Karen Read Trial Autopsy: What Are the Cameranos Hiding?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Karacter, just to be sure you didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up. You all know if
John was beaten up and attacked in that house.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Who did it? We don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
We don't know, and it's not for us to know.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Somebody other than Karen. Somebody other than Karen is responsible
for that for the killing of John.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
You are listening to the ROBERTA.

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Speaker 6 (00:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh okay, how is everybody? How you're all holding in?

Speaker 7 (01:20):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Wesley loves october Fest. Hello, Monica Kneeling, hellow dark Side,
Truth and Justice. Texas brat fuencewas Hello. Everyone wanted to
talk with you all today. Do an autopsy on Karen

(01:43):
Reid trial. The testimony of the Cameranos. Are they telling
everything they know? Did Karen Reid say more than them?
We know that Michael Camerono was the first person that
Karen Reid called that morning after she ran over John

(02:07):
O'Keefe in her six thousand pounds SUV with her foot.
Seventy four percent down seventy four point five percent down
on the gas pedal at twenty four miles an hour
of up to speeds of twenty four miles an hour,

(02:29):
leaving him to die alone in a blizzard. Then she
ran drove in her car to his house, not her house,
to John O'Keefe's house, and thought up ways to evade

(02:53):
responsibility for mortally wounding injuring John O'Keeffe. But the first
person she really wanted to talk to that morning was
Michael Camerano, calling him many times and then eventually talking
to Catherine Camerano, and they seem to be saying the

(03:19):
minimum in their testimony. That's my take of it. Let
me know what your take of it is. So this
was brought to my attention by Innocent Fraud watch her
blog check it out. So it is called and the

(03:39):
link is always in the description of this episode. Did
Cop Killer Karen Reid really tell John O'Keeffe's niece to
call Michael Camerano to pick her up at a round
five four am? Including questions for witnesses Michael and Katherine Camerano.

(04:02):
So these are some timeline exert So at four thirty approximately,
Karen Reid went into John O'Keefe's niece's bedroom and shook
her then left. And this is a quote from her testimony.
This is John O'Keefe's niece said quote, Well, at first
she just said my name and like kind of shook me,
and then I kind of opened my eyes and she

(04:25):
wasn't in the room. What a way to wake someone up, right.
At some point, Karen Reid had retrieved John O'Keeffe's niece's
phone from John's bedroom and instructed her to call her
uncle's iPhone. The niece apparently texted John O'Keefe's iPhone, but

(04:45):
the time of this message or messages is not in
the public domain. So we know that John O'Keefe and
his niece had such a trusting relationship that even when
he wasn't there, she would obey his rules and put
her phone in his bedroom to charge for the night.

(05:08):
And we know that that John O'Keeffe texted his niece
from the bar that night, but what he said to
her was it, well, i'll be home later, good night.
We don't know is just not in the public domain,

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but we know that their relationship was so tight that
she as soon as she was going to bed. She
wasn't like, well, I'll wait till I hear the car
drive up, and then I'll run to his bedroom and
put my phone in. As soon as she was going
to bed, she went to his bedroom and respected his

(05:49):
rules and hinted over his phone even when he wasn't there.
So at four forty four forty John O'Keeffe's niece called
her uncle's iPhone. At four forty six forty one, just
over five hours after Michael camerono had picked up his
daughter from John O'Keeffe's house, Karen Reid called Michael. Michael

(06:15):
Camerono was sleeping and did not hear his phone ringing.
Michael Camerono had been in c. McCarthy's pub with John
O'Keeffe the previous evening, but had to leave after receiving
a call informing him his son had been hit in
the face with a hockey stick. But before leaving McCarthy's,
Michael Camerono testified that Karen Reid or John O'Keefe had

(06:38):
said they were heading either across the street or to
the Hillside Pub on Royal Avenue. Prosecutor Adam Lally said,
let me see if I can scoot down to this,
so you guys, can I hope this see that clip
and then we'll scoot back up. So here's Michael Camerono

(07:01):
testifying about his son's hockey incident.

Speaker 8 (07:06):
This Camaron indicated that his son was at a Moose
elementary school for a player of some sort of that.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Correct, he was for a little bit and.

Speaker 9 (07:17):
From there, where if anywhere else did he go?

Speaker 5 (07:20):
There?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
He went to a friend's house to skate in his backyard.

Speaker 9 (07:25):
Skate as far as just skating or what if anything
else was.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
He was skating? Little potty?

Speaker 9 (07:33):
Well, let me ask, was he a hockey player?

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yes, he's a hockey player skating, Yes, makeshift hockey rinking
in somebody's backyard.

Speaker 8 (07:42):
And at some point, at some point with relation to that,
what if anything's more, caused you to leave thee on that.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I received a phone call that my son was hitting
the face with a hockey stick and he lost his tooth.

Speaker 9 (08:01):
And so upon receiving that call, where did you go?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I went to go get him.

Speaker 9 (08:06):
And you recall about what time that was that you
left party.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
There's one simple vision hack anyone can use to improve vision.
So okay, So there there he is talking about that,
and I'm hoping he'll talk about missing the phone. Let's
let's listen to this clip that.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
You were at you obviously at some point you didn't
do an Irish goodie.

Speaker 9 (08:41):
No, so at some point you indicated mister or mister that.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yes, So he's saying you didn't do an Irish goodbye.
I'm sorry the volume is really low on this clip.
He said, you didn't do an Irish goodbye. At some
point you just left to go pick up your son.
You lost his two my brother losses to this is
really traumatic. Wor kid uh awful, awful.

Speaker 9 (09:10):
Curious as far as where they were going or what
were their intentions.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Where were they going or what were their intentions.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
They were they were heading either across the street or
to the hillside.

Speaker 8 (09:24):
And say across the street, what if anything was across.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
There's another broom waterfall?

Speaker 9 (09:32):
Yes that establishment, Yes, where is that in relationships?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Across the street to the left, if you were coming
out of if McCarthy's.

Speaker 9 (09:44):
Walking distance, is that correct?

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Okay, So welcome to the Fire of Liberty show. We
bring you as give me a second there we keV uh.

Speaker 9 (10:00):
Next, but what time is it that you wake up
on the point nine.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Six, five thirty six am.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
So what time did you wake up?

Speaker 9 (10:11):
What was it that that woke you up?

Speaker 1 (10:13):
With phones ringing?

Speaker 9 (10:17):
And how many? How many phones do you have too?
And potentially one personal one work?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Is that correct?

Speaker 9 (10:23):
Where both phones ringing?

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Or one again?

Speaker 1 (10:26):
One phone at that time?

Speaker 9 (10:27):
Was that your work?

Speaker 1 (10:28):
My personal phone?

