September 28, 2022 • 43 mins
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Cheeps fans, football Fans, podcastfans alike. Welcome a board. I'm
Jordan Footing. This is The Roughand the Kicker Podcast to Kansas City Cheaps
Podcasts and association with Aarhead report.As always, hope you guys are having
a wonderful day. Thanks for makingus a part of it. And what
that said, let's jump into today'sshow. Got Connor Christopherson back with me
for another Rough and the Mailbag segment. You guys can follow Connor on Twitter
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at Connor with an E Underscore DKCConnor. How's it going, buddy,
It's going great. I've been enjoyingthe I'm just I just lead off with
the weather every time. I'm likethe one person where they say, you
know, small talk, don'll evertalk about the weather, but I talk
about the weather. I've been joiningthe weather by playing Pokemon Go and going
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on some walks recently so that veterans, which is fun to do in midtown
because there's actually stuff around to doPokemon Go stuff with. So I'm enjoying
that. I know I did notenjoy this week, and not only because
of the Chiefs game, but becauseof the I think literally worst way I've
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seen one of my teams lose ina long while, with Missoo losing the
Auburn. Yeah, you saw theend of that game, Jordan, Right,
yeah you got. I'm sorry itwas that. I don't if you
did not, if anybody did notsee the end of that game, go
look up the highlights on YouTube.Just relish in the absolute buffoonery that is
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Missoo football. So bad it's it'sterrible. And yes, sadly Kansas is
better right now? Yeah, okay, you better. I know what'll make
you feel better. Let's do arough in the mail bag and let's kick
it off with Mike Denny the bestquestions, the best stuff, Big Mike,
every week, Big Mike. Thisone is a doozy. Maybe says
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now that the Chiefs lost, theyhave to fire everyone who's your top candidate
for head coach, GM owner andquarterback. Only remaining pieces are as Aah
Pacheco and Eric b enemy. Um. I actually put some thought into this,
like I I genuinely, have youactually answered it? Yeah? I
actually answered it. I think,did you not? Connor? Oh?
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What the hell? I mean?I can I can do all. This
is a real situation. I thoughtwe're gonna use this to go into like
talking about Eric B enemy. Butoh, I mean we could do that.
I did the podcast on Monday withMark. I did not Mark brought
up the thing, and I literallyjust sat there and let him talk him
as like, those are my thoughts, Like, I don't have any thoughts
on it. So I think theEric B enemy shits overblown. I think,
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um, it's kind of getting outmy nerves a little bit. Like
do I think he's perfect? No? Do I think this is last year
in Kansas City? Yes? DoI think that there's a reason why he
isn't getting head coach jobs? Ido? Do I know what that answer
is? No? Um, dowe know what happens behind closed doors in
the Chiefs organization? Usually not.And those are my thoughts. I will
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add nobody should be listening to whatlas Shaun McCoy thinks because if people forget
Andy Reid ended that man's career thatwas already so he called him like a
little pup or something. He wasn'tthe youngest pup in the kettle and said
like it's hard to accept when you'reon the back nine of your career,
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the backside of it, I waslike, holy smokes, ruthless. So
it's obvious that Andy Reid doesn't evenlike care what let's Shawn McCoy thinks,
so nobody else should. We hadJeff Allen and Jamal Charles coming out in
support of EB today and Jamal liketrying to get the dude fired at one
point. So like if Jamal's likecoming to first day, yeah, so
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like if he's coming to his defense, then people and like the number one
thing that is really all that needsto be sent needs to be said here.
If Patrick Mahomes didn't want Eric BEnemy to be his offensive coordinator,
guess what wouldn't happen. Eric BEnemy wouldn't be his bleeping offensive coordinator.
Like that's just point blank period myopinion and how it is. I think,
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yeah, and I think I agreewith people that it might be time
for them to separate, go separateways, just because I think the offense
does need fresh ideas in the building. I just don't buy like a lot
of the reasons that people are sayingthat they need to separate. I think
it's just he they obviously there wassomething going on because they didn't like bring
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them back immediately and they had tolike have a meeting with him and stuff
to talk about it, so it'sobvious they were still thinking on it.
I just don't think, like,I don't think the fight in quotes with
Mahomes before the half was anything atall, Like even watching it, why
do people think that was anything ofnose? I don't think it was.
It was obvious that it was aholistic coaching decision to kick the field goal.
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Do people really think Eric b Enemyhas the final say on sending out
the field goal kicker there? Nope? So is he the head coach?
Like Eric? What is the headcoach by the Chiefs? Some people might
think so, God without they talkunreal, It's unreal, man. I
do think I am on board.I don't. I don't even want people
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saying like, oh yeah, lethim go and mcnaggio offensive coordination. No,
they need somebody new, they needsomebody fresh. Sorry, I wouldn't
mind it. Their running game.Actually, I do like a lot of
the running game concepts, so Ithink that might be and they do run
a lot of I think duo aninside zone, which is any read would
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keep that dude in check, LikeI think if there's one like you could
have a pair of creative masterminds quoteunquote obviously with Cliff, but like Andy
Reid could get the best out ofCliff without the bad. I think.
I think Cliff is not a goodhead coach. Is he's a bad head
coach, But I think or quarterbackcoach or whatever he can he can design
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plays I think really well too.And he's younger mine. He's been in
more modern college offenses recently. Ijust don't think. I don't even know
if you want him to like schemeup your entire offense either, but as
like a quarterbacks coach, like paramwith Mahomes again, if he wants that,
sure, why not? There's yourOT. Did we talk about OT
for this? Oh we didn't.We didn't because the enemy six in this
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scenario that Mike brought up. BecauseI do think, I think Cliff,
I don't know. It just feelsweird there that the whole Arizona operation feels
weird. You might be gone afterthis year. Yeah, And they extended
him before Kyler, which is anindictment on the Cardinals being a poverty franchise.
Yeah, if I so, ifI was going to pick any GM,
I know a GM especially I won'twant Howie Roseman. Really, he's
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up there for me, He's inmy top three. I just love the
way he operates. That Eagles teamis ridiculous. Now Yeah, and I
love all his trades. It alwaysseems like he has logic behind them.
That a J. Brown trade wasso smooth. Um, So I would
definitely pick Howie for a GM.Um, who who do you have for
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head coach? So I'm gonna justgonna run through for quarterback. I picked
Josh Allen just because I love himand just traded. I just traded for
Josh and I one of my fancyleagues, my better money one. Um.
I had Herbert, but the theRashawn Slater news and his ribs and
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Alan being hurt, the vibes aren'tthere. So I just sold the farm
to go get Alan because he's gonnabe he is that dude. Yeah,
he's sent dude. Um. Ipicked Robert Kraft spy Odor and I feel
bad because like he's a pos dudeobviously, and he's old as hell.
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Um, But I don't know.I just don't really unless we're picking an
external like entity like Jeff Bezos orEli. I have that controversial opinion.
If I was guaranteed the chiefs no, God, Um, if I was
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guaranteed the chief would stay in KansasCity by this owner, like guarantee guarantee,
Um, I would pick stand Crunky. He's the goat. You know,
I have less stayed in Sean McVeaghas my head coach. He privately
funded so far. He constantly handget the Rams have constantly signed big contracts
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that require the owner to put downa lot of money. Um, and
so he's constantly done that. He'slet them let less sneed operate however he
wants. I like how his handsoff there. Um. He's a great
owner for the Rams who are inLA. If I had assurances he would
stay in Kansas City, he seemslike a really good owner that would shall
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money. No, I still don'tlike him because, yeah, there's a
lot of reasons to hate the guyfor sure. As if you're a RAMS
owner right now, you would loveto have Stan Cronky as your owner.
Yeah, I think just go downthe line of the Rams for me then,
Like, obviously I'm podcast a Ramssuper Bowl shirt, But um,
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Sean McVay head coach or John Harbaugh, those are my top two. I
really like how Hard. I likeMike Tomlin, but I just don't know
how he would put somewhere else,which isn't fair because like, I don't
know how Harba stuff is. Justlike, yeah, come on, man,
Tomlin's in my top three, butI wouldn't want him Harbar McVeigh.
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And then Steve Brandon Bean or Howieis my GM. I think Brandon Bean
is a good job. Yeah,or Connor that'd be an option too.
This isn't you're you're not transitioning tothe end of it podcast, which that's
your usually transition. We're ten minutesin and we just finished the first question
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since we got to. Also,the Chief signed a kicker today. I'm
gonna be honest with you, man, I don't know who he is.
I can't remember the dude's name.I read the report before we came on.
