EP 130: Offroad X-Files w/ Jimmy Toungate

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch
Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors,
or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion
is advised. We got someone or something growing around out here?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Does a legend walk among us working in the forests
of our world?

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Did you see what it was?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Was it a person or an animal?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Or I can't go?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Oh, I know it's that my thunder light came on
and I did.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
Happened to Glenn and see this thing running across the yard?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
A good sight man or something works like a man.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I don't know what it was. For over fifteen years,
we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to
gain insight and proof around the existence of this mysterious entity.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Jesus bar hello, get somebody out here.

Speaker 6 (01:14):
What's going to announce?

Speaker 5 (01:15):
There's got to revention about six foot nine?

Speaker 6 (01:17):
I don't know, easy announce there, Yeah, I'm working right, Ah, okay,
hand on, yeah, got it, bigger?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Okay? What's he doing in your yard?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Join us as we continue into the investigation of the
Sasquatch experience.

Speaker 6 (02:02):
It's been all kind of something tonight, and folks, as
we get this show kicked off onto the air, I'm
sean Forker. That's James Baker, and our guest tonight, Jimmy Tungate.
It's great to have him with us. Jimmy is the
host and field investigator behind The off Road x Files,
a podcast that explores crypted encounters, pronormal activity, and unexplained
phenomena happening where few dare to travel deep in the

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back roads, trails and wilderness of America. Originally from Central
Texas and now living in Washington State, Jimmy brings a
unique blend of curiosity, adventure, and investigative grit to his work.
His career path has been anything but an ordinary, ranging
from commercial fishermen in Alaska, a professional cowboy radio DJ,
to his current role as a senior risk manager for

(02:45):
a leading global cloud service and fraud prevention. Outside of
the corporate world, Jimmy is an award winning landscape photographer,
a seasoned off road trail guide, and leader of Bad
Company Overland. He also serves as a brand ambassador for
on X off Road set Power refrigerators and Marimoto lighting.
Jimmy's personal encounters, including his own sasquatch sighting, fuel his

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passion for uncovering the truth behind legendary creatures and mysterious happenings.
With Off Road x Files, he combined storytelling, witness interviews,
and on the ground field investigations to create a documentary
style experience that draws listeners into the unknown and folks.
That's our guest tonight, Jimmy and Tonggate. Jimmy, thanks for
coming on with us as we're getting right into the

(03:28):
show tonight. No no no bluffing around, We're just getting
right into it.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
Awesome. Thank you so much for having me, Sean and team.
And I just want to say, out of all the
podcasts that use the nine to one one intro call,
I'm so happy that you use the part that says,
what's he doing? He's looking at me like I don't
hear anybody else do that, And that's like the whole
best part of that whole CLL that.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
Is is it not like this is something about that
it's looking at me? Oh oh oh okay, yeah, you know,
we tried to do a whole show on that nine
to one one call in itself, Jimmy, and that's you know,
out in the Pacific Northwest, out in the area you're
you're from. Definitely a fascinating, fascinating story, but you know,

(04:15):
one that's kind of left up in the air to
where it ended.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah, there's not much information out there about it. I
know a couple of other shows have tried to, you know,
treat it as a topic, and there's just not much
out there. So, but it's definitely a fascinating call and
one of the one of the interesting things from here
in the in the Pacific Northwest.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
How about it? Pacific Northwest, man, it's an interesting spot.
And Jimmy, one thing I like to ask all our
guests right from the beginning is when did your interest
and not just Bigfoot, but like the cryptozoological to paranormal,
When did that start? How did you get involved in this?

Speaker 5 (04:54):
So for me, as a young boy, always left mysteries
and the scholastic books on the Lockness monster and say
Bigfoot and yetty things like that. Growing up in Central Texas,
I didn't realize that we had bigfoot there. Back then.
It was called something completely different. I just did a

(05:17):
show on that that dropped last night. On my podcast
about the Brown Rock harry Man, and that's what they
call it there, the hairy Man, the Wooly Booker, the
booger Man. But I had no idea that we're referencing
big old Maasquatch back then. And my parents would tell me,
you know, like little Jimmy, make sure you're home before dark,
or the booger Man's gonna get you here, or that

(05:38):
you know, the wooly Boogeruh. But I absolutely loved the
Scholastic books, the TV shows in search of One of
my favorite TV shows of all time is Unsolved Mysteries,
and they occasionally, you know, touch on Bigfoot, but I
just like, I love mysteries in general.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
Yeah, you know, one of the I guess that's one
of the you know, commonalities Jimmy that a lot of
us share is you know that Robert Stack Unsolved Mysteries,
you know, and learning through those shows that you know,
this mystery is more than just identified at the Pacific Northwest,
that it's everywhere.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yeah. That and and also like you know, the legend
of Boggy Creek came out when I was a kid,
and I remember going and seeing that at the drive
in theater in the back of the truck, and I
was like, you know, holy cow, this thing is out there.
And I knew, I knew, like that was a big foot,

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but that was in Arkansas, not Central Texas.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
But I also like, remember Harryman. There's a Harryman Road
in a round Rock, Texas where I'm from, and I
remember driving down that road when I was a kid, uh,
in the dark, because we had friends that lived out
that way, and we also had one of my uncles
lived out there for a time and driving down that
old speaky sea lane road flowing over the top and

