The Pathological Lying of Karen Read.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, just to be clear, you didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
You all know if John was beaten up and attacked
in that house.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Who did it?

Speaker 4 (00:13):
We don't know.

Speaker 5 (00:13):
We don't know.

Speaker 6 (00:15):
We don't know, and it's not for us to know.

Speaker 7 (00:18):
Somebody other than Karen, somebody other than Karen is responsible
for that for the killing of John.

Speaker 8 (00:34):
You are listening to the ROBERTA. Glass True Crime report
putting the true back in true crime from New York City. ROBERTA.
Glass is now on the record.

Speaker 6 (01:13):
Hello, Okay, here we go, Hello Jill, Hello truth and justice.
Alo Monica he loa Dean Walker just as chickens. Let's
talk about Karen Reid and our pathological lying. This should
be the refrain of anti Karen Reid. Everywhere is Karen

(01:38):
Reid's pathological lying. You just saw it in the opening.
We all know who did it. We all know, No,
we don't know. We don't know who did it. There's
a good example of some of her eyebrow raising and
contradictory statements. So many of them were on display in

(02:02):
her retrial. Her contradictory and self incriminating statements. But this
should be the phrase of every anti I Karen Reid,
the refrain, let's win the civil trial. Let's get these
witnesses together, and let us all come together and have

(02:24):
and make sure that their testimony, that they give the
best depositions possible, the best testimony possible, and take matters
into their own hands. Instead. What we have is a
refrain from this side that the Feds are coming. The

(02:46):
Feds are coming. The Feds are coming. And like I said,
I think it's a nothing burger. And if I'm wrong
that it's it's not a nothing burger. There is nothing
that we can do about it. Wishing, hoping, praying that

(03:06):
it will come is not going to make it come.
And if it does come, which I don't think is likely,
I think that Jessica Leslie has been made an example of.
And if you don't know what I'm talking about, of course,
I'm talking about the grand duror who sat on the
Karen Reid trial. That she has been given a sweetheart

(03:29):
deal with the Feds. It's not so sweetheart. I hear
she's lost her social work job for sharing grand jury information,
maybe connected to the CDL meaning commercial driver's license scandal,
or it may be connected to Karen Reid. Either way,

(03:51):
the evidence that the Feds are coming for Karen Reid
and Aiden Carney because the real crime here is sharing
secret grand jury testimony, not receiving it. If they are coming,

(04:11):
I don't think so. I don't think they are. But
should I be wrong about this? It's nothing that's going
to change anything concerning the civil trial and getting justice
for John o'keef. It's not a substitute. So I wanted

(04:32):
to look at Kate Peter has a new video out
about it. She's determined that the feds are coming, although
she does put a question mark. The title of her
video is the Feds are coming for Karen Reid and
Turtle Boy. We're going to look at that today. Also,

(04:52):
some interesting leaks out of Free Karen Reid. Could there
be a could I guess I'll just say it out loud.
There are allegations that Karen Reid receiving cash every morning,

(05:18):
They were throwing cash in her car from Free Karen Reid.
Is that true? Is this ever going to be investigated?
You know the point of all this possible illegality in
Free Karen Reid would be hugely unpopular to go after,

(05:39):
you know. This is one of the reasons I don't
think the FEDS are going to do anything. First of all,
they're never going to attack Karen Reid's lawyers, and the
lawyers are always going to protect themselves from wrongdoing in
this case, even though that we know that they were
leaking or at you know, leaking information asking journalists not

(06:01):
to share information until they leaked it in a filing
emotion so to make it look like they that this
journalist got it from, meaning Gretchen Voss, who wrote about
this case in a very way favorable to Karen Reid initially,

(06:24):
she's another real snake in the grass and this whole story.
She's also one of the people who got a bunch
of the witnesses in this case signed up, including the
Oke family, to the Netflix documentary, which again I think
is going to be a big flop, and I don't
think it's going to be enough to change the narrative

(06:47):
of this case. The best option left is winning this
civil trial, and the way it's going now, it's looking
like Karen Reid is gearing up for it, and very
interesting turn of events that Judge CONNONI has moved off
of criminal cases onto civil cases. Judge Canoni could possibly

(07:11):
sit on the civil I mean, can we think of
a worse judge on the civil trial in this case?
So let me share so I mean, witnesses, get your
evidence together, is my message? And will we see any

(07:37):
of the real evidence because in this case, in the
civil great case, Karen Reid cannot claim the fifth. She's
already been prosecuted criminally. So I don't know how easy
it will be for her to claim take the fifth
in this case. And if she does, it's going to

(07:59):
look awfully if she takes the fifth on every single
question that's going to be I don't think yours are
going to like that. And how is she going to
answer some of these questions? When if the theme for
they'll keep civil trial lawyers should be Karen Reid is
a pathological liar, an emotional manipulator, an emotional abuser. But

(08:24):
if they go with the same theme that the stupid
theme that the state went with was that she was
so jealous that even Karen Reid herself put out the
idea that, oh, yeah, I'm really jealous. I mean that
will tell you yourself that I mean that will tell
you in itself that that was useful for Karen Reid,
the fact that she used that. There's no evidence that

(08:47):
she cared about Bella's mom or anything else. She found
out about that through evidence. There's no evidence that she
heard it over her phone lines or John o'keef's phone
was playing through her stereo system. There's no evidence of that.
And I'll walk back on that if I'm wrong, if
there's some if someone gives testimony that like it would

(09:11):
have to be Karen Reid that John o'keef's phone was
playing and that she heard Bella's mom mentioned and it
just set her off. I just don't believe it. Karen
Reid used tactics of emotional manipulation that included gaslighting, isolation.

