EP 120: SquatchDetective Steve Kulls

Long Time Researcher, fellow podcaster, and friend Steve Kulls joins us to discuss his upcoming book: "Bigfoot: A Scientific Examination." Check Steve out by visiting his website.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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is advised.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
We got someone or something crawling around out here?

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Does a legend walk among us working in the forests
of our world?

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Did you see what it was?

Speaker 5 (00:33):
Well?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Did a person or an animal? Or I can't go. Oh,
I know it's that my thunder light came on and
I heard happened to glen and see this thing running
across the yard A good fight man or something works
like a man.

Speaker 6 (00:44):
I don't know what it was.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,
and witnesses trying to gain insight and truth around the
existence how this mysterious.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Entity Jesus quite cal Hello, get somebody out of here.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
What's going to announce there?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
That's got a mention about six ft nine? I don't know,
easy announced there? Yeah, I'm working right ry Oh, okay,
hand on her yarn? Yeah, got you're big?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay, what's he doing in your yard?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
We're gonna bring you.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Join us as we continue into the investigation of the
Sasquatch Experience.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
And good evening, every Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday,
February seventeen, two thy twenty five. This is the crossover
you've all been waiting for. Probably next from Doctor Who
in Star Trek, you've got Squatch Detective and the Fork
Shop with our friends here tonight for a very exciting
episode because Steve and I happened to be two of

(02:22):
the most senior podcasters on Bigfoot on the planet. Steve,
how the hell are you doing, my friend?

Speaker 7 (02:29):
We're doing wonderful, marvelous as I like to say, look
out for that.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Just go buy my own microphone trying to take me out.

Speaker 8 (02:38):
Yeah, you know, it's amazing, you know.

Speaker 7 (02:41):
And how many years we've been doing this that we
haven't been injured having on the job podcasting injury, although
I did have a podcast once where a meteor did
explode overhead and that was called audio.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Well, we did have one related injury I remember, and
that was the Henry May spilling noodles on his cry Yes,
oh yeah, that was a We used that sound bite forever.
Let's know. We also used to have the annual Ramen
Noodle Awards, because it literally sounded like a YETI screaming
in the we'll have to fight. I think, Yeah, I

(03:19):
think Steve has it. I think occasionally from time to
time he plays it. But what a hell of a
time we had back in the early days, back in
blog talk radio. None of us on that platform anymore,
but here we are still making it, still going. And Steve,
I guess you know, for folks who aren't familiar with you, Steve,
you've you've got a background in private investigating loss prevention,

(03:44):
with evidence analysis and forensics. You've done just about every
type of investigating you can think of. You've used that
to build your framework for the investigating you do into
cryptozoological and paranormal phenomena. You just don't do bigfoot. You
branch across the whole spectrum. But you and I have

(04:05):
You know, we became a quainted and became friends over
the sasquatch mystery.

Speaker 8 (04:10):
Sure, and yeah, the paranormal thing.

Speaker 7 (04:13):
I was in it from about twenty ten till about
twenty nineteen.

Speaker 8 (04:17):
I've kind of stepped back from that a little bit now.

Speaker 7 (04:20):
You know, a lot of boohoo weird stuff too, weird
for me, and the.

Speaker 8 (04:27):
I mean weird, I mean weird physically.

Speaker 7 (04:31):
You know, in my tenure of doing that, I got
a lot of physical ailments that were Bell's palsy and
hives and boils and really.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
All the biblical legs. Huh.

Speaker 8 (04:43):
I know.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, well you know that's the associated dangerous with that,
with that, yeah, right, it's these things do happen. I
know this isn't a paranormal podcast per se, but you know,
that was one of the fears I've always had going
into doing those type of research, as Steve is, the
you know, potential attachment or the physical you know, ramifications

(05:06):
of doing that investigating and folks, rather you believe it
or not, you know, Steve will tell you that these things,
you know, sometimes it's more than a coincidence.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
Well yeah, I mean I to get hives, I mean
I didn't have hives since I was a little kid.
To get boils that even my doctor says, I just
don't understand it. And then I and then you know,
another year, I go to him, I have Belt's palsy.
I had Belt's palsy for a few weeks and he says,
I can't explain why this happened. Yeah, yeah, so it's
just and it was always right after certain investigations.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Right, and when you do as much public presenting as
you do, you know, Bell's palsy is no picnic.

Speaker 8 (05:44):
No no.

Speaker 7 (05:45):
But luckily I caught it within like when it for
the onset it first happened. Because my first fear was
is that I was having a mini.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Struggle, right, very symbiatic.

Speaker 7 (05:56):
But when I got to the er, the doctor explained
to me and showed me how to tell the difference.

Speaker 8 (06:01):
And it had to do with the eyebrows.

Speaker 7 (06:04):
If you can move your eyebrow, like your one eyebrow
on the side that's not moving because my eyebrows, my
eye wouldn't move, and or my eye lids wouldn't move.
So he's, you know, automatically, they put you on anti
viral stuff, he says, because we caught it early. Should
clear up in nine days and you'll be fine. No
permanent effects. The people who get the permanent affection, the

(06:26):
people who don't treat it for way too long, gotcha.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Or have botox in their eyebrows. I guess then you're screwed. Hey, Henry,
thanks for popping in the night. Henry may, folks, Henry,
Henry must be having some difficult there is we got
a little bit of signal back Welcome the planet Earth, Henry.

Speaker 8 (06:50):
I was having some difficulties, Steve. Oh Henry.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
So Steve, Steve and I started talking last week. I mean,
Steve and I talked rand throughout the year, but we
started talking last week because he's got a new book
coming out. He's got four books previous to this, and
if you want him to start getting into your you
go to Squatchdetective dot com. I'm sure he's got links
to buy his books on there. But you got fifty
large The Real Story of the Georgia Bigfoot Body Hoax,

(07:16):
What would Sasquatch Do? The Sasquatch Playbook, The Psychology of Bigfoot,
and the brand new book coming out, Bigfoot, A Scientific Examination.
So Steve's got quite the writing credentials behind him now
writing his fifth book, which, folks, it could probably be
six or seven books if you'd have broken up a

(07:36):
little bit. But this new one's atone and we're excited
to talk about it tonight, Steve, so let's dive right
into it. What the hell prompted you to write this one?