Speaker 9 (10:31):
And h get up and hear that? You look at
your phone? What if anything do you see on the screen.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I see a lot of miss calls, a bunch of
miscalls from Karen and miss calls from my from my
wife's work.

Speaker 8 (10:46):
And when you say miss calls, we're talking about one call, several.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Calls, several calls.

Speaker 9 (10:53):
Any voicemails that you recall associated.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
With I don't recall.

Speaker 8 (10:59):
And so based on sort of making that observation of
the miss pauls, what do you do with that?

Speaker 1 (11:06):
I pick up the phone and call my wife, And what.

Speaker 9 (11:10):
If anything did you learned from from your wife?

Speaker 1 (11:13):
My wife said to me that I'm John Hey sustained.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Okay, Oh, it's another one of their famous sidebars, one
of their famous sidebars. Let's see if we can do

(11:40):
through this so anyway, So that'll that'll give you an idea.
They're not gonna let him do any hears say testimony,
So make it back.

Speaker 10 (11:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (11:58):
Yeah, so we're right at Katherine Okay, well so so
get Because.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Michael Camerono was not answered it calls, Karen Reid called
Michael's wife, Katherine Camerano, and this call lasted about two
minutes and fifty one seconds, but Catherine Camerano could seemingly
only recall Karen reads repeatedly shouting Where's Mike, Where's Mike?
So you're telling me in a call that lasted two

(12:32):
minutes and fifty one seconds, the only thing she remembers
is where's Mike, Where's Mike? I mean, it seems highly
significant what she would have told Katherine Camerano in those
first In that call, Katherine Camerano said she could hear
John o'keeff's niece in the background of this call, although

(12:52):
she did not say what it was she heard John's
niece say. Catherine Camerano testified that she told Karen Reid
to hold on, hold on, calm down, and that she
was re checking the alarm at her house, and that
she had said to Karen referring to her husband, Michael
he's home, he's home with the kids. Let me call him.

(13:15):
And at some point I hung up. I called my husband,
like I don't know, probably it felt like a hundred times.
At four point fifty three, John O'Keeffe's niece called Jennifer
McCabe on Karen Reid's instructions and put a call on
the speakerphone. And it's not known how long that call lasted,

(13:36):
but Jennifer McCabe called John O'Keeffe's niece's phone back at
four point fifty six. This call was again put on speakerphone.
At four fifty six thirty nine, Catherine Camerano called Karen
Reid back and she could hear Jennifer McCabe's voice, which
she recognized as one of her daughter's basketball coaches. Katherine

(13:58):
Camerano testified, I don't really recall exactly, I don't. I
feel like it was just a lot of like screaming,
like he's not home. I don't really recall one hundred percent.
So this call now, it's just a lot of screaming.

(14:18):
But you wouldn't remember anything that Karen Reid screamed to
you on the phone that morning. Two minutes and fifty
seven and that two minutes and fifty seven second call
and two at four fifty nine thirty six. The call

(14:39):
ended at five o'clock. In ten seconds, Karen Reid called
Carrie Roberts back and shouted, either John's dead, Carry carey, Carrie,
or carry Carey Carey John's dead. At five o'clock and
thirty seconds thirty eight seconds, Karen Read seemingly ended her

(15:01):
call to Carrie Roberts because Catherine Camerano was calling her back,
and then Karen reed call and call ended at five
o'clock and it ended at five oh two fifty two.
Catherine Camerano called John O'Keefe's niece at approximately five oh four.

(15:27):
Catherine testified, I was just saying to her, is she is?
Everybody okay?

Speaker 5 (15:32):
Is she?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
And she said they're going to go out looking for him?
And I think she said she was they were going
to go out looking for him, or she went out,
or she's going to go out. No one knows where
he is. Well, someone knew where he was, Karen Reid.
Karen knewed right where did take people? She was just
gaining her audience so they could see her hysteria and

(15:55):
join on her ruse to look for him, and then
I think, I think I like hung up with her.
After speaking with Ms McKay, the defendant left the house. Okay,
So Karen Reid left the house and told the niece
to call mister Camerano to come pick her up. All right?

(16:21):
So why would Karen Reid tell John o'keef's niece to
call Michael Camerano at around five oh four to pick
her up when he had not been answering her calls
to just minutes earlier? Did Catherine Camerano know by five
oh four that Karen Reid had told John O'Keefe's niece
to call her husband Michael to pick her up? And

(16:42):
what was the reason Catherine Camerano called her husband Michael,
which she said felt like a hundred times because Catherine
knew John's nieces would be home alone. Was that the reason?
And what were the times of Catherine Camarano's calls to
her husband Michael Camerano and byce versa, was the reason
Catherine Camerano was seemingly repeatingly calling her husband because she

(17:07):
had told Karen or John O'Keefe's niece that she would
tell her husband Michael to pick her up at around
five oh four am. During Karen Reads two twenty and
twenty four trial, when Michael Camerano was asked by prosecutor
Adam Lally, so, mister Camerono, you called your wife. You

(17:29):
call your wife, and what if anything in general that
she tells you, And Michael Camarano replied, she tells me
that John O'Keefe didn't come home last night. Oh, actually says,
she tells me that John didn't come home last night.
And Adam Lalley then asked, did she indicate to you
how she came to find that out, to which Michael

(17:52):
Camerano said, she just she said she received phone calls
from Karen, Adam Lalley, and based on that, you had
a conversation about John's niece and nephew. Is that right,
mister camer Michael Camerano then said, yes, My wife said

(18:12):
to me, er go get go, get Callie. Kelly is home.
I realized that Kelly is home alone, so I throw
some clothes on, go out to the car, clean the
car off real quick, get in the car and go. However,
Catherine Camerano testified that it was she who called her husband,

(18:33):
stating here then I called my husband and told him
that Calle was home alone and that he should go
get her because she was at the house alone. So
who called who? Good question? Who called? Who? Did Michael
Camerono call his wife or did Catherine Camerono call Michael.
I picked up the phone and called my wife, did Katherine?