(09:35):
We know that John o'keef always had a Christmas pre
Christmas party at his house, and that before he was
telling his friends not to come because Karen was worried
about her parents getting affected with COVID. It would only
be the family that year. The year before she murdered him,

(09:55):
she was isolating him from his friends and his friends
his family could come.

Speaker 9 (10:02):
Well.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
She went to the Bruins game without a mask, went
to pubs without a mask. She didn't care about that,
but just to keep John O'Keeffe's close friends away from
the pre Christmas party at his house, thing that they
always enjoyed. So that's and she controlled his life. She

(10:28):
never left him alone for a minute. If you look
at the pattern of text messages, he said, stop calling,
stop texting me, I I'm off to the doctors. My
dad's here, And it didn't stop her. She never respected
his boundaries, his space. She and when she also changed

(10:54):
the subject and pointed the finger at John O'Keefe when
he put the finger on her, Oh, you know, I'm
having a hard time. She played the victim. So when
he would say like, look, I'm not into fighting all
the time, she's like, well, things have been hard for me.
Things have been hard for me. It's really hard for me.

(11:15):
And we know that she also has a pattern. Maybe
in this civil deposition she can answer questions about all
her illnesses, her brain tumor John O'Keefe's. She seems to
have illnesses that affect the loved ones of the people
around her. So she says she has MS. John O'Keeffe's

(11:40):
good friend Jen McCabe has MS. Right brain tumor. John
O'Keefe's sister died of a brain tumor, Brian Higgins. She said,
I've been I've had what was it ten twelve surgeries
for colon cancer when Brian Higgins's father died of colon cancer.

(12:03):
Where her illnesses start and end, if they exist at all?
We never saw her sick, not one day during the trial.
We saw her look tired, but never ill. Would be
a good route for a civil attorney to ask questions about. Also,
another good thing for them to ask about is this plumber,

(12:28):
Richie the plumber. Does anybody remember Richie the plumber her tail?
So the last hour and ten minutes, John O'Keeffe and
Karen Reid were talking about this plumber, Richie, that she
had over to fix her hot water issue. Now we
don't know if Richie really exists, if he was ever

(12:50):
called texted, And that made John o'keeff mad because his
dad is a plumber and he could have fixed it
for free. And we saw in the trial early on
in the trial Michael Camerano bringing this up. Let's take
a let's take a listen.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Anything was wrong between Karen and John. Correctly, no, everything
seemed fine between the two of them. Right, yes, he
did mention all that night that there was he was,
he was just he was didn't.

Speaker 10 (13:25):
Understand why Karen had a plumber go to the house.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Because he had somebody that could have done that work
instead of paying for the plumber.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
Right, yes, yes, Why doesn't he say yes, his father, Yes,
his father him, his father would have done it for free.
And this plumber and the things. The way innocence fraud works,
the narratives that are ghosted are usually the important narratives

(13:58):
for the killer to hide. Why would it be important
for Karen to hide this plumber because it shows her
to be a real pathological liar that we know she is.
It's not like we don't have other instances of Karen
Reid lying I saw him go in the house through

(14:20):
the front door, through the side door. I didn't do
a three point turn. I did do a three point turn.
So are they gonna talk about are they gonna ask
questions in this civil case about this plumber? Good question?
Is this fraud? Watch wants to know? She says contrary

(14:43):
to evidence during a pre recorded Unsolved Productions TV show
entitled Ridiculously Disgustingly titled I'd say a body in the snow.
The Karen Reid Trial. Karen Reid said the following about Friday,
January twe twenty eight, twenty twenty two, I realized I
didn't want to be shut in here with the snow.

(15:07):
No John O'Keeffe was saying that to her. It's like, Karen,
no one's going anywhere. She said, the plumber's coming back tomorrow.
It's like, no one's going anywhere. You know, plumber's not
coming back tomorrow. He's going to home depot for a part.
But Karen Reid allegedly had a five pm appointment with

(15:27):
a Mansfield plumber called Richie due to what she referred
to to deal with her what she referred to as
her hot water issues. I'm having issues with my hot water,
so I had to text someone to take a look.
I have always told you I will, and this guy

(15:51):
Ritchie fixed it the last time. Apparently, according to Karen,
rich even put in some flourishes that he always puts
on the toilet seats crooked when he finished his work.
I've always told you I will not put either of
you out of your way the way everyone else in
your life does. I know it wasn't working right when
you left, when you were at the doctors with Cayley

(16:15):
and I have neither of you could get here, and
the guy Richie fixed it last time, whatever it was,
he was supposed to be here. At five Contrary to
the evidence, Karen Reid also stated, I'd rather be up
there with John and the kids and doing something fun,
and we always had fun on the weekends. Contrary to that,
she was telling John o'keef and those text messages written

(16:39):
on the last day of his life, that the four
that the kids made them toxic, that the four of
them together were toxic. That Karen read and John O'Keeffe
weren't toxic, but once you added the kids, the kids
made things toxic. Great question for a civil lawyer too,
Why did the kids make things talks? But at three

(17:01):
oh four, twenty four, Karen Reid also stated to John
O'Keeffe about his kids, I am paranoid now. I am
paranoid now that everything I do with him is problematic, problematic,

(17:21):
So rather see you for a minute without it kids around,
And at five oh six, Karen Reid said, the four
of us, Oh, this is what I just referred to
I don't want to keep having this constant conflict of
the dynamic. Karen says, this constant conflict of the dynamic
of the four of us. Rather just meet you out

(17:42):
for drinks when you figure out what your knight might
look at like. Then at six at eight thirty three sixteen,
Karen Reid had message John O'Keefe. She says, I think
the four of us together is toxic to this relationship.
Would like to limit it. I mean, how do you

(18:03):
think John O'Keeffe took to hearing that his kids made
their relationship toxic. Not too well. He had a very
tight relationship with Caylee and Patrick. William Reid call and
then she said that that she talked to her dad.

