Wendi's Alibi: Charlie Adelson's Stunning Admission!

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Speaker 3 (02:22):
Okay, thanks all for your patience. How is everybody? I'm
going to talk about the Aedolsen case today, and what
I think is, I think what everybody knows is true

(02:43):
in the Aedolsen case is that the TV is an alibi,
was used as an alibi for Wendy Aedelson. But after today,
I think you're going to have no doubt that the
TV was an alloyed by for Wendy Aedolsen and that
Donna and Charlie are well aware of this fact that

(03:03):
it was an alibi and they make us stunning admission
regarding Wendy Adolson's alibi in their jail house communications. So
these are jail house calls between Charlie and Donna Adelson.
I've been talking about them. I made a couple of shorts,
thanks to everybody who checked out my shorts, and I

(03:30):
made longer videos about it as well. So how telling
these calls really are? Thereafter Charlie Adolson was convicted in
less than two and a half hours, that's with lunch
by a jury, they're lamenting how unfair the trial was,

(03:50):
how everyone in Telly has he hated them, and mainly
the real subject of those jail house calls are Wendy
ruined it for all of us and you too, Donna
doesn't everybody. Charlie Aedelson was perfect, but with that, but
with Wendy and Donna on his team, it was hopeless

(04:10):
for him. He could never win and not in a
million years. So we're going to talk about that. So
if you don't know, if you're not following the murderer
of Dan Markell, this is a case that I have
followed on my channel ever since I interviewed the victim's mother,
Ruth Markel. So Dan Markell was in Florida State University

(04:33):
law professor. He was married to Wendy Adelson, also a lawyer.
I think she calls herself a public interest lawyer. And
they were in the middle of an acrimmonious divorce, very
vicious divorce, and Wendy Adelson desperately wanted to move out

(04:59):
of Tallahassee to Miami, where her parents were, Donna and
Harvey Adelson, and this was looking more and more impossible.
The divorce got so vicious that Dan Marquel was threatening
her law license. Money was on the line, and lo

(05:20):
and behold if he isn't murdered in his driveway by
a hired hitman connected back to Charlie Adelson's girlfriend, the
middle Woman, Katherine mag Banua or mcbanoa. I've heard her
name pronounced. Does anyone know the correct way to pronounce

(05:41):
her name? Mac banoa, I'll say, I'll say, I've heard
it pronounced both ways. So Catherine mag Banoa was given
life in prison. Her baby dad daddy was the trigger man.
Sig Fredo Garcia was given life in prison. Luis Rivera,

(06:05):
who told everything and is cooperated, was given a shorter
sentence and Charlie Aedelson was given life in prison, and
now coming up is Donna Adelson is the mother of
Wendy Aedelson, seventy five years old grandmother on trial, is

(06:29):
facing now seven is facing the rest of her life
in prison for the murder of Dan Marcel. And Wendy
Aedelson continues, who this was all done for. I mean,
that's the prosecution's theory. She remains an unindicted co conspirator

(06:52):
in this case, walks around raising her two children. She
changed the names immediately back from Marquel to Aedelson. She says,
for safety reasons. Why that would be any safer, I
don't know, and immediately stopped speaking with Dan Markel's family.

(07:19):
It's not suspicious at all. So we're going to get
into her alibi for the time of this murder was
that she was having her TV repaired. I mean, the
most old fashioned y alibi. Even when this happened, and
we just passed the anniversary of this crime, Even when

(07:46):
this happened in twenty fourteen, this was still a very
odd thing to do and have your TV fixed. In fact,
she had insurance on it through the Geek Squad and

(08:10):
they told her it would be cost more money to
get it fixed than to buy a new one, and
she was still had to call her brother to mull
it over. So the TV has been used as a
way to talk about Dan Markell's murder undercover. That's the
States theory, and let's get into Charlie. So there's all

(08:34):
sorts of odd things around this TV. And I think
one of the more interesting things is the testimony of
Jeffrey Lacasse, who was Wendy Adelson's boyfriend until she broke
up with him, that a week before before the murder,

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and he was supposed to take a trip that she
knew that would take him right by the crime scene
almost exactly after it happened. And we also know, sorry
to sit spoiler alert, that Wendy Edelson drove by the
crime scene after it happened and then made a three
point turn and drove away. It's almost as if she

(09:17):
wanted to make sure it was done. Even Charlie and
Donna admit that it's odd that she had that she
couldn't help herself that the most logical reasoning, a rational
logical person would look at this evidence and not think
it was a coincidence that because she's given I mean

(09:38):
two or three different stories. One is that was the
only route she knew to get to a liquor store
because she had to buy bullet bourbon for a stock
the bar party she was going to that night. The
second reason is that it was a shortcut, and the
third reason was the first reason she gave was that
she frequently went by that house to as a way

(10:01):
to come to terms with the divorce. So she's given
three different, three different reasons as to why she drove
that route on that day, all very unbelievable. So one
of the we're telling stories is Jeffrey Lacossa's story having
to do with this TV. Let's take a look at

(10:23):
his testimony regarding the TV and the TV that needed
to be repaired at Wendy Edelson's house. Okay, here we go, everybody,

(10:46):
see Okay.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Okay, So let's go forward a little bit to this
TV situation. Do you know anything about Wendy's TV being broken?

Speaker 8 (10:58):
I do?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
And when was the TV broken?

Speaker 8 (11:02):
If you know, between June eleventh and eighteenth, I think
it's closer to the eleventh, about one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
In that week.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
How do you know it was in that week?

Speaker 8 (11:12):
Because we rented a movie How To Train a Dragonto
to give the kids a special movie night, and I
have text messages where I'm discussing having seen.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
The movie by the eighteenth with friends.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
So you were able to recapture yeah future, Yeah, all right,
So do you get the.

Speaker 8 (11:28):
Movie or it was back in the day it was
red box, So I rented a DVD from a red box.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
It was twenty fourteen, all right.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
And go over there with the movie and what happens
when you were arrived.

Speaker 8 (11:39):
I walk in the door and miss Adelson asked me
to look at her television because there's something wrong.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
With the television.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
And what was wrong with the television?

Speaker 8 (11:47):
Well, I turned it on and it was immediately confused
because it really shouldn't have been a question.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
As soon as you turned the TV on.

Speaker 8 (11:53):
It's been struck by an object and is damaged and
basically unusable.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Can you explain what the damage?

Speaker 8 (12:00):
Yeah, it looked like somebody stood in front of it,
took their fist and hit it.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Like that was my first impression.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Kind of like a shatter mark with spiders.

Speaker 8 (12:08):
Yeah, there's like an impact crater and then there's uh
from that, there's and it's all pixelated and distorted, which
makes it very difficult. No one would watch this TV
US you had to.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Right, But she she didn't have to watch this TV
because guess what, there was another TV. Let's let's hear
about this from Jeffrey look Ass.

