October 8, 2025 • 74 mins
New Karen Read hearing- Karen Read wants her phones back. The Judge takes a u-turn mid-hearing and makes a surprising ruling. Aidan “Turtleboy” Kearney picks up a cyber harassment charge from NJ and fabricates a narrative to get him out of hot water with Free Karen Read for secretly taping Karen Read’s phone calls..
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, just to be clear, you didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up. You all know if
John was beaten up and attacked in that house. Who
did it? We don't know. We don't know. We don't know,
and it's not for us to know. Somebody other than Karen.
Somebody other than Karen is responsible for that, for the
killing of John. You are listening to the ROBERTA. Glass
(00:36):
True Crime report putting the true back in true crime
from New York City.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
ROBERTA.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Glass is now on the record. Okay, why am I
(01:11):
in this big block? Hello, everybody, Let me get out
of this giant block that I'm in in the middle
of the screen, and I will say hello to everybody.
That's a little bit better. Okay, all right now I
(01:35):
feel comfortable now that I'm not in a giant block
in the middle of the screen. Hello, Ruth Lang, Hello,
true Crime and d I y falls fails, Yeah, fails.
Hello Caroline Henna Hello, and hello Blue River. It's an
(02:06):
interesting hike, Darkseide, Maestro she Fly nine. Hello, everybody. I
think we've done a roll call, roll call everybody here,
So interesting day to day, Karen Reid had a hearing.
Thanks to everybody you showed up for that done really
(02:27):
on the fly. It's up in the live section. Hopefully
I can edit it down. There's a lot of very
interesting stuff going on in Karen Reid world. Aiden Carney
is in hot water. So to go back, Aiden Carney deny.
(02:53):
So it came out that Aiden Carney via leaked text
messages by guys from named Nick Miller from Philadelphia. He
goes by Joe the flipperhead on X put out text
messages between himself and Karen Reid. Karen Reid saying I've
had it with turtle Boy. He taped my phone call
(03:17):
and he was sharing it with Free Karen Reid supporters.
And that recorded phone call ended up either Aidan Karney
sent it to Karen Reid's lawyers or the Free Karen
readers sent it to Karen Reid's lawyers, but it ended
(03:38):
up at David and Nannetti's email box in Alan Jackson's
email box, ticked off Karen Reid. Karen. Then Aiden Karney denied.
He said, show me the receipts. You can listen to
the whole show down on spaces on X between Aiden
(04:03):
Karney and Chris the Koala John on Space on Spaces
and Joe Flipperhead all got into it. Aiden Karney denied,
said that they're all lying, that he never taped Karen
Reid's phone calls, that no recording exists, and then all
(04:24):
these clips of Aiden Karney and Karen Reid phone recording
got leaked, so that made Aiden Karney person non grata
in Free Karen Reid or with a lot of Freekiren
(04:45):
readers are still loyal to Aiden Karney. A lot of
them have turned on Aiden Karney, so it's a house divided.
They started blaming it on Meredith O'Neil. Aiden Karney's Now
Aiden Carney has picked up a new charge a new
Jersey for cyber harassment. It should revoke his bail, but
(05:09):
we haven't heard any signs of that happening in Massachusetts,
even though it's a new Jersey. Any new kind of
charges like that would get his bail revoked. But he
was in court today and it didn't seem to spoiler alert.
It didn't seem to make any difference or the judge
was not alerted to these charges, so they're not looking
to revoke his bail, but a very interesting So he
(05:38):
has desperately been trying to change the narrative as he
always is. He's been as he did with the Karen
Reid story. Look elsewhere, I mean he learned this from
Karen Reid or Karen Reid's defense was very much like this,
look somewhere else, don't look at my own behavior here.
(06:01):
And in doing so, he said he has these emails
of John de Pietro trying to get Hank Brennan on
his show, and John di Petro says that these emails
are completely fake. We'll get into that maybe a little
(06:21):
later if we have time, and that he went to
the police with it, so that is aid and Aidan
Carney says that he's dropping Karen Reid. He's putting down
his sword. Strangely, I mean, doesn't any of the Free
Karen readers find it odd that Karen Reid, if she
was really falsely accused or falsely prosecuted for this crime,
(06:44):
that she's not looking for the real killers. At first
she knew who did it. Now she doesn't know who
did it. It's not up to her to solve this crime,
but has no interest is rather be selling her story
to Hollywood doesn't care who killed her boyfriend of two years.
(07:06):
And I mean, wouldn't that be the ultimate exoneration to
to get a conviction. I mean they know, I mean,
this is such an innocence fraw tactic that none of
these killers ever go after finding the real killer. It's
a little like OJ's one eight hundred number that he
set up for to find the real killers. I'll never
(07:28):
forget what Howard Stern called that. Dub Bird was like,
I know who did it? Give me the reward? You
did it? Ohjay, you did it. Karen Reid, you did it. However,
it's just like again, a distraction technique. So creating false narratives,
creating a distraction, that is the name of the game
when it comes to innocence fraud or part of the game,
(07:51):
let's put it that way. But today in court it
looked like Karen Reid was going to get her phone
backs immediately, like immediately these phones were taken to investigate
Karen Reid's part in Adien Carney's witness harassment charges. So
(08:11):
this was a zoom hearing on Aiden's case, of which
Karen Reid's lawyers came in and said, give us back
our phones, you've had them too long. And the stag's
position is like, look, we can't get into them. Karen
Reid hasn't given us her passwords, we can't get into them.
And there's a process. We need a Tait team, we
(08:31):
need to make sure that we don't go into any
kind of privileged material. We heard her lawyers and we
know that Karen Reid is very worried about what's on
these phones. So when the grand jur in one of
the issues that Karen Reid brought up, if you were
at my live yesterday where we went through the whole
(08:55):
Karen Reid's lawyer her filing on these phone issues was like,
there's nothing on here, nothing to see. Already the grand
jury couldn't even indict her. But first of all, we
know that there was a free Karen Reader on the
grand jury, Jessica Leslie, who's already been convicted and sentenced
(09:20):
for leaking information in Karen Reid's case, either to Karen
Read directly or to Turtle Boy directly or via a
friend in the details of that have all been kept
really secret. She's been really protected, and Aiden Carney's been
(09:43):
really protected, and Karen Reid's really been protected in that
whole grand jury scandal, but we can't. So they're like,
there's nothing to see on these phones. Grand jury's already
failed to go forward with charges. But we know that
grand jury didn't see anything that was on these two
phones that they grabbed. They only saw Aiden Carney's text
(10:07):
messages too, and from Karen Reid. But we would have
to think that there's a lot more on there or
else Karen Reid would not have said the clip of
the phone calls that was released between her and Aiden Karney,
do you know what they have? Do you know what
was on my phone that they took? Like it's scary.
(10:28):
Aiden Karney says she's very worried about any kind of
indictment for witness harassment or any kind of federal investigation
anything having to do with what's on those phones. She
is nervous, so she wanted these phones back quick as possible.
It looked like the judge was going to rule right
away in her favor and took a quick u turn.
(10:50):
Very interesting hearing, surprisingly fascinating hearing, compelling hearing today. Let's
take a look at it together. Sorry, it's not visually
very interesting to zoom hearing. But let's take a let's
(11:11):
take a listen.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Seven and nine. I'm versus Aiden Carney twenty three CR
three one three, twenty four c R four three, twenty
five CR eight eight. If mister Kearney joins us via zoom,
if the parties could please identify themselves for the record,
(11:33):
Good afternoon, your run around, Robert cosgro for the comic, okay,
mister cosgo, Oh you are.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
A Timothy Bradle for mister Karney.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Good to be with you, Okay, good after an attorney
see Buzang on behalf of miss read.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
All right, let's deal with mister Bousang's matter. I'm not
sure that it's necessarily Uh well, I guess it's the
nominated twenty four SW zero.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So Steve Buzang is Karen Reid's lawyer. So you can
see me up there in the meeting. There's Aiden Carney,
there's the judge. Just a reminder about this judge, is
(12:26):
that a journalist. So this is the same judge that
they went up in front of before on the Baiale review.
Here a witness intimidation case.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
So that's what I want to invite the court to
look at.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
So your view is that a journalist can bring a
dozen other cars honking horns in front of the neighbor,
in front of a witness's house and calling out to
the neighbors to call on their neighbor to do the
right thing.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Well, it's not.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
Something that plays all in polite society.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I wouldn't do it, You wouldn't do it.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Is that that's what you say, is journalism that's covered
by the journalistic privilege.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
That is to say, it's covered by the First Amendment.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
Covered by the First Amendment, you are absolutely in.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
Article six, even if the other dozen cars or whoever
many cars go out or not.
Speaker 9 (13:18):
I'm sorry, are not journals.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So what they're talking about is the rolling rally where
Aiden Carney led a group of people from witness to
witness's house in this and and screamed killer, murderer on
their lawn held signs. They say, his lawyer here is
saying that it's all protected under the First Amendment, and
(13:42):
this judge's in buying.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
It involves another issue that's that's a difficult issue, but
should really come out on mister Carney's side, where how
much control does he have over his people that follow
him and want to cheer him on.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know, how much to can troll does he have.
He's the one who said meet me at the parking
lot of the the supermarket and we're all going to
go from witness to witness house. And it's believed that
Karen Reid provided these addresses of the witnesses in this case.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Who can control a mob?
Speaker 8 (14:17):
According to the papers, there was a meeting place, yeah,
and no one knew where they were going in advance,
but these are.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And then this defendant. I'm reading between the lines now.
Speaker 8 (14:29):
I don't think that the papers are explicit, but they
suggest that this defendant then directed.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Them to the various locations that they were going to
drive by.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Sure, that's completely so that's completely covered under the under
the first Amendment, guys completely covered anyway. So there's a
little clip of Judge Peter Krupp, that's who they were
(15:00):
up in front of today, Saint Judge, and he looks
like he's going to rule in Karen Read's favor, like
you got to return the phones. Case law covers it.
Take a listen to how quickly it turns zero four.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
But it really is a request for setting a set
of conditions for searching through MS Reid's phone under a
protocol that would assure against the sharing of privileged information.
(15:42):
It seemed to me that the Commonwealth's requests and MS
Reid's response spoke completely past each other and didn't address
the merits of each other's papers, which is why I
felt like I needed hearing. As far as I can tell,
(16:05):
the phone has already been downloaded, searched, searched in certain
in terms of what the Court authorized previously, and it
just hasn't been looked at yet and it has to
be looked at subject to a particular protocol. Do I
have that right in, mister Casgo, I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Know if it has actually been downloaded, your honor.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
If it hasn't been downloaded, that's the set of facts
very different from what I understood to be the case,
because I think I authorized the download and I thought
that there was a representation in the papers that it
had been within the days of the authorization. Let me
just see if I can find it in the papers.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
So here's the judge goings, Let me find the date.
This seems like you've had these phones for a long
long time. Hand, I mean, he looks like he's going
to go hand them back that go oh no, like
hit in the back, and you'll see once Cosgrove starts talking,
(17:07):
you realize that case law is not on their side.