(18:25):
Either I called my father or he called me at
six o'clock and he said, how is your day? What
are you up to? And I told him what happened?
And I hated complaining about John to my parents because
they liked him a lot. And my father just said
gently to me, Karen, why don't you stay home tonight
it's gonna snow. But I didn't. Dad. If I had
listened to you, none of this would have happened. I

(18:48):
wouldn't have had to run over John O'Keeffe going twenty
four miles an hour and reverse my foot seventy four
point five percent down on the gas pedal and then
left him to die alone in a blizzard. Karen Reid
told John o'keef that Richie had gone to home depot
and he would probably return manyana. Why were there no

(19:10):
calls from Karen Reid to her plumber or on January
twenty ninth, twenty twenty two. Did Karen Reid text her
plumber to reschedule instead of calling him like she alleged
to John o'keef she had done the day before. Did
Karen Reied tell her father, William Reid, her mother or
Janet read about her alleged issues with her hot water

(19:34):
on January twenty eighth. By the time Karen Reid spoke
to her father at around six pm on January twenty eighth,
Richie was allegedly one hour late. Did Karen tell her
father she was waiting on her plumber when Andy was late?
Will William Reid be asked about Karen Reid's Mansfield plumber,

(19:56):
Richie during his deposition for wrongful death civil suit If
Karen Reid only had luke warm shower water and no
hot water running to or sink like she told John o'keef.
When did Richie repair the piece which Karen Reid said
was all rusted and Caren, okay, I don't know. He
showed me some piece and it was all rusted. I

(20:19):
don't understand half of this stuff. That's what she told
John O'Keeffe in a text. Karen Reid already knew it
was gonna snow because John o'keeff told her about the
impending blizzard in a message at five oh four nineteen.
Well there's a blizzard coming, so we'll be inside all weekend,

(20:39):
all inside with the toxic children, right around an hour
before she spoke to her father. In fact, Karen Reid
had replied to John o'keef just twenty six seconds later,
saying it will be over by noon tomorrow. So why
did Karen Reed choose to leave John O'Keeffe mortally wounded

(21:00):
laying on the darkened corner of the yard of thirty
four Fairvreew Road, near a cluster of trees after reversing
into him with her suv. Knowing of the impending blizzard,
did Karen Reid tell Carrie Curran about her issues with
my hot water and her plumber called Richie, and will
Carrie be asked about this during her deposition? Good question.

(21:24):
Did Karen Reid tell Karina Colokeithus that real snake in
the grass and Jennifer McCabe about her alleged issue with
my hot water plumber, my hot water and her plumber
called Ritchie while she was in the waterfall? So Karina
Kolakithus was someone who came out. She's married to a
lawyer who took Karen Reid's side.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
She was.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
Friends with both John O'Keefe and Karen Reid, and testified
in a way favorable to Karen Reid, saying that there's
something odd about the way Jen invited her to the
house get together after the bar is closed. Less than
two and a half hours before she spoke to Karina Cola,
Keithys and Jennifer McCabe, Karen Reid had spent over one

(22:10):
hour and ten minutes texting John O'Keefe about her alleged
plumbing issues. Why didn't Karen Reid mention anything about her
alleged issues with my hot water and her plumber? Called
Richie in her twelve fifty five thirty one AM and
twelve fifty five fifty one AM messages to John O'Keefe's

(22:34):
iPhone on January twenty ninth. Gretchen Voss stated in her
September twenty seventh, twenty twenty three tail for Boston Magazine
headed the Karen Reid case and Canton the killing that
tore a town apart. For three days after finding John

(22:54):
o'keef dying in the snow, read laid up, curled up
at her parents couch in Dighton. We all know that
this was a blatant lie because Karen Reid was out
and about in Canton with a private investigator on January thirtieth. However,
who let karen plumber Richie into her Mansfield home she

(23:15):
stayed at her parents' house in Dyton for three days.
Did Karen Reid ever mention her alleged issues with my
hot water at her house in Mansfield or her plumber
called Richie to Gretchen Voss in June July twenty twenty three,
And did Karen Reid tell the private investigator who she
retraced her steps with on January thirtieth, twenty twenty two

(23:39):
about her alleged issues with my hot water and the
rusted pipe piece, and did private did the private investigator
from January thirtieth who traced his Karen Reid steps with her?
Did he pick her up from Karen's house in Dighton

(24:02):
or her own house in Mansfield? And where did he
drop her back off? If during the course of the
evening of January twenty eight, twenty twenty two, Karen Reid
changed her mind. I've always told you I will not
put either of you out, quote unquote statement to John O'Keefe,
and she just decided to take John up on his
offer to fix her alleged issue with my hot water.

