EP 124: Bigfoot Au Naturale w/ John Hickenbottom

Ohio Naturalist John Hickenbottom joins us to discuss the new Eco-Discovery Center at Salt Fork State Park and his Bigfoot Adventures. To contact John, email him at [e-mail].

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch
Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the whole
sponsors or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener
discussion is advised.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
We have one or coming frolling around out here?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Does a legend walk among us working in the forests
of our rule?

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Did you see what it went?

Speaker 5 (00:37):
What a person or an animal?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Or I can't go off an hours? If my doctor
way came on and I did have an equip to
see the thing running across the yard, A good tried
man or nothing?

Speaker 6 (00:47):
Work like a man?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I don't know what it worked.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
For over fifteen years we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,
and witnesses trying to do an insertain proof around the
existence of this stews.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Entered quite by.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
He Hello, get nobody out here?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
What would announce the invention about nine?

Speaker 5 (01:17):
I don't know eat the annount that. Yeah, I'm walking
right away, h okay and.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah got big okay?

Speaker 7 (01:27):
What do you doing here?

Speaker 8 (01:28):
You are? What do you.

Speaker 7 (01:37):
Join us?

Speaker 9 (01:37):
As we continue into the investigation of the Sasquatch Experience, And.

Speaker 10 (02:01):
Good evening everyone, Welcome to Monday Night, May twelfth. You're
listening to the Sasquatch Experience Alive on Facebook and YouTube
and wherever you could pick up these fine streams. Also
on x where we have a decent following. We've got
a grade show tonight. We've got John Hickinbottom from Salt
Fork State Park, Ohio joining us here.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
We're gonna have a lot of fun.

Speaker 10 (02:23):
John, thanks for coming on with us tonight. It's like
we were just there a week ago.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, thanks for having me on. We've been threatening to
do this for what two years?

Speaker 10 (02:34):
And I think so and silly me because John, you know, one,
you're a hell of a nice guy. I mean, you're
the easiest person to talk to on the planet. But two,
you're just a wealth of knowledge. And I think while
we were having a conversation at the Eco Center, which
we'll talk about in a little bit, you know, just
as much as we have fun talking about Bigfoot and
exploring this mystery, there's a hell of a lot of

(02:56):
real animals that you know, pay a really important part
of the force that we traverse through and you know,
cohabitate with that are really important to the ecosystem and
really keep the keep the globe spinning, and you were
just having a conversation with us about what we were talking about,

(03:16):
weasels and so on and so forth. You know, just
very eye opening to see what how something that could
jump the chain could really just really upset the ecosystem.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I don't know, you're just at all
camera like everything out there is connected. So that's kind
of one of the things that I always sort of
explore when we talk about Bigfoot is you know, if
this animal exists, it's it is, it's connected to the

(03:49):
natural world, just like we are, and just like all
the other animals, you know, and has to look at
the same environmental hurdles that we you know, we do
and all the other things here in Ohio. I mean,
that's one of the Well, there's the Sasquatch trangle, which
I think we talked about a little. You know, parts

(04:10):
of Grimsey, Tuscoresmith, Skim and Shop County. And if you
look at eastern Ohio, like prior to a you know,
prior to European settlement, all of Ohio was covered in
an old grove forest. Right by the turn of the
twentieth century to the perman nineteenth to the twentieth century.

(04:31):
I mean that that old growth was down to a
fraction of what it used to be, you know, these
tiny little pockets of old growth. Well, now with better conservation,
the whole eastern part of the state, southeast and northeast
and part of the central you know, has all reforced
in the way, and you can kind of track sasquatch

(04:52):
sightings in Ohio along with the reforestation and the maturity
of the forests in the eastern part of the state.
At least, you know, you don't have a ton of
sasquatch sightings in the early part of the century here
in Ohio, like the early part of the twentieth century,
because you know, there was also new deer here and

(05:13):
there were no you know, there was if a deer.
If a deer showed up in you know, the suburbs,
it made the newspaper in the nineteen fifties, you know
what I mean. That was a big deal. So when
we're talking about bigfoot, I always try to I always
try to approach it like it has all the same
needs and once as all of the other animals.

Speaker 10 (05:34):
You know, I can't help but smile when you regale
these stories because you know, there's a lot of you know,
thought that goes into that and a lot of science. John,
you know you're talking about not just a historical reference,
but now you think about that the deforestation of eastern Ohio.
These creatures which are probably used to these really large

(05:55):
old growth forests, their habitat's gone, they move out, We
start reforesting, these four start growing. Here they come again
because here comes to food again, you know, you do
that food and cover, and which probably explains why there's
been this significant jump in big Foot sightings in eastern Ohio.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know, over the last here a while, you know, overall,
we've we've sort of become more conservation minded as a society.
I mean we we still it's always kind of you know,
a step ahead and two steps behind. We're always kind
of back sliding somehow, but we, uh, we've gotten more
conservation minded, you know, I mean everyone everyone gets the

(06:37):
stuff from the Arbor Day Foundation, you know, and been
mail and a lot of and I'm sure you know,
I'm sure you have retired folks in your family who
love love planting, you know, plant a tree from the
Arbor Day Foundation in your you know, in your yard,
right big big Tree planner. Yeah, so you know we've
gotten we've gotten a lot more uh, we have gotten

(06:57):
a lot more conservation minded. So it's kind of it's
kind of and you know, all over it's not just
it's not just here in Ohio, which could explain a
lot about you know, jumps. I mean, I general discussion
about Bigfoot that I have with the non bigfoot public.
You know, I'm surprised at the number of people who

(07:19):
always say, like, well, well, how can how can there
like how can he be in California and in Ohio,
Like they have this kind of they have Patty in
their head and there's just there's just the one, you know,
and they don't really think think about like, well, this
is a this is like a species with the population
and probably subspecies and you know, if it exists, it's

(07:43):
this it's this species that is you know, branched out
and has regional variations and has to have a certain
number of individuals to maintain a position. You know, that's
just sufficient meaning pool and they don't really think about that. Sometimes.
You know, there is a small fraction people that come

(08:04):
to Salt Fork that don't know anything about bigfoot, you know,
I and I it kind of it kind of surprises
me when I get that that, you know, how can
how can he be in California? But if you think
about it, where Patterson Gimmlin were, I was kind of
some of the last wilderness in North America, you know
what I mean at that time and what nineteen sixty nine,

(08:26):
you know what I mean, Like the Pacific Northwest was
sort of the that in the Appalachians, you know what
I mean, the undiscovered country during that ry. You know,
so it would totally makes sense that, like you know,
it totally makes sense that big Foo would branch back
out as as the cover and as resources sort of regenerated.