Speaker 7 (07:48):
Well, the funny thing is the last book I wrote,
The Psychology of Bigfoot, was really my antithesis of the
Bigfoot witness very you know, everything is in science and
references and citations and trying to put it all together
on what you know, what makes a real bigfoot witness

(08:09):
seem credible, what makes a phony bigfoot witness sound not
so credible, and how to kind.

Speaker 8 (08:16):
Of tell the difference.

Speaker 7 (08:18):
And then we talk about other things like PTSD and
and why we don't get good photographs and pictures.

Speaker 8 (08:24):
Well, I decided to start.

Speaker 7 (08:26):
Doing a scientific paper on the psychology of bigfoot witnesses.
And when I got done with it, I was like,
you know, I should do this on all the great
questions and my philosophies and the reason why you know,
when people say, you know, well can bigfoot use in

(08:51):
for sound? Well can it? Let's do the research on it,
let's look it up, let's take some sources, and before
you know it, in the book, I have forty nine
separate scientific papers broken up into three separate categories, with
an introductory scientific paper and an epilogue scientific paper which

(09:16):
it'd be very quite. The introductory one is basically making
a case for a bigfoots as or creating a scientific
profile of the Bigfoot, and at the very end is
all the evidence that supports Bigfoot being a real creature.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
Nice, I was trying to pull the paper up here,
I had it saved into my can I ask a question,
You can ask all you want to, Buddy.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
So you've been gathering evidence of witnesses for.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
How many years?

Speaker 8 (09:53):
Since nineteen ninety eight?

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Okay, so this might work.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
I'm not sure have you noticed that at the physical
representation of witnesses idea of what Bigfoot has has evolved
to what is shown on multimedia and movies and things
like that. Like lately, I've noticed a lot of the
Bigfoot esque hype. Things all look like Harry from Harry

(10:22):
and the Hendersons, But before that movie came out, they
had a different look.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
It's kind of like how all the grays kind.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
Of look like the given alien from like Paul or
the given alien from another movie or Close Encounters of
the Third Kind, but originally they looked slightly different.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Do you see that evolution too?

Speaker 7 (10:43):
No, and actuality. In New York, the Bigfoot are actually
described as quite lanky. As a matter of fact, one witness
I talked to last year or I'm sorry the year
before last said it looked like almost like a hippie.

Speaker 8 (11:00):
He goes, it just was.

Speaker 7 (11:01):
Like kind of, you know, very longish, shaggy, you know,
grayish hair. It wasn't even a brown or a reddish
brown or a black they put it was kind of grayish.

Speaker 8 (11:11):
So I have not seen that most of that.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
Most of the time, we don't see that robust, hairy
Harry and the Henderson's type big foot. Here in New York,
we always see the lanky, which which to me kind
of supports that people are all seeing the same type
of creature because of the description.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Well thank you, because I get a lot.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
I mean, me and Shawn go to a lot of
these places and people come up with the stories, and
I've just noticed that the narrative or what the story
looks like, Like my friend Snuffy makes some really cool bigfoots.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
They all have that look.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
But he's doing it as an artist and that's what
he's using it from interpreting from not just Harry, but.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
You know whatever.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
But I noticed that a lot of the people when
they start explaining bigfoot, and me and Foker and Matt
have had this conversation multiple times.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
We teach people how to fake sightings. We teach people how.
We don't mean to, but we have the conversation. People
listen and then they fake something, you know what I mean.
But I want to know if you were catching any
of that.

Speaker 7 (12:11):
Well, well, throughout history, you know, we you know, as
you know creatures of habit, we tend to describe things
like we know them. You go back to the eighteen hundreds,
everybody called them wild men, right, you know, but they
would describe essentially the same thing, large footprints covered in

(12:32):
reddish brown hair or brownish hair.

Speaker 8 (12:36):
I've heard them described it.

Speaker 7 (12:37):
I've seen newspaper reports from the eighteen hundred describing them
as bear men. And then you know, somebody said there
was you know, gorillas loose in the woods.

Speaker 8 (12:47):
You know.

Speaker 7 (12:47):
So as we got to know the known creatures, people
kind of associated what they look like with them.

Speaker 9 (12:55):
I'm just going to say this, I really have to
to interrupt here. So Steve, you mentioned about a witness
stating that it looked like a hippie and these guys here. Now,
my mom had an encounter, you know, back in the
nineteen eighties, and she doesn't know anything about you know,

(13:15):
but she described it as like a long stringy hair,
you know, like rock type person. You know, she didn't
use the term hippie, but she used the term, you know,
like you know, somebody you'd see walking down the road
with the long, greasy hair, And that's exactly. But she

(13:36):
said it was a monster. It had a nape like face.
But as soon as you said that, I was like, wow,
that hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
We do have a question here from Scott the chat.
Scott asked, picking up from Baker's line of thought, do
you feel though that there are enough stories out there
now that people could create a credible sounding report without
a personal experience.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Well, one of the things I try to do is
educate people, because yeah, people can create credible sounding stories,
but they fall apart upon questioning, and a lot of times.

Speaker 8 (14:15):
Even the stories break apart.

Speaker 7 (14:18):
And I'll give you a great example from the famous case,
the bigfoot peeper case, where the guy had filmed this
thing in the window originally this is before and he
had the pictures. You know, he's saying he sat there
and filmed it for seven minutes.

Speaker 8 (14:37):
Then his wife came in and screamed. So then.