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Or was there more than one call between the pair
during this relevant time period? And if Michael Camerono woke
up at around six five point thirty six am because
of his phone ringing, why didn't he pick up John
O'Keeffe's knee sooner? I mean he didn't get there till
after seven. Was it Karen Reid who told Michael Camerano

(19:17):
she and John O'Keeffe were going to go either across
the street or to the hillside after c F McCarthy's
pub And if it was Karen Reid who told Michael
Camerano that they intended on going on to the hillside,
had Karen Reid received any messages that evening from Carriy
Kerran that's where Carriy Kerrn was or her husband Christopher

(19:40):
Current And were they in the hillside on the evening
of January twenty eighth or was it John O'Keeffe who
had indicated to Michael Camerano that he and Karen Reid
were planning to go either across the street or to
the hillside. And why would John be planning on going

(20:04):
to the hillside when he had made loose arrangements to
meet friends at the waterfall? Again, Catherine Camerano said, I
talked to Carrie Roberts in the morning at some point.
I don't know if if I called her or she
called me, and she said that I think that he
was going to the hospital. And then I called my

(20:24):
husband and told them that Caylee was home alone and
that he should go get her because she was at
the house alone. Catherine Camerano must have spoken to Carrie
Roberts at some time after round six twenty seven, which
is when Ambulance one left Karen Reid's crime scene. Therefore,

(20:45):
did Michael Camerano wake up nearer to around six thirty
to six forty five as opposed to six five thirty
six am. Since testifying, have Catherine Camerano or Michael Camarano
recalled any other significant events or statements from January twenty

(21:05):
eighth or twenty ninth Similar to what Michael did when
he testified on day three of April of April twenty fourth,
twenty twenty five, of Karen Reid's reachrial with regards to
Richie the Mansfield's plumber tale. And since testifying in twenty
twenty four in twenty twenty five, have the Camerinos obtained

(21:30):
copies of their call data familiarize themselves with the timings
of various events and if not, why not? And since
testifying in twenty twenty four, has Michael Camerono figured out
what if anything, was wrong with John O'Keefe's garage door
on January twenty ninth, twenty twenty two, And did John

(21:50):
O'Keeffe and Karen Reid have garage door openers in their vehicles?
So here's at five oh five Karen, five oh five
fourteen Karen Jennifer McCabe called Karen Reid. This call lasted
forty three seconds and that was right as Karen Reid
was giving her love tap to John O'Keeffe's car, So

(22:13):
she's reversing out of the garage at that time, and
it would be you know, and we've never heard any
testimony from Oh. She was also talking to Carrie Roberts.
I'm sorry, So this is what she called Jennifer McKay.

(22:36):
But right around this time she was talking to Carrie Roberts,
and we've never heard anything from Cary Roberts like, oh,
I just love tapped. I just ran into John O'Keeffe's
car pulling out of the driveway in a completely unnatural
and unnecessary way, because you know the way that driveway goes.

(22:57):
You can just go straight back. You know how to
reverse your wheel into John O'Keeffe's car to get out
of the driveway. At six forty am, Kerry Roberts called
Katherine Camerano or vice versa. Six forty five, Katherine Camerano
called her husband, Michael Camerano, or vice versa. And finally,
at seven o five sixteen, Michael Camerano arrives at John

(23:21):
O'Keeffe's house to pick up John O'Keeffe's niece. So we
can listen to Katherine Camerono's testimony here.

Speaker 9 (23:32):
I'm gonna turn your attention out to the Morning nine.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
At some point, I'm going to turn your attention to
the twenty eighth and twenty ninth. At some point, receive
a call yes while you are at work. Did you
receive a call from someone.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
Call Karen?

Speaker 8 (23:50):
And about what time?

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Probably between four and five?

Speaker 8 (23:57):
And what if anything did say to you?

Speaker 9 (24:02):
When she called me around four or five?

Speaker 5 (24:05):
She was just screaming, where's Mike? Where's Mike?

Speaker 8 (24:10):
And was that a typical sort of situation that you
would call from at that time?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
No?

Speaker 5 (24:15):
No, no, no, not at all.

Speaker 8 (24:19):
And the screaming that you heard her or the crazyology
of where's Mike? Is that something she said once more
than once or something.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
She just kept saying, And she just kept saying, where's Mike?

Speaker 9 (24:32):
And what if anything did you say? Responsible?

Speaker 5 (24:36):
I was just trying.

Speaker 12 (24:37):
I was just like, hold on, calm down. And as
I was doing I was rechecking like the alarm. I said,
he's home, he's home with the kids. Let me call him.
And at some point I hung up. I called my husband,
like I don't know, probably it felt like a hundred times.

Speaker 9 (24:58):
Now your work and when you get this call, is
that right?

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Mm hm?

Speaker 9 (25:03):
Your call? Sort of where you were what you were
doing when you got the call.

Speaker 12 (25:06):
I was getting ready to draw like morning labs, so
I know it was between like four and five am, some.

Speaker 9 (25:14):
Sort of streaming as far as where's Mike? What if
anything that the defendant indicators.

Speaker 8 (25:20):
To watch his task?

Speaker 5 (25:23):
John didn't come home.

Speaker 8 (25:25):
And from your knowledge of John O'Keefe, was that something
that was normal or not?

Speaker 5 (25:30):
No?

Speaker 13 (25:31):
No, Now, during this sort of.

Speaker 9 (25:43):
Initial call.

Speaker 8 (25:45):
With the defendants, what if anything did you hear sort
of in the background of that call?

Speaker 12 (25:51):
That first call? I don't think I heard anything, and
that your memories, Yeah, I don't remember it.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
Approach yes, And man, what I'm gonna do with this.

Speaker 9 (26:23):
Documents for you?

Speaker 8 (26:24):
M h I'm gonna direct your attention to this second
paragraph on the page.

Speaker 13 (26:28):
If you could just read that to yourself, okay, mhm.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Hm oh, okay, yeah, I don't know if that was yes, yes,
oh yeah.

Speaker 9 (26:56):
Sorry, mm hmmmm. So this came around after reading what
I just placed before years remember of freshness? What if
anything you heard in the background?

Speaker 5 (27:07):
Yeah, I could hear Kaylee in the background.

Speaker 9 (27:14):
And do you hang up on that call?

Speaker 5 (27:19):
And then what did you do call Michael?

Speaker 8 (27:23):
And at any point when you're calling Michael, I think
you said you felt like it was about a hundred
times then your husband.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Michael answered He never answered no.

Speaker 9 (27:33):
And so after you called husband many times, he didn't
answer what did you do?

Speaker 12 (27:39):
I called either Karen's phone or Kayley's phone back. I
texted John I think twice, and then I could whoever's
phone I called. I could hear Jen in the background
that someone had called Jen too.

Speaker 8 (27:58):
So you were speaking on the phone with Ye and
you could hear someone named Jen in the background.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
Yep, I could hear her in the background.

Speaker 9 (28:10):
And when you say you could hear.

Speaker 12 (28:11):
Someone like, it sounds sorry as Jen McCabe. She was
one of Madeline's soccer basketball coaches, so I know her voice.

Speaker 9 (28:24):
Her voice on the side, Yeah, yep. Did you know
her personally at all?

Speaker 5 (28:30):
I knew her as a Madeline's coach.

Speaker 9 (28:35):
And at some point you were talking to Yes, and
what is it that you were saying?

Speaker 5 (28:45):
I was just saying to her, is she is? Everybody? Okay?
Is she is?

