

(51:37):
Karney wrote, anything else I should talk about that? I
haven't hit in the blogs yet. Feel like I'm out
of new material. So I mean, what an independent investigator
just going the right to the defense and to Karen,
right to the accuse killer? What can I write about?

(51:57):
Natalie stated a second person was at is an intermediary
between Karen and Carne. John Silvera. That statement is coroborated
by several text messages between Okay. On several occasions, Carney
questions Karen's defense theories. In one such case, on April
twenty third, Karney does not understand how Karen knows Colin

(52:20):
Albert was at thirty four Favy Road when John O'Keeffe arrived.
Karne sends a message, Hey, you need to talk to
you asap. It's really important me for to know Colin
was in use. Natalie, as an intermediar, sends a message

(52:44):
and Turtaboy can't say. The defense has a source that
Colin was there. It is important for us in TB.
Carney responds, need to talk emergency. While I'm starting to
lose confidence Colin was in that house and I'm freaking out.
Natalie sent the message and then you know they lost
complete confidence because they weren't allowed to argue it. It's

(53:04):
the second trial at all. Natalie sent the message. Brian
and Nicole and Chris and Julie all testified he was there.
But I can't send OJ out g OJ g J
testimony because it's sealed. Carney continued to ask questions. Natalie replied,
she's signaling you and check your signal. During the interview,

(53:35):
Natalie discusses a May third court date for Karen's criminals
Kate case. Carney requested for someone to save him a
seat in the courtroom. Karen arranged a seat for Carney.
On April twenty third, Carney sent the message to Natalie,
I'm excited and honored that her parents would want to

(53:55):
sit next to me in court. The seat arrangement is
described in a sorry an amazed second message sent by
Natalie acting as intermediary. I've tried to coordinate TV John Donnie.

(54:16):
My parents have a full role with the full row,
with their lawyer, my brother Ingrid he can sit behind them.
Natalie recalled Carney being invited to lunch. I mean, it
goes on. It's all the stuff that we've heard in
the interview, but he's just going on to say so.

(54:41):
The incident that occurred on the twenty third has nothing
to do with phone being seized. This week, reads the
new attorney, Steve Buzang was back in court arguing Emotion
to have her phone's return, which was opposed by Robert
Cosgrove because he wanted to conduct a second grand jury
to indict her on charge of of a conspiracy conspiracy

(55:02):
to commit witness intimidation. Turtle Boy himself is saying, is writing,
it did not go well. It certainly didn't go well
for Karen Reid. She's not getting her phones back, and
I think they're very worried about what's going to be
discovered on Karen Reid's phones. And I think this is
the beginning of this managing this. None of this would

(55:26):
be happening if not for Natalie. Unlike many who have
joined the side of the of the O'Keefe or the
or the non supporter side, she fully believes Karen Reid
is innocent. I don't know what How does he know
what Natalie's beliefs are now she was on the witness list.

(55:46):
Her betrayal and desire to hurt both Karen Turtleboy stems
entirely from the fact that neither of us wanted to
be friends with her. See, so he makes it like
a personal thing. It's not that she realized that she
was bamboo and should have given her money to something else,
in her time, to something else. It's that this is
all a personal slight. It's not that the personal slight

(56:09):
made her wake up. This is why it's way worse
than all of them. She isn't trying to protect her
family like Chris Albert, nor was she suffering from turtle
boyd derangement syndrome, which I don't even know what that is.
She couldn't accept a role where she sat back and
supported Karen privately. If she wasn't going to be part
of history, if Karen Read's best friend, then she wasn't

(56:30):
going to make history another way. No, okay, So what
happened was that she was going to be charged ridg
who's gonna be charged with witness harassment? It was a
cooperating witness. So that's why he has hatred towards her.
Ah yeah, yeah, But I love that how he paints
it like I was writing a story and they just

(56:52):
helped me out. That's how it started. It's just writing
a story in the beginning, and then coincidentally I got
connected with Karen Reid and her defense team. I wrote
was writing a story anyway. Now he's fed the story
by Karen Reid's defense team, and that's it's really important.

(57:14):
How everybody knows that this started. Does anybody have any questions?
So this is the beginning of the finger pointing before
Karen Reid's phone gets leaked. They're already, like Karen Reid's

(57:36):
supporters are already let me see if I can find this,
already saying that they're not worried that nothing, that nothing's
going to be found of any coincidence on Karen Reid's phones.
That's why she's constantly constantly saying, you know, putting out motions.

