Karen Read Stirs the Pot!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, just to be clear, you didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
You all know if John was beaten up and attacked
in that house, who did it?

Speaker 1 (00:13):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
We don't know, and it's not for us to know.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Somebody other than Karen. Somebody other than Karen is responsible
for that, for the killing of John. You are listening
to the ROBERTA.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Glass True Crime Report putting the true back in true crime.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
From New York City.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
ROBERTA. Glass is now on the record.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh okay, why am I all the way over here?
That's better? That's better. Hello Monica, Hello she Fly nine,
Hello Truth and Justice. Happy Saturday. I hope everybody's doing well.
I wanted to come on here. Hey Dater, thanks for moderating.

(01:34):
Hi Christina, I wanted to talk about the current drama.
Is that what you call it? Drama? In Free Karen
Reid between Karen Reid and Aiden Turtleboy Carneie. Karen Reid

(01:58):
has released a kiss off text message to Aiden turtle
Boy that dropped, and today we're going to examine the
text message and talk about what everyone is getting wrong
about the breakup between Aiden Turtleboy Carney and accused killer
Karen Reid. And so let's start with the text message,

(02:22):
shall we.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
So this.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Came down on well on x okay, not only did
you illegally record me and lie about it, but Aiden

(02:52):
Caarney's been saying that he records his calls forever. So
you doubled down and flat out made fun of me.
You said you sold out the Wilbur and I live
with my parents, mocking that I lost my home to

(03:13):
fight for my freedom. You know, it's hard to talk
about that in context that John O'Keefe lost his life
because Karen Reid viciously took it. That I have a

(03:38):
loving that I have loving, cool parents that I want
to spend time with. How about the part where you
repeatedly asked me to do the Wilbur with you and
I turned it down. How about the fact that you
lived on a couch until my case came malone and

(04:01):
you were able to move forward and get a life
of your own because of my case. Question Mark, I've
never treated you anywhere close to this, never made fun
of you, never shared screen shots or recordings. I've realized
you've actually just realizing you're actually just a nasty, hateful,

(04:23):
negative person taking shots at me purely because you can,
because you know I'm limiting to you know, I'm limiting
to who and where I speak. Enjoy screenshotting this message.
Make sure everyone sees it so they know the real you.

(04:47):
So that's Karen Reid talking to Aiden Turtle Boy Carney.
I mean she's playing the victim there. Hey, Dane Walker,
thanks so much. Really appreciate all the support. Like I said,
this is a smaller channel. I really do count on
my subscribers and my listeners, so I appreciate it. Thanks

(05:15):
for the supersticker. All right. Back to Karen Reid and
Aiden Carney. It's a lot of poor me, poor me,
I thought, for my freedom. I'm just finding out about
the real you now, not that I purposely found someone

(05:39):
who would do all these things for me. I found
a proxy who would go and do all the things
that I wanted. Harassed witnesses call the victims family names,
turn everybody against all all the really important witnesses in

(06:01):
this case, make me look like the victim. Not that
it's just that I'm just finding out about your dark
and dangerous personality. You notice that never during the course
of any time did her lawyers or Karen Reid come
out and say, like to the public or to Aiden Carney, Hey,

(06:24):
do not harass witnesses, don't treat the victim's family, treat
the O'Keefe's well, treat the witness as well. You can
support Karen Reid, but you can do it without harassing
the witnesses or going after the victim's family. Well, the
reason they didn't do that, I think a reasonable person

(06:47):
would conclude is because it was helpful to them. And
I would go even further and say my opinion that
it was not just helpful to them, it was their strategy.
I mean, I think a reasonable person would conclude that.

(07:08):
So enough of the poor me, poor me, poor me,
I was done so wrong. But some of them, I mean,
Aiden was discarded when he was no longer useful to
Karen Reid. I mean, let's look at all psychopaths like
Karen Reid are also narcissists. So let's look at why

(07:36):
narcissists would discard you. You're starting to see through them. No,
they've always seen through each other. They're just there are
two peas in a pod. They're exactly like each other.
There's not. I mean, it really reminds me of the
scientologists who say, you know, modern scientology is bad, but

(08:01):
l Ron Hubbard is good. No, everything comes from l
Ron Hubbard. So here everything comes from Karen Reid. So
you can't say Turtle Boy's bad. Karen Reid's great. I
think your first clue is she's an accused murderer. I mean,
that's got to be your first Gilab, you set boundaries,

(08:21):
you stopped being useful number three, Ding ding Ding, You
held them accountable. No, they found a new supply, very
much like how Karen Reid looked to discard John O'Keefe
at the end, was in the process of discarding him him.

(08:43):
Was finding a new supply with Brian Higgins or tried
to your admiration, Waned. They want to regain power, ding
ding Ding. It's always about power and control and Karen Reid.
There's certainly rumors going around that there's some federal investigation

(09:05):
into Karen Reid and Karen Reid's phone. I don't know.
I'm skeptical. I feel like we're the other side waiting
for the Feds to come. I just I'm gonna be
skeptical and I'll be pleasantly surprised if it happens. But

(09:26):
I don't think so. I just think they're above the law.
I don't know how we're gonna how any grand jury
is gonna indict Karen Reid or aid In Garney at
this point. That's how I see it, truth and justice.

(09:50):
Thanks so much for the supersticker, Tammy, Thanks for being
a member. I'm missing you.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Nice to see you, Pat stick Izsi. So that's what's
going on with that pretty interesting discarded right, discarded him.
But they're already starting to create conspiracy theories that it's

(10:20):
really Meredith O'Neill, Aiden Carney's ex who asked Meredith so
Aiden Kearney asked Meredith to lie about these recordings and
their existence doesn't really make any sense. But here's Jess
Meccado's show. She's talking about how Meredith O'Neill recorded on

(10:44):
her Apple Watch. Take a listen. From what I remember,
there were a lot of slams from.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Karen to Aiden in the audio.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I'm not saying she shouldn't.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
I'm just saying, like.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Maybe the person that was holding on to a war
released it. Yeah, that's my opinion. So there we go.
She thinks that it's this is this is going around,
So we've gone from it's AI. So Karen confirming that

(11:19):
it's not Ai. Aiden Carney never said it was a I.
Karen Reads never said it's Ai. Here's the JFK show
has gone from now. They've also seemed to have turned
on Aiden Carney since making nice with him, and are

(11:39):
warning him he's gonna lose all his innocence, fraud, money,
take take a take a listen.

Speaker 8 (11:45):
By the end of this, if you guys think, if
you guys think for one minute that you guys know
all the truth, I don't care what recording comes out,
because wait till we get our recorded of what really
is going on.

Speaker 7 (11:58):
All right, So if I was if I was TV,
and this is not a threat, if I was TV,
I would call off all the dogs. I would tell
everybody to fall back, and I would just kind of
just like chill out.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
That's what I would do if I was.

Speaker 8 (12:11):
Saying, but hey, keep it going, man, keep rolling.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
Everybody up, JFK. Everybody keep it up, Go ahead, and
you know what we're gonna keep talking about it right,
and it's not gonna age well for you TV because
your peers. It doesn't matter about the people you got in.

Speaker 8 (12:27):
Your chat, my man.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
It's the peers man, the Dave portnoise, the Howie cause,
the people at the WILBA. When they find out what
you're really about, what you did to Karen, they're not
gonna with you, man. They're gonna with your money, not
this YouTube money. We're talking about wilbur money. Think about that, man,
Think about.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
It, kay Hey, think about it. Think about it. The
really big money is not. I mean, this will tell
you what this well. I mean, people ask why so
many people jumped on this because it's a moneymaker like
no other innocent fraud campaigns are always big money makers.

(13:11):
And I will tell you that.

Speaker 9 (13:14):
I know.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
The accent right this side of the aisle is not.
I mean, because there's.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
There's people.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
You get really invested in the drama. Something's always going
on for this side. What can happen Karen Reid at
this point, Karen Reid could be convicted civilly, or there
could be some other kind of new charges coming down federally.
That's the two options. But she can't be charged again

(13:48):
criminally for the murder of John O'Keefe. That's off the table.
So see, so let's see you're gonna sure. I don't know.
I hear hearing some people say they want to repeal
double jeopardy laws. Good luck with that. That's never going

(14:10):
to happen. So I thought we'd look at some of
some of the history of how this started. And it
goes a little bit into We talked about Jessica Leslie yesterday,

(14:30):
who was the grand jury juror jury leaker. So she
leaked information about what about people's grand jury testimony to
Aiden Carney through her friend, and Karen Reid always wanted

(14:56):
that and they use that information. So they used information
that was leaked illegally to spin their innocence fraud campaign.
But so much of this happened with another person that
now that Karen Reid discarded Natalie Bernschneider, were weaki So

(15:19):
she got upset. I mean the way it ended is
that Karen Reid said, like, you called me too much
when you said leave me alone, you're called contacting me
too much, and then she started calling Aiden directly. I mean,
we can listen. I thought we'd revisit the whole history
of how that happened. So, I mean, if we're gonna

(15:40):
look at it how Aiden and Karen Reid got together,
you have to look no further than Natalie Bernschneider. Were
weaki and the who was the middle woman between the
two and had gone to Bentley College with Karen years

(16:03):
ago and got this idea that she was going to
spearhead this innocence fraud campaign. And she actually references this
is her police interview. She actually references Scott Peterson and
how and how the Scott Peterson, you know, the Innocence

(16:23):
Project is trying to free him now, how they're how
how the media around that case works. So she's very
familiar with the media that comes out of these innocence
fraud campaigns, and so much of this was created from
her brain, from her imagination. So take a listen to

(16:46):
the to the interview. This is Natalie burnched down a
wiki was the go between between Karen Reid and Aiden
Turtleboy Carney talking to the police.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Take a listen, Alumni Bentley.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
When I'm starting on October seventeenth, twenty twenty three, at
twelve forty one, we are here at Guardina California at
the Gina Berschneider, Inc.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Factory. Present is Brian Teller, Master's State Police.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Nelson Gigovale Special.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
And Natalie Burschneider. We went Alumnia Bentley University.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Great, and Natalie, you understand that you're talking to us
here in this recording after receiving a profit letter from
Ken Mellow, Yes, indicating that if you are truthful and
honest here in this conversation, you would get an immunity.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Letter to follow. Yes, okay, great, So why do we
start from the beginning? And I know that we've already spoken.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I've always been skeptical of this interview. I've never felt
that she was totally honest, and I can't believe they
didn't follow up with or interviews with her. I don't
know if they did, they'd never come out, but it
seems like they she just says what she says in
this interview and they never really challenge. It seems like

(18:13):
when things get really criminal, she doesn't know. She's unsure.
I don't know, I'm a skeptic here. And then I mean,
and then she was so afraid of Aiden that she
didn't talk. I mean, she had a such a wealth
of information that hadn't been put in the public domain

(18:35):
as to how free Karen Reid worked. And when she
realized that she'd been duped and Karen was guilty, she
just hid and she was on the witness list. This
is another thing that Hank Brennan never called her to
the stand. None of this ever came in. It was

(18:56):
only about none of the innocence fraud that Karen read,
which really came into the courtroom in so many other ways.
I said it at the time, I was really critical
and I'll still be critical of Hank Brennan for not
bringing it in. For some reason, they thought, well, it's
going to be too long, or keep it too long,

(19:18):
we're going to tire out the juror why not bring
it in. I think Natalie Brinch and I were week
he should have been brought in as a witness. Ditto
Aiden Carney. I don't know it was he said he
was going to take the fits, so they couldn't but
bring in Natalie. Why not Boken?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
And but you know, for the purpose of recording and
for Nelson kind of what's your relationship with Karen Reid?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Where was it in the past?