Speaker 7 (14:41):
I put my camera down and I got my gun. Well,
why why would you film it for eight minutes? And
then because your wide screams, you feel the need to
get your gun. You know, if what I've tried to
do is try to take it from a like a
criminal psychology type of work, look at the the pre

(15:01):
offense behavior, of the offense behavior, and the post offense behavior,
and if none of it makes sense, and that obviously
didn't make sense, is like, wait a minute, you're filming
for seven minutes and your wife walks, and you didn't
say anything to your wife, Hey, honey, look out the window,
and then when she screams, then you then you decide
to put your camera down and get your None of

(15:22):
it makes sense.

Speaker 8 (15:23):
Yeah, So a lot of the stories.

Speaker 7 (15:25):
That come out that come out, and there was a
recent one I just did on my show and I
don't have the details enough of my head to paraphrase
it too well. But again, the story did not It
broke down because it did not make natural order sense
or psychological sense.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
No, And I think you know, the frame of thought
that you're on is spot on people's behaviors often a
lot more telling than what they're actually saying right, and
I think, you know, I think you're one of the
people to teach me that a long time ago. But
it's the things that aren't said that are the giveaways.
And to your point, and that one, you know, I

(16:07):
don't know how many people if you have other folks
around you see something so extraordinary, you're not going to
call somebody and say, hey, someone else, get a set
of eyes on this, What the hell is this? And
in that particular instance, you know, the wife comes in
the room and screams, you know, probably didn't happen, You're right,
more likely didn't happen that way. I just have my

(16:27):
seat in my mind Steve going after that guy like
George Anderson does with the guy in the bike. Do
you know what I'm talking about? Like, Yeah, what you
really did is got scared and ship your pants and
you know, fell off your bike. He didn't touch it,
you know, and it was all It's all downhill from there.

(16:51):
But when you go through. I finally got the book
pulled up here again. I thought I had it saved
in my files, but it doesn't like that. And folks,
I'm not kidding here when I say it's comper hints
of the table of contents, though we were saying right
before we came up, if you're somebody that's going to
use this as a reference book, somebody that's going to
use it to help them along. Steve has this framed
out very well because it's broken up in sections biological, psychological,

(17:15):
social science, and case studies furthering the research. I mean,
it's all there, and I haven't made it all the
way through the book yet. It's almost the size of
Sasquatch Games among us. Steve, you might have the next
book here to go up on the shelf next to it,
But there are some very important topics that he touches
on in here, and guys, there are topics that we've

(17:35):
touched in the past, but one are the interesting ones.
I want to talk to you about, Steve, camouflage, because
you know we hear all the time. Is it become
a woo thing or a situation where this thing kind
of looks like the predator the Shimmerman scenario going on
out there, But how Bigfoot just disappears or how it reappears.

(17:59):
What's your thoughts on that. We don't have to go
into the whole giveaway because we are trying to sell
a book here for you. But you know, some interesting
topics that I think we didn't talk about. This is
well of them.

Speaker 7 (18:08):
Well, you know, it's kind of funny. I covered this
in a couple of different ways. In one particular way
in the new book, I cover it more of the
animal world type of nature is that you know, there's
lots of you know, creatures that adapt, including jimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans.

(18:30):
They have natural camouflage. They blend just like a deer.
A deer blends toe into the forest. You hear a
lot of times people see a deer cross the road.
As soon as it goes into the forest, you look
as you're driving by, you don't see it. It didn't cloak,
it didn't jump into a portal, it didn't shape shift,
it didn't it didn't turn into the predator. It just
naturally blends and with the fauna. Now, if you add

(18:54):
a little bit of the psychology element of that, now
you're seeing something and your mind is stuttering a little
bit to figure out what am I looking at? And
by the time you're looking it's gone and you've completely
lost your kind of bearing on it. So there's a
lot of normal reasons why Bigfoot disappears.

Speaker 8 (19:14):
Into the woods.

Speaker 7 (19:15):
It's not because its shape shifts or it's translucent or
any of that. There's a lot of stuff that that
you know, obviously our metabolism or primate metabolism is not
high enough to do those sorts of things. That's you know,

(19:35):
is basically claimed by the WU factor.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Well we sorry, go ahead, Jis.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
We had this actually same discussion multiple times. Was So,
I'm digging a hole for my golf course, my mini.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Put and I'm putting in one of those plast liners
and I'm digging. I got a pick axe, I'm digging everything.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
There's a deer behind me, maybe as close as the.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
The behind me is from where I am.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
He's been there fifteen minutes that I can think of.
There's a deer across the thing. They both see me
the whole time, but I didn't recognize they were there
until the one deer decided to make enough noise that
I heard him. And I think that's what people don't realize.
Also is is because we're walking into their territory, they're

(20:23):
aware we exist, and then we acknowledge their existence, but
by then they already have.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Oh, Hey, Bob's over there, Steve's over there.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
I'm watching him, but I also know my exit planned
if Steve notices me, and.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
I don't want to interact anymore.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Where you're just like, oh, you're here, and then they're gone,
and you're like, oh, it's got to be It's not magic.

Speaker 8 (20:46):
They've planned that whole interaction right now.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
Now, just picture that being a primate doing that, not
an ungulate.

Speaker 8 (20:56):
How much more smarter is that going to be?

Speaker 9 (20:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (20:59):
Right?