(24:25):
Why was Karen Why has Karen Reid never mentioned it?
And if Karen Reid supposedly had Richie her plumber coming
over at five pm, why did she almost wait? Why
did she wait almost two and a half years before
telling John O'Keefe. Did Karen Reid use Why did she
wait almost two and a half hours I'm sorry two

(24:46):
and a half hours before telling John O'Keeffe. If Karen
Reid supposedly had Richie your plumber coming at five pm,
why did she wait almost two and a half hours
before telling John O'Keefe. Did Karen Reid use her Richie
the Mansfield plumber tail to exert power and control over
John O'Keefe. Did Karen Reid expect John O'Keefe to drop

(25:10):
everything and drive to Mansfield instead of going out with Richie,
instead of going out with Michael Camerano? And did Karen
Reid tell John o'keeff she had contacted a plumber to
undermine his sense of self worth by belittling his abilities.
Why didn't Karen Reid drive to her own house in Mansfield?

(25:30):
This is a really good question. Why didn't she drive
to her own house in Mansfield after driving from thirty
four Fairreu Road ready for her alleged plumbing issues to
be resolved? Manyana? So, why after running over John O'Keefe
didn't she go to her own house? Why did she

(25:50):
go to John O'Keefe's house where she was unwanted and uninvited?
I mean, she was invited with John o'keef, but after
she ran him over, she snuck in. Certainly didn't have
his permission to being there. He wasn't able to give
it because she had mortally wounded him. Why didn't Karen

(26:14):
Reid claim John o'keef's feelings on the night of January
twenty Why did Karen Reid claim John o feelings on
the night of January twenty eighth about her alleged plumbing
issues were irrelevant? The Commonwealth similarly elicited irrelevant testimony from
O'Keefe's friend Michael Camerano that o'keeth mentioned being annoyed with

(26:38):
Karen because she didn't ask him to help her fix
a plumbing issue at her home. Where is Karen Reid's
alleged text to why is she so see? This is
very telling that in January fifth, her own legal team
is looking to bar this kind of evidence coming forward.

(27:00):
Why because they know it makes her look like a
pathologic It makes her look like the pathological liar that
she is. Karen Reid told John O'Keeffe she was allegedly
expecting Richie, her plumber, to arrive at her house at
four eighty one Gilbert Street, Mansfield at five pm, as
can be seen by her time stamp seven forty eight

(27:21):
oh one message to John in the below screenshot. And
this guy Richie fixed it the last time, She says,
whatever it was you was supposed to be here at five.
John O'Keefe texted Karen at five oh four nineteen, warning
her about the blizzard. Well, there's a blizzard coming, so
we'll be inside all weekend. It'll be over by tomorrow,

(27:45):
she says. And John O'Keeffe said to Karen Reid, I
told you already. I don't bounce back as quickly as
you do after we have a battle. So that's some
of the timing of all this.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Here talking shut in here with the snow. I'd rather
be up there with John and the kids and doing
something fun. And we always had fun on the weekends.
And then at about six pm, either I called my
father or he called me, and he said, how is
he day? What are you up to?

Speaker 6 (28:23):
I told him what happened.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
And I hated complaining about John to my parents because
they liked him a lot. And my father just said
gently to me, Karen, why don't you stay home tonight
it's going to snow.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
But I didn't. Oh, she didn't.

Speaker 9 (28:43):
Dad.

Speaker 6 (28:43):
If I had listened to you, she says, here, let
me see if I can play it.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Dad, If I had listened to you, none of this
would have happened.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
None of this would have happened. Is it her dad's
fault or her fault?

Speaker 2 (28:57):
The day after he died, on January thirty, David told
me I needed to hire a private investigator, and I
did right away, And on January thirtieth, he drove to
my parents.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
It was still snowing. The day after John was killed.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
My PI picked me up and he said, we need
to go retrace your steps.

Speaker 9 (29:16):
And I did it.

Speaker 6 (29:18):
On the thirtieth, and it was you did that on
the thirtieth. We thought you were crying uncontrollably on your
parents' couch. What happened one of.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
The worst days of my life. No disrespect to my PI,
who I love, and I'm sure he was.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
He helped me out a lot get away with murder.
I love that PI.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Equally uncomfortable, but I could barely even get ready to leave.
I'd just cleaned up for the first time. I'd still
up until that point, still at John's blood in my hair.
I didn't have any clothes because I didn't think I.

Speaker 6 (29:56):
Re supposed to believe that Karen REI didn't wash for
two days after ordering. John O'Keefe wasn't going back to
John's house and or could she not wash because she
had no hot water?

Speaker 5 (30:08):
And we retraced my steps.

Speaker 6 (30:11):
There's no hot water at her parents' house either, And.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I drove by John's house and there had to have
been twenty cars maybe more, wrapped around the block. And
I felt like I was looking in on my life
from the from the sky.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
That that window. All my things are in there. I
was just in there with him.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
You now I'm gone, and he's gone and he's never
going back, and they're mourning him, and I'm not there.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
And so those those first few.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
Months, I'm not there to control the narrative.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I think I I started to get my sea legs.