Speaker 12 (28:51):
And she said they are going to go out looking
for him? I think she said she was gonna they
were gonna go out looking or she went out, She's
gonna go out. No one knows where he is. And
then I I think I like hung up with her.
And then at some point I maybe texted Kaylee or
called and I said, is she is Karen out? Alone

(29:15):
and she said no, she's with Jen and Carrie. So
I said, okay, as long as they're not alone.

Speaker 9 (29:26):
No.

Speaker 8 (29:28):
The second phone call, you're you're talking to Kaylee and
you can hear the defendant talk.

Speaker 9 (29:32):
About is that correct?

Speaker 5 (29:34):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (29:35):
And you hear one side of the conversation or both
sides of the conversations.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
I don't really recall exactly. I don't.

Speaker 12 (29:45):
I felt like it was just like a lot of
like screaming like he's not home.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
But I don't really recall one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
You know, I think she he does recall some of
what that phone call was, and she seems very reluctant
to say anything negative that might get Karen Read convicted
of murder. That's my take on it.

Speaker 9 (30:13):
But as far as the screaming that you've.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Heard that he's not home, it was Karen.

Speaker 9 (30:22):
And beyond that, as far as the conversation that you overheard, what.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
If anything specific about that conversation in addition to that.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
I don't.

Speaker 9 (30:37):
And while these phone calls are going on.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
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(31:08):
bunch of shorts early for members. How's everybody doing, hay
Dean Walker, everybody hanging in there? I mean, do you think,
I mean, do you think? How do you just remember
a bunch of screaming and in an almost three minute call?

(31:30):
I just don't get it.

Speaker 9 (31:33):
What is it that you're doing.

Speaker 12 (31:39):
I'm trying to, like in between draw abs for my patients,
and then I'm like going in the back room texting
or calling, and then I go back out to the desk,
out to the patients.

Speaker 9 (31:54):
I can mentioned that the dependent was sort of screaming
when the.

Speaker 8 (32:00):
Yep describe, how would you describe?

Speaker 12 (32:05):
And she was just like frantically screaming, just screaming, where's Mike?

Speaker 5 (32:21):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (32:22):
Now during this time you're sort of working or dealing
with patients and.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
Going on yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Again, just very nondescript screaming. I mean, we know that
Karen Reid was acting hysterical and she needed an audience
of course to act hysterical in front of. But I
can't believe that she doesn't remember. What do you think
maybe Karen Reid might have been? Did I hit him?

(32:51):
I hit him? Some variation of that, and Catherine Camerona
doesn't want to repeat it. Or maybe he was hit
by a plow or something else. I don't know, what
do you guys think.

Speaker 8 (33:05):
And in addition to speaking on the phone with.

Speaker 9 (33:08):
The and with anyone else, did out to or did.

Speaker 8 (33:12):
You talk to that one.

Speaker 9 (33:16):
Am?

Speaker 12 (33:17):
I talked to Carrie Roberts in the morning at some point.
I don't know if I called her. She called me
and she said that I think that he was going
to the hospital. And then I called my husband and
told him that Kaylee was home alone and that he
should go get her because she was at the house alone.

Speaker 8 (33:41):
Is it your understanding that your husband Michael then went to.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (33:47):
Sorry, now you mentioned that at some point you spoke to
Kerry Roberts.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
I've known her in high school and as far as
you grew up in the no.

Speaker 12 (34:08):
I was friends with her cousin, so I had known
her and I've always known her. I've been friends with
her for a while.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
Ay.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
So that's that is Catherine case of Catherine Cameron as
odd alevision hack.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Anyone can use.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Odd testimony. Here's a little bit more of it.

Speaker 8 (34:37):
Speaking on the phone with the defendant and Kaye with
anyone else.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Did you reach out to or did you talk.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
To that point?

Speaker 12 (34:47):
I am I talked to Carrie Roberts in the morning
at some point. I don't know if I called her.
She called me and she said that I think that
he was going to the hospital. And then I called
my husband and told him that Kaylee was home alone
and that he.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
Should go get her because she was at the house alone.

Speaker 8 (35:11):
Is in your understanding that your husband Michael then went
to Meadows to pick up Kyley?

Speaker 14 (35:17):
Yes, sorry, America is back thanks to President Okay, And
here's Michael Cameron some moony.

Speaker 15 (35:34):
In regard to that Friday night, January twenty eighth, or
the plan was for you and John to go to
McCarthy's to have some drinks because there was a storm
coming in correctly, and because of the celebration of the
girls getting into the Bishop friend.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Well, yeah, we were going out. It wasn't a continue
continuation of the celebration of the girls. We were going
out to have a few beers as guys.

Speaker 15 (36:02):
And when you were leaving the house, John asked you
to move your car right correct? Where was your car
when John asked you to move it?

Speaker 5 (36:10):
That night?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Actually I have Michael Cameron.

Speaker 11 (36:14):
Let's let's let's let's look at his his.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Full testimony, shall we?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Shall we?

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Shall we take a better look at his full testimony
in this Yeah, I mean, it just seems more likely
to me, at least second, that that he that he

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originally got these calls later closer to six point thirty
and probably got over there by seven.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Did you spend time?

Speaker 10 (36:57):
Okay, hold on, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
So did you guys hear the news that Judge Cannoni
is no longer gonna preside over criminal trials and she's
going to the civil division. So nightmare of all nightmares.
Judge Cononi could be the judge for the civil trial,
meaning the o'key family suing Karen Reid for wrongful death.

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Judge Connoni could be presiding over it.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, good morning, sir, Good morning. Could you please introduce
yourself to the jury.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Good morning. My name is Michael Camerono.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Can I ask how old you are? I'm sorry, spell
your last name.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
C amer A n o.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
And so if you could either move the microphone down
a little bit or speak up, or maybe a combination
of both, please, thank you.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Thank you. Could I ask you how old you are
forty eight.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Where do you live Canton, Mass?

Speaker 3 (38:18):
How long have you lived in Canton.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
For Me and my wife have lived there for twenty years.
Me and my wife have lived there for twenty years.
We have two children.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
How old are your children, Sir?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
My daughter is seventeen, my son is fourteen.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Did you know John o'keith?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (38:36):
How did you know him?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I met John for the first time at his sister's
and his sisters they had benefit for his sister in
twenty I think thirteen. I met John there for the
first time. Then years later our kids got involved with
sports together and they became very close. As they became close,

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I became very close with John and his family.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Was your daughter close with John's niece?

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Was your son close with Yes? Did you spend a
lot of time together through sports and socially?

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yes, we did.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
I wanted to take you forward to January twenty eighth
of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Okay, do you remember that day? Yes?

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Had you without any discussion of what might have been said?
Did you have any discussions with John that day?

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yes? Did you have a plan, yes, we were communicating.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
At some point.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Did you decide that you were going to spend some
time or go meet John.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yes, that Friday, my daughter and his daughter.