Um, that's shame on me,very very big shampoo practice squad Matthew
Ryan. Okay, I was gonnasay they signed Matt Ryan to the practice
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squad? What I think? That'syou wrong? Am I right? I
had heard last week that Bucker wasthey were aiming for this. Zach Eisen,
who is hashtag tapped in. Umhe had heard the same thing.
So I was like, okay,well I'm all the right tracker, we
know the same people. Yes,they're targeting last week. They were targeting
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this Sunday for Bucker. That wasbefore he had what no practice all week
last week for his swelling to godown. It seems like, yeah,
it seems like once the pain istolerable in the swellings down, he's going
to be like, there may notbe limited, like he might just jump
in and be full. I don'tknow if that's going to be the case.
I don't know what days is anegal sprain that he plants on stills.
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I mean, but he did kicklike basically one leg at that one
time, so maybe, and he'sbeen doing one steppers and all that stuff,
so obviously different than a game.UM. I did an article on
everheadreport dot com. You can checkit out if you want to on the
cheap's options. One of them wasrevisit the kicker Derby or free agent market.
One of them was Butcker being healthy. One of them was justin Reid.
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Those all have very different possibilities andprobabilities. I would lean Dave Tobe
said hobbled. Buckers better than mostkickers, but like, if he's not
one hundred percent, I don't thinkthey'd let him go out there and do
extra points and feel about if he'sninety percent, I think they would take
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him off kickoff duty justin may dothat and let Bucker do field goals in
extra It is nice. That wouldbe nice. I would do that.
I know they'd like like to dropit down at the one yard line too,
but the whole game. Just kickit through. It's twenty five yards,
like take your yards, be happy, call it a day. Yeah,
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for sure, speaking and being happyand no, no big segue.
Um Connor's mom is nice enough todrop us some old bad question. She
says, thoughts on the new ProBowl format, thumbs up or thumbs down?
I think I like it. Leadingquestion, when was the last thing
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you watch the Pro Bowl five yearsago? Maybe? Yeah, that's about
me too. I would you bemore likely now to watch because of Yes?
I think that's that's me too.I think i'd be more likely to
watch. I think, and thisis gonna sound weird, I think the
injury risk is not only still there, but it might be heightened now.
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It might be more playing football.I think the players are gonna like give
a shit about this, like they'regonna actually care about flag football. Yeah
they will. Yeah, I likeit. I think the skills, challenges
and stuff are cool, so Idon't it's funny, it's dumb. I
think it's gonna age like the Washingtonfootball team. Everyone at first like ha
ha, this is so stupid.Then after about a year after you see
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it, you're gonna be like,hey, this was actually kind of cool
when they turn into the Commanders,which we mean the NFL turns into I
don't know what they do with ProBowl, but I like it for now.
Yeah I do too. It's justthe Pro Bowl was dead the minute
the players decided we don't want toplay for real in this game. It's
terrible. At least the real gameit was dead then, So either it
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was just hobble along with that ortransition to this, and I like this.
I think I would actually think abouttuning in now, especially for the
flag football game. Um And Ithink players will go now, to be
at least for this year's because it'sin Vegas, so that's a pretty good
vacation spot for players. UM SoI think it'll be better, So thumbs
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up for me. Yeah, I'mwith you. Um. This one's an
interesting one. I don't think peoplewould know by the time this podcast comes
out. Brandy Bergheimer, I hopeI pronounced that ride. I'm usually decent
with names. He says, wherewill the game be played on Sunday?
It seems like Minnesota is the popularfavorite. The Clubhouse New Orleans was New
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Orleans also floated, I think peopleshould Tampa. Yeah, Tappa Um.
I think by Wednesday afternoon or eveningor Thursday morning, people will know what's
gonna happen. I'm gonna lean thatit's sticks. I think in Thursday afternoon
they think, so they're gonna couldI saw somebody say they're gonna wait as
long as they can, and thatcould think of the morning. It could
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be Friday morning. So I'm gonnalean Tampa. But like I honestly don't
know at all. I would stillguess Tampa right now. I think the
hurricanes impacting Tampa early enough to whereAnd it's really hard to stay with hurricanes
because you don't know extent of damageuntil it actually lands. If you don't
know, I was a meteorology majorfor bits. And I love hurricanes,
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so I love them in the senseof they're they're cool, not in the
sense of the billions of dollars ofdamage and lives they disrupt. Yeah,
I'm glad you clarified that, Connor. We were starting a weird vibe.
Yeah, I bet you were.So I think they have to wait and
see the extent of the damage.Also, storm surge is the big one.
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Um. I don't think the windsor the rain will really be the
issue. Um, I don't know. But the stadium for the Tampa's inland,
so honestly, I think it is, isn't It isn't all I think
so. Yeah, So where thestadium is matters as well. If it's
not around damage, I think theymight just have it in Tampa. I
mean, Florida's used to hurricanes,so yeah, I know Tampa hasn't gotten
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a direct hit in a while.So, and it is from the tracks
I've seen, it's going to beon the bad side of the hurricane.
Little known tidbit. The bad sideof the hurricane is the side that rotates
into land because all those winds iswhat pushes storm search onto land, which
is the ocean rising. Certain amountof feet. So you're not getting this
anywhere else, Guys, you finda cheaps podcast, I can tell you
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that, and I'll tell you you'rea liar. Right. So, if
the Eye truly does hit just northof Tampa, bringing in all those winds
and storm search, yeah, Icould see New Orleans or Minnesota being a
possibility. But it's we just haveto kind of see where the hurricane lands.
Yep. It's it's a tough businessguessing where hurricanes are going to land,
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and especially for people who, likeme or not former meteorology majors and
don't have much of a clue thisquestion. Though. I'm excited to get
your thoughts on this because I havea lot of thoughts on this question.
Jacob Millham, what do you thinkabout the cheap splits in twenty twenty two?
I'm going to read them out foryou guys. So shotgun one hundred
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and thirty nine place three point threeyards per carry, seven and a half
yards per pass attempt, one hundredand seven point six passer rating versus under
center forty one place, four pointnine yards per carry, eleven point eight
yards per pass attempt, one hundredand fifty three point one rating. Connor,
we talked all offseason, dude aboutthe cheap seed to do more under
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center work. They're getting the personnelto where they should possibly be able to
do it. They suggested in thepreseason maybe that they could do it.
We all said we'll wait and see. Now we're kind of waiting and seeing.
I wonder how the offensive line strugglesfactor in there. I wonder where
the trust but the running backs is. Obviously, running under center takes away
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a lot of the RPO game,which is what the Chiefs predicate a lot
of their offensive success upon. Theyhad all off season too evolve and get
away from so much shotgun stuff.They could have went more under center.
They could have, instead of neuteringthemselves offensively, done what Matt Lafloor did
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when he got to Green Bay andsaid, you know what, We're gonna
ironically modernize a little bit, butalso kind of do a throwback. You're
gonna be doing play action. We'regonna have a lot of single back set
where you're not out of the shotgun, you're under center. I think the
Chiefs should be doing it more.Patrick Lahomes last year, guess what is
epa per pass? I'm throwing outanalytics. I'm gonna do it. I
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did the math and everything. Hethrew seventy one passes from under center.
Guess what his EPA per pass attemptwas last year? Nine point five So
on the EPA stuff, Um,it's those charts usually go to like point
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three per play. Oh EPA.I was thinking, any aum, you're
point five five. I think itwas point five eight. The Chiefs are
getting almost half a point every timePatrick Mahomes threw a pass from under center.
Granted it was seventy one times,but I know that's that's not a
lot. That's that's pretty good.They were doing really, really really well
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when he was throwing under center thisyear, eleven and point eight yards per
attempt, one hundred and fifty threepoint one passer rating. Like, the
Chiefs have the personnel, I thinkto do this, they have the reasoning
to do it. They just aren'tdoing it. And I think, and
we're going to talk about concerns withthe Chiefs later or on the offensive creativity
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of so called genius Andy Reid.I think needs to be there. Eric
b Enemy helping him, needs tobe there. The trust needs to be
there. I get that it's hardto the execution needs to be there.
The execution needs to be there,So I know that it's hard to do
all this with moving pieces. Andit could just be a case of the
Chiefs having a season long evolution whereby the end of the year they are
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doing it more often. But atthe core, I do think they need
to be going under center more oftenbecause they're obviously having success. To you
in that, I would wonder howmany of these under center plays were in
Week one versus the last two weeks. That breakdown would be interesting just for
the efficiency reasons, because they're moreefficient week one. I would also like
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to compare it to last year.You already said it wasn't even a lot
of for the Holy Year. Thatwas seventy one passes from under center overall.
