New Press Conference on Charlie Kirk's Killer! Search Goes on For Accomplices!

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:50):
Okay, how is everybody? Hello, Blue River, Hello John Smith,
Hello Jennifer Ray, Hello Anita. I know this is not
my usual kind of show, but I have been following

(01:15):
the story of the assassination of Charlie Kirk from the
very beginning, and I was very suspicious and I thought
that it was probably someone connected or radicalized by Antifa,

(01:39):
because I have come face to face with them, and
they're a scary group who seem to want to silence
those who don't agree with them. So I had come
across them at a rally in New York for women's

(02:01):
rights and they had just shut down the entire event.
So it just seemed very much in line with that,
you know, combined with the clues, the early clues that
we had when the shot was fired off was right
when Charlie Kirk was being asked about issues having to

(02:23):
do with transgenders and violence. So thank you. So there
has been a new press conference, so let's get into
that first. But I think the real question is is
did he act alone. I mean and when you say alone,

(02:46):
did he have accomplices? And it really will stretch the
idea of accomplices. There seemed to be people and I'll
go through the evidence in a minute who knew that
this was going to happen and we're excited about it
and may have been talking. Actually I'll go through it now.
Let me go through it now before the press conference,

(03:07):
just so you have a little bit of background. So
we know on the bullets there is I'm paraphrasing engraving
if you read this you're gay, lmao, laughing my butt off.
My words, not theirs. So we know that there's a

(03:28):
Steam group. So Steam is mostly for video games, but
they have private message groups, so read this if you're gay,
and people have been online sleus have been following the
people in that group and their social media, so that
we know that we've seen one saying we effing did it,

(03:51):
afterwards celebrating another one before Charles James Kirk mister college dropout.
This is beforehand, before September tenth. Does not know what's
coming tomorrow, so this is September ninth. Be ready. This
isn't a thread, it's a promise. So we saw things

(04:16):
like that and more things like I'll plead the fifth
from people in that group. So I would get if
I mean, if I had to guess, I would think
that a whole he had a whole host of hope, help, hope, help,

(04:36):
help in this. So that's my guess on this. But
I would doubt we're going to see I think it's
a really going to be a really hard thing to
bring a case of. I mean, this like online accomplices,
So what kind of evidence are you going to find.
We know that he was given the scope, and people

(04:59):
say it, what in a two thousand dollars scope? But
who gave him the scope? Is that going to be
considered some kind of accessory accomplice? That's going to be interesting.
If I had to guess, I would think that we're
not going to see any arrests. But I'm certainly very
suspicious of the emails or the text messages between him

(05:21):
and his roommate or lover who was taking hormones to
try to look like the other sex, And certainly that
it's a very awkward. We're going to go through it
and the other press conference, but it's a very awkward,

(05:43):
unbelievable exchange between the two and the whole timeline of
events seems to not support the fact that what's written
in the text messages. We'll talk about it more when
we some of the press conference from the charging press conference.

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But here's the sheriff's office to a press conference today.
Let's take a look at it together. Mostly, what he
wants people to know is that Tyler Robinsonson, the alleged
assassins father, did not is not a retired sheriff who

(06:26):
put him in handcuffs and brought him in I thought
that was pretty clear, but apparently there is a Matt
Robinson who works in the Sheriff's office has been getting
a lot of harassment. Let's take a listen.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
He's currently a deputy with the sheriff's office, and he
physically put handcuffs on his son, the suspect, and brought
him into jail. That's completely false. It just so happens
that Tyler's father's Matt Robinson. There was some information about
a retired deputy, so somehow that got blured in the media,
and I just want to make sure that we're walking

(07:01):
that back as best we can. Because Matt Robinson, my
retired deputy has been receiving, been harassed. He's had to
leave his house at this point. So whatever you can
do to help walk that back, I'd appreciate it. His
family would appreciate that. So getting into getting into the details,
so obviously we knew Charlie Kirk was assassinated at UVU

(07:23):
in the afternoon, about a thirty three hour manhunt ensued
and I was winding down for the evening and about
well at exactly eight o two on the eleventh, I
received a call from a friend of mine who happens
to be a retired detective that worked for me for
many years. I didn't put that out there initially. I

(07:46):
wanted to protect that individual as much as possible. Unfortunately,
in the court documents, which is standard, he was referenced
as a retired Washington County deputy.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
So I didn't put that out there.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
It was in the court docks and to protective in
that information and just saying retired law enforcement in general.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
So so I get a.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Call from my friend and his his said, hey, how
you doing good? And it's not you know, he's been
retired a few years. He he'll we'll call each other.
It's not it's not unusual for me to get a
call from him or vice versa. And at eight o
two pm he calls me, Hey, I can tell his
voice is kind of shaky, So my first thought is
who died? Like, who, Who's Who's he gonna tell me

(08:27):
that died? And then and then I can't. I couldn't
fathom what actually came out of his mouth. So he said, Hey,
I know who. I know who Charlie Kirkshooter is. I
know the family through religious association, and uh, he's in
he's in Washington County now and we're working on trying

(08:49):
to get him to come in voluntarily. During that phone call,
some information has provided.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
About so Tyler Robinson's parents are registered Republicans. So the
media or mainstream media has been really pushing out the
idea that the son has the exact same politics as
the parents, like it's never happened in a family that

(09:15):
the son has different politics than the parents, or that
the son would rebel from the parents, especially at Utah.
The roommate is a former Mormon, an ex Mormon, and
he says that his parents totally discarded him when he

(09:36):
came out, or that he wanted to transition whatever that means.
And and but he's living in in the home that

(09:56):
his parents own. So a little fib a little online
fib by the roommate got exposed. But the roommate says,
he has no I had no idea that this was happening.
Even though the text messages they say go back and forth.
They say that, well, you know those bullets I was engraving,

(10:17):
Like what is it like knitting at night? Is the
same as like, you know, you're someone's engraving bullets in
your home and you don't ask what's going on? What
are you doing? What are you up to? It's odd,
It's odd. These text messages are so odd. Which is

(10:38):
it may just be the answer may be just that
they're odd people and that there may be nothing more
to it. It's just when we get into the other
press conference, the mother seemed to know right away that
it was her son. And this is what I find
so amazing about this story is these are extraordinary parents.

(11:03):
Most parents of killers go into complete denial. They and
say it's not my son, not my daughter, usually my son,
but not my son, not my daughter. Couldn't be start

(11:24):
an innocence campaign, won't turn them in. It's a really
rare parent that will turn in their son and say, oh,
that's my son. So what did she know? And when
she called her son and said where were you? He

(11:45):
said he was in bed for two days? And she
was like moms and no, she didn't believe them. She
didn't believe that sick in bed for a two days story.
So really extraordinary parents. I don't think they deserve the
harassment they're getting. I don't think any you know, people

(12:06):
who are close to these killers deserve harassment, but certainly
not these parents. They were really instrumental in getting him
to turn himself in. Of course, he did the thing,
I'm going to end it all. But the other odd

(12:27):
thing is that he moves away from the area because
it says in this press conference that he was worried
about getting shot by the police. So does it really
make sense? So did he want to end it all
when when he he didn't want to, He wanted to
preserve his life when he thought he could get away

(12:50):
with it. I mean maybe that, maybe that makes sense,
but certainly a change of it seems like a manipulative
tactic to my mind. But let me know what Tyler.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Potentially having some suicidal ideations, was entroute to a remote
area Washington County. The parents convinced him not to do that,
and you know, conveyed that they would, you know, stand
by him and help them help him surrender peacefully.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
So at that point that phone call was a minute.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
In forty one seconds, I immediately called Sheriff Mike Smith
in Utah County, who I knew was at the incident
command in Utah County. So for about forty seconds, I'm
telling Sheriff Smith, hey, yeah, I'm confident we have the
shooter in Washington County. We're working on getting him to
come in and surrender at my office. We didn't have

(13:44):
him yet. And after about forty seconds, Sheriff Smith's like, wait, wait, what.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Are you talking about.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
So he was shocked as I was to hear the news,
and so I repeated myself.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
He said, you know, how credible is it?