Speaker 4 (20:59):
And one of the things I appreciate about again going
into the book is in each one of these sections,
each one of these papers, you do have it chimpanzees, gorillas, right,
You have known animal behaviors and no animal characteristics as
a reference point in there. So you do a lot
of the homework for the people that are reading this book,

(21:19):
which is, you know, the purpose of you actually are
writing a scientific paper people like you, you know, give
a damn about and want to learn something from. Particularly,
the camouflage is important because I think you touch in
there too on you know, the type of hair, hair
coloration it you know, the coloration being important because of

(21:41):
how easily it can blend into the environment, the natural
environment Banker, you're talking about deer. You know that deer
is the perfect color to blend into the area around it.
Why would a bigfoot be any different in that respect?
Bears are that way, other animals that reside in the
wilderness are that way. But now think about it, what

(22:02):
was the was it the now I'm losing my train
of thought here, But there was an animal whose hair
is designed pretty much to kind of take on that
characteristics or you know, reflect that coloration, and you know,
make it maybe it's a bear right that, you know,
make it even more susceptible than you in No, you're right,
because I think it was you that brought brought it

(22:23):
up to me bakery and got me the zoo books
when I was good, and that's where he ended his
uh his education. You make you make a perfect point?

Speaker 5 (22:35):
Is The thing with the deer is, though, is like
I was.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
In their habitat.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
I was making all kinds of noise, so they knew
where I was exactly, and I had no clue they
were stalking at me. If it would have been a
bear or something huger than wanted to kill me, I's
done because I haven't noticed.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Until they come at me. But just like most people
that have an encounter with a big foot, you're just
doing everyday things. You're not doing anything out of the ordinary.
I was just watching this one of these last episodes,
I think was Skyline Sasquatch. They were talking to Mike
Lucci and we were talking to Mike on the video,
and Mike's like, you know, when I looked at all
these reports, at least over sixteen percent of these reports

(23:15):
were driving encounters, people seeing these things as they're driving.
You know, when most folks, unless you're us and you're
out there with the express purpose of trying to look
for bigfoot, aren't out there trying to find bigfoot. They're
just doing their normal, everyday thing. And I think when
they stumble upon a bigfoot, I really believe it was
because the bigfoot made a mistake.

Speaker 7 (23:37):
Now, you know what, I don't think that's necessarily true.
I think the bigfoot's just going about is a lot
of times, like you have the roadside crossings and stuff
like that, that's just a.

Speaker 8 (23:48):
Bigfoot doing their things.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
That's normal thing, right.

Speaker 8 (23:52):
I don't think they made a mistake.

Speaker 7 (23:53):
I think it's just a complete happenstance, Like because a
lot of times the Bigfoot looks just as surprised as.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
We do in most situations. And I could see to
that point. I think what I'm talking about is some
of these more like obscure in the woods type sightings.
Maybe not so much the roadside one, Steve, because I
think you might have a point there. But these things
are seen accidentally, and that would be the hence it's

(24:22):
surprise too, like Wow, I can't believe my slip yap
and screwed up. But then there's these reports, you know,
these things stepping out of portals and these things. And
I just had an interview earlier today and the host
was really pressing on some of the more paranormal aspects
of this, and fairly he had a lot of, you know,

(24:43):
interesting questions like how do we know it's not true
because we can't, Steve, you make this point in your book,
like it's not I'll let you make your point again.

Speaker 7 (24:52):
Well, the biggest thing about adding the paranormal aspect to
this is something called anthropomorphism.

Speaker 10 (25:02):
Right, we tend to assign human thought processes, human behaviors,
and human.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
Motives to animals that are not humans. We cannot even
do that with chimpanzees. And I just finished up another book,
What would Sasquatch Do Too, which is coming out in April. Again,
very much like this book, except for it's a little less.

(25:32):
It's not written like a scientific paper or sorry, a
series of papers. It goes in different chapters. It discusses
the behaviors of that, and I discuss anthropomorphism in that
as well, and we can very easily assign, you know,
and admittedly there were some primatologists that originally had anthropomorphosized

(25:54):
some chimpanzee behaviors and then they realized who we were wrong,
It was actually the and why they were doing this
was because of this like you always hear that thing, Well,
if you kill this asquatch, if there's a dead body,
you better look out because they're going to be coming
back for revenge. Revenge is as a human motive, right right,

(26:14):
that's anthropot morph as an animals in wildlife, including chimpanzees,
don't have this revenge motive.

Speaker 8 (26:22):
I'm gonna get I'm gonna get even with this guy.
They just don't have that.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Steve, we have another question from Scott. Scott asked do
you feel that as we have become more civilized, our
ability to see animals or be aware of creatures in
nature has decreased. By being able to see deer bigfoot
in their natural habitat, have we distracted ourselves to the point, Steve,
that we can't even notice them when they are around?

Speaker 7 (26:49):
It depends again. It's I'll give you a great example.
We are attuned to our environment, all right. You ask
somebody that grew up on the streets of New York City.
They can stand on the street corner if somebody shady
comes walking around the corner, they're gonna know it in
a heartbeat.

Speaker 9 (27:10):
Right.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
If you grew up in the woods or the forest,
you're gonna know when something is a mess. So it
doesn't have to do with necessarily our intelligence or losing something.
It just happens to where our natural habitat is. The
forest is no longer our habitat. It's it's the urban

(27:31):
jungles that are our habitats now, right.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Fair enough, folks were at that time of the mid show,
We're gonna take our break, folks. You're listening to the
Sasquatch Experience showing Forker, James Baker, Matt Arner, Henry May
with our guest tonight, Steve Coles Vince Nesbit is out
for the evening, but he did leave us with this
nice little ditty, so we'll catch on the flip side, folks,
stay tuned.

Speaker 9 (27:52):
New Steam A symbol.

Speaker 8 (28:01):
I want a dog. You guys have dogs? You got dog? Hell?

Speaker 11 (28:03):
Yeah, man, you're right under my nose this whole time.
You got two dogs. One of them is husky and
ones an Australian shepherd. What is it a lab? And Okay,
I wasn't close at all, but you have an energy
that's like you know what? Sure, that's what I got?

