December 24, 2025 • 58 mins
Forker and Crew talk about recent passings, ask the question "Are we part of the problem in the field?", and discuss the Investigation Bigfoot final episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience
do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors,
or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion
is advised. We got some one or something crawling around
out your bay. It was Was it a person or
(00:25):
an animal? Or I can't go. I know that my
thunderway came on and I did that with a Glenn.
They did being running across the good bye man.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
There's something looked by the man.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Back in two thousand and five, we set out with
one goal to give voice to the mystery and those
who pursue it. Sasquatch Experience Podcast has been your go
to source for serious Bigfoot discussion, where we separate fact
from folklore. Always grounded in research and respect. We've interviewed
eye witnesses, experts since to the like because understanding Bigfoot
(01:02):
isn't just about belief, It's about the journey. Nearly two
decades later, we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories. The
search never stopped. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Hello, get
(01:26):
somebody out here and welcome everyone to the Sasquatch Experience
for Monday, September twenty second, twenty twenty five, Episode one
hundred and thirty seven. Guys, we squatching. That's the name
(01:47):
wow of tonight's episode. So how are you, guys? It's
been a little bit everything going well on your ends
so far?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, I mean we're on a weather roller coaster where
one day it's one, and the next day it's fifty,
and then the following day it's you know, twenty four,
and then the next day it's up in the forty.
So yeah, it's a weather roller coaster here. Yeah, definitely happens.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Definitely part of the problem there vance with sinuses and
sicknesses and everything else going around out there. But tis
the season to be jolly follow la la la, thinking
of which, due to an oversight, our last show has
finally been uploaded a podcast form today. So for those
(02:33):
of you who are last minute shoppers, you do have
the third annual Shoppers Guide for the special Squadron in
your life dropping it the last minute. For those who
peruse the podcast, it's there.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Hurry up and get it done, have you it?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Don't complain it in under the tree.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Yeah, you know, not to change the subject, but you know,
generally the second biggest shopping season is right after Chris
was because.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Everyone yes, sorts, yep, right, Yeah, gift cards and everybody
wants to return stuff and it's something that they really wanted.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Yes, and they generally they generally buy forty more than
they did the gift card was worth.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
That's why I get a really good commodity for stores.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Right, It's pretty true. Whoa wow? Man?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
The first time that word has been used on this.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
To wow it's a family friendly show.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It was the first time that word has been used
on this channel, James Boker, So, uh, shame on you, Shane.
They're still overnight shipping. And of course, as you saw
the messages and the hello's rolling in from our audience,
Guy's good evening, Scott our good man, Scott There Steve
Hyde who was listening, but I think he fell asleep.
He's gonna watch tomorrow because you know, we do have
(03:54):
that tendency to put people to sleep. Yeah, but from.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Back to time we love saying, yeah, don't we have
a belated birthday to throw out to somebody Brian something
or other.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, our ep Brian Corbin is uh, you know, happy birthday, Brian.
We all got you earlier, but we'd like to get
you again on the air and make it formal and official.
As Matt Arner sparting the Amish look this week, it's
for a good cause, folks, it's for a good cause.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Oh look, hey, that hat will fit over your headphones. Matt,
don't try it. There it is. See there we go. Yeah,
there's the Amish look.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
He's uh, Matt butter Maker. Yes, Matt Buttermaker.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Not to be confused with the other Matt. That makes
something a lot of bullshit sometimes.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Anyhow, Wow, language that flies's you know, it's been a
rough couple of weeks for us, guys.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You know, we have to be remiss if we didn't
talk about the passing of Steven Stroyferd guest on our program. Yep,
back on the six. I can't believe it's been you know,
fourteen fifty sixteen days already. It's you know, quite a
shock to some of us age of sixty. If you
weren't familiar with Steven Stroifrit was the purveyor of Bigfoot
(05:22):
books before it unfortunately burnt to the ground. He was
the admin of the Coalition for Critical Thinking and Bigfoot
Research on Facebook and a member of the Bluff Creek Project,
big contributor to the field of sasquatchery, passed away age
sixty guys, And you know, we were just I was
just starting to know Steve and have conversations with him,
and he was planning on doing a part two with us,
(05:44):
and we were gonna, you know, be on with more
Patterson Gimlin discussion and other things. And so you know,
as we always say, and many others have say, you know,
tomorrow's aren't guarantees, so seize the moments when you can, folks.
Sad news, and this has just been a hell of
a year for this as losing those Yes, we have
(06:06):
lost quite a few this year, and I helped twenty
twenty six put some brakes on that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, indeed, you know we lost Fred Salucas well a
few weeks ago, and it's just doctor Meldrum. The list
goes on. And of course it's hard to not mention, folks,
because you know, I went back and forth rather I
was going to bring this up or not, because you know,
I was personally attacked on our on my personal page
(06:36):
by doctor John Barnchuck, and uh, when I posted our tribute,
I don't even want to say a tribute to Steven Streifferd.