Speaker 6 (30:48):
I thought she started getting them right away, according to
her brother, right. I don't mean to be rude. So
that is that also, So I hope that this is
the narrative for the O'Keefe civil trial lawyers. Anybody wants

(31:10):
to talk to me behind the scenes, someone who really
understands and this is fraud, Happy to talk to you
behind the scenes, Ropertic last twenty three. If any of
John O'Keefe's friends or family want to talk to me
on the error off, I'm happy to help because Karen

(31:31):
Reid is going to come equipped and she knows her
case and the witnesses should know it. And the theme,
if there is a deposition of Karen Reid, the theme
should be one of the themes should be holding Karen
Read accountable for her pathological lying and emotional manipulation of

(31:51):
John o'keef because the end result, unfortunately, of a lot
of domestic violence situations is murder. That she had to
have the last word. So whatever they argued about sitting
in front of thirty four Fairview, whether it was Cayley
or the plumber or something else, Karen Rei decided to

(32:14):
teach John a lesson have the last word and express
her anger and turn her anger out on him. So
that should be the theme. But instead, instead of getting
everything ready for the civil trial, the theme is let's

(32:36):
all wait for the Feds to come and enact justice.
So let me show you Kate's video like they're going
to take care of it. And this has been a
mistake that's been done through I mean, I've been screaming
about since the first trial. Someone else is going to

(32:59):
take care of this and right the wrongs.

Speaker 9 (33:01):
Karen.

Speaker 6 (33:02):
We just got to let the courts take care of everything.
And I was screaming, no speak out. Why aren't any
of the o'key family speaking out. I understand that they've
signed with with Netflix, but I don't think Netflix is
going to sue a grieving family for speaking out for
violating a contract. Don't think that will look well. But
no one's speaking out about the fact that Karen Reid

(33:25):
got away with murder except John o'keef's cousin, Vanessa Ritzitana.
Really doesn't look good. All right, here we go, here's here.
This is a I think is a huge distraction. So

(33:53):
this is a theme that I have noticed in other trials.
There's always who's comes along to be the savior of
the victims or the witnesses in a case, usually the
victims or the victims family, and they have their own agendas.
So Kate Peter has her own agenda that she hates

(34:13):
Turtle Boy and wants to enact revenge. She's been promising
that he's gonna get arrested due jail time. He has
gotten arrested, but he's done just a very scant jail time,
but always arrested. He's going to be in handcuffs. He's
going to be doing same thing that she said about
Karen Reid. She's going to get convicted, She's going to

(34:34):
be going to prison. It's all been wishful thinking, one
big line of wishful thinking, and a distraction for the
witnesses who should be getting their evidence together. Michael Camerono,

(34:55):
I mean, did you see the way that he delivered that.
I mean, he could he timidly expressed just the bare minimum.
It looks like Katherine Camerano and Michael Camerono, the way
they come off is so weak that they don't want

(35:15):
to be responsible for sending Karen Reid to prison. And
now that that's off the table, I hope that they'll
share more, especially Katherine Camerano, about what Karen Reid told
them that morning. There's long phone calls, I mean relatively
long phone calls with Catherine Camerano and Karen Reid where

(35:36):
she says, oh, there was so much screaming. I don't
know what I heard.

Speaker 9 (35:43):
I have no doubt the Feds are coming.

Speaker 11 (35:51):
Mile more fallout from the Karen Reid murder trial agreat.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
So when Turtle Boy says that he has no doubt
that the Feds are coming, he means that the Feds
are coming to This was the refrain of free Karen
Reid for long time that the Feds were coming to
arrest the real killers lol, meaning the witnesses in this case.

(36:16):
That of course never materialized, and the investigation is eventually
now closed. And now we have one woman, Jessica Leslie,
going down, possibly for leaking information in this case and
maybe the CDL case, or maybe just the CDL case.
Hard to know that she's been made an example of.

Speaker 11 (36:41):
Enjuror has admitted to leaking information. This is a woman
from Drake It who sat on the federal Grant jury
that investigated the state's handling of Reed's murder case.

Speaker 7 (36:51):
Woman is now admitting that she brought the law by
leaking secret information about the Karen Reid case.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
On July fifteenth, the US Department of Justice announced.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
That Karen Reid has friends. They were at the trial.
She didn't do character witnesses. She didn't need to character
witnesses you'd see in the you'd see in the penalty phase.
And since she didn't really face up much of a

(37:23):
penalty for dui just probation, what she got convicted of
was so puny. She didn't need character witnesses, but you
would see character witnesses would show up during a penalty.

Speaker 10 (37:36):
Phase, usually Jessica m Leslie.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
But she does have friends, she has I mean, that's
another lie that sort of went around. Karen Reid has
no friends. She does have friends. She has John Silverez,
a friend of hers who gave over fifteen thousand dollars
to her campaign.

Speaker 9 (38:03):
She has.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
I've talked also about her friend who showed up at trial.
Why am I I am for uh Ingrid Curtis. He's
been her friend for a long time. She does have friends.
This is something that Kate Peter said that just got
sort of repeated around. Karen Reid has no friends. She
does have friends.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Thirty four year old woman from dra Kit, Massachusetts, would
plead guilty to one count of criminal contempt for leaking
federal grand jury information. Her punishment two years of probation
and one day in jail, waived, not a single day
behind bars, despite admitting to a federal crime that undermines

(38:48):
the integrity of the grand jury system. What makes this
even more fascinating is the context. The only individuals known
to have leaked specific grand jury details in the Karen
read case like. Witness names and testimony are Aidan Kearney
aka turtle Boy in public and Aiden and Karen Read
in private.

Speaker 10 (39:09):
According to their own.

Speaker 6 (39:10):
Tech No, they also John Silvera. If I played some
of Natalie Wiwiki Brin Schneideriki was sharing, said that John
Silvera sent out of text with grand jury information. But
once he received it, who he received it from? I

(39:32):
mean how how? I mean, I don't know how the
law goes? Is how broadly you have to share it?
Does it have to be public? Does it making it public?
Is it sharing it amongst your friends text messages?