(07:10):
the story for the Hairy Man, Someone's going to reach
in the back of the truck and just snatch me
right out of it.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
Yeah, we worried about that when we drive those kind
of roads.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
We really did.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
Some of these back roads up this way or no joke,
and uh, you know, I get that that feeling. And
of course, you know, you guys had the stories, you know,
the not real stories, but the Texas Chainsaw Master based
on a true story, and uh, you get even a
lot more, uh, you know, fear inducing situations out that way.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
So one of my really close friends that I've known,
my whole life. Her grandparents owned that house that it
was filmed. Small World that was actually filmed in Round Rock.
A lot of it was uh in the store it
was based on was really close to where my dad
had his first job. So like, I grew up with

(08:05):
that whole mythology to the Chainsaw massacre and that was
a lot of fun.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
So it's just naturally you gravitated towards all this.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yeah, getting scared, and I'm sure we'll get to it.
Last night, I just came back from going down to
visit Sweet Home, Oregon, and got back yesterday and went
camping Saturday night, and we're out in the middle of
a forest on a for service road and the moon

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is coming up. You know, it's very picturesque. He's coming
up above the forest service road through the trees, absolutely gorgeous.
So I get out my canning camera and set it
up on the tripod, take two pictures, and I hear
something that sounds like a very loud croak, and I'm like, huh,
it doesn't exactly sound like a bullfrog, and I don't

(08:58):
think there's any bullfrogs around here. So I asked my
friend that I was with, you know, that's her research area.
Have you heard that sound before? And she's like no,
and so a few seconds later, Harriet again, but it's moved,
and it's moved a distance that a frog wouldn't be
capable of. And then it turned into grunts. And this

(09:18):
went on for a good twenty twenty five minutes. I've
listened to the first hour of audio. I had a
recorder deployed in the trees that picked up the grunts.
Can't tell what they are, but I'll tell you it
was a little scary.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
No doubt, No doubt. I mean one of the things
I appreciated about you, Jimmy. And you know we've become,
you know, rather familiar through Facebook, but you know, you
get out there, you go to some pretty cool places
to do some research. And that's one of the fascinating
things I find that you know, you're getting out there
and doing some pretty cool investigating.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Oh thank you. I really enjoy it. I absolutely love
overlanding and off roading and it takes me to the
areas where you know, I can look into these kinds
of experiences the research area. So I'm research my research.
I am the research partner of Craig Yownie with Pacific

(10:19):
Northwest Sasquatch Research Group and he's the host of Squatch
Vesk and Kelso, and we met the very beginning of
the year, hit it off, figured out we live really
close together, like maybe twenty minutes, and so he invited
me out to his research area and it kind of
kicked this new phase off for me. And that research

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area is about two and a half hours north of here,
in a valley with a river that's glacier fed, a
beautiful area. He's found tracks out there recorded, or he
had some really good drugs. That's something that looks like
it's potentially a asquatch black walking along the river on

(11:03):
a day when it was like one hundred and thirteen
degrees and somebody's not going to be all dressed up
in black with a backpack or something walking down the
river in rocks and stuff. So we can't, you know,
can't say it's sasquatch, but it definitely looks like, you know,
it could be. And then that area has according to
Fish and Wildlife, I've been told one of the campgrounds

(11:25):
in that area has the most reports for them for
sasquatch activity. And then the very first night that I
camped out there with my camp and buddy Austin. I
didn't hear it at the time where I heard one,
but I recorded a series of tree knocks that culminated
in a very loud one that walked me up. And
it sounds kind of metallic, and I hear that over

(11:48):
and over from Washington and other places. Sometimes they're like
metallic like sounds where there shouldn't be anything that's metallic.
And I played it my wife and she's like, Wow,
that's crazy. You're like camping out there asleep and this
is going on. I'm like yeah, And she's like, did
you look at your at your rig, your forerunner? And

(12:10):
I'm like no, I kind of walked around it, but
I didn't look at it real close. So we went
downstairs and did a thorough walk around as my forerunner
and there was a new dent on the passenger side,
So that metallic sound could have been a rock band
tossed at my truck.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
How about that?

Speaker 5 (12:29):
Pretty crazy?

Speaker 6 (12:31):
Wow, Jimmy, you mentioned something about orbs, and it's a
topic that's really starting to become prevalent. Yeah, and the
Bigfoot field. Is there a connection between these these orbs
of light, and you know this being entitygue creature we
call bigfoot. What are your thoughts on that and what
have you experienced along those lines.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
I'm glad, yeah, Sean. It is like there is so
much talk about it, so much trending focus on orbs
these days. My first experience with an ORB was when
I was a kid in East Texas at my grandpa's
house and I would go out and spend summers with him,
and back behind his house was a little meadow and

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we would ride horses and stuff out there, and it's
lined by trees in the big piney woods. And for
a period of time from when I was like, you know,
maybe ten years old, until I was in my early twenties,
it wasn't every time, it wasn't every week, it wasn't,
you know, every two weeks, but pretty regular I would

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see an ORB float through that metow and it would
always start on the right side, come out of the trees.
It would float across kind of at the same speed,
about the same height. It looked like, you know, five
to six feet up. It was always about the same size. So,
and that was probably like one hundred and fifty two