Speaker 4 (13:59):
I said, you know, I trust this this guy that
called me with my life, and I think it's time
you need to get your your people. The lead investigators
had to do Washington County within the hour. My friend
drove Tyler and his parents to my office, where he
was greeted by playing clothes detectives, So that was part

(14:21):
of the part of the deal. Is Tyler knew it
was just inevitable with all the law enforcement pressure that
he you know, his picture in the news, the gun,
the gun on the news, he knew was inevitable that
he would be caught. He was fearful of the swat
team hit on his house, or he was fearful of
being shot by law enforcement.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
So right, o odd for someone who wants to end
it all being fearful of being shot by law enforcement. Odd. Right. Also,

(15:04):
the gun was a gift from his grandfather, and he
knew it would be recognized, and he thought his father
would be looking for it, according to him. And the
other really fascinating thing about these text messages between him
and his roommate that go back and forth is that

(15:25):
he's like, I don't want to involve you. I wanted
to protect you. But everything in those text messages is
about himself and protecting himself and getting away with it. It's
zero about the roommate. Zero, It's all about himself and
making a grand gesture, very much like Luigi Mangioni. And

(15:50):
it will be a fascinating watch to see if he
gets this kind of some support. We've seen this celebrations
from people who didn't agree with Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk
had you a more minority opinion about a lot of things.

(16:11):
But we all seem to understand that a big part
of what he did was to challenge our thinking and
actually bring back debate into American life where we had

(16:31):
gotten so to a point where we only saw one
side of almost every issue, where it's gotten so divided.
So if you want the right wing side of an issue,
you go to Fox News or Newsmax. And you want
the sort of more left wing view, you go everywhere else.

(16:53):
And in New York here we have the New York Post,
which is like a more conservative newspaper, or the Daily
News is the more left wing. There really seems to
be just a lack of intersection of ideas and when

(17:14):
people on the right when to go to college campuses.
I just heard David Horowitz, who passed this year, talk
about He said it just like couldn't deal with it,
Like the pain for the security and the death threats
and the issues being the protests, and the issues of
being drowned out totally silenced a lot of times they

(17:41):
would be like, we can ensure your safety, so I
have to bring his own. I mean, this is things
that you hear from people on the right, not so
much the left. And I don't know when it became
so censorous and ideas, and I think if I had
to guess where ideas became dangerous? Is this idea of

(18:04):
hate speech being a kind of form of violence, so
that speech is no longer speech. And I'm not calling
about a call for violence that kind of hate speech.
I'm just call talking about an expression of an opinion
becomes that you don't agree with, or a speech that

(18:24):
you hate becomes hate speech, and so that it justifies
shutting it down or silencing it or not giving it
a platform, et cetera, et cetera. Part of the negotiator,
I mean totally not even not giving it a platform,
totally making sure they're not heard.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
In getting him to bring himself in, was that that
we would we would treat it as delicate and as
soft as possible to make him feel comfortable to where
he would he would show up at my office.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
And that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
So sense we weren't the leading a lead agency basically it
was about a two and a half hour waiting in
a room, not communicating with the suspect. Our job was
not to interview, Our job was just to get him here.
So after about two and half hours we ended up
getting federal agents and state agents in and.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Some of my detectives were asked to go.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Out into the community and secure two locations, so the
parents' home and the apartment that Tyler was living in,
along with the vehicle that Tyler was.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
Likely driving up at Aubu.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
So we know he got rid of his clothes. There's
also I thought this press conference was a fascinating watch.
It's very long, so I've started about thirteen minutes in,
so mainly the facts that are really out in the
public domain that we know just about the shooting, et cetera,

(19:57):
et cetera. I moved past, and they're charging him, looking
for the death penalty in his case. And in Utah
they have death by firing squad, so they are throwing
on the maximum charges that they can get, including witness intimidation.

(20:24):
So when he told his so he wrote a note
to his roommate saying, I'm go off to kill Charlie Kirk.
This is what I don't understand about the text messages.
Maybe I have the timeline incorrect. Maybe this note was
never seen by the roommate. But if you get a
note saying I'm off to eliminate Charlie Kirk off the

(20:45):
face of the earth, and then that happens in the
state that you're living nearby, would you you don't suspect
the person that you're supposed to be living with. But
then the text messages are like, but I thought they
got the guy and the guy that originally This is
another fascinating little fact in this. The man that we

(21:09):
all thought was the shooter because he stood up after
it and said I did it. Now is he connected
to any.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Of these.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Steam Facebook groups. He's been recently arrested for CP He
has a history of standing up and saying arrest me.
But he said he did that because he wanted to
let the shooter get away. So is he an oddball

(21:38):
character that just threw himself into the story or was
he part of a plan. That's a real mystery in this.
Who knows? Just odd Let me know what you think
about him. You've looked into that guy script as he

(22:01):
also has been critical of Mormons too, which I find interesting.
So you have the roommate who's an ex Mormon. He's
very critical of the Mormon church. And then you have
this guy who stood up and got arrested at the scene,
and you can see that the resting officer in the
video of his arrest is really skeptical. He says, well,
he said he did it, but uh, like, uh, I'm

(22:26):
not sure about this as he's hauling him off, like,
I'm not sure we got the right guy here. So
is that guy just a guy who spontaneously had an
idea to help the shooter out at the time? And

(22:47):
what was his issue with Charlie Kirk I mean? Or
was he into these We know also that the roommate'll
get more into the roommate a second, but was into
furry community kind of kink, and so was Tyler Robinson?

(23:08):
Was he part of that? So we know that he
has some perversions? Was that was he part of I
don't know, I don't know. Is he on steam? Is
he in this Steam group? Or is it just a coincidence?

Speaker 6 (23:27):
Follows the fired cartridge was etched, No Tys's bulge, Oh
w oh, what's this? The second cartridge that was that
was again not spent. The last three were not spent.

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We're not fired. The second hey fascist catch with arrow symbols.
The third cartridge, Oh bella chow bellach bella chow chow chow.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
The fourth kick so bella chow is the anthem of Antifa.
So Antifa has, I mean, basically just been ignored if
you're in New York City. My representative says they don't exist,

(24:27):
but there's a They have a large gender non conforming
people who ideologically aligned. They were very involved in the
riots during Black Lives Matter. They dress in black block
Often they aim to deafen their opponents with their bullhorns

(24:51):
known to spin on. People throw what are called milkshakes,
which are like these like mixtures of things that hit
your head. I'm not sure what's in them, but when
they hit your head, they're they caused a brain injury.
To journalist Andy Now, he's been had. He lives basically

(25:13):
now in England in an undisclosed location, and Antipa says
he also wrote the book on Anapha. I highly recommend
it excellent read. But according to Andy Now, he says
they're they're looking the Antifa in Ireland is looking to

(25:36):
eliminate him next. So I mean, we could almost look
at this as some kind of I don't know, like
homeland terrorism or world terrorism.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Cartridge, if you read this, you are gay, lmao. The rifle, ammunition, rounds,
and towel were sent for forensic processing. DNA consistent with
Robin with defendant was found on the trigger.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
So Bella Chow was thank you, Brooke, thank you for
reminding me it was a song that was an anti
fascist song. So antithysis, they're anti fascist, but their tactics
are totally fascist. I don't They don't seem to get
the irony of their actions. They believe it's justified to

(26:43):
you know, they believe in political violence, burning down police stations,
are our judicial system, etc. Etc. There's like almost an
anarchist element too in it. But there's just been a

(27:11):
complete blackout in the press except for Andy Know, who's
like the one journalist who's really covering it regularly and consistency,
consistently with any kind of with their violence or their
court cases or their arrests.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
Other parts of the rifle, the fired cartridge casing, two
of the three unfired cartridges, and the towel law enforcement
was unable to immediately locate the shooter, so they published
photos of the shooter from the UVU surveillance cameras and
ask for the public's help to identify them. Meanwhile, law