I just posted our interview with him so folks could
kind of get a semblance of the idea of the
kind of person he was, because I really felt it
was a good interview. And then all of a sudden
it became a you know, we're part of the problem
out there that promoting people over the research. And I
(06:59):
took great, great umbrage with that. And you know, it
takes a lot for me to get riled up. Not
younger Fork or I had a fought you, you know,
real quick, but this one, I kind of it just
set me off. And it's hard because guys, while we
promote the subject and want to talk about bigfoot research
(07:19):
and that's really where we should be focused, that people
are just as important. And you've heard me say it,
I'm just a footnote in this story, you know, a
paragraph on a page somewhere that's going to be written
in this monumental story of the discovery of Sasquatch. And
you know, those of us that have had a high
stakes in that, are have really had a part in that,
(07:40):
are very worthy of being mentioned and very worthy of
being discussed, and without us, without the people searching, no
one else is doing it, and there's no story. There's
no story. So yeah, maybe we are a little guilty
of that. And but that's you know, I don't hold
that guilt, and I don't think that we promote it
(08:00):
more than we promote the research. And I think that's
where the difference is. And you know the problem I
have is when you've got an asshole like that guy,
is that you know, when he failed on his own
mission and his book grasping sascock or whatever he calls it.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Oh, but I can't think, uh.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You know, you know, he you know, didn't took it,
didn't take a moment to promote that. In the thread
when we were arguing, Diddy, you know, mentioned oh, my book,
And you know, when you failed just as much as
everybody else is I think for some reason, when you
have a PhD or something, it hurts more when you lose. Yeah,
and when you can't prove anything that his scientific way,
which by the way, is no different than anybody others
(08:41):
scientific way. He just put in a book and was
proud of it. And you know, we should all be
proud of books. But was it a New York Times bestseller?
I don't know, but uh, you know, to attack us
because we do focus on the contributors and we think
it's support. It was just stupid and it was probably
the guess mistake he'd make, because when you make an
(09:02):
enemy of me, I don't go away lightly. In fact,
most of the time I win in ways that are
just you know, well, we don't need to get into that.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But yeah, well, considering the fact we've made what almost
three quarters of a million dollars, right, isn't that? Yeah? Right? Money? Sure?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Making money off this field. I would love to any folks,
any of you want to see our balance sheets, I'd
be glad to show you how much.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
They all have a minus sign in front of the
dollar amount.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We don't make enough through advertising to even pay for
our studio. I pay for that myself, And so you know,
let's not talk like we're making thousands of dollars on
a podcast talking about Bigfoot. First of all, it's a
niche subject, right, Like we knew going into this it
wasn't going to be a profit maker.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
This has already been for fun and it's been a
passion thing right, and for fun. It's not about the money, right.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And an outlet for us to talk about you know,
what we do in our journey and people listen, or
we wouldn't be doing it. We probably would do it
if nobody was listening anyhow, because it's fun to get
together and talk. But you know, why do people like
that guy who fail in their own quests wipe out
on their way out? You know, it's always the same mo.
I'm better than you, I'm scientific than you, My work
(10:20):
is critical. You're all clowns, yet we all end up
at the same space.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, James, I really think the problem isn't as much
the research or the researchers. I think it's staying relevant
when you feel you have to be. Like, there's a
few of us that I love as a person, and
I'm not going to mention their name, but like it
seems like whenever someone's not thinking them directly or they
(10:47):
get it at a certain level, they either find a
way to sabotaze themselves or go completely off the rails
so that someone will pay attention to them.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean, away us the older class. Big footers to
me remind me of influencers.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
If they're not getting the clicks, then we have to
make a noise.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But like I like, there.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Are certain people in this community that I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Pay to see them talk.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Not because I don't believe in them, not because whatever,
but I know that if I show up at the
bar at ten thirty, they're gonna give me that whole
conversation and twenty more I wanted, and I didn't pay.
I didn't pay seventy five bucks to see him. But
then the opposite was like Meldrum, who I loved, and
anybody ever said anything bad about Meldrum, don't do it
near me, Okay. But the thing is is like he
(11:40):
was a guy that I ran into randomly, but when
he talked.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
If I could get a ticket, I just sat through it.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Whether I forty times he was he was an honestly
good man. And that's what upsessed me a lot of
time about this field is is there's some honestly good
people that believe what they believe and they're doing what
they can and they get shit on because of the
subject matter. Like like BEFO, I'll tell you I'm the.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Same with Coleman. I'm the same with Coleman. I know
what Coleman is. Don't get me wrong, He's.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Not a He's he Bigfoot is a business. He believes
what he believes, and he reads what he reads and
he knows what he's talking about. But at the end
of the day, when they all go, well he's a
huckster and blah blah blah, no, no, no, he made a
deal with you because it's a business first, a passion sector.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Right, you know, you know with uh, doctor Meldrum, I
don't believe that he got into this community to be
in the community. Evidence was brought to him, and he
had taken a lot of interest in the evidence that
was brought to him and research it, and that's what
(12:54):
really set him off on this path. I don't believe
that doctor Meldrum, you know, said you know what, I
want to get into the bigfoot research field. The evidence
was brought to him. And as far as Lauren Coleman
is concerned, I have to give Lauren Coleman the kudos
to the fact he's the one that brought me into
(13:16):
this field. Because the first book I purchased from him
was Cryptozoology A through Z and I bought that book
and I started reading it and I'm like, Wow, this
is really interesting stuff. And that's what brought me into
the field. So there's kind of a different correlation between
those two gentlemen. But I have to agree with you, James.