Speaker 8 (12:30):
And I had second thoughts about that. I looked around
the room. Maybe the kids broke it. So I looked
all around the room, and it didn't seem plausible that
the children broke it. They're very small. This object had
to be kind of heavy. I'd thrown a ball around
with them. I just couldn't see how the kids could
have could have done it.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
One of the things that they say on the Shailhouse
causes how nervous and fidgety Jeffrey look has an unbelievable
like a liar, and Donna Edelson's goes to great pain
to say that Jeffy Jeffrey Lacasse exaggerated how many times
that he met the Adolson family. I happened to think

(13:10):
that they probably forgot how many times that they I
would bet on Jeffrey Lacasse's memory more than the Adolesen memory,
because he was just a throwaway person. To that he
was unimportant. He was used, I mean, really is an
object of real hatred with the family and became an
object I mean, took Dan Markel's places. I mean not

(13:33):
nothing would ever take Dan Markell's place as an object
of hatred for that family. But let's say became a
went into the group of people they really hated. Let's say,
join the ranks of Dan Markel of people they really hated.
Because he told the truth and he saw through the

(13:55):
entire plan beautifully, including Wendy Atolson's psychopathy. He was like, yeah,
I think that. You know, it was strange that she
really wanted to know where I was going and if
if I didn't take my trip, why not and all
this stuff. She really would She had broken up with me,

(14:18):
and she still wanted to know whether I was going.
So the idea was that he would be so jealous
that he would go and kill Dan Markel, not like
she was getting I would kind of understand more if
Weyndy Eielsen said I have to break up with you,
I'm getting back with Dan Markel Danny or something. No,

(14:39):
that she just broke up with him. But we're supposed
to believe that you would be so obsessive and I
think they really got into his jittery nervousness personality, and
they thought he was a someone who would be too
timid as he was as they loved the idea of
him being like the madman trying to tell the truth

(15:01):
and no one was listening to him as he was,
as this murder was totally pinned on him. Right, But
I just was driving by blah blah blah blah blah.
Really I didn't do it. You have to know Wendy was.
You know, he would tell all these crazy tales that
Wendy said that her brother hired a hitman and no
one would listen. They loved that idea, or he would
be too scared for his own physical safety to actually

(15:25):
tell the truth. They had him down as a schmuck. Okay,
Yiddish schmuck is you know, a jerk, a fool, an idiot,
you know, schmuck? Oh supremo and boy, they underestimated Jeffrey Lacase.

(15:47):
So when I look at his testimony, yes, he's jittery
and nervous. Nobody likes to give testimony, Nobody likes to
be a witness. Nobody likes to give testimony on a trial.
That's being broadcasted like this and watched and kind of
obsessed over the way the murder of Dan Markel is
really obsessed over. But boys, he could witness. Boy, I

(16:10):
believe him more than I believe Charlie Adelson, And they
don't get it. I mean, I've been listening to these
jail house calls and they go over and over again,
how great Charlie Aedelson's testimony is because he knows his case. Well,
of course he's going to know his case. He was there.
But what he means is is that Dan Rashbaund really

(16:33):
prepared him for taking the stand over and over again played.
I believe he would have pretended to be Georgia Kapelman
and they role played at a million times, but he
knew his case too well. No, honest, man, doesn't have
anything to write forget. Isn't that the phrase something like that?

(16:55):
I mean, all you have to do is tell the truth.
You were there. I mean, you don't have to be
like it was wiretap numbers seventy five and I say
it here. I mean, and he had a reason for everything.
And they thought because he had a reason for everything,
it made his testimony good. It's exactly what made it bad.
He was arrogant, unlikable, and he looked like a guilty

(17:15):
person tailoring their their story to the evidence. That's not
what I thought in twenty and fourteen, but it's what
I thought in two thousand and nineteen or sixteen or whatever.
It's stupid, but I tell you, after listening to these tapes,
I mean kind of woke up this morning like coming,

(17:35):
am I Am I crazy? Like they had me a
little brainwashed. Listening to them so much, I was going,
was he a great witness? And I didn't see it
was Georgia Kapelman manipulative? And am I just not seeing it?
And then I had to listen back to it and
was go, oh my gosh, it was horrible. It was
so unlikable.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Oh God, I didn't see. I didn't know for sure.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
I didn't know we've been discussing this in a murder trial.
So didn't like investigate further think about it very much,
to be honest with you, I just thought.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay, were there other TVs in the house.

Speaker 8 (18:06):
There was a TV in the back bedroom, a similar
making model that we had watched television with the kids
before on that TV before, So.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yes, is that where you watched the movie that night.

Speaker 9 (18:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I went to go h hook up the DVD player
in the back room.

Speaker 8 (18:22):
Miss Adelson insisted that it would not work and actually
stopped me from even trying. So I thought that was
very odd, but I didn't want to argue. And it's
her house, her TV, her kids, So I said, okay,
so did.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
You watch the movie on the broken TV?

Speaker 8 (18:41):
Yeah, we gave the kids movie night where we watched
the movie on a broken television. It was distorted enough
you could follow what was happening, but the kids are
whining and crying the whole time. And I wasn't whining
or crying exactly, but it was tempted to because it was.
It was pretty frustrating and I just didn't understand, uh,

(19:03):
you know, what was was going on. And of course
I had related that this TV is broken, it's unwatchable,
it's not covered by warranty, and have to get a
new TV. And I offered to go do that for
her anytime she wanted. She's a busy single mom. I'll
run by best bike gets a new TV. It was
not like ad and Stevie or something that was really

(19:23):
that luxurious. It was a TV like you'd see in
a dorm room, so we could have replaced it right away.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
All right, did you end up getting ANYTV?

Speaker 5 (19:31):
No?

Speaker 8 (19:31):
She turned me down several times on that offer, and
I get into her house.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I tried to respect her.

Speaker 8 (19:36):
Boundaries and I said, okay, but it was inconvenience.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
See See that that gave them the idea that he
was a pushover. He'd watched he was so devoted to
Wendy and his inner kids that she'd he'd watch a
movie on a broken TV. But why did she have to?
Why did they all have to watch that broken TV?
So everybody remembers the TV broken, it's cemented if her

(20:02):
children have to testify, which is a horrible thing to
do to your kids. Never mind that you're murdering the father,
their father and scarring them for life. But everybody will
remember that the TV was broken and she really needed
it fixed. But he respected her boundaries and didn't push it,

(20:23):
didn't insist on watching it on the other TV. They
couldn't watch it on the other TV. Could have hooked
it up in two seconds. So there's that. Then there's
Wendy Yado said testify about her memories of this TV. Okay,
just so this is a whole review of the TV

(20:48):
TV evidence. May just make sure that I am in
the right spot. Hold on the second, I thought I
cued this up correctly. My apologies if I didn't. Okay,

(21:13):
I hope. I don't have to take a break I
really don't want to.

Speaker 10 (21:15):
Take a break through this, Okay, Okay, So first there's this.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Actually have a short on this. Okay, So here we
got here.

Speaker 7 (21:44):
Okay, alright, so page twenty five, do you find it?

Speaker 11 (22:03):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Quote it was always his joke. He said, I looked
into hiring a hit man and it was cheaper to
get you this TV. Is that what he said?

Speaker 12 (22:11):
That was a joke that he made.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yes, and hiring the hit man that was to kill
Dan Markel, right, that was the joke.

Speaker 12 (22:18):
That was the joke that he made in foretaste.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yes, not to kill someone else.

Speaker 12 (22:23):
No, well he never used his name.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Okay, Well, he's hiring you the TV because it's cheaper
as a divorce present than a hit man. Who else
would he be hitting with the hit man?

Speaker 12 (22:36):
I never really thought about it because it was not
a thing that he meant. He just made a bad joke.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, you repeated the joke didn't you he repeated the joke.
Didn't you also repeat the joke to other people? Yes,
like Jefflicass.

Speaker 12 (22:49):
I never said that to Jefflicus.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
You didn't tell Jefflicas that your brother got you that
TV as a divorce present because it was cheaper than
hiring a hit man.

Speaker 12 (22:57):
I may have repeated that joke in the contact the TV.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yes, all right? And who is just say?

Speaker 9 (23:04):
There?