Hate spoiler alert? Am I spoiling this too much? Was
spoiling all the Yeah, you know, if you want to
listen Rosewater, if you want to listen to Natalie's interview,
it's up in full. I notice Aiden Turtleboy Karney is
talking about Natalie again. So Natalie Bernscheid er Uwiki was
(17:31):
the middle woman between Aiden Carney and Karen Reid in
the beginning, before they started talking directly every day. But
so if Karen Reid gave the she didn't organize the
rolling rally, but she gave the let's talk about complicity
(17:51):
for a second. She gave the addresses of the witnesses
to Aiden Karney, knowing what he was going to do implicit.
So if if you say I'm gonna rob a bank,
and I I mean if I if I get you
(18:12):
the I don't know the gun or or a ski
mask or anything to help you do it. I'm an accessory.
Same thing here.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You may have. Well, okay, h.
Speaker 10 (18:45):
M H.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I think I think the representation is that the phones
were seized pursuing to authorization. I I don't think, and
I don't purport to be much of an expert on
the technical side, that the download can take place absent
access to the phone through a password, which would would
(19:13):
have to take place relevant to the search protocol.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
The if the cell phones have not been downloaded pursuing
to a prior order, that raises all of them.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
So this is like also the judge thought that all
the material was downloaded from these phones, and Robert Cosgrove
for this date was like, look, we can't get into them.
Karen Reid won't give us her password. We can't even
start this process, hence the delay. And then the judge said, well,
then this brings up all the issues from the defense
(19:54):
that if you've had these phones forever, you can't keep
them indefinitely according to what the defenses is citing in
their filing, But it turns out that their case law
does not support their position. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Take a listen various things that mister Busang presented in
his opposition, which is the come of having been in
possession of the phone for an extended period of time,
as a finite amount of time in which it can
seek authorization to search or to do the search. Let
me just see for a second. Yeah, so in your
(21:13):
motion the conwal'st motion, it says, on January twenty two,
twenty twenty four, the Comals sought a warrant for mobile
devices capable of communicating in cell phones used by Karen Reid.
After review, Krupp authorized the lawrence. I am paraphrasing next paragraph.
(21:36):
The search was executed on January twenty four, twenty twenty five,
at fourteen forty five hours by Lieutenant John Fanning, who
filed the return of service indicating seizure of two Apple iPhones,
one purple with green case and one white with ClearCase.
(21:57):
Is that seizure only of the phones or is it
the download of the information contained in the phones? Let
me just see. I thought that there was something in
here that said that there was a download, But maybe
(22:20):
I misstipped that.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
If there's something in there that I picked up from
an affidavit or a previous filing, I don't know. But
but my understanding is that the phones were seized.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Phones were seasonal and they haven't been searched. No, they
haven't been.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
They can't be searched accents access to the phones, which
require either to comm them up, proceeding with breaking the
attempting to break the log on information, or the receipt.
Speaker 8 (23:06):
Of the.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Past codes.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Okay, well, so you've been in possession of the phones
since January of twenty twenty four and are only now
requesting leave to download the information and search the phones.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
No, I think we already have leave to download the
information pursuing to the warrant. What we have is the
practical impossibility of downloading the information. What we're seeking is
leave to do the search pursuing to a search protocol.
(23:47):
As I understand that you're on, there are two There
are two aspects to this. One is the physical seizure
of the phone, for which the chase that he has
imposed prompt requirements to get a warrant after the phones
are seized or in this case, there was a search
(24:08):
warrant isssue prior to the seizure of the phones. And
the second aspect is the second search warrant to search
the information. I don't think there's any basis for parceling
out downloading as kind of a middle step here with
(24:31):
a separate requirement.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Well, what do you say to Ms. Reid's argument to
mister Bussang that the there's a certain amount of time
you have to download if you have the phones, and
now more than a year has passed and it's only
now being requested.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Well, there's no question of more than a year has
passed and it's only now being requested. And if mis
Read is right, I think that that would be it's positive.
But I don't think there's any basis in the case
law for concluding that miss Reed is right. The case
(25:16):
law suggests that a warrantless search of cell phones, if
that takes place, the Commonwealth must promptly seek a warrant,
and the burden of justifying any delay is on the Commonwealth,
whether or not the defendant press for the return of
the phone. That rule is designed to protect the defendant
(25:39):
pocessory interest in the phone, and that, as I understand,
it is based, among other things, on Secure versus the
United States for sixty eight US seven ninety six. Now,
this case is not a warrantless seizure. It's a seizure
pursuing to allowfully issued. There are instances of items that
(26:04):
have been seized in evidence that may have been subjected
to test years after the fact, sometimes as a result
of new evidence or developments in a case. But where
a warrant is obtained, the usual and accepted procedure, which
so far I've seen no evidence that the SJAC has changed,
(26:24):
is that the Commonwealth retains the seised items and from
the conclusion of the case, which time the defendant may
move for their return or the Commonwealth may move for
other dispositions. That's generally general Laws, Chapter two seventy six.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay, so does everyone get what's going on? So the
case law that Karen Read's lawyer, Stephen Buzang cited in
his motion to get these cell phones back, so that
you've got to give it back because they have no
right to it. But that case law Sigura versus the
(27:03):
United States, has to do with warrantless searches. Because they
did have a warrant, the state has the right to
hold these phones until the case is over. And that's
Aiden Carney's case. So you know, the I mean, to
(27:26):
be realistic, we don't know if there's stuff on Karen
Reid's phone that's going to be used to bury Aiden
Karney and not Karen Reid. I mean you know, to
get any kind of jury in this area to convict
Karen Reid of anything is going to be near impossibility.
(27:49):
She's really and Aiden Carney too, I mean, they're really
above the law at this point. They're such folk heroes.
And that's one of the things that and this has
fraud campaigns do so well. They make the cops into criminals,
and they you know, and they turn the criminals into
(28:10):
folk heroes. So so you're saying, no, we have the
right to hold these phones to the end of Aten's case.
That's how and that's how it turned like on a
dime in this earring. I mean, it was like such
a switch. I mean in the beginning, you know, you
thought you were, like Camen Reid's going to get them
froms back immediately. They've had him too long, give them back,
(28:31):
don't search thought, Oh, Karen Reid's gonna like, you know,
walk away again. It's like everyone else in this case
has had and even not in this case not it
was just a witness in this case has had their
privacy and their you know, their text messages and their
personal things put on blast to deflect away from Karen Reid.
(28:59):
Oh behavior on criminal behavior but not Karen Reid. She's
gonna she doesn't have to testify, she doesn't have to
give up the passwords. When they went to get these phones,
she was she was taking the phones, you know, to
to Florida. They just watched like her phone being tracked,
(29:23):
like to Florida, Like she did everything to keep her
phones away from the state.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Section three through eight. Now, I've looked at the cases
that mister Buzzang has Uh has cited, and di.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
As relates to a warrantless seizure of the cell phones
and a delay in seeking a warrant to search. Yeah, okay,
and here we have a warrant that authorized the initial
search of the of the cell phones. Let me ask
mister Bouzang why that isn't just positive. Is there a
case that talks about a circumstance where there is a
(30:03):
warrant that is issued to authorize the seizure of the
cell phones, which is then where the ultimate search the
contents of the cell phones is delayed and therefore somehow
prejudicial to the defendant and is suppressed.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I think judge in this case, here the phones received
January of twenty second, twenty.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Four, right, pursuing to vote my warrant gr on exactly judgment.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So kitties, thank you kitties, says ROBERTA. Your logo was
looming nice and large. Thanks so much. Just a couple over,
is that for everyone? Like, so, whoever comes in to
the Zoom hearing, do they get like if I go
(30:59):
to a different channel, is that channel going to be
like two down from Turtle Boy? Or am I on
every channel? Like That's what I'd like to know. Let
me know if you know if you watched us on
a different channel. I don't know how Zoom works that way.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
And nothing's been done.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
The only reason something I understand. But do you have
a case that says that when that's the circumstance and
the year plus passes, they can't come back to the
court to seek authorization to go into the phones when
the court has originally authorized the seizure of the phones
in the first place. Well, I think DIA's judge, Well,
(31:39):
Diaz didn't involve a Warren apparently for the seizure of
the phone. It was a warrantless seizure of the phone.
No judge had viewed the contents of that phone is
potentially ruled that the contents of that phone were potentially
evidence in a case right that there was probable cause
or a basis tissue of the warren. So the question
(32:02):
is whether you have a case that results. Here results
that arises in the context of a warrant authorizing the
initial seizure of the phones, and then there's a delay
in looking at the content of the phones or any
other piece of evidence. You know, warrant authorizes the seizure
of the hiking boots, and there's a year and a
half delay on doing DNA testing to see if the blood,
(32:25):
if the boots trudge through mud or blood or whatever
the relevant substances.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Should judge well, I feel that the reasonable is in
delays in obtaining a search warrant. Under the fourth Amendment
Nautical fourteenth of the Search and Seizure Law requires law
enforcement to act diligently to obtain a search warrant without.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Unreasonable delay, and here they did by seeking a search
warrant for the seizure of the phones. The question is
whether there's an independent Any case says that there's an
independent obligation to seek further warrnce authorizing looking at other
aspects of the phone besides seizing the physical phone itself
(33:09):
in a timely way.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Well, I think timing is relevant, Judge. They could have
done it. They could have done it with the special
console mellow. He chose not to. He went into the
grand jury, which they returned to no bill. And you're
on or This court knows better than anybody the level
that requires and indictments get issued. Here they returned to
no bill. Judge, I we it's less than any evidence
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that miss Reid conspired with mister Kearny toliminate or participate
in any intimidation of any witness in this case. But
I think it is relevant in terms of now they
want to come back and look at her two phones,
and they have all that evidence from mister Ny they have.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Now I understand those arguments, but I'm still trying to
find a case if you have one that comes up
in the context of a warrant authorizing the initial seizure
of the device, and then it's.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Like you got to have case law says. There's like, well, look,
you know this happened two years ago. They already have
everything they need. I mean, they really doth protest too much,
as I said yesterday, like there's nothing criminal on here.
They have every all the messages from Karen to Aiden
on his phones and back. But I think there's I
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think just this is the second time she's asked, I
mean to get these phones back. So she asked first
time round with her murder vehicle, and the murder vehicle
was returned, but not the phones. So she wants these
phones back desperately, without them being searched, without giving up
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the password to them, because I think, my opinion is
that there's something pretty damning on here.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
So there's a delay in searching that device or searching
that physical piece of evidence.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Give me one moment, Judge. Sure.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
So now they're looking for case law. Can we can
we bring much find some law.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
It's not the top of my head, Judge, but I
think just going back to the reasonless under the fourth Amendment,
I think too again, this would have I don't think
would have came up if we just let it stay
and didn't ask for the two phones. It was only
after I asked for the two phones that now this
is somehow an ongoing investigation, when they've had the investigation,
The investigation was done and there is nothing to it.
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If they had and I think with this evidence, Judge
that they have, they can go back to ten grand jury.
They're going to get ten no bills. But I think
in terms of reasonableness and timeliness, Judge, I think, you
know it's almost two years.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Okay, I'll take it under advisement.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'll take it under advisement. That's the meaning. I think.
That's a that's a big N. It's a big N.