(08:51):
And I, like I said, I always kind of throw
in that, like if it exists, because that's that's kind
of the big question, isn't it, you know? And I
sometimes I'm not always a learned list of whether Bigfooted exists.
I think I might have talked a little bit with
you Sean about this at the OBC. Is sometimes like
that's not the most important question in me, Like if

(09:13):
Bigfoot is Bigfoot reel is not always the most important
question to me because because to me, it kind of
depends on how objective reel is to you, you know time. Yeah,
like so I think before we started, I mentioned Mothman
as we were talking about the statue. You know, Mothman's

(09:33):
pretty well known thanks to social media. But still, if
you go to like a Walmart in Kansas, right, a
couple of people are going to know Mothman. Like you
wearing a Mothman shirt, a few people are going to
know it. But man, you wear a Bigfoot shirt and
rule Kansas and go to you know, a Walmart, every
single person is going to know Bigfoot, right. Most of

(09:54):
them are going to know someone who uh, some of
them are going do be true believers themselves, you know.
So to me, the fact that that it is so
much part of our so much part of our collective consciousness,
it's kind of already real, you know, because of that,

(10:15):
So I'm not always that interested. What I am interested
in is if it's not real, what the heck are
the sheer volume of people what I talk to every
year seeing, you know, Like, what are they seeing? Right?
I can't say that they're all seeing a bear standing
on hind legs. And I can't say that every single
one of them is having a psychotic episode, you know,
what I mean, like, right, a small person that you're

(10:38):
having a psychotic episode, you know, Like I can't you know,
I can't say that. So what the heck are they?
That's the question with me, Like if it's not real,
if it's hands down not real. We don't have a body,
whenever find a body, it's absolutely not real. What the
heck are they seeing?

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Right?

Speaker 1 (10:52):
You know?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
That's the question only. And I tend to lean. I
tend to lean a little toward you're seeing something. And
Ockham's raisor dictates that, you know what I mean, we
have we have this legend of Bigfoot, you know, keep
it simple, stupid, correct. So I remain you know, I'm

(11:15):
always skeptical, which is what a good scientist does. But man,
I mean people are seeing something.

Speaker 10 (11:22):
You know, well you can't explain it easily away with
the mental illness, with you know, misidentifications.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
But do you even go back further dew point?

Speaker 10 (11:31):
You know, you're talking about this regional variety, which I
think adds more credence and more credibility to the existence
of this thing as because with any other animal, as
its region changes and its adaptation needs change, it's going
to be different for the environment it's in. We know
this happens john with known animals. Why would it not
happen with a large primate.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
You would have population bottlenecking where you know, certain characteristics
will become dominant, like certain recessive traits would become dominant.
You have that happen in natural in populations of animals
all of the time. I always point to black squirrels.
Everyone seeing black squirrels and they're like the city squirrels.
You know, a lot of people don't realize black squirrels

(12:14):
are not a species, like they're not their own species.
Those are what are called hypomelanistic gray squirrels. So their
hypomelanism is sort of reverse albinism. Instead of not producing melanen,
your body produce is too much melanin. Right, So they're
black gray squirrels. And what happens is the sort of
island effect in cities and city parks and college campuses

(12:36):
and things like that, where these genes kind of get
turned over over and over and a recessive trait that
only a small percentage of young would have now is
dominant they all have. You know, you have big populations
of black squirrels, these hypernoonistic squirrels. So that sort of

(12:58):
thing happens out nature. It happens naturally. So yeah, I
h and I try to handle I try to handle
Bigfoot kind of delicately when we're talking about it. You know,
I could go all in, go both barrels, but it
would it would do a disservice to the people who
are you know, who remain really skeptical, you know, and

(13:22):
who are are on the it probably doesn't exist side
of the fence, and I try to remain respectful to
all of those. And another thing though that I try
to point out is you know bigfoot. I mean, you
all have heard it over and over, like somebody says,
I mean, I'm sure you've interviewed witnesses as you who said,
you know, I haven't told anybody because I don't want
them to think that I'm crazy.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Like this.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
The guy that I told at work asked me what
I was drinking. You know. What I always tell people
is like, even how wild the story is, like even
how insane sounding the story is, I'll still try to
listen to it and go like, wow, that's interesting, you know,
like that's fascinating, And I'll still try to hear hear
them out and try to handle it delicately. I mean,

(14:04):
the OBC was a good example. I heard some really
wild stories at the OBC just this year, you know.

Speaker 8 (14:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
And I try to handle it with respect. And one
thing that I point out to people, especially non bigfoot folks,
is like, you know, and I try to point this
out when people like look look at me and they're like, well,
what are you what are you doing? Like, what are
you doing with you know, what are you doing with this?