Yeah, that's a ridiculously low number. UM and you mentioned um,
Matt Lafleur. Um. That's theMcVeigh Shanahan. Like, there's two offenses
in the NFL right now. It'sthe spread them out shotgun Chiefs offense UM,
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which the Bills also run for themost part, and the Cardinals run
UM. And then there's the ShannyMcVeigh offense, which is the play action
from under center, lots of crossers, lots of yakum and running the ball
with like outside zone and stuff likethat. Um the issue. And the
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Chiefs obviously run their own kind oflike mixed with West Coast style stuff.
And I think the issue for meis I think the offense just has too
many square pegs and too many roundholes yea um. And they just keep
trying to ram it in there.Okay, that's sorry, don't don't clip
that. They just keep trying tofitted in there, fitted in there,
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and it's not working, but theykeep trying. So they have, for
example, they have a predicated Yeah, I know, it's fine, you
have one of those clips too.They have an offense that you would really
want your offensive lineman to be athletic, but their left tackle is one of
the most unathletic left tackles in NFLhistory. They have a running back who
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is really good on inside zone andruns up the middle. He can see
holes through the middle. Really hisvision Clyde War's Layer's vision going straight is
good. It's just when they gethim moving sideways. He does have the
speed for it one and he doeshave the vision for it too. But
they keep running these outside zone shotgunplays with him, and it's just like,
what are you doing? Why arewe doing this with him? And
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now they have Juju and mvs whoare not really these like spread them out
guys like that beat like man onman coverage, like straight up on these
spread out plays from shotgun. Theywould have a lovely time if there's play
action tied to these plays too,an under center in these under center plays
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where you do that, I justdon't get why they have these players if
they're not going to use them andchange their offense to use them. I
just don't get it. And thiswas an issue last year too. Or
Lynn to Brand had issues because ofthis last year. Clyer's A Layer had
issues last year because of this.Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelsey masked it last
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year, but now that Hill's notthere is showing even more, especially because
they brought in like two bigger widereceivers, but they're still running the same
offense. I don't get all thislip service they gave us and then they
turn around and barely change anything sofar. So what do I think about
those splits? More under center?Please? It doesn't even have to be
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play action. Just make the defensethink more, maybe have more like trips
formations with Juju and MVS and mccolthere, because if you imagine Juju MVS
clearing out from a cool on likea drag or a cross or something,
that seems like it would fit thoseplayers skill sets better. But they just
run these the three by one stillwith Kelsey as the one getting absolutely destroyed
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at thirty two years old, andI'm just like, what are we doing
here? Guys? Come on,I don't know. I hope as a
season goes along, like you said, they make changes because they see it's
not working with their personnel. What'sup, guys, Thanks agin for listening
to today's show and taking some timeto welcome Refrom the Kicker into your speakers
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That a perfect segue that you setus up for a cheaps fan eighty
four. When will the cheaps getRonald Jones a shot? As he is
much better suited for the downhill runningcase he needs. I'm just saying,
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what are they gonna have Isaiah exactly. So my thing when the Chiefs signed
Ronald Jones was if they go undercenter more often, if they run more
play action, if they evolve asan offense, he will be a really
good fit for that. And hecould even get half the carries and literally
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just split with Clyde Evans layer andthey'd have a bum or something. Well,
I shouldn't say a bum some guythat doesn't really matter in the grand
scheme backing them up. Then theybrought Jack McKinnon back and drafted Isaiah Pacheco.
Obviously he didn't seem to be agood fit, meaning Ronald Jones.
Now he really isn't a good fitfor what they want or don't want to
do. But speaking of stuff theyshould be doing more often, Jones is
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an ideal fit in that type ofoffense. The Chiefs clearly don't have any
use for him. I think itgoes back to when I think it was
Veach. Yeah, it had tohave been Veach who brought up keeping your
best fifty three rather than oh,we have a need here, we have
a need here. I think thatwas talking. He didn't even have to
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say it. Ronald Jones is oneof those people He's one of the best
fifty three players in Chiefs could havekept but they didn't need to keep him,
so they didn't want to lose him. They wanted the insurance Derek Gore
got hurt. They wanted the fourthrunning back. They had that all offseason.
I maintained they wanted to do it, whether it made sense or not.
Still doesn't make sense to have RonaldJones and are healthy scratching him.
He's got to be pissed about it, but he was one of the best
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fifty three. He can get repsin the NFL for just about any team
except the Chiefs because they have guysthat they insist upon investing in that are
mid. God, I just calledhim mid, not great, And they
have a rook could be Ronald Joneswith upside if they gave him the opportunity
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to. But he also has poorright now in a limited sample size.
So I don't know when they giveRonald Jones a shot, because I don't
know they ever do it. I'mnot convinced that they're ever going to unleash
him or make him healthy, umgod, not healthy active for a game.
He's been healthy, and give himthat shot. They have too many
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cooks in the kitchen. They clearlydon't want to do that type of running
game right now. They want togive Jared McKinnon the ball. They want
to give Clyde Everards a leader ofthe ball. They want to keep trying
to pound these square pegs in aroundholes. And that's that's where the Chiefs
are at right now. I thinkyou just had to repeat it, didn't
you. I sure did. Okay, guess how many snaps? Guess snap
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percentage of Isaiah Pacheco right now throughthird overall. Yeah, but it's the
average, it's how many they played, and then how many he's played that
percentage. That's hard because he playeda lot week one. With playing a
lot percent week one, it isthirteen percent thirty six. Yeah, dude,
that was lucky. Guess with withthe garbage time in week one?
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Yeah, no, that's bad becausehe played what eight percent last week?
So whatever five out of the totalwas. That's why, that's why my
answer to this is, just giveIsaiah Pacheco the shot. First. They're
not even doing that, and hecan block, he can pass block,
and he can catch. It's justlike they are running h and Jim MacKinnon
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which is fine. They're fine.Um, but if they wont to mix
up the running game, then Iwould go to Pacheco first. Uh And
they haven't done that. Oh andguess who's like right below him? Playing
only twelve percent of the snaps.I couldn't tell another more. They should
play more. Yep, we'll talkabout him. I think here in a
minute, I have a feeling.I'm so I'm tired of this. I
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don't blame what they Look what they'vedone to my boy. Look what they've
done ums guitar power Cat. Ilike that user name. Biggest concern on
offense going forward, wide receiver,running backs, offensive line. If you
had to pick one, I haveone that's not either of those. On
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offense, Yeah, is it Patrick? It's the design and play calling and
the entire shebang. I think AndyReid Eric the enemy have too many lulls
during the season where they pull outthese half ass plays and schemes that don't
work. I think Mahomes doesn't agreewith them at times. He doesn't trust
the system. I think he's notperfect. I'm a little worried that the
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system isn't going to fit the whiteoutsthey have. I'm not worried about the
Whiteouts yet because they're they're capable players. They can be to some of their
parts, I think, but theoffense need to be catered to them a
little bit. Obviously, getting mannedup all the time and not having man
beaters and the sky Moore is roughwhen those guys are out on the field.
Andy Reid may not adjust this year. Chiefs have been stubborn in the
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past. It showed up in theplayoffs. I think they couldn't help themselves.
This is a team and an offenseand a quarterback and a head coach,
not necessarily the coordinator. He's beenknown to be kind of stubborn,
creative, free flowing, innovative,exciting, exhilarating, awesome, league leading,
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elite, historically good, talented,fantastic. They're they're effing bland right
now, Dude, they aren't great. They have a lot of stuff they
need to figure out. I've preachedall week the Chiefs need to not panic.
The Chiefs fans need to not panicthe Chiefs. Media needs to not
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panic. All of that remains true. But these one offs, or these
instances or these possibilities, they're goingto turn into trends pretty soon they're going
to turn into habits. They're goingto turn into trends they may already have
if you look back to last season. The only different now as they have
new pieces in place where you almosthope they change some stuff. This team
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keeps getting applauded for having Andy Reid, one of the historic offensive masterminds in
the NFL. The Cheeps are gettingdon't get me wrong, and last year
was living proof a very special treatmentfrom defenses. But when you have Baltimore
and Buffalo doing stuff their way withnot great offensive line play at times,
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or injuries or running games that aren'tgreat, Buffalo is getting the ball out
super super quick. Baltimore is lettingLamar be Lamar. The Cheeps need to
either let Patrick Mahomes be Patrick Mahomesand have this be a fu I'm going
to do what I want all seasontype thing, or they need to get
their structure figured out and figure outwhat fits. And they still have time
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to do that. It's no excuse, but time's going to run low here
and about a month or so Ithink for the next four games start gonna
have to get some stuff figured out. Yeah, I mean, we even
saw these trends start with Tyreek Hill. Zahomes was throwing short because of two.