(13:39):
You know, these guys were not really set up to, oh,
we're gonna just be the dominant celebrities and everybody's just
gonna drop to a knee and bow down before us. No,
that really never was their intent at all. No.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And you know, and so when I bring this back
to us and you know, the accusations that we just
you know, is this a cash play? You know, I
think it's important we start, you know, we remind people
why we're into this, you know. And and I'll allow
you guys the opportunity. But for me, we got a
train coming now, it's the Holiday train, uh Express. It's
(14:21):
not a show without a train. Yeah, anyhow, and you know,
for me, and I think, you know, we'll transition to
investigation bigfoot here in a little bit, Matt that I
think we cap it off pretty nicely. And for me,
it's that there's people seeing something they can't explain, and
they're everyday people like you and me who had no
(14:42):
interest in the subject. Whatsoever. We're going through their normal,
everyday lives and seeing something they can't explain or see
something that's not supposed to exist, and it changed their life.
So they got on the internet and found some people
that they want to talk to about it. And that's
why I stay in this to talk to those people,
to let them know that, hey, yep, there's a good
chance you're not crazy. You know that you're seeing something
(15:05):
other people are seeing and reporting, And that's why I
stay in it. Listen, I have a real job, I
have family, I have friends. A lot of my friends
are associated with this field, but I have a lot
of friends that aren't associated with this field. But I'll
tell you what. There came a point in time where
people stop laughing about me looking for bigfoot, and we're
really interested as the why or why do you do it?
(15:27):
Why have you spent a good part of your life?
And I'll tell you you know, and for me, there's
a science behind it. There really is. And for those
that say we're unscientific or whatnot, I have an ample
sized posterior. You could puck her up and.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, true, you know. I have a work associate that
had no idea of anything of the Sasquatch and and
he's headquartered in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and he came down
to us, to the facility. Anyway, the whole conversation came
up with this podcast that we're doing, and he's like, what.
(16:06):
I spent an hour and a half with him, and
at the end of the hour and a half, he
was like, I had no idea this was going on.
This is absolutely fascinating to me. And now when I
just saw him a couple of weeks ago, well not
even a couple of weeks ago, about a week ago,
he came down, you know, to do his business again,
(16:28):
and I just so happened to be wearing my God
Knocker shirt and he's like, got any new stuff on
the Sasquatch. I'm like, yeah, I always do. Always reach
out to me. I will give you information that will
you know, open up your mind to the possibility of
all of this. He's like, I find this so fascinating
(16:49):
just having that one person just kind of step over
the line and say, Wow, this is insane. This this
could actual be a thing. And my day is made.
I mean, I just get in my vehicle and I
drive away with a big old grin on my face
because hey, somebody else has now taken interest in this,
(17:12):
just by all the evidence I presented to him.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
You know, does anybody else chuckle when they call it
the Sasquatch.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
One?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Right, Yeah, there's only one.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's not a nessy.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You know, Scott our good friend posts. I don't think
that anyone who truly are trying to legitimately research improve
sasquatch exists is in it for the money. And you
know that's true.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yes, you're not going to be a good Scott. Yeah,
it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Plus on the high end. But like when you think
about that and players in the.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Game, they're not on the high end.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Believe no, Cliff Cliff doesn't engagements to fund the museum.
Yeah yeah, and that's and you think about that, but
that's pouring it back into a passion. Yes, dollar we
make that we're not donating. They're given away by the
way the people goes into the show.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yep. I have to quickly give a shout out to
Ken Gerhardt. Unexpectedly he had sent me after he did
our show, unexpectedly sent me his Mothman book that he
and you know he signed it for me and I
was like, wow, that was a wonderful surprise. I really
(18:31):
appreciated that. So thanks to Ken if he happens to
be watching, and I did send him a thank you
through a text. But you know, that goes into part
of my collection of everybody else that has sent me
books that were autographed to me from you know, Ryan
Sprague and Lyon Strickler and Shannon and it just the
list goes on. But yeah, I wanted to throw that
(18:53):
out there. That was very nice aken to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But again, you talk about people who accused of profiting
and making money off this. You know, this is how
folks pay for their research. None of us are funded
by National Geographic or independently uber wealthy where we could
continue to do this without a real job, like I can't.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I want a job. No, I can't either, right, And.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I think you know, again, we go into these and
we have to spend time on it to talk aboutnefolks
that go up to the big Foot, everything to do
with big fun Can you come and listen to these podcasts?
And I don't want people to be contaminated with the
fact that, oh, you know, they make money off this.
We don't make money.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Nope, no, no, we spend a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
We've donated a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yes, we do. And speaking of donating money, go to
sasquatch Experience dot com go to what page there sean
to do Squatch out Hunger before Christmas?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, well we have actually it ends tonight. Yeah, at
midnight we pull it down and we still have some
more to send in and that's in one of our
other funds to send over. So by the time we're done,
we'll have like I think it's six hundred and thirty
six dollars that we've made.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay, Squatch out Hunger. That's wonderful, you know, which was
sure that buys a lot of groceries.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Well, listen, you know, we we had an ambitious goal
this year, but we also didn't predict a government shutdown,
and we didn't predict you know, right, you know, lots
of things that affected families. So I'm happy with that number.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But even if with our listeners, even even if you
go outside of the boundaries of you know, the squatch
on Hunger and you want to donate to a food
pantry on our behalf, just do it. We don't have
to have our name attached to it, not at all.
Just do it, even if it's a box of cheese
(20:48):
it crackers, just do it.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
We'll send the cheese its to Baker and I. But
you know, everything else you can do.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I'm going through my box here. We love Jesus. Yeah,
we all love takes. It's favorite.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
What were you going to say, buddy, No, I was.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
I was just going to add to even individually. I
don't want to say too much. I was asked to
do a big festival in the summertime. I'm not going
to give too much information yet until every all the inkstride.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But uh.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
They asked about how we're to stay. They were going
to put me up in a hotel. They asked about
speaking fee. They asked about what else they can they
can give, and I said, listen, I said, I have
a camper. You know, it's about an hour and fifteen
minutes away. I'm good the speaking that I as you know,
(21:44):
I'm a detective with the with the or a police department,
so I deal with a lot of crimes against children.