(14:33):
Why are you doing bigfoot?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
You know?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Or they assume that it's entirely a marketing thing for
the you know what I mean, which I'm sure I'm
doing a I'm doing a bigfoot thing the Bluegrass Festival,
you know in June, So sure part of part of
it is that, But another side of it I try
to handle. I try to handle it delicately with every
story because in our society, if you say you saw bigfoot,

(15:02):
it's really easy for your buds and your coworkers to say, like,
what were you on, you know, what were you drinking? Right,
But if you flip that, like in our society, like
our Western society, if you flip that and you have
somebody saying, uh, you know, man, I saw my guardian angel,
you know what I mean. Or I spoke to a saint,

(15:24):
you know what I mean, or or I saw Jesus
And your response is like, what were you on? Like
our society dictates you're a huge jerk. Right now, that's
not everybody's belief, but still, like our society dictates that
you're a huge jerk, you know what I mean. If
your response is like, yeah, hooraight, like you talk to

(15:44):
you talk to whatever saint you know, like you're you're nuts,
you know what I mean. If your response is that
instead of going like wow, that's that's something you know,
I'm sure that meant a lot to you, you know
what I mean, Like even if that's not what you believe.
You know, I'm not terribly religious myself, but like somebody
says that, I'm totally respectful. Saying goes with like the

(16:07):
the even the most outlandish Bigfoot story that I get,
I'll usually be respectful about it. When I start getting
a little like disrespectful is when people know things, you
know what I mean, like and there's no change in
their mind. That's when I start, like I start really
kind of dropping the science and stuff because there are

(16:30):
things like there are there are things we don't know,
and we have to be okay with that, right, comfort
we got to be comfort with. Yeah, we have to
be okay with things that we don't know. So, like
you know, the the tree twists are one of those things,
like trying to say it is this specific reason when

(16:51):
you find a twisted limb eight feet off the ground. Okay,
so that's anomalous, Right, you find this twisted branch, that's anomalous.
That should be like we should figure out how it happened,
you know what I mean, and maybe not consider why
it happened until we know more, you know what I mean?
Like saying, oh, there were too many hikers and it
was frustrated, so it was twisting this branch. Well, that's
what we call wild speculation, you know what I mean.

(17:14):
Like you don't know that you're saying that with no precedence,
you know what I mean. That's when I start getting
a little weird. You can tell me the most outlandish
bidfoot story and I'll be respectful. When you start knowing
things and declaring facts that we have no way of knowing.
You know, we have no way of knowing That's when
it gets a little strange for me. You know, we

(17:35):
need to gather more information, We need to have more evidence.
I mean, we have footprint evidence, which I don't think
is taken seriously enough. An anecdotal evidence, you know. One
thing on the skeptical side of things, a lot of
people say, like, anecdotal evidence doesn't hold up in a court, right, Well,
we're not trying to. We're not trying bigfoot, you know
what I mean. Like, it's not that anecdotal evidence holds

(17:57):
up great when it comes to wildlife, right, because you
have folks who say, no, I totally saw a bobcat, right,
And that's before bobcats showed back up in Ohio and
people will say, no, I saw a bobcat on my farm,
and everybody says, oh, you're nuts. And then one gets hit,
you know, one gets hit on the freeway a couple
of months later, and oh wow, maybe you know, maybe

(18:19):
farmer Gym down the road wasn't nuts. Maybe he saw
a bobcat. You know, that's anecdotal evidance. Like he said
he saw a bobcat. There's habitat here, he saw a bobcat.
You know, I think the anecdotal evenance is important, and
you know, I also think we sometimes fail to recognize
that regardless of all of it, it is modern folklore.

(18:40):
Like we're participating in modern folklore. You know, we're building
folklore as we go, and most folklore has some kernel
truth in it. So there's got to be something to
all of.

Speaker 10 (18:51):
This, right, Absolutely, gentlemen. I kind of muted us there
so we could have so we had some background noise.
Any questions for John, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I think first I'd like to thank you for coming on.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
The Discovery Center is really neat and Salt Fork, and
it was really enjoyable to be there. You make some
key points that I really like, like the fact that
you know just that people, you know, you would think
more people would see something. And I was just thinking
to myself, because I was talking to Shan of it
this the other day, was is I maybe see one

(19:27):
bearing year from Lucky But yeah, Pennsylvania hunters killed twenty
six hundred.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I just loved to have like twenty seven hundred bearing year.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
So they're out there, they're large, but the average person
doesn't see them.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
But if you're hunting for them or you're in an
area that they're usually in your chance is like seeing
them jump. So I mean I think a lot of
people don't see it that way. And like you said,
is use an existing animal.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
And I've always said this, you know, use an existing
animal to kind of see how that animal reacts.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Like the bigfoot has to.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
Have you know, three I know, I know we go
to the mythical and some of the other but let's
just call it flesh and blood today. But it has
to have somewhere to eat, somewhere to sleep, you know,
and you know, a water source.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Those things have to happen if it's an animal that
lives on this planet, you know.

Speaker 6 (20:20):
So I think I think your ideas of how to
look at other animals and things like that are very
valid and I want to thank you for you know,
bringing those out.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. One thing that I always point out
with was the bear thing too, especially you brought up hunting.
I'm a hunter. One thing about bigfoot research is I'm
always really skeptical when somebody seems every single time they
go out right, you know what I mean, Like because
as a hunter, I know that some days you get skunked,

(20:50):
you know, some days the deer aren't there some you know,
there's twenty six hundred bear harvested in Pennsylvania or whatever
you know of others. I'd like to I'd be interested
to see how many tags get issued for bear because
I bet it's not twenty six hundred and fifty. I
bet it's much higher than twenty six hundred bear tags,

(21:10):
you know. So there's there's probably about that many people
who went out and didn't get a bear, you know,
because some things you get slunk, you know, sometimes you
don't see what you're after. So yeah, but like you said,
going to a place that has all of those requirements,

(21:32):
all of those resources that an animal needs, that your
chances of seeing that animal jump exponentially, you know. Yeah, right,
So thanks for bringing that up. That's a that's a
good point.

Speaker 10 (21:49):
Advance, Henry Matt trying to give us time here, guys.
If there's a little delay, my apologies, bit charehl you
have a whole on vue mute there you go. Yeah, yeah,
I would. I don't know if you can hear me
or not, if I'm unmuted or not.