(27:53):
enforcement continue to try to identify the shooter through other
means the Washington County investigation. On the evening of September eleventh,
twenty twenty five, as law enforcement continued their investigation, Tyler
James Robinson went to the Washington County Sheriff's office with

(28:14):
his parents and a family friend to turn himself in.
Robinson's mother stated that the following to police. On September eleventh,
twenty twenty five, the day after the shooting, Robinson's mother
saw the photo of the shooter in the news and
thought the shooter looked like her son. Robinson's mother called

(28:37):
her son and asked him where he was. He said
he was at home sick, and that he had also
been at home homesick on September tenth.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Robinson's so he's just just convalescing at home. No, Mom
was like, hmm, don't think so. Sure looks like you.
And they were marked on his gait too, his just
the way he moved was unique.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
Mother expressed concern to her husband that the suspect shooter
looked like Robinson. Robinson's father agreed. Robinson's mother explained that
over the last year or so, Robinson had become more
political and had started to lean more to the left,
becoming more pro gay and trance rites oriented. She stated

(29:39):
that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male
who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with
family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who
have very different political views. In one conversation before this shooting,

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Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event
at UVU, which Robert Robinson said was a stupid venue.
For the event, Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate. Robinson's
father reported that when his wife showed him the surveillance
image of the suspected shooter in the news, he agreed

(30:24):
that it looked like their son. He also believed that.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
The hey dystopian deep dives, I don't know, let me
throw out if you want to come on, let me
if you want to come on and talk about this
with me, let me just throw out the link in
the chat hold on a second. But was Robinson Mormon?

(30:49):
That's what I was trying to figure out, or is
it just the roommate.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
Rifle that police suspected the shooter used matched a rifle
that was given to his son as a gift. As
a result, Robinson's father contacted his son and asked him
to send a photo of the rifle. Robinson did not respond. However,
Robinson's father spoke on the phone with Robinson. Robinson implied

(31:24):
that he planned to take his own life. Robinson's parents
were able to convince him to meet at their home.
As they discussed the situation, Robinson implied that he was
the shooter and stated that he couldn't go to jail
and just wanted to end it. When asked why he
did it, Robinson explained there was too much evil and

(31:46):
the guy, referring to Charlie Kirk, spreads too much hate.
They talked about Robinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson
Robinson to speak with a family friend who was a
retired deputy.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Okay, so there, so we're sort of tailed. Hey, dystopian
deep dives. How are you? How's it going good?

Speaker 1 (32:12):
So?

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Is Robinson a Mormon?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Too. Yeah, I believe with all four families Mormon. From
what I've read.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
I'm just I'm just shocked that this is so rare
that you see a family turning in a killer.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
It is, that's it is strange. It's strange that you know,
he didn't immediately do like death by cop or something
like that. I'm surprised they caught him.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Well, that's I mean, don't you find that odd that
he says he's worried about death by cop, but then
he's telling his family.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I think it's like a total psychopathic narcissist.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
So me too, you too, another one. It's like every
person I talk about on this has the same personality.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
It's bizarre, and they're not you know, they're not very smart.
You know this.

Speaker 7 (33:05):
You know you know this.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Well, everybody's saying he's so smart. You know, he got
almost a perfect act.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
He dropped out of college after a month.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Why do you think that? Do you think he just
couldn't I.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Think he couldn't handle it. I mean, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's to me, it speaks to some kind of mental issue,
like it was overwhelming and he couldn't handle it, and therefore,
you know, he left after a month of and he
I mean, have you seen that speech where he receives
the scholarship money.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
I mean, I was just gonna say that, doesn't he
look odd? He wants to get the praise, Like when
he reads like the thirty two thousand dollars scholarship, like
he really emphasiz this is the words thirty two thousand dollars,
but the rest of it is really flat. Yeah, off

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putting the way he reads it.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
No, No, for sure, I totally agree.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
I love this. This is this the DA. I believe
this is the DA giving this press conference. Am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (34:22):
And that well, I'm not. I haven't watched this particular.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
And I thought was excellent. He said that's why he goes.
You know, I believe it's a I thought it was
really just well done.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I liked what the Governor of Utah said in the
other press conference about social media and spending too much
time and how I think he did. He was into
some very dark spaces on the internet. That's you know,
I really think that, right.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
So we have his roommate has the furry female Garfield
Bury character, and then as his as his avatar, and
then Robinson had the Garfield's owner. I don't remember the
name of Garfield's owner. Do I remember Jim Davis did

(35:16):
the art, but I don't remember it. Does anyone remember
what Garfield's owner?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
That was?

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Just John?

Speaker 8 (35:22):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I think you may be right now.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I even thought of Garfield.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Since maybe about fifth grade. Right, that'll age me. But yeah,
so he had the owner, you know, the cartoon owner
as his avatar. And they also talk about discord spaces
in addition to steam.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
But what do you think that I see a lot
of people online talking about how they suspect that these
chat logs are not real. But from a legal standpoint,
wouldn't it be really detrimental to your case to just
make something up like that? Well?

Speaker 3 (36:01):
I don't. Well, I mean you would have to take
his roommate's phone and his phone and then anticipate not
being able to get his gun. So what I think
they mean, or what I mean when I say I
have suspicions about these text messages back and forth, is
that if I do it, pretend you don't know, you

(36:25):
had no idea, and let's act as if let me
protect I'm going to protect you. I think it would
be very hard to live with someone and not have
fore knowledge. Strangely, the mom seemed to know right away.
How does the mom know right away that that's her
son and he did it like very sure. And the
roommate who is with him every day or maybe not,

(36:47):
I don't know. I mean, I've heard he also lived
at home some of the time.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
It's very murky.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I'm not sure where he lived either, because I've heard
varying reports that he lived at home or he lived
with this I think it was maybe his college room.
But he's also embedded in this furry community. And these
people are sexual deviance. Like I don't care what people
say about me saying that. I you know, I think

(37:15):
it's very strange to dress up in a big fur
suit and uh, you know, have a sexual thing with it.
The creepy thing is a lot of these furry people.
They groom younger people online and they're fully adults doing this.
And so, I mean, I've seen images of the furry

(37:38):
community in Utah out there, and I can imagine that
it's like this super duper form of rebellion against Mormonism,
you know, right right.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
They're an interesting population Mormons. They have or Utah and
they have a high hy degree of plastic surgery. So
there's a they're very aware of how they look, you know,
to the outs at a little bit like scientology. I'm
not just in that they want to blend into the

(38:15):
culture and appear appear wealth to the you know, because
they're aware that there's a lot of a lot of
dislike for their religion, so they want to appear, you know,
make the best appearance. I don't know, you could say
that there's a lot of narcissism in it. Maybe I
don't know. But they also have a very high degree

(38:37):
of giving to charities too in Utah. So it's a
it's a law.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Enforcement A lot of them are involved in law enforcement.
We are involved in the FBI.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Uh, you have the the dad of this kid, Tyler,
was an ex law enforcement officer. It's all very weird.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Was he though?

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Was he?