So there is an outfit called the Child's Advocacy Center,
and they're usually in just about every county or some
of the bigger counties. So the county that's adjacent to
where this festival is, my speaking fee is getting donated.
(22:07):
We did the the Eric Altman's Pennsylvania a Bigfoot camping Adventure.
Uh I you know, he said, hey, I have money
here for you for for travel. I said, I'm giving
that directly to the Fayette County Friends of Animals, So
I'm not doing it for the money at all. Just
last the last show, we were talking about I have
(22:29):
a thousand dollars a gm uh thermal.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
You know how I got that.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I got that from working overtime shifts all right, you know,
from from putting myself out there, you know, doing patrol
shifts that you know, uh from seven seven at night
to seven in the morning to pay for the equipment
that I use. And I had to work a lot
of shifts for that. So but I I know that
I'm going to put that to good use.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Matt. Does that not mean more to you than somebody
giving you the money to purchase that?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Absolutely, Yeah, that's the point. When you work for it,
it means so much more to you, and it brings
more pride into the fact of what it is that
you're doing. So yeah, kudos to you, brother.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
And again as a whole, this is what we do.
You know, like I said, if it is about money,
it's about money that we're that we're raising to to
give back, you know, scoatch out hunger, going to the
Child Advocacy Center, h going to animal groups. And I know,
like Sean, yeah, I mean you you know, have done
(23:36):
so much for the safe house and and uh you
do have to at some point introduce your new partner.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
In trans Yes, my baby.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yes, But but then again, like I said, we're we're
doing it for things like that, and you know we're
again we're we're about going out there. I know with me,
my my particular fondness is being out there boots on
the ground, you know, out and and that in itself.
(24:11):
You don't have to pay me to to to go
sit in the in the middle of the state forest
out in Potter County.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I do that. Yeah. Right, It's just like and.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
I'm gonna say this, it's just like with Henry, you know,
you can't. You know, Henry has such a passion for
the history and for the uh for the bush start
coming out. You don't have to pay him for that
because he loves Sean. You love everything that that we've
been doing. You know, Faker, you're the you know, uh,
the one that keeps us kind of grounded in advance.
(24:42):
You know, you bring that voice out and uh everything,
a lot of knowledge on other uh cryptos outside. So
you know, collectively, we all we all bring some but
we don't need to get paid if you know, we'd
be doing this on our own.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, thanks Matt, and we appreciate that very much. That's
a great sentiment. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I never get tired of hearing about how great we are,
so keep going on. I'm kenning. Yeah, the research life
isn't glamorous. So what are the things that one might
do to bring up to the next generation. Yeah, that's
a that's a great question, Scott. And you've asked some
good questions there. We'll get through them. I think to
the next generation, it's I think learning how to be
better stewards of what we do. First of all, pick
(25:29):
up a damn book and read know the history of
the subject and the people that have helped build the
history of the subject, Because you don't have to ask
questions when you know the answers already find new questions
and find yourself a mentor, somebody who's trustworthy and semi
intelligent to help you understand how to navigate the field
(25:52):
and spend time in the field. Learn more than just
about bigfoot, learn more about nature. I think that's the
big one. If you can help navigate the wilderness and
navigate the animal life, you do yourself a much better
service than just bigfoot.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
And always be prepared. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
And the other thing too is be happy with what
you find out there, even if it's not Bigfoot related.
And I'm gonna circle all the way back to Stephen
Streyfer and he's with the Bluff Creek Project and what
did they do. They didn't find bigfoot, but they found
a new species of martin And which is which is?
(26:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a little things like that.