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hundred year yards maybe, and at that distance, it looked
like the size of a big cantalog, so where it
was it had to be like larger than a basketball.
It didn't pulsate or anything. It's a kind of a
white hot color. Didn't bob, didn't move, It just floated

(14:20):
across there, and I saw it over a period of years.
Grandpa wouldn't talk about it. I think the first time
I saw I was like, what the heck is that?
And he's like, we don't know, we don't talk about that.
So I don't know what he thought it was. But
that was my first experience with Orbs, was seeing him,
you know, as a child, and then into my twenties

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before he died. The last time I went out there,
I saw one, and then you know, I never had
a chance to go back out to that property. Interestingly,
Saturday night, when the whole thing was going on with
what I think may have been a bear across the
road from us. So where we're camped, there's along a

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bend on a four service road, and then across the
road is a hillside that's the tree lined with pretty
thick brush going uphill, and so I'm hearing the grunts
from across there and it's already dark, but there's also
like I'm a photographer and my passion is taking pictures,

(15:26):
and so I'm looking at the sky and I'm seeing
all these stars that I normally don't get to see
at home, and I'm wanting to take pictures, but I'm
also wanting to be very focused on what's going on
and not lose my attention to that. So I'm kind
of looking up at the sky and I saw something
black move across the sky. I think maybe it was
a raven or something like that, because there's some pretty

(15:47):
big ones out there. But very quickly after that, as
I'm kind of looking at the sky and panning my
head back to the left, out of the corner of
my eye, like maybe at say three point thirty four o'clock,
I saw a light move up through the trees and

(16:09):
then disappear behind them. So I don't know if that
was an ORB or what it was, but I find
it very interesting that, like, all this stuff is going
on and then I see something that could be an ORB.
To answer your question, like, do I think there's a connection, God,
I'm not sure. A lot of people report seeing orbs.

(16:33):
My friend that I was out there with says that
they have and she had never heard of the Brown
Mountain lights. But what she was describing to me that
happens at the lake there at Foster Lake is they
have lights that pulsate along the edge of the lake.
And I'm like, have you ever heard of the brown lights?
And she's like no. But we started talking about orbs

(16:55):
and wondering, like, you know, with the flashing like that
and the strobing, could it be a portal opening or
something like that? Could orbs be like little portals. I
don't know if anything's coming through them. I hope I'm
not standing there if one does. But I would also
love to know the answer to that.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
Right, So listen, you know, personally, for me, Jimmy, I
don't know if there's a correlation. I hate to say
there isn't there isn't because I don't know.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
Right.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Do I believe this thing to be flesh and blood? Absolutely?
Does that mean I'm right? No, it doesn't. But I'll
tell you from my own experiences, there's some parts to
this that are very unusual from the orbs I've seen
orbs I was out with. I've said this, you know
several times I was out with my friend the Cherby's

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out in southwest Pennsylvania, Eric Altman, Tom Meehak, and we're
sitting out there and there's just these orbs that appear
in the trees and they just fly up and they
move around. They're non localized, they have their own you know, positioning,
you know, they're not controlled anything, and then they just disappear.
And I've had just strange flashing light phenomena. Would have

(18:07):
been out in the woods in the middle of the
night in areas there's no reason there should be a
flash of light. So I can't explain them. I've experienced them.
Are they two separate situations going on? Potentially? But is
it you know, coincidence that it also happens around the
same time as uh, you know, bigfoot activity. I don't know.

(18:27):
And now I know I'm going to start getting hate
mail from people like all of a sudden, we've you know,
but it's not and you know, it's just simply not
the case, like I'm I'm I'm a flesh and blood
or Jimmy. But I acknowledge that there's more to this
than we can understand. And you know, you and you know,
one of the things again, I appreciate about you as
you go out and you investigate this, And I think

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folks that are more open to investigating some of the
other paranormal phenomena, you know, have that, you know, willingness
to acknowledge that there might be something a little bit
more to this mystery than just a big ape, you know.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yeah, I completely agree. So I'm also very physical creation based.
I believe it's a physical creature or creature. I think
there's a lot we don't under right, there are so
many open questions throughout all of creation. But like I guess,

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one of the reasons I'm more open minded to this
is I've had some paranormal experiences with being like physically
touched by a spirit or something while sleeping over a
period of time, and it would like torment me. And
so I know that there's more to this world than
just things that are physical, things that can be spiritual

(19:53):
but also be able to interact with you physically. So
I think that makes me maybe a little bit more
open minded to it. I really believe that there's a
whole lot about Bigfoot we don't understand, and I think
everybody agrees with that there's a lot we don't understand.

(20:15):
I think part of it is we left the forest
in the woods a long time ago and became civilized,
and we lost that grounding that we had with nature.
But they maintained that, and so they're out there twenty
four to seven. You know, they have to maintain night vision,
they have to be able to move quickly, and so
they've continued to adapt where we haven't in those ways.