It's a big N. It's just a switch. I mean,
you know sometimes you know, you go to these hearings
and you think, like just because a judge is well,
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press a lawyer and get them to argue, argue their
side as vigorously as possible. They'll ask some really tough questions,
so you don't know exactly which way. But this the
judge came in like, okay, let's get those phones back,
like you don't really have a From what I've read,
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apparently it was a good fight, like commits. The judge
before Cosgar was like, no, oh no, that has to
do with you think the judge would be familiar with that,
but no, it figured it was like, no, that's warrantless searches.
We had a warrant in this case. So yet yet
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yet so spoiler alert. I mean, do you want to
go on with this? I mean there's maybe five more minutes,
so it goes on. They have to go through her
phones with a taint team. It's not long hearing.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
We can have a next date of December fifty. Oh
you know what.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I'm sorry, Margaret. I didn't get to the issue of
if the warrant issues for the search of the phone.
Do you have any contests with the protocol that was
set out by the come Well.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
I do, Judge John. I don't think the Commonwealth. You know,
in the preventive medicine case, the defense has some saying,
you know, who would be a part of the taint team.
So I don't take the representation from the government that
they should just set it up.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
I don't have any opposition from you or any substantive
response to you for the Photo office.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Can we put Melanie Little the glarer on the Tate
team than we can we just fill the Tate team
with free Karen readers. Can we put Barry Shack from
the Innocence Project on the day team? We want some
input now on who's actually going through the phone or
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can we find someone who's totally incompetent to be on
the day team. They won't find anything. Do you remember
when they downloaded Karen read the data from Karen Reid's
car the first time, and it was the defense expert
doing it, and they somehow missed a whole bunch of
data first time around. We had to wait for that
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for the second drive. Can we find someone like that.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
With regard to the protocol that's proposed by the Commonwealth,
That was part of the frustration that I had with
the papers as they came to me brought over. Yeah,
so there's an elaborate protocol laid out here in the
commonwealths papers, and I need specific details as to what
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you're proposing. If I'm going to authorize the Commonwealth to
search through the two phones, I take it you can
make a backup of the phones and do the search
off the backup, and you can promptly return the phones to.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Listen, your honor. We we suggest that the prosecution that
the state used these phone experts. They they're also on YouTube.
They have a show, the JFK Show. I think that
they would be awesome experts to go through the phone. Actually,
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you know what Aid and Carney himself is an expert.
Love him go through Karen Read's phone. Oh yeah, agreed.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I assume that's the case, your honor. I will check.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Okay, But before we get to that, judge, could I
just have a couple of weeks to provide some opposition
to that.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
It'll be opposition to what.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
To the eighteen part of the government's motion.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
No, you can talk to mister Cosgrove. The two of
you folks can talk and come together, come to an
agreement as to a protocol, and if there are any
disputed paragraphs or sentences in that protocol, you'll show them
to me in a document indicating that there's a disagreement
as to this or that and the reason not a
(40:58):
long brief okay, philab.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Okay, this is an innocence fraudline here from w k
RP Non Cincinnati, but podcasting networks as people must realize
that this is bigger than Karen Reid. If we allow this,
then they can do it to you also. Okay. So
this is like an innocence fraud narrative, Like you might
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never do a crime, but that doesn't mean you won't
be falsely accused of doing a crime. Chances are. You know,
you're much more likely to be a victim of a
crime or be a family member of a victim of
a crime than being ever falsely accused. And I'm not
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saying wasn't falsely accused and she was treated pretty well
and she got rich off of grifting off of her crime.
There's nothing wrong with them keeping her phones. They had
a warrant for it. If you're involved with witness harassment,
they might seize your phone. There's this is zero that
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I'm worried about when it comes to the way that
this is done. What should I be worried about? W Karp.
I'm not involved in harassing witnesses in my murder trial,
which I was rightfully accused. And there is no fifty
plus person conspiracy conspiring against Karen Reid. Why did they
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want to conspire against Karen Reid? No one knew of
Karen Reid until she clipped John O'Keeffe and reversed him
into him with her foot seventy five percent on the
gas pedal, going up to speeds of twenty four miles
an hour in reverse, and then confess to it multiple
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times to first responders that I hit a maeada madam
next morning, never called nine one one, No, I think
you're much more likely to be treated like the O'Keefe family.
Then Karen read, that's the kind of treatment that we
should worry about. Murderers grifting off of their crime, people
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getting rich off of spinning a fantasy narrative that villainizes
the police in the state in favor of getting a
killer off, which was successful.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
We're briefing, but if I'm going to allow this, there's
going to be a tank team protocol put in place,
and I assume you're going to agree to ninety five
percent of what the com Wealth is proposing, and you
may quibble around the edges. I've issued these before. Okay,
it's not all that complicated.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
So I'll give you.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
I'll give you ten days to do that. If that
gives you folks enough time to confer with the idea
that you'll each agreement on most of it, very good
to Any problem with that is that enough time? Okay,
you're talking, all right?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Okay, So they have ten days to get a taint
team together and agree on the They have ten days
to get the parameters of the Tate team together between
the defense and the State and agree on and if
they can't agree on certain things, they'll put them before
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the judge. But right as they're about to, so we
think we're like, okay, we're about to, you know, wrap
it up with this hearing. That's decided, Karen Reid, you're
not getting your phones back. Let's look at the poll
going on. I put up a pole. So it's kind
of an interesting I'd like to see this because it
(44:50):
lets me know who's watching. Kind of Actually a lot
of Karen Reid supporters checking in lately. Uh So we
have about twenty through four percent, So twenty four twenty
five percent of my audience right now says Karen Reid
should get her phone back immediately. So those I would say,
those are Karen Reid supporters. And about seventy six percent
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said no, So I mean you can kind of I
would think that this would there seventy seven percent. Now
it's a little so I think this would go along
the lines of who supports Karen Reid and who doesn't.
I mean, there's no why shouldn't she not get Karen
Reid can buy as many phones as she wants. There's
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and I mean, if you're saying that we should worry
that they're going to rummage all through her personal items
on her phone. Don't commit a crime if you keep
your prophecy. It's much more concerning that people who did
nothing but their job or just happen to be brought
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in by Karen Reid to mix it all up that morning. Otherwise,
you know, there's no need for her to call Jen McCabe.
I have some free Karen or Carrie Roberts. But she
needed other personalities to deflect attention away from her and
to make the nine one one call, and and Karen
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Reid recorded their nine one one call to all make
it look like there was something so and other other
than Karen Reid responsible for this crime. Otherwise, she had
just done the right thing and gotten help for John
O'Keeffe instead of help for herself. And Karen Reid supporters
have said, oh no, she had to call Jen McCabe
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that morning. She knew where John o'keef was. Okay, everybody,
She led them to his body into her handiwork and said,
oh she you know this is Karen Reid supporters. She
didn't know where he was. They were the last people
with no last people with the last text message she
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got it's from Brian Higgins that night, and the first
person she called was Michael Camerano, who left the bar
early because his son lost his tooth playing hockey. But
why is she calling Michael Camerano first, Katherine Camerano, make
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that make sense. Why didn't she call Brian Higgins. So
her first choices were the Cameranos. My feeling is because
they're whimps. They're self protective whimps. I mean, we saw
the way that they testified. Catherine Camerano, I'm sure remembers
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everything that or the majority. Let's put it this way,
it's burned in her brain what Karen Reid told her
that morning, and when asked, she said, oh, she was
just a lot of crazy yelling to some nonsense. She
knows that Karen Reid made, She made him a self
incriminating admissions to everyone else that morning except Catherine Camerano.
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We're supposed to believe that. And Michael Camerano. What a
great friend he was to John o'keef. They hung out
every Friday night together. But after he's murdered, it takes
him to the second trial to bring up the fact
that John O'Keefe was angry at Karen Reid that night
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because Karen Reid couldn't come out to the bar because
she had to meet her plumber, Richie, to fix her
hot water issue. And apparently Richie showed her a pipe
apart of her hot water issue that was I assume
it was a part, a pipe something part that was
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all rusted. And he puts the toilet seats on crooked
and he was going to home depot and he would
be back the next day. You've never seen if Karen
Reid actually made those text messages to Richie the plumber.
We don't even know if Ritchie the Plumber exists. I
put out an SOS. I'll put it out again if
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anyone knows that Richie the Mansfield plumber, get in touch
with me ROBERTA. Glass twenty three at Gmail. But it
took Michael Camerono to this second trial to bring all
that up. And he did, like in the most mouseous,
mouse like, mouse ish mouse like style. He very yeah, well,
(49:38):
he was, oh so things were going great with Karen
Reid and John o'keith that well, he was a little
upset because he would have fixed Karen Reid's hot water
issues himself. There was no need for her to delay
coming out that night and calling a plumber. This is
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the last thing they argued about that night. We know
this is the thing that made him angry, and it's
the part of the story that has been totally ghosted
Karen Reid's fabricated narrative around this plumber. No one wants
to talk about the plumber. Aiden Carney didn't want to
talk about the plumber. Does everyone get why it's important
(50:23):
to the story. It's the last thing they were talking
about via tex that night, and it's the thing that
Karen Reid in all her interviews, in all their documentary,
all her time in front of a camera, she never
talks about is her hot water plumbing issues. She's totally
(50:45):
ghosted from the story why. I think the reason why
is because she made it up. I may be wrong.
Show me the text messages back from Richie bring Richie
in why was a witness? Were the defense? And if
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she did make it up, it certainly paints a picture
that's consistent with the picture that was painted from the
other text messages of Karen Reid, that Karen Reid would lie,
fabric lie to have control over power and control over
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John O'Keeffe, to make him angry, to keep him involved.
We're talking about you know, this isn't the first DV
relationship that ended with one person taking the other person's life.
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I eat Karen Reid taking John O'Keeffe's life in a brutal, horrendous,
horrific way. So this is a person that you've been
with for two years that you trust the most, that
you know with your I mean in the most, when
your backs turned to them clips you with their suv.
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They have to take microscopic pieces of your taillight out
of your shirt after you're dead. There was no time.
The timeline does not support any planning. There is no
opportunity to plan, any evidence, and no motive. But that
doesn't stop them from going on and on and on
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about it. So the way that this will ended, let
me just get to the end of this. Hey, Wesley,
hold on a second. I'll get to you a hot minute.
Hold on. So right at the end, Adan Carney's lawyer
is trying to get Robert Cosgrove off of the prosecutor
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off of the case, and he's like, not just intervene
at the end here and argue that Robert Cosgrove should
be thrown off at en Carti's case.
Speaker 6 (53:07):
All right, I think there will be very few things
for me to resolve, so I'll give you ten days.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
That'll be uh.
Speaker 6 (53:14):
Whatever, we were already October eighth. How about if you
get it to me by the twenty first October twenty first, Utcha,
and I'll take it in word form so that I
can make whatever edits I feel like I needed to
make to your version. Taking one side to the other's version,
I'm likely to be more like a baseball referee is
take the version that I think without you know, fiddling
too much with the language. So both sides really need
to be reasonable. I'm just okay, ten twenty one.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
We'll wait your responded to you until October twenty first,
and the matter's next on first.