Speaker 5 (19:45):
So we went to Bentley College.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
It was college when we went from nineteen ninety eight
and I went from nineteen ninety eight to two thousand.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I'll put the whole thing up for you, ash Tara.
I'll put the whole thing up for you. As soon
as I finished this live stream, I'll put it up
on my channel so you can watch the whole thing.
We're going to do most of it today, but there's
a lot that's not really relevant on the second half,

(20:18):
so I'll put it up if people want to listen
to it.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
In two and Karen graduated in two thousand and one,
a year early because she was very smart and very
studious and got all her credits early, which then she
stayed at Bentley and got her master's. I guess in finance.
I was not friends with her per se, Like we

(20:44):
didn't really know each other on campus, but we knew
of each other because we hung out with the same
sorority sisters even though we were both not in the
same sorority, and we went to the same frat parties.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
And that was it.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
And then like, of course I would see her at
the library. She studied a lot, She was at the
library a lot, and then when Everything came about in
February of twenty twenty two, and some friends from college
were texting me like, oh my god, did you read this?

(21:23):
And when I read it, I was like, oh my god,
poor thing, Like this is an accident, like you know
she was drunk to hit him.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
So I reached out to her on Facebook.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
I would say, I don't know the exact date, if
it was March.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
And this is a narrative. I mean, no doubt that
she was over the legal limit, way over. But if
you listen to my interview with Brendan Kane, it was
a John O'Keefe's friend of forty years he went out
drinking with Karen, and he said they drank all day

(22:01):
and all night till ten thirty at night, and you
could barely tell police who were trained to look for it.
No one said that morning she looked that drunk. I say,
it doesn't touch the sides. I think the drinking as
a motivation for this, and even people on this side

(22:22):
were like, oh, she was so drunk and angry. I
think Karen Reid's personality has more to do with it
than the alcohol. That's where I come from on this.
I mean, the rumors popping up again that Karen Reid
held a knife to a boyfriend's neck, that she set

(22:43):
another ex boyfriend's car on fire. Is it true or
is it just a rumor. We've never seen any kind
of police reports anything for that, even any kind of
anyone come forward to say, not one ex boyfriend has

(23:06):
coming forward. Isn't that odd? Isn't that really odd? I
always found that really odd. Then one ex boyfriend and
came forward and supported Karen, was like, no, not Karen Reid.
This has to be a police conspiracy, a fifty person
cover up. Not that Karen Reid I knew. Isn't that odd?

(23:29):
And even her friends who came forward were very silent,
didn't give interviews.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
April or May of twenty twenty two, but I reached
out to her, and I don't have that message saved.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
I don't have that message saved.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
But I wrote to her something along the lines of,
don't blame yourself, don't beat yourself up, Mistakes happen, forgive yourself,
you know. And then she wrote back something along the
lines like, oh my god, can we talk? So we
spoke on the phone. I gave her my number and

(24:07):
we spoke on the phone, and she said, you know
this was a setup. I didn't do this, And she
told me that, you know that that morning she was
so confused, like could I have hit him? Like did
I maybe clip him? Was he running after my car?
And did I hit him without knowing? But then eventually

(24:32):
she told me that a fellow by the name of
Scanlon came into Yanetti's office like a few days after
she was arrested and was like, she didn't hit anybody.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
A fight broke out in that house.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
And so from there the pieces started coming together from
her private investigators. And I think, because I'm so far
away in Los Angeles, I was kind of.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Like her diary.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
So I would say, like thirty percent of our relationship
was about her case and the other seventy percent was
friendly stuff like she would paint her guest room and say,
what do you like this wall color?

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Or do you like this side table?

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Or I would cook dinner and send her pictures of
what I just cooked, or she would do the same,
and then she'd say, oh, my parents are over for dinner,
and she would take a picture of her parents and
say like, aren't my parents adorable?

Speaker 3 (25:39):
And send it to me and how are you communicating
at this point.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
I'm pretty sure it was on signal. I never communicated
with her on regular text.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
And why signal, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
I didn't question that.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
But that came from care.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
She didn't question that. She knows why someone asked you
to download an app? Why do you want to? Because
it's awfully damning? When Karen says so, it can't be traced,
and then they would ask her, well, why didn't Why
were you worried about being traced? Because we were going
to get up to some suss stuff, some possibly maybe

(26:20):
criminal stuff, and I was down for it. Oh that
doesn't make you look too good. I didn't question it. Strangely,
this wasn't the same answer Arca gave on the stand.

(26:40):
Wolf Right, the expert or expert witness who was communicating
through Karen and her legal team via signal where it's
set on to auto delete, they couldn't hand over any
of their communication, any of their text messages, any of
their emails, or only like a few of their emails

(27:01):
because everything else had been deleted by all of them.
Definitely not to sandbag the prosecution. If the prosecution had
done that, that would have been a Brady violation and
Karen would have walked. But for the defense, it was
like a slap on the wrist and then we got
like a pointless wadier. Basically, Judge Canoni was the worst

(27:27):
judge for this.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
She was like.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Another arm of the defense. Thanks Stammy. Turtle Boy asked
me to send you this for your kiddie fund. Oh,
thank you very much, very generous of you. It's for
Kitty door though. Thank you, roberta great work, your best
flat out this is oh my gosh, hold on one second,

(27:55):
that's flat out number tater ysl and chat's so smart.
I do have the smartest jet on on YouTube. I
think i'm biased cool tool access to them. This is
the best view view of nat rgu had long ago.

(28:17):
You are right. I did play this long ago. See
Tammy's got the super eye. We knew because of you.
Thank you. I did talk about Natalie Burnschard, but I
think it's important to remember where all this comes from.
And then she also talks about leaking material, leaked material

(28:38):
from the Grand juror. So we're going to go all
up to that and Karen Read's reaction, Oh, we want
if people want to leak stuff, we want as much
info as possible. I mean, Sean on the golf it
was like it was the Facebook moderator was like, we

(28:58):
don't want any of this lea info. We don't want
to get illegally. We don't want to be part of
any kind of illegal conspiracy to leak grand jury information.
Karen Read's like, keep it coming, don't delete that stuff. Well,
I want to. I'll use anything legal means are illegal means,

(29:23):
And that was her added todd to towards turtle Boy,
where you can go over the search warrant for Karen
Reid's phones that I mean that lists, that lists all
of turtle Boy's actions. And I mean the fact that
she has two phones should clue you in right away.

(29:46):
I mean, she's not working. What does she need two
phones for. I mean, this is just so the way
shady people operate. Two phones, multiple identities, multiple accounts.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yes, I didn't even know what signal was. And she
would call it the Funky Fresh app or sometimes she
would text me on regular text and say, hey, you
want to jump on the Funky Fresh app? And then
she would send me stuff like that, and then other
innocent things like I have these indoor fig trees their

(30:22):
elephant ear trees are called, and I would do it
before and after photos where my tree would be dusty,
I would take a before photo and then I would
spray it and I would wipe down all the leaves
and I would trim any.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I mean, they look at how far they went with
this innocent fraud narrative. It's definitely the elephant ear fig
tree photos that they were spending all their time on,
not on spending an innocent fraud campaign and enlisting people
like Aiden Garney to get on board. No, we were

(31:00):
really just like, you know, showing her my plants and
talking about what's on Netflix, doing that of like.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
The dead leaves, and then I would send her after photos.
So a lot of our friendship.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Was like that. And then she got upset.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
With me once because I, you know, in the beginning,
I didn't know who was who. There were so many names,
and like, I really didn't know who was who. But
I noticed that there was a woman who we all
know now by the name of Elizabeth Proctor, and she
would always do laughing emojis on all of the news.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
The Boston news sites.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
And this is before Aiden, this is this is September
twenty twenty two October twenty twenty two November, and I
would send her screenshots and I would be like, what's
this lady's problem? She's so adamant, like it just doesn't stop.

(32:04):
And Karen was like, Natalie, I wish you and my
friends would stop sending me negative negativity stuff. You know,
I have enough negativity in my life. I wish you
guys would just stop.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
And I was like, whoa you know.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
So then the next day she was like, actually, you
know all those screenshots who sent me yesterday, something along
the lines of that's actually Officer Procter's wife.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
Can you email Yanetti those?

Speaker 4 (32:35):
So I emailed them to Yanetti as individual screenshots, and
then she got back to me and she goes, Yanetti's
not computer savvy. Can you actually do it in a
PDF in order? So I did that, and so I
put on a PDF so all he has to do is.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Open so we can harass, harass her and intimidate her
and make her husband public enemy number one? Can you
got those photos went up?

Speaker 5 (33:01):
One thing? And if they're all there? And so that
was like one time she snapped at me. And then.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
I noticed a lady by the name of Jennletman, and
she was the only one standing up for Karen. And
I would laugh with Karen because for months we had
her eye on her and we would laugh and I
would say, she's like the white female Tupac Chapur, like
so outspoken cheerleader.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
And I was like, Karen, do you know her? And
She's like, I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Who she is.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
And I was like, well, she's the only one standing
up for you.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Just a little interesting history note, Tupac shakur godmother was
Asada Shakur, who was on FBI's most Wanted list killed
a police officer and then and then went to prison
for it and was broken out by the Weather Underground.