(20:38):
We've adapted mentally, and we've lost a lot of our
physicality and I think because of that, there's a lot
that we don't understand. Maybe their hair follicles have evolved
as well. I think it's Doug Hichek has a theory
based on an experiment that was done with UV lighting

(20:58):
and flying squirrels, where you know, maybe their hair follicles
allowed them to camouflage when they become Still, there's a
lot of things we don't understand that may seem paranormal,
that may be able to be explained by science, but
we just.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
We're not there yet. And I think that's a great
point you made. You know, we talk about some of these,
you know, potential biological adaptations, and because we don't have them,
you know, you know, silly us, You know we you know,
we nothing else can have it if we can't. But
we know that's just not the case. There's some animals
out there that have some truly amazing capabilities. When we

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talk about something like infrasound, you know there are animals
out there, large mammals that use it. We know this
for a fact. And but because we don't, all of
a sudden, that's you know, that tends to you know,
end up into the camp of WU. You know, they
call it getting zapped or what have you. It doesn't
have to be WU. It can be a real biological situation,

(21:59):
like it doesn't have to be anything mystical though, you know,
you go back in time and you take the stuff
we have, now we'd be looking like wizards and magicians
and gods to people. So exactly, it's I don't know,
it's a tight line to walk, and that when you're

(22:21):
in this research, you know, when you try not to,
you try to take a position and try to hold
onto it. But I think that's dangerous, Jimmy, because you're
not opening up your mind to other evidence that's coming
forward or other pieces to the puzzle that you're alienating
yourself from because it doesn't fit into your own worldview,

(22:42):
and I try to be open minded to a point.
I try to be open minded. I try not to
be an idiot. That's always a good thing, Sean, Right.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
I think one of the things that helps me is
being a fraud investigator. I'm constantly looking at a trends
and patterns, and as soon as you figure out what
these known actors and frousters are doing and you start
shutting them down, they change. And so by that constant

(23:13):
change and having to figure out, Okay, what's the new pattern,
what's the new thing that they're doing today, how are
they trying to cover up that they're using a stolen
credit card or that they've compromised an account and are
actively using it to abuse resources, et cetera. So you
have to be like really on top of that and
continue to let your thinking evolve as things change. And

(23:35):
I think everybody could apply that same principle to any
kind of endeavor like this, where things change over time
and you don't have to believe everything, but we should
be open minded enough to listen to it and then
make an informed decision as best as we can.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
Absolutely, Henry Baker, we got to take a break, Jimmy,
we got to take our mid show break. We got
the big Foot bullhorn to play here. It's going to
give us a few minutes. Everybody can go to the bathroom,
do what they have to. Listen to the bullhorn though, folks.
That's why we put it out here for you. But
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we'll Baker and Henry ask some questions because I've been
hogging the microphone. But just give us a few minutes.
We'll be right back, folks. Sasquatch experience right after this.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Ah, simb, I think Bigfoot is blurry.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
That's the problem.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that's
extra scary to me because there's a large out of
focused monster roam in the countryside. Ron he's fuzzy.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Hell ah, Yes, it's a classic from the late great
mitch Headbird keeping his jokes alive. Well, happy evening to
you all on this summer sweat. I hope you're all
doing well. And speaking of nose picking, which I know

(26:10):
we weren't but we will. I did a little bit
of research and looking into the fact of well, there's
no reports from July of this year, not yet anyway,
and I was kind of taken back by it. So
I started thinking, you know, as far as grooming goes,

(26:33):
I wonder if the big hairy fella uses a finger
to pick the nose, clean, its ear, bite, its nails.
And then I kind of looked at it into a
little bit more of a scientific view that I would
imagine the terrain that the bigfoot would live in forested

(26:53):
and rocky areas, probably would keep the nails trimmed artificially
just by climbing and doing other squatchy activities. But it
still got me thinking, you know, if you saw a
bigfoot sitting on a boulder picking its toenails, that would
be pretty disturbing. Yeah. So here's what Wikipedia had to

(27:18):
offer on the subject of well does a bigfoot groom itself?
And it goes on to say whether or not bigfoot,
a creature of folklore, engages in grooming behaviors is unknown, really,
as there is no scientific evidence to confirm its existence. Bigfoot,

(27:39):
also known as sas sasquatch, is generally described as a large, hairy,
ape like creature. The idea of grooming, a behavior common
in primates and other mammals, is purely speculative, given the
lack of verifying information about Bigfoot's anatomy, physiology, or behavior.

(28:06):
Well that's not helpful. According to the Rocky Mountain Sasquatch
Organization's Facebook page, a question was posted, does Bigfoot have
dirty matted hair or do they groom themselves? The reply
is I believe they groom themselves just like other primemates do.

(28:27):
And as far as the scent, most animals you sent
to one degree or another to communicate anyway, talk amongst
yourselves on this subject. You know, I've seen gorillas pick
their nose. I could imagine that a bigfoot would also.
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Speaker 6 (31:30):
And as always thanks Vance for the big Footbullhorn. Vance
not with us tonight having some technical difficulties, and of
course I'd be remiss if we didn't wish Matt Arner, Uh,
you know, full recovery. He's having some complications from surgery.
So we want Matt to get back and be in
good spirits and good health for us. As we move

(31:51):
on to Hey, Henry, there he goes, I'm trying to
have a video format that works, So there we go.
We'll switch up, Henry.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Is this story?

Speaker 6 (32:01):
Where's Alice anyhow? Jimmy, thanks for hanging on there with us.
We'll let you Henry. I'll let you kick it over
and take any questions.

Speaker 7 (32:11):
Okay, well, Jimmy, I'm where are you actually from?

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Originally originally from Rock Rock, Texas? So okay Texas. Yes.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
What do you think of the possibility of sasquatch being
in East Texas, especially in the Big Thicket Forestedarios?