Speaker 3 (23:04):
She goes like she will only admit the truth when
she's really cornered. But who is going to make up
that strange joke and get it on the nose like that?
You think Jeffrey Lacostas heard that somewhere so repeating it?
Where would you hear that except from her? Who would

(23:25):
know that? I mean, you know, so would she realized
how bad it looks. She'll make whopper lies as long
as you don't have the receipts to prove her wrong.
For example, here's one she talks about Donna Aedelson making.
The last time she saw Dan Markel, she made him

(23:46):
banana bread and offered to babysit. I mean, why would
she make him non kosher? But here's here's some banana
bread you can't eat from my kitchen. She just thought.
I think she thinks these things up on the fly
and just spills them out lacause.

Speaker 12 (24:05):
Jeff Lacas was a person I dated in twenty thirteen.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
And did you tell Jeffrey Lacas shortly before the actual
murder that your brother really had looked into hiring a hitman?

Speaker 12 (24:20):
I did not.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Did he buy you a TV as a divorce president?

Speaker 12 (24:25):
Did my brother buy me a TV as adorce president?

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Sorry, I should have clarified that. And was the TV
that your brother bought you as a divorce present the
same TV that was being repaired on the morning of
the murder?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Did your mom text you that morning that the repair
guy was coming to repair the TV?

Speaker 12 (24:46):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Why would your mom have been involved in your TV
repair appointment.

Speaker 12 (24:54):
Because I didn't purchase the TV. The TV was a
gift that my brother paid for, but my mom went
and got it and he reimbursed her, so the contract
would have been under her name and her number, So
when the when the repair guy was coming, they may
have called or texted the number on the account instead
of my number.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Okay? And after the murder, do you recall going to
a dinner where you got sick at the table.

Speaker 12 (25:21):
It was about a month later. And yes, I remember where.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Did that dinner occur? Was that here in Tallahassee or
somewhere else?

Speaker 12 (25:28):
No, it was in Miami, all right.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
And was it like a out at a restaurant.

Speaker 12 (25:32):
It was at a restaurant, all right.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
And when we say you got sick at the table,
did you actually vomit at the table?

Speaker 12 (25:37):
I threw up at the table, all right.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
And did you wait, she didn't vomit. She threw up.
She's the queen of doing that. So there's a little
background on the on the TV from Wendy Atosid's viewpoint.
And now we that we get to the star of
the show. Here is so talking about how did Wendy

(26:10):
really need to repair this.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
TV?

Speaker 3 (26:16):
And here they are talking about the TV. Let's take
a listen being in alibi for Wendy a and minute.
It's an alibi.

Speaker 9 (26:32):
Wait, what's the most obvious answer for Wendy leaving.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
Her her alibi?

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Excuse me? Did you just say Wendy left her alibi?
Let's let's just play that for those in the back.
What a startling, crazy admission to.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
Make the most audience answer.

Speaker 9 (26:58):
Is the real answer? Okay, wait, what's the most obvious
answer for Wendy leaving her her alibi and they're showing
up there? What was the only answer you'd have?

Speaker 5 (27:11):
And as soon as you leave her house and doesn't
show up on the street.

Speaker 13 (27:15):
It's ridiculous, it's so stupid.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
It's here's the thing, what's the most obvious answer?

Speaker 13 (27:25):
I just want to see if it was done to
help he couldn't help.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
There. It is a startling admission. It was her alibi.
And this is the theme, and it goes through days
and days of Joe House calls. Why couldn't Wendy just
stick with the plan? We had her alibi all set up,
we had the TV all set up. Why couldn't she
just stick with the plan that was the alibi? But

(27:56):
instead she couldn't help herself. A rational person would say,
Wendy couldn't help herself. And then Charlie adds to it that,
you know, least we forget about Donna's undercover calls. They're
coming in guys that and a few of you caught

(28:20):
this and said, are you you know? I said, I'm
going to talk about this. I'm saving it up. I
noticed it right away. We said she left her alibi,
she abandoned her alibi. We had her all safe away,
we had her set with the alibi, and she had
to drive by the scene of the crime because she
couldn't help herself. So let's check out Donna Adelson the

(28:43):
way she talks about the bump and these calls between
oh well, who sorry? Wrong? Thing on one more second
to to to to two. This is the thing. Okay,

(29:10):
write a letter to or something.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
I've got some capable hand deliver to you. Being sued.
Now that's sort of a portable I'm being talk to you, okay, Okay,
So I mean I want to figure out something you

(29:37):
can tell you what the well.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
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right now with fin and Showy.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
I'll be his aufice in the after in the African Okay.
So the goods to finished shore, the finish a piano
work where.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
I'm spoors, make about it, get it work to me? Fortunately,
what's up?

Speaker 3 (30:12):
So if you're listening to this on podcasts, I tried
everything and to make this audio clearer. So this is
the best I could get it. So what they're talking
about is Donna Aedelson has been given some paperwork and
she doesn't want to talk about it on the phone.
The kids are at their piano lesson Wendy Aedelson's kids,

(30:35):
and she's calling Charlie, who won't who won't give it
a rest? Who keeps asking her questions, And she says,
I don't want to talk about it over the phone.
I don't want to talk about it over the phone.
So if you can't fully decipher all of it, that's
the gist of this call.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
People kind of sometimes, but you know, fortunately nothing okay,
So I will talk to you. I'll give you the
headstof to go off that way. Thank you, Thank God.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
No, no, no, I love that.

Speaker 11 (31:22):
No no no no, not windy. It doesn't evolve windy.
It doesn't involve windy. Not windy. No, no, no, never windy,
never windy.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Do hear that again? Do hear that little part again?
It's so funny. Let's just say that a little part again.
Let's see if we can go back in here.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
It doesn't involve me or other people.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Wow, thank you? What's that? Probably a coffee channel way,
So let's let's just find some time to talk to
each other.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
And the Okay, you're gonna take a.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Word of that.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Oh come home just before seven, so it's hard to
be talking.

Speaker 10 (32:17):
There or.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Did I miss it? Was it before this? Am I
gonna bore you all again? I have to hear it again.
Now I have to hear it again. Okay, hold on, sorry,
Oh there it is there, It is there, it is okay,
all right, all right, that's right, thank you.

Speaker 11 (32:45):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not Windy. It
doesn't evolve Windy. It doesn't involve Windy. No no, no,
oh never, never, never that Wendy.

Speaker 14 (33:04):
Nothing to do with Wendy and a certain suit to
be ex husband we murdered. No, nothing, it's you know,
just some paperwork, paperwork, gentle paperwork, very important dental paperwork.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
So let me let me just you later.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
And it deserves help, okay, Yeah, doesn't involve me or
other people?

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Well what that probably achieve them?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
See, that would be good. I always think that would
be good for Wendy's defense, And then until I think
about how a reasonable sure would look at that. So
if Wendy ever got arrested, they would I mean, you
would have to be an idiot if you were a
defense lawyer not to play that, right, wouldn't you have
to be an idiot not to play that part of

(34:06):
the undercover But uh, it's not. It's not so helpful
because it's just so over the top. It's like, you know,
she protests too much general, So.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Let's let's just find some time to talk to for Okay,
you're gonna take.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
A word of that.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
I'm home seven jackets here.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
So it's hardy to be toping.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Or tomorrow it's important, all right, I'll be.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
I'll be up to Michi's office. Oh yeah, I'm just
concerned that you have to get up there and get
back and t and she too sat a little earlier
kind of niceness que cruise the paper works time.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
I see them. That's great. And such a king hands
to hand to me. If I like thee go again
today and he does it ranglernonymous or oh no it's
not anonymous, not anonymous. I just don't want to discuss it.
Fun right, whatever is.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Okay, I will it's still quick.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
If you want, I wouldn't bother you, trust me. Yeah,
do you want me to come down to see you
tomorrow at every day off? Yes, that would be wonderful day,
I thought it was later tomorrow. You know, if people
did at one o'clock. We both looked out at the
gym from one thirty day ten thirty.