I don't want to say cover twobecause it can be covered four or
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whatever. Too high looks they werethrowing a short Last year Tyree Hill became
a possession wide receiver. Um.The Chiefs just they didn't have a lot
of explosive plays last year compared twoyears prior and losing Tyreek Hill and then
running into these man now defenses thatare playing just straight up to their wide
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receivers because it's not scared of them, it's exasper exasper Oh god, I
just tried to go for that way. I shouldn't have tried to go for
that word. Um yeah, thatword. It's just making it worse.
So they but they haven't adjusted atall, Like it looks like they're trying
to run the same offense, butthey're but they're like, oh, why
is this still not working? Eventhough we just lost the best deep threat
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in the lead and everybody's still playingtoo high and we have no explosive plays
and we're not consistent enough on offenseon a play to play basis to sustain
long drives constantly unless the defense ishorrible, like the Cardinals was Week one.
Um, they need to change stuff, and they need to do in
the midseason. And it doesn't needto be like little stuff like Andy Reid
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is very creative within the already definedconfines of his scheme. Like he changes
up a lot of the looks hesaw in the previous season into the next
season. But it's not like he'snot changing the offensive structure. He's changing
what he does from those formations andfrom those concepts he's already predefined. He
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needs to change the structure. Itneeds to happen. He needs Sean mcvagh
actually did this. Um, theRams were famously always running eleven personnel.
I think it was the year lastyear when they won the Super Bowl.
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It was one of the years hewent to the Super Bowl. They were
running eleven personnel all the time andit was the same three wide receivers in
the same tight end on the fieldevery single time. But towards the middle
of the year, he was theywere having issues, so he started changing
up their formations and throwing stuff outthere that he's not shown before. That's
exactly what the Chiefs need to do. They need to change mid season.
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They need to change the offensive running. It doesn't need to be something they
didn't practice like in training camp.It needs to be something that they did
practice. But they just need torun a lot more of it. So
more of the inside zone, moreof the eye formation or under center stuff.
They've run it. They just needto run more of it is the
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issue. We'll just see if theydo that. I don't know if they
will right now because Andy Reid ispretty stubborn with this stuff. Yeah,
And the thing last year wasn't evenreally halfway through the year. It took
a while for the Chiefs to reallystart humming offensively those last like four or
five games, then into the playoffsthat last like six or seven games stretch,
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they were on fire. They wereabsolutely great first couple of playoff games,
first two and a half, reallyabsolutely fantastic. They can do it,
but like I just because man right, And that was because they started
executing constantly yea in that methodical offense. And when they started not doing that
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the Bengals game, it all fellapart. I don't think they have the
for it, dude. They've neverreally been a disciplined team, even not
under Patrick Mahomes, under Alex Smith. I wouldn't say they were disciplined either.
Alex Smith himself was, but theoverall check wasn't. So it's just
I don't know they need to likeum the case saying. Guys talked about
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this, of course, about theoffense, and they were like, right
now, the offense doesn't have anidentity. It is hey is Travis Kelsey,
open throw to Travis Kelsey. That'sthe identity. That's not gonna work,
especially because he's thirty three years oldand he's gonna be beat up over
the entire I'm not even gonna saythe event that I'm thinking of, but
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like, could you imagine what they'dlook like if that event happened? Uh?
Oh, it's they would it's you. I'm not saying Mahomes would look
like washed, big ban or anythingor like he would be fine, but
no, they you you would.You would be looking at college procects because
and I even said this before,I said this over the summer, Travis
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Kelsey infinitely more irreplaceable in this offensethan Tyreekio was. Yeah, Travis cot
Travis Kelsey makes the offense actually hume. Um And if if I don't,
I'm not even looking forward to theday where he actually you can tell he
lost his step, like he's slowingdown, but you see him still dust
corners. He's still really good becausehe's still savvy even if he's lost a
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bit of speed. But the momentyou go, yeah, I don't know,
he just can't dust these safeties anymorethat are over him, that's the
moment where you go, I hopethey drafted a superstar because I don't know
if the offense works, if they'vegot no agree so they'll they'll be fine.
I think they're both decent players.I just I didn't really they were
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like people were like, oh,this three tight end, the offense is
going to take over the league.I'm like, yeah, I don't know
if they're that good guys, andit's not been that good the last two
weeks. They also don't have theI think Zach Eisen put it, they
don't have the speed to operate thestuff they want to do when they get
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that heavy they have like if thatmakes sense in the theory, they have
two speed guys, McCole and mvs. Are they running mvs on these I
mean out there? Hey? Yeah? And that's not been going well.
Also, and like This is myfinal thought. Real quick. The Chiefs
are banged up right now, likeOrlando Brown's nursing a little injury. Tray
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Smith is nursing a little injury.Mcaul Harman's nursing something right now. You
can only use that so far becausethere are teams out there that can and
will figure it the hell out.The Chiefs can't go with, oh,
we have new guys amber banged upfor an entire season. They can't do
that. The only injury I willgive them a yeah that makes sense is
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Bucker like I think she were inthe Colts game. If he's healthy,
Um, so that's something. Buteven then, the special team still fell
apart. I'm terrible. Outside ofkicking, there was other mistakes they made.
Um. But if I were toanswer the question wide receiver's running backs
are a line, I think myconcern's actually a wide receiver. Um.
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I think Juju looks slower than Ithought he would, slow enough to where
he won't be good. I justthought after a year of him basically sitting,
he would not look like he's twentyeight instead of twenty five. And
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he was never a fast guy.That was never his thing. But when
a fine, speed guy becomes aspeed guy. It's it's noticeable, which
is ironic because he had that hugeplace Like even with that on a snap
to step basis, he doesn't lookhe's a He would be a good wide
receiver too for the Chiefs. Toobad he's their wide receiver. One.
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Yeah, he'd be a really goodcompliment for a guy like like Tyree Hill
possibly yeah, which was that wasa thing for like four days yea um.
And I'm also I'm way off theNBS train. I don't care if
he gets back. I was neverreally on it to be fair. To
be fair, I wasn't. Iam, like, I'm off. The
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Hardman could have his best he couldslave his best season, I guess,
but like Hardman's not gonna be atrue Yeah, he's the wide receiver ever
or even from the slot. Idon't know if he'll ever like have success
from the slot. If he's asan offense, unless you're weaponizing the hell
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out of him, it's not good. Yeah, he has to be all
touch passes or gadget plays or whatever. And which is why I'm just like,
just throw a skuy out there,guys. What what is he who's
stopping him, And why is it, like, I know, who cares
that he muffed the punt because likethat's on special teams and he has never
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returned punts in his college career.They're asking him to do something new,
which is obviously there's a bit ofa learning curve there um. And if
they don't want them to do it, they have other guys that could return
punts, just trot them out there. Whatever. He looked good in preseason
apparently look good in training camp.What is the issue here? If if
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the playbook is hampering rookies this muchto where an obviously more talented guy than
some of these guys can't see thefield this early. Maybe it's not a
problem with the players. Maybe it'sa problem with the playbook. I don't
know. Maybe they need to simplifysome of this stuff for these guys so
they can get more talented players onthe field earlier, because I would rather
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have Skuy more out there than MVSright now. Personally, Yeah, yep,
I suppose a good podcast man alwaysbring it out. Loss is always
bring it out. It's nevertheless,this might have been the best RTK.
I think, Well, now you'resaying that it isn't. Yeah, including
the clip that I'm going to tweetout here in a little bit, I
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think this was the best. Ithink the hurricane talk really tied it all
together. Yeah. It was aperfect blend of you know, talking about
other teams, talking about the cheeps, talking good, talking bad, talking
weather, all that good stuff.Yep. And I have nothing more to
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add to that blend of goodness,all right. The only thing I have
to add follow Connor on Twitter atConnor with an e Underscore DKC. I'm
always good content thoughts on just aboutanything you want sports related. Kind of
budding NBA fan two. So Imean it's all zoo depression, seasonal depression,
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seasonal weather analysis, all that goodstuff. Cheaps obviously do that.