Speaker 11 (22:08):
Well, okay, John, don't take this as a slight at all,
Please don't. But to see a theed or Roosevelt mustache
like you have. That's just as rare as having a
bigfoot siting. And I commend you for this. This is

(22:30):
this makes this absolutely makes my day. It absolutely makes
my day that that you carry that off so well, sir.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I just wanted to throw that out there. It's honestly,
I'm honestly at this point it's kind of sent you
like it's uh, but it is. Think I'm part of
my identity. No, absolutely as well as it should.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Because it's very recognizable of who you are and what
it is that you do. And you know what, fid
always Avel did the same thing, and I was like,
this is so awesome, and you know, I gave you
a silent applaud on my own terms after getting to

(23:15):
meet you and finding out what it is that you
do and.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
The things that you curate. It's it's awesome, it really is.

Speaker 10 (23:24):
And John Dookie Pickle says it doubles as a boomerang
and there.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
That's a hell of a name there, Doki. Wow, Yeah,
that's truly a bit.

Speaker 10 (23:34):
And of course Jenny, our good friend, Jenny says, the
Eco Discovery Center in Salt Fork is pretty fabulous and
we haven't even got to talk about that yet.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Well know, I want to talk about that too.

Speaker 10 (23:47):
I think we'll get to that here after our mid
show break, which will hit in just a couple of minutes.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I mean, John, I mean the Eco Discovery Center is
a pet project of yours. I've it, I.

Speaker 10 (24:02):
Want to say, I've seen them break ground on it,
and I've seen it being constructioned. It was nice to
see it actually open to the public. Yeah, and a
beautiful building.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (24:14):
Well, let's take our break now so we can get
into it and talk about it. We'll take our mid
show break. Folks, Smoke him if you got them, drain
the lizard, whatever you gotta do, because we'll be right
back with John Hick and Bottom more with the Sasquatch
experience as soon.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
As I find the video here. It is.

Speaker 12 (24:31):
A sim.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
As you can see, I took another one of those
super high detailed pictures of big Foot up in Door County.
I thought he had three legs until I figured out
it's a male. He smelled like rotten eggs. Then I

(25:03):
realized he was tapping off fart says.

Speaker 7 (25:05):
He ran Ah.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Yes, the flatulent sounds of a bigfoot the only sound
I believe James Baker can mimic quite accurately. Well, Happy
Monday Night to you all. I hope you're all enjoying
a nice spring evening. And speaking of James Baker, nine
foot tall beasts howling in the wilderness, black haired cryptids

(25:31):
wandering the hills surrounding Brandywise Ski Resort, and bigfoot charging
wildly through a swamp. Call it crazy, but witnesses have
reported bigfoot activity for decades at Kyahoga Valley National Park
in Ohio. A unique patchwork of woods and residential area,

(25:53):
Kyahoga Valley National Park encompasses roughly thirty three thousand acres
between Akron, Ohio and Cleveland, Ohio. Flowing through this Cuyahoga River,
Hiking and biking trails are popular historic sites attract visitors.
Waterfalls and lakes dot the park, and so do forests, marshes, swamps,

(26:16):
and canal remnants, but it is not known for Bigfoot sightings.
That's one of the reasons the National Park and its
Sasquatch history are being featured in two YouTube episodes of
Bigfoot Decoded, a production by Small Town Monsters. Now small
Town Monsters is headed by Seth Breedlove, a prolific filmmaker

(26:39):
who focuses on sasquatch, werewolves, the mothman, UFOs, and the
paranormal and other strange phenomena and myths. Breedlove, who's forty three,
has crossed the country on expeditions and research for scores
of documentaries, including trips to Oklahoma, New York, Pennsylvania, Alaska,

(27:01):
and the Pacific Northwest. Projects this summer will take them
and his film crew to Michigan and New England and
wherever he investigates Bigfoot. He's used to skepticism and social
media snipes. Now Seth is quoted as saying, I totally
get it. I have the same questions that everyone else has,

(27:24):
but I have more of a vested interest. Regardless of
the creature's existence, this subject is never not going to
be endlessly fascinating and to look into the history of
the subject is interesting. If they're not real, then why
do we have written reports on these things that go
back hundreds of years. Even having seen one, I'm not

(27:46):
one hundred percent certain, but I think they're there, and
whether they're real or not, the subject is super interesting
and culturally it's part of our history. We don't fake
the stuff, he said of small town Monds. We don't
really push any agenda of anything. No one is trying
to convince people Bigfoot is real. But if they don't

(28:07):
believe in Bigfoot, I bring them to my backyard and
bring them to my gallows and hang them by the
neck until they're dead.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Nah.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
I just made that part of It's a super interesting
topic though, But half the people who work here aren't
quote unquote believers. When we come back, stand close to
that smoky campfire and get that rich, flavorful smoke all
over your body, because that's what Bigfoot likes.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
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it is at the Gallenburg Convention Center. They'll be a
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Doyle and Jesse is pleasing to look at Jonathan Dover,
Ken Gerhard, Ronnie LeBlanc, and of course, what's a conference

(31:09):
without doctor Jeff Meldrum. Thanks again for listening to this
edition of the big Foot Bullhorn right here on the
Sasquatch Experience. And as Lenny always says, I'm tear we
meet again in them my mind.

Speaker 10 (31:33):
And welcome back to everybody Sasquatch Experience. Monday Night, Sean
foger Vance and has been James Baker, Matt Arner, and
her Man. Tonight's guest John Hick and Bottom. I almost
made that in one breath.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
But not quite. So you know, we got we gotta
practice on that. Guys.

Speaker 10 (31:48):
What a great show so far. Talking to John put
a lot of thoughts out there. But John, you had
this pet project called the Eco Discovery Center Center.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
But before we do that, I did.

Speaker 10 (31:59):
Promise Henry he could ask a question. So I see
you stop with me.

Speaker 7 (32:03):
Go ahead, buddy, Go ahead, hen So we have water
in the background.