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Because we just mean, I don't know if you came
in late, but they just debunked the idea that he
was the sheriff. So that was the friend. So the
sheriff that brought him in was the friend of the family.
I've heard that his father was law enforcement, and then
they're saying he was definitely not the sheriff that turned
him in. They had to go to the friend of
the family to convince him to turn himself in. So

(39:27):
it wasn't like his father put handcuffs on him and
brought him in. So I'm confused as to what his
father does or did. He said, he's not the Matt
Robinson who works in their office who's been getting a
lot of harassment. It just curious because you know, I
talk about innocence fraud, and there's so many of these

(39:48):
parents that lead these innocence fraud campaigns. I'm sure they
don't get one call of harassment, one call of harassment,
but the parents that turned their their son in get
him to do their right thing, you know, or just
get I get the outrage over what he did, but
I don't know. I may they feel the parents could

(40:08):
have stopped it. I mean there's also that there's that's
been changing in the past couple of years. We've seen
these indictments against parents of school shooters, and that.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Parents bringing really popular lately, like with the Minneapolis shooter.
They really wanted to blame that woman. And then again,
you know, Andy know there was on the scene to
debunk that. I honestly like fear for Andy right now.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Need too he did. I mean he was right on.
I mean he was he was right out with this
full investigation into the roommate within days of the assassination.
I mean, excellent piece on no comment on his substance.
I we'll go through it in a second, but you

(41:03):
want to watch a little bit more of this, go
for it, Okay. So if you're just tuning in with
Natalie Donna of the Dope and Deep Dives channel, old
friend of the channel, and we're watching this, I think
this is the DA's pre conference, the charging press conference

(41:24):
of Charlie Kirk, accused assassin.

Speaker 6 (41:28):
At Robinson's father. At Robinson's father's request, the family friend
met with Robinson and his parents and convinced Robinson to
turn himself in. The family friend spoke to police and
reported telling Robinson that it would be best if he
brought all evidence with him to the Sheriff's office to
avoid police having to search his parents' home. The friend

(41:54):
also asked Robinson if he had any clothes that were
related to what he did. Robinson replied that he had
disposed of the close in different areas the roommate. Police
interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved in
a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police that

(42:18):
the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting, and
he did provide those messages to police. On September tenth,
twenty twenty five, the roommate received a text message from
Robinson which said, drop what you're doing, look under my keyboard.

(42:38):
The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note
that stated quote, I had the opportunity to take out
Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it. Police found
a photograph of this note. The following exchange text exchange
then took place. After reading the note, themate responded, what

(43:02):
you're joking, right, Robinson? I am still okay, my love,
but I'm stuck in Orum for a little while longer
yet shouldn't be long until I can come home. But
I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest,
I had hoped to keep this secret till I died
of old age. I am sorry to involve you, roommate.

(43:26):
You weren't the one who did it, right Robinson? I am,
I am.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
I'm so these are these text messages that sound so stifled?
Grannedy is a weird guy. He's an odd guy. It
may be odd people. This is made. One reason why
it may sound so odd. But you just read the note.
Here's the chain of events. Right, you read the note
that I just am off to do this, you realize

(43:54):
that it's done. Obviously the roommate has been watching the
news and you're kidding, right, what you're kidding? That's your reaction.
You're kidding. Doesn't that seem put on? What do you think, Natalie.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
I honestly do not know what to make of any
of these text messages.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Or notes orve.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I, you know, to speculate, and this is just speculation.
I think they probably were all talking about it somewhere online,
you know, and maybe this wasn't so surprising, Like maybe
they really hated Charlie Kirk because they saw Charlie Kirk
as this person that was hateful of their lifestyle. But

(44:42):
that's also a fabrication of the media.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
When you watch.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Charlie Kirk's debates on campuses, he's very level with people.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
He doesn't disrespect people.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I didn't feel like Charlie Kirk was very hateful he
was just certain ideas that other people didn't agree with,
and we live in America, we should be able to
do that, right.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
So they take things on the surface and they never
ask why did he think that? You know, they bring
up his dislike of Martin Luther King Junior. But there's
certainly scholarship that doesn't put him in a good light.
You know, we've talked about that privately, I think, so

(45:30):
you know, people don't ask the reason. I mean, I
think you can say you can separate his work from
the person. And there's been lots of disappointing people who've
done great things or add great movements who've been privately disappointing.
Let's put it that way. So here's I don't know
if you saw this, Natalie, but there were in this

(45:52):
steam group. They were writing stuff. People who were in
this steam group with Robinson were writing things before Kirk's assassination,
like Charles James Kirk, mister College Rappite does not know
what's coming tomorrow, be ready.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, I did something right.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
From this steam group, which is the also what was
in this is the Steam group read this You're gay,
which is also what's on the bullets. So one of
the bullets.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
All of the bullet casing things. If your audience isn't aware,
are memes, all of them, every single one. It points
to a kid who is spending way too much time
on the internet.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Like I'm not.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Sure if you guys are aware of the furry meme.
This notices bulges OWO.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
What's this?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
That's an old meme from like twenty fourteen, and it's
actually kind of anti furry, so it's weird that he
would write it. And then you have the hay fascists
catch and you have those arrows. That's a command in
a video game that he would play to drop a bomb,
so it's sort of like a mic drop. That's how

(47:05):
I interpreted it. We already talked about the O Belichow thing,
and then I don't you know, if you read this,
you're gay. That's just like weird edge lord internet meme
culture to me. So that's just my comment.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Coincidentally, the name of a Steam private group that he
was in that where there seemed to be they said
they're looking at twenty plus people who could be considered accomplices. Yeah,
and I just I think this will be one of
these cases that will be if they bring charges, which

(47:44):
I don't think they will realistically, just just my sense.
Usually DA's like to bring overwhelming slam dunk cases, And
I think any case where someone's just on it were
and you're right, existed on the internet, so you're going
to just prove that someone new or someone was talking

(48:06):
about it, I don't know if you're going to get
a conviction there don't. I don't know. Maybe there's more evidence,
like I said before, the scope was given to him,
that's been going I don't that's at least a rumor.
I don't know if that's been confirmed. So if it's
someone on the internet who gave him that scope and
that could have probably that would be the best case.

(48:28):
I think something physical and tactile I was given to
aid this assassination could be considered. But the idea of
bringing fifteen or twenty people and accomplices charges, I know,
or accessory charges, I don't know. I think it's far
fetched as much as you know, well, they even just had.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Oh sorry, they even had the Luigi mangium. Did you
see like they dropped it down to what like manslaughter
or something.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
They dropped the two so we only have second degree
murder in New York. So I thought that that charge stood.
Am I wrong on that? I thought they just.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Dropped iron I don't know. That's all twitter stuff, right.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
I may be wrong. I may have to catch up
on it. But so we only have second degree murder
in New York. It has to be you have to
kill like a law enforcement officer, or you have to
or you have to kill a witness to get first
degree murder in New York. So they change that. So
everything's being changed. Sort of. You can still get a
pretty hefty sentence with a second degree charge, but things

(49:41):
have been changed. I believe in our sentencing. So they
woult to make our system more like Europe, where we
don't have these long sentences for murder anymore. You know,
you do twenty years and you're out. I mean, there's
people who are pushing to do to cap to get

(50:05):
rid of Fetterman. John Fetterman, who seems to be beloved
now by the Republicans, has been pushing to get rid
of life without parole for anybody anyone because he thinks
that killers are like your grandfather and like Morgan Friedman
in the Shawshank Redemption. That's literally what he said, it's

(50:26):
the most unbelievable interview, and this is before he was injured,
so you just like they would. They're pushing, you know,
they all think that these killers are just little guys
who got caught up in the system, and free them,
and it's inhumane to do more than twenty years. Meanwhile,
the victim's family is doing a life sentence of grief.

(50:49):
You know, they's there is no parole for them, so
let's continue on. I think these are the text messages.
I think are pretty fascinate.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
Roommate.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
I thought they caught the person Robinson. No, they grabbed
some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing.
I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop
point shortly after, but most of that side of town
got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out,
but there's one vehicle lingering. Roommate, Why Robinson? Why did

(51:28):
I do it? Roommate, Yeah, Robinson, I had enough of
his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I
am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have
left no evidence going to attempt to read.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
So it's not hateful to go and assassinate someone. Apparently,
if you don't agree with them, esn't sounds like he's
saying that hate speeches literally violent.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Well that's what they think. They think that words are
violence because I mean, I think it allows them to
distance themselves from any kind of like moral responsibility. And
as we've seen with the Luigi Mangione situation, you know,
he creates this a folk hero. Basically he's now a

(52:25):
folk hero to these people. And as long as you
murder the right person, then you're fine.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
It's sick if they have a job you just disagree with.
I know, I was on Instagram and there's this artist
who did a picture of Luigi Mangione like from the
bottom up, looking like sort of like you know, like
the Obama sort of you know, from the like great leader.
You know how Obama. That photograph was used for getting

(52:53):
the artists who did it, that was used in this campaign.
But this person had done a portrait of Luigi Mangioni
the chin up, you know, sort of looking forward into
the you know the great masses are great leader. And
the comments were mind blowing. I think there was like

(53:13):
for every one person who was disgusted by it, there
were about two thousand supportive comments that was wild, and
he's he got a huge bunch of support, you know,
Mark Agnefellow's wife and Mark Agnefello too, who represented Keith Rinari.