Speaker 8 (28:18):
Man? Ah.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yes, fur babies. You know our friends, the far Georgio's
they lost a fur baby family member, and all of
us here at the Sasquatch Experience want to extend our
condolences to Eric and Carrie far Georgio. Iggy was a
good pup. And on that note, happy Monday night to

(28:43):
you all. As the cold wind and snow blows, but
out of Ohio there was an Ohio hunter could not
believe his eyes when he ascended his tree stand and
spotted what appeared to be bigfoot bounding across a field.
Witness Andrew Bonn reported the possible sasquatch sighting, which occurred

(29:04):
on the afternoon of December twenty eighth near the community
of Mansfield, Ohio. He reported this to the BFROO late
last month. While appreciating the expanse of view provided by
a newly installed tree stand, the hunter recalled he suddenly
caught sight of something unusual off in the distance. Quote

(29:29):
it was a bigfoot, Bond marveled or a very big person,
fast moving across a wide open field. The peculiar biped
creature he observed took fast, big steps, not running, but
still covering ground faster than someone should. It seemed very odd,

(29:49):
Bonn explained, and explained excuse me that he noticed the
mysterious figure because it was dark in color, which caused
it to stand out from the wheat field it was crossing.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
Quote.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I was looking for deer and saw this thing, the
hunter wrote, and I almost freaked out. I would have
freaked out. Bond subsequently descended the tree stand to allow
his stepfather a chance to see the creature, but it
had vanished into the woods before he could catch a
glimpse of it. A follow up investigation by Matt Moneymaker

(30:27):
found the sighting report to be credible, the Sasquatch researcher
specified and pointed to Bond's observation of the creature moving
with brisk strides rather than full out run as an
indication that the figure could very well have been a

(30:49):
baked for it when we come back. Ow. Fuck, see
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here on the Sasquatch Experience. And as Steve calls, Allie says,
after slapping a big foot in the face with a
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Speaker 4 (33:32):
The Vance nesbit, folks, I challenge you to a duel, sir,
you big Harry, Big Harry bastard and folks, just to clarify,
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(33:57):
like to throw that out there because Vance always kind
of you never know what Vance is gonna throw out
there with that. But Willie wish Vance was here with
us tonight, Thoughie he had some very important things to
take care of, more important than us, but we do
appreciate him setting along this week's big Foot bull Horn
and again the falc Arkansas Monster Conference. Go check that out, Steve,

(34:25):
have you been down to one of those yet?

Speaker 7 (34:28):
I spoke at the twenty I think I spoke that
was the twentieth. Yeah, the twenty anniversary Texas Bigfoot Conference.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
You had to look at one of his posters in
the water. I did, Steve and I even before we
came on air tonight. We forget which conferences we've gone
to because we've gone to so many, and that's one
of the downsides to knowing each other for so long,
but being around you have to remember it. Once upon
a time there weren't so many conferences. Now there's almost

(35:03):
a different one a weekend, which is not necessarily a
bad thing, because you know, we want this to be
a you know, a lucrative experience. Oouch, damn it again,
a lucrative experience for everybody. But it's just a lot.

Speaker 8 (35:19):
Is that Mike spring loaded?

Speaker 4 (35:23):
I don't know what you know. I switched boom Arms
tonight because it the old one just wasn't cutting it.
But every time I turn around, I smacked myself in
the face of the boom. Here comes the boom. That's
gonna be the new tagline for the show, Big Thanks. Anyhow,
back to the important thing Steve called. So we were
before we went on break. We were talking about camouflage

(35:45):
and had some good discussion around that. But a couple
more topics that I think we have to go into
Steve is you know, you have an interesting piece on
vocalizations in there, and vocalizations are interesting, right, And I
like how you break it down and you give associated
primates with the type of calls they're known for and

(36:06):
what they mean. And when we were on another show,
you and myself and Eric Altman, we were on Billy
Willard Show Sasquatch Watch Radio. We were talking about communication
and I think you and I are pretty much aligned
here on on communicating and I think it does kind
of relevate to the intelligence that they hold.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
Right, Yeah, I mean they are are intelligent.

Speaker 7 (36:35):
They may not have as an extensive communications set as
we do. They don't write things, right, you know that
that is a whole other level. They're not seen, you know,
I know there's a lot of people that think, oh, well,
they speak like a language such as this or that.
But if you compare them, you know, if you compare

(36:57):
that again anthropomorphism sting into that theory as well. But
the other thing is, we don't see them using fire,
we don't see them using complicated tools. You know, if
they're going to actually have an advanced language such as US,
one would think or you know, some people say, oh,

(37:17):
it sounds like a native American language or whatever.

Speaker 8 (37:20):
You know, if they were to have.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
A language, you would think they would be a little
more far along the evolutionary chain, using fire, using a
little more complicated tools, they would be in the next
step of evolution.

Speaker 8 (37:31):
But they're not.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah, I agree with that. And the different types of
primates and the different types of vocalizations that they use.
You've what have you noticed in similarities between sasquatch and
known primates.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
Well, you know, from what the biggest thing I've noticed
is the hoots, the whoops, the whoops and the hoots.

Speaker 8 (37:57):
You know.

Speaker 7 (37:58):
Myself and I was out a couple of years ago
in my research area, one where I've had two sightings
my own self amongst other people over the years It's
where the Ford m cast came from.

Speaker 8 (38:12):
It's, you know, where my primary research area.

Speaker 7 (38:15):
A couple of years ago I was out there with
with Mike Lucci and Alex Pettakov and a filmmaker by
the name of Eric Swanson, and Eric had his recorders
going thank goodness, and I am in the camp and
Alex and Mike and Eric are on the roadside and

(38:36):
I start, I start, I whistle a couple of times
and I go, come on, fellas, I've been coming up
there for twenty years. You know who I am. Come on,
just make yourself known. And you know, within two and
a half minutes we get a whoop call and it
was recorded by Eric and it was clear as day.

(38:56):
So they do respond. And again that's ante morph advising
a little bit on my end by speaking English to them,
but I figured they know my voice. They hear me
for the last twenty years of going to this research area,
and in twenty ten through twenty thirteen, they were very
responsive when they would hear me. I would always come there.