Speaker 9 (39:48):
But there's just one issue with that.

Speaker 7 (39:50):
That was the story that they gave police. However, we
know now that Kaelin Albert testified in front of the
federal grand jury. According to my sources at Moachley Courthouse
who saw them go in there and testify in front
of the grand jury over the summer.

Speaker 9 (40:09):
I believe it was around July.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Leslie's charge fits into that pattern like a glove. Yet
instead of the DOJ throwing the book at her, they
handed her a cushion.

Speaker 10 (40:20):
Let's rewind.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Kearney's digital devices six phones.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
So what happens? So what happens. If I'm wrong and
this is bigger and what Aiden Carney gets another charge.
He's got very good lawyers. I'm not convinced he's going
to be convicted of anything. Clearly he said he had
sources at the from federal from the federal grand jury.

(40:53):
Why would they my my were This confuses me. Why
would they just publicly release this low level person and
then give Aiden Carney time to delete any kind of
evidence that he has. Why wouldn't they just indict everybody
altogether if they were wanted to, if they had evidence

(41:15):
of it. And as far as signal apps and retrieving
deleted texts on signal apps, do you think that the
federal the Attorney General's office that has been done nothing
but Karen Reid's bidding, is going to turn around and

(41:39):
pursue something so politically unfavorable they have to get elected
as go after Turtle Boy or Karen Reid. This is
not popular in this state. Everybody loves Karen Reid. They
treat he like Lady Diana.

Speaker 10 (41:56):
Owns in.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Two laptops were seized back in October twenty three as
part of ongoing state level witness intimidation cases. He spent
the last two years trying to block police from searching them.
That fight ended on May thirtieth, twenty twenty five, when
a judge rejected nearly all of his privileged claims except

(42:19):
for attorney client communications, and ordered his team to provide
a list of search terms to filter out privileged material.
His lawyer did so on June second. Just five weeks later,
on July eleventh, the Feds filed a criminal information in
US District Court, a telltale sign a plea deal was imminent.

Speaker 10 (42:42):
Four days after that, Leslie waived.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Her right to a grand jury indictment, pleaded guilty, and
walked away with a sweetheart deal that doesn't even touch
the low end of federal.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
Okay, she says, doesn't even touch the low end of
federal sins. I'm going to talk about those federal sentinences
recommended sentences in a.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Second sincing guidelines, which recommends six to twelve months for
her offense level, even after point deductions.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
So they can go much lower or much higher. And
in New York, if you go like beyond three times
the recommended level, then you can appeal much faster. I
don't know about Massachusetts, but no judge has to listen
to recommended guideline sentences. So what Kate Peter is saying

(43:30):
is that the only logical inference the fact that she
got such a light sentence is that she's given a
lot of favorable information on other people that are seen
to be indicted. And I've heard these rumblings behind the
scenes that big people are coming for Karen. I find
it all for since her, since she got off on murder.

(43:53):
So uh, I think it's all wishful thinking on our part,
on this sides part. This is a very or you know,
there are many reasons why a judge will go under
the recommended sentence. First of all, the government and the
defense are both in agreement that you should serve no time,

(44:18):
So it could be a very low offense, you know
what I mean. It's essentially a slap on the wrist
and making her an example of I would think we
would see indictments coming, you know, all at the same time,

(44:39):
not you know, one at a time like this. If
they found, if they really found all this evidence of
everyone else, what are they waiting for?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
It hit the media and was quickly connected to the
Karen Reid case, and after that came the back pedaling,
the lies, the kind of reaction you would expect from
someone who could very well end up charged with a
federal crime. Aiden Kearney, who for years proudly flaunted his
access to insider information from the federal grand jury.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
I get emails all the time from people who serve
on federal and state grand jury's they're.

Speaker 9 (45:15):
Not supposed to. Yeah, but that's that's fucking turtle Boy.
That's what turtle Boy is all about. Just know that
I know shit you don't know.

Speaker 7 (45:23):
For all the people who doubt me, How did I
know that Ali McCabe testified in front of the grand
jury before everyone else did? How did I know that
she was down there in Moachley Courthouse? How did I
know the exact date that Colin Albert was down there?

Speaker 9 (45:36):
How did I know that? How did I know that
Caitlin Albert and Brian Albert Junior? Were down there? How
did I know that John McCabe was with her daughter
in the courthouse.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
I'm not disagreeing with Kate here, but again, you know,
Kate has a need to see to get revenge on
turtle Boy, used to work with him. You can go
back to my interview with her. But you know she

(46:06):
has her own motivations. You see this, and you know
people glom onto these things and they white night for
the victim's family or the victims, and they have their
own motivations, and they're hugely destructive to getting justice for
the victims because they're not in alignment. So we saw

(46:32):
in the Nexium story, the whistleblower in that case, or
one of the one of the bloggers in that case,
came forward and his whole desire was to see Keith
RNAi go down for personal reasons, and he ended up
working for This is the rumor, and it sure looked

(46:56):
like it from the outside. For sometimes he would work
for Anxium, some times he would work for the victims
of Nexium fighting Nexio. I mean, it's just never you
deal with people with I mean Kate Peter self describes
as a sociopath. These victims have already dealt with Karen Reid,

(47:16):
who I think is a sociopath. You just it's not
a good idea. I would say the best thing to
for the victims in this case and the witnesses in
this case is to get as far away from Kate Peter.

Speaker 9 (47:29):
As possible when they went down nothing.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
I mean, I personally found her very charming, but I
think she's very destructive there.