Speaker 6 (53:42):
Yeah, you can for hearing emotions to thank you.
Speaker 10 (53:44):
For see you.
Speaker 6 (53:47):
Then you're on our man.
Speaker 9 (53:48):
You heard on the disqualification issue.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, so he wants to disqualify Robert Cosgrove as a prosecutor.
Speaker 6 (54:00):
Mister Bradle, in what docket did you file a motion
for disqualification?
Speaker 2 (54:07):
So that's Bradal who's aiding. Carney's lawyer pipes up at
the very end of here.
Speaker 9 (54:12):
I believe that was filed in all three dockets.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
This one is.
Speaker 9 (54:17):
Styled as an inn ray search warrant docket. It's twenty
the ratio second.
Speaker 6 (54:24):
When was the motion for disqualification Floud.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
I believe.
Speaker 6 (54:30):
Last week October ten six. I'm not going to hear
you on that until I get a response.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
Sure, I understand your right.
Speaker 6 (54:38):
It's just a little bit cart before the horse.
Speaker 9 (54:39):
I think because council is forging ahead under a conflict,
and you know, I don't think Council for the Kamal.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Should be.
Speaker 9 (54:48):
Permitted to keep forging ahead on this thing until the
conflict issue is resolved. So I would ask that you
stay any any action on the part of the Komal.
Speaker 6 (54:57):
I will not. I will not. I'll take I'll put
you on for emotion a hearing on a motion for disqualification.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
So there's Bradle saying like, you can't go forward with
anything to do with these phones again, delay, just hoping
they get that these phones back. It must be bad
for Aiden Carney and Karen Reid to you throw Robert
Cosgrove off of it, and maybe we can get another
prosecutor that's not quite as sharp. He doesn't see the
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significance and how these two worked with each other criminally
to harass witnesses. Let's get someone who's really we get
is Judge Canoni. Can she work as a prosecutor in
this case? Can we get her on as a special prosecutor?
Wesley loves October has more cat door money. Thank you
(55:50):
very much, Wesley, nice to see you. Thanks for ever
supporting the channel. Next time I'll make it. I'll try
to make this zoom hearing more visually interesting. Try to
blow up the at least Aiden Carney and the judge
so we don't have to look at this big phone thing.
(56:11):
I'm just happy I got it. I got into the
same hearing, got it recorded. That's what I'm happy about.
Speaker 6 (56:19):
But I'm not going to do it on the fly
or without everybody having adequate opportunity.
Speaker 5 (56:25):
To be heard.
Speaker 6 (56:25):
Sure understanding. When would you like to schedule a hearing
on that motion to that market you have? We could
do December fifth, but let me do you have the
motion for disqualification?
Speaker 4 (56:38):
I have an affidavit, there's a sorry judge, there's an
impounded and a redacted one redacted for the public docket,
and there should be an unimpounded one or unredacted one rather, that's.
Speaker 9 (56:49):
For the court, and I believe they were filed in
all three for those dockets. So the twenty four and
the sorry, the twenty three case.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
For mister Karney, this in race Arch one case and.
Speaker 9 (57:03):
If not, I'll just make sure mound portasm.
Speaker 6 (57:04):
In this case. But down there they didn't sure the fild. Okay,
what's the status of the twenty twenty five case, the
twenty five Cr.
Speaker 9 (57:19):
Eighty eight, that's had a little bit of a back burner, Judge,
I think there's a there's a pre trial.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
So spoiler alert, they get a December fifth hearing on
throwing out at two pm, throwing out Robert Cosgrove. That's
the end of the hearing, but pretty fast. I thought
it was a pretty interesting hearing. Surprising, surprising for Massachusetts
(57:48):
in this case. What else do we have? I went
over the depetro stuff, so that's going on. I mean,
it's just been just the way they optight, you know,
he says he's gonna I mean, I guess I'll go
(58:09):
over the actual the emails that Turtle this is has
listed John de Pietro. But the thing is John di
Petro never owned that domain name. A quick who's its
search and way back Machine search shows a man in
Italy has owned that domain as early as two thousand
(58:30):
and one. There are a few times the registration has lapsed,
only for that Italy guy to reclaim ownership. It's bounced
around the last couple of years, and was even listed
for sale in twenty twenty four. It was registered again
in June twenty twenty five. That same month, Turtle purchased
(58:52):
the site Johndpetroshow dot com and redirected it to his
own donation site. If you look up to Petro's actual
website info, it shows to Petro's name, address, and phone
number under the registration. The fake John di Petro and
John di Petro's Show are both registered privately with no
(59:13):
contact info for the owner. Turtle could take a few
minutes to look this up. Took me maybe twenty minutes
to find this online. So let me see if I
can find the actual I think I have the actual
letter that or email. I mean, it sounds like it
really sounds if you listen to it. I didn't find
(59:37):
it believeable to me. It sounded like a Turtle writer
just the language of it. Hold on one second, Okay,
(01:00:01):
here we go, So let me just show you what
he claims John di Petro. I mean, it's just all
this sort of So this is the email that Aiden
Carney says that John di Petro wrote to Hank Brennan's agent.
(01:00:27):
I mean, I don't know why Hank Brennan would have
an agent. I mean, he hasn't put himself out in
the media at all. Maybe you were saying that Hank
Brennan's agent is only dealing with John di Petro. I mean,
it doesn't really even make any sense. Dear mister Brennan,
I am reaching out again to respectfully request that you
(01:00:48):
consider taking over the prosecution of Aiden Karney. Source. I mean,
I've never been heard of the idea of Hank Brennan
taking over the prosecution of Aiden Karney. Sources have told
me and others that most, if not all, the charges
against mister Carney may soon be dismissed. I haven't heard
(01:01:09):
that the development is deeply concerning to the McCabe and
O'Keefe families, who feel very overlooked, so that mccabs come
first over the O'Keefe family. Maybe, I mean, this is
their obsession, the Mcalberts, the mcal you know, and then
(01:01:29):
the O'Keefe family. So this is their the I mean,
this is the been their target, the mccaves, then the Alberts,
and then the o'keefs come last. The Alberts get ghosted
in this Strangely, the mccaves and the O'Keefe family, who
feel very overlooked, very overlooked by District Attorney Michael morrissey's office.
(01:01:53):
There's another one of their obsessions, Michael Morrissey. Mister Carney's actions,
including the all a legal recording of Karen Reid which
has now come to light, have caused significant distress. Despite
outreach from some of Ms Reid's adversaries encouraging her to
press charges, she has chosen not to pursue this course.
(01:02:16):
So they're talking about the wiretap of Karen Reid. Mister.
If mister Carney avoids accountability, many including myself, will lose
faith in the Commonwealth justice system. It sounds like aiden
wrote this, we believe your leadership in this case could
ensure that the charges and pursued, effectively preventing their dismissal.
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Mister Carney's actions have caused considerable harm, and we feel
strongly that he should face appro appropriate consequences, which we
believe would be life imprisonment, life imprisonment. I've never heard
anyone on this side say, Aiden, should you life imprisonment
(01:03:02):
for witness harassment? But okay, thank you for considering this request.
We tried doing life imprisonment for witness harassment in Massachusetts.
A little thank you for considering this request. I am
confident that with your experience expertise, justice can be served. Yeah,
(01:03:24):
to me, it sounded like Aiden Carney just nonsense. You know,
get a new enemy, rile up the base behind him,
and put someone who's you know, think you know John
(01:03:45):
Depetro like interviewed a whole fake juror they catfished him
with a fake juror he's always been an enemy of
you know, of free care and read put him up
like his red meat for the free Cairen readers and
a way you know, away from himself. So that's how
(01:04:07):
they spin the narrative. It's nonsense, Yeah, just some nonsense.
And the way that he reads it is so interesting.
You know, he did a live on it that I
listened to last night. He talked a lot about you know,
I put up an old you know, the interview is
not new. I've had it for I played it before
(01:04:29):
my channel of Natalie Bernsteiner were Wiki, but I don't
think a lot of the Freekiren readers had heard it.
I was shocked. I just put it up as a
favor to one of my listeners who said, you know,
we were going over it just recently because of the
Grand jurissues, et cetera. Someone said, could you put it up?
(01:04:49):
So I just put it up as a you know,
just for people who just wanted to listen to the
and it's done well for my little channel, for my
little channel. So I was surprised to hear Adan Carney
talk about Natalie bernstein Er Wuwiki, who I guess he
(01:05:10):
had for the most part and made her an enemy,
calling her Natalie the German, but had mostly ghosted her
out of the narrative of his involvement in Karen Reid's
defense and as Karen Reid's propaganda's innocent fraudst her. So
(01:05:30):
it was I thought it was curious that he was
talking about her last night, just out of the blue.
But you know, he goes through the email and he's
kind of saying is this fake? You know the way
he does he sort of plays with it like is
this fake? My sources didn't say it was fake. I
didn't check out my sources. You know. He's a highly manipulative,
(01:05:59):
dangerous kopath. Maiden Carney. Yeah, it's really concerning to watch
him go through it and just kind of be like, well,
is this fake. You're saying it's fake? To Petro says
it's fake, but why are you lying? You know the
same thing, the same kind of stuff he did around
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the tape, show the receipts, Why are you lying?
Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Around is he knew he recorded Karen Reid, he knew
he played the tape for at least his girl, his
ex girlfriend, Meredith O'Neill. And Meredith O'Neill has made a statement.
I mean, just we'll go through all the free Karen
Reid drama today for some of it, she's made a statement.
(01:06:47):
And this is what I find interesting or compelling about
Meredith O'Neill's statement. So here's her statement. Thank you. I
don't want an apology. I just want the attacks to stop. Well,
Jennifer McCabe would have liked the attacks to stop. The
o'kee family, who had been through one trauma after the other.
(01:07:16):
We're all vulnerable, would have liked the attacks to stop.
So it's so easy when it's not you, right on everyone.
It's a one sided feud. And for those asking why
I didn't address this before, I don't respond to any
of her posts about me. As tempting as it is
(01:07:38):
to want to defend myself, it just makes her grow
harder at me and others I care about. I don't
want to clear up the lies because I'd be at
it all day. I didn't respond when my family was posted,
so she was being accused of taping Karen Reid and
Aiden Carney on her watch. I didn't respond when my
family was posted incessantly last week, and I didn't want
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to get out of bed because it was so hurtful
family members who have nothing to do with any of this.
By the way, I don't well. I don't interact with
her at all. I've never gone after her, never shared
her texts from our year long friendship, never wished her
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ill will someone else asked me directly Yesterday's where it
was a good opportunity to respond, and maybe she'll stop
bringing it up. I doubt the other two people being
mentioned daily want that to continue either. Okay, so it's
so easy. It's so easy when it's not, you too write.
(01:08:47):
So I think I'm going to leave it there for today.
I think I've gone through everything that I want to
talk about. So you know, this is I mean, it's
a eye opener into how these innocence fraud narratives work.
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And I don't believe Aidan Carney when he says he's
dropping the sword and he won't talk about Karen Reid anymore.
It's too profitable to him. His whole audience is there
to listen to him talk about Karen Reid. I don't
believe him. He may pause on it for a minute.