(34:00):
I mean his connection to the Black Panthers if you
know their criminal history. So I think it's just an
interesting that that's what she She picks out another criminally
aligned celebrity to align Jen Altman with.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
So like we were watching her and we would laugh
and we would, you know, make jokes like that she's
a little bit too freezing or whatever, and we decided,
like I said to Karen, I said, do you mind
if I reach out to Altman and thank her because
it's kind of nicer her, she doesn't even know you,
and she's the only one not calling you a cop killer.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
And she was like, by all means? So I wrote
to Altman.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
And I'm just getting my text, I said, and I
got this approval from Karen, and Karen told me what
to send. So I said, first, I want to thank
you for standing up for Karen. She's a friend of
mine since college and this whole thing is a nightmare.

(35:12):
And then I sent her a picture of Procter.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Didn't she just say that she didn't know Karen. They
only knew of each other in college. Did you just
all hear Natalie Burnschneider were WEEKI say that, okay? Was
everyone listening? Where your ears open? When she says that,
Now she's telling Jen Oleman that Karen and she have
been friends since college. I've known of her since college.

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I guess it doesn't sound as good.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Her with those three kids, because Karen said send that,
and I wrote, this is lead Detective Michael Procter and
Jennifer McCabe's children.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
Elizabeth Procter is his wife.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
My guess is that a fight out in the house
and it went too far.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
They beat.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Well Tupac Shakura. Yes, was very talented Tammy, but he
also went to prison for assault of a woman. People
forget that, but yeah, very talented. I'm a big digital
underground fan. I'm aging myself, but so that's where he started.

(36:34):
So yeah, definitely, but very much. His family is very
much aligned with the PAN and it.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Went too far. In the autopsy photos, it's obvious he
was beat up so badly, and also the homeowner's German
shepherd chewed up his arms.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Thank you for standing up for us.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Then Altman writes back to me, something was very fishy,
and I thought that from the beginning. I'm also glad
they got this evidence and I'm praying it works out
for her.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
What can I do to help? And then I wrote on.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
April thirteenth, this is all. April thirteenth, I wrote, You've
been incredible. I see your comments on all the news articles.
You're standing up to family members of these cops who
beat him up and tossed his body in the snow to.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
Freeze to death.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
I wish I could tell you the details, but it
will slowly come out.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
I told Karen about you and how we need to make.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I thought that was interesting too, because didn't aid and
say to everybody that the truth will slowly come out.
Karen Reid said the same thing about the recorded phone calls,
that the truth will slowly come out, So I will
be controlling the narrative when I can better manipulate. This
is all from Karen and Natalie's imagination.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
T shirts that say altman the Badass, and then I
wrote the FEDS are involved. So soon the officers and
nephew of the homeowner who beat him up, the officer
who stood guard as they tossed his body in the
snow bank in front of the house, and the sister

(38:26):
in law of the homeowner who googled how long it
takes to die in the poll will be brought down.
Even the homeowner's German shepherd, who chewed John's arms during
the fight, will be brought down. They gave the German
shepherd away, their houses for sale in escrow or sold

(38:46):
by Now it will all come out.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
This is.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's like every free Karen Reid talking point doesn't matter
that the Feds didn't come, There is no dog DNA,
that the dog had nothing to do with it. These
are all the talking points they two twenty seven time
search was debunked. It was actually Karen asking Jen McKay

(39:17):
to google that it's six twenty seven. I think this
is off the top of my head. Now I'm losing
all these dates now, all these times. But I thought
it was six Was it six? Right before six thirty
in the morning. Twice she tried, I mean they have

(39:47):
spun this. I mean, this is the all the early
talking points. We got a federal investigation going to make
it look like there was something shady going on.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
Just the beginning.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
And then I wrote, Karen hasn't had a moment to
mourn John's death, his children, who she loved immensely.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Sorry, I'll try to let it play, but she hasn't
had a moment to warn John's death because immediately afterwards,
she was out the next day with her private investigator,
retracing her steps when she said she was crying on
her parents' sofa for days. No, she was immediately covering

(40:32):
up her crime, immediately out with the private investigator.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
She is not allowed to contact them. This is an
awful situation. But I'm thankful you've been supportive, and I
did a heart and the prayer, like thank you.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
And did Jen connect you with anybody after this.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Yeah, okay, so do you want me to keep reading
or tell me what happened next week?

Speaker 5 (40:56):
Okay? So then next yeah, so then next.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
So then on April seventeenth, at three forty four pm
Los Angeles time, see Jennifer hit her message. She went
through and hit all these messages. That's what I hate
about Facebook.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Anyway, so Jennifer wrote to me, I actually have a
screenshot of it, so that's actually good. But she wrote
to me something along the lines of, Hi, Natalie, I
have Aiden Kearney, senior writer for Turtle Boy News. He

(41:45):
would love to write a story on the Karen ree
case something along that, but I have screenshots, so you'll
have that all on the USB.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
And then I wrote, high altman.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
If you just tuning in, we're listening to Natalie Bernschneider.
Were Weiki's police interview.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
And thank you for putting us in touch. Let me
ask Karen for her blessings.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
And then Natalie Bernschneider were wiki was the go between
between Karen Reid and Aidan Carney, and really her imagination
and Karen Reid's imagination was the was the beginning. You
know what was was what became Karen Reid's innocence broad

(42:38):
campaign talking points. So this is her talking to Detective.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Tully Clarence, who's aid and wrote, Jesus, I am so sorry.
I would love to get the word out about this.
I understand there has been some coverage, but this should
be the biggest story in the news and Karen should
be immediately exonerated. So then I didn't want to reply

(43:06):
because I didn't it's not my territory. So I called
Karen and I read her this and she said, let
me talk to my brother and my best friend. And
I'm assuming her best friend is John Slavera, who she
went to either middle school with, or elementary school with,
or high school with, or junior high but she's known

(43:28):
him before college. But she said, let me ask my brother.
And then she called me back and she said that
they said that Aiden would be a good person to
tell her side of the story because the mainstream media
has painted her as a cop killer and they're not

(43:50):
giving like Brian Albert's name, the homeowner's name, and all
the other facts that she wants out. So then she said,
send this picture, and it was this picture of port that.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
Was on the Boston Globe.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
And I circled well, she circled Jen McCabe's face, and
I wrote, Jen McCabe is top left, brunette in jeans jacket,
and then I wrote all and I'll call you on
my way home. And then Aiden writes, what is this from?
And then I replied Boston Globe and he wrote thank you,

(44:30):
And then I wrote the very first hearing. When I
get home, I'll find photos on their facebooks. Just wait, guys,
major news coming very soon, and he Aiden wrote, I'd
be very happy to break this. I run Turtle Boy
Daily News. And then Karen sends me stuff from a

(44:53):
site called vsco dot com and one is like big family.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
Photo of all of the.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
This looks like the mccabs and this looks like the
Alberts together. And then Karen tells me to write because
I didn't know who all these people were, and she
wrote Jen McCabe second from right, Brian Albert back row,
dark hoodie, and then Clarence wrote, obviously Clarence is Aiden,

(45:29):
but it keeps saying Clarence on my phone. Obviously Jennifer
McCabe did not kill him on her own, And it
sounds like O'Keefe and Albert barely knew each other, and
then I wrote they didn't know each other. McCabe and
O'Keeffe are good friends. And then Aiden wrote, what would
be the motive? What would the motive be? He was

(45:51):
there fifteen minutes before he died. And then they got
the dog.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
To notice that Brian Higgins is in the anywhere near
here in this So this is a very common thing
in innocent throat campaigns. They move from one suspect to
the next, and it changes, and no one asks what
happened to the last person. So to move from Chris

(46:17):
Albert or I'm sorry Colin Albert to Brian Aiggins to
and and it will just keep evolving in ten years
that maybe someone else. They can go a million different
ways with this forever, never and ever. Because they're not
tied to the facts, they can just keep going as

(46:38):
far as their imagination can take them. They can just
keep going, doesn't matter if they have no proof of it.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
By him question mark, and I wrote, Clarence, give me
your cell number, and then he gives me the four
one three two six two six nine zero nine, And
then I replied, I'll text you the latest court motion
from April twelfth, And.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Where was that messaging? Is that?

Speaker 4 (47:12):
It says all on Facebook messenger, because this is when
I first met them. This was all April seventeenth, the
day before I guess he did his first blog, which
I understand is the eighteenth or.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Nineteenth, and it's a three way conversation with you, Karen
and Kareny.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Karen is not on it, Karen is on a signal
or Karen's calling me, and I would read Karen like
on speakerphone. I would read what they're saying, and then
she would say you yes, because what the what do
I know? All I know is about sofas, you know,
like I don't. And there were so many names involved

(47:51):
that I didn't know who. I kept thinking Michael Proctor
was the homeowner, and she would always correct me and
say like, no, he's.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
The worst one of them all, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
And so it was very confusing for me, and I
think I didn't grasp who everybody was until probably April
or May or March of twenty twenty three. So it
took me a long time to get who all these
people were.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
And these photos he sharing with turtle Boid, where would
they come from?

Speaker 5 (48:25):
From Karen.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
She was in real time. She was sending them to you.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
Yes, yes, so. And I never went out.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
I never stepped out of bounds and took it upon
myself to send stuff because I didn't want to jeopardize
anything for her. So everything came from her, like, Okay,
send this send that. This motion is now public. He
can now use this motion on his blog. But pay
attention to you know, this page, this paragraph, stuff like that, and.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
This arrangement of her telling you to send stuff to
Turtle boy. How long did that happen or did that
continue after April seventeenth?

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Yeah, so then that continued from about April seventeenth, and
then about the end of May they started getting in
an argument between me and I'm copying pasting, copying pasting,
and Turtle calls me and texts me and says, you know,

(49:28):
you girls are you guys are jerking me around. I
don't like being jerked around like this, you know. And
I and Karen, I'm gonna I'm gonna have Aidien call
me on on on signal.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Excuse my language. I didn't mean to say that word.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
And she said, have him call me on signal, So
I gave it to Turtle her phone number, I said,
call her on signal. I said, I'm gonna go give
my little girl a bath. I go into bathtub with
my little girl. We get out, I would say about
forty five minutes later. We put our PJS on and

(50:07):
I come back to my phone and I have all
these miss calls and miss text messages.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
And I call Aiden. I said, what happened?