Speaker 6 (35:59):
So about where whatever it.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Is, I'll people work at the paperwork. Yeah, I hope
it's not the irs. I just would like to review
it and give me some input into what your bloods are.
All right, okay, so come down fromorrow. Dad leaves at twelve,
so anytime after twelve would be good. Twelve month, hiles

(36:22):
the twelve he starts at one day, So twelve, twelve
to fifteen.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
I'll come an answer everything I'll question. That would be great, perfect,
I'll talk to you later.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
We'll let you.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Okay, all right, so.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
We've got it.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Seems like we're picking up mid stride there a little
bit like we might have missed the first couple of words,
and you explain if that's true and.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Why that is.

Speaker 15 (37:03):
Yeah, it could have been a couple of reasons technology
missed it, or it could have been that the minimum the.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Officer, if you're recognizing this is Pat Sandford who came
and arrested Donna the airport, made a special visit.

Speaker 15 (37:24):
And you know, picked it up and hit record button.
A little bit late, just after a few seconds.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
All right?

Speaker 1 (37:29):
And in this call, does Donna Adelson, I mean the
thing she was handed the States Exhibit seventy eight, right,
that's correct. Does she ever mention to the defendant even

(37:51):
the name Dan Markel, No she does not, Danny no jibbers.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
No.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
All right, we've established that the undercover did say the
name Katie to Donna Adelson?

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Does Donna Adelson say the name Katie to the defendant?

Speaker 15 (38:17):
No, she doesn't.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
What does she say?

Speaker 15 (38:21):
She says a girlfriend?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Who does she say? This matter involves not Wendy right right?

Speaker 15 (38:31):
Not Wendy two, the two of them, the two of us,
two of us.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Meaning herself and Charlie Adelson.

Speaker 15 (38:41):
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Is there another call where the defendant calls missus Adelson
back shortly after this?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (38:53):
And is that the next call in the wire?

Speaker 5 (38:55):
It is?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
How long after the first call? Is is this call
that we're about to hear called B.

Speaker 15 (39:04):
From my memory?

Speaker 2 (39:05):
A few minutes?

Speaker 15 (39:05):
I mean I could look you can look on.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
The why are call summary in front of you?

Speaker 15 (39:12):
Two of nine? It was five minutes to call we
just listened to is five minutes long? Lit Over five
minutes this calls it two thirty five.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Okay, so less than half an hour?

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Correct?

Speaker 13 (39:23):
All right?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Published b please you right?

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Hey? How are am? Okay?

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (39:46):
Is it is it me not paying the sun pass?
Let me say, you mind paying my brown and Brownie surves? No, okay,
because whatever I'm gonna just take.

Speaker 8 (40:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
But the thing that is, if you stay with the
same company for three years, they then try to bump
you down until lower bracket.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Oh okay, so it's a good idea.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
To them, So I might as well stay with them
and then hope that that's actually true that they can do.
And they said about putting it in a law where
I can Okay.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
So you want to a cold cable?

Speaker 5 (40:28):
H Yeah, because I told her that my mom would
call her because she's handles like best stuff at the office.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
And then just write and then just send them a
check because they have to have it before I want
to say, twenty ninth or something.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Okay, I.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Didn't do that.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
And listen, whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Whatever someone will send you, I wouldn't. I wouldn't worry
too much about anything, Okay. I mean, so if someone could,
someone can write whatever they want to write. Soon's whatever
you want to say, and it's I I'm not worried
mkasten another bad review on DELP.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
You know there's interview come in. Sometimes the work bad.
This is a particularly particularly bad one. But when I'm
not being sued.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
Yeah, okay, all right, honestly, it's whatever it is. It is,
and I wouldn't just judging from one that you're making
it sound like I wouldn't stress it out too much.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Okay, Okay, that's probably not.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Yeah, listen, people people can always write, people can always
say anything they want. It doesn't you know, someone says
you're a bad Denis, it doesn't mean you're a bad Benis. So,
but anyway, I will. I'll definitely come down. It actually
works out perfectly. It's had the day off.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
You know, I make you take me out to dinner,
so make sure you bring cash with you. All right, Okay,
so I need to bring cash, Yeah exact, if you
take me out to dinner, then I kind of that's prough.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
You couldn't do it, right, Yeah, it was just I
should I should bring cast.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
I don't have much cash to bright. Yeah, okay, I'll
see if I have money for dinner.

Speaker 13 (42:26):
Let's see what I.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Hear, was it someone blackmail in here? A good possibility
you keep someone trying to blackmail you maybe mhmud.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
No, Uh, I mean is this like the most unslick unslick?
I mean that is trying to be uh yeah, I
mean it's like a bad bad yelp review. Well, if
someone says you're a bad dadis not about Dennis, though
Harvey did break someone's jaw doing dental work and then

(43:05):
we had to pay them off civilly, Never mind about
that as someone's not suing me for right dental work.
But I mean, just like if Donna just stuck with
her original plan and got off the phone, I don't
want to talk. I mean, can this guy not take
a hint that she doesn't want to talk about it

(43:25):
on the phone? Not they can't speaking.

Speaker 16 (43:28):
I mean everybody in this family cannot help themselves. They
cannot help themselves. It's like the most unsmooth criminals in
the world. I wouldn't I mean, you know, I wouldn't
worry about that. Yeah, it's just someone blackmailing you.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Strange that he wouldn't say yeah, because River's whole defense
was he was being extorted because that happened to me.
Would they'd be like, yeah, that happened to me, and
I'm paying it off. You know, they put me on
a plate payment plan. Don't worry about it, mom. The
Latin gigs will put they have great payment plans, those
Latin gigs.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
That's crazy.

Speaker 8 (44:12):
Is is there a.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
I don't know what black letter, but is there any
way I.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Could see you?

Speaker 5 (44:19):
You can't come up here at all. It's just going
to be difficult. But they don't finish like the pemic trees.
You wouldn't need to about four fifteen.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
And even if I came up there and got there,
the work would be five fifteen. Wouldn't going to be
tough to you know, makestarily get back here in time
for when people pick them up.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
Was this kind of cand of just asked you this?
It is this anything government related? Or is this like uh,
whack job writing a letter?

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Either like food?

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Is it like a whack job writing a letter to you?
Or is this government related?

Speaker 15 (44:56):
No?

Speaker 4 (44:57):
I don't think. I don't know if it's government really, I'm.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Oh, yeah, it is government related, FBI related. In fact,
I mean, what does this twenty questions? Get off the
freaking phone?

Speaker 17 (45:10):
You know?

Speaker 3 (45:11):
A defense a lawyer is like pulling out his hair
listening to this. Oh it's just so cringing. You know
what strikes me about this listening to it this time
is the intimacy of it. It's just these two are
criminally minded. I mean, you just criminally minded people, and

(45:33):
they love this stuff. They love it. Just make sure
Dad's out of the way. He's a hot head. I mean,
I'm sure Harvey Edelson is another unindicted codes of conspirator,
one that I don't think will ever be held accountable
for this crime. Although I think he knew about it,
but I think it was very you know, he kind

(45:53):
of approved it, but I don't think he was into
any of the planning of it. I think he's too
much of a hot head. But you know, when we
can be alone and we can get into this and
plan it and you know, just a planning and all
the things together, you know, the intimacy, it's almost it
almost feels like, I don't know, almost like a kind

(46:14):
of intense sexual intimacy that they have over this crime together,
these two.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
Government or military or anything like that. Who is the
butter addressed it? Mm hmm to you, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
M did it have a does you know who's sent
it to you? Not a pretty good idea, pretty good
idea that you know, what's either.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
I would like to.