Speaker 9 (47:38):
How did I know the names Adam Beach and Joshua Levy?
How did I know all of this stuff? Guys? How
did I know all this? It's almost like I have sources.

Speaker 7 (47:48):
It's almost like I had people on the ground reporting
back to me about what they're seeing in real life.
So just know that when I say that the federal
grand jury is not even close to being over, it
is not even close to being over. They are gaslating you.
I am telling you as a one matter of fact

(48:11):
that they're nowhere close to done. Is there another grand
jury for the Albert McCabe and Proctor one? Yes, So
there's two grand jury's the grand jury that indicted Karen Reid,
and then there's the federal grand jury at Mochley Courthouse
that Jen McCabe and several others got subpoenedto.

Speaker 9 (48:30):
I saw with you.

Speaker 7 (48:31):
First of all, the context of this is hilarious when
you realize that just a couple of days prior to this,
he's under so much stress because his son Colin testified
in front of the federal grand jury, I believe on
July fourteenth or thirteenth, and this happened on July sixteenth,
and then on July eighteenth, Colins was interviewed by the

(48:52):
state police for the first time. July is when a
lot of shit started going down.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Suddenly began walking it all back in a live stream
following Leslie's plea. He denied any involvement or knowledge of
the leak, despite mountains of past content suggesting otherwise.

Speaker 7 (49:10):
We want to follow up on those leads because we
don't know anything about the federal grand jury. Like Karen's
old legal defense team was basically in the dark. The
Feds didn't tell them much at all. The Feds never
told them a thing. The Feds would ask them questions,
and they could glean information from the kind of questions
the rest, but they never knew specifics about.

Speaker 6 (49:30):
But we also know the Feds were also feeding their
witnesses information during a sequestration order. It's so hard to
say sequestration order, so meaning that none of the witnesses
were allowed to watch the other witnesses testimony. But the

(49:50):
Feds just went around that and called Karen Reid's witnesses
hired guns from Marca and fed them all the testimony
from the Commonwealth's witnesses. So now the now the fed
that now the federal government is going to be the

(50:11):
hero of anti Karen Reid really really or are they
gonna throw or is bringing Jessica Leslie down just throwing
them a bone and saying we did something, we did something,
We ruined this small level player's life. See we did something,

(50:33):
we cracked down, did something and move away. See Turtle
Boy is gonna have to face charges. I'm not convinced
he's going to get convicted of anything.

Speaker 9 (50:46):
What they were actually doing or anything like that.

Speaker 7 (50:48):
Right until they got the two we report, they had
no idea what was going on. And so when Karen
Reid see in her defense team sees somebody posting online
that they claimed to be if a grand juror, they're like, well,
that's that's interesting information. We'd like to learn more about that.
Two years ago, Aiden Carney learned about a potential source

(51:10):
a leaked information from the federal grand jury associated with
the federal investigation. No I saw a fucking comment Darra
on a Facebook group. That's all Turtleboy's live video from
July twenty twenty three seems very relevant two years ago.

Speaker 9 (51:26):
No, dipshit, Darra, it doesn't.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
I know who she leaked to do because I talked
to the woman that you one of the many people
she sent this information to about cd Owls. You fucking retard.
Oh my god, stop with the internet detective shit. Just
let Daddy fucking report. That's what I fucking do. You're
not a fucking reporter, Dara, you're not. You're some fucking
idiot on Twitter who can't shut the fuck up. Okay,

(51:51):
just let Daddy fucking handle this, because this is what
I fucking do. I couldn't save the time. I speak
to Klin Reid regularly. She's the one that's interested in
reading this shit. She was her defense team would like
to learn more about the federal investigation because they don't
know much about it, so they'd like to learn more
about it. So when I say trust me, I mean
trust me. I'm talking to Karen Reid, Okay, And when

(52:13):
I say that, that's.

Speaker 9 (52:15):
Me kind of covertly telling you I have something.

Speaker 7 (52:17):
Okay, I can't tell you what that's something is, but
you need to trust me.

Speaker 9 (52:21):
Yeah, what that something.

Speaker 7 (52:22):
Is is I talked to Karen Reid That's what the
sumthing is.

Speaker 9 (52:26):
I can't. I don't.

Speaker 7 (52:27):
I'm publicly pretending like I don't at the time, but
I was, and that's what I was saying.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
Just I mean, he lies a lot, but he tells
a lot of the truth.

Speaker 9 (52:37):
Trust me.

Speaker 7 (52:37):
I can't tell you that I'm talking to Karen, but
I'm talking to Karen, and so we both would like
to read more information about this. So just trust me, bro,
Just fucking trust me. Just shut the fuck up and
trust me. What the fuck is wrong with you? Oh
my fucking God, Jesus Christ fucking hate these people.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Instead, he claimed that a friend of Leslie's had contacted
him to say the FBI only seized her phone eighteen
months out after she posted about an unrelated grand jury
case that was.

Speaker 7 (53:04):
The thing that got the grand juror in trouble. She
didn't post it, she was telling people about it. And
I know this because I today, right before the show,
I was on the phone with somebody who this person
sent that information.

Speaker 6 (53:20):
To, right, So you have to, I mean, it would
be hard to if you received information and post and
made it public, the grand jury get in trouble for it.

Speaker 7 (53:31):
And this individual was visited by the fence about it
about this post.

Speaker 9 (53:37):
The post had nothing to do with the Kara Ree case.