I doubt that even But this is where his where
(01:09:31):
he makes his money off of creating fabricated narratives around
this case. And he's convinced a good portion of the country,
if not the world, that his fantasy narratives are true
in this case. So that is what I have to
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It was snowing. I pushed the pain on down, hit
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a campaign to save my skin.
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Making money.
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Truth is my second victim.
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Okay, just to be clear, you didn't do it.
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We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up. You all know if
John was beaten up and attacked in that house. Who
did it? We don't know. We don't know. We don't know,
and it's not for us to know. Somebody other than Karen.
Somebody other than Karen is responsible for that, for the
killing of John. You are listening to the ROBERTA. Glass
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think we've done a roll call, roll call everybody here,
So interesting day to day, Karen Reid had a hearing.
Thanks to everybody you showed up for that done really
(02:27):
on the fly. It's up in the live section. Hopefully
I can edit it down. There's a lot of very
interesting stuff going on in Karen Reid world. Aiden Carney
is in hot water. So to go back, Aiden Carney deny.
(02:53):
So it came out that Aiden Carney via leaked text
messages by guys from named Nick Miller from Philadelphia. He
goes by Joe the flipperhead on X put out text
messages between himself and Karen Reid. Karen Reid saying I've
had it with turtle Boy. He taped my phone call
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and he was sharing it with Free Karen Reid supporters.
And that recorded phone call ended up either Aidan Karney
sent it to Karen Reid's lawyers or the Free Karen
readers sent it to Karen Reid's lawyers, but it ended
(03:38):
up at David and Nannetti's email box in Alan Jackson's
email box, ticked off Karen Reid. Karen. Then Aiden Karney denied.
He said, show me the receipts. You can listen to
the whole show down on spaces on X between Aiden
(04:03):
Karney and Chris the Koala John on Space on Spaces
and Joe Flipperhead all got into it. Aiden Karney denied,
said that they're all lying, that he never taped Karen
Reid's phone calls, that no recording exists, and then all
(04:24):
these clips of Aiden Karney and Karen Reid phone recording
got leaked, so that made Aiden Karney person non grata
in Free Karen Reid or with a lot of Freekiren
(04:45):
readers are still loyal to Aiden Karney. A lot of
them have turned on Aiden Karney, so it's a house divided.
They started blaming it on Meredith O'Neil. Aiden Karney's Now
Aiden Carney has picked up a new charge a new
Jersey for cyber harassment. It should revoke his bail, but
(05:09):
we haven't heard any signs of that happening in Massachusetts,
even though it's a new Jersey. Any new kind of
charges like that would get his bail revoked. But he
was in court today and it didn't seem to spoiler alert.
It didn't seem to make any difference or the judge
was not alerted to these charges, so they're not looking
to revoke his bail, but a very interesting So he
(05:38):
has desperately been trying to change the narrative as he
always is. He's been as he did with the Karen
Reid story. Look elsewhere, I mean he learned this from
Karen Reid or Karen Reid's defense was very much like this,
look somewhere else, don't look at my own behavior here.
(06:01):
And in doing so, he said he has these emails
of John de Pietro trying to get Hank Brennan on
his show, and John di Petro says that these emails
are completely fake. We'll get into that maybe a little
(06:21):
later if we have time, and that he went to
the police with it, so that is aid and Aidan
Carney says that he's dropping Karen Reid. He's putting down
his sword. Strangely, I mean, doesn't any of the Free
Karen readers find it odd that Karen Reid, if she
was really falsely accused or falsely prosecuted for this crime,
(06:44):
that she's not looking for the real killers. At first
she knew who did it. Now she doesn't know who
did it. It's not up to her to solve this crime,
but has no interest is rather be selling her story
to Hollywood doesn't care who killed her boyfriend of two years.
(07:06):
And I mean, wouldn't that be the ultimate exoneration to
to get a conviction. I mean they know, I mean,
this is such an innocence fraw tactic that none of
these killers ever go after finding the real killer. It's
a little like OJ's one eight hundred number that he
set up for to find the real killers. I'll never
(07:28):
forget what Howard Stern called that. Dub Bird was like,
I know who did it? Give me the reward? You
did it? Ohjay, you did it. Karen Reid, you did it. However,
it's just like again, a distraction technique. So creating false narratives,
creating a distraction, that is the name of the game
when it comes to innocence fraud or part of the game,
(07:51):
let's put it that way. But today in court it
looked like Karen Reid was going to get her phone
backs immediately, like immediately these phones were taken to investigate
Karen Reid's part in Adien Carney's witness harassment charges. So
(08:11):
this was a zoom hearing on Aiden's case, of which
Karen Reid's lawyers came in and said, give us back
our phones, you've had them too long. And the stag's
position is like, look, we can't get into them. Karen
Reid hasn't given us her passwords, we can't get into them.
And there's a process. We need a Tait team, we
(08:31):
need to make sure that we don't go into any
kind of privileged material. We heard her lawyers and we
know that Karen Reid is very worried about what's on
these phones. So when the grand jur in one of
the issues that Karen Reid brought up, if you were
at my live yesterday where we went through the whole
(08:55):
Karen Reid's lawyer her filing on these phone issues was like,
there's nothing on here, nothing to see. Already the grand
jury couldn't even indict her. But first of all, we
know that there was a free Karen Reader on the
grand jury, Jessica Leslie, who's already been convicted and sentenced
(09:20):
for leaking information in Karen Reid's case, either to Karen
Read directly or to Turtle Boy directly or via a
friend in the details of that have all been kept
really secret. She's been really protected, and Aiden Carney's been
(09:43):
really protected, and Karen Reid's really been protected in that
whole grand jury scandal, but we can't. So they're like,
there's nothing to see on these phones. Grand jury's already
failed to go forward with charges. But we know that
grand jury didn't see anything that was on these two
phones that they grabbed. They only saw Aiden Carney's text
(10:07):
messages too, and from Karen Reid. But we would have
to think that there's a lot more on there or
else Karen Reid would not have said the clip of
the phone calls that was released between her and Aiden Karney,
do you know what they have? Do you know what
was on my phone that they took? Like it's scary.
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Aiden Karney says she's very worried about any kind of
indictment for witness harassment or any kind of federal investigation
anything having to do with what's on those phones. She
is nervous, so she wanted these phones back quick as possible.
It looked like the judge was going to rule right
away in her favor and took a quick u turn.
(10:50):
Very interesting hearing, surprisingly fascinating hearing, compelling hearing today. Let's
take a look at it together. Sorry, it's not visually
very interesting to zoom hearing. But let's take a let's
(11:11):
take a listen.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Seven and nine. I'm versus Aiden Carney twenty three CR
three one three, twenty four c R four three, twenty
five CR eight eight. If mister Kearney joins us via zoom,
if the parties could please identify themselves for the record,
(11:33):
Good afternoon, your run around, Robert cosgro for the comic, okay,
mister cosgo, Oh you are.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
A Timothy Bradle for mister Karney.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Good to be with you, Okay, good after an attorney
see Buzang on behalf of miss read.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
All right, let's deal with mister Bousang's matter. I'm not
sure that it's necessarily Uh well, I guess it's the
nominated twenty four SW zero.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So Steve Buzang is Karen Reid's lawyer. So you can
see me up there in the meeting. There's Aiden Carney,
there's the judge. Just a reminder about this judge, is
(12:26):
that a journalist. So this is the same judge that
they went up in front of before on the Baiale review.
Here a witness intimidation case.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
So that's what I want to invite the court to
look at.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
So your view is that a journalist can bring a
dozen other cars honking horns in front of the neighbor,
in front of a witness's house and calling out to
the neighbors to call on their neighbor to do the
right thing.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Well, it's not.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
Something that plays all in polite society.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I wouldn't do it, You wouldn't do it.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Is that that's what you say, is journalism that's covered
by the journalistic privilege.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
That is to say, it's covered by the First Amendment.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
Covered by the First Amendment, you are absolutely in.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
Article six, even if the other dozen cars or whoever
many cars go out or not.
Speaker 9 (13:18):
I'm sorry, are not journals.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So what they're talking about is the rolling rally where
Aiden Carney led a group of people from witness to
witness's house in this and and screamed killer, murderer on
their lawn held signs. They say, his lawyer here is
saying that it's all protected under the First Amendment, and
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this judge's in buying.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
It involves another issue that's that's a difficult issue, but
should really come out on mister Carney's side, where how
much control does he have over his people that follow
him and want to cheer him on.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know, how much to can troll does he have.
He's the one who said meet me at the parking
lot of the the supermarket and we're all going to
go from witness to witness house. And it's believed that
Karen Reid provided these addresses of the witnesses in this case.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Who can control a mob?
Speaker 8 (14:17):
According to the papers, there was a meeting place, yeah,
and no one knew where they were going in advance,
but these are.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And then this defendant. I'm reading between the lines now.
Speaker 8 (14:29):
I don't think that the papers are explicit, but they
suggest that this defendant then directed.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Them to the various locations that they were going to
drive by.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Sure, that's completely so that's completely covered under the under
the first Amendment, guys completely covered anyway. So there's a
little clip of Judge Peter Krupp, that's who they were
(15:00):
up in front of today, Saint Judge, and he looks
like he's going to rule in Karen Read's favor, like
you got to return the phones. Case law covers it.
Take a listen to how quickly it turns zero four.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
But it really is a request for setting a set
of conditions for searching through MS Reid's phone under a
protocol that would assure against the sharing of privileged information.
(15:42):
It seemed to me that the Commonwealth's requests and MS
Reid's response spoke completely past each other and didn't address
the merits of each other's papers, which is why I
felt like I needed hearing. As far as I can tell,
(16:05):
the phone has already been downloaded, searched, searched in certain
in terms of what the Court authorized previously, and it
just hasn't been looked at yet and it has to
be looked at subject to a particular protocol. Do I
have that right in, mister Casgo, I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Know if it has actually been downloaded, your honor.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
If it hasn't been downloaded, that's the set of facts
very different from what I understood to be the case,
because I think I authorized the download and I thought
that there was a representation in the papers that it
had been within the days of the authorization. Let me
just see if I can find it in the papers.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
So here's the judge goings, Let me find the date.
This seems like you've had these phones for a long
long time. Hand, I mean, he looks like he's going
to go hand them back that go oh no, like
hit in the back, and you'll see once Cosgrove starts talking,
(17:07):
you realize that case law is not on their side.
Hate spoiler alert? Am I spoiling this too much? Was
spoiling all the Yeah, you know, if you want to
listen Rosewater, if you want to listen to Natalie's interview,
it's up in full. I notice Aiden Turtleboy Karney is
talking about Natalie again. So Natalie Bernscheid er Uwiki was
(17:31):
the middle woman between Aiden Carney and Karen Reid in
the beginning, before they started talking directly every day. But
so if Karen Reid gave the she didn't organize the
rolling rally, but she gave the let's talk about complicity
(17:51):
for a second. She gave the addresses of the witnesses
to Aiden Karney, knowing what he was going to do implicit.
So if if you say I'm gonna rob a bank,
and I I mean if I if I get you
(18:12):
the I don't know the gun or or a ski
mask or anything to help you do it. I'm an accessory.
Same thing here.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You may have. Well, okay, h.