If you're reaching out to someone, to someone that's that's
younger or wants to get involved with it, take those uh,
take those wins when you find that, you know, And
like I said, the Bluff Project, they are they're just
fantastic people. And you never know what you're gonna find
(27:00):
at you know, along your journey.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I oddly enough found turkeys. I was done my game
cams and never Okay, my property, I'm as I can
get most of the pictures dumped down. I've been converting
them because I have a lot of the same picture
because the wind for the camera, which.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I learned a lot about cameras too.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
But either way, I'll dump some of them onto my
page so you guys can look at them.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
But I found we had foxes turkeys.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Okay, I gotcha? Hey, am I reading this correctly? Is Alex?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Alex? You're the best brother?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
We love Alex?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Do for Alex? What do I have?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I have the I have the am shot for him.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
However, your beard just doesn't compare to his. Now he's
got the beard he does Beardie.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
This camera keeps zooming in and out on me. It's
bothering the hell out of me.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I have the thing. Oh I don't see that, But
that's okay.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
We got another question from Scott. How do you inspire
others to become interested in the subject and puts boots
on the ground and do the scientific research so it's
becoming That's that's the catch twenty two. Because there's a
lot of people allured with the myths of big footing
and the other cryptids where they become much more enamored
(28:40):
with the fantasy and everything's a bigfoot and everything's a
dog man, and everything's circled in a photograph. We really
have a lot of contenders to go up against in
that in that field, and what I feel needs to
be the difference is what I said, we need to
get folks educated and then get them on I know,
right smiling because Alex wants to go back to that market.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yes, that makes me smile. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You get people educated and excited about being in the
woods is the first thing. That's that's the key, and
then everything else kind of locks into place.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Once you get bitten by that bigfoot bug, it's hard
to get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And another thing too, and again this is for for
the next generation, is sometimes you have to stop looking
and but just be out there. Get invault with the
with the trail maintenance group. If for big footing, uh,
if you're looking for a racetown ray uh you know,
(29:47):
or another yeah, another like lake or ocean going en cryptid, Yeah,
champ get in fault with like a like a beside
clean up or do something like that that you're out
in the water because a lot of it's when you're
out there looking you know, yeah, you know, but it's
when you're not you know, and yeah, kind of mining
(30:10):
your own business and you know, cleaning up a trail
or cleaning up trash on the side of the b shot.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You might be that's the unexpected events that happened, right.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I think that's a good segue into our new segments
when we come back. We can finish up the show
with talking about the wrap up of investigation Bigfoot Map.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So folks stick around.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
We'll be right back right after this a little bull
horn from Vance and Nesbitt new Steed.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
A Symbo.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Christmas dinner is actually a little easier now than my
girlfriend's family are. Oh vcan because I used to do
a full tucky dinner with all the trimmings for everyone,
but now they do I'll in find it. It's one
guy over there goes fucking yes. Ah, yes, well tiss
(31:06):
the season for family fighting. Fa la la la la, la,
la la la. My Christmas gift to you is I
will not sing anymore. So there you go. Happy holiday
seasons to all of our listeners. I hope you are
having a very festive time of year. And you know,
(31:26):
we look forward to sharing everything that we have in
our bag of tricks, but we don't do tricks here,
and if we do, it's by sheer accident. So anyway,
since this is the season of joy, let's share a
story that we'll put a silver lining to a notable
(31:47):
Christmas bigfoot report from twenty twenty four on Christmas Eve, Unfortunately,
two Oregon men who tragically died from exposure in one
Washington's Gifford Pinaut National Forest after going missing on Christmas
Eve hunt for sasquatch. The search involved more than sixty
(32:12):
search and rescue folks along with canine dogs well that's
what a canine is, drones, and even the Coastguard. However,
their bodies were found dead from hypothermia. Beyond this tragic event,
Christmas often appears in bigfoot reports, either due to sightings
(32:33):
around the holiday season. There was a report around Christmas
of two thousand and nine in Illinois, according to the
BFRO that logged a memory told report of a sasquatch
standing in headlights near Saint Jacob on Christmas Eve, part
of many Illinois reports, including other two thousand and nine
(32:55):
incidences like a daylight sighting near Hammel, showing consistent local
interest in potential Bigfoot encounters. Now, as we continue, there
was a report from Peak News magazine out of British Columbia,
(33:15):
or simply referring to the town of Christmas, Florida, where
a sighting occurred in twenty twelve. So to follow up
with the two young men that were found dead of hypothermia,
I guess our gift to you is always keep in mind,
(33:35):
be prepared. Always bring more than what you may need
because you may need it. Fuzzy underwear, warm clothes, thermal socks,
bring things to start a fire weed. Always make sure
you have some sort of communication with you, whether it's
two way radio or cellular or satellite device. But always
(34:01):
be prepared. And I know most all of our researchers
already know this, but an enthusiast that may listen to
the show and say, ooh, I want to go out
and look for big Foot. Well, if it's bad weather,
and it could be not a winter season, it could
just be heavy rains and you can get hypothermia just
(34:22):
from being over soaked. So be careful out there. And
that's all we want for you. We want everybody to
go have an adventure and come back and share your
reports in living form. When we come back, we're going
to open up a box of up and coming things
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for twenty twenty six to look forward to.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
See you're listening to the big football horned right here
on the Sasquatch experience.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
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place to go. Let it snow, Let it snow. Let
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There are several Bigfoot festivals that are confirmed for twenty
twenty six, including the Forest County Bigfoot Festival in Pennsylvania
(36:48):
that takes place in June, the Red River Gorge Bigfoot
Festival in Kentucky and that's in May, and of course
also in May is the Ohio Bigfoot Conference in Yeah,
you guessed it, Ohio. The West Virginia Bigfoot Festival which
happens to be in West Virginia that's off in October.
(37:10):
The Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Festival that's also in May, and
of course Bigfoot Days Daze at Willow Creek, California, which
is happening in July, and of course offering speakers and
vendors and music and family funds celebrating the legendary creature.