(39:17):
I've always came there and announced myself. And very similar
to the way Jane Goodall did it with the chimps
and the way Dianne Fosse did it with the gorillas.
Is you got to make yourself known. If you keep
making yourself known and they realize you're not a threat,
then they're liable to kind of warm up to you

(39:37):
a little bit.

Speaker 8 (39:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Well, it's kind of no different than cats or dogs. Right.
They may not understand a lick of our English, but
they sure do understand our tone, they understand our intent. Right,
And while it's not we don't anthropomorphosize them, we do
kind of in a way where we give the more
attributes that they understand a lot more than they actually do, right,

(39:59):
And I think think it's healthy to try to, you know,
project some of that. I several times going on a.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
Really interesting note, Sean, this is something dogs that do
that chimpanzees cannot, and that is do you know dogs
are born with the ability to look where we point
in their DNA. Interesting, They puppies will do it. You
start pointing at a puppy and the puppy will look.

(40:31):
But they've tried it with wolves, they've tried it with foxes,
and they've tried it with chimpanzees and none of them
do that.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
And it's just probably from domestication through DNA. It's a DNA, right, Well,
you know we've often talked about that kind of response.
You know, we have a embedded response to certain situations. Right,
it's almost like a learned behavior that's been you know,
a DNA passed through. Right, Why would that be any

(41:00):
different from dogs? And we've been domesticating them for thousands
of years, so, like, it's not new. I think that's
fascinating though I didn't know that until it said that.

Speaker 8 (41:08):
That's why you're like, but again, though, you know.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
That's not projected, that's proven, right.

Speaker 8 (41:16):
That's evolution. It's just how they evolved.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Matt Henry Bank, any questions for Steve Here in the
vocalizations category, you're muted, Matt, almost unmuted.

Speaker 8 (41:35):
There you go, there you go.

Speaker 9 (41:36):
No, I was just gonna say the whole thing with
the pointing thing. I know my dog every time I point,
she doesn't look that way. Yeah, she's she just does
her own thing.

Speaker 8 (41:47):
What kind of dog.

Speaker 9 (41:48):
It's a pug, just like oh yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
If I had food there, maybe she would she would
do that. But uh so you go into the differ
different type of vocalizations through prime eates what was besides
the whoop? What other vocalization do you think is key

(42:12):
for Sasquatch.

Speaker 7 (42:16):
I think the biggest one is not so much the
scream because they're from a distance. The vocals I like
to hear are the ones that are closer by the
whoops and probably a grunt or two.

Speaker 8 (42:34):
Now.

Speaker 7 (42:34):
I caught a one, believe it or not, on my
recorder back in twenty ten. And what we did is
I left a recorder going in the camp and we
left the camp to go walking. And within a half
hour of that recorder being there, something you could hear
something walking up to You can hear leaf litter movement,

(42:58):
and you just shar this. So the grunt thing is
very you know, that's more of a to me. It's
more of a curiosity thing to them, you know. But
the whoop, their whoops, the reason why they're so important
is that is their way of checking in, you know,

(43:22):
and if they're gonna whoop, but yeah, they're just checking in,
and that means you're looking at a more friendly encounter,
you know.

Speaker 8 (43:30):
And in my in my research area, we.

Speaker 7 (43:32):
Had and I'm going to give away a little secret,
I have a bonus in what would sasquatch do coming out.
It's a series of pictures where we actually got a
profile of what we believe is one of the creatures.
We got an eve shine as it's walking by us,
just one eye, just one eye, and you actually have

(43:54):
a series of two pictures. We heard it and I
had a flash camera. This goes back to twenty I
think twelve. But as they get to know you, we
would constantly have this movement in towards our camp. We
would go out, they would move back, and then we
would go back to camp, and then they would come
back in and this would go on all night long,

(44:16):
you know. And there would be times we had walk
down the roadway and we would be parallel, parallel, we'd
hear something walking on both sides of the road with us.
To the point where I came back and I sent
my son and his buddy down.

Speaker 8 (44:31):
I go to a walk down. Let me know what.

Speaker 7 (44:33):
They came back and something was following us on both
sides of the road, Like uh huh. So you get
this case, and that was the whole goal at that time.
We were really building that interaction. But over the years,
something terrible happened was called the pandemic and what happened
is everybody went to the woods, and for the last

(44:55):
couple of years it's been really quiet there, but then
all of a.

Speaker 8 (44:57):
Sudden it's starting to pick up a little bit again.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Yeah, you know, that's a good point though, the increased
activity of folks going into the wilderness because it's the
only place you could go. You know, I had to
have stirred up, you know, and pushed them away or
pushed them further into these spots that they do go to.
It made a big difference, I think, or Matt and
I because we live in such we research in such

(45:25):
a remote area. I think we were lucky, Steve, just
because population density there weren't a lot more people going
to these areas. You know, we're not the areas we
search aren't really a state park in a park, but
it's not an area people go. There's no attraction to
go there outside of hunting season. Would you agree with that, Matt, Like,
there's nothing really driving folks there.

Speaker 9 (45:48):
Arbitrarily, Yeah, I mean this area here, it's so remote
and it has the area where we're at, we're right
next to the largest roadless area in Pennsylvania. So really
the only people that come up there are you know,
fisherman hunters and you know people camping and backpacking. And

(46:12):
when people backpack, they're just staying on the trail. They're
not going off trail. They're not going into the into
the deep hollows that you know I've been exploring. And
but the problem is is that there's so many of
them up there that it's like looking for a needle
in a haystack.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Oh good god. Well you can get lost, Steve, just
by driving the back roads if you didn't have an
expert like Matt uh Take. We have to get you
up here or down here to our area. You know,
Steve's to the north of us. We have to get
him out to the area. We just had Alex and
Mike Lucci there last year, and they've been coming out

(46:54):
with us because it's an area of high interest. I think, Yeah,
we'd like to see you get out.