(53:37):
The Nexium Gururu is representing Luigi MANGIONI. I don't know
if you knew.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
That, Natalie, I think I did hear that.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Oh wow. I don't think he's a great lawyer, but
who knows. I mean, he wasn't great in representing Keith
Ranari's doing one hundred and twenty years.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yes, I don't know if this is such a good choice, Braham.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I thought he was completely ineffective in court and that
the moments that I saw. But we'll see, We'll see.
You know, Keith rna is really calling the shots in
that trial.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
I trieve it again.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about
them finding it. Roommate, how long have you been planning this, Robinson?
A bit over a week. I believe I can get
close to it, but there is a squad car parked
right by it. I think they already swept that spot,
but I don't want to chance it. Robinson again, I'm

(54:38):
wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon
as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my
old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle.
ID E k if it's had a serial number, but
it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince. I
had to leave it in a bush where I changed

(54:59):
out fits, didn't have the ability or time to bring
it with. I might have to abandon it and hope
they don't find Prince. How the f will I explain
losing it to my old man? Only thing I left
was the raffle. Was the rifle wrapped in a towel?

Speaker 3 (55:20):
I thought that was fascinating too. I don't know how
to explain I lost this rifle to my father. It's
like he's asking his roommate. I thought, is that roommate
a practice liar? Is he asking for advice? And what
a story to make up? And how he lost this rifle?

(55:41):
Seemed like it to me?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
It wasn't his grandfather's rifle too? Like it seems like
a family I.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Heard it was. Yeah, I heard it was a gift.
Does anyone know what they're worth? Those rifles? I don't
know anything. Isn't that also what shot jfk oh No,
that was a Concarno whatever Italian crappy.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
Yeah, never mind, remember how it was engraving bullets. The
fin messages are mostly a big meme. If I see
notice bulge UWU on Fox New, I might have a stroke.
All right, I'm gonna have to leave it. That really
Efen sucks. Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does

(56:30):
just fine. IDK, I think that was a two a
two K dollar scope. Wink wink Robinson, Robinson again, Delete
this exchange again, Robinson. My dad wants photos of the rifle,

(56:51):
he says. Grandpa wants to know who has what. The
Feds released a photo of the rifle and it is
very unique. He's calling me Rn not answering, Robinson. Since
Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard.
Maga Robinson. I'm going to turn myself in willingly. One

(57:14):
of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. Again,
you are all I worry about. Love that came from
Robinson roommate. I'm much more worried about you. Robinson. Don't
talk to the media. Please, don't take any interviews or
make any comments. If any police ask you questions, ask

(57:36):
for a lawyer, and stay silent. The search for Robinson's residence,
police executed a search warrant on Robinson's residence. During that search,
police discovered a shell casing with etchings like the etchings
found on the shells in the rifle near Uvu. Police
also found several target boards with bullethule in Robinson's home. Now,

(58:05):
as I stated in the beginning, when I read those albums.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
So those are target holes with bullets in his home.
That sounds like his parents' home. Correct.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
That's really confusing to me.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
And also what's confusing is when they said we brought
him in because we didn't want his parents' home to
have to be searched, so we told them to bring
in whatever he had. But he said he had already
disposed of the clothing where I don't know. That was
also never put out into the public domain. Where he
disposed of this clothing, he said in different places. So

(58:45):
it sounds like they did have to search his parents'
house anyway, because I or is it the roommate's house.
It's so confusing as to anyone knows definitively where he lived.
Let me know in the common section. But I've been
following everything I can on this and it's unclear. I mean,

(59:08):
his roommate's described as a roommate, but then he's also
described as living his parents' home, so I assume he
was bouncing back from place to place. What I can gather,
I don't know. I don't like to assume. Okay, this
goes on. It just sounds very staged, like a way

(59:32):
to give his roommate an alibi. The back and forth.
I mean, like twenty plus strangers know this was going
to happen, but not the roommate. Hard to believe, a
little hard to believe legations.

Speaker 6 (59:45):
These are allegations, and like the evidence set forth in
this statement, those allegations, what you've heard from the media,
even from state and federal officials, has not been tested
in the crucible of a jury trial.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
I read the roommate's parents own the home. You relate
to espouse of the roommate's home. Let me know if
you heard different.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
I understand the public's desire to know the facts. My
own family members have pressed me for information. Why are
we reluctant to share the details of the investigation itself
and comment on the case, Because I want to ensure
a fair and impartial trial. I became a prosecutor because

(01:00:43):
of my love for the ideals of this great country
and the principles embedded in our constitution. The free exchange
of ideas and opinions is critical to this great American experiment.
But so too are the protect afforded to the accused
found in the Fifth and sixth Amendments. The right against

(01:01:06):
self incrimination, the right to a speedy in public trial,
the right to the effective assistance of counsel, the right
to confront one's accusers, and the right to compel the
attendance of witnesses. And, perhaps most importantly, under our constitution,
the accused is presumed innocent until we, the state, prove

(01:01:30):
to an impartial jury of defendant's peers his guilt beyond
a reasonable doubt. That jury cannot rely on our allegations,
on what they hear in the news, or on what
they hear from a public official. The jury is the
sole trier of fact, and they will ultimately determine those

(01:01:54):
facts based on evidence a trial judge has determined is admissible. Again,
as prosecutors, we bear the burden to prove guilt beyond
a reasonable doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
So that's where I thought. I thought that it was
just a nice sentiment. At the end. There something you
don't hear very often. Here's why we're really holding information.
Believe in the system. He's got a right to a
fair trial. We're holding out hope. Here's also so to
go to Andy Know's article. You can find this at

(01:02:33):
his no comment his website. I said, substack. Excuse me,
this started as a substack. Now he has a website,
no comment, nngocomment dot com and this is his piece
unmasking Luna Charlie Kirk assassin suspect Lovers confirmed to be

(01:02:58):
trans lance. Twigs is his name. He's twenty two years old.
And there he is in his furry costume. He just
started taking and see the kind of a little bit
of the feminization of his face, taking hormones to look

(01:03:18):
like the opposite sex. On the video game platform Steam,
where Twigs is very active. Strangely, the same Steam that
has this group read this of you're gay. If you
read this, you're gay. That tend to have a lot
of people with forek knowledge of this crime. He used

(01:03:39):
the screen name flux told. According to source with knowledge,
I spoke with on condition of an emininity. The accounts
prior usernames match those on one of the twigs. TikTok
profiled Lance plottal or Lance a Lot, which displays his
face picture that's been In December twenty twenty four, Twigs

(01:04:06):
changes prefer display name on Steam from Lance de Luna.
A search of Reddit for user names connected to his
Steam user name history revealed a match user Lancelot three
with the display display named lux. Biographical details on the
Reddit account lineup with Twigs. This account was highly active

(01:04:30):
on the four trans subreddit. In November twenty twenty four,
Twigs posted about his anxiety with injecting cross sex hormones.
Replying to a thread on injection pain, he wrote, seriously,
sometimes it's just muscle memory. Sometimes I gotta get buzzed
on something, so I'm not too anxious about it. Around

(01:04:52):
the same time, he responded to a now deleted post
lamenting about the re election win of Donald Trump and
what it meant for transient gender people. Quote. Trump winning
has motivated me to finally fix my life. I won't
let the idiot sis expletive who want me to be

(01:05:18):
miserable win. I'll be independent, fit happy in trans and
they can't stop me. Twigs responded, honestly, same, I realized
after a bit of dooming that even if I was
overall hiding from the public now, my life socially won't
really change, which was more depressant depressing than any election. Lol.