And as time draws closer, I will be giving more
(37:33):
information on these events. Happy Holidays to all of you
from us here at the Bigfoot bull Horn and Anomalous
Entertainment's Sasquatch Experience. And as always, until we meet again,
keep your toe.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
In them mind.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And we're bad. Thanks Vance for the Big Football Horn
this week late Tits, Late tits now got also and also.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Brings in new phrase, I may use a lot more
squatch bag.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
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Looks like you're back at it with us tonight.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yes, squatch bag, Oh wow, wow, the love amongst this
community only cow squatching.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Bag watching Henry's like a silent movie. Squatch Watch Beyond
the Footprint in Randall, Washington will take place September twenty
fifth to twenty seventh, and you can camp for the weekend.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Got some participants in the chat tonight, our good friend Jimmy,
Alex Pettikov, Central Kentucky, Bigfoot, Scott Dearley, all kinds of
folks in here tonight. Great to see our friends, and
we're glad you joined us. Investigation Big fo It, Matt
Yes and team uh. You know the project Matt and
I were working on back earlier in the fall. I
(39:07):
believe has finally come to conclusion.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (39:12):
I'm hoping there was a that they do one more
with like a you know clips that didn't make it
on the episode. I mean the one And I'm gonna
gonna say this now since since it was uh uh
you know, well talked about. But we had that elk
that that we saw on the field, no, and then
(39:35):
and Aaron's out there, you know, he was like shrike
out of the car and that elk team right in
front of the car. We got some great pictures and
he got that video. And the one thing that we
uh that we discussed when we were talking about is here,
and that was a bull elk, you know, probably a
younger bullock, but still over one thousand pounds. And how
(39:58):
uh once he got into the once he got into
the field, how was able to blend in and a
thousand pound animal and we had problems keeping track of
where it was right, it moved quick and it moved
through that uh silently brush. Yeah, And it was really
(40:20):
just uh that there would have been good to get
out to the public that you know, again, here's a
live shot, you know, well a film shot of this
thousand pound animal you know, going through and you lose it,
you know, so for just how how things or animals
or people or others can hide.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
You know, I I have to uh, I'm sorry, I
didn't mean to interrupt, but I did send Seth breedlove
a text day before yesterday that at some point I
would love to have And this goes back to what
Scotch has posted. Uh, let's have a fail video of
(41:02):
a just make a collection of all the fail because
you got to bring a little bit of fun into
all of this too, and to see the reality behind
all of this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, some of the best ones weren't filmed, like Matt
almost taking a header.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yeah yeah, I'm gonna tell you my uh my arch nemesis.
Uh that entire time through the filming up of the
episode were the stairs between almost almost taking a flip
over last day when I was freeing my stuff down
in one of the you know, uh one hundred year
(41:40):
old oaks, happened to uh uh say time to yeah,
it was time to to break free.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Let's be fair.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah I didn't help it any You know what I
see in the video for has become not quite a lightweight. So,
I mean we were putting a lot of pressure on
those as mad as we were going up and down
that weekend.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
So speaking of that as well, is one thing that
I must say. You know, between Courtney and Heather Holy Colt,
are they awesome cooks?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah, I mean, you know that was you know, we
came up there and I'm thinking, okay, well, I know,
you know places we could go in Man, that first
time I get in that chicken pop boy. You know
that for for a dutchment like myself, Man, that in
itself is absolute heaven. So but they did they they
treated us so well and I absolutely left working with them.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Oh, we had such a great time, didn't we met?
I mean, and spending time with Aaron, who I got
to know who I didn't really know outside just a
couple of conversations, you know, and being able to introduce
him to our area and talk about why this area
is important to us and you know, sharing my and
and bringing him to meet folks that are important to us,
(43:06):
and that that part was great, and there were more
people we could introduce them to. But we didn't have
a lot of time, like we stumbled a lot, crammed
a lot into a few days. And of course Baker
didn't make a cameo in that at all, which I
know a lot of people were upset about.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
So we're sorry that I wasn't on the email chain.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
We miscommunicated with Baker and but we had a great time.
I would do it again, definitely, and I would do
some things differently. I would probably like to have a
little bit more field time. But again, what we talked
about is you know when stuff are happening when you're
not paying attention. That whole stuff around the campfire that
(43:45):
night was not planned stuff. We were just going to
sit there and shoot the shit and get some b
roll and it ended up turning into a legitimate investigation.
And I people you know, probably won't believe it, but
that's that's the fucking truth. Like, yeah, that's what happened.
If we were gonna do something more, we would have
kept Matt there. I mean, let's be honest. You know,
(44:08):
Gwen happened to be there with us that day. It
was a long drive for her to go home, so
she stayed with us at the cabin and we just
sat around just wanting to have a good time and
kind of talk. But it turned into more and that
was really cool. You know, everybody's asked me, what do
you think that was in the true I don't know.
(44:30):
It would be easy to say a raccoon, It would
be easy to say something, but when you look at
the mechanics of how it moved in the moment. It
didn't match up to those things. And if you watch it,
I was really bothered by.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, I could tell that you were bothered by it
because of the fact that you're, like, I keep seeing
this thing bobbing in and out behind the tree. That's
it's not that it's uncommon for animals to do, no,
but it's rare. It's very rare.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
You'd have been able to identify it quicker if it
was something, But even the sizing isn't right. When you
see it in the trees, that looks small, but when
you see it in person, did not. Like That's that's
the difference that I keep trying to expel to people,
like Aaron would not have got that excited over a raccoon.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Also, he did one thing that nobody else ever does.
His camera quit working, so he grabbed another camera. Everything
we've talked about forever and preached, he did it. We
only got that shot because he whipped his camera out,
his phone out and got it. Like that's the other
(45:48):
magnificent part of all that. So a lot of that
credit goes to Aaron because he you know, I had
thought I saw something move like an arm in that
area and we've been hearing like calls back and forth
throughout the night, so we were really starting to pay attention.
And again, I don't know what that was, and it
(46:11):
bothered me because it adds more mystery to that and
people can tell us all day long, this is what
it was, and if it is great And I think
I said later on in the one episode that the
thing I was proud about the most is after the
high War off, we all went into debunking mode.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yep, right right, and that's what we needed to do.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
And I think that was telling and then being able
to get out to the area where it is. When
I was able to get out to my area and
which I hadn't been back to since I think twenty
sixteen was the last time I was there. When we
went to Parker Dam that year, Matt and I had
the kids there and we played the baby Crying tape.