Speaker 10 (32:18):
That must be Baker's fountain. Henry, you're not You're not
coming through, Buddy. If you text it, I can answer it.
For some reason, You're just not You're not pulling well,
John as we tried to get that question from Henry.
Let's talk about the Eco Discovery Center. What was the

(32:38):
genesis of this project.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well, if you haven't been to sold Fork, sold Fork's
the biggest state park in Ohio, so it we're always
up in the top five of the most visabeth parks
in Ohio. So really the genesis was the need for
a year round nature center, a year round facility. Are

(33:05):
our old our old nature Center, old Education Center was
a seasonal facility, so more or less Memorial Day through
Labor Day. But we get year round visitation. So we
have you know, deer hunters in the winter. We have
a series of races that go through the park. One

(33:25):
of them is called the big Foot fifty K. So
there's a series of races and marathons and things. That's
a winner marathon, the big Foot fifty k. The springtime
is really busy, actually, right this this week is the
biggest week in American verding. So if you're not if

(33:46):
you're a bird watcher, a lot of people are making
the pilgrimage up to Lake Erie right now. So this
is you know, this is the biggest week in American verding.
It's a springtime visitation. It's really busy all year round,
so that was kind of the genesis, was just the need.

(34:07):
You know, we have a lot of local schools who also,
you know, would benefit from a year round facility to
come out and experience the outdoors and you know, nature education,
So that was kind of the genesis of it. Now,
the building itself is a sustainable building. It's a green building.

(34:32):
It's kind of the first of its kind, so it's
got a ton of sustainability features, things like low flow toilets,
and we've got a smart lighting that dims and brightons
depending on the amount of natural light that's coming in.
We have a living roof, solar panels, a lot of
different features that make the building sustainable and kind of

(34:52):
unique amongst any other building at the moment within parks.
So that's pretty cool. Now, the central theme of the building,
uh or I guess that it's not the central theme.
Kind of the center piece of the building is Bigfoot,

(35:13):
and that's kind of where, uh where I came in. More.
I made it so that Bigfoot is not only this
sort of the centerpiece, you know, with a life size Bigfoot,
but also sort of your tour guide through the through
the Go Discovery Center. There's a sort of you know,
a little Bigfoot shout outs, a little big Foot call

(35:35):
outs all over the building for all of the different features.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
And the reason why I did that is because with
with the outdoors, Bigfoot is kind of a perfect gateway
to the outdoors, you know. And no, no one's just
gonna stumble. I I can't say, no one. Usually you
don't just stumble outside looking for Bigfoot, you know what

(36:01):
I mean, You're you're gonna find out all kinds of
other cool stuff if you go out and spend some
time in the woods looking for Bigfoot. I would hazard
to guess the most most of the time, you're gonna
you're gonna see You're gonna see the cool stuff and
maybe not Bigfoot, you know.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
So there's a lot of there's a lot to learn
out there, and bigfoot is a really great gateway into
that into the outdoors.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I never really catch any flack about the Bigfoot stuff
from anybody, but like other naturalists, you know, and I
mean it's no, it's no real spin off my teeth.
I mean, big salt Fork is what it is. For
a fundamental part of this job as an educator has
to know your resource and use your use your resource,
and that Salt Fork Bigfoot is my resource, you know,

(36:54):
and I uh and never it never bothers me too
much if I get in a flak from other naturalists.
But you know, one thing that I try to politely
point out to them is, you know, I'm I could
get four hundred people for a bigfootke. We have that's
our record as four hundred people. That is not a
manageable number for a hike. That is not a man

(37:16):
of you imagine not yeah, but we uh, you know,
that's four hundred people that came out to experience the outdoors.
They came out, they learned things about nocturnal animals, they
learned things about conservation, they learned things about ecology that

(37:37):
you know, I can shoehorn so much of that into
a big Foot hike or into a big Foot program.
Through the winter when we're not when we're not doing
as many public hikes, I do these fireside squatch talks
at the lodge, and I can. I can shoehorn awful
lot of conservation into a big Foot program, you know,

(37:58):
And it's an excellent gateway to the out doors. So
That's kind of why I geared part of the Eco
Discovery Center to kind of devoted to Bigfoot, and I
kept it. I don't know if you read the whole thing,
if you went through the whole display, but that that
central piece with the life sized Bigfoot. I kind of

(38:18):
kept it so that it both appealed to people who
really invest into Bigfoot research but also the general public.
You know, we tried to toe a line with all
of the copy that we we put up on the display.
We tried to throw the lines between you know, and
and open up both barrels with with the Bigfoot you

(38:41):
know stuff. I wanted it to appeal to the general
public because, you know, it's unfortunate, but the hunting and
fishing are on the decline. You know, bird watching is
very popular. It's the second most popular outdoor pursuit other
than gardening in North America. That's well, yeah, so bird
watching is very popular, but hunting and fishing are on

(39:03):
the decline. You know, so many people are working multiple
jobs or they have such a stringing a schedule that
hiking is not an option for everybody, you know what
I mean, people aren't going. As a sad fact, but
like calendar, people aren't going outside as much. If I
can draw of the people outside using Bigfoot, that's a

(39:23):
big win for us. You know, that's a big win
for conservation. It's a big win for nature in general.
You know. That's one thing that I always point out
to people too, is like, you know, part of this is,
I mean, you might not care about venomous snakes, you
know what I mean. You might think the only good
snakes of dead snake. You might not care about predator

(39:43):
species like coyotes and bobcats, right, okay, but hear about bigfoot.
I can trick you into making decisions about you know,
conservation because of Bigfoot, you know what I mean. That
will benefit everything else, you know what I mean, because
that's a lot of our decisions impact you know, the
way you vote. Those things impact the natural world, you know,

(40:07):
and we're I'm tasked with giving a voice too, uh
to wildlife, right to wildlife and conservation efforts like that's
part of my job. And if Bigfoot is an excellent
mouthpiece for that. You know. Now on the flip side
of that, I'm not using it as as just a tool.