(01:05:38):
So working on that as my New Year's resolution. So
there's the furry. Twiggs has Instagram has a locked Instagram
account that features a cartoon of a female Garfield furry.
The New York Times reported that Robin and Discords Avatar

(01:06:02):
was of the human owner of Garfield. Twiggs raised in
a devout Mormon family, but said he left the faith.
On the ex Christian subreddit, he claimed he was expelled
from his family home after refusing spiritual help, but the
place he has lived with with Robinson was owned by

(01:06:27):
his parents. So here at a press conference, okay, here
we can listen to Cash betel on Kirk's murder.

Speaker 9 (01:06:41):
Ritt that we believe what did exist and we have
evidence to show what was in that note, which is
and I'm going to summarize basically saying I this suspect
wrote Otte saying I have the opportunity to take out
Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it that note
was written before the shooting. Evidence of it existence, we
now have learned existed before the shooting was in the

(01:07:03):
location in the suspect and partner's home. But we have
since learned that the note, even though it has been destroyed,
we have found forensic evidence of the note and we
have confirmed what that note says because of our aggressive
interview posture at the FBI.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
So they have a picture of the note. But he
told so Robinson told Twigs to get rid of the note,
and he did apparently, and that's why he's charged with
a witness temporary or intimidation. So remember how I was

(01:07:49):
engraving bullets. So andy note says delete this exchange. Robinson says,
my dad wants photos of the rifle. He says, Grandpa
wants to know who has what. The FEDS released a
photo of the rifle. And it's very unique, which is
my pet, Peeve, very unique unique me, it's one of

(01:08:13):
a kind. Can't be very But okay, he's calling me
right now, not answering. So, I mean it's a long article.
I encourage you to read it. Matt Gutman, here's Matt
Gutman from and people who followed my Karen Reid coverage.
Remember Matt Gutman's gaslighting coverage of Karen Reid and the

(01:08:35):
way he treated her, never pushing back very hard with
Karen Reid. Now he's swooning over the text messages of
a alleged killer.

Speaker 10 (01:08:47):
Robinson here an alleged murder with such specific text messages
about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how
it was placed, what was on it. But also it
was very touching in a way that I think many
of us didn't expect, a very intimate portrait into this
relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself, with.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Him very touching when he's talking about almost one hundred
percent of the time how he can get away with
the crime and worrying about covering his tracks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah, I saw this guy like, oh yes, I was like,
let's feel bad for these It's that narrative right where
they want us to feel so bad for these.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
People, right never never the victims family, I mean Charlie Kirk,
I mean they said, well, his message was terrible, is
you know, if you didn't agree with his politics, it
seems like they want to they want to justify this somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Yeah, And I mean what happened was a man who
believed in free speech was shot on a college campus
in front of his wife and children.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
That's what happened. So I don't feel bad for this
kid at all. I mean you can say all sorts
of things, like his frontal lobe is not fully formed,
like because he's on the kid and the brain.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Over claim syndrome, brain overclaimed syndrome. I mean, yes, your
brain isn't fully born, but they love to push that
to the max of an excuse. Yeah, for any kind
I mean, strangely, we have tons of people that age
not committing violence with unformed, fully formed brains.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Right, Yeah, it's sick. I saw this guy. What is this?

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
ABC, CBS Matt Guttman.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Yeah, and I was just, oh, it's the classic, like, uh,
let's feel bad for this killer kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
So I'm winding down with what I have. Is there
anything else?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
I guess there's also I just thought that the was
there anything on that Fox story that was particularly that
you want to need it? It was particularly more in
depth than.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
What Oh no, I just I think some people what's
upsetting to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Me, Like my thoughts on this is that, uh, you know,
I'm a teacher and I have like eleven year old
kids who saw this video of Charlie Kirk, and you know,
they were all talking about it at school, and you know,
this might be an unpopular opinion, but like, I feel

(01:11:32):
like these platforms, this is sort of just a tangent,
but like these platforms have to do something where I mean,
I didn't want to see that video. I'm like sitting
here scrawling and this is one of the things I
see and I'm like it. I think it's collectively traumatizing
an entire populace right now, and the reactions to it

(01:11:53):
on I mean, the so called left or whatever they are,
are equally as appalling. But like, maybe we need some
censorship on these platforms, or at least a warning, like
like a blurred out thing like this this post is
going to contain a violent image, like I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Would appreciated that. I told my boyfriend said I want
to see it. I said, are you sure you want
to see it? Because I saw it just as you
did scrolling. I wish it. Yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
And I also instantly knew that he was it was done,
I was like, oh god, you know he's.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Actually I have one more thing I wanted to share
with my audience and you, which is an a short
interview I thought was with Andy Know, who's been following
Antipas since the beginning, wrote literally wrote the book on
Antipho seems to be the only journalist who is following them,

(01:12:53):
and we know that he was radicalized by this ideology.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
They for one of their concrete milkshakes at him.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Right and gave him permanent brain damage from it that
you know, you could see it was really luckily the
brain is somewhat elastic, but really struggling in their early interviews.
So here here's his interview about it, and just about
the coverage of this story. And you know, we have

(01:13:25):
people like I believe Jimmy Kimmel came out and said
this was a right wing guy because his parents were
right wing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Oh, there's an entire there's definitely at least I mean,
I think they're a myriad of realities.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Depending on what you're looking at on the internet, they're
at least now two realities. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
We have the people who watch the mainstream media, the TV.
They believe everything these stupid comedians say, and then we
have the actual reality.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Maybe three right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Actual reality, right reality, left ring wing reality.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
It's just wild to me that they can go on
TV and like make this crap up because they were
trying to say he was a groper, right, they were
trying to say he was like a Nick Fuentes fan.
If people in your audience don't know what that is,
like God, bless you, Thank goodness, you don't know, Like
you don't want to know these things. I don't want
to know these things anymore. I wish I didn't. I

(01:14:24):
have like a preferse fascination with this stuff. But so
they were saying, yeah, like he's a groper, he's the
right wing, And I guess my other point is like
maybe it's a mistake to even try to pin a
specific ideology on this where we're in this sort of
post modern world now where words have no meaning and

(01:14:45):
these ideologies have been watered down. As everyone's saying in
the chat, these anti fascists are actually fascists, right, Like
it's just at this point, maybe it's just sheer nihilism
with like a flavor of like liberalism or leftism.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
I consider myself a classical liberal, and I'm like horrified
by these people.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
So yeah, it's it's it's horrifying. And then and then
I was I was listening. I guess I was. I
just like it was very quickly on something on the Emmys.
I mean, ever since the Emmys stood up and gave
a standing evasion to the Central Park five. You know,
I refuse, I don't even want to watch coverage of

(01:15:29):
the Emmys. But somehow I just heard a little bit
about how Stephen Colbert's show was losing. It was something like,
forgive me, because this is just for my memory, something
like sixty million dollars a year. I mean, how did
that show go on for so long? I mean that
you know, show you that it was just useful as
a propaganda Uh, it was that was pure propaganda. Then

(01:15:53):
what else is it? I mean, the whole point of
creating a TV show is to make money. What's the
point of having it? I mean, except it was like
a arm of the Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
No, yeah, I'd have to agree. I really miss when
comedians were funny, and I miss I miss not knowing
anything about celebrities in their opinions.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
I don't want to I don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Let me just watch the movie and not know what
you think about anything? Should just like push them in
a closet. I don't know who's telling them to do
this too. It's like, no one wants to hear what
you have to say about this or I mean, I
guess some people do, but I'd rather just watch a
movie pleasantly ignorant of their opinions on things.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Someone said it was forty million in the chat.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Uh oh, Jimo Kimmel is pulled off the air because
it is indefinitely because of his Oh it's Charlie, my boyfriend. Oh,
I didn't know that is pulled off the air. Jimmy
Kimmel has pulled off the air indefinitely for his Charlie
Kirk comments. I'll research that as Let's watch what Andy

(01:17:12):
has to say in them. Well, I'll get up to
speed and I'll share what that's all about.