Speaker 10 (18:45):
M H.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I think I think the representation is that the phones
were seized pursuing to authorization. I I don't think, and
I don't purport to be much of an expert on
the technical side, that the download can take place absent
access to the phone through a password, which would would
(19:13):
have to take place relevant to the search protocol.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
The if the cell phones have not been downloaded pursuing
to a prior order, that raises all of them.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
So this is like also the judge thought that all
the material was downloaded from these phones, and Robert Cosgrove
for this date was like, look, we can't get into them.
Karen Reid won't give us her password. We can't even
start this process, hence the delay. And then the judge said, well,
then this brings up all the issues from the defense
(19:54):
that if you've had these phones forever, you can't keep
them indefinitely according to what the defenses is citing in
their filing, But it turns out that their case law
does not support their position. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Take a listen various things that mister Busang presented in
his opposition, which is the come of having been in
possession of the phone for an extended period of time,
as a finite amount of time in which it can
seek authorization to search or to do the search. Let
me just see for a second. Yeah, so in your
(21:13):
motion the conwal'st motion, it says, on January twenty two,
twenty twenty four, the Comals sought a warrant for mobile
devices capable of communicating in cell phones used by Karen Reid.
After review, Krupp authorized the lawrence. I am paraphrasing next paragraph.
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The search was executed on January twenty four, twenty twenty five,
at fourteen forty five hours by Lieutenant John Fanning, who
filed the return of service indicating seizure of two Apple iPhones,
one purple with green case and one white with ClearCase.
(21:57):
Is that seizure only of the phones or is it
the download of the information contained in the phones? Let
me just see. I thought that there was something in
here that said that there was a download, But maybe
(22:20):
I misstipped that.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
If there's something in there that I picked up from
an affidavit or a previous filing, I don't know. But
but my understanding is that the phones were seized.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Phones were seasonal and they haven't been searched. No, they
haven't been.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
They can't be searched accents access to the phones, which
require either to comm them up, proceeding with breaking the
attempting to break the log on information, or the receipt.
Speaker 8 (23:06):
Of the.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Past codes.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Okay, well, so you've been in possession of the phones
since January of twenty twenty four and are only now
requesting leave to download the information and search the phones.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
No, I think we already have leave to download the
information pursuing to the warrant. What we have is the
practical impossibility of downloading the information. What we're seeking is
leave to do the search pursuing to a search protocol.
(23:47):
As I understand that you're on, there are two There
are two aspects to this. One is the physical seizure
of the phone, for which the chase that he has
imposed prompt requirements to get a warrant after the phones
are seized or in this case, there was a search
(24:08):
warrant isssue prior to the seizure of the phones. And
the second aspect is the second search warrant to search
the information. I don't think there's any basis for parceling
out downloading as kind of a middle step here with
(24:31):
a separate requirement.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Well, what do you say to Ms. Reid's argument to
mister Bussang that the there's a certain amount of time
you have to download if you have the phones, and
now more than a year has passed and it's only
now being requested.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Well, there's no question of more than a year has
passed and it's only now being requested. And if mis
Read is right, I think that that would be it's positive.
But I don't think there's any basis in the case
law for concluding that miss Reed is right. The case
(25:16):
law suggests that a warrantless search of cell phones, if
that takes place, the Commonwealth must promptly seek a warrant,
and the burden of justifying any delay is on the Commonwealth,
whether or not the defendant press for the return of
the phone. That rule is designed to protect the defendant
(25:39):
pocessory interest in the phone, and that, as I understand,
it is based, among other things, on Secure versus the
United States for sixty eight US seven ninety six. Now,
this case is not a warrantless seizure. It's a seizure
pursuing to allowfully issued. There are instances of items that
(26:04):
have been seized in evidence that may have been subjected
to test years after the fact, sometimes as a result
of new evidence or developments in a case. But where
a warrant is obtained, the usual and accepted procedure, which
so far I've seen no evidence that the SJAC has changed,
(26:24):
is that the Commonwealth retains the seised items and from
the conclusion of the case, which time the defendant may
move for their return or the Commonwealth may move for
other dispositions. That's generally general Laws, Chapter two seventy six.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay, so does everyone get what's going on? So the
case law that Karen Read's lawyer, Stephen Buzang cited in
his motion to get these cell phones back, so that
you've got to give it back because they have no
right to it. But that case law Sigura versus the
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United States, has to do with warrantless searches. Because they
did have a warrant, the state has the right to
hold these phones until the case is over. And that's
Aiden Carney's case. So you know, the I mean, to
(27:26):
be realistic, we don't know if there's stuff on Karen
Reid's phone that's going to be used to bury Aiden
Karney and not Karen Reid. I mean you know, to
get any kind of jury in this area to convict
Karen Reid of anything is going to be near impossibility.
(27:49):
She's really and Aiden Carney too, I mean, they're really
above the law at this point. They're such folk heroes.
And that's one of the things that and this has
fraud campaigns do so well. They make the cops into criminals,
and they you know, and they turn the criminals into
(28:10):
folk heroes. So so you're saying, no, we have the
right to hold these phones to the end of Aten's case.
That's how and that's how it turned like on a
dime in this earring. I mean, it was like such
a switch. I mean in the beginning, you know, you
thought you were, like Camen Reid's going to get them
froms back immediately. They've had him too long, give them back,
(28:31):
don't search thought, Oh, Karen Reid's gonna like, you know,
walk away again. It's like everyone else in this case
has had and even not in this case not it
was just a witness in this case has had their
privacy and their you know, their text messages and their
personal things put on blast to deflect away from Karen Reid.
(28:59):
Oh behavior on criminal behavior but not Karen Reid. She's
gonna she doesn't have to testify, she doesn't have to
give up the passwords. When they went to get these phones,
she was she was taking the phones, you know, to
to Florida. They just watched like her phone being tracked,
(29:23):
like to Florida, Like she did everything to keep her
phones away from the state.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Section three through eight. Now, I've looked at the cases
that mister Buzzang has Uh has cited, and di.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
As relates to a warrantless seizure of the cell phones
and a delay in seeking a warrant to search. Yeah, okay,
and here we have a warrant that authorized the initial
search of the of the cell phones. Let me ask
mister Bouzang why that isn't just positive. Is there a
case that talks about a circumstance where there is a
(30:03):
warrant that is issued to authorize the seizure of the
cell phones, which is then where the ultimate search the
contents of the cell phones is delayed and therefore somehow
prejudicial to the defendant and is suppressed.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I think judge in this case, here the phones received
January of twenty second, twenty.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Four, right, pursuing to vote my warrant gr on exactly judgment.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So kitties, thank you kitties, says ROBERTA. Your logo was
looming nice and large. Thanks so much. Just a couple over,
is that for everyone? Like, so, whoever comes in to
the Zoom hearing, do they get like if I go
(30:59):
to a different channel, is that channel going to be
like two down from Turtle Boy? Or am I on
every channel? Like That's what I'd like to know. Let
me know if you know if you watched us on
a different channel. I don't know how Zoom works that way.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
And nothing's been done.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
The only reason something I understand. But do you have
a case that says that when that's the circumstance and
the year plus passes, they can't come back to the
court to seek authorization to go into the phones when
the court has originally authorized the seizure of the phones
in the first place. Well, I think DIA's judge, Well,
(31:39):
Diaz didn't involve a Warren apparently for the seizure of
the phone. It was a warrantless seizure of the phone.
No judge had viewed the contents of that phone is
potentially ruled that the contents of that phone were potentially
evidence in a case right that there was probable cause
or a basis tissue of the warren. So the question
(32:02):
is whether you have a case that results. Here results
that arises in the context of a warrant authorizing the
initial seizure of the phones, and then there's a delay
in looking at the content of the phones or any
other piece of evidence. You know, warrant authorizes the seizure
of the hiking boots, and there's a year and a
half delay on doing DNA testing to see if the blood,
(32:25):
if the boots trudge through mud or blood or whatever
the relevant substances.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Should judge well, I feel that the reasonable is in
delays in obtaining a search warrant. Under the fourth Amendment
Nautical fourteenth of the Search and Seizure Law requires law
enforcement to act diligently to obtain a search warrant without.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Unreasonable delay, and here they did by seeking a search
warrant for the seizure of the phones. The question is
whether there's an independent Any case says that there's an
independent obligation to seek further warrnce authorizing looking at other
aspects of the phone besides seizing the physical phone itself
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in a timely way.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Well, I think timing is relevant, Judge. They could have
done it. They could have done it with the special
console mellow. He chose not to. He went into the
grand jury, which they returned to no bill. And you're
on or This court knows better than anybody the level
that requires and indictments get issued. Here they returned to
no bill. Judge, I we it's less than any evidence
(33:35):
that miss Reid conspired with mister Kearny toliminate or participate
in any intimidation of any witness in this case. But
I think it is relevant in terms of now they
want to come back and look at her two phones,
and they have all that evidence from mister Ny they have.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Now I understand those arguments, but I'm still trying to
find a case if you have one that comes up
in the context of a warrant authorizing the initial seizure
of the device, and then it's.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Like you got to have case law says. There's like, well, look,
you know this happened two years ago. They already have
everything they need. I mean, they really doth protest too much,
as I said yesterday, like there's nothing criminal on here.
They have every all the messages from Karen to Aiden
on his phones and back. But I think there's I
(34:33):
think just this is the second time she's asked, I
mean to get these phones back. So she asked first
time round with her murder vehicle, and the murder vehicle
was returned, but not the phones. So she wants these
phones back desperately, without them being searched, without giving up
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the password to them, because I think, my opinion is
that there's something pretty damning on here.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
So there's a delay in searching that device or searching
that physical piece of evidence.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Give me one moment, Judge. Sure.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
So now they're looking for case law. Can we can
we bring much find some law.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
It's not the top of my head, Judge, but I
think just going back to the reasonless under the fourth Amendment,
I think too again, this would have I don't think
would have came up if we just let it stay
and didn't ask for the two phones. It was only
after I asked for the two phones that now this
is somehow an ongoing investigation, when they've had the investigation,
The investigation was done and there is nothing to it.
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If they had and I think with this evidence, Judge
that they have, they can go back to ten grand jury.
They're going to get ten no bills. But I think
in terms of reasonableness and timeliness, Judge, I think, you
know it's almost two years.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Okay, I'll take it under advisement.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'll take it under advisement. That's the meaning. I think.
That's a that's a big N. It's a big N.
It's a big N. It's just a switch. I mean,
you know sometimes you know, you go to these hearings
and you think, like just because a judge is well,
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press a lawyer and get them to argue, argue their
side as vigorously as possible. They'll ask some really tough questions,
so you don't know exactly which way. But this the
judge came in like, okay, let's get those phones back,
like you don't really have a From what I've read,
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apparently it was a good fight, like commits. The judge
before Cosgar was like, no, oh no, that has to
do with you think the judge would be familiar with that,
but no, it figured it was like, no, that's warrantless searches.
We had a warrant in this case. So yet yet
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yet so spoiler alert. I mean, do you want to
go on with this? I mean there's maybe five more minutes,
so it goes on. They have to go through her
phones with a taint team. It's not long hearing.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
We can have a next date of December fifty. Oh
you know what.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
I'm sorry, Margaret. I didn't get to the issue of
if the warrant issues for the search of the phone.