Speaker 7 (46:59):
You got you guys got to come up to the
Adiron to accident fall time, yea, and come up to
my research area because it's always there's always something that
goes on, you know, not always.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
But we we have to. We have to. I'm a
I'm a big fan of squatching. When the weather's a
little cooler. I'm getting a little older and a little fatter,
so don't exactly enjoy the humidity if you catch the drift.

Speaker 8 (47:25):
And that's the other thing too.

Speaker 7 (47:26):
In that particular part where I'm at, the peak season
seems to be August, September, October, November and dies out,
you know, through mid December.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Right now, Why do you think that is? Do you
think the activity dies down, Steve and they go to
areas where it's a little bit more temperate, or do
you think it's because there's not a lot of people
out there to report it?

Speaker 8 (47:48):
Well, the reason why I think, I mean, I'm not
sure the reason why they go to that particular area
in the first place. But if you look at.

Speaker 7 (47:58):
The dynamics of the area, you have the you know, Whitehall,
New York, which is the Bigfoot capital of New York,
right and it's nestled in between the eastern side of
the Adirondack State Park and the Green Mountain National Forest.

Speaker 8 (48:13):
Now in the Adirondacks.

Speaker 7 (48:15):
In the fall time, by the winter time, all the
trees in that part of the Adirondacks, which is maple
birch oak, they all lose their leaves so there's no cover,
but the Green Mountain National Forest is you know, deciduous
fir trees and evergreen. So I think what happens is

(48:40):
we think we've noticed there's a movement in the springtime
into the Adirondacks, and in the fall time it's back
to the Green Mountains, or right by December, I should say,
it's back to the Green Mountains. And what's in the
crossairs Whitehall, New York, which is why they have so
many sightings.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Right, it's Matt. You were kind of on this last
episode of Skyline Sasquatch. Yeah, the Adirondack Bigfoot Files. You
kind were talking about that yourself, but you know about
the the transversing of the Appalachian Trail, but also the
you know, I don't want to call it migration because
it's really not migration but movement Sasquatch movement. Ye, which,

(49:23):
by the way, folks, if they haven't, they got to
check that out.

Speaker 7 (49:25):
It's actually it's actually a seasonal migration, and it is
you know what it is common amongst primates. We did
it as Aboriginal Native Americans. You know, they had their
summer homes and their winter homes too, So right, it's
it's the beautiful thing about primate behavior. It's constant amongst.

Speaker 8 (49:47):
All of the great apes.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Ye, more info for you folks. That's why we like
to have people like Steve on the show to help
educate some of the dumb ones like us, Henry, what
do you got see? You're popping there? Brother, he's muted. No,
hold on a second, I think, Henry, hold on, try

(50:14):
that again, Mulla me testing testing, Now, we gotcha.

Speaker 12 (50:24):
Oh okay, No, I had a statement and I wanted
to make about how people get into the wood and everything. Well,
you know, the lad John Green said he didn't feel comfortable.
He didn't he didn't feel there's anything attractive about bringing
about solving one mystery by bringing in another mystery, which

(50:46):
I ever to agree with.

Speaker 7 (50:49):
Well, you know, the the amazing thing about that is
it is attractive to a lot of people for the
fact is it gives them an out or a way
to explain everything.

Speaker 8 (51:02):
You know.

Speaker 7 (51:02):
Well, the reason it's paranormal, you know, it's trying to
explain something without explaining it. And I think for some
people who are like Eric Becher, for example, who was
a flesh and blood guy, right, but he's so anthropocentric,

(51:23):
meaning that he thinks that his species is the smartest
of them all. No, right, that that that's the reason
why we get because they're they're smarter than us. They
are you know, they can do all this magical stuff,
and that that will explain away why we can't find them.

Speaker 8 (51:41):
And that's just not good enough.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
That's just the one thing that always frustrates me about
that is there's no proof whatsoever anywhere about all these claims.
Folks make that attribute to these behaviors. What other creature
transversus dimensions? What other creatures speak to us telepathically like
what other It's not documented, it's not proven, and so

(52:07):
why try to spin these ridiculous notions to something that
we have a hard time proving in flesh and blood terms.
To people, I mean, yeah, there are many of us
that know this thing exists or would like this thing
to exist, and are comfortable making that statement. But to
the overall general public and to the scientific community, it's

(52:31):
not accepted as fact. That and when you put those
things out there makes us look even lunier than looking
for giant apes out in the woods. Like it doesn't help.

Speaker 7 (52:41):
The problem is is they listen to certain people who
have illusionary superiority. And what happens is they begin to
believe in what they are hearing, and then they become
what we call something called they have cognitive dissonance. They
don't want to listen to scientific fact. They totally reject
the facts as they see them. You know, you see

(53:04):
cognitive dissonance when it comes to the Catchum study. You
see Melba instead of taking what other scienceists are saying,
instead you have her say it's a conspiracy against me.
You know, it's very apparent that you know. And you

(53:24):
couple that with illusionary superiority, where a veterinarian thinks they're
a genetics expert, and you begin to see a trend.
And what happens is you get a bunch of people
that follow these people, and then they begin to.

Speaker 8 (53:37):
Pile on it. Before you know it, you have a
religion more than you have a science.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Right, and that gets dangerous and it becomes cult like it.
And it's not that I begrudge anybody steve from having
their own opinions. That's fine. It's when you start forcing
them at people and saying things with such certainty that
it becomes offensive and it becomes detrimental to the work
the rest of us are trying to do, and it's

(54:05):
where it just doesn't it's not where it belongs. We
do have a comment here, I'll pull up from Ron
Meldrum explaining Bigfoot mysteries with WU is like saying your
cell phone works on magic right. Well, you know, I
guess if we showed these cell phones to the you know,
unindoctrinated or folks that don't know that technology exists, it

(54:25):
would be magic right. Isn't there an Arthur C. Clark
quote around that or a quote from someone around indistinguishable
from magic?