Speaker 4 (50:15):
He goes, you know, you girls, you're playing games with me.
You're jerking me around. You know, I'm the one that
brought this story out, and you know I'm waiting by
the phone and Karen doesn't even call me. So I
called Karen. I said, Karen, why didn't you call him?
And she goes, Natalie, I'm so scared. I said, why
are you scared? And she goes, I don't know, I'm

(50:35):
just so scared, I said, Karen. He proved himself by
now he's done blogs, like he's been so loyal the
past month, Like you owe it to him now to just.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Talk to him.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
So from that, so then she was like fine, So
she summons the courage to call him, and so she
called him, and ever since then, they just pushed me
out of the picture. And and we're communicating directly, And
how do you know that because they stopped including me

(51:08):
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
How do you know they're communicating without you.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
That's just me putting one plus one equals too.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
And also she stopped texting me every day like she
used to. He would kind of he was a little
bit better about keeping me in the loop, like when
he recorded like the Scanlon tape.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
He sent me that private YouTube link.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
I'm trying to tell you everything in order, because I
tend to jump around and then I forget other stuff
I wanted to tell you.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
So I told Aiden.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
In the you know only I only had a relationship
with Aiden, you know, April seventeenth until about June fifteenth
around there, and then often like then I was in
Europe and I would text him congratulations because he mentioned
something about.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
Netflix, you know.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
But anyway, on June fifteenth, I think, Okay, in April,
at some point April or June, at some point I
told Aiden, I said, Aiden, one day, not Hollywood's going
to knock on your door, I said.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
But in the meantime, you got to cut out the
words because and you got.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
To chill with this love for Trump, because if you
want to tangle with Hollywood and your dream is to
be famous and have a documentary. And I said, maybe
it would be a good idea to do a show
and say like, hey guys, I was wrong with my vocabulary.
Let me change my ways and turn a new leaf.
And he didn't listen to me. So then I was driving.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
Home from work.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
It was like around five o'clock my time, five thirty whatever,
and Aiden calls me. He goes, Natalie, you were right,
and I said what do you mean? And he goes,
Hollywood called me and he goes, I'm going to sign
with them. And I said, but this is the first offer.
Why would you like wait for some more offers. I said,

(53:19):
this is just the beginning. You're going to get so
many offers. And he goes, well, as a thank you,
I want to sign with the first person, because I
think that's really nice. I said, Aiden, that's like sleeping
with someone on the first date. You don't do that,
like just slow your role. And so I called Karen
and Karen was like, oh gosh, Nat, did you hear

(53:41):
about Aiden in the documentary? You know this really makes
me nervous. You know, I haven't even gone to trial yet.
I haven't even been exonerated. Why is he thinking about
a documentary? And I said, I know, I told him
that I think he needs to slow his role and
just wait till things play out. You know, like with

(54:02):
Scott Peterson. There isn't just one Scott Peterson documentary. There's
like eight of them, and there's from different viewpoints from
the Rocha family, from his sister in law, you know,
from just the general media.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
So I mean, and sometimes and sometimes, like with the
West Memphis Three, they'll make one documentary blaming one stepfather,
and another documentary blaming another stepfather, and then another documentary
that's produced by the twice convicted triple child killer. These things,

(54:49):
I mean, she knows this, she knows this grift. And
with Karen Reid, we've already had We've already had how
many There's the Netflix documentary coming out which is supposed
to be This Side, which I think it's going to
be a bomb. I think it's gonna be a big failure.

(55:11):
And we've already had the most disgustingly titled A Body
in the Snow, like John O'Keefe was just a body.
It's Karen Reid can concentrate on Karen Reid. I've already
had that, that countless datelines, et cetera, et cetera. Karen
Reid just can't stand anyone else in control of the narrative.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Karen sounded really nervous, and she was like, you know, Natalie,
I had a really bad day. I need to unplug.
Let's talk about this tomorrow. But in the back of
my mind I could tell she was really worried.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
So I called Aiden.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
I said, Aiden, do me favor send me a screenshot
of the email. I just want to make sure it's
not some like D list or C list producer or
documentary person. Sent me the screenshot of the email, and
what I did is I cropped it just down to
the signature, and I sent it to my client, who's

(56:08):
won like six to eight Emmys because she's a director,
she's a pilot director. And I texted at to her
and I said, Hey, do you know these people? And
like an hour later, she texts me back and she's like,
oh my god, how the universe works. Two of my
favorite people, Natalie and Brian, two of my favorite people

(56:33):
naturally collide. Oh I won two Emmys with him on
these shows.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Blah blah, blah blah. They're the best people.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
They're the nicest people, they're great to work with. So
I called Aiden. I said, Aiden, you're in luck. These
people are actually legit and they're actually really nice that people.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
So then I text Karen.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
But you know, like when you text, after every sentence
you hit return, and so I like texted Karen like, hey,
all is good, All is good. These people are legit.
I sent it to my client. You guys have nothing

(57:14):
to worry about. So then the next morning I wake
up to like a scathing text from Karen saying that
I inserted myself into the documentary and something along the
lines of that my only interest was to be in
a documentary, which is not true.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
I had no interest.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
And I really did this for Aiden because I kind
of felt bad for him because I felt like he
was a struggling blogger. He has two kids, he lives
so just for lack of a better saying paycheck to paycheck,
and I thought anyway, So I so that's why I

(58:00):
vetted that, and Karen took it the wrong way. And
then after that, Karen never called me, didn't want to
talk about it, didn't want to hear my side of
the story. So I said to Aid, I told Aiden,
I said, Karen just like lost her shit. Like what Like,
I get she's under a lot of pressure, but come on,
you know over that. So in the meantime, my client

(58:23):
gives the producer my name and he texts me and
he said, I would love to meet with you. Can
you come to Sony Studios and meet me? And I
said no, but you can come to my factory. So
he came and met with me, and he told me
that this wasn't a documentary about Aiden. It was a

(58:46):
documentary that they want to do about this popularity about
armchair detectives. And he gave me the example about that
young couple that traveled cross country in a trailer and
taped it and it ended up that the boy and
strangled her.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
Her gathered and that's right.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
And he said that it wasn't the FBI or the
FEDS or or or the authorities that that solved the case.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
It was the armchair detectives.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
So this guy, Brian, wanted to do a documentary on
all the armchair detectives, but Aiden, being such an egomaniac,
made it like, no, they want to do a documentary
on me.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
So then when the fellow was here, he.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Asked if I would be interested in being part of
the documentary since I'm like the goose that laid the
golden egg. And I said, absolutely not. I want no
part of the documentary. I don't want to be involved
with like any kind of case like in no way,
I said, But I do have a question. I said,
how do we go about getting Aiden an agent, an

(01:00:02):
entertainment agent, and an entertainment lawyer.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
And he giggled and he goes, Aiden told me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
He has an attorney, and I said, yeah, but that's
probably just some like Massachusetts attorney that doesn't know entertainment,
because you need an entertainment attorney here in Hollywood. I said,
what about an agent, and he goes, Natalie, I'm going
to be very honest with you. I don't know any
agent that would take him on. And then he explained

(01:00:30):
to me that the way these documentaries work is they
get the rights to his blogs for eighteen months, which
means that he cannot then sign and do another documentary.
He can't do three documentaries within eighteen months.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
He would not get paid.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
But what it is is it'll boost his popularity and
about there'll be about eight.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
Million viewers, and it wasn't Netflix.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
What they do is they go to HBO, they go
to Hulu, they go to Amazon Prime, Netflix, you know
anything else that's whatever, and they go with the pilot
of the documentary or with an intro whatever it is,
or a trailer of it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
And then the highest.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Why is she telling these intimate details of how a
documentary works? Back to can we get back to your behavior.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
In this?

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Can we get back to what you did with Karen
Reid and how she launched this harassment witness harassment campaign
the help of Aiden Carney? Can we get back to that?

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Ter is the one who takes it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
So then I left it at that, and I didn't
hurt Aiden's feelings and tell him that you're not going
to get an agent because no one. And I never
googled him too, which is another big mistake. I never
thought to google him, and if I think if I
did google.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
It, Taylor were listening to Natalie Burnschneider, were wiki the
in between go between if you're just tuning in. He
was the go between between Karen Reid and Aiden Carney.
They wouldn't talk directly, not even via signal, so she
was sending screenshots to each other. That's how a lot
of their screenshots came out him.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I would have never gotten involved because of just the
filthy stuff about him on there.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
And and so so then after this, I was like,
you know what, I started getting sick because I was
upset that Karen still never reached out to me when
I thought I was a good friend and I thought
we were friends, and she knows that I live a
very comfortable life, so what would a documentary mean to me?

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
You know, like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
I love a very comfortable life, and for her to
just so coldly throw me away, I was a little hurt.
So I asked Aiden, you know, like have you talked
to Karen, like did you mention me? And he's like no,
And I said, well why, And he's like, well, I
don't want to get involved, like that's between you and her.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
And I was like, but.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Can't you like try to talk to her and smooth
things over and let her know that I inquired about
the documentary just to make sure that you guys weren't
going to bed with the wrong people. And he's like, nah,
I don't want to get involved. You girls are all cunts,
you know, and you're all unreasonable and you can't talk
to women and da da da da.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
So I left it at that. I left it at that,
and then.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
This end of June, beginning of July, and then I
decided for my mental health it would be best for
me to leave the groups.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
So I left the Karen Free, Karen Reied group and
the Justice O'Keefe group. I left that group, and then
I went to Europe.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
I went to Germany to visit my family with my
eldest daughter, and we had jet lag major and my
twelve year old and I would be up until like
three four in the morning, and I got bored and
I joined the group and I noticed this fellow by

(01:04:41):
the name of Nick Rocco. Oh back to June. I
noticed so Erica Davis, who's Karen ahern As?

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
We know you know who that is?