Do you have any contests with the protocol that was
set out by the come Well.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
I do, Judge John. I don't think the Commonwealth. You know,
in the preventive medicine case, the defense has some saying,
you know, who would be a part of the taint team.
So I don't take the representation from the government that
they should just set it up.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
I don't have any opposition from you or any substantive
response to you for the Photo office.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Can we put Melanie Little the glarer on the Tate
team than we can we just fill the Tate team
with free Karen readers. Can we put Barry Shack from
the Innocence Project on the day team? We want some
input now on who's actually going through the phone or
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can we find someone who's totally incompetent to be on
the day team. They won't find anything. Do you remember
when they downloaded Karen read the data from Karen Reid's
car the first time, and it was the defense expert
doing it, and they somehow missed a whole bunch of
data first time around. We had to wait for that
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for the second drive. Can we find someone like that.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
With regard to the protocol that's proposed by the Commonwealth,
That was part of the frustration that I had with
the papers as they came to me brought over. Yeah,
so there's an elaborate protocol laid out here in the
commonwealths papers, and I need specific details as to what
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you're proposing. If I'm going to authorize the Commonwealth to
search through the two phones, I take it you can
make a backup of the phones and do the search
off the backup, and you can promptly return the phones to.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Listen, your honor. We we suggest that the prosecution that
the state used these phone experts. They they're also on YouTube.
They have a show, the JFK Show. I think that
they would be awesome experts to go through the phone. Actually,
(40:10):
you know what Aid and Carney himself is an expert.
Love him go through Karen Read's phone. Oh yeah, agreed.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I assume that's the case, your honor. I will check.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Okay, But before we get to that, judge, could I
just have a couple of weeks to provide some opposition
to that.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
It'll be opposition to what.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
To the eighteen part of the government's motion.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
No, you can talk to mister Cosgrove. The two of
you folks can talk and come together, come to an
agreement as to a protocol, and if there are any
disputed paragraphs or sentences in that protocol, you'll show them
to me in a document indicating that there's a disagreement
as to this or that and the reason not a
(40:58):
long brief okay, philab.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Okay, this is an innocence fraudline here from w k
RP Non Cincinnati, but podcasting networks as people must realize
that this is bigger than Karen Reid. If we allow this,
then they can do it to you also. Okay. So
this is like an innocence fraud narrative, Like you might
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never do a crime, but that doesn't mean you won't
be falsely accused of doing a crime. Chances are. You know,
you're much more likely to be a victim of a
crime or be a family member of a victim of
a crime than being ever falsely accused. And I'm not
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saying wasn't falsely accused and she was treated pretty well
and she got rich off of grifting off of her crime.
There's nothing wrong with them keeping her phones. They had
a warrant for it. If you're involved with witness harassment,
they might seize your phone. There's this is zero that
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I'm worried about when it comes to the way that
this is done. What should I be worried about? W Karp.
I'm not involved in harassing witnesses in my murder trial,
which I was rightfully accused. And there is no fifty
plus person conspiracy conspiring against Karen Reid. Why did they
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want to conspire against Karen Reid? No one knew of
Karen Reid until she clipped John O'Keeffe and reversed him
into him with her foot seventy five percent on the
gas pedal, going up to speeds of twenty four miles
an hour in reverse, and then confess to it multiple
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times to first responders that I hit a maeada madam
next morning, never called nine one one, No, I think
you're much more likely to be treated like the O'Keefe family.
Then Karen read, that's the kind of treatment that we
should worry about. Murderers grifting off of their crime, people
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getting rich off of spinning a fantasy narrative that villainizes
the police in the state in favor of getting a
killer off, which was successful.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
We're briefing, but if I'm going to allow this, there's
going to be a tank team protocol put in place,
and I assume you're going to agree to ninety five
percent of what the com Wealth is proposing, and you
may quibble around the edges. I've issued these before. Okay,
it's not all that complicated.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
So I'll give you.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
I'll give you ten days to do that. If that
gives you folks enough time to confer with the idea
that you'll each agreement on most of it, very good
to Any problem with that is that enough time? Okay,
you're talking, all right?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Okay, So they have ten days to get a taint
team together and agree on the They have ten days
to get the parameters of the Tate team together between
the defense and the State and agree on and if
they can't agree on certain things, they'll put them before
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the judge. But right as they're about to, so we
think we're like, okay, we're about to, you know, wrap
it up with this hearing. That's decided, Karen Reid, you're
not getting your phones back. Let's look at the poll
going on. I put up a pole. So it's kind
of an interesting I'd like to see this because it
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lets me know who's watching. Kind of Actually a lot
of Karen Reid supporters checking in lately. Uh So we
have about twenty through four percent, So twenty four twenty
five percent of my audience right now says Karen Reid
should get her phone back immediately. So those I would say,
those are Karen Reid supporters. And about seventy six percent
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said no, So I mean you can kind of I
would think that this would there seventy seven percent. Now
it's a little so I think this would go along
the lines of who supports Karen Reid and who doesn't.
I mean, there's no why shouldn't she not get Karen
Reid can buy as many phones as she wants. There's
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and I mean, if you're saying that we should worry
that they're going to rummage all through her personal items
on her phone. Don't commit a crime if you keep
your prophecy. It's much more concerning that people who did
nothing but their job or just happen to be brought
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in by Karen Reid to mix it all up that morning. Otherwise,
you know, there's no need for her to call Jen McCabe.
I have some free Karen or Carrie Roberts. But she
needed other personalities to deflect attention away from her and
to make the nine one one call, and and Karen
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Reid recorded their nine one one call to all make
it look like there was something so and other other
than Karen Reid responsible for this crime. Otherwise, she had
just done the right thing and gotten help for John
O'Keeffe instead of help for herself. And Karen Reid supporters
have said, oh no, she had to call Jen McCabe
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that morning. She knew where John o'keef was. Okay, everybody,
She led them to his body into her handiwork and said,
oh she you know this is Karen Reid supporters. She
didn't know where he was. They were the last people
with no last people with the last text message she
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got it's from Brian Higgins that night, and the first
person she called was Michael Camerano, who left the bar
early because his son lost his tooth playing hockey. But
why is she calling Michael Camerano first, Katherine Camerano, make
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that make sense. Why didn't she call Brian Higgins. So
her first choices were the Cameranos. My feeling is because
they're whimps. They're self protective whimps. I mean, we saw
the way that they testified. Catherine Camerano, I'm sure remembers
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everything that or the majority. Let's put it this way,
it's burned in her brain what Karen Reid told her
that morning, and when asked, she said, oh, she was
just a lot of crazy yelling to some nonsense. She
knows that Karen Reid made, She made him a self
incriminating admissions to everyone else that morning except Catherine Camerano.
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We're supposed to believe that. And Michael Camerano. What a
great friend he was to John o'keef. They hung out
every Friday night together. But after he's murdered, it takes
him to the second trial to bring up the fact
that John O'Keefe was angry at Karen Reid that night
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because Karen Reid couldn't come out to the bar because
she had to meet her plumber, Richie, to fix her
hot water issue. And apparently Richie showed her a pipe
apart of her hot water issue that was I assume
it was a part, a pipe something part that was
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all rusted. And he puts the toilet seats on crooked
and he was going to home depot and he would
be back the next day. You've never seen if Karen
Reid actually made those text messages to Richie the plumber.
We don't even know if Ritchie the Plumber exists. I
put out an SOS. I'll put it out again if
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anyone knows that Richie the Mansfield plumber, get in touch
with me ROBERTA. Glass twenty three at Gmail. But it
took Michael Camerono to this second trial to bring all
that up. And he did, like in the most mouseous,
mouse like, mouse ish mouse like style. He very yeah, well,
(49:38):
he was, oh so things were going great with Karen
Reid and John o'keith that well, he was a little
upset because he would have fixed Karen Reid's hot water
issues himself. There was no need for her to delay
coming out that night and calling a plumber. This is
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the last thing they argued about that night. We know
this is the thing that made him angry, and it's
the part of the story that has been totally ghosted
Karen Reid's fabricated narrative around this plumber. No one wants
to talk about the plumber. Aiden Carney didn't want to
talk about the plumber. Does everyone get why it's important
(50:23):
to the story. It's the last thing they were talking
about via tex that night, and it's the thing that
Karen Reid in all her interviews, in all their documentary,
all her time in front of a camera, she never
talks about is her hot water plumbing issues. She's totally
(50:45):
ghosted from the story why. I think the reason why
is because she made it up. I may be wrong.
Show me the text messages back from Richie bring Richie
in why was a witness? Were the defense? And if
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she did make it up, it certainly paints a picture
that's consistent with the picture that was painted from the
other text messages of Karen Reid, that Karen Reid would lie,
fabric lie to have control over power and control over
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John O'Keeffe, to make him angry, to keep him involved.
We're talking about you know, this isn't the first DV
relationship that ended with one person taking the other person's life.
(51:51):
I eat Karen Reid taking John O'Keeffe's life in a brutal, horrendous,
horrific way. So this is a person that you've been
with for two years that you trust the most, that
you know with your I mean in the most, when
your backs turned to them clips you with their suv.
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They have to take microscopic pieces of your taillight out
of your shirt after you're dead. There was no time.
The timeline does not support any planning. There is no
opportunity to plan, any evidence, and no motive. But that
doesn't stop them from going on and on and on
(52:35):
about it. So the way that this will ended, let
me just get to the end of this. Hey, Wesley,
hold on a second. I'll get to you a hot minute.
Hold on. So right at the end, Adan Carney's lawyer
is trying to get Robert Cosgrove off of the prosecutor
(52:57):
off of the case, and he's like, not just intervene
at the end here and argue that Robert Cosgrove should
be thrown off at en Carti's case.
Speaker 6 (53:07):
All right, I think there will be very few things
for me to resolve, so I'll give you ten days.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
That'll be uh.
Speaker 6 (53:14):
Whatever, we were already October eighth. How about if you
get it to me by the twenty first October twenty first, Utcha,
and I'll take it in word form so that I
can make whatever edits I feel like I needed to
make to your version. Taking one side to the other's version,
I'm likely to be more like a baseball referee is
take the version that I think without you know, fiddling
too much with the language. So both sides really need
to be reasonable. I'm just okay, ten twenty one.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
We'll wait your responded to you until October twenty first,
and the matter's next on first.
Speaker 6 (53:42):
Yeah, you can for hearing emotions to thank you.
Speaker 10 (53:44):
For see you.
Speaker 6 (53:47):
Then you're on our man.
Speaker 9 (53:48):
You heard on the disqualification issue.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, so he wants to disqualify Robert Cosgrove as a prosecutor.
Speaker 6 (54:00):
Mister Bradle, in what docket did you file a motion
for disqualification?
Speaker 2 (54:07):
So that's Bradal who's aiding. Carney's lawyer pipes up at
the very end of here.
Speaker 9 (54:12):
I believe that was filed in all three dockets.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
This one is.
Speaker 9 (54:17):
Styled as an inn ray search warrant docket. It's twenty
the ratio second.