Speaker 15 (46:59):
Get.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Well, I was definitely. I'm just don't know if something
to go back here in time for them, you would
never want to before.

Speaker 15 (47:10):
It.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
So whoever sent you the letter sent you an anonymous letter.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
It's not work? Did they sign it? I can't deliver
for me? So someone showed up? Was it like by
a process or that's what I did?

Speaker 5 (47:30):
It was.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
M It wasn't Where did they Where did they come
to you?

Speaker 1 (47:37):
At?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
When I walked out of the building and the may
go right and I protect both jobs at the icon, right,
and I walked into the dad five feet from pressing
the button so that I could cross the streets because
that's the building, says to me, right, and just because
that was work?

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah, okay, okay, Oh, this is just disgusting. They're the
children that she just they're talking about something related to
the murder that the murder of the these children's father,

(48:22):
and the children are interrupting. Grandchildren are interrupting their murder talk. Oh,
Jerry could not amiss that. But you know, it's almost
like someone so Donna really gets off on all the subterfuge.
Meet me here, let's not talk over the phone. And

(48:42):
it's like Charlie's just clumsily coming in and Donna has
a need to want to talk about it. But it's
like ruining it all. It's how do I say? It's
like a seduction that's like kind of ruined by the
obvious business of the other person. You know, like, oh,

(49:05):
you say you want to meet me in the bathroom
for an affair. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Some guy?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
You are you winking at me because you find me attractive.
It's like, yeah, oh geez, the obviousness. You're ruining it.
You're ruining the moment, you're ruining the mood.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
I'm finished. Oh and he came over hand.

Speaker 9 (49:37):
It was a young guy.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Old guy's so probably their I didn't forget that face. Really, Yeah,
I think I can. I can to go work here.
I'm just constorming that that's your time, you know, word m.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah, all right, it's just not that. It's just it's
not only that Donna is talking in this low tone,
but this is exciting for her. She thinks she's smarter
than law enforcement, better than law They think that they

(50:27):
would get away with this crime, no problem, both of them.
And they did get away with it. For a long
time they thought they were protected, their money protected them.
They're bringing their intelligence. They're not dumb people. But it's
also this is like it's like, you know, she loves it.

(50:52):
She's in love with it, She's in love with the
the secretness of it that you know it. To her,
it's the ultimate exercise of her power and her will.
She loves it. And here and here Charlie is ruining it,
ruining it all with this and tell me how old

(51:13):
was he? Out of twenty questions, she just wants to
meet and she can talk and secret what do you think?
And really go back and forth what should she do?
Because these things don't scare her. They don't scare her.
It's not like she was frightened. It's just another challenge

(51:34):
for Donna to master and show how absolutely masterful she
is of the stuff.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Well, I mean, you have to get into this stuffly
insurance and that's pretty this hand a letter like that
and I don't know us that are.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Just stupid, you know, tomorrow tomorrow And that's Wheams twenty
one is the person is a person like threatening.

Speaker 11 (52:07):
You or.

Speaker 18 (52:11):
You know, you never know how an interest at these teams.
So that's not worry and let's let's me tomorrow. I
think that's better because listen tomorrow the answer them all right,
let me ask you this. Do you want to take
a picture of the letter and send me what's all
intend you?

Speaker 19 (52:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (52:28):
Really don't do them. So it wasn't It wasn't a
government or the military or somebody who's just somewhere a person.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
M hm, that's fucking crazy.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
How long is the letter?

Speaker 4 (52:44):
You know, it's just a copy of the autosma.

Speaker 6 (52:46):
It's written on the letter, but.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
It was written copy of that is a person threatening you?

Speaker 5 (52:56):
You know, I don't think we should m's actually I
think that's what I was kind of saying. If there's
a threat, you go to the police. But yeah, but anyway,
let me that's a good idea. Well let me well,
I don't be see it people prod you gotta go
to the police. But let me let me talk, let
me let me see what it is, let me.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
See what nonsense it is. First.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
It won't be the first time I in thry.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Yeah, but I think you just could just see what
you think because you know right here, right, let's uh so,
let's do that. Let's make it, you know, twelve twenty twelve,
thirty tomorrow, that would be the idea. Okay, okay, you

(53:42):
got it. You play with the bullet bit. I can't.
All right, Yeah, no, I come down, I'll see you
the police. Yeah, okay, all right, it's something serious. You know,
I'm gonna recommend going to the police. Oh no, I
know that's.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
All right, that's okay, all right, you gotta let me nothing.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
So is that what Charlie built his whole defense on.
That's not the first time I've been threatened? Is that
what he built his whole defense on? Is that part
of the tape?

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Does missus Adelson mentioned Dan Marshall in this call?

Speaker 2 (54:29):
No, she doesn't.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
There's mention of going to the police. If there was
a threat, we're going to go to the police. Did
anybody go to the police?

Speaker 5 (54:39):
No?

Speaker 1 (54:41):
And again, does missus Adelson in this call ever mentioned
the name Katie or Catherine Magbanawa?

Speaker 15 (54:49):
No, she doesn't.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Who is the first person that Oh, I'm sorry, We've
got one more call between. Does the defendant call Donna
back one more time?

Speaker 5 (55:00):
He does?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
All right?

Speaker 1 (55:01):
And is this the same date it is. Okay, what
time does this third call happen?

Speaker 15 (55:08):
It happens about three o'clock, about fifteen minutes after the
last call.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
All right, published c Please, you.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Might perceived, boy, they just played Charlie first the schnook,
you know, like that's what I get. I mean, just
if they just kept his mouth shut and just did
what Donna said to do, MIETYA tomorrow probably would be
walking around a free man. Maybe maybe not.

Speaker 11 (55:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
You'd be the judge you think that this is the
I mean, this is not like there's not evidence against
the unindicted co conspirators in this case, but there becomes
a point when there's so much evidence that a prosecutor
feels comfortable going to trial with it. When do you

(56:03):
think he's tipped the scales? Is this when he tipped
the scales? Or was it La delce Vita undercover tape?
Was it that with Katie something else? Let me know
what you think in the comments.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
I'm very excited about that close question, Perise. Well, one
thing I wasn't tell you obviously, don't.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Talk about things in the apartment or any place. The
other thing is was the person black white Hispanic?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
What you got that wrong? Wasn't he Hispanic?

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Wasn't he hispanic? I'll wait till you guys catch up
with me. I would say, the gifts that keeps on giving.
I know we're taking all break from them, from from heavier. Yes,

(57:19):
he was thank you, Debbie, Thanks Debbie.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
And they just they just came out to you and
they said your name, and they handed with his favor
no tatting hands by the way, first for me for
a while, and then.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
The cant to dire really mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
And they really weren't half sunglasses or no nothing, nothing
describe from susu. What's that if you.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Could describe them food chin, No, no nothing. Was the
person nervous or the angry or no calm that could
be totally calm.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
That's really crazy.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Are they Are they trying to ask for money or something?

Speaker 20 (58:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Yeah, but it's someone trying to know. It's something like that.
I probably like to go to the police, but I mean,
and they have to rather salk to you first, and
then yes.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't, you know. You know, there's there's
scumbags out all the time. They're trying to do stuff
like that.