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Oh, I'm positive they're there. I don't know if you've
ever heard of area, but that is in the Big
Thicket kind of in the sam Houston Forest, which is
part of the Big Piney Wood. So uh, I never
had an experience that I recognize as a kid out

(32:54):
there with one. But if you're there, can I can
I say something about grooming the bullhorn I was listening
to that and that was awesome, by the way, vance
bigfoot and grooming. So I saw a bigfoot November tenth

(33:17):
of last year when I was driving down I ninety
west coming home from camping, and it was standing in
a river bed about seventy five yards off the highway.
It was totally shocked that it was standing there. But
one of the things that stood out to me was
I expected the hair to be matted and shaggy, and

(33:39):
it wasn't. The hair that was hanging off of its
arms was about four to six inches long, and it
was it appeared to be very well groomed. I believe
that they used that river bed as a point of
ingress and egress down out of the North Cascades from

(33:59):
the path coming down into the area of North Bend, Washington,
because after I saw mine, the hunter reached out and
said he saw one three weeks before I did in
the same location. And then I was on a video
and somebody else contacted me through there and said I
also saw one in that same riverbed. So that once

(34:22):
been seen or they've been seeing three times in that
riverbed in the same location. But the one I saw
it was really surprising to me. It appeared to be
very well grimmed. It wasn't all matted and shaggy. Hmmm, wow,
pork up, can you hear you? That was me?

Speaker 6 (34:48):
There we go?

Speaker 5 (34:48):
That was me.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
You know, it's an interesting observation because oftentimes, you know,
we get reports of these stinky, uh you know, kind
of dirty, matted, matted creatures, but not always and you know,
the observation that you had of it being in the
creek bed riverbed rather, it is interesting. You know, you
wonder if it's do they have like a like a

(35:10):
timing schedule, like do they have a bath time? Do
they have a you know, a set frequency upon which
they do do they do it based on need? You know, hey,
you know I'm really ripe right now? Do I need
to go check in the river?

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Does missus sas question? Not tonight, buddy, you got to
go take a.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
Bath, right, A little sasquad sunset action we got going
on here? Oh, but no, it's a very interesting observation.
Go ahead, bake. Did you have a question?

Speaker 8 (35:37):
I just was there was a clean the pits moment.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
There.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
You know I'm muting you because your dogs are going
crazy in the background.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
Pal Uh. I'd also like to mention something else, if
it's okay about hunger always. I think it's tremendous what
you're doing with this Squatching out hunger campaign. Thank you.
I'm supporting it. I'm asking everybody else to support it.
The reason it's so important to me is about oh,

(36:09):
twenty three years ago, I became homeless due to a
number of situations. The main thing was I didn't like
to work very much at that time, and I got
myself into a really bad situation with a disintegrating relationship,
ended up getting divorced, going from place to place, living

(36:30):
with an uncle. And I had a lot of food
insecurity because like I was on the Raman diet for
a while when I had food and all I ate
for weeks on weeks and the weeks was ramen, and
sometimes I didn't have that and I had just bread
and I made ketchup sandwiches because I couldn't afford meat.
So having food insecurities, I completely understand that. And let

(36:56):
me tell you, the weight of that on somebody is tremendous,
absolutely bring them down to where you know, they become helpless.
You don't know where your next mill is coming from,
if you're going to starve to death or what. So
I just want to say I applaud you and I
really appreciate what you're doing because it's important to me too.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
Thank you, Jimmy really is. And thank you for sharing that,
you know with everybody, because I think it's important for people.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
Know.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
People think it can't happen to them, and the reality
is it can. And it's happened to friends, it's happened
to families, and sometimes it's happened to people we didn't
even realize it's happening too. Yeah, And so I'm just
asking folks to, you know, think about if anything in
this world, you know, and Jimmy, we hear everybody say
people out here just to make money or what a bullshit.

(37:41):
I've lost more money in Bigfoot than I've ever made
and I always will. This podcast costs me money. We're
not raking in the dough. Trust me. If even for
a little as two dollars a month that you could
support the Patreon, it's still a lot of the out
of the pocket fund. But one of the things I'm
passionate about it. We have a platform, I'm an opportunity
to do some good. Let's do it. Let's let's engage

(38:05):
our listeners and our audience and get people, you know,
interested in helping out somebody else, whether it's a buck,
it's whatever. Let's let's do our due diligence. Let's be
better neighbors, Let's be better people and help somebody. This
world's getting to be a terrible place. And if you
could just think about somebody else for one minute, makes
all the difference in the world. And trust me, Jimmy,

(38:26):
you know from sharing your experience, you know being hungry
affects the mental health as much as the physical. Absolutely,
And you know what, as men, we need to support
each other and build each other up in that uh
process as well. I know you guys came here to
talk about Bigfoot, Jimmy and I get that, but you know,
I think we have to. It's a serious, you know,
serious thing. We have to talk about these things. They're

(38:47):
important to our world. And Henry or I'll kick it
back to you, I stepped on you and took your thunder.
I'm sorry, brother, Oh it's Okay, don't brought no problem.