Speaker 16 (39:51):
They got acceptance let us to school, so we wanted
to get them together so they could enjoy the time
together and you know, just you know, go over like
how it will be so much fun, something new, different.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, so we were going to meet up after.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Well, I mean something new and different. I mean, you know,
you're really proud of your daughter for getting into school
like some one of these milestone moments. And I'm sure
John O'Keefe was really proud of his niece. Unfortunately, Karen
Reid ended his life and ended that relationship and re

(40:34):
victimized a child who had already been traumatized by the
death of her mother to cancer, her father or death
of her father three months later to a heart heart failure,
heart attack. I mean, why you would, why you would?

(40:56):
Why Karen Reid did not go to our own house
in Mansfield that night, why she had and why was
the first person that she woke up was Calle. And
I still don't understand why someone didn't stay with Caylee.
Why did they both you know, why didn't Carrie Roberts

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or Jen McCabe stay with Calle when they were already
in the home and one of them go out with
Karen to look for John. You know, you have a
child who's been traumatized by sudden you know, one minute
your mother as well. The next minute she's undergoing chemo.
In the next minute, she's dead. You have a one day,

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your dad is walking around, the next minute he's dead
of a heart attack. One minute, your fun uncle, your
only care you know, your your main caretaker is walking
around telling you, texting you that he'll be back, and
you're putting away your phone. In the next you have

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a woman who's totally been not invited into the home,
is there by her own volition, waking you up, shaking
you awake, and re traumatizing you. I mean, she did
in the worst way possible. Could not have been worse.

(42:25):
When Karen read knew all along that something terrible, that
she had run him over, and that that he was
either dead or hanging on to life. I don't know.
I think she knew at that point he was dead.
You know, in the first trial, with the testimony of
Carrie Roberts and Jen McCabe, we weren't sure if John

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O'Keefe was clinging to life when they found him, or
if he had passed. But in this trial, in the
second trial, Hank Frennan made it very clear that he
was gone, he was dead, and that Carrie Roberts was
trying to give CPR to a corpse and Karen Reid
was pretending to give CPR to him and she never

(43:14):
cleared his airways. She was like, I don't know. I
never knew if I was doing it right. She knew
it was Who's beyond help. She knew it was just
for a show at that point. I mean, everything she
did that morning was for show, with getting Carriy Roberts,
getting Jen McCabe, returning them to the scene. Everything was

(43:35):
for her to show everybody she was upset, and nothing
was about getting John help. Because she wanted to get
John help. She would have called nine one one and
said I left my boyfriend after I hit him, reversed
into him in the snow year go find him, or
after she reversed into him. She could have called Jen

(43:56):
McCabe or someone else, go out, I just hit John.
But it was she. You know, it's always this is
the theme with Karen Reid looking out for number one.
How were these people going to help me, so it

(44:18):
was helpful for her to mix it all up include
other characters and personalities, and we all have personalities with faults,
and she knew she had she had profiled these people.
So originally she really went into Catherine Camerano because I

(44:39):
think she knew Katherine Camerano was the kind of person
who would have clammed up about the most damning evidence
against her and been too timid or self persevering or
whatever else to ever really expose Karen Reid for the
psychopathic murderer that she is. She wanted the Cameranos, and

(45:04):
you can see in their evidence even when he talks
about Richie the plumber, meaning Karen Reid's last hour and
ten minutes of communication with John O'Keeffe on text message
that night was all about this plumber that she had
over fixing her hot water issue. She couldn't come out
to the bar because she was late because Richie was

(45:27):
late and he was fixing her rusty pipe issue. Richie
even showed her a piece of the pipe. And when
this hot water issue was ever fixed, we don't know
because during the time, she said she went to her
parents' house and cried on their sofa for three days
when we knew she was really out retracing her steps

(45:52):
with her private investigator. It's going to help her evade
responsibility for her murder, John O'Keefe. So we don't know
when she ever, when, if ever this hot water issue
was resolved, or if it was a lie she made
up to go John into anger. And we don't know

(46:18):
if any text messages were ever found on her phone
between her and this plumber.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I got out of work.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Speaking of the plumber. I mean, I mean, this really
tells the entire the entire story of the plumber.

Speaker 17 (46:38):
Everyone is waiting for me to arrive at the barn
at home in less feel them making.

Speaker 15 (46:51):
Up on the Cole s.

Speaker 17 (46:57):
His name is a RIGI the plumber.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
No hot water.

Speaker 18 (47:01):
It's a bummer.

Speaker 17 (47:02):
I saw a figment of my imagineation. Call it a lie,
a faint right, full indignation, called the plumber. I got
a rusty pipe. He water is not working. I'll start
in a fight. Sure is a lie, but it's a

(47:24):
little one. Gotta get my boyfriend under my phone, John says,
he and his papa, who would have fixed it if
only this broken pipe in real life existing causing pain
and suffering is what I do best. Put in my

(47:47):
boyfriend's patience through test after test. Richie, my imaginary plumber,
is at home, deeed, both hoping that story will get
a rise out of my boyfriend and his little beetle.

Speaker 18 (48:06):
I'll arrive at the bush hollin up late, make him
angry right.

Speaker 17 (48:10):
Out of the gate.

Speaker 18 (48:11):
He's so I feeling lovey dovey. I'm Donrightiston's coming. I'll
tell many drinks and aron him over after it gets late, scream.

Speaker 17 (48:21):
And cry it's you, John lieh.

Speaker 18 (48:25):
Leave him to die in a blizzard, inflicting pain on
a whizer. Get jend to call nine one one, have
the whole town pointing fingers when it's over and dune.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Okay, there's the story of the plumber, Richie the plumber.
Will we ever learn in the civil trial? Will Richie
be deposed? Will Richie be investigated? Is rich was Richie
a real plumber who had put on Karen Reid's toilet
seats crooked before so she said about him? Or is

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Richie entire figment of her imagination? Does he really exist?
Did he ever do plumbing issues? Did he do plumbing issues?
Did he fix her hot water that night, But it's
certainly if he wasn't fixing her hot water that night,
it certainly paints Karen Reid is a pathological liar. Dean Walker,
thank you so much. Really appreciate your support, especially on

(49:35):
these smaller shows.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Is your daughter planning to go to a new school?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yes? Where Bishop Fann?