Speaker 11 (01:17:19):
Andy know is a post millennial reporter.

Speaker 5 (01:17:21):
Andy.

Speaker 11 (01:17:22):
No one understands the dark underbelly of some of these
dastardly left wing hate groups than you. What can you
tell us about how they run and what needs to
be done?

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
What needs to be done?

Speaker 8 (01:17:35):
Is there propaganda and lies has to be exposed. I
think I hope that it's been eye opening for the
public to see the bloodlusts that exists not just on
the French left obviously, but also on the mainstream left
in the aftermath of this assassination. It is a cancer

(01:17:56):
that exists on the left and its mainstream, and there's
some data to back that up. Just overnight, a miro
for Charlie Cook in Pensacola, Florida was vandalized with Antifah
propaganda on it, and some of the messages that left
on it were the exact messages from what was engraved
on the rifle cartridges that were used in the attack.

(01:18:19):
So this is the mindset we're dealing with. It is
I will call it a death called it. They worship death,
they want their targets killed, and they've been supported by
a huge apparatus. I'm not just talking about the Black
Block militants who are on the streets as acting as thugs,
carrying out us and attacks and assaulting people. I'm talking

(01:18:41):
about politicians who spread their propaganda and lies, NGOs, nonprofit groups,
elected officials, and many in the Democrat Party, and of
course many journalists. We've seen many, many discussing lies spread
in the last few days in the eral media suggesting
somehow that this accused gunman was a far right Christian

(01:19:05):
nationalist inspired by Maga.

Speaker 11 (01:19:08):
Yeah, there's a big disinformation campaign.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Okay. So speaking of that disinformation campaign, that's exactly why
Jimmy Kimo got pulled for making remarks like that. So
here the Network Action just came out and pulled it indefinitely.
Kimmel's original comments were as followed, quote, We've hit some

(01:19:36):
new lows over the weekend with the Maga gang desperately
trying to characterize this kid, this kid in this twenties.
It's like the Menindez Brothers, the boys, this kid who
murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them
in doing everything they can to score political points from it.

(01:19:59):
I mean, do you feel that anyone scored political points?
I think Andy Knows's point in this is like, can
we just have some acknowledgment and not a whitewashing of
when there is political violence from this side of the fence,
Now that's what I hear.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
I mean, yeah, I think it would it would be
great if we could actually just face reality for what
it is, and these people wouldn't put there, so he's
actually been let go. I guess the law the lawyers
probably were like, oh no, that's what I feel like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Probably happened because Trump says he's going to prosecute I
mean this, prosecute this kind of I don't know through
the FCC. I'm curious about the legal angle of that,
how that works exactly, because I certainly doesn't seem to

(01:21:01):
matter what you say about in true crime, the true
crime or mainstream media. It's true crime reporting is so inaccurate,
so wildly inaccurate. It would be great to see some
kind of accountability for that, but that seems to never come.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Maybe the lawyers that you know, what is it NBC,
I don't know what channel he's on. Maybe they are
just actually really good lawyers. And the legal team was like,
I don't think this is great for us, but he's
at this a lot more money to be lost.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Coincidentally, is at the same outfit as Matt Gootman and ABC. Okay,
this is a very short interview. Let's just try to
watch the rest of it. We got a minute left.
I thought it was pretty it's the same thing.

Speaker 11 (01:21:51):
The legacy media to both sides the issue and raise
questions about this assassin's left wing credentials. But we've exposed
and debunked it, and no one's paying attention to these
people anymore. The trans movement, that movement, some of it
has gone underground and has become fiercely militaristic.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
What needs to be done there?

Speaker 11 (01:22:17):
What can you tell us about that?

Speaker 8 (01:22:19):
So it's all this five years ago in Portland when
a disproportionate number of the anti FHRA riot arrestues were
somehow so called gender diverse, non trans, trans or non binary,
something like that, And they don't hide their extremism. If
you go to any of their rallies. You look at
the activist groups and the type of plot cards and
signs and chants that they say. They threaten to kill

(01:22:43):
people if their agenda is not followed through, and they are.
They have this perception and they say it that there's
a transgenocide going on. So when you have this lie
that's been mainstreamed by transactivists, coupled with the fact that
there is the disproportionate amount of mental health common abilities

(01:23:04):
and many of them are sociopathic, you have this explosive
situation potentially of like what happened here and unfortunately has
happened other times in recent years.

Speaker 11 (01:23:14):
Yeah, probably not a good idea to tell isolated and mentally.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
I mean, we never have a discussion of psychopathy. He's
using the word sociopath potato patata, but we never have
a full discussion of it. Thank you Jennifer Ray for
bringing air Drive for bringing it up. I appreciate it
in the chat. The Jimmy Kimmel stuff, I didn't know
about it, But we never get any kind of discussion.

(01:23:44):
Like we certainly see it in through crime community. A
lot of dark and disordered people wandering around very much
on display. And the Karen Reid people with Karen Reid
case supporters, many of them with personality disorders. Many killer

(01:24:04):
supporters have dark personalities or personality disorders. So that was
Andy Know's so final wrap up comments. I think we've
done it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Natalie, Yeah, I think if anyone's interested. Also, like, there's
a whole chapter in Salt Lake City, Utah called Armed Queers,
and that's something that like I've seen on Twitter where
you know, they're these sort of violent leftists who believe

(01:24:39):
that violence is the only answer, and they have to
arm themselves, I mean with the Trans stuff. For me,
it's kind of speculation at this point. But if there's
an entire group of people on the left who think
that words are violence and that it's justified to do
violence against words, you know, we have a problem. And

(01:24:59):
the call is like coming from inside the house, you know.
And I'm very worried about America and its future, and
this whole thing was just so shocking for me, but
also not at the same time, because they've been if
it is indeed, like you know, I'm hesitant to be
like trans, but if it is, they've been. Their rhetoric

(01:25:22):
has been violent, you know, as someone who's spoken out
against it myself in public, their rhetoric has been violent
for over.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
A decade now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
They had t shirts with guns on them, you know,
that say things like protect trans kids because they truly
believe that there's some kind of genocide against them. I mean, again,
these words don't mean it, Like, what do you mean
a genocide? It's just yeah, it's shocking and upsetting, and

(01:25:51):
I think if anyone believes in a higher power in
the chat, they should pray for Andy. No, for sure,
because I think he definitely is a target on his back,
and we shouldn't live in a country where you can't
disagree with people in public.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
That's I guess those are my final thoughts, right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Yeah, so I grew up with radical leftists. We'd get
harassing calls in the middle of the night, and you know,
my father was always very good with them and say,
you know, this is the most American thing we can
do is disagree. You know, our tires would be punctured.
But this is like, you know, we've both been on

(01:26:29):
this fight early or since early on. Yeah, sometimes together
in person where you know, we were women raising the
alarm saying, you know, we fought really hard to have
a right to safety and privacy. And if you allow
men into spaces where women are vulnerable and to women's spaces,

(01:26:52):
or get rid of sex divided spaces altogether, or get
rid of or invitement into women's sports where it's this
is going to be a danger to women, or if
you even just change the definition of women legally to
include men, the women cease to exist. So these early

(01:27:15):
meetings that we went to sometimes you know it couldn't
be announced publicly.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Yes, they were like secret meetings.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Right, and the rally that I went to that I
referenced in the beginning of this episode that brought me
face to face with Antiva. It was the let women
speak rally in front of the in front of like,
you know, the main building in New York, our main