I'm gonna be back. We're stillfiguring out what Friday's RTK is going to
look like. Um, the Buckssite for SI is I don't know what
the word would be. They're swampedright now. So we're filtering through trying
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to figure out if that's gonna bea podcast or my dab Zach Eisen or
someone else fill in. But shouldbe back Friday. Until then, guys,
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that said, let's jump into today'sshow. Got Connor Christopherson back with me
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at Connor with an E Underscore DKCConnor. How's it going, buddy,
It's going great. I've been enjoyingthe I'm just I just lead off with
the weather every time. I'm likethe one person where they say, you
know, small talk, don'll evertalk about the weather, but I talk
about the weather. I've been joiningthe weather by playing Pokemon Go and going
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on some walks recently so that veterans, which is fun to do in midtown
because there's actually stuff around to doPokemon Go stuff with. So I'm enjoying
that. I know I did notenjoy this week, and not only because
of the Chiefs game, but becauseof the I think literally worst way I've
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seen one of my teams lose ina long while, with Missoo losing the
Auburn. Yeah, you saw theend of that game, Jordan, Right,
yeah you got. I'm sorry itwas that. I don't if you
did not, if anybody did notsee the end of that game, go
look up the highlights on YouTube.Just relish in the absolute buffoonery that is
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Missoo football. So bad it's it'sterrible. And yes, sadly Kansas is
better right now? Yeah, okay, you better. I know what'll make
you feel better. Let's do arough in the mail bag and let's kick
it off with Mike Denny the bestquestions, the best stuff, Big Mike,
every week, Big Mike. Thisone is a doozy. Maybe says
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now that the Chiefs lost, theyhave to fire everyone who's your top candidate
for head coach, GM owner andquarterback. Only remaining pieces are as Aah
Pacheco and Eric b enemy. Um. I actually put some thought into this,
like I I genuinely, have youactually answered it? Yeah? I
actually answered it. I think,did you not? Connor? Oh?
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What the hell? I mean?I can I can do all. This
is a real situation. I thoughtwe're gonna use this to go into like
talking about Eric B enemy. Butoh, I mean we could do that.
I did the podcast on Monday withMark. I did not Mark brought
up the thing, and I literallyjust sat there and let him talk him
as like, those are my thoughts, Like, I don't have any thoughts
on it. So I think theEric B enemy shits overblown. I think,
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um, it's kind of getting outmy nerves a little bit. Like
do I think he's perfect? No? Do I think this is last year
in Kansas City? Yes? DoI think that there's a reason why he
isn't getting head coach jobs? Ido? Do I know what that answer
is? No? Um, dowe know what happens behind closed doors in
the Chiefs organization? Usually not.And those are my thoughts. I will
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add nobody should be listening to whatlas Shaun McCoy thinks because if people forget
Andy Reid ended that man's career thatwas already so he called him like a
little pup or something. He wasn'tthe youngest pup in the kettle and said
like it's hard to accept when you'reon the back nine of your career,
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the backside of it, I waslike, holy smokes, ruthless. So
it's obvious that Andy Reid doesn't evenlike care what let's Shawn McCoy thinks,
so nobody else should. We hadJeff Allen and Jamal Charles coming out in
support of EB today and Jamal liketrying to get the dude fired at one
point. So like if Jamal's likecoming to first day, yeah, so
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like if he's coming to his defense, then people and like the number one
thing that is really all that needsto be sent needs to be said here.
If Patrick Mahomes didn't want Eric BEnemy to be his offensive coordinator,
guess what wouldn't happen. Eric BEnemy wouldn't be his bleeping offensive coordinator.
Like that's just point blank period myopinion and how it is. I think,
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yeah, and I think I agreewith people that it might be time
for them to separate, go separateways, just because I think the offense
does need fresh ideas in the building. I just don't buy like a lot
of the reasons that people are sayingthat they need to separate. I think
it's just he they obviously there wassomething going on because they didn't like bring
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them back immediately and they had tolike have a meeting with him and stuff
to talk about it, so it'sobvious they were still thinking on it.
I just don't think, like,I don't think the fight in quotes with
Mahomes before the half was anything atall, Like even watching it, why
do people think that was anything ofnose? I don't think it was.
It was obvious that it was aholistic coaching decision to kick the field goal.
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Do people really think Eric b Enemyhas the final say on sending out
the field goal kicker there? Nope? So is he the head coach?
Like Eric? What is the headcoach by the Chiefs? Some people might
think so, God without they talkunreal, It's unreal, man. I
do think I am on board.I don't. I don't even want people
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saying like, oh yeah, lethim go and mcnaggio offensive coordination. No,
they need somebody new, they needsomebody fresh. Sorry, I wouldn't
mind it. Their running game.Actually, I do like a lot of
the running game concepts, so Ithink that might be and they do run
a lot of I think duo aninside zone, which is any read would
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keep that dude in check, LikeI think if there's one like you could
have a pair of creative masterminds quoteunquote obviously with Cliff, but like Andy
Reid could get the best out ofCliff without the bad. I think.
I think Cliff is not a goodhead coach. Is he's a bad head
coach, But I think or quarterbackcoach or whatever he can he can design
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plays I think really well too.And he's younger mine. He's been in
more modern college offenses recently. Ijust don't think. I don't even know
if you want him to like schemeup your entire offense either, but as
like a quarterbacks coach, like paramwith Mahomes again, if he wants that,
sure, why not? There's yourOT. Did we talk about OT
for this? Oh we didn't.We didn't because the enemy six in this
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scenario that Mike brought up. BecauseI do think, I think Cliff,
I don't know. It just feelsweird there that the whole Arizona operation feels
weird. You might be gone afterthis year. Yeah, And they extended
him before Kyler, which is anindictment on the Cardinals being a poverty franchise.
Yeah, if I so, ifI was going to pick any GM,
I know a GM especially I won'twant Howie Roseman. Really, he's
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up there for me, He's inmy top three. I just love the
way he operates. That Eagles teamis ridiculous. Now Yeah, and I
love all his trades. It alwaysseems like he has logic behind them.
That a J. Brown trade wasso smooth. Um, So I would
definitely pick Howie for a GM.Um, who who do you have for
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head coach? So I'm gonna justgonna run through for quarterback. I picked
Josh Allen just because I love himand just traded. I just traded for
Josh and I one of my fancyleagues, my better money one. Um.
I had Herbert, but the theRashawn Slater news and his ribs and
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Alan being hurt, the vibes aren'tthere. So I just sold the farm
to go get Alan because he's gonnabe he is that dude. Yeah,
he's sent dude. Um. Ipicked Robert Kraft spy Odor and I feel
bad because like he's a pos dudeobviously, and he's old as hell.
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Um, But I don't know.I just don't really unless we're picking an
external like entity like Jeff Bezos orEli. I have that controversial opinion.
If I was guaranteed the chiefs no, God, Um, if I was
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guaranteed the chief would stay in KansasCity by this owner, like guarantee guarantee,
Um, I would pick stand Crunky. He's the goat. You know,
I have less stayed in Sean McVeaghas my head coach. He privately
funded so far. He constantly handget the Rams have constantly signed big contracts
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that require the owner to put downa lot of money. Um, and
so he's constantly done that. He'slet them let less sneed operate however he
wants. I like how his handsoff there. Um. He's a great
owner for the Rams who are inLA. If I had assurances he would
stay in Kansas City, he seemslike a really good owner that would shall
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money. No, I still don'tlike him because, yeah, there's a
lot of reasons to hate the guyfor sure. As if you're a RAMS
owner right now, you would loveto have Stan Cronky as your owner.
Yeah, I think just go downthe line of the Rams for me then,
Like, obviously I'm podcast a Ramssuper Bowl shirt, But um,
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Sean McVay head coach or John Harbaugh, those are my top two. I
really like how Hard. I likeMike Tomlin, but I just don't know
how he would put somewhere else,which isn't fair because like, I don't
know how Harba stuff is. Justlike, yeah, come on, man,
Tomlin's in my top three, butI wouldn't want him Harbar McVeigh.
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And then Steve Brandon Bean or Howieis my GM. I think Brandon Bean
is a good job. Yeah,or Connor that'd be an option too.
This isn't you're you're not transitioning tothe end of it podcast, which that's
your usually transition. We're ten minutesin and we just finished the first question
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since we got to. Also,the Chief signed a kicker today. I'm
gonna be honest with you, man, I don't know who he is.
I can't remember the dude's name.I read the report before we came on.
Um, that's shame on me,very very big shampoo practice squad Matthew
Ryan. Okay, I was gonnasay they signed Matt Ryan to the practice
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squad? What I think? That'syou wrong? Am I right? I
had heard last week that Bucker wasthey were aiming for this. Zach Eisen,
who is hashtag tapped in. Umhe had heard the same thing.