Speaker 20 (58:27):
So that's why I just want to see because I
don't want you know what your father upset, don't don't
seem that they can look at it that.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Everything. That's why I suggested, because it works. Want did
the person give your anth?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
You notice she doesn't want to talk. She doesn't want
Harvey out of it because he doesn't know anything about this.
She doesn't want her plans spoiled out in the open.
She doesn't want to Harvey to think that they have
anything to do with a murda. No, it's not that,
it's just that he'll fly all. He's a hothead. This
is why I think that he was generally kept out

(59:12):
of a lot of the details. But he knew, he
was in on the original planning. He knows, he knows,
and apparently he's a big part of the snitch Drina Burkhardt.
So she's a snitch for she was at Leon County
with Donna and she's going to testify that Donna was

(59:36):
offering we don't know what was it commentsary, was it money,
was it something else? But offering things for people to
testify favorably for her. Again again, Donna makes it so

(59:58):
hard on herself makes some of the best evidence against herself.
Not that I'm sad about it, but does anybody know
when Wendy's Oh, that's something that's a question for you
know who Patty's playhouse. She's up on all the details
of the Reynolds kind of like time, all the properties,

(01:00:20):
agles and properties. It's not my area of expertise.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Yeah, no, okay, I yeah, that's clear. That's what is
the What do they ask for? You know, I don't
know that she is probably she is probably about five.

(01:00:50):
They asked you for five thousand dollars. That's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Oh, isn't it so cringey? Is this the most cringey
call in the history the world? The TV was about five?
Just too much, he says, in these called stalhouse calls.
There's too much TV talk, too much TV talk, TV
TV Repairman, TV five. You and Wendy ruined it crazy,

(01:01:24):
But it's just it's so artless. And here's Donna, you know,
like she thinks she's an Alfred Hitchcock movie or Double
Indemnity or something, you know, And here's Charlie here to
ruin it with his with his obviousness and his flat footedness.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 12 (01:01:48):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 21 (01:01:51):
Mentioned you an next girlfriend. Hi found here Cobordian, how
are you? Okay, that's crazy, I don't let me. Let
me take a look at it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
M hm. And then and then I'll go from there. Okay,
do that one.

Speaker 13 (01:02:14):
Yeah, that would be coot.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
Okay, let me let me take a look, and then
I'll u if you wanted, because the dinner reads, you know,
let's see where we'll go.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
Yeah, I'll go down in the afternoon and I'll take you.
I'll take a look or whatever. Yeah, we'll go for
a walk on the beature something nice.

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
All right, sounds goody?

Speaker 6 (01:02:35):
Okay, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
God love you?

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
Chopinion party, Yes, and this called.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Does the defendant tell his mother obviously don't talk about
things in the apartment or any place he does. What
is the significance to your investigation of the reference to
a TV? This TV is probably about five.

Speaker 15 (01:03:06):
He had made statements like Whyndy Edelsen made the statement
that he had offered to have a hit man hired
early on but thought it would be cheaper to have
a TV to buy a TV as a divorced present,
all right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
And what about the use of the word five. This
TV is probably about five.

Speaker 15 (01:03:28):
And the five thousand is what was written on the
paper that the undercover had provided.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
All right, and this call was an ex girlfriend mentioned?
Or the term ex girlfriend?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Where is pat Sanford from? Originally? What is that accent?
It's really pleasant? Does anybody know what is his accent?
I know it's some what exactly? Stay? Is that so pleasant?
He always looks like he smells good. That's that's the girlfriend?

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Okay, did was it ever set up to this point?

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
It's Georgia, Thank you to your patriot, Lady Georgia. Yeah,
it's so lowly, isn't it so lowly?

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Who's ex girlfriend?

Speaker 15 (01:04:17):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
The name Katie or Katherine mcbanea at all? And does
the defendant in this case has evidence revealed he has
a lot of ex girlfriends?

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
That's correct.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Who is the next.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Person that he calls after these? We've got three calls
with his.

Speaker 15 (01:04:35):
Mother, Katherine mcbanwell.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Published d please.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Right, not Massachusets. We had a lot of massa chiefs
accent Ray Rose. We've had a lot of that. We've
had a lot of that. Oh, what a heartbreak, What
a heartbreak? That's like ninety percent of the content of
this on this channel, Feel bad True Crime criminals getting off,

(01:05:20):
getting their conviction, overturned convict, you know, convincing the public
some nonsense. Yeah. I thought Hank Brennan was a sharp

(01:05:47):
dresser enough, but I really, really my heart is with
Adam Lalley. Mean to be honest, I was always kind
of lukewarm about Hag. I thought his openings was great.
I thought his clothing was great. But I really like

(01:06:08):
Adam Lley. I know, I know, I know, I know
he isn't a dynamic to watch, but I do, you know, ultimately,
when I look back, I think he was more effective prosecutor.
I know I'm in the minority. I know, I know,
but I do I think that was a strangely the
more effective case.

Speaker 15 (01:06:28):
He was.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Someplace you could talk to about what are you? Any
place that you can talk about? What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
It's similarly, there's not loud where I'm talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
It was like, wow, like I can't, Yeah, okay, I'm
trying to walk outside and talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
This is just a bonus. This is just a bonus.
I think these are interesting. These are going to all
come into Donna's trial. Does anybody want to hear one more?
I mean, I mean kind of done with the TV.
I'm just kind of this is just sort of I mean,
I think I've made my point. I think, you know,
if you want to hear hear him say it one
more time, let me just switch back. Hold on one second.

(01:07:20):
So did I just stop sharing?

Speaker 12 (01:07:24):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
I didn't. Okay, hold on, let me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Where am I?

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Oh? I know what I'm doing. I'm sharing video. Hold
on one second, so let me just share my screen.

Speaker 17 (01:07:38):
So just to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Just to make my case one more time, and then
we're going to just listen to that just for fun,
just another or undercover call, just for fun.

Speaker 13 (01:07:53):
This is my video here.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
This is.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
For alibi and so out there, What was the only
answer you have and a sous use your house and
does choke up the street?

Speaker 13 (01:08:06):
It's just so stupid, it's ridiculous. It's so stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
It's gonna here's the thing. Wasn't the most obvious answer?

Speaker 13 (01:08:16):
I just want to see if it was done?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
You want to help, right, So why did Wendy leave
her alibi one more time?

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Just one more time?

Speaker 9 (01:08:27):
Your answer the simplest answer, it's the real answer. It's
not I mean, what's the most obvious answer for Wendy.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
Leaving her her alibi and they're showing up there. What
was the only answer you have?

Speaker 13 (01:08:44):
And a sous leuse your house and does choke up
the so stupid ridiculous, it's so stupid, it's gonna here's
the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
What's the most obvious answer?

Speaker 13 (01:08:57):
I just want to see if it was done. Couldn't help.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Okay, I think I proved my case there, but you
know that's what you're saying. She couldn't she couldn't help herself.
What's the most obvious answer for Wendy? I mean, you
don't leave your alibi. You you know, if you don't
know murders happening, you don't need an alibi. You're just
doing what you do, right, And that's what the Aedelson's

(01:09:30):
said all along, And they say, I mean they you
kind of got to get into the spirit of these
calls and how they're how they talk to each other
because they know they're being recorded. But it's all coincidence.
It was all coincidence. But there's where Charlie slips. I mean,
we picked these words for a reason. You what he
should have said, is she left having her TV repaired?

(01:09:54):
Why did she have to leave to ever TV repaired why?
And it sounds like those that last minute get together
with friends may have also been her alibi where they

(01:10:14):
found her. So if that wasn't enough, if the TV
wasn't enough, if it didn't cover enough span of time,
then she had to get liquor.