Speaker 7 (53:40):
Nothing, And they came with receipts that and they're like
they don't They're like worried about it, Like the FBI
showed up at the door wanted to look at her phone.

Speaker 9 (53:51):
It's a fucking like. It is a.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Buzzkill concerning CDL license fraud on an anonymous Twitter account
with fewer than one.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
I mean, he would be so excited if he were
even the subject of a federal grand jury investigation. He's like,
it's a buzzkill. Yeah, nothing exciting is happening in the
Karen Reid case. It's a buzzkuil to me and followers.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
This despite every major outlet reporting that Leslie's charge stems
from the Karen Reid investigation.

Speaker 10 (54:28):
Later the story evolved.

Speaker 7 (54:31):
When John McCabe testified, how would he know this? Of
course is involved. So I did have a source at
Moakley who actually works there.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Kearney admitted he had a source on the grand jury,
but now it wasn't Jessica Leslie.

Speaker 10 (54:49):
It was allegedly a court employee.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
And yes, he confirmed he's had frequent communication with Leslie's friend.
This is the same friend he claims had her devices
seized by the FBI in relation to this crime, and
he admits he has a prior relationship with her.

Speaker 7 (55:05):
Now everyone's gonna be severely. I had a long talk
with the girl today. The source not Jessica Leslie. I
talked to her friend today. And you know that Jessica
Leslie does not. Her lawyer won't let her talk to me.
It's just a girl's gabin, that's all.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
This was.

Speaker 7 (55:23):
Like if your friend was on the federal grand jury,
like you'd want the tea too, And that's all that
came down to this, And like she was just talking
to friends and wasn't posting about it, wasn't sending it
to me.

Speaker 9 (55:36):
I had no this source.

Speaker 7 (55:38):
I've talked to her a million times about other stuff,
Like my inbox is full of stuff with her. She
never mentioned that she had a friend on the federal
grand jury.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Can anyone rationally believe that she forgot to mention that
to him? Why would a woman who was allegedly bold
enough to leave grand jury details about a minor licensing
case never breathe a word to Turtle Boy about the
federal grand jury investigating the Karen Reid case, especially when
he and Karen them.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
Yeah, she was probably you know, she might have been
a source for it. But that doesn't mean that he's
going down, or Karen Reid's going down, or Karen Reid's
lawyers are going down. Let's get into reality, guys. I
know with a wishful thinking. The wishful thinking on this
side is out of control. Karen Reid's gonna be arrested tomorrow.

(56:28):
Karen Reid's is gonna get convicted of everything. She's going down.
I hate to always be excuse me to use Aiden
Carney's words a buzzkill. I think Karen Reid at this
point Karen Reid's walking away with their civil case not

(56:49):
paying a dime.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Selves were openly searching for that exact information. To add
another layer of implication to this. As of today eighteenth,
Kearney and his attorneys are now under federal court order
to return all federal discovery materials in their possession and
destroy any copies. The math isn't mathing. What we have

(57:12):
here is a timeline that looks increasingly inconvenient for Kearnie,
a criminal plea that couldn't come quicker, a deal that
couldn't have been softer, and a cascade of contradictions from
someone who once bragged about having exist wait.

Speaker 6 (57:26):
A criminal plea that couldn't have come quicker oh from
being indicted, but certainly the indictment came awfully at a
snail's pace.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Exactly the kind of access that just sent someone else
to federal court.

Speaker 10 (57:41):
Nothing.

Speaker 6 (57:41):
Yeah, but the person who went to federal court was
a juror on a federal grand jury, not a blogger,
not someone else. Does anyone get.

Speaker 10 (57:52):
The difference to see here? You decide, yeah.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
I'll decide nothing to see here. I'll keep saying nothing
to see hear a bummer. So I'm going to end
it there for today. But the witnesses and John O'Keefe's
family would be especially the witnesses especially I'm speaking to
Carrie Roberts, Michael Camerono, Catherine Camerono, would all be better

(58:22):
getting their evidence to be the best evidence it can
be in the civil case. That is our best chance
to ever if we want to see justice for John O'Keefe.
Otherwise we can stay distractful in We're stay in wishful
thinking land and hope that someone else will come that,

(58:44):
to use Aiden Carney's words, big Daddy government will come
and fix everything for us. Or we can take matters
into our own hands, get our evidence up to be
the best it can be, and see if we can
hold Karen Read accountable civilly for her murder of John O'Keefe.
All right, have a great night, everybody.

Speaker 12 (59:13):
I hit my boyfriend with my car.

Speaker 13 (59:17):
It wasn't an accident, but with lion lawyers, I'll go far.
Lion lawyers and witness harassment.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
All avoid prison. It was snowing. I pushed the pain
on now hit him hard now the legal system my clane.

Speaker 12 (59:53):
In since for a.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Campaign to save my skin.

Speaker 12 (01:00:00):
Making money. Truth is my second victim.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Carry carry gentle like John you were Mama. My innocence
for a campaign is my biggest.

Speaker 12 (01:00:35):
M I had my boyfriend with my coat. It wasn't act.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Both flying lawyers, I'll go far, Lion lawyers and witness harassment.
I'll avoid prison. It was snowing. I pushed the pedal down,
hit him hard. Now the legal system of my clown

(01:01:21):
in a sense, for a campaign to save my skin.

Speaker 12 (01:01:28):
Making money. Truth, this is my second victim.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Carry carrying changing like John your word, my mark. But
in a sense for a campaign is my biggest hit.

Speaker 12 (01:01:46):
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