So I was like, okay,well I'm all the right tracker, we
know the same people. Yes,they're targeting last week. They were targeting
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this Sunday for Bucker. That wasbefore he had what no practice all week
last week for his swelling to godown. It seems like, yeah,
it seems like once the pain istolerable in the swellings down, he's going
to be like, there may notbe limited, like he might just jump
in and be full. I don'tknow if that's going to be the case.
I don't know what days is anegal sprain that he plants on stills.
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I mean, but he did kicklike basically one leg at that one
time, so maybe, and he'sbeen doing one steppers and all that stuff,
so obviously different than a game.UM. I did an article on
everheadreport dot com. You can checkit out if you want to on the
cheap's options. One of them wasrevisit the kicker Derby or free agent market.
One of them was Butcker being healthy. One of them was justin Reid.
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Those all have very different possibilities andprobabilities. I would lean Dave Tobe
said hobbled. Buckers better than mostkickers, but like, if he's not
one hundred percent, I don't thinkthey'd let him go out there and do
extra points and feel about if he'sninety percent, I think they would take
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him off kickoff duty justin may dothat and let Bucker do field goals in
extra It is nice. That wouldbe nice. I would do that.
I know they'd like like to dropit down at the one yard line too,
but the whole game. Just kickit through. It's twenty five yards,
like take your yards, be happy, call it a day. Yeah,
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for sure, speaking and being happyand no, no big segue.
Um Connor's mom is nice enough todrop us some old bad question. She
says, thoughts on the new ProBowl format, thumbs up or thumbs down?
I think I like it. Leadingquestion, when was the last thing
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you watch the Pro Bowl five yearsago? Maybe? Yeah, that's about
me too. I would you bemore likely now to watch because of Yes?
I think that's that's me too.I think i'd be more likely to
watch. I think, and thisis gonna sound weird, I think the
injury risk is not only still there, but it might be heightened now.
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It might be more playing football.I think the players are gonna like give
a shit about this, like they'regonna actually care about flag football. Yeah
they will. Yeah, I likeit. I think the skills, challenges
and stuff are cool, so Idon't it's funny, it's dumb. I
think it's gonna age like the Washingtonfootball team. Everyone at first like ha
ha, this is so stupid.Then after about a year after you see
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it, you're gonna be like,hey, this was actually kind of cool
when they turn into the Commanders,which we mean the NFL turns into I
don't know what they do with ProBowl, but I like it for now.
Yeah I do too. It's justthe Pro Bowl was dead the minute
the players decided we don't want toplay for real in this game. It's
terrible. At least the real gameit was dead then, So either it
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was just hobble along with that ortransition to this, and I like this.
I think I would actually think abouttuning in now, especially for the
flag football game. Um And Ithink players will go now, to be
at least for this year's because it'sin Vegas, so that's a pretty good
vacation spot for players. UM SoI think it'll be better, So thumbs
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up for me. Yeah, I'mwith you. Um. This one's an
interesting one. I don't think peoplewould know by the time this podcast comes
out. Brandy Bergheimer, I hopeI pronounced that ride. I'm usually decent
with names. He says, wherewill the game be played on Sunday?
It seems like Minnesota is the popularfavorite. The Clubhouse New Orleans was New
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Orleans also floated, I think peopleshould Tampa. Yeah, Tappa Um.
I think by Wednesday afternoon or eveningor Thursday morning, people will know what's
gonna happen. I'm gonna lean thatit's sticks. I think in Thursday afternoon
they think, so they're gonna couldI saw somebody say they're gonna wait as
long as they can, and thatcould think of the morning. It could
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be Friday morning. So I'm gonnalean Tampa. But like I honestly don't
know at all. I would stillguess Tampa right now. I think the
hurricanes impacting Tampa early enough to whereAnd it's really hard to stay with hurricanes
because you don't know extent of damageuntil it actually lands. If you don't
know, I was a meteorology majorfor bits. And I love hurricanes,
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so I love them in the senseof they're they're cool, not in the
sense of the billions of dollars ofdamage and lives they disrupt. Yeah,
I'm glad you clarified that, Connor. We were starting a weird vibe.
Yeah, I bet you were.So I think they have to wait and
see the extent of the damage.Also, storm surge is the big one.
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Um. I don't think the windsor the rain will really be the
issue. Um, I don't know. But the stadium for the Tampa's inland,
so honestly, I think it is, isn't It isn't all I think
so. Yeah, So where thestadium is matters as well. If it's
not around damage, I think theymight just have it in Tampa. I
mean, Florida's used to hurricanes,so yeah, I know Tampa hasn't gotten
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a direct hit in a while.So, and it is from the tracks
I've seen, it's going to beon the bad side of the hurricane.
Little known tidbit. The bad sideof the hurricane is the side that rotates
into land because all those winds iswhat pushes storm search onto land, which
is the ocean rising. Certain amountof feet. So you're not getting this
anywhere else, Guys, you finda cheaps podcast, I can tell you
(16:34):
that, and I'll tell you you'rea liar. Right. So, if
the Eye truly does hit just northof Tampa, bringing in all those winds
and storm search, yeah, Icould see New Orleans or Minnesota being a
possibility. But it's we just haveto kind of see where the hurricane lands.
Yep. It's it's a tough businessguessing where hurricanes are going to land,
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and especially for people who, likeme or not former meteorology majors and
don't have much of a clue thisquestion. Though. I'm excited to get
your thoughts on this because I havea lot of thoughts on this question.
Jacob Millham, what do you thinkabout the cheap splits in twenty twenty two?
I'm going to read them out foryou guys. So shotgun one hundred
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and thirty nine place three point threeyards per carry, seven and a half
yards per pass attempt, one hundredand seven point six passer rating versus under
center forty one place, four pointnine yards per carry, eleven point eight
yards per pass attempt, one hundredand fifty three point one rating. Connor,
we talked all offseason, dude aboutthe cheap seed to do more under
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center work. They're getting the personnelto where they should possibly be able to
do it. They suggested in thepreseason maybe that they could do it.
We all said we'll wait and see. Now we're kind of waiting and seeing.
I wonder how the offensive line strugglesfactor in there. I wonder where
the trust but the running backs is. Obviously, running under center takes away
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a lot of the RPO game,which is what the Chiefs predicate a lot
of their offensive success upon. Theyhad all off season too evolve and get
away from so much shotgun stuff.They could have went more under center.
They could have, instead of neuteringthemselves offensively, done what Matt Lafloor did
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when he got to Green Bay andsaid, you know what, We're gonna
ironically modernize a little bit, butalso kind of do a throwback. You're
gonna be doing play action. We'regonna have a lot of single back set
where you're not out of the shotgun, you're under center. I think the
Chiefs should be doing it more.Patrick Lahomes last year, guess what is
epa per pass? I'm throwing outanalytics. I'm gonna do it. I
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did the math and everything. Hethrew seventy one passes from under center.
Guess what his EPA per pass attemptwas last year? Nine point five So
on the EPA stuff, Um,it's those charts usually go to like point
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three per play. Oh EPA.I was thinking, any aum, you're
point five five. I think itwas point five eight. The Chiefs are
getting almost half a point every timePatrick Mahomes threw a pass from under center.
Granted it was seventy one times,but I know that's that's not a
lot. That's that's pretty good.They were doing really, really really well
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when he was throwing under center thisyear, eleven and point eight yards per
attempt, one hundred and fifty threepoint one passer rating. Like, the
Chiefs have the personnel, I thinkto do this, they have the reasoning
to do it. They just aren'tdoing it. And I think, and
we're going to talk about concerns withthe Chiefs later or on the offensive creativity
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of so called genius Andy Reid.I think needs to be there. Eric
b Enemy helping him, needs tobe there. The trust needs to be
there. I get that it's hardto the execution needs to be there.
The execution needs to be there,So I know that it's hard to do
all this with moving pieces. Andit could just be a case of the
Chiefs having a season long evolution whereby the end of the year they are
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doing it more often. But atthe core, I do think they need
to be going under center more oftenbecause they're obviously having success. To you
in that, I would wonder howmany of these under center plays were in
Week one versus the last two weeks. That breakdown would be interesting just for
the efficiency reasons, because they're moreefficient week one. I would also like
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to compare it to last year.You already said it wasn't even a lot
of for the Holy Year. Thatwas seventy one passes from under center overall.