(46:52):
Scared the hell out of my boy Gabe and my
little cousin Blake, and you.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Know, we had a really Oh.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
It was weird to be there because it kind of
brought back the feelings, but it was good to be
there at the same time because I was able to
process it better now than when it happened. I also,
which I take full credit for and responsibility, botched the
timeline on my sighting when I was telling it in
(47:21):
the in the in the field, because I was nervous.
I don't know why. Of all the times I told
that story, I don't know why I was nervous telling
it there, but I just kind of got some of the.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Oh, maybe you just wanted to make sure you got
all the facts straight and to keep yeah, all the
linear information in order, right. I could understand that right.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
And also Dave was there, and that's the first time
Dave and I have been there to that spot talking
about it, so it was really kind of bringing back
those feelings while I was, you know, retelling that story.
And you know, the more and more I tell it,
the less the less extra the less significant it seems.
But it's because I've lived it and lived it and
(48:07):
lived it other people that I hear this is like,
oh my god, that's amazing. It gets less amazing anmore
you tell it, you know, like yeah, but it was
a very important impactful moment to me, and I was
glad I was able to share it and take people
back to that spot, which had been changed a little bit,
but not as much as I had thought it was.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
I'll tell you one thing with me, and it's such
a it's gonna be a really kind of weird analogy,
but I'm gonna say this is the only like negative
I feel about it. It's almost like a survivor's skill
in like police work, or you know that you had
something happen and you weren't able to be there, you
(48:49):
weren't able to know it does when I was getting
the text from you that night and I'm like, oh
my god, you know, like the stars just did not
align for me that because again I had the I
had the high end thermal, I had the night vision.
I I you know, I would let you guys go
and you know, and I'm Monday morning quarterback, like you
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guys did everything right. I for myself, I would be
probably doing a belly crawl, you know, to try to
to try to go in flank whatever was out even
though there was there was multiple calls coming back and forth.
I would try to find that, you know, And I'm
just thinking to myself, man, I.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
How many times did I say snakes?
Speaker 4 (49:33):
Man?
Speaker 2 (49:33):
I know, I know, because like.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Like that that close yeah, I would be doing whatever
I could to uh and uh. But again I think
that the way that you guys were out there that
was that was so perfect for you know, like I said,
if you had that one extra person, but with that
out having that extra person doing what you did, you
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had that interaction with whatever was out there.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Right and you know what it was.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
And then going back to what we were teaching Aaron.
I I told Aaron when my encounter was on the
very first part of that of the last episode, and
I told him, I said, I was sitting here watching
this tree shake, you know, and I said, the one
thing that I didn't do that you would think I
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would is to grab my phone to get that footage.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
I did it.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
And for Aaron to pick up on that and to
and to to really you know, uh legitimately, you know,
you go from camera to camera. That was that was
incredibly awesome and I was so happy to see that.
And I'll tell you you know, Uh, if somebody had
asked in the in the comments too, would we want
(50:56):
to do this again? Oh heck yeah, you know, I
mean yeah, and you know, we'd love to have Alex
with us, you know, on on one of these.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah myself, you know, just going into that you know,
looks like they do it. Yeah, like a guy who fork.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (51:17):
Other areas, you know, Uh, if we go you know,
mid Atlantic area, West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, Uh, you know,
New York. Yeah, that would be uh, that would be outstanding.
We would love to do that. And again it's going
full circle again to the beginning. It's not about the money,
it's about having fun. And you know, like I said,
(51:41):
if there were so many good people that you meet
in the big Foot community and you do, you become
lifelong friends. Uh, you know, not not just with us,
but like you know, with Gwen. You know, one an awesome,
awesome person. She was and I'm glad that she was there,
although all he saw from the very beginning was her
walking directly to the eyeshine.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
I'm like, yeah, you know, but listen, those ladies.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Have balls, man. Let me tell you they are all.
When this stuff happening, I was more concerned that they
were going to get crazy and Aaron and I were
going to be like I was concerned that they were
going to go get shit done, and he and I
were going to looking like pans. Yeah, because we were
like I went into strategy mode and kind of like
(52:29):
analytical mode, and these let's go, let's get out there,
let's see what this is like. Ladies, come on, let's
back down. Not Gwen, she's leading the charge.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
I mean, but there was so much that, you know,
the editing, which was done well, by the way, I
wasn't edited at a sequencer made to seem scary and stupid.
It was done well. But you know, they were really
a significant part of that. And you know, one of
the things I talk about is celebrating the women in
our field and the great work and the contributions they make.
They all did a fantastic job that wee can decide
(53:01):
from just Aaron and I and you like, we were
able to introduce you know, the world to great friends,
the people that spent a lot of time out there
in the alleghenies. And you know, I said, I've seen
the comments, and you know, I always feel bad because
I don't read them. You know, Matt, I told you
I wasn't going to read them anymore. And I've stayed
(53:22):
pretty good to that. I've been good. But remember they
are real people who do real things, and it takes
a lot of courage to get up there and talk
about your experiences and your research in a world where
you're already made fun of because of what you believe
in what you're doing. I'm very proud of our friends.