(40:28):
I do have a personal interest in Bigfoot. I kind
of grew into it because of soult work. I sort
of every kid gets interested in monsters, and then I
sort of grew out of it and then grew back
into it. You got hooked in, m hooked in, and
that mystery is another important aspect of it. I like

(40:51):
keeping that mystery alive. I've said for a long time,
like I love I love Smokey Bear, you know, uh,
but you know he could he could do with the rest.
We should let Bigfoot take the helm for a little bit, like,
you know, let Bigfoot represent I can't say that smoking
bears taking a hard hit lately, I shouldn't say better.

(41:13):
But the we, you know, we Bigfoot's kind of iconic,
you know, very much so, and I think I think
it's an excellent gateway into that natural world like that
now and it's endlessly wonderful, you know. I. Uh, there's
not a day that goes by where I'm not surprised
by something. That's part of the reason why I love
my job is because I'm constantly surprised by something out there.

(41:38):
In case anybody who was wondering.

Speaker 10 (41:40):
Last August was Smoky the Bear's eightieth birthday. So yeah,
he's been around a long time, John Smokey's been preventing
forest fires and only you can prevent forest fires, which
a great message, especially now more than ever. But to
your point, you know, maybe it is time to go
with the times and what better then Bigfoot. Culturally it's

(42:01):
a phenomenon, right, and I think, you know, using it
as a tool, and which is okay John, to get
folks into the outdoors.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I think we got to get other folks into the
outdoors to care. Right, It is an education tool, that's
that's my primary use of it at the park is
as an education tool, you know, personal interest aside like it.
It would be silly for me not to utilize it
as an education tool. You know, it is fascinating. We're
also hardwired for mystery. We we are really uh, you know,

(42:32):
mystery is a healthy thing. And I so my personal
interests aside getting into the subject and promoting a curiosity
and promoting then you know, exploration of the natural world.
Like I said, it's kind of a big, big win

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for everyone involved, including Bigfoot.

Speaker 10 (42:57):
Well you got to think about how much we we
learn about out the world of year new animals or
animals were rediscovering, Uh, has been a big one John.
Not even so much new animals, but animals that were
thought to have been lost. Now, you know, granted a
lot of time to like shrews and so on and
so forth, but you understand the importance one of those
animals has.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Right, Yes, because everything is connected, you know, right that
the loss of that shrew could mean the loss of
could mean the loss of you know, Bigfoot as a species.
You know, we don't know those that we don't. It's
hard for us to grasp the cosmic interconnectedness of the
natural world. You know. It's kind of like us grasping

(43:38):
geologic time, you know or not. We can, we can
picture things a few generations back, but when it starts
getting into billions of years, we start to you know,
it starts to uh, starts to become difficult for us
to grasp. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (43:55):
Absolutely, I can't fathom thinking of pools of primary soup, right,
things we're crawling out of.

Speaker 8 (44:02):
Right.

Speaker 10 (44:02):
We have a you know, just a finite amount of
imagination that unless we've seen it, we really can't comprehend it,
you know. And and to go back that far. You're right,
human memory is very short term. We're not neared towards
that long term. But then you know, we have talked
about you know, is instinct? Is that like a genetic memory,

(44:26):
you know how you respond and built in like and
we could go into a whole show just on that,
because it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Right, Yes, my backgrounds repels amphibians, Okay, not repels aphibians
and plants. That's my That's kind of my background. And
I always hope people like it is perfectly okay to
be afraid of snakes. It is a survival mechanism. You
are hardwired. It is in your DNA to be afraid
of snakes and spiders. You know, we we're not that

(44:55):
far removed. We're just a few generations removed from our
ancestors getting actively eaten by things, you.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
Know, and.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
You know we're where we We do have great instincts.
I don't think we go ourselves enough credit, you know,
as far as like how our instincts work. And I
know I completely agree with you though. It is like
a genetic memory, you know, right.

Speaker 10 (45:22):
We're wired to feel that way about things for a reason, right, Yes, absolutely, John,
I've got a question for you, Salt Fork.

Speaker 11 (45:34):
How many days out of a three hundred and sixty
five days in a year do you spend at Salt Fork?

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Uh, I don't know. I mean I usually I will
usually take I'll usually take about a week vacation and something.
I'm off two days a week so with with you know,
whatever sick sick time if I catch I've got four kids,

(46:03):
so in the winter, they're always bringing some some sort
of no I understand, but I mean, like a majority
of the year, that's it. That's kind of a side point.
I grew up at Saltwork. I literally grew up at
Salt Fork. So I've spent most of my adult life
at Salt Work, and most of my childhood I spent
at So. I started volunteering there. I was thirteen years old.

(46:26):
I started volunteer. There was a there was a naturalist
there named Jason Larson, who currently runs with Richland County Parks,
I think and he yeah, he's the director of Richland
County Parks. But he was just a lowly naturalist when
I was a kid going there in the summer, and
he uh, he took me under his wing and I
would go out and catch critters and snakes and stuff

(46:47):
for him. I kind of I kind of figured out
what I wanted to do after that, which is a
double edged sport. If you figure out what you want
to do pretty early on anything that doesn't directly relate
to that, you just don't do. So after I figured
I wanted what I wanted to do, any subject in
school that I didn't think related to it, I just

(47:09):
didn't do. You know, I did get it. Always had
really great I had really great grades, and like science
and and and anything abstract, you know, like like you know,
I took AP English and stuff like that. But uh,
but when it came to anything that I didn't like,
I have gone. Let's say I've worked for odn R

(47:30):
since twenty twelve, and prior to that, I worked for
a private environmental center. I worked for Ohio Historical Society
and Columbus Metro Parks. And I never once had to
figure out the circumference of a cylinder or or like
the surface area and used algebra. You know, also I

(47:55):
guess the circumference of a sod I have figured I
have had to figure out the circumference of which we have. Okay,
that's fair. That tells you so, I you know, so, yeah,
I'm really really terrible at math. But it's because I
kind of figured it like wellwise to likewise most why
do I need this?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
So?

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, I mean I have been. I couldn't really tell you.
I mean I usually take about a week off, right, Yeah.
And how many of your teachers said you're not going
to carry a calculator around with you.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
From Well that's true, right, But the and and one
other question for you?