Speaker 3 (49:45):
And how about his niece? Same They both got accepted.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
They both got accepted to the same school.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Was it a celebratory move yes. Did you have a
plan to.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Bring the children together so they could celebrate, Yes, we did,
and then separately, you were going to meet John and celebrate.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Where did you drop your daughter off?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I dropped my daughter off at John. I went into John's.
I was at the house with John and the girls,
and we had a little celebration, talked about help, how nice,
it's going to be fun, change different, meet new people.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
And you celebrated at John's house before you went out.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
After the celebration with your children, did you and John leave?
Yes during that celebration. Was it anybody right?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
But domestic violence never came into this case, which I
always thought was a mistake. You know, Karen Reid's father
is out there giving interviews going with the old innocence
fraud line Karen Reid could be us all, when in fact,
you're more likely to be in a DV relationship and

(50:57):
be murdered by your partner, especially if you're a woman,
then be falsely accused of a of a crime. Lol.
You know, obviously she wasn't or falsely falsely prosecuted. There's

(51:21):
no evidence that she was falsely accused or prosecuted for
this crime. I mean, we should all hope we could
be Karen Reid and if we committed a crime, become
turned you know. I mean, it's amazing that she has
turned it around in the meat with the help of

(51:42):
the media and the help of YouTubers and a blogger,
Aiden Carney, has made herself out to be this psychopathic murderer,
has made herself out to be Mother Teresa. I mean,
not even Mother Teresa. That's not even a good example. Sorry,
Princess Diana treated like it says Dieta the Queen who else?

(52:05):
I don't know, It is bizarre. I mean, you look
at those interviews with Karen Reid during the trial, and
the press is just beaming. I mean, the greatest journalist
in this whole case is Carl Dugal best best interview

(52:26):
with Karen Reid? How come you admitted it like three
or four times? You did the only one to ever
ask a second question. John O'Keefe's friend, Carl Dugal best journalist.
I give him Journalist of the Year award in this case.
And he came face to face with Karen reidid in Flinch,

(52:52):
and you saw the way Karen Reid turned it around
when he said we know who did it. We know
who did it. Remember he said you didn't do it, Karen,
that's a journalist. And when she met up on again,
you're the first person who brought up cover up. You
asked if it was a cover up. No, he didn't.
He asked if you didn't, you couldn't deny it. You said,

(53:14):
we all know who did it. And then later on
a year in what is it? Year in three? Almost
two years later, a year and a half later, you're
saying we don't know who did it, just kidding lol,
And we said we all know who did it, we
all including me. I was just kidding. But there was

(53:36):
Carl going, well, how come you admitted it like three
or four times? And I mean, that's an understatement. Three
or four times. This is all my fault. I hit him,
I hit him? Did I hit him? Could I have
hit him? Why'd you she asked a question? Yeah, she

(54:00):
asked a question. In between making full on admissions I
hit him, I hit him. Only Carl Ducalho asked why
did you say I hit him so many times? Never
once did any other journalists say, well, why did you

(54:21):
say I hit him so many times? Why would you
be saying I hit him? Why did you think you
hit him? And they all ask these ridiculous softball questions
because you know why they don't ask. They don't ask
because a some of them just want to see a

(54:42):
murderer get over on the system because they're dark personalities themselves,
or they're innocent fraudsters, or two they don't care that
a psychopathic murderer might be on the loose. They're happy
to help her to get the next interview and advance

(55:06):
their career.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
There other than you, John and your two daughters.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
No, no, Karen was not there was there anybody else there, No,
just the just the two girls, myself and John.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
What was the weather like that night?

Speaker 1 (55:26):
It was cold, It was not snowing yet was there
an expectation, yes, expect Yes? What was that that there
was going to be a big snowstorm coming in? Yes?

Speaker 4 (55:38):
When you left? Did you leave in a separate car, then, John,
did you leave together?

Speaker 1 (55:42):
No? We left, we left together. We were John got
in my car and we were leaving.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
We're going to leave, John said in text message to
John O'Keefe said in text message to Karen read I'm
relying on you for a ride home. So I don't
think he would have gotten out of that car not
expecting Karen Reid to come with them. I think they

(56:12):
were arguing. It was the end of the argument and
he had either broken up with her or they had
to fight about Cally Orton, Patrick, John o'keithsneez a nephew
or the plumber. You take your pick, or I've had enough.

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This is the end? Are you coming after this? This
is it? I mean, he was saying to her and
text mess I'm just not into fighting all the time.
I don't bounce back as quick as you do. Just
not into this. And according to Calley's testimony, he was

(56:55):
saying things to her like this relationship has run its
course and he had asked her to leave before, and
she wouldn't leave. So you don't leave me. I'm going
to teach you a lesson. And she expressed her anger

(57:19):
by putting her foot seventy four point five percent down
on the gas pedal and hit him in reverse, going
twenty four miles an hour up to twenty four hours
an hour. I don't know if I've ever gone in
reverse that fast in my life. What reason would you have?

(57:48):
Because when it's an accident, and when people say, well,
I don't think she meant it. She meant it. She
didn't mean to hit him. Why didn't she get out
when she felt she struck something? When you hid something
with your car, she told her father, I felt I
struck him, went through her whole body, the reverberations of
John O'Keefe's body on her six thousand pound car, and

(58:10):
she clipped him. She felt she hit something. Why not
get out? She clearly said he didn't look mortally wounded
after she hit him that night, which I think is
an omission. In the negative, he looked mortally wounded. She
left him to die there like roadkill, as she says,

(58:34):
that's what I think of you. You'll die like a
piece of trash on the side of the road. Every
action that she did that night anger can be inferred
into it. Anger hatred, and she went in to degrade him.

(58:54):
She went into him to die in a degrading way.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Where were the girls?

Speaker 1 (59:01):
The girls are in the house, stayed in the house.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
They was staying at John's house.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yes, correct, Where.

Speaker 9 (59:05):
Did you go?

Speaker 1 (59:06):
We went to see if McCarthy's.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I mean, I really wonder if if Karen Reid ran
over a dog the way she ran over John o'keeffan
left a dog to die in this way, if she
would have the public support. But since he was a cop,
you know it's okay. The cop hatred in this country

(59:31):
is always popular with Americans in our media.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
When you got there, did you know anybody who was
there other than you and John at that time?

Speaker 15 (59:39):
No?

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Did you spend time in see at McCarthy's.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yes, well you're drinking? Yes?

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Was John drinking?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Alcohol?

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (59:47):
How long were you there for.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
A couple hours?

Speaker 3 (59:51):
While you were there, did anybody come and meet you
that you knew?

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Yes, a friend and then Karen came in the friend Yes, what.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Was a friend's name, Kurt? And then how long after
you first got there. Was it that the defendant arride.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
I would like to say within an hour or so?
One hundred percent sure.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
You said back home it was a salvatory mood. Was
it still a salvatory mood at McCarthy's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Yes, when you when the defendant arrived. Did you spend
time with you and John?

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I've talked poefly to her, and her and John we're
mostly talking.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
You didn't see any issues?

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
No, it was a normal night, seemed to be Yes,
as far as you can see.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
And you saw John drinking?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Did you see the defendant drinking?