Speaker 17 (01:10:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
The strangely she kept the receipt there for that for
the bullet bourbon.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Odd.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
I mean that thing is so odd, right, isn't it?
So the more I think about it, I thought, I
did you know, I wondered if this was a real thing,
But now I think this made may have been a
real invite. I just find it so weird that they're
all asked to bring the same thing. Why would you
want to stock the bar with one one kind of drink?

(01:10:57):
You know? So it says on the corner, please bring
bullet barb or some other thing. And she didn't buy
bullet borbon.

Speaker 13 (01:11:04):
She brought.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Bullet rye whiskey, so she didn't even so I always
wondered if this was the real invite, but now I
think it might be. Really this is the invite that
everybody got, and not something created by by the Agelesoen family.

(01:11:29):
I mean, that's what I was wondering after the fact.
I mean, there's that's the stock the bar party invite
odd right, Okay, so this is just a little extra.
Does anybody wanted to listen with me? I'm just in
the mood to listen to Katie's call. If anyone's still

(01:11:53):
with me, anybody down with the little Katie's call? I
hope so, but usually I would end that. So there,
since it's all complete and on topic. But here's a
little extra fun.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
To get outside.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
You met it off the ground, all right, somebody hang on, Okay,
can you hear me? Okay, I can hear Okay. I

(01:12:30):
just I just want you to listen to me. They
will to talk to you, uh person when I see
you tomorrow, okay, because I don't know what's going on.
M but my mom walked the kids. I only heard
part of the story, and I'm I'm gonna go down
there and talk to her tomorrow to find out what's
going on. She didn't want to elaborate, but she said

(01:12:53):
that's so on a proach her on the street called
her by name mm hmm, handed her an envelope with
something in it, and somebody was she really was going
to detail and I don't I have no idea what
it is in reference to, but something regarding our son,

(01:13:16):
something regarding his next girlfriend and the person.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Hey Mia, so nice to see you. What I meant
was I thought the get together was real. I thought
the stock the Bar party was real, but I didn't
know if this invite was something created by the Adolesen family.
Is kind of like an alibi, you know how good
they are at photoshop things, because I found it so weird,

(01:13:47):
this thing like please bring you know, you see that
little tag up at the left. So for those listening
on podcasts, there's a little tag out in the stock
the Bar party invite that says, you know, my eyesight
isn't great from here, but the bride and groom ask

(01:14:12):
that like just basically bring bullet bourbon. It's worded oddly,
help the bride and groom. Well, help the bride and
groom stock the bar for their wedding by bringing a
bottle of bullet bourbon or your favorite wine or spirit.

(01:14:34):
I mean, why would they want all bullet bourbon? I mean,
everybody would bring the same thing, it's pretty much or
your favorite, but they really wanted bullet bourbon. Why did
they want so much bullet bourbon. It was odd, but
now I think it really. This is probably the invite
that everybody got. Hard to know because it went out

(01:14:59):
through email. I don't know how those things are verified.
But yeah, that's what I meant. I knew the party
was real. I just thought it was an odd invite. Yeah,
I don't know has anyone produced this has come out.
I don't know if it's been verified. I don't know.
Everybody passes this thing around and says, this is the

(01:15:22):
real thing, and I've never been one hundred percent sure
it is the real thing, but maybe looks like it
might be looks more and more like it might be real.

Speaker 5 (01:15:31):
Asked me my mom for somebody why Yeah, so I said,
I'm like, perfect, you're saying. I thought it was like
something involved in the I R s yeah, or something
like that. So I don't even know what about at all.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Somebody that they bumped into your mom like that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
Well, they came up to her on the street after
she dropped the kids off at school. I guess you
bought out the school. I don't even know, but they
must know her routine and must know who she is.
They walked up, they called her by name editor an envelope.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
She said they spoke to her for a few minutes. Yeah,
and then she said there, you know, they would make
me a reference to my ex girlfriend to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Kind of what that's about.

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
Yeah, and then uh, they are explained that they needed
to be paid the money. Well why I remeb mom
didn't want to talk to me on the phone. Was like, oh, yeah,
that's what I said. I said someone's going to try
blackboy or something.

Speaker 11 (01:16:43):
Like that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
I said, you got to go trink the police. Because
she's like, I don't even know what this is about.
I don't I don't want to talk about it, and
I want to take a picture and similar it is.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
He's like, I just want to ape the person. So
I'm going to go to I can't even go there
today because I won't get at work for the ten.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
O'clock at night. So she's like, I don't know, I
don't know what's going on. What my mom was, You
didn't do anything with my mom, okay, checking I don't.
I don't know, but your mom person just going to

(01:17:21):
your mom like hell yeah, and my mom said it
involved your ex girl friend.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
So I don't even I don't Katie was offered full
immunity if she just did the right thing and came
forward with everything, and and she blew it. She I
believe she had the Adelson's in her ear. I don't
know who paid for her lawyers two trials, but I

(01:17:47):
know that there was some in camera meetings, meaning so
those are judges chamber meetings that aren't recorded. So we'll
never know what proof she was given that she really
was paid for it in the atal cns were But
I know money can be moved around, you know, and
I know her sister was involved in embezzling money, but

(01:18:10):
I don't think it went towards her defense. I may
be wrong. I could be wrong. This is just a hunch.
And her lawyer told her she could fight it and
that the evidence wasn't strong. She was terrible on the stand.
I knew she would be great on the stand in
Charlie's trial. Something. You know, all the long crime talking

(01:18:37):
heads Core TV talking heads were saying, oh, no, Katie,
she's already lied on the stand. She's already. I said no,
because people understand why people lie, you know, in Italy,
they assume that you're going to lie underd if if

(01:18:59):
you have something. If you're facing they assume you're lied,
you know, they assume you're gonna lie on or oath
is we don't have this like it's very kind of
like a different take. So, I mean, everybody got I
don't really believe it was because she didn't want to
or the father of her kid was said kids or kids?

(01:19:21):
Is it just one kid or two? Help me out?
I don't remember now her children. I think it's more
than one. Yeah, children was facing life and she was out.
I don't think it was all about herself, and she
thought she could get away with it. And Charlie Adelson
told her she had a reason excuse for everything. This

(01:19:43):
is the way he sees the legal system. If you
have an excuse, then you have reasonable doubts. So the
Adolson standard of beyond a reasonable doubt is beyond any doubt.
If you have any doubt at all, if there's any
alti hernative story or explanation, then you have to go
with that. And he runs through this again and again,

(01:20:07):
and I it's so frustrating that you would to like
break through the line and be like, excuse me, Donna, huh, Donna, Donna,
you're saying it's beyond any doubt. It's not beyond any doubt,
it's beyond a reasonable doubt. The doubt has to be reasonable.
Charlie Edelson's alternative reasons were not reasonable, not believable, and

(01:20:32):
it sounded like he took all the evidence and tailored
a story to it. That's what it sounds. And you
have very and so Luise Rivera became and Katie mcbanawa
became very good witnesses. You know, my girlfriend is like,
why are you even interested in this case? It's so obvious,
this is the most obvious case. But I think it's

(01:20:56):
just such an to me. I don't know these I
feel like I can understand the Adolesen family very well
my background. Maybe it's a Jewish.

Speaker 5 (01:21:05):
Thank you you're my last girlfriends.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
That's what.

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
Is what I want of that. I had no idea.
So anyway, I'm gonna find out what they wanted money,
I know exactly did she tell you that? Kind of like.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Thank you, Debbie? It's a boy and a girl. I
thought it was too thank you. Thank you guys appreciate
it with the kids and.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
It's just as shared as the day off tomorrow. But
she's like, come down and.