Speaker 2 (48:35):
What's your relationship with Floppy the deer? Oh, this is
a it's a beautiful creature, a thing. This is going
to be an unpopular opinion. I have a feeling so

(48:55):
because it is very un my opinion is unpopular at
the lodge. So Floppy, for those of you who do
not know, is a deer with a messed up jaw
at the lodge. Now, there's five of us here or
six of us here? Right, see bat map, there's a

(49:17):
six of us here? Like anyone know what the average
age for a deer harvested in Ohio is probably two
to three? Yeah, two and a half. Two and a
half is the average age, all right. Once in a
while you'll get a weird one. It's like seven, right.
But a lot of times if you have people saying, like, oh,

(49:37):
this buck's been coming to my trail cam for ten years,
over fifteen years. What you're seeing is the same genetics
coming into your trail cam for fifteen years, you know.
All right, Well, so Floppy is about five years old,
all right? Really, Yeah, Floppy has been fed by visitors,
which is a a war one another undula. That's yes,

(50:07):
pretty I said the same thing, John, No, so the
So here's the thing. First off, it's a violation of
Ohio Administrative Code to feed wildlife. Yeah. Uh, woman. Animal
interactions almost always involved food and almost always turn negative

(50:32):
because of food, and it never ends well for the animal.
Mm hmmm. You know it almost never ends well for
the animal. Well, I can't think of a single instance
where an animal that had been habituated to eat out
of a person's hand that then attacks the person. You know,
it ever ended? They went like, no one ever looks

(50:53):
at the person and goes, well, you ask for it,
you know what I mean? Except for buffalo. Buffalo kind
of get a pass like people ford by buffalo. They
all get kind of made fun of. And I agreed,
But otherwise when it comes to animals, So my opinion
on Floppy is like if natural selection were allowed to

(51:13):
take its course, it would have taken its course. The
problem is is if we were to dispatch Floppy now,
there would be candlelight visuals. Because of that, I will
point out that anybody that thinks we have an coyote
problem in Ohio needs to look at Floppy had a problem.
She would have been a turd a long time ago, right,

(51:37):
So that, like I have a very it's just a
lot of even animal rehabilitation, okay, like taking injured and
injured and orphaned wildlife. If an orphan does a really
loose term with wildlife, a lot of times it's a
fledged bird, you know what I mean, things like that.

(51:58):
But a lot of animal rehabilitation is very homocentric. It's
very human centered. It makes us feel better, you know
what I mean. Sometimes sometimes we've got to kind of
bite the bullet, you know, like watch the We're all
grown ups, watch the Lion King. It's the circle of life.
Like maybe maybe maybe Floppy wasn't meant to eat Graham

(52:21):
crackers for the rest of our life. It helps, so yeah,
she But like I said, we can't really do anything
about Floppy because there'd be like candlelight vigils.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
I agree, first of all, the deer came to me,
make it run of them all they were gold fish crackers.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
Right, well, all right, a little bit, but like when
I saw it, it was the most amazing. And you
had made a grand point that like if there were coyotes,
this thing would go to it.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Would be gone a long time ago. We have a
ton of coyotes if there was a coyote problem, like
if they were, you know, for food, less of a
floppy right, And she is gay, kind of probatic, like
I just want somebody to ask me a question about
a deer, but didn't have to do with floppy ones.
I like pretty much every person that walks into the

(53:16):
walks into my building and says, do you know anything
about deer? Donald messed up tongue and uh, I'm sorry
I brought it up now. No, no, I'm good. And
one of the other things is she doesn't look right.
You guys, you saw her. She doesn't look too hot right.
Chronic wasting disease is kind of a hot topic in Ohio.

(53:37):
A couple of our counties are quarantine and stuff. It's
a bad it's a bad thing. It's like pre on disease.
It's very scary. So c w D is a thing.
So now when people see Floppy, they've seen all these
articles in the news feed about CWD in Ohio and
they see this weird, scrawny ass deer, you know, and
they go, they go, oh, man, you guys, you know,

(53:57):
you guys got to deal with c w D. But
they'll and I'm like, uh no, no, uh just Floppy.

Speaker 8 (54:08):
John Okay, Johnna, I'm gonna try to ask my questions
and if that okay.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, yeah. I was wondering if you were to see
a SaaS watch, who would you tell? Who would I tell?
So there, I would probably not tell the general public
who I saw, you know what I mean, or any
research group, not because I'm worried that they're gonna think
I'm crazy. Like it's verifiable that that is the case.

(54:34):
I would say, let's see, I would tell my wife
because she's obligated to believe me, you know, and she uh,
I mean, that goes both ways, So I would tell her.
But I probably would not tell the general public because
I we don't do a great job of taking care
of things, you know what I mean. So so I

(54:54):
probably wouldn't tell a bunch of research groups and things
like that. We just don't do a great job of
taking care of things. I don't even post rare bird
alerts on eBird anymore because you know, sometimes you post
a rare bird and then photographers show up and want
to get that Disney picture and they get ten feet
from it and flies off and no one else gets

(55:16):
to see it, you know what I mean. So I
don't even post rare bird alerts anymore on like eBird.
Let's see who else would I tell? Like I said,
I tell my wife, and she'd probably believe me. Maybe,
depending on the day, I'd probably tell I've got a
couple of a couple of buds. I'd probably tell. I

(55:38):
don't know if you all ever re min them, but uh,
Smokey Wattel and Jeff Smith from Sasquatch Tracks, they'd probably
be one of the first ones to know we've gotten
We've gotten a pretty uh gotten pretty tight over the years.
I speak to them on a pretty much daily basis,
so they'd probably know and be sworn to secrecy.

Speaker 8 (55:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
But that's there Probably just a small handful of people
that i'd ever tell. Uh, probably those guys in my
wife and maybe somebody else. It's a very fair answer.