Speaker 7 (38:57):
Also, Jimmie, I want to ask about three old footprints.
What is your opinion on three toad footprints? And do
you think that a viable primate population would be able
to support itself on three toes.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Physiologically? I'm not sure that they could. I'm probably the
wrong person to answer to ask that. Probably more like
doctor Meldrum would know better. I think that is it
possible that there could be a three toad creature out there? Yeah,
there's other creatures that have three toes, so could it
support the weight? I'm not sure. I think maybe it

(39:40):
could also be maybe not a complete print at times.
I know that well Sew knows. Recently, I was in
the Blue Mountains camping with a large group out there.
We went out and visited the Spreaman site and two
of the people that were there were female mother and

(40:00):
a daughter, and they had gone out into the tree
room bathroom and something grinded at them and they thought
it was a bear. So they came out They're like,
you know, hey, something just grinted at us. So everybody
kind of gathers up and we, you know a lot
of us are armed. We make our way out into
the tree line to try to figure out, you know,
what's going on out there, and we find a footprint.

(40:23):
It's it wasn't extremely long, it was very wide. It
had the mid tarsl break, and that's the first time
I've got to see that in person. Had the mid
tarsl break the ball of the foot, but it only
had one toad present in the print. And I was
trying to figure out, Okay, well why is that and

(40:45):
also why is there only one print? There's just this
one print twenty feet inside the tree line, and I'm
standing back and I'm kind of looking at it, observing
the scene, trying to put the pieces together and figure
it out. And there's a big red seed tree there
that is pretty large, and if something was standing behind

(41:06):
that cedar tree and it leaned out on the outside
edge of their foot to peek around, it would have
just kind of the outside edge of the foot and
maybe just the pinky toe. So maybe it's dependent upon
how they're standing as to what's present in the print.
I guess. Really, that's all I could say about that.

(41:28):
I don't have the knowledge to be able to speak
physiologically about it. Good question, though, right think about it.

Speaker 8 (41:34):
You're saying it has to do also maybe with the
positioning in their gate. Yeah, because I've seen a lot
of the I've seen a lot of them. I was
watching the Josh Gates special they one time, and he
was in one of the it was in South America,
and he said, you know, he saw a three toed,
a three toed one, but then he noticed that the

(41:54):
way it was that there was like a slant, so
it was like a slurt almost like there might have
been more toes, but there wasn't enough pressing on the
other toes. And also it was kind of an embankment,
so it brought down. And I think that's a lot
of times as you see you see partials, you don't
get the whole footprint. Three does.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
Yeah, And I was just you know, like I said,
I was just down in Oregon and I was I
was down there with Michelle Heaton, who's the leader of
the Sweet Home Sasquatch Research Group. Shout out to her
because she was a great host. Took me out to
her research area and she showed me pictures. We couldn't
get out there that evening, but there's an area out

(42:40):
there that is moss covered road that's paved underneath, and
she found some really great tracks out there, but some
of them looked kind of weird, and they were elongated,
and one had the hill and it kind of was curved,
and then it didn't have all the toes present. But

(43:01):
to me, when I looked at it, it looked like
maybe it slid, and looking at it through that eyes,
maybe it happened slid on the slick moss. Maybe it
was running. Then it could create those aberrations in the print.
So I think you have to really consider the whole scene.
Look at everything that's going on there. What's the what's

(43:24):
the substrate, what's the material that the footprints in, what
are the conditions? How old is it? Could it have
been raining, could it be sliding? Could it be you
know the infamous double bear step. Is it super long
because it slid? Maybe it was coming downhill. I think
you have to consider all of that.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
All I can think of at the moment is, you know,
you said, did it did it slip? And you know,
you wonder how many times do these guys do they
have clumsy accidents like we do? Do they go ass
over tea categal down downhills and Henry. You know, we
go back years. We interviewed Skip from back and remember
Skip was telling us the story but if the Bigfoot
fell down the mountain mm hmm, right in front of

(44:06):
them and Jimmy, I don't know if familiar with that story,
but it fell down the mountains that it was on.
It was on Unsolved Mysteries way back in the day.
And uh, yeah, I remember that, and I think you're right.
They're they're like us, and some of them may be
big and stupid.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
And so something else happened. Yeah, maybe he stepped on
ground hornets.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
So my radio name in groups is usually a cowboy. Uh,
but this trip to the Blue Mountains had the opportunity
to ride a many back mini bike, which I ended
up crashing and falling. And then when we were on
the pall at the Paul Freeman site coming back down,
I tripped over the log that he stepped over and
I fell again. So we changed my radio name to

(44:54):
the Fall Guy.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
The Fall Guy. Now, you and I talked about your
trip out there to the Freeman site, and do you
want to share some of those insights you had with me?
You know, you and I were talking, you know, we
talk about how you know he gets some chaff because he's,
you know, out of breath in that video. You've been
to the you've been to the area, you know what
it's physically like.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Yeah, that's a good point. And I just watched her
listen to that episode recently and it kind of brought
that to mind. So I was at the Freeman side
at the end of June and I got to go
down there two different times while we were camped there.
The first time I went down, the first thing that

(45:38):
really grabbed me is how close it is to the spring.
It's a very short walk. Also, it's a lot more
uphill than you would think that it is. It's something
that video and especially photography cannot capture and translate. And
it's one of the things that I struggle with as

(46:00):
off road automotive photographer, trying to capture enclines to show
like how extreme the position a vehicle may be in,
but it just doesn't come through. And the very same
thing happens with this. So one of the reasons he's
probably that contributes. I can tell you it contributed to
him being out of breath as the incline that he
had to go up the other thing is he was

(46:24):
a hell of a lot closer than it appears in
the video when you're standing where he was standing when
he goes, oh there he goes, it's not very far
at all. It was shocking how close that it was.
And the video camera that he was using back in
ninety two like can't capture that depth perception very well,

(46:45):
so it appears like it's a lot further than it
really is.