Speaker 13 (01:21:37):
Uh, and talk to me.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
So I'm going down tomorrow to talk to me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Oh did he miya? Hold on Miya Mia? With the
tea here? Chris? Because it was set and trial, you
were offered full immunity. So what was christ Acost published
in Instagram comment thread that Katie was not offered to
one hundred percent full immunity as in walk Away Free.

(01:22:04):
It's so interesting. Do you remember Mia? When Chris Acost
was when Katie was about to testify, they just like
threw her up on the stand and he was not
on board with this. You can see how angry he gets.
He's like, I am not I'm not down with this.
This is not a good idea to throw Katie up
on the stand. And her female lawyer, who I'm forgetting

(01:22:31):
the name of right now, insists on doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
And then I don't remember anything to do with you.
If they're mentioning you or any reference to you, I'll
keep your hours. Why do do you mean I don't know?

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Yeah, please send it to me. Send it to me.
As you know, I'm not very active on Instagram. I'm
trying to change that. I'm really locked out of my account.
If anybody can help me out, get back a caun't
I'm like connected through Facebook with another thing that I'm
rarely on, and now I'm like locked out. I can't

(01:23:08):
really post on Instagram, only on my phone, so it's
really kind of useless to me. So if anybody has
any contacts on Instagram, let me know. Report a glass
twenty three to Gmail can help me get back into
my Instagram account. I appreciate it just kind of goes
round and round.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Well, we'll talk it to be any so I just
assume that anyway doesn't it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
Matter, so I may want to see you tomorrow if
it does have anything here. If it doesn't, then I
feel like a idi for even bothering waste from your tongue.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
Like, what the hell I thought that was.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
The mom with the guy working classes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
I have covered it, Anna, I don't know what more
to say about it. And then one than one episode,
but I did cover it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
I was like, no, I can take a person out
of line up.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
In a second. They came over to me. They spoke
to me very politely. They had it was a white
male in the thirties, no happening lasses, just the white
male in the thirties came with her and who she
was an addresser anyway see here or there? I feel

(01:24:25):
like an idiot is some other act. But anyway you can.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
Do you have any fighting with me?

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
I don't know. I mean maybe I should just be
calling everybody there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
No, yeah, you usually try to find out.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
I thought when I spoke to my mom she'd send
it and they mentioned your main in it. That's why
I was following you. But I'm feel like an idiot
for did so.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Anyway, are you working tomorrow with Sutort?

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:24:55):
Yeah, but you can always talks while you're there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
It doesn't matter, all right, what time you finished forth?
Thank you?

Speaker 12 (01:25:02):
All right, let me know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
What's time you finished worth tomorrow? Oh, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 19 (01:25:09):
Well, like I told him, like, I'm usually between like
my thirty two, you're going to get up, okay, any
kind between ninet thirty two, like three years four?

Speaker 5 (01:25:21):
Is?

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
It defends?

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Like today?

Speaker 5 (01:25:24):
I was like super like, tay, Okay, I got to
get back in there. I'm going to be in Miami,
and when I'm done hanging out down there, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Gonna Oh Patriot lady, it's Georgia. Pat Sanford is from Georgia,
I mean from Alabama. Sorry not Georgia. Huh interesting, thank
you Alabama. I'm gonna have to listen again and then
listen to an Alabama accent and Georgia accent and see.

Speaker 22 (01:25:53):
Yeah, yeah, I'm like right there as well to figure
somewhere on for I'll see all right, no worries, marry,
haven't been a day of feculator.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
In this call, we hear Charlie Adelson say that the
undercover mentioned something about her son, meaning that the undercover
mentioned something about him. Did the undercover mention anything about
Charlie Adelson anything about Charlie Adelson's ex girlfriend?

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Not in those words that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
He did say. The name Katie came in TUTO correct, correct,
but didn't specify your son, your son's ex girlfriend anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
In this call, we hear the defendants stating that Katherine
Macbanila was his last ex girlfriend and that's why he's
calling her. Is it true based on the evidence that
was collected in this case that Katherine macbanill wasn't backed
his last day girlfriend?

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
So he had other girlfriends in between Katherine Macvanalah and
the bump.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
That's correct, including who Whitney kick?

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Okay, did he call Whitney Kick at all on the wire?

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Did he ever call any other ex girlfriends other than
Katherine macbanlah about this matter?

Speaker 15 (01:27:21):
Not about this matter now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Okay, all right, so that's all the underwire calls for today.
Whitney Kick wasn't called screenely what a name, Whitney Kick.
But just this is such a case about all the
wrong values, you know, I mean, money, greed. I just

(01:27:55):
think that Agelsen's had to win at every Winning was
such an important part of the Adolesen persona. You know,
nobody beats the Adolson family. We're going to win it
all costs, and you have these and I think what
makes it interesting to me is that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
This was not a.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Idea that was foreign to Dan Markel, who Harvard was
the only place he wanted to go the most certainly
the most famous, top top school in America. I'm not
sure that you know whatever you want to say about
the reputation of the school. If you say Harvard to anyone,

(01:28:45):
that is, you know, one of the hardest schools in
the country to get into, and it comes with a heavy,
heavy name. He understood the power of achieving. Wendy Adelson's
two top of her class at brandeis nothing to sneeze
at full scholarship, etc. Or whatever scholarship that she was
on was didn't she get scholarship to Brandise? Might wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Am that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Graduated? Magnum cum lattie. All these things, these achievements, these
status symbols, these power, money, everything is the most important thing.
And winning, right, being seen as a winner and not caving,
you know, serting your will over over over whatever, achieving

(01:29:36):
and winning. So yeah, I mean just and when it
comes to the Adolesen family, you know, there's supposed to
be such a tight family, seen as the perfect family.
But when things go down, when things when they need

(01:29:57):
each other, everybody looks after number one, right, So you
see the you see Donna and Harvey not showing up
for Charlie Edelson's trial, not showing up, I mean just
not a day of his trial that they show up

(01:30:17):
for because they're so concerned in preserving themselves. And that's
the kind of mindset that they taught their children. So
that's what I have for today. That should explain Charlie
Aedelson can't help. But from the mouth of convicted murderers
comes the truth. Wendy Adelson left her alibi and went

(01:30:41):
to the scene of the crime because she wanted to
see if it was done. She couldn't help her herself
a rational The most obvious answer is often the truth.
She couldn't help herself. Basically, what he's saying is, I
wouldn't be convicted if it weren't for Wendy, you mom
with too much TV talk. TV's abat five, too much

(01:31:04):
TV talk. All right, I'll be back again with more
Adolsen coverage. We're gearing up for Donna Adelson's trial August
starts August nineteenth. All right, so I have a great one. Guys,
thanks for listening. Please hit the thumbs up, subscribe to

(01:31:24):
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Speaker 17 (01:31:36):
Links are always in the description. Have a great night, everyone,

(01:32:00):
to stitch your head.

Speaker 23 (01:32:02):
You got it a murder because you wanted to raise
your daughter's kids. Tama has he is just to stop
on the way to civilization. Miami is where all the
fancy people are. The TV is about five. You can't

(01:32:25):
get away from that. Toutoe tato huho.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
You know the guy you pay me?

Speaker 23 (01:32:33):
Then you can't get away from that odn go to
stitch your head. You thought chall was just for the
little people, but now you're so like it's with the
locked up proof your grandmother is locked down and your
one way ride to feed them your blue gona. What

(01:33:10):
a stitch your head. Your family are exiled from the
social circles you swam in.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
The all No, you never.

Speaker 23 (01:33:20):
Made that banana break your offer to babysit for dance,
but you'll soon be make in license plates and thinking
double could have been.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Oh gone, You had to plan a murder

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
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