Speaker 7 (54:35):
Today's science was yesterday's magic, right? And I forget what
movie they came from. That was a quote from a movie.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, Arthur C. Clerk.
I knew he did. He had a quote on that somewhere,
and that's true. I mean, but you know, we're not
talking about us being ignorant to technology. We're talking about
you know, not having either not having the ability to

(55:05):
detect it with our current technology, or that we're just
making shit up because it sounds cool And maybe we
saw it on an episode of some science fiction show
and thought it was a great thing to add.

Speaker 7 (55:17):
To Bigfoot, if I may, If I may add one
thing too, And one of one of my biggest pet
peeves is people assuming that Bigfoot knows what a trail
camera does, or an audio recorder does, or any of
that stuff. That is anthropomorphism to the highest extent. They
have no clue what a trail camera does.

Speaker 8 (55:38):
You know.

Speaker 7 (55:38):
If anything, they may see a foreign object can be
leery of it just for that fact.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Steve magic is fake Steve or good friend Steve who's
a magician. He's a magician, so he could say that.
And we've had that.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
Discussion here multiple times about trail cams and things like that,
and a lot of it isn't as much that it
understands how these things were is you change their environment
when you put it up, you know, And I have
proof from a trail cam. I have that when I
put the trail cam up, all the deal all the
animals flock to it because I changed the environment.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
The spells are different. I move things around.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
They want to know why they didn't care what the
box was.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
They wanted to know why that tree was important to me.

Speaker 7 (56:27):
Well, the other thing, too, is who the hell says
they didn't see it putting it up in the first place, right,
And now they're wondering, is this some sort of trap?
Is this some sort of because understand what they're learning
from us, A lot of the stuff they learn from
people that interdict into their habitats or hunters. Correct, So

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what they're learning is why is their avoidance of humans
because they're used to seeing humans and their habitats hunting
other animals and when we start setting things up, they
get leary of them, and rightfully.

Speaker 8 (57:01):
So that is proper primate lodge that can abstract bought.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Yeah, we used to talk about that quite a bit
back in the old days, Steve. You know, they got
used to anytime they pull something out to point it
towards them, they're waiting for a boom. You know, they're
not waiting for like why would you stick around wait
for something new a human to come out and take
your picture. Every time they pull something out on you,
it ends up burt hurting something or killing somebody out right,
And that's just truth.

Speaker 8 (57:27):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
We're here at the end of the show already, Steve,
when's the book coming out? For folks already asking that question?

Speaker 8 (57:32):
It comes out in March first.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
March first, to get your copy? Where can they get it?

Speaker 7 (57:38):
At min It'll be on Amazon, and I'll have the
link on my website as well as soon as it
comes out.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Your two websites for folks that want to check you out.

Speaker 7 (57:45):
Steve Well, I just have the one main website website
at Squatchtective dot com, but there'll also be a link
on any of my beginning March. The first show after
March first, we'll have a link. I think Sunday is
March second, so Sunday night we'll have the link in
the show description as well.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
All right, and they can go listen to uh, they
can go watch Squatch Detective TV, Squatch DTV s team.
Where can they check it out?

Speaker 7 (58:11):
Aut uh YouTube dot com for slash at Squatch d TV.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Man, this hour went by too quick. We got to
do this again, my friend, Absolutely anytime, Henry. Any final
thoughts there, my friend.

Speaker 12 (58:29):
Well, as far as the cult aspect, I don't want
to mention any names of cultist and bisup for their
initials are Matthew Johnson.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
Did I say that Henry throwing shave, spitting facts and
throwing shade to night Henry may he's ordering, he's ornering
Matt Bake. Any final thoughts, I'm coming.

Speaker 9 (58:52):
On, go ahead, and Matt no, I'm gonna say the
from what I saw from the book, I'm definitely gonna
get a uh, get a copy and a hard copy
of it, and it's definitely a fascinating read, so you know,
and a lot of research into that. So that was,
you know, outstanding.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
If you send me twenty five editional dollars.

Speaker 13 (59:17):
Thinking, go ahead and speaking of books, Speaking of books,
I'm a plug.

Speaker 12 (59:27):
Daniel Prince is brand new book, Bike for the Bluff Creek.
This is the next look book. Highly recommend it. You
can get it by emailing Daniel at PRIs nine two
at sbcglobal dot net.

Speaker 8 (59:43):
It's thirty nine dollars fifty four cents. Heck of a bargain.
Recommend this book highly.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
All right, ye, Steve. One question I had for you
that I didn't ask, did you learn anything new while
you were putting this book together?

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:00:06):
And what it was I actually forgot because I've already
ingrained it into my learning.

Speaker 8 (01:00:13):
But I know it had something to.

Speaker 7 (01:00:15):
Do with with with burial with because one of the
topics I cover is bury you know, do sasquatch bury
their dead? And a lot of times, you know, my
standard argument was that again that was something humans did,
and if we buried their dead, we'd be finding their
bones because burying preserves them. But how do you explain

(01:00:41):
if they die in the winter time in the northeast
the ground is so hard, right that how would they
dig them up? You know, how would they would They
would expend so much energy to do that that it
would be counterproductive to an animal in the wild, which
the reason why we are and why primates, other primates

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don't do that because they're in the wild.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
There's times we don't dig graves because the ground so frozen. Absolutely,
and we have machines to do that. Steve, my friend, again,
a pleasure. Thanks for coming on with us.

Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
Oh anytime, Thank you. I had a great time, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Thanks my friend. Folks, you've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience.
Sean Foralker, James Baker, Matt Arner, Henry may our guest tonight.
Steve calls. Thanks for listening to Henry take us out
with those dulcet tones.

Speaker 8 (01:01:35):
I'll be good, it'd be good.

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