Speaker 6 (46:48):
Do you know what he was using? Which VHS camera
he was using, Jimmie or Henry.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
I don't know that. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (46:58):
I'd have to go back and re read Michael Freeman's.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
Book about Freeman, about Paul, about his father.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
Yeah, gotcha, I remember what kind of camera it was. Sorry,
didn't jump in there. I just thought, you know, maybe
it was a little relevant. Go ahead, guys. There's another
book called I think It's Into the Blues by Vance Vance.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Uh Big for the Blues, Big for the Blues. So
I just started reading that because it was recommended to
me because like, we went to a lot of those places.
But it may have that in there as well. And
then I'll tell you also, a really great resource for
this is Jonathan Easley, that guy has got a tremendous
amount of knowledge about that site. And the second time

(47:43):
I went back down there, I met Jonathan Easley down
there and he did a complete walkthrough of everything and
the breakdown of how it went down. He had gone
out there and helped rediscover that location and also figure out,
you know, based on measurements and distances, the tree that

(48:04):
you see in the in the Freeman video, the Christmas
tree was only about twelve feet tall back then, and
it's grown considerably now. I can send you some pictures
and some video of what it looks like today. Wow,
It's it's like crazy to actually stand there and look
at it and go, You're like, you know, one of

(48:25):
the iconic moments and all of bigfooty happened right there,
and it was just such an incredible honor to be
able to participate in that.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
What do you think being there on the ground seeing
the spot that Freeman walked, do you think it added
any more credibility in your mind or any more authenticity
of it that you know you were actually there and
able to see some of the physical terrain and just
the area where this. You know, one of the more
famous bigfoot videos have been taken.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
Yeah, it's really remote, and their signs all over the
dirt road you take to get there that tell you
stay out of the watershed. That's where the city of
Walla Walla gets there drinking water from. And that's what
his job was out there, was a forced patrolman to
protect that watershed and keep you know, their drinking water

(49:18):
in good condition. And so I think he took that
very seriously, and he was in a prime location to
you know, find footprints. Then he saw at least one
prior to when he recorded that video, and that prompted
him to go into town and get his video recorder

(49:39):
come back out. And then you know, as he's going
up the trail there, like I said, it's a really
short walk from the spring itself and that it starts
going uphill and you can see, like I'm walking up
that trail and I can see the footprints and everything
is just replaying through my mind, and you hear him go,
you know, here brush popping, yep, right there, and then

(50:02):
the camera pads, Oh, there he goes, and you see
it come out and walk from right to left. Then
if you look here, it turns and looks at him.
Then it goes behind the tree here and it peeks out.
See it peeked out again, and then it walks off again.
Then he makes his way up the trail from there,

(50:25):
kind of scrambling up there to try to catch up
to it, and then he sees what we believe is
a female sasquatch through the trees. And Doug Hichecked did
a video stabilization that he was able to show Paul
Freeman before he passed away, where you can see it
looks like a small one being picked up. You can

(50:46):
see the legs coming up off of the ground. And
so there's a lot of thought that that area. There's
like a ravine that goes down into the creek, the
creek that sped from the spring, and and it also

(51:11):
goes little ones.

Speaker 6 (51:16):
Oh no, we're good. We had a little technical difficulty there, Jimmy.
You didn't know your last last thought on that.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
So maybe that's an area they used to drop the
little ones off and then they could go out and forge.
There's water. It's a very protected area, but it's very remote.
Big food tack here. Take care that what that's what
it's called.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
Now, you know, it's always one of those pieces that
have fascinated me personally, and Henry, you and I have
talked about it for years, but it's always been you know,
I've always held it to you know, I don't know
a high standard to my own uh being out there,
I personally.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
All the more believable to answer your question, and it
like really solidified it for me.

Speaker 7 (52:04):
Yeah, I believe that that footage is of a female.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
It's actually a female.

Speaker 7 (52:10):
It's big gill, not big gym.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Could be she may have been with child.

Speaker 6 (52:18):
Maybe she's just a big girl.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Yeah right, she's just a big Well, since we can't
see Jenna Tale.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
I made.

Speaker 6 (52:34):
Smoking for two anyhow, Sorry, Jimmy, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
Don't worry. Yeah, I mean, we really don't know what
sex it was. It's just kind of conjecture that it
was a mallet. Could have been a female.

Speaker 6 (52:48):
We don't know, right, I think it would be more
odd if it was a female, you know, I think
that would.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Add even more. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
Well, doubt to it being that Patty was female, and
you know, we're all bigfoot film females, so so it
goes down that line.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
But maybe they are. Well. I think it was a
whole family group there for one so I think you
had the male, and then you had the female, and
you had a child, So I think it was a
whole family group. And then if there's three there, how
many more were there that we didn't see or that
weren't seen at that time.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
We all saw the end of Harry and the Henderson's
they came out of.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
Nowhere, So it's a super squatchy place even today. One
of the people that were with us with his wife,
they were on one of the four service roads and
dirt road that we were camped off of, and recorded
a vocal that was very loud, very strong, and very long.