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:04:56):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
Maybe I'll tell you later.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
She posted in the group who is getting all the
pre proceeds to the Karen ret shirts? And I commented
with I commented, well, the etiquette would be that all
the money goes to Karen.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
So aiden does an.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
Impromptu video, and the impromptu video was dedicated to Sean
on the Golf.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
The beginning.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
The first half was to Sean and the Golf because
Sewn and the Golf removed.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
Because he was a moderator in the group.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
He removed anybody talking about the grand jury. And he
called Karen and he called Aiden and he said, you
guys can't ask about the grand jury, and Turtle, you
can't do your blogs asking about information about the grand jury.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
This is highly confidential information.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Wait, hold on one second, Hold on one second. Let
me just pull in the right video or the right
video file. Hold on one second. I don't know why
this screen's going on blank. I know I have this.
I know I have this. Hold on with the hot minute.
Here it is, okay, I know I have this with

(01:06:21):
without a blank screen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Okay, here we can.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
Alumni have been.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
So that's like good.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Who is getting all the pre proceeds to the karenry
t shirts? And I commented with I commented, well, the
etiquette would be that all the money goes to Karen.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
So Aiden does an.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Impromptu video, and the impromptu video was dedicated to Sean
on the Golf.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
The beginning.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
The first half was to Shawn on the Golf because
Sewn on the Golf removed because he was a moderator
in the group. He removed anybody talking about the grand jury.
And he called Karen and he called Aiden and he said,
you guys can't ask about the grand jury, and Turtle,

(01:07:18):
you can't do your blogs asking about information about the
grand jury. This is highly confidential information. So Aiden did
an impromptu and that first part was dedicated to Sean
on the Golf saying, where he says something along the
lines of like, hey, let me make.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Something straight about the grand jury.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Trust me, trust me, like the whole trust me, trust
me part. You don't have a law degree. Trust me,
It's okay to talk about the grand jury.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
Trust me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
And then he goes and now I want to talk
about the T shirts.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Before we go to the T shirts, can talk about
the grand jury.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
So what was being posted on these sites.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
I don't know because I wasn't on, but I guess
somebody said like, oh, my friend is on the grand
jury and she said that we meet every Thursday something
like that is what I heard and heard and heard
from somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
This is June of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Right, I don't know. I wasn't on, but I do know,
I do know. I don't know, but I may have
heard from a friend of a friend of a friend
that it was Jessica Leslie's friend saying, my friend's on
the grand jury meets every Thursday, strangely, the same day

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the week that Jessica Leslie was sentenced to two years probation.
Now she's a convicted felon for life and two months
of house confinement for this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Or at someone who's on the grand jury that incited Karen.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
I don't know, but they talked about grand jury, So
I don't know if it's like very specific like that.
And so Sean and the golf removed it. Turtle got
really mad. Karen was mad, I guess. I don't know,
but I heard she was mad. And so Aiden does
this impromptu and so the first half, as I mentioned,

(01:09:29):
is dedicated to Sean and the Golf, and then the
second half is dedicated to Erica Humphrey Davis, who's or
Erica Davis Humphries, who's actually Karen Ahern.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
And to me and he says, and now, let.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
I mean Erica had Davis Humphries, it was actually Karen
a or like a million people have a million different persons.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
And something straight about the T shirts. All one hundred
percent of the T shirts go to me. This is
my livelihood, this is how I get paid. And you
this is what he said, and I can send you
the impromptu. I think I may even send it to you.
So the first was Karen, and then I'm the snotty

(01:10:20):
who mentioned etiquette that the etiquette would be and he
goes and the snotty blocked me because I blocked him
a long time ago. And then I blocked Jennifer Altman
because I know she's been a Turtle writer for like
five years. And so after this impromptu, I got scared
because I thought that they were going to pull photos
of my kids and do like a YouTube thing about

(01:10:44):
me and Pope fun at my weight or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Till Jane, thanks so much for the supersticker from Canada.
Have some ketchup chips. So I was thinking about the
other day ketchup chips. Oh they're so good, so good,
thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
I didn't want to be one of his ratchets.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
But everybody was like not everybody, I say everybody, like
I was talking to a bunch of people. I was
only talking to like five to eight people if you
include Aiden and Karen. So in the back of my mind,
I was upset with Aiden, and I thought, you know,
how dare he?

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
He could have called me and said, Natalie, why you
write that? Why do you write that about the T shirts?

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
And so then Sean and the golf told me about
He called me and he's like, did you see the
am PROMPTU about us? And I was like no, and
he's like, go on right now, and so I listen
and then I hear the T shirts part and I
was like, wait a minute, what So then I go
in the group and I look and I see the
little turtle in the R or the A of read

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and I didn't even notice that it had something to
do with turtle. So I would have thought that the
etiquette thing to do would have been to.

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
Just call me and been like, Natalie, why do you
write that? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
But then instead he does this like outlandish post. You know,
you know, he doesn't say my name. So in the
back of my mind, I thought, you know, I'm going
to get this guy back one day. I just don't
know how. But I'm not I'm not a vindictive person
where I'm going to set up a fake account and
smear or egg their house or whatever. However, people retaliate,

(01:12:40):
So my way of getting him back was smart. So
I was in Germany with my daughter and we had
jet lag for basically the whole trip, and I noticed
that Nick Rocco was doing.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
A fundraiser for these.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
He was raising money to hire the trucks going up
and down into the courthouse. And I noticed and then
Nick said, oh, these are all the slides. And I
noticed that Turtle's logo was on every single slide. And
I'd done fundraising for the interior design community, and I
know that logo placement is very valuable. So I reached

(01:13:18):
out to him and to Nick Rocco, and I said, hey, Nick,
great job on the fundraising, but by the way, is
Turtle pain for the logo placement?

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
And I thought, I'm going to get him back this way.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
So I told him, I said, you know, the business
and savvy way to do it is, yes, offer Turtle
to buy logo placement at one thousand dollars per logo.
But in the meantime, in the group hit up CPAs, bakeries,
barber shops, auto mechanics, auto body places. So I was

(01:13:53):
giving him like business advice, and he was like, oh,
that's a great idea. So he removed those four slides
and he removed the logo and then he posted, Hey,
anyone want to put their logos up. We're going to
put them up for sale for five hundred dollars. And
I told Nick, like, why did you undersell it? Like

(01:14:16):
you got to be aggressive in business, you know, and
you could have sold them. But anyway, within two or
four hours, all logo placements were sold.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
And I figured I won this smart way.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
I got Turtle's logo off and I did it without
smearing him or.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
Talking about his whatever. However they smear him. You know,
I'm not low like that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
And and then I formed not a bond, not a relationship,
but I kind of coached Rocko on how to fundraise
and I told him, I said, you get sponsors to

(01:15:03):
buy the bracelets.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
So this is Nick Rocco who's was the lottery winner
and his wife Jen Rocco are now the you know,
king and Queen of Free Karen Reid sit with her
in court always that public appearances, they're really the now

(01:15:28):
the face is always doing the media appearances of the
face of Free Karen Reid, and so he was really
coached by Natalie Bernstein or uwiki.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
And you give those sponsors credit, and then you sell
the bracelets for ten dollars a pop. He wanted to
just somebody buy the bracelets or nobody buy the bracelets.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
I don't know what his thought was. And I told
him too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
And then you get sponsors for postage also like, and
you give those businesses credit, and then they use that
as a marketing expense, you know, especially with the with
the bus, with the bus going up and down, with
the four slides, they can use that as a marketing expense.

(01:16:17):
And he was like, oh, that's a great idea, would
do boop. So anyways, I was like, right, I got
them back. And then where I messed up. And I
admit this, I admit this. This is where I messed up.
Nick did not understand how Karen knew he got beat

(01:16:41):
up in the house. He just did not get it.
And I tried to explain it, and I was like,
you know what, forget it. So I sent him the
link to the scaling tape and that was so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Now it's now it's been moved second trial. Now it's
been moved to the garage. Nobody asked, and free Karen read,
how is this possible? There's only one truth. How are
we all arguing one thing and now we're all arguing
something else. Nobody says, hey, wait, wait a minute. So

(01:17:16):
we've moved from pointing the finger and accusing one person
to another person. I haven't even really heard. I still
get the dog, but the dog has been kind of demoted.

(01:17:38):
Now it's scientists. The laws of physics prove, but they
can't tell you how. It's basically, Arka's the word of God.
Arka the sleazy witnesses that communicated on signal and deleted
all those communications and didn't hand over any discovery such

(01:18:01):
an important part to the prosecution. They're now totally trustworthy.
And Lapisada, doctor Lapisada, who's like a hired gun for
the defense. Those are now scientists science. They represent all
of science and all of the laws of physics, those

(01:18:24):
two hired witnesses, Salizo, it's my fault.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
I backstep Aiden, but at this point I wasn't really
fond of him, and I feel bad for doing that.
That was a wrong move, and I admit that that
was a wrong move. And I also told Nick in
a text and a thing that Another thing that made
me uncomfortable about Aiden is that him being a married

(01:18:57):
man with two kids and a daughter, and me bearing
being a married woman, and me being friends with Karen
and me being married with two daughters.

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
I found it very.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
Odd that he would tell me that when this is
all said and done, that Karen owes him a job.
And I wrote that to Nick. So, like three or
four weeks ago, I had COVID and I get an
alert that Turtle Boys live and I look and it's
the Scanlond tape. And I was like, there's no way

(01:19:28):
he's sharing this. He got hacked, and I guess he
pushed from what I hear from. Then, Sean on the
Golf and Jay Robert were the only two people I
was keeping in touch with at this point. I was
only keeping in touch with two people at this point.
That Turtle hit the wrong button on YouTube and publish

(01:19:49):
that by mistake for thirteen minutes. And what did Rocco do?
He right away sends screenshots to Aiden about not only
me sending the Scanlon tape, but about my comment that
he's a pig for saying that Karen owes him. And
then Aiden says to me, you're the reason why I'll

(01:20:14):
never trust anybody again. And I didn't even reply because
I figured this isn't He's not a reasonable person and
I've tried to plead with him about things and he
has no concept of friendship or loyalty or just being
a good human being.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
So I didn't even reply.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
I would, I wouldn't call that. I would say that
that's all true for Karen Reid.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
And then I actually I did reply.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
I actually did say like, hey, I know you're mad
at me, but I'm sure. I wanted to keep it
civil because I didn't want to be a ratchet so
I was like, well, I'll still be cheers from you
from Afar something like that. I left it like very
like neutral, like, let's not make this war because I'm

(01:21:09):
not doing war.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
So what's the concern about the scandal tape?

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Did sort of boys share any concerns about the existence
of that video?