(01:27:45):
legal building. I don't know, it's escaping me. The word
city Hall. There you go, city city Hall in New York.
You had just been to the Philadelphia one that went
off without a hitch, so I was totally shut down.
We couldn't speak, women were not allowed to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Yeah, that one was just over like before it even started.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Right, I mean, maybe I can just show up bit
to just sort of give you an idea. I was
followed and spit on. It was just a really they
take your their bullhorns and put them up against your
ear and try to deafen you with fascists. Go home, turf,

(01:28:30):
go home.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Oh yeah, they're screaming with horrible things, horrible things that
you It's I don't know how, So there's I don't
know if your audience is familiar with Kelly and her
work over there in the UK, but I don't know
how she does that all the time. I did it
one time and I felt like I was going to
throw up, so.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Right, these people are scary, absolutely, And then we were
called far right trans advocate tried. It was called by
the AM New York Trans Advocates battle far right protesters.
So what happened was were supposed to meet in front
of City Hall. I arrived ten minutes early, and Antifa

(01:29:16):
had arrived beforehand, flooded the streets and women were not
allowed to Kelly J. Keen Mitchell was not even allowed
to tend to her get into her own event. So
they had a few women behind a barricade and I
asked one police officer very nicely, then I asked another one.
They said, we can't let you behind the barricade. So

(01:29:36):
I'm out with Antifah. And so the police were basically
given instructions to shut this down before it even happened.
Here is some shots of it, so that is Antifa

(01:29:58):
being pushed pushing up against the police. Also, let me
see I can find even like a a better work.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
In Philadelphia they had them all blocked off.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
So in Philadelphia they did that near the Liberty Bell
which is like a huge plaza. And I was there
painfully early, so I kind of saw everything like being
set up, and we were like in this sort of
like closed off square. But what had happened in Philadelphia,
which was scary, was they followed us while we were

(01:30:36):
talking about meeting up afterwards. Right, we did our thing,
we set our speeches, and meanwhile they're screaming, you know,
death to us kind of thing. We're like, I mean
ten women were there, maybe tops, And so what happened
was someone had followed us and they figured out where

(01:30:56):
they were going to meet up afterwards, like they were
going to meet up at this.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
I just wanted the visual while this is people could
get us sense.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Yeah, this is what was happening. But in Philadelphia it
was a lot less. There's a smaller group, let's say
in Philly, the smaller group of people, and it was
a lot more contained, and the whole the National Park Service,
because it was on a National Park ground, was there
also with us, and so I think it was a
lot better for us in Philly. But they followed us

(01:31:30):
to a bar and then the bar wouldn't serve I
was actually sitting outside because I had walked over there,
but the bar wouldn't serve. Kelly and the rest of
the people, and I saw them get kicked out of
the bar. I was like waiting across the street because
I didn't know where they were actually going to end up.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
But that's how scary these people are.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
They'll stop you, they'll follow you, and you know, they'll
disrupt anything that you have to say, even if it's like, hey,
we don't want you to give hormones to children.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
It's crazy, right, and so they so someone brought her
flute and there's you know, so it's not just men
and men who identify as women, it's also women who
are you know, in Antifa. Ah they so you see
one woman here pushing up against the police, with the
police against the barricades. They'd spit on the police that

(01:32:23):
they uh, they're really So when when this came out
that Charlie Kirk was shot, I had a feeling that
it might be connected to this group right away because
they're just so you get the feeling of such violence
and such danger when you're around them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
I was just coming off of researching the Minneapolis shooters,
so it was sort of like, Okay, here we go again,
Like same demo, same the bullets, the writing. Everything to
them is like a meme, it's I are I don't
know what's happening, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Just try to say what kind of Yeah, I mean,
they can't really say what kind of rights they don't have.
They can use the bathroom just you know, in New York,
they can use any bathroom they want, you know, in
many places all over the country, they're totally invited into
women's spaces, often invited into women's sports. They can't say

(01:33:28):
what exactly rights that they don't have. They're so protected legally.
I don't know if it's an odd it seems like
they just want the total annihilation of anything that of
anything that women have to protect themselves and children, you know, agreed, Yeah,

(01:33:54):
So I don't know. Will there be a media blackout?
I don't know. You're so right. It depends on what
news you're looking at, and so we have, you know,
to so if you have like a left wing friend,
they're watching one set of news, and a right wing
fread they're watching it totally their idea of what's going
on in the world is totally totally different. And this

(01:34:17):
was certainly not the case years and years ago. Growing up,
we had we could always say there was a bias,
but it was a lot less. It was. It was
you know, pointedly and I, you know, not trying not
to be political or biased, at least trying not to be.

(01:34:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Yeah, they don't even try anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
We have The New York Times, which I think is
the most egregious of all of them. Was it They
just published a tin ashy Coats thing about this.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Where it was blaming the.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Uh. I thought I had it open somewhere. I could
have sweared I had this open. But basically, you know,
again like making this out to be some kind of
right wing situation or whatever. It's just and we've elevated
these people who are I think terrible writers also, So

(01:35:22):
I don't know, I don't know. I don't I don't
have anything else to say, though I've been looking at this.
I was it was horrible to see that. It really
upset me just because of things I've done in the
past where it's like, wait, so if I decided I
wanted to like go speak about this like, I'd have
a target on my back. That's why I'm like fairly

(01:35:42):
anonymous on the internet, because I don't, you know, I
don't need to have that extra like weirdness in my
life where and we but we should be able to
go talk about things.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
It's just it makes me sad overall. I feel sad
for his family.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Yeah, very sad. I mean it's the same you know
thing I've been talking about since the beginning of my channel.
The press, I mean, the New York Times is some
you know, propping up killers, putting out there pushing their
innocence fraud. Uh all right, all right, I think this
is a this is the bad news welcome to Thank
you for listening to the bad news, depressing, depressing, true

(01:36:26):
cry report today. It's not always like this, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
Did see some I did see some so called leftists
say that they were shocked by the other people that
were like basically grave dancing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
So maybe maybe this is a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
It's a polarizing moment, but maybe it's going to be
polarizing in a.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Not a bad way. That's what I'll try to stay positive.

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
And also people are going to church on masts. They
say churches are really getting filled. I mean there's some
positive so things coming out of this. All right, all right,
thanks Natalie.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Thanks for having me on by.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Uh you want to say where people can find you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Oh, it's Dystopian deep Dives. It's on YouTube. I don't
really make my podcast anymore, and I've been kind of
I've just been reading books about Nazis. That's what I've
been doing. Uh, But I also have I've told you
about this, and I guess I'll tell your audience. I'm
trying to create a video which is called Mimetic Murder,

(01:37:33):
and it's about how murder has become a meme. And
it's sort of the genesis of this starts with like
you have kind of a few angles you can go with,
but you have like Luigi Mangion who has become the
folk hero, like I said, and then you have these
other killers who get into these chat rooms and idolize
other mass shooters. And if you know what the patterns

(01:37:55):
are like for example, the Minneapolis shooter, which was what
just too weeks ago, he was really interested, he was
trans he was interested in the band KMFDM, which is
a telltale sign for the Columbine Boys also really liked them.
So we have an interesting situation in the United States

(01:38:17):
right now domestic terrorism where these murderers, first of all,
they don't think it's I guess like most of them
want to commit suicide by cop. But it's a meme.
They're mimicking each other and it's pretty scary. But that's
what I'm working on.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
That's fascinating. I'll be sure to be Is it a
video or is it?

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
It will be?

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Yeah, I'm just writing it. I just keep writing it
because these things keep happening, just like this is never ending.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
So true. True, you're not You have a wealth of information.
I'll try to send you. I'll try to send you
the thing. I was explaining that on Instagram on Luigi
Mangioni TI privately. Thank you so much everyone for listening.
Thank you Natalie Donna Dystopian Deep Dives. Check out her
channel on YouTube. Please support the channel. I'm sure that

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Thanks so much for listening. Have a great night everyone.
I'll be back tomorrow at six pm Eastern.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
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