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I saw her with a glass. Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Did you leave at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I'm sorry about my air conditioner. I know it's so loud.
I was listening back to the whole episode live story
Reader the other day. It sounds like I've made a
tunnel wind tunnel. This air conditioner. I try to keep
it off as much as I can. Just gets really
hot near guys. Anytime you say it was a normal night,

(01:01:08):
you know it was anything but normal. I mean, and
this is another problem where I mean, not only do
we have witnesses like this determined to say the least,
you know, kind of put their head down, say the
least not get attacked. I mean you could see the way.
I mean when it comes to the plumber, how he
barely gets it out and cross. We'll get to that.

(01:01:33):
But it was helped by this idea that things were
going great, or their relationship was good up to a point.
I mean, was it good in the love bombing stage
or was it good in the coercively controlling stage, or
was it good in the devaluing, demeaning stage. I mean

(01:01:57):
they were putting on a public mass. I mean that's
Karen Reid was very good at putting on a fake
public persona. And John o'keef was, you know, not up
to airing his dirty laundrio, though he did tell Michael
Camarano he was angry that Karen Reid didn't ask him

(01:02:17):
and his dad to fix her plumbing issue. His dad's
a plumber.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
And that's John left.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
No, I did not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
When you left? Was John still at the establishment?

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
When you left? Was the defendant still with him?

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Why did you leave?

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
I left because I got a phone call. My son
was playing hockey in the backyard and he got hit
with a stick and lost his tooth.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Where did you go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
I went to my son's friend's house.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Do you know about what time that was when you
went to see your son?

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
I would like to say nine thirty, between nine thirty
and ten.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
You didn't go back to McCarthy's that night, did you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I did not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
After you helped your son, where did you go next?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I went to pick up my daughter Madeline. Did you
at John's house?

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Did you go in John's house?

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
No? I did not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
When you got to John's house, did your daughter come out?

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
No? We went to the side door and rang the doorbell,
and then what happened? And then my daughter came to
the door. Where'd you go from there? We left and
went home.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
When you went home? Had the weather changed at all?

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
It was cool? It might have been flurrying at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
No accumulation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
No, No, you got home? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Did you do any significant when you got home?

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Put the kids to bed? My son and no. I
went to bed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
What's the next thing you remember happening?

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Waking up to I missed some phone calls?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Who are miss phone calls from?

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
From my wife and Karen?

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
What did you do?

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I called my.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Wife After speaking to your wife?

Speaker 15 (01:03:47):
What did you do?

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I got in my car and drove to John's house.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
About what time was this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
In between maybe five and six am?

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
What was your mood at that point?

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
I was panicked? Why did you go to John's house
because I went to get Kayley.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Did you know if she was alone?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
How long did it take you to get to John's house?

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Maybe five seven minutes?

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
When do you get to John's house? What do you see?

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
My pulling the driveway. I see that the garage door
is open. I go in through the garage door. I
don't know if Kaylee was standing there at the door.
She was. She came out the door, and I asked her,
you know, if she needed anything, she could get my
car and stay warm.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
And when you first saw Kaylee, what did she look like?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
She looked distraught.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Did you try to help her?

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Well, I just I think I just said it, but
everything will be okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Did you come with you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Yes? Where are you're going to my house?

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
That's what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
So we go to my house and my daughter is
up and the two girls are just they were hanging downstairs,
just hanging out, peen kids. And then a couple of
hours later, maybe Paul called me and asked me to
bring Kaylee home.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Did you know anything at that point?

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I did? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
You did or didn't?

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
At that point?

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
When Paul had told me, So what do you do
ask Madeline and Kaylee? If I say, Maline, we come
for the ride, I don't say anything to Kaylee and
why we get in the car and I started heading
back to John's house.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
And you didn't say anything to Kaye?

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
No, I didn't. I just said that everything will be
all right. She she she had a.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Feeling right because she'd been through this trauma before she
knew what death was like. She was ready. She's ready
for this is a third you know, third real, absolute

(01:06:24):
devastating experience, all all before you turn eighteen? Awful.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Why do you say that she don't want to go home?

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
So what happens to next?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
We? So I pulled on the driveway and I remember
Paul and Papa standing, I think they were standing the
side door, and we just embraced.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Did you stay no?

Speaker 8 (01:06:58):
No?

Speaker 19 (01:06:58):
No long?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Did you go back?

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
I was to the house. I went back to my house.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Did you go back to John's house?

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I did the next day. Yes, I was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
There when you went back with the people there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Yes, many, there was people coming and going, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I have no further questions, and Karen Reid would still
soon arrive with the to go retrieve her murder vehicle
and her stuff and get the murder vehicle out out
of the out of the hands of the cops.

Speaker 15 (01:07:42):
Good morning, mister Cameron, Good morning. This is quite painful
for you to remember the events of January twenty eighth visiting.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Yeah, because your client murdered my friend.

Speaker 15 (01:07:55):
Yes, you were very close with your friend John o'keith.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Correct. I was close with the me.

Speaker 15 (01:07:59):
Yes, and you actually met Karen Reid.

Speaker 19 (01:08:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
It's been made more painful by lying lawyers like you
starting an innocence fraud campaign and a witness harassment campaign
to get your killer client off. Yeah, you made everything
more painful, schmucko through John correct.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Correct.

Speaker 15 (01:08:19):
After meeting Karen, you spent a good amount of time
with both Karen and John correct. Correct as of January
twenty eighth, of twenty twenty two, you had known Karen
for maybe about a year or so, sounds correct. And
you see them especially on Fridays correct.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Correct.

Speaker 15 (01:08:36):
That would be sort of the day that you get
together with both of them often. Yes, And of course
your children spent a lot of time with John and
Karen right correct. You had trusted both Karen and John
with your kids. Yes, Sometimes your kids would even go
on vacation with.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Karen and John.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Right. They did go to the KPS.

Speaker 15 (01:08:55):
Sometimes you'd see Karen without John at your house or
on a ball field. Correct. And your daughter in particular,
would sometimes spend time with just Karen without John correct.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Correct.

Speaker 15 (01:09:06):
Your daughter would sometimes go over to Karen's house in
Mansfield when she lived there correct Correct. And obviously, when
your daughter would go to Karen's house in Mansfield, Karen
would be the one in charge of Karen.

Speaker 9 (01:09:18):
For her correct.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Correct.

Speaker 15 (01:09:20):
And you were fine with that because you liked and
you trusted Karen right correct, And in you of you,
Karen was very good with kids, right correct. But you
also had the opportunity to see Karen and John together.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Right.

Speaker 15 (01:09:34):
Yes, you saw how they interacted with each other over
that year period that you knew Karen. Yes, you saw
how they got along. Yes, And you never observed any
arguments or bickering.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Correct, I mean they argued.