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
Well, because he recorded it without Scalalon knowing how you
know that because he was like, oh, when he sent
it to me to send to Karen, it was not
known and he'd never shared it on his blogs. And
then he would And another thing I thought was odd
was with Lucky Laffran, the plow guy. Aiden said several

(01:21:42):
times that he has a photographic memory. But then I
knew he recorded Scanlon and you don't have a photographic
memory like that. There's no photographic memory like that, especially
verbatim like that. No, he should have prefaced it, if
he were smart and savvy, he should preface it like, oh,

(01:22:03):
the conversation went somewhere along the lines of this, But
he's like, no, I have a photographic memory, and that's
just not believable.

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
But no, the Scanlon tape was very obvious, and he sent.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
It to me, and he either sent it directly to
Karen or I sent it to her, and then he
also sent it to Erica Davis, who's Karen Ahern. And
she's also one of the numbers I gave you because
she all this time told me she's a Boston police
officer and that she doesn't want to low her cover.

(01:22:38):
I think she's a pathological liar because she's actually a
security guard for a hospital. But she would go to
like the Alberts homes and the house with the swimming pool,
and so she's the one that took pictures of the
swimming pool so if you.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
Go on his blogs, those are all from him.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
But then she had a fall out with Aiden because
she was like, he's so unthankful, I'm not going to
send him anything anymore. Somehow her and Sean on the
Gulf who Sean mcdonnan in in in Florida, the retired
thirty five year DEA agent him and Karen Ahearn aka

(01:23:25):
Eric and Davis Humphreys. They started a circle where they
wanted to figure out what do these cops all owe
each other? Like what favor does Proctor? Like what favor
does Proctor? Oh, Brian that he did all this lyne

(01:23:45):
and planted evidence, and there's all these other officers like
so they were trying to find out who owes who,
what favors and and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
So it's just like the mind of a nonsense. It
just can't be that can Raid killed John o'cabe and
lied about it can't be mcdonnan.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
I also think exaggerates and tries to make himself more
significant and powerful than he is. But that was what
they were working on with these five other police officers
in Canton, retired or retired FBI agents or I don't

(01:24:39):
know what the terminology was but there was a think
tank amongst them to figure out what these cops have
on each other. And that's why they all covered up
for each other and planted evidence and purposely mispelled names
in documents.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
When was the last time we talked to can that June?
That night?

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
When I it must have been June fifteenth.

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
June thirteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Was lost time talking to me?

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Well, when he got mad at me when I had COVID,
like September eighteenth, but I never spoke to him. But oh,
when I was in Germany, he posted that he's signing
on with people with Netflix. So I was genuinely out

(01:25:37):
of everybody, I'm scared of him the most because I
don't want him to like smear my name and make
me a ratchet. Even though I pay my bills, I
don't have debt, I didn't have kids before thirty, I'm married,
you know, like, there's nothing wrong. I don't do any
I have no criminal record, nothing there, So there's nothing

(01:25:59):
you can write about me a drug addict.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
I don't do drugs. I don't I don't abuse alcohol.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
You know, there's I live a very clean, fine life.
But so I was scared of him, and so sometimes
I would message him to like, for lack of a
better word, kiss his ass.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
So when I was in Germany, I wrote to him
something like Mazeltov about about Netflix, and I wrote something
about like is it the Wahlberg Brothers And he said,
I can't say, And either while I was in Germany
or when I got back from Germany we texted again,

(01:26:45):
or we spoke and he told me that it's the
brothers that did the Netflix show The Tinder Swindler, And
it's a show about.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
A guy who would borrow.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Like fifty thousand dollars from one woman to rent private
dreads and take a bunch of other people and try
to live this like rich life and then scam and
then keep telling this woman I'm going to pay you
back your money and then get seventy five thousand from
her and then pay her to like crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
So then when I was thinking about.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
It, like Aiden, in Aiden's mind, he thinks that this
documentary is going to be like he's this investigative journalist
like gets down dirty, finds out the information. But really
Tinder Swindler, the Tiger King. These documentaries are about these

(01:27:42):
mentally insane people, and so I don't think he under
he grasps that this isn't going to be like a
complimentary like hey go Aiden, great job.

Speaker 5 (01:27:54):
This is going to be like a mockery of him,
like he's out of his mind. So that's that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
And then you know, on that tweet the other day,
the lady said I contacted Netflix. I never contacted them.
Actually Sony contacted me, but Aiden ended up not going
with Sony. So a lot of that's a lie. And
that that lean that they said about that I have

(01:28:24):
a thirty one thousand dollars lean, that's not true. That's
from twenty and eleven when my husband inherited a three
million dollar property from his late mother who died of cancer.
She died took like two years for her to die
from cancer. And so when my husband inherited that property

(01:28:45):
in two thousand, she died in two thousand and nine.
In twenty eleven, we get a letter from the mail
and the Irs that him as the heir, we have
to pay her back taxes and it was thirty one thousand,
and we payd maid it off within sixteen months. So
to make it like I am like this like deadbeat

(01:29:08):
who doesn't pay my bills.

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
I don't have any credit card debt.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
And to say, like I work here for nepotism, you
met my mom. If I wasn't good, she'd throw me
out here, you know, And she wouldn't give me shareholders.
And she also made it that in the will, I
get one hundred percent of the business and my brother
gets none of the business. And my brother was fine
with that because he says I deserve it and I'd

(01:29:32):
done a good job. So I was very I realized
what I'm dealing with, this nastiness, and I'm scared.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Going back to when there was this arrangement that Karen
would send you things, then you would send them to Aiden.
What was did what was Karen's motivation?

Speaker 5 (01:29:55):
Did you get usen to get her side?

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
It's really not like journalism, like terrorism. If you don't go,
if you don't go along with his narrative, you know
you're put in the bullseye. I've been put in the bullseye.
You've heard him talk about me. Anyone who doesn't go
along with the narrative is horrible. I'm a miserable woman.

(01:30:19):
I'm what else I don't know. But he doesn't call
me a liar. Oh, oh what was it? Oh silly?
You know, just if you don't go with this his narrative,
Oh my show, you know, your brain cells die when

(01:30:45):
you listen to.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
The story out because she felt like the mainstream media
was making it that she was a cop killer, and
she was like, I'm not a cop killer. A fight
broke out in that house, and now they're trying to
protect Colin. Who's the neighborhood who would always start crap
with John and would drive really fast in the neighborhood

(01:31:08):
and John would tell him, don't speed, there's kids playing
on the street.

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
And when they would leave.

Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
Town, I guess I don't have ring, but I guess
with ring its senses when there's movement on your property
and it lurts her phone. So they would be on
vacation and then they would see that Chris. This is
what she told me, that Chris Albert and his son
Colin would be on lawn chairs on their grass, drinking

(01:31:36):
beers and then leave the beer cans on the lawn.
So so that's what that's what she she told me.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
So, and as Aiden was confronting people in public, you know,
going to the businesses, did you ever talk to her
about kind of his conduct.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
The rolling around.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
So I wasn't involved anymore at that point, so I
pulled out June fifteenth. So the rolling rally and all
that stuff happened after. But when he first started calling
people on the shows, she did tell me that mads
were very uncomfortable, and she was like, gosh, I wish

(01:32:22):
he wouldn't call the family members.

Speaker 5 (01:32:25):
But she was like, I can't tell him what to do.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
And also here she's protecting it because we heard when
she was asked, he goes, well, yeah, well you shouldn't
be knocking on their door, remember and the documentary, but
they should be. They should be suspects. I'm totally happy
with someone else. I'm totally happy with someone going to

(01:32:55):
prison for my crime, being harassed for something I did,
as long as I don't have to take responsibility for
my behavior. Remember that in Hulu when she's asked about Aiden, Yeah,
does he's like she makes him sound like he's he's

(01:33:15):
just kind of a nuisance. Is he knocking on their doors?
Like he's knocking on their doors and running away, not
like on their lawn with their kids screaming you know
your killer, your order? You know, etcetera, etcetera at them. No,

(01:33:37):
He's just that they should be suspects. And then, according
to Alan Jackson, calls the Okay family the Okay family. Wait,
do I have this right? Hold on one second, I'll check.
I'll be back on that. I don't want to open

(01:33:58):
my mouth before i'm double check something.

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
When he made mistakes in his journalism, She's like, we
can't correct him.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
He's a journalist.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
He has to come up with his own hypotheses and
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Okay, did you ever talk to Alan Jackson with David Yanetti?

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
I know, I've only emailed David Yanetti twice. I emailed
him the Elizabeth Proctor thing and then I emailed him
the Paul O'Keeffe conversation between Aiden and Paul O'Keeffe.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
What was the purpose was of the Paul O'Keefe conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:34:36):
I don't know. She just asked if I could do it.
But she swears that she was framed.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
And you know, I love when people say this. This
is also the way our media goes with accused and
convicted killers. They'll say they have always maintained their innocence. Yeah,
most of them. Most criminals will lie. How many criminals
stand up and go I did it. Very few that

(01:35:13):
you're going to see on TV. If they do, it's
not covered. Love it she but she says she didn't
do it. She swears she's been framed and the cover up,

(01:35:35):
and she's like, Yeah, my family's really disappointed I got
involved in this. Yeah, you're backing an accused killer that
you didn't even know. It's not like you were friends.
You just knew of her in college.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
It happens so organically and naturally. It's like, how could
I not believe her, especially when she would break down
and cry, Like when all that rumor came up about
the wood floor being dug up in the basement, she
felt so grossed out. She said, Natalie, I have to
get off the phone and take a hot shower. And

(01:36:13):
then she called me back and she said, I just
blasted my music, took a hot shower, and I just
went in the corner and started crying.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
But she's she's an actress and she's a liar. Do
we have to go over all her lies? Natalie, did
you ask her about her plumber? Did you ask her?
Here's some good questions that inn is a broadwat Chat
for Karen Reid. Hold on one second, we pulled him up.