Speaker 6 (54:24):
When was the motion for disqualification Floud.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
I believe.
Speaker 6 (54:30):
Last week October ten six. I'm not going to hear
you on that until I get a response.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
Sure, I understand your right.
Speaker 6 (54:38):
It's just a little bit cart before the horse.
Speaker 9 (54:39):
I think because council is forging ahead under a conflict,
and you know, I don't think Council for the Kamal.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Should be.
Speaker 9 (54:48):
Permitted to keep forging ahead on this thing until the
conflict issue is resolved. So I would ask that you
stay any any action on the part of the Komal.
Speaker 6 (54:57):
I will not. I will not. I'll take I'll put
you on for emotion a hearing on a motion for disqualification.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
So there's Bradle saying like, you can't go forward with
anything to do with these phones again, delay, just hoping
they get that these phones back. It must be bad
for Aiden Carney and Karen Reid to you throw Robert
Cosgrove off of it, and maybe we can get another
prosecutor that's not quite as sharp. He doesn't see the
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significance and how these two worked with each other criminally
to harass witnesses. Let's get someone who's really we get
is Judge Canoni. Can she work as a prosecutor in
this case? Can we get her on as a special prosecutor?
Wesley loves October has more cat door money. Thank you
(55:50):
very much, Wesley, nice to see you. Thanks for ever
supporting the channel. Next time I'll make it. I'll try
to make this zoom hearing more visually interesting. Try to
blow up the at least Aiden Carney and the judge
so we don't have to look at this big phone thing.
(56:11):
I'm just happy I got it. I got into the
same hearing, got it recorded. That's what I'm happy about.
Speaker 6 (56:19):
But I'm not going to do it on the fly
or without everybody having adequate opportunity.
Speaker 5 (56:25):
To be heard.
Speaker 6 (56:25):
Sure understanding. When would you like to schedule a hearing
on that motion to that market you have? We could
do December fifth, but let me do you have the
motion for disqualification?
Speaker 4 (56:38):
I have an affidavit, there's a sorry judge, there's an
impounded and a redacted one redacted for the public docket,
and there should be an unimpounded one or unredacted one rather, that's.
Speaker 9 (56:49):
For the court, and I believe they were filed in
all three for those dockets. So the twenty four and
the sorry, the twenty three case.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
For mister Karney, this in race Arch one case and.
Speaker 9 (57:03):
If not, I'll just make sure mound portasm.
Speaker 6 (57:04):
In this case. But down there they didn't sure the fild. Okay,
what's the status of the twenty twenty five case, the
twenty five Cr.
Speaker 9 (57:19):
Eighty eight, that's had a little bit of a back burner, Judge,
I think there's a there's a pre trial.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
So spoiler alert, they get a December fifth hearing on
throwing out at two pm, throwing out Robert Cosgrove. That's
the end of the hearing, but pretty fast. I thought
it was a pretty interesting hearing. Surprising, surprising for Massachusetts
(57:48):
in this case. What else do we have? I went
over the depetro stuff, so that's going on. I mean,
it's just been just the way they optight, you know,
he says he's gonna I mean, I guess I'll go
(58:09):
over the actual the emails that Turtle this is has
listed John de Pietro. But the thing is John di
Petro never owned that domain name. A quick who's its
search and way back Machine search shows a man in
Italy has owned that domain as early as two thousand
(58:30):
and one. There are a few times the registration has lapsed,
only for that Italy guy to reclaim ownership. It's bounced
around the last couple of years, and was even listed
for sale in twenty twenty four. It was registered again
in June twenty twenty five. That same month, Turtle purchased
(58:52):
the site Johndpetroshow dot com and redirected it to his
own donation site. If you look up to Petro's actual
website info, it shows to Petro's name, address, and phone
number under the registration. The fake John di Petro and
John di Petro's Show are both registered privately with no
(59:13):
contact info for the owner. Turtle could take a few
minutes to look this up. Took me maybe twenty minutes
to find this online. So let me see if I
can find the actual I think I have the actual
letter that or email. I mean, it sounds like it
really sounds if you listen to it. I didn't find
(59:37):
it believeable to me. It sounded like a Turtle writer
just the language of it. Hold on one second, Okay,
(01:00:01):
here we go, So let me just show you what
he claims John di Petro. I mean, it's just all
this sort of So this is the email that Aiden
Carney says that John di Petro wrote to Hank Brennan's agent.
(01:00:27):
I mean, I don't know why Hank Brennan would have
an agent. I mean, he hasn't put himself out in
the media at all. Maybe you were saying that Hank
Brennan's agent is only dealing with John di Petro. I mean,
it doesn't really even make any sense. Dear mister Brennan,
I am reaching out again to respectfully request that you
(01:00:48):
consider taking over the prosecution of Aiden Karney. Source. I mean,
I've never been heard of the idea of Hank Brennan
taking over the prosecution of Aiden Karney. Sources have told
me and others that most, if not all, the charges
against mister Carney may soon be dismissed. I haven't heard
(01:01:09):
that the development is deeply concerning to the McCabe and
O'Keefe families, who feel very overlooked, so that mccabs come
first over the O'Keefe family. Maybe, I mean, this is
their obsession, the Mcalberts, the mcal you know, and then
(01:01:29):
the O'Keefe family. So this is their the I mean,
this is the been their target, the mccaves, then the Alberts,
and then the o'keefs come last. The Alberts get ghosted
in this Strangely, the mccaves and the O'Keefe family, who
feel very overlooked, very overlooked by District Attorney Michael morrissey's office.
(01:01:53):
There's another one of their obsessions, Michael Morrissey. Mister Carney's actions,
including the all a legal recording of Karen Reid which
has now come to light, have caused significant distress. Despite
outreach from some of Ms Reid's adversaries encouraging her to
press charges, she has chosen not to pursue this course.
(01:02:16):
So they're talking about the wiretap of Karen Reid. Mister.
If mister Carney avoids accountability, many including myself, will lose
faith in the Commonwealth justice system. It sounds like aiden
wrote this, we believe your leadership in this case could
ensure that the charges and pursued, effectively preventing their dismissal.
(01:02:41):
Mister Carney's actions have caused considerable harm, and we feel
strongly that he should face appro appropriate consequences, which we
believe would be life imprisonment, life imprisonment. I've never heard
anyone on this side say, Aiden, should you life imprisonment
(01:03:02):
for witness harassment? But okay, thank you for considering this request.
We tried doing life imprisonment for witness harassment in Massachusetts.
A little thank you for considering this request. I am
confident that with your experience expertise, justice can be served. Yeah,
(01:03:24):
to me, it sounded like Aiden Carney just nonsense. You know,
get a new enemy, rile up the base behind him,
and put someone who's you know, think you know John
(01:03:45):
Depetro like interviewed a whole fake juror they catfished him
with a fake juror he's always been an enemy of
you know, of free care and read put him up
like his red meat for the free Cairen readers and
a way you know, away from himself. So that's how
(01:04:07):
they spin the narrative. It's nonsense, Yeah, just some nonsense.
And the way that he reads it is so interesting.
You know, he did a live on it that I
listened to last night. He talked a lot about you know,
I put up an old you know, the interview is
not new. I've had it for I played it before
(01:04:29):
my channel of Natalie Bernsteiner were Wiki, but I don't
think a lot of the Freekiren readers had heard it.
I was shocked. I just put it up as a
favor to one of my listeners who said, you know,
we were going over it just recently because of the
Grand jurissues, et cetera. Someone said, could you put it up?
(01:04:49):
So I just put it up as a you know,
just for people who just wanted to listen to the
and it's done well for my little channel, for my
little channel. So I was surprised to hear Adan Carney
talk about Natalie bernstein Er Wuwiki, who I guess he
(01:05:10):
had for the most part and made her an enemy,
calling her Natalie the German, but had mostly ghosted her
out of the narrative of his involvement in Karen Reid's
defense and as Karen Reid's propaganda's innocent fraudst her. So
(01:05:30):
it was I thought it was curious that he was
talking about her last night, just out of the blue.
But you know, he goes through the email and he's
kind of saying is this fake? You know the way
he does he sort of plays with it like is
this fake? My sources didn't say it was fake. I
didn't check out my sources. You know. He's a highly manipulative,
(01:05:59):
dangerous kopath. Maiden Carney. Yeah, it's really concerning to watch
him go through it and just kind of be like, well,
is this fake. You're saying it's fake? To Petro says
it's fake, but why are you lying? You know the
same thing, the same kind of stuff he did around
(01:06:21):
the tape, show the receipts, Why are you lying?
Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Around is he knew he recorded Karen Reid, he knew
he played the tape for at least his girl, his
ex girlfriend, Meredith O'Neill. And Meredith O'Neill has made a statement.
I mean, just we'll go through all the free Karen
Reid drama today for some of it, she's made a statement.
(01:06:47):
And this is what I find interesting or compelling about
Meredith O'Neill's statement. So here's her statement. Thank you. I
don't want an apology. I just want the attacks to stop. Well,
Jennifer McCabe would have liked the attacks to stop. The
o'kee family, who had been through one trauma after the other.
(01:07:16):
We're all vulnerable, would have liked the attacks to stop.
So it's so easy when it's not you, right on everyone.
It's a one sided feud. And for those asking why
I didn't address this before, I don't respond to any
of her posts about me. As tempting as it is
(01:07:38):
to want to defend myself, it just makes her grow
harder at me and others I care about. I don't
want to clear up the lies because I'd be at
it all day. I didn't respond when my family was posted,
so she was being accused of taping Karen Reid and
Aiden Carney on her watch. I didn't respond when my
family was posted incessantly last week, and I didn't want
(01:08:01):
to get out of bed because it was so hurtful
family members who have nothing to do with any of this.
By the way, I don't well. I don't interact with
her at all. I've never gone after her, never shared
her texts from our year long friendship, never wished her
(01:08:22):
ill will someone else asked me directly Yesterday's where it
was a good opportunity to respond, and maybe she'll stop
bringing it up. I doubt the other two people being
mentioned daily want that to continue either. Okay, so it's
so easy. It's so easy when it's not, you too write.
(01:08:47):
So I think I'm going to leave it there for today.
I think I've gone through everything that I want to
talk about. So you know, this is I mean, it's
a eye opener into how these innocence fraud narratives work.
(01:09:09):
And I don't believe Aidan Carney when he says he's
dropping the sword and he won't talk about Karen Reid anymore.
It's too profitable to him. His whole audience is there
to listen to him talk about Karen Reid. I don't
believe him. He may pause on it for a minute.
I doubt that even But this is where his where
(01:09:31):
he makes his money off of creating fabricated narratives around
this case. And he's convinced a good portion of the country,
if not the world, that his fantasy narratives are true
in this case. So that is what I have to
(01:09:55):
say for today. Please hit the thumbs up support this
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You can send a donation via Venmo, buy me a coffee,
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(01:10:20):
Thank you all for watching and with me, and I
will be back hopefully tomorrow at six to talk about
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case or this one some more tomorrow at six pm.
(01:10:42):
Don't miss it, Eastern see it. Thanks for listening, to
see you tomorrow.
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but with Lion lawyers, I'll go far.
Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
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a campaign to save my skin.
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