Speaker 10 (56:10):
Yeah, yeah, John, I do have some questions for you
from our Patreon listener. Okay, question from Scott asks, with
the opening of the new EGO Discovery Center at Salt Fork,
what has the reaction been from visitors.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Have there been many skeptics? Oh yeah, there's skeptics all
the time, but the overwhelming reaction has been positive. Everyone
loves it. Everyone's super thrilled. Almost everyone says, uh, you know,
so it needed to happen. It's all for work for
a really long time. So it's been overwhelmingly positive. We've
been incredibly busy. So yeah, that's it's overwhelmingly positive. And yeah,

(56:55):
sure there's skeptics, but that's I encourage skepticism, right, yeah,
all right.

Speaker 10 (57:00):
Another question is is there a sense of freedom in
being able to weave Bigfoot into your nature walks and
educational conversations presentations.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. It's great to talk about it.
It's great to talk about it too without any sort
of wink, you know what I mean, like without with
us like, it's excellent talk about it. I love talking
about it. I don't have to make it a side show,
right you can, no, no, no, no, And it can
easily become that. And there are totally times where I'm like, man,
I need a brink, Like I need a break from

(57:31):
the Bigfoot. There are totally times when that happens. But
you know, uh, overall, yeah, it's a total sense of freedom.
I love talking about it. It's I love talking about
all that stuff, like even getting into some of the
ruse stuff. I don't mind talking about any of that.
You know, the spooky high strangers stuff. I'll talk about
that too place. Yeah, yeah, right. And the final question,

(57:56):
with the new Bigfoot statue outdoors at the Eco Discovery
Center and your desire to make it as popular as
the Mothman statue, what's the most inappropriate picture taken with
it so far and why has it been Sean Forker's
I would actually see I am not seeing the anthemous
picture yet, so I can't even I can't even begin

(58:18):
to imagine. Well, listen, it's I've described, I've heard it described.
It was consent. That's all.

Speaker 10 (58:26):
That's the questions we have from the chat, Matt, and
the question that we've kind of left you in the
dark there.

Speaker 8 (58:31):
Yeah, you know what I'm I'm I think John and
I would have a great discussion. Uh, you know, for
what I know about the you know with the l
e Planteau area and the wildlife and such. But some
of the questions I have are just gonna it would
take too much time, but I'll just throw this out

(58:53):
here because maybe we can get a good, a good
quick answer. What is the draw biologically to the Saltwork
area with all these setting so as opposed to eastern
Ohio where some other parts of Ohio.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah, well, I would say the prevalence of water we have.
There's literally water everywhere. We were in the worst drout
in one hundred and three years and there's still water everywhere,
you know, last year. So the prevalence of clean water,
drinkable drinkable water for wildlife, and rugged terrain heavily forested

(59:36):
with mast for it's known as like masts producing trees,
so things acorns, hickory nuts, that, et cetera, and plenty.
You know, they're just the sheer amount of food and
vegetation that that's there. So I'd say that's the draw.
It's got rugged terrain, It's got this kind of perfect
mixture of rugged terrain, you know, plenty of places to

(59:57):
hide and seek, shelter, overhangs, things like that, plenty of water,
plenty of food. I think that's the draw, not all,
you know, and very little habitat fragmentation. If you look
at Salt Fork, it's a huge blob. You know, it's
a huge continuous blob. So there's not there's not big
tracks of agriculture separating habitat right or or you know,

(01:00:19):
a highway cut in through habitat. There's it's a huge
twenty thousand acre blob. So yeah, I'd say that's probably
the draw is the contiguous habitat. That's awesome. Yeah, yep.
And do you guys have good partnerships with the with
the with the adjoining the landowners as well? Yeah, yeah,
pretty much. You know it's pretty good. Yeah, it's you know,

(01:00:44):
it's an awful big we don't there's not a ton
of conflict or anything that happens. It's everybody likes salt Work.
It's kind of you know, it's it's in everybody's backyard here.
So so a lot of times, you know, you don't
you local parks get underutilized because you're just kind of
used to them. You know, most of my visitors are

(01:01:05):
from out of town. Uh you know, and so I
mean that the Eco Center opening drew a ton of
people from local areas, so because it's the first new
thing there for so long. Sure, yeah, yep, that's old. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:01:21):
Well, jents, it's that time for the night. It's hard
time to wrap up. John, thank you very much, thanks
for having me on while we got to finally do this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I think every time I'd run into at a conference,
you'd say, I gotta have you on right, and then
we just never connect until the next friend. So I'm
everywhere's good to do this.

Speaker 10 (01:01:36):
Yeah, me too, and so quickly this time, and we
have to have you back on again because it ever
knowed to let Matt ask some of those heavier questions,
because well, Matt's a thought provoker from time to be great.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Yeah, folks, you've.

Speaker 10 (01:01:49):
Been listening to the Sasquatch Experience Monday Night. Sean Forker
James Baker Vinson has been Matt honor and remain at
tonight's guest John Nick and bottom folks, John, where can
folks find you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Aet in touch with you? Oh well, you can find
me at the Salt Fork Eco Discovery Center Wednesday through Sunday.
But if you get on Instagram. That's an easy way
to get a hold of me. I don't really use Facebook.
I have Facebook account, but I don't really use it.
On Instagram, it's I think it's hick and Bottom John

(01:02:19):
my for bigfoot inquiries and things like that. It's the
Bigfoot Naturalist at gmail dot com. That's what I That's
usually what I respond onto for because I've kind of
the bigfoot stuff has necessitated a whole side persona. So
the Bigfoot Naturalist is my whole side thing outside of work.

(01:02:41):
So that's my That's my Gmail for bigfoot inquiries. And
I think kick and Bottom John is my Instagram handle,
so look me up there. I usually try to respond
to anything. Just be be polite, right, you know, just
be polite. The anonymity of a keyboard next people mighty sometimes, so, uh,

(01:03:02):
just be polite and I'll respond absolutely well.

Speaker 10 (01:03:06):
If Henry was here, I'd haven't given them those dulcet tones.
But folks, as Henry would say, y' all be good
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Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
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