Speaker 15 (01:09:51):
You would previously testify that you wouldn't even call it arguing,
and you just call it banter.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Right, yes, I mean he would. I mean no, he
would get upset or like over if she she bought
expensive things for the kid.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
I mean this helps Karen read she was too nice
to the kids. But why was he buying her? Why
was Karen Reid buying all these expensive Yes, yes, we
will to gain power and control over the kids.

Speaker 15 (01:10:22):
Get to that. That would be the one thing that
John would.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
I mean, you know, Caley's testimony was that Karen would
drop her off to get her nails done and then
pick her up, and that this she wouldn't attend to
her sports games. That was always her dad. I mean
the real you know, the real heart. It's easy to
buy things, but the real day to day hard work

(01:10:48):
of raising a kid. Karen Reid was not interested, and
she'd run hot in gold and if you weren't appreciative enough,
she would get angry with you. This is all testimony.
You know, the public didn't he her because these are
minor witnesses and it wasn't very well reported by mainstream media.

Speaker 15 (01:11:08):
There is complain about Karen buying like very nice things
for his niece and nephew, right correct or, He complained
if Karen was taking his niece and other girls.

Speaker 8 (01:11:21):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
But you know here Michael Camerono is just saying the
least to get off the hot seat here.

Speaker 15 (01:11:31):
To get their nails done, like extravagances like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
And there's there also, and this is another issue, is
they're also trying to dispel the idea that Karen Reid
was someone how singled out get the girl, So they
all have to kind of say, oh, we liked her,
it was a great relationship. And that was another issue
to that helped Karen Read in this So any any

(01:11:58):
issues with Karen Reid's personality or things that they saw,
they didn't talk about. So that was another well designed,
crafted part of Karen Read's innocent throat campaign.

Speaker 15 (01:12:07):
And one specific memory you have is when Karen bought
his niece a very expensive swept, right, correct, And you
recall John telling you that he wished that she hadn't
done that because he considered that to be spoiling that
the girl.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Correct. Yes, But it was very clear to.

Speaker 15 (01:12:23):
You from your observations that Karen really really liked.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
John, really really liked John. Not the kids. She said
the kids were made us toxic. She really really liked
John until she murdered him. She really picked him out
as her mark until she she murdered him and left
him alone to die in a blizzard. I'm sorry, look

(01:12:46):
at these lawyers really.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Really liked right, Sistine.

Speaker 15 (01:12:50):
He certainly never told you or even suggests that he
was thinking about or planning to break up with Karen. Right, No, okay, so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
With the but he did tell Karen that, and he
did ask her to leave. He did was telling her
things like the relationship had run its scores. That's what Kalys.

Speaker 15 (01:13:07):
That Friday night, January twenty eighth, the plan was for
you and John to go to McCarthy's to have some
drinks because there was a storm coming in, correct, and
because of the celebration of the girls getting into the
Bishop friend.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Well, yeah, we were going out. It wasn't continuation of
the celebration of the girls. We were going out to
have a few beers as guys.

Speaker 15 (01:13:28):
And when you were leaving the house, John asked you
to move your car right correct? Where was your car
when John asked you to move it that night?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Actually I backed up my car. We were leaving the
driveway and John asked me to stop so he could
move his car, and he.

Speaker 15 (01:13:43):
Wanted you to move your car because of the storm
coming in, and he wanted Karen to be able to
pull her car into the garage, right, correct, And that
was really thoughtful of them, wasn't it. Yes, extremely it
showed you that he was being Suval Wrouse toward Karen
that night, right, Yes, he didn't want Karen be out
in the heavy snow later when she returned to his
house during the expected blizzard, right, Sistine, You took from

(01:14:05):
that that there was an expectation that Karen would be
coming back to his house. Correctly, You had no inkling
that data.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Yeah, with him, there was no invitation to run John
O'Keeffe over and leave him to die in a blizzard
and then sneak into his house and make his house
you know, ground zero for how to get away with

(01:14:35):
my murder? You know Grand commandment Grand you know, like
ground zero for Karen Reid's offices on how to get
away with their murder. I mean, is so brazen to

(01:14:56):
just go into his house, don't take off her shoes
because he's just killed him, so as the rules don't
apply anymore. And now I'm going to just work from
here to make sure that evidence of me coming home
with my busted tail lights off, the ring camera and
whatever else she did in that house. I don't know

(01:15:18):
when she did it. She could have done it on
an app she could have done it. But there is
a reason she went to his house and not to
her house.

Speaker 15 (01:15:29):
Anything was wrong between Karen and John, correct, No, everything
seemed fine between the two of them, right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Yes, he did mention all that night that there was
he was. He was just he was didn't understand why
Karen had a plumber go to.

Speaker 15 (01:15:43):
The house because he had somebody that could have done
that work.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
He didn't understand. This is like the first thing Michael
Camerono told police. He was annoyed, upset what whatever Michael
Camerono's interpretation of John's mood, he didn't understand. It wasn't
he wasn't confused by it. It pissed him off. And
here's Michael Camerono just minimizing everything. So not a helpful witness,

(01:16:14):
more of a helpful witness to Karen Diddo, Katherine Camerano
and they and Karen Reid would have profiled these people,
being the psychopath that she is beforehand and had knowledge
of this before she picked them out. They were the
first people she called. She wanted to talk to you

(01:16:35):
that morning, Katherine Camerano, Michael Camerono. She wanted to talk
to both of them. Where's Mike? She knew that they wouldn't,
that they would be helpful to her, that their personalities
would be helpful. That's what I have for today, guys.
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(01:17:23):
so don't go anywhere. I will be back tomorrow at
six pm Eastern and have a great night everyone.

Speaker 7 (01:17:39):
Hi, hit my boyfriend with my car. It wasn't an accident,
but with Lion lawyers, I'll go far. Lion Lawyers and
witness harass hall avoid prison.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
It was so much I pushed the pain on.

Speaker 17 (01:18:05):
Now hit him hard now the legal.

Speaker 7 (01:18:10):
System my clown incense for a campaign to save my skin.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Making money.

Speaker 7 (01:18:27):
Truth is my second victim.

Speaker 19 (01:18:31):
Carry carry ginger like John or Mama. My innocence for
a campaign is my biggest.

Speaker 15 (01:19:00):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
I hit my boyfriend on with my coat.

Speaker 7 (01:19:16):
It wasn't act.

Speaker 19 (01:19:23):
Both liing lawyers I'll go far, lion lawyers and witness harassment.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
I'll avoid prison.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
It was snowing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
I pushed the pedal.

Speaker 15 (01:19:38):
Down, hit him hard.

Speaker 19 (01:19:41):
Now the legal system of my clown in a sense,
from a campaign to save my skin.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Making money.

Speaker 18 (01:19:56):
In truth, this is my second victim.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Carri carring ginging like.

Speaker 19 (01:20:04):
John were my book. My innocence Frock campaign is my
thick is if

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