Yeah, that's a ridiculously low number. UM and you mentioned um,
Matt Lafleur. Um. That's theMcVeigh Shanahan. Like, there's two offenses
in the NFL right now. It'sthe spread them out shotgun Chiefs offense UM,
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which the Bills also run for themost part, and the Cardinals run
UM. And then there's the ShannyMcVeigh offense, which is the play action
from under center, lots of crossers, lots of yakum and running the ball
with like outside zone and stuff likethat. Um the issue. And the
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Chiefs obviously run their own kind oflike mixed with West Coast style stuff.
And I think the issue for meis I think the offense just has too
many square pegs and too many roundholes yea um. And they just keep
trying to ram it in there.Okay, that's sorry, don't don't clip
that. They just keep trying tofitted in there, fitted in there,
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and it's not working, but theykeep trying. So they have, for
example, they have a predicated Yeah, I know, it's fine, you
have one of those clips too.They have an offense that you would really
want your offensive lineman to be athletic, but their left tackle is one of
the most unathletic left tackles in NFLhistory. They have a running back who
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is really good on inside zone andruns up the middle. He can see
holes through the middle. Really hisvision Clyde War's Layer's vision going straight is
good. It's just when they gethim moving sideways. He does have the
speed for it one and he doeshave the vision for it too. But
they keep running these outside zone shotgunplays with him, and it's just like,
what are you doing? Why arewe doing this with him? And
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now they have Juju and mvs whoare not really these like spread them out
guys like that beat like man onman coverage, like straight up on these
spread out plays from shotgun. Theywould have a lovely time if there's play
action tied to these plays too,an under center in these under center plays
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where you do that, I justdon't get why they have these players if
they're not going to use them andchange their offense to use them. I
just don't get it. And thiswas an issue last year too. Or
Lynn to Brand had issues because ofthis last year. Clyer's A Layer had
issues last year because of this.Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelsey masked it last
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year, but now that Hill's notthere is showing even more, especially because
they brought in like two bigger widereceivers, but they're still running the same
offense. I don't get all thislip service they gave us and then they
turn around and barely change anything sofar. So what do I think about
those splits? More under center?Please? It doesn't even have to be
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play action. Just make the defensethink more, maybe have more like trips
formations with Juju and MVS and mccolthere, because if you imagine Juju MVS
clearing out from a cool on likea drag or a cross or something,
that seems like it would fit thoseplayers skill sets better. But they just
run these the three by one stillwith Kelsey as the one getting absolutely destroyed
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at thirty two years old, andI'm just like, what are we doing
here? Guys? Come on,I don't know. I hope as a
season goes along, like you said, they make changes because they see it's
not working with their personnel. What'sup, guys, Thanks agin for listening
to today's show and taking some timeto welcome Refrom the Kicker into your speakers
(24:41):
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That a perfect segue that you setus up for a cheaps fan eighty
four. When will the cheaps getRonald Jones a shot? As he is
much better suited for the downhill runningcase he needs. I'm just saying,
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what are they gonna have Isaiah exactly. So my thing when the Chiefs signed
Ronald Jones was if they go undercenter more often, if they run more
play action, if they evolve asan offense, he will be a really
good fit for that. And hecould even get half the carries and literally
(25:26):
just split with Clyde Evans layer andthey'd have a bum or something. Well,
I shouldn't say a bum some guythat doesn't really matter in the grand
scheme backing them up. Then theybrought Jack McKinnon back and drafted Isaiah Pacheco.
Obviously he didn't seem to be agood fit, meaning Ronald Jones.
Now he really isn't a good fitfor what they want or don't want to
do. But speaking of stuff theyshould be doing more often, Jones is
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an ideal fit in that type ofoffense. The Chiefs clearly don't have any
use for him. I think itgoes back to when I think it was
Veach. Yeah, it had tohave been Veach who brought up keeping your
best fifty three rather than oh,we have a need here, we have
a need here. I think thatwas talking. He didn't even have to
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say it. Ronald Jones is oneof those people He's one of the best
fifty three players in Chiefs could havekept but they didn't need to keep him,
so they didn't want to lose him. They wanted the insurance Derek Gore
got hurt. They wanted the fourthrunning back. They had that all offseason.
I maintained they wanted to do it, whether it made sense or not.
Still doesn't make sense to have RonaldJones and are healthy scratching him.
He's got to be pissed about it, but he was one of the best
(26:33):
fifty three. He can get repsin the NFL for just about any team
except the Chiefs because they have guysthat they insist upon investing in that are
mid. God, I just calledhim mid, not great, And they
have a rook could be Ronald Joneswith upside if they gave him the opportunity
(26:57):
to. But he also has poorright now in a limited sample size.
So I don't know when they giveRonald Jones a shot, because I don't
know they ever do it. I'mnot convinced that they're ever going to unleash
him or make him healthy, umgod, not healthy active for a game.
He's been healthy, and give himthat shot. They have too many
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cooks in the kitchen. They clearlydon't want to do that type of running
game right now. They want togive Jared McKinnon the ball. They want
to give Clyde Everards a leader ofthe ball. They want to keep trying
to pound these square pegs in aroundholes. And that's that's where the Chiefs
are at right now. I thinkyou just had to repeat it, didn't
you. I sure did. Okay, guess how many snaps? Guess snap
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percentage of Isaiah Pacheco right now throughthird overall. Yeah, but it's the
average, it's how many they played, and then how many he's played that
percentage. That's hard because he playeda lot week one. With playing a
lot percent week one, it isthirteen percent thirty six. Yeah, dude,
that was lucky. Guess with withthe garbage time in week one?
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Yeah, no, that's bad becausehe played what eight percent last week?
So whatever five out of the totalwas. That's why, that's why my
answer to this is, just giveIsaiah Pacheco the shot. First. They're
not even doing that, and hecan block, he can pass block,
and he can catch. It's justlike they are running h and Jim MacKinnon
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which is fine. They're fine.Um, but if they wont to mix
up the running game, then Iwould go to Pacheco first. Uh And
they haven't done that. Oh andguess who's like right below him? Playing
only twelve percent of the snaps.I couldn't tell another more. They should
play more. Yep, we'll talkabout him. I think here in a
minute, I have a feeling.I'm so I'm tired of this. I
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don't blame what they Look what they'vedone to my boy. Look what they've
done ums guitar power Cat. Ilike that user name. Biggest concern on
offense going forward, wide receiver,running backs, offensive line. If you
had to pick one, I haveone that's not either of those. On
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offense, Yeah, is it Patrick? It's the design and play calling and
the entire shebang. I think AndyReid Eric the enemy have too many lulls
during the season where they pull outthese half ass plays and schemes that don't
work. I think Mahomes doesn't agreewith them at times. He doesn't trust
the system. I think he's notperfect. I'm a little worried that the
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system isn't going to fit the whiteoutsthey have. I'm not worried about the
Whiteouts yet because they're they're capable players. They can be to some of their
parts, I think, but theoffense need to be catered to them a
little bit. Obviously, getting mannedup all the time and not having man
beaters and the sky Moore is roughwhen those guys are out on the field.
Andy Reid may not adjust this year. Chiefs have been stubborn in the
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past. It showed up in theplayoffs. I think they couldn't help themselves.
This is a team and an offenseand a quarterback and a head coach,
not necessarily the coordinator. He's beenknown to be kind of stubborn,
creative, free flowing, innovative,exciting, exhilarating, awesome, league leading,
(30:22):
elite, historically good, talented,fantastic. They're they're effing bland right
now, Dude, they aren't great. They have a lot of stuff they
need to figure out. I've preachedall week the Chiefs need to not panic.
The Chiefs fans need to not panicthe Chiefs. Media needs to not
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panic. All of that remains true. But these one offs, or these
instances or these possibilities, they're goingto turn into trends pretty soon they're going
to turn into habits. They're goingto turn into trends they may already have
if you look back to last season. The only different now as they have
new pieces in place where you almosthope they change some stuff. This team
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keeps getting applauded for having Andy Reid, one of the historic offensive masterminds in
the NFL. The Cheeps are gettingdon't get me wrong, and last year
was living proof a very special treatmentfrom defenses. But when you have Baltimore
and Buffalo doing stuff their way withnot great offensive line play at times,
(31:30):
or injuries or running games that aren'tgreat, Buffalo is getting the ball out
super super quick. Baltimore is lettingLamar be Lamar. The Cheeps need to
either let Patrick Mahomes be Patrick Mahomesand have this be a fu I'm going
to do what I want all seasontype thing, or they need to get
their structure figured out and figure outwhat fits. And they still have time
(31:52):
to do that. It's no excuse, but time's going to run low here
and about a month or so Ithink for the next four games start gonna
have to get some stuff figured out. Yeah, I mean, we even
saw these trends start with Tyreek Hill. Zahomes was throwing short because of two.