(58:10):
I'm gonna take a quick break and I will be
back in one minute. Don't go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
My check.

Speaker 13 (58:28):
Roberta strides through the static case true crime got them
where the shadows play their place, frauds to fold when
a spotlight beams, stack focused, queen busting, propaganda schemes, glass shadow,
lies that goes through the streets, standing for victims, giving
voice that beats, and y c post truth Sharp at night,
Roberta exposes she's an ANTSI froud light partast warrior, dissecting

(59:03):
Satan's defense, twisted innocense claims, breaking pretense. Gotham's truth Seeker
cuts clean with the blade facts in the forefront, No
justice gets swayed. Cold facts drip heavy, real talk, gun furls,
cracking cases open like oysters with pearls, innocense, emmicks crumbled,
the dust in the wind for victims, her creed justice

(59:24):
till the end, headphones blazing, she drops heavy artillery. Now
its twisted meat, blunt objects, civility. Roberta got receipts that unraveled,

(59:44):
deploy exposing the lies, these frauds that deploy glass shadows,
lies that goes through the streets, standing for victims, giving
voice their beats and was speed pulse truth, sharpest knight
for Erda exposeding she's the anti fraud light.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Oh okay, I am back. So I mean, you know,
they're saying, let me see if I can share this.
It's just like something it's such a funny, short, sunny

(01:00:57):
spirit made about this done.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
I feel very confident, confidently that there's not going to
be anything on these downloads of the phones that are
gonna cause cause a stir or cause any harm or
legal jeopardy to her.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Yeah, yeah, nothing nothing to causes stir. Nothing. They're very confident.
That's why Karen's, you know, asking for them again and
again and again. Ay yay, she wants them back. They
thought they had a winning argument. It was a great hearing.

(01:01:39):
Does it look like the judge was gonna go in
her favor, and it turned very quickly. It's like Robert
Cosgrove sat on it, sat on the case law and
let them let the judge, and he says, well, it
would be good for Karen Reid if that were the
case law, but unfortunately it's not. That's what the case

(01:02:00):
law you're using is when there's no warrant. We had
a warrant for her cell phone, so we can keep
them as long as we want. That's the way that
hearing went down. I don't know if you caught it.
If you haven't caught it, it's on my channel, the
Zoom call that is on my channel. Hey Taterbug log day. Yeah,

(01:02:21):
it has been a long day I've been on here.
I think I'm gonna keep it short tonight. But I
did want to deal with that because I thought it was,
you know, turtle boys desperately just trying to point the finger,
trying to kind of stir up hate away from himself.
It's the same. And why bring it up is it's
the same tactic that Karen Reid used in her trial,

(01:02:45):
and it's the same tactic she used on the morning
of the twenty ninth. There was no need to bring
in Jen McKay and Carrie Roberts. If she was really
worried about John O'Keefe, she could have called nine one
one herself, or she could have gone herself to the
clearly the last place she left him and where she

(01:03:06):
knew he was. She led Jen McCabe and Carry Roberts
there and saw him immediately in the snow when no
one else did, and pretended to discover him and put
on all those theatrics. But she needed Jen McCabe, she
needed Carrie Roberts. She needed these people to be brought

(01:03:27):
into the mix to deflect away from herself. And that's
what we see Aidan Carney doing. He's bringing in all
these new characters to stir up hate, to deflect away
from his own behavior in this Just forget that I
taped Karen Reid's phone calls without her knowledge. Doesn't seem

(01:03:50):
to be going away, And the other thing that's not
going away is Karen Reid's phones. But does are we
gonna see charges? I mean, I really feel like these
characters are above the law now. They made themselves saints
in Massachusetts. I don't know, it's gonna be hard to
get a conviction against any of them. Are they gonna

(01:04:13):
have any any more luck? Second time round with a
grand jury, state grand jury charging Karen Reid first time.
I don't know who was on that state grand jury,
right they said, no, they're gonna have any luck next

(01:04:35):
time with Karen Reid's phone messages on her phone. We'll
see And why do it now? I don't know. I
think they should be worried about other people repeating this
kind of innocence fraud in their state, not suggesting they

(01:04:56):
shouldn't go forward in charge Karen Reid with everything that
they can. But I would say, hurry up, hurry up,
because soon her book deals are coming out, or movie
or documentary or movie whatever they're gonna make. I guess
it's a movie with Elizabeth Banks. It's the star playing

(01:05:17):
Karen Reid. I mean, she will be a She will
be untouchable by the end of this. These intrad campaigns
are very convincing. All right, that's what I have for today.
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