(01:36:51):
She says, why didn't you leave John O'Keefe's house when
he previously asked you to, as per the testimony of
his niece. Why would you insist John O'Keeffe send you
photos to prove where he was and who he was
with when he was not with you. Does anybody remember

(01:37:12):
that I just interviewed Brendan Gain about this very fact,
Remember this picture, And I was like, Brendan, how did
you get that picture? And he said, well, I went

(01:37:34):
out with John right to a baseball game. And he
said we went and had drinks beforehand, and he said
he had to take a picture to prove to Karen
where he was. And then there's another photo on the

(01:37:57):
last day of his life, prove that he sent to
Karen whether he's with his dad, he takes a picture
of he's with his dad. I mean, that's some creepo behavior.
If you had a plumber d at five pm on

(01:38:18):
January twenty eight, twenty twenty two, why did you wait
until seven twenty four, eleven PM before you chose to
tell John O'Keeffe. Right, So they're writing back and forth
and she's like, hmmm. At seven twenty four eleven, she says,
I am having issues with my hot water, so I
had to text someone to take a look. Did you

(01:38:43):
tell your father, your deprave father, you had no hot
water and we're expecting a plumber an hour earlier when
he called you or you called him at round six pm?
Did you tell Corina Cola Keitha's Jennifer mccaybor any wasn't
else in the cf carthy's pub or the Waterfall Bar
about your plumber? You told John O'Keefe your plumber, Richie

(01:39:07):
showed you a piece that was all rusted. What exactly
did this piece that was all rusted look like? So
here's the text message.

Speaker 5 (01:39:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
He showed me some piece that was all rested and
she put some woman symbol next to it. I don't
understand half this stuff. How did you resolve your plumbing issues?

Speaker 5 (01:39:32):
Said?

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
He got to go to home depot and I'll probably
been back manyana. That's what you told John O'Keeffe. John
O'Keeffe told Michael Camerano that he was angry that Karen
Reid hadn't asked him to fix her plumbing, so she

(01:39:53):
was looking to start a fight and stir things up
that night. Did you ever come tacked your Mansfield plumber
Richie in fore him you had killed John O'Keefe. Why
have you never showed the public a copy of your
January twenty eight, twenty twenty two texts to your Mansfield

(01:40:16):
plumber Richie? Where exactly down the road did your plumber
Richie live on? What date exactly? Did Richie your plumber
put your toilet seats on crooked? And did he resolve
this for you? Or did your toilet seat remain crooked?
So she told him that John O'Keefe that night he
just puts the toilet seats on crooked? Did Richie your

(01:40:39):
plumber charge you for the call out on Friday evening?
She wrote? He's not a scammer to John, he have
the quick stuff. He doesn't even charge me for Wow,
well plumber works for free? Amazing? Were you annoyed when
your plumber turned up to your Mansfield home three hours late?

(01:41:01):
I've always told you I will not This is Karen
read to John O'Keefe that night about the plumber. I
have always told you I will not put either of
you out of your way, meaning I think she means him,
or because he says my papa would have fixed it
because his dad is a plumber. John O'Keeffe, out of
your way the way everyone else in your life does it.

(01:41:26):
I knew it wasn't working right when you were at
the doctor's with Kayley, and I knew neither of you
could get here. And this guy Ritchie fixed it last time,
whatever it was. He was supposed to be here at five?

(01:41:47):
Did you witness DV growing up? You have your father,
mother and father always fed into your pathological lies. What
does your sister Elizabeth say about your pathological line? Is
it a struggle for you to be honest? Those are
questions from Innocent Shroad Watch. The link is in the description.
But yeah, I mean, you know, it's really important because

(01:42:13):
it's the last thing that we know that they did,
one of the last things we know they discussed that
night via text before they met, and no one ever
checked out. No one's ever seen her text messages to Richie.
Didn't it came up very We heard testimony only about
it in the second trial, and very slight testimony. So well,

(01:42:45):
one second, I'm just gonna take a break with this.
I'll be back in two minutes. Don't go anywhere.

Speaker 10 (01:42:51):
Everyone is waiting for me to arrive at the barn
and home in Mansfield. I'm making up a new cold star.
His name is a Ritchie. The plumber. No hot water,

(01:43:14):
it's a bummer, it's I'm a figment of my imagine vation.
Call it a lie. I'm faint right, full indignation.

Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
Call the plumber.

Speaker 10 (01:43:26):
I got a rusty pipe. Hot water is not working.

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
I'm starting a fight.

Speaker 10 (01:43:35):
Sure is a lie, but it's a little one. Gotta
get my boyfriend under my phone. John says he and
his papa would have fisted if only this broken pipe
in real life, existing causing pain and suffering is what

(01:43:58):
I do best hood in mind boyfriend's patients through test
after test, whichie, my imaginary plumber is at homedeed. Both
hoping that story will get a rise out of my
boyfriend and his a little beadle. I'll arrive at the

(01:44:20):
barshall and up late, make him angry right out of
the gate. He's saw a feeling lovey dubby. I'm done right,
Twistin's coming. I'll do lady drinks and an him over
after it gets late, scream and cry it's you John
whoah hay leave him to die in a blizzard, inflicting

(01:44:43):
pain on a whizard? Can Jender call nine one one,
have the whole town pointing fingers when it's over, and
Dune cry to me?

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
And I always tell her like, gosh, you're so strong.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Okay, So so just to finish up with this, this
is the end of the Natalie Burnschneider a WEEKI interview.
Can I just go back just like a micro just
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:45:23):
But she's never cried to me, and I always tell
her like, gosh, you're so strong, because you know me,
I'm a cry baby. And I tell her like, gosh,
you're so strong, and she's like, I have no other choice.
I'm fighting for my life. But I have to say,
like I do miss our friendship. I genuinely liked her. Yes,

(01:45:46):
I have not seen her in twenty years. But we
had so much fun reminiscing about college. And we would
watch this Netflix show together, Tell Me Lies, which is
about freshman college year, like love drama, and it reminded

(01:46:07):
us of Bentley College, and so we would watch an
episode and then we would like recap and talk about
that episode and like be like Oh my god, I
can't wait for the next episode to come on.

Speaker 5 (01:46:20):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
So it wasn't just always about her case, and you know,
there was a friendship there, and that's I think what
hurt me.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
Here's what I found. That's what hurt me when she.

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
Didn't give me a chance to explain my innocent inquiry.

Speaker 5 (01:46:40):
About the documentary.

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
Another thing is is in the very beginning, I what.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Is that message that gets played right behind her? Guess
what I found? That's got to be a message from
Natalie to Karen Reid, right when they're mine through Facebook
and finding things that can distract from the real evidence
and Karen Read's case. Guess what I've found? Did anyone

(01:47:09):
else hear that? Do I need to go back wait
for everyone to catch up.

Speaker 4 (01:47:27):
I told her that when you google this is before
you eat in this is twenty twenty two.

Speaker 5 (01:47:33):
When you google Karen Read, nothing came up.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
And I told her, you need to tell the news
outlets that when they post their.

Speaker 5 (01:47:45):
Articles, you can choose like ten hashtags. It might be more,
but you can choose ten hashtags.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
Tell them to use Karen Reid as a hashtag so
that when we google your name it comes up. Another
thing I noticed is they kept referring to her as
the ex girlfriend, and I said, you need to let
the news outlets know not to call you the ex

(01:48:13):
girlfriend because you weren't.

Speaker 5 (01:48:15):
And she was like, oh my god, not.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
Why am I spending three thousand dollars a month on
a PR person.

Speaker 5 (01:48:23):
You should just do my PR You're so good at
this stuff. You know this, like.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
You weren't the ex girlfriend. Because when John O'Keefe asked
you to leave his home leave him alone, you wouldn't.
You just demanded on staying there and wouldn't remove yourself
from his home. So he tried to make you the
ex girlfriend, but you kept him around so you could

(01:48:53):
teach him a lesson by running him over.

Speaker 5 (01:49:00):
On your own. I'm going to let go my PR person.

Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
So from that point I kind of looked at my
role as her PR person weirdly enough, and so I
think that when Aiden told me about the documentary guy,
I kind of wanted to protect her and protect him
and make sure that this was legit.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
That's the other questions.

Speaker 6 (01:49:27):
Did Aidan obviously after you gained his trust? Did he
ever have you email anybody that we haven't.

Speaker 5 (01:49:34):
Brought up yet no, like email, like just.

Speaker 6 (01:49:41):
Any documents, anything on contact somebody on his behalf.

Speaker 4 (01:49:45):
Oh like so he would get emails from like people
saying like, oh, rumor has it that X, Y and Z.
And then he would say, can you send this to
Karen and tell me if this is true? And then
Karen would say, this is not true, like that Brian Higgins,
not Brian Higgins, Brian Albert video with the foot, and

(01:50:09):
Karen said, and no, equivocally or however you say in English,
that's not Brian Albert.

Speaker 5 (01:50:16):
He always wears a skull cap type of thing.

Speaker 6 (01:50:20):
Anybody else that comes to mind.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
Amy Ashley Bell sent Aiden a text with pictures of
Yuri on her Ring camera, and then Aiden sent me
a screenshot where he sent that to Yanettie and I

(01:50:44):
sent that to you. So stuff like that, and Aiden
would send me stuff to kind of keep me in
the loop, you know. But then by May I was
kind of pushed away and I kind of sensed like, Okay,
they're now in touch, they don't need me anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
Did Karen ever send you grand jury minutes or motions
to send to Aiden?

Speaker 5 (01:51:14):
Only if they were already public. She was very careful
about that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:19):
She was very, very careful, and she would always say,
let me double check with Yanetti to make sure they're public,
but never beforehand. She was very careful about that. And
the only time I think, excuse me, that she messed
up was releasing the color autopsy photos. And for some reason,

(01:51:40):
I thought I sent those to Aiden, But when I
look through my text messages with him, I sat down
on Friday in my car.

Speaker 5 (01:51:48):
And I was like, you know what, I'm going to
finally re.

Speaker 4 (01:51:50):
Revisited this and I scrolled all the way up to
the top and I got a jama juice. I sat
in my car and I read everything, and when I
was done, I was like, thank you Jesus. I did
not send the autopsy photos. I thought that maybe I
sent those, but that's because I had them saved. And

(01:52:10):
but I think John Silvera because he's on some of
the emails with me.

Speaker 5 (01:52:16):
I was only sent.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
Like three emails or four emails, and he was on
like one or two of them. And I know that
they're very close, and I know that he was her
biggest donor because he donated fifteen K, so I know that.
And then she also said to me sometimes like Natalie,

(01:52:41):
if this is too much for you. I can have
john S takeover, you know, if you need a break.
And I was like, no, this is what friends are for.
Don't sweat it. It's not a big deal. I'm just copying, pasting.
The kids are asleep, you know, like so, and that
was pretty much it, and that pretty much my involvement,
and then stupid me, I got involved with Sean on

(01:53:05):
the golf and then also with Scanlon. The reason why
you're gonna get all these screenshots is Karen and I
went on Scanlon's Facebook page before Aiden. Okay, so we

(01:53:25):
went on Scanlon's Facebook page and we did screenshots of
every single photo he had and kept them because we
knew that Karen was going to have Erica Davis go
on the chat of Aiden's YouTube channel and just write

(01:53:46):
who's Steven Scanlon? And that's why when you see, if
you've seen the Scanlon tape, how my name pops up,
it's because Aiden texts.