(53:51):
It was pretty crazy to think, you know, that was
right there. And then there's also like an abundance of
other wildlife there. We heard cougar uh screaming at night.
There was an interaction with a lone wolf circling the
camp a couple of nights before I got there. One
of the guys was playing a flute and I think

(54:14):
a wolf did not like the flute. But listening to
the audio, it doesn't sound like a wolf at first.
It sounds like trying to figure out, like, Okay, what
the hell is that? And I'm sure it was terrifying. Well,
maybe not terrifying, but it was pretty scary to have
a large predator circling your camp and hollering and howling. Uh.
But they eventually figured out that they believe it was

(54:36):
a lone wolf because of the how all the lonesome
how Okay, there was a lot of interesting stuff that
happened out there. I can't wait to go back home.
You know.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
One of the things we've been ever since we had
David Zigane on the show was, you know, getting folks
to know the audio the animals in the areas you're
you're frequenting, right, and you know, as to you say,
they're Jimmy that you know, it sounded like a if.
There are some things that sound very strange, like we
got waken up in the middle of the night here
in northern Pennsylvania by what sounded like a woman being murdered.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (55:11):
And it was a horrifying sound, you know. And you know,
you got I jumped out in my T shirt and
boxer shorts. You got guys jumping out in their pajamas
or whatever, trying to figure out what the hell this
sound is At three four o'clock in the morning. It
was horrifying. And it turns out I think it was
a well, I think we determined it was an elk
of all things that was just making a horrifying sound,

(55:34):
and you know, lo and behold not the next morning
we found a footprint around the campsite, So I mean
not ch, No, it was a it was you know,
like it looked like a big foot impression. Uh, it's
just these little things that you're running into.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
You have your explanation there, all right.

Speaker 6 (55:53):
I'm telling you what, man, you've heard sound in the
middle of the night. I think everybody that has gone
out and put the time in the field has had
these moments where they're like, oh shit, what's that? And
it's scary when you're out there and you hear these things,
and you know when you have I don't know how
you felt when you had your encounter. I know with
mine it was you know, what the hell did I

(56:15):
get myself into? But it was definitely a world changing
for me.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
I talk about it a little bit in episode one
of my show, and I've been on a couple of
other shows and talked about it, but just really briefly,
I was up in a rooftop tent on top of
my Forerunner and had what I believe was a big
foot circling my Forerunner at twelve thirty in the morning.
And what walked me up is a real heavy crunching footstep,

(56:47):
so like if you're parked on gravel and a vehic
when you turn the tire. That sound that it makes,
it's exactly what I heard. And then I was listening
very intently, and it made a circle onto my rig
until it got to the annex that I had zipped
into the rooftop tent that looks like just a big

(57:07):
tent on the side of my Forerunner. And I heard
it get the fabrick and stretch it, zipper jiggled, and
let me tell you, I was terrified.

Speaker 6 (57:17):
I could imagine.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
I can still feel it. Every time I talk about it,
my chest tightens up a little bit. It was very scary.
I didn't know if it was fixing to rip it
open and come in and snatch me out of that tent.
There's nothing I could have done if it had, even
if I was armed, it wouldn't have done any good.
But that's kind of what kicked all this off for me.

(57:39):
And that was back in June of twenty twenty three
when I had that experience dispersed camping, that kind of
rekindled my interest in all of this and being in
the Pacific Northwest, and I'd started talking about, you know,
overlanding and off roading, maybe doing a podcast, and then
you know, the dream finally came true and got that

(58:01):
kicked off. So I'm really looking forward to what the
future brings and being able to contribute however I can
to the community. It's full of great folks like yourselves.

Speaker 6 (58:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Like Mark Mercel says in his presentation, it's not going
to be one person that's going to make a discovery.
It's going to be everybody working together because you may
have a piece to the puzzle that I don't have,
and whenever we talk and collaborate and we compare notes,
that's where discoveries can happen.

Speaker 6 (58:33):
Absolutely, I think that's incredibly well said Jimmy. Where can
folks find out more about your show and find out
more about you?

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Thank you? So you can go to www dot off
roadexfiles dot com. I have a page for my podcast
on there with links to the feed. The podcast is
currently on Spotify, Amazon, Podcast, Audible, iHeartRadio episode was released
last night. I'm really excited about that one. It's my

(59:04):
first adventure into storytelling and interviewing. So part of it
is talking about the legend of the hairy Man in
Round Rock and the Old West. It goes all the
way back to the eighteen fifties until the nineteen eighties.
The whole episode covers kind of that area. But everything
you can find on my website, including my build for

(59:27):
my Forerunner, everything that I've put into that links to
it kind of what it does. And I'm going to
be adding to that. So the website's the best place.

Speaker 6 (59:38):
Check them out. Folks. As always support great research and
great researchers and podcasts. That's why we bring folks on
to talk about it and spread the good word. More
boots on the ground, more eyes on the mystery. That's
what's going to solve it. And we thank you for
spending time with us tonight, Jimmy so much. It's been great.
We'll have to have it on again sometime. Yeah, I'd
love to.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Yeah, it was really nice.

Speaker 6 (01:00:01):
Henry, Yeah, my friend. Before I kick it over to you, folks,
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(01:00:24):
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And on that note, Henry, take us out.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
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