I don't want to say cover twobecause it can be covered four or
(32:14):
whatever. Too high looks they werethrowing a short Last year Tyree Hill became
a possession wide receiver. Um.The Chiefs just they didn't have a lot
of explosive plays last year compared twoyears prior and losing Tyreek Hill and then
running into these man now defenses thatare playing just straight up to their wide
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receivers because it's not scared of them, it's exasper exasper Oh god, I
just tried to go for that way. I shouldn't have tried to go for
that word. Um yeah, thatword. It's just making it worse.
So they but they haven't adjusted atall, Like it looks like they're trying
to run the same offense, butthey're but they're like, oh, why
is this still not working? Eventhough we just lost the best deep threat
(32:59):
in the lead and everybody's still playingtoo high and we have no explosive plays
and we're not consistent enough on offenseon a play to play basis to sustain
long drives constantly unless the defense ishorrible, like the Cardinals was Week one.
Um, they need to change stuff, and they need to do in
the midseason. And it doesn't needto be like little stuff like Andy Reid
(33:22):
is very creative within the already definedconfines of his scheme. Like he changes
up a lot of the looks hesaw in the previous season into the next
season. But it's not like he'snot changing the offensive structure. He's changing
what he does from those formations andfrom those concepts he's already predefined. He
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needs to change the structure. Itneeds to happen. He needs Sean mcvagh
actually did this. Um, theRams were famously always running eleven personnel.
I think it was the year lastyear when they won the Super Bowl.
(34:06):
It was one of the years hewent to the Super Bowl. They were
running eleven personnel all the time andit was the same three wide receivers in
the same tight end on the fieldevery single time. But towards the middle
of the year, he was theywere having issues, so he started changing
up their formations and throwing stuff outthere that he's not shown before. That's
exactly what the Chiefs need to do. They need to change mid season.
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They need to change the offensive running. It doesn't need to be something they
didn't practice like in training camp.It needs to be something that they did
practice. But they just need torun a lot more of it. So
more of the inside zone, moreof the eye formation or under center stuff.
They've run it. They just needto run more of it is the
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issue. We'll just see if theydo that. I don't know if they
will right now because Andy Reid ispretty stubborn with this stuff. Yeah,
And the thing last year wasn't evenreally halfway through the year. It took
a while for the Chiefs to reallystart humming offensively those last like four or
five games, then into the playoffsthat last like six or seven games stretch,
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they were on fire. They wereabsolutely great first couple of playoff games,
first two and a half, reallyabsolutely fantastic. They can do it,
but like I just because man right, And that was because they started
executing constantly yea in that methodical offense. And when they started not doing that
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the Bengals game, it all fellapart. I don't think they have the
for it, dude. They've neverreally been a disciplined team, even not
under Patrick Mahomes, under Alex Smith. I wouldn't say they were disciplined either.
Alex Smith himself was, but theoverall check wasn't. So it's just
I don't know they need to likeum the case saying. Guys talked about
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this, of course, about theoffense, and they were like, right
now, the offense doesn't have anidentity. It is hey is Travis Kelsey,
open throw to Travis Kelsey. That'sthe identity. That's not gonna work,
especially because he's thirty three years oldand he's gonna be beat up over
the entire I'm not even gonna saythe event that I'm thinking of, but
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like, could you imagine what they'dlook like if that event happened? Uh?
Oh, it's they would it's you. I'm not saying Mahomes would look
like washed, big ban or anythingor like he would be fine, but
no, they you you would.You would be looking at college procects because
and I even said this before,I said this over the summer, Travis
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Kelsey infinitely more irreplaceable in this offensethan Tyreekio was. Yeah, Travis cot
Travis Kelsey makes the offense actually hume. Um And if if I don't,
I'm not even looking forward to theday where he actually you can tell he
lost his step, like he's slowingdown, but you see him still dust
corners. He's still really good becausehe's still savvy even if he's lost a
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bit of speed. But the momentyou go, yeah, I don't know,
he just can't dust these safeties anymorethat are over him, that's the
moment where you go, I hopethey drafted a superstar because I don't know
if the offense works, if they'vegot no agree so they'll they'll be fine.
I think they're both decent players.I just I didn't really they were
(37:30):
like people were like, oh,this three tight end, the offense is
going to take over the league.I'm like, yeah, I don't know
if they're that good guys, andit's not been that good the last two
weeks. They also don't have theI think Zach Eisen put it, they
don't have the speed to operate thestuff they want to do when they get
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that heavy they have like if thatmakes sense in the theory, they have
two speed guys, McCole and mvs. Are they running mvs on these I
mean out there? Hey? Yeah? And that's not been going well.
Also, and like This is myfinal thought. Real quick. The Chiefs
are banged up right now, likeOrlando Brown's nursing a little injury. Tray
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Smith is nursing a little injury.Mcaul Harman's nursing something right now. You
can only use that so far becausethere are teams out there that can and
will figure it the hell out.The Chiefs can't go with, oh,
we have new guys amber banged upfor an entire season. They can't do
that. The only injury I willgive them a yeah that makes sense is
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Bucker like I think she were inthe Colts game. If he's healthy,
Um, so that's something. Buteven then, the special team still fell
apart. I'm terrible. Outside ofkicking, there was other mistakes they made.
Um. But if I were toanswer the question wide receiver's running backs
are a line, I think myconcern's actually a wide receiver. Um.
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I think Juju looks slower than Ithought he would, slow enough to where
he won't be good. I justthought after a year of him basically sitting,
he would not look like he's twentyeight instead of twenty five. And
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he was never a fast guy.That was never his thing. But when
a fine, speed guy becomes aspeed guy. It's it's noticeable, which
is ironic because he had that hugeplace Like even with that on a snap
to step basis, he doesn't lookhe's a He would be a good wide
receiver too for the Chiefs. Toobad he's their wide receiver. One.
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Yeah, he'd be a really goodcompliment for a guy like like Tyree Hill
possibly yeah, which was that wasa thing for like four days yea um.
And I'm also I'm way off theNBS train. I don't care if
he gets back. I was neverreally on it to be fair. To
be fair, I wasn't. Iam, like, I'm off. The
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Hardman could have his best he couldslave his best season, I guess,
but like Hardman's not gonna be atrue Yeah, he's the wide receiver ever
or even from the slot. Idon't know if he'll ever like have success
from the slot. If he's asan offense, unless you're weaponizing the hell
(40:30):
out of him, it's not good. Yeah, he has to be all
touch passes or gadget plays or whatever. And which is why I'm just like,
just throw a skuy out there,guys. What what is he who's
stopping him, And why is it, like, I know, who cares
that he muffed the punt because likethat's on special teams and he has never
(40:51):
returned punts in his college career.They're asking him to do something new,
which is obviously there's a bit ofa learning curve there um. And if
they don't want them to do it, they have other guys that could return
punts, just trot them out there. Whatever. He looked good in preseason
apparently look good in training camp.What is the issue here? If if
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the playbook is hampering rookies this muchto where an obviously more talented guy than
some of these guys can't see thefield this early. Maybe it's not a
problem with the players. Maybe it'sa problem with the playbook. I don't
know. Maybe they need to simplifysome of this stuff for these guys so
they can get more talented players onthe field earlier, because I would rather
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have Skuy more out there than MVSright now. Personally, Yeah, yep,
I suppose a good podcast man alwaysbring it out. Loss is always
bring it out. It's nevertheless,this might have been the best RTK.
I think, Well, now you'resaying that it isn't. Yeah, including
the clip that I'm going to tweetout here in a little bit, I
(42:00):
think this was the best. Ithink the hurricane talk really tied it all
together. Yeah. It was aperfect blend of you know, talking about
other teams, talking about the cheeps, talking good, talking bad, talking
weather, all that good stuff.Yep. And I have nothing more to
(42:20):
add to that blend of goodness,all right. The only thing I have
to add follow Connor on Twitter atConnor with an e Underscore DKC. I'm
always good content thoughts on just aboutanything you want sports related. Kind of
budding NBA fan two. So Imean it's all zoo depression, seasonal depression,
(42:44):
seasonal weather analysis, all that goodstuff. Cheaps obviously do that.
I'm gonna be back. We're stillfiguring out what Friday's RTK is going to
look like. Um, the Buckssite for SI is I don't know what
the word would be. They're swampedright now. So we're filtering through trying
(43:06):
to figure out if that's gonna bea podcast or my dab Zach Eisen or
someone else fill in. But shouldbe back Friday. Until then, guys,
thank you for tuning in. Staysafe, I'll talk to you then.
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