Speaker 5 (01:53:57):
Me who something like who wrote Stephen Scanlon on my text?

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
And then I said Erica Davis, And then it was
because Karen told me, hey, can you text Erica Davis
and tell her to just write who is Stephen Scanlon?

Speaker 5 (01:54:17):
Because she wanted to disturb the pot.

Speaker 4 (01:54:20):
And then and then Aiden called Stephen and reported it.
And then Aiden was like, oh my gosh, look what
I have. And he said it as a private link,
so you could only watch that. You couldn't go on
his page and find it. It was a very private link.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
So one after and again, how Aiden became aware of Scanlon,
It was the first time that he heard of it was
on the comments on the YouTube Live No.

Speaker 4 (01:54:50):
Karen told us that that's how she put the story
together because that morning she was so confused and.

Speaker 6 (01:54:59):
So hung over. How does she get it? How'd she
get who.

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
Scanlon was because he went to Yanettie's office and you
and and and Scanlon said like this, there's something wrong
with the story.

Speaker 5 (01:55:13):
They were beat up in the house. Somebody told me
that he was beat up in the house.

Speaker 6 (01:55:17):
But then Karen, knowing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
To put this all goes back to Tom Beatty's daughter
started this roomer. I think he heard it. Oh my gosh,
it's so it comes from the mind as Steve Scanlon
Natalie Burns Schneider were wiki, Tom Beatty's daughter, Karen read

(01:55:42):
how much more of this do we have? We've been
really going for a long time on this. I guess
a few more minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:55:54):
Out on social media she directed you to ask who is.

Speaker 5 (01:55:59):
The scale to scare Scanlon?

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
Why would Karen want to scare.

Speaker 5 (01:56:05):
Of Scanlon hopefully have him talk. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:56:10):
And what was the why? Why beforehand capture all his pictures?

Speaker 4 (01:56:16):
Because Karen did that, especially with like that's how she
was able to get all the pictures of the Alberts
and the mccabs and all those kids and show that
Proctor's mom wrote to Chris Albert, you guys are my
second family.

Speaker 5 (01:56:35):
So Karen is heavily on.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
Facebook and studies Facebook like no other, and so that
was like a very big tool for her to find
to realize that these folks.

Speaker 5 (01:56:46):
Really do know each other.

Speaker 3 (01:56:48):
But it seems like Scannon Scanlon was important to her,
so but capturing Facebook pictures would she could use against him?

Speaker 5 (01:56:57):
I don't know. We just did it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
There was no there was no rhyme or reason or like.
It was like, let's just get all his pictures as
many as we can before they're gone, before he locks
his page or before he deletes it. Because I guess
that's what happened with McCabe and proctor Is they ended
up like locking their pages or or limiting in it,

(01:57:19):
you know, and not making it a public page.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
I don't think a lot of those. But dihals actually connected.
That's what I think.

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
Okay, you had mentioned me before that maybe Aiden had
met for lunch with Jackson and United.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
Yeah, tell me about that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:41):
So Aiden really wanted proper, wanted to sit in the court,
and he really wanted to be in the courthouse.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
And we know, I mean, does anybody remember let me
just pull this for a second. I mean, everybody remembers
the butt tap right by by Yanetti Aiden. He says
in the message that got leaked from Yanetti to Aiden,
like he's cheering him on as he's Aiden's ripping the

(01:58:17):
o'key family, member of the Oke family. It's like, great show,
love the turtle reporting. But he's like, you know, we
can't publicly have a relationship. I mean, remember Aiden lied
and said he didn't talk to Karen for ever and ever.

(01:58:37):
Say to my shorts, hold on one second, just share this,
hold on one second for those who haven't seen this,
but he came to court. This is Grant Smith Ellis's footage.

(01:59:01):
But mhm, I picked it out right away that as
he's he's smacking him on the butt as he's going
into court, when they were publicly saying like, oh, we
don't have any relationship. What's shocking about this recording hearing

(01:59:22):
it for I don't know how many times I've heard this,
but how often things go to Yannetti from from Karen
Reid's minions or or Aiden Carney to Yanetti. So Aiden
Carney is, like I've always said, was like a part

(01:59:44):
of her defense team. It was a strategy used by them,
so selling me.

Speaker 4 (01:59:58):
And the another time Karen snapped at me and I
told her, I said, Aiden wants to sit in the car,
in the car wants to sit in the courthouse. And
she's like, Natalie, I can't be bothered with this. You know,
I had bigger fish to fry. I had the attorneys
here all week, you know, like leave me alone about this.
And I said, Karen, he's done so much for you,

(02:00:20):
like just get him proper seating in the courthouse, like
we owe this to him, You owe this to him.
And she goes, fine, have him call John Silvera and
he can go in with John Silvera.

Speaker 5 (02:00:35):
And that was another thing.

Speaker 4 (02:00:36):
That I used against Aiden was, I said, you know,
if it weren't for.

Speaker 5 (02:00:40):
Me, you wouldn't have gone into the courthouse.

Speaker 4 (02:00:46):
So then Karen told me that after the May third
Court hearing that they were going to all convene at
the Omni Seaport and to tell Aiden, and so I
told Aiden, and Aiden's like, I feel out of place.

Speaker 5 (02:01:03):
I don't feel right, I don't fit in.

Speaker 4 (02:01:05):
I said, Aidan, play your cards right, Alan, Jackson's going
to be there. Like this is how you move up
in life, you know. You you schmooves with the right people,
you socialize with the right people, and that's how you
climb up.

Speaker 5 (02:01:17):
This lotter, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:01:20):
Because he was on his way home and he didn't
want to go. He was too shy, And I said,
I said, Aidan, pull over. And so he's like, well,
there's two Omni seaports. I don't know which one it is.
So I call a member of stand in the middle
of the factory, and I call the Omni Seaports and
I figure it out or whatever.

Speaker 5 (02:01:41):
I call both of them, and I.

Speaker 4 (02:01:42):
Asked if there was a party under Jackson, under Reed,
under Yanetti.

Speaker 5 (02:01:47):
None of them could tell me.

Speaker 4 (02:01:48):
And then in the meantime, Aidan's like, I figured out
which one they're at.

Speaker 5 (02:01:51):
Okay, I'm on my way.

Speaker 4 (02:01:53):
And then he thanked me and he's like, thank you
so much for pushing me. I had a great time.
And and Jackson and is like such a cool guy.
And Karen's parents are so cool, and Karen is just
like the nicest down to earth person. And I was like, see,
you just have to have a little bit of confidence,
you know. The only thing he didn't listen to me

(02:02:15):
is I told him, I said, when you go to court,
you can't go like cartoon character with turtle tie and
lime green shirt, like maybe going neutral colors and you know,
maybe put some moisturizer on and you know, but he
didn't listen to me. He went on that court hearing,

(02:02:36):
he went with the whole get up, the sign that
the tie and the green lime green shirt and a
black jacket or something like that, and that's pretty much it.

Speaker 5 (02:02:50):
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 6 (02:02:53):
Earlier, did you ever mention did you ever donate to
Karen Reid?

Speaker 5 (02:02:58):
Or I did?

Speaker 6 (02:03:00):
I did.

Speaker 4 (02:03:01):
I donated a thousand to Karen and then I donated
another time of fifty dollars to Karen and to Aiden.

Speaker 5 (02:03:08):
I donated three hundred.

Speaker 4 (02:03:11):
I know I should have donated it to like babies
with AIDS or I know I'm an idiot. I feel fooled,
I feel duped. I feel like I'm embarrassed. It's an
egg in my face. As you guys know, my parents
and my husband have been very against my involvement since
day one, especially my husband, and when they saw that

(02:03:35):
I donated money to her defense fund really hit the fan.

Speaker 5 (02:03:42):
But you know, I'm not perfect.

Speaker 4 (02:03:44):
And I don't claim to be, and it is what
it is, and the only thing I can do is
learned from it and move forward and do what I
think is right.

Speaker 2 (02:03:58):
Which is to remain totally silent and not talk at
all and not help the Okay family at all for
the killer that I essentially made the blueprint for and
it was part of a real conspiracy. And they're like, okay,
I mean that's their one follow up question, did you

(02:04:21):
did you totate money? I think they I think she
just did a Jedi mind trick with all those jamba
jused type details of them. Their brain went looks like
when you, I don't know, when your boyfriend asked you
how your day is and you start to tell them.

Speaker 5 (02:04:39):
They're like, uh, start to do it out.

Speaker 4 (02:04:43):
And I can't beat myself up about it and I
can't be scared anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:04:51):
She should have spoken out, still, should have They should
have called her, sapened her to testify. It's ridiculous, ridiculous.
Her silence is ridiculous. But I believe it was Aristotle
said that courage is like the most important virtue. I mean,
you can't do anything without courage. Certainly seems like the

(02:05:14):
rarest virtue. So that is what I have for today.
That is the beginning of all this. This is what
led us to where we are now. But I mean
there's so much alike. It was just a matter of

(02:05:36):
time when if Churtle Boy went on to something super
big and didn't need Karen, he would have discarded Karen.
It's something that gave him more money and more power.
It's all about power and control for these personality types.

(02:05:59):
She got to it for but very much like the
way that she discarded Natalie. She's like, I told you
not to call me so much. I'm really overwhelmed, and
then like just didn't need her, discarded her. Eventually she'll
do it to Nick Rocco and whoever else is in

(02:06:21):
her orbit. They're useful, they will stay in. When they
become not useful or not giving narcissistic supply or some
other kind of use, they will be outsted. That is
what I have for today. Let's see if we're gonna see.

(02:06:45):
I hope we see in the civil suit some evidence
of these plumber texts. Hope they asked Karen about it.
She can't take the fifth this time, so she's gonna
have to act, actually go on the record something that
these witnesses that she's accused have done, have given testimony

(02:07:09):
under out something she's avoided, like the play. All right,
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