They all showed up.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
It was great to finally meet Paul Boggden, somebody I've
heard of for years, and you know, just great to
be with Jeff and Julie. I think it might have
been the first through the door hug that anybody's ever
done through a pickup truck with me and Jep. I'm
a hugger of folks.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
I really am. Hopefully they're always that the evidence.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
I'm a hunger and I love people. It's what we do,
and I think that's what really brought you know, I
think brought a little difference is introducing all these crazy
people in Pennsylvania that love to look for Bigfoot. There
is a lot of fun. Yep, any terry you want
to throw in there at all, vans on it or
any final thoughts, I'm sorry, Matt, go ahead and then
we'll go to vance.
Speaker 4 (54:20):
I was just gonna say though. There was so much
and we talked about the editing. There was so much
that I wish could have gotten in and again, I'd
love to see in in maybe an like you know,
out like a clip episode maybe you know, down the line.
But yeah, this was a fantastic series to work on,
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and you know, hopefully we get to do it again.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
I hope. So I mean a lot of fun and
that we're not that we're pandering, but we're pandering, but
it would be great Vans.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
You know, A couple of things that I did take
away watching what you guys did was the genuine reaction
to what the experience was at the time from everybody.
It was very genuine. It was very guttural. I don't
know if that's the right word to use, but it was.
(55:22):
It was very genuine and explaining to each other everybody
else's experience as to what's going on. And there was
a lot of correlation that meshed to make the same
experience and then to move forward to try to figure
out what was going on. And I couldn't. I couldn't
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put paws on to go in the kitchen and get
a snack. I just had to sit there and continue watching.
So it was very compelling as to what was happening
at the time.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
There wasn't a day Matt and I that we didn't
have fun working on that project. Yeah, and you know,
of course it's leading into our book that's coming out
next year's I mean, Matt and I are writing Elusive Truth,
which is kind of a companion to Investigation Bigfoot. It's
been moments of heat writing it and then moments of cold.
(56:17):
But we are going to get back here out of
the holidays, settling down, we can get heavy into it.
I think it's going to be different than what folks
are used to and I think you're going to get
to know us a little bit more intimately in terms
of our backgrounds and our experiences with Yeah, I mean
it might be man, you're going to read a lot
(56:40):
about some of my earlier, earlier encounters and stories from
when I first got involved in this, so it's pretty cool.
And then of course a lot of case study that's
going to go into it too that Matt's compiling. You know,
we're probably going to have a pretty pre comprehensive citing
report book for in that as well.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yep, yep, well how's this Sean? You know, Scott made
the comment he's not a fan of snakes either.
Speaker 7 (57:09):
Go ahead, Henry, I was just gonna say I also
enjoy Small Town Monster is the latest episode which is
about the search in western North Carolina for.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
Of course, film the Ancients bit with the Ancients.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Right, you know, we're going to be a lot of
stuff coming from these regions that I really appreciate and enjoy.
And we're just glad to be a part of the ride.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
We really are.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
We love our friends and small Town Monsters. We love
our audience here at Sasquatch Experience and upon which we
wish you all a very merry Christmas and a happy
new year. Take the time and enjoy it with your
loved ones. And Henry, why don't you take us out
with those with that with that.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Phrase, Yeah, I'll be good, it'd be good at it.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
That's it, folks, for twenty twenty five. Keep on squatching.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
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wow of tonight's episode. So how are you, guys? It's
been a little bit everything going well on your ends
so far?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, I mean we're on a weather roller coaster where
one day it's one, and the next day it's fifty,
and then the following day it's you know, twenty four,
and then the next day it's up in the forty.
So yeah, it's a weather roller coaster here. Yeah, definitely happens.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Definitely part of the problem there vance with sinuses and
sicknesses and everything else going around out there. But tis
the season to be jolly follow la la la, thinking
of which, due to an oversight, our last show has
finally been uploaded a podcast form today. So for those
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of you who are last minute shoppers, you do have
the third annual Shoppers Guide for the special Squadron in
your life dropping it the last minute. For those who
peruse the podcast, it's there.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Hurry up and get it done, have you it?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Don't complain it in under the tree.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Yeah, you know, not to change the subject, but you know,
generally the second biggest shopping season is right after Chris
was because.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Everyone yes, sorts, yep, right, Yeah, gift cards and everybody
wants to return stuff and it's something that they really wanted.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Yes, and they generally they generally buy forty more than
they did the gift card was worth.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
That's why I get a really good commodity for stores.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Right, It's pretty true. Whoa wow? Man?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
The first time that word has been used on this.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
To wow it's a family friendly show.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It was the first time that word has been used
on this channel, James Boker, So, uh, shame on you, Shane.
They're still overnight shipping. And of course, as you saw
the messages and the hello's rolling in from our audience,
Guy's good evening, Scott our good man, Scott There Steve
Hyde who was listening, but I think he fell asleep.
He's gonna watch tomorrow because you know, we do have
(03:54):
that tendency to put people to sleep. Yeah, but from.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Back to time we love saying, yeah, don't we have
a belated birthday to throw out to somebody Brian something
or other.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, our ep Brian Corbin is uh, you know, happy birthday, Brian.
We all got you earlier, but we'd like to get
you again on the air and make it formal and official.
As Matt Arner sparting the Amish look this week, it's
for a good cause, folks, it's for a good cause.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Oh look, hey, that hat will fit over your headphones. Matt,
don't try it. There it is. See there we go. Yeah,
there's the Amish look.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
He's uh, Matt butter Maker. Yes, Matt Buttermaker.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Not to be confused with the other Matt. That makes
something a lot of bullshit sometimes.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Anyhow, Wow, language that flies's you know, it's been a
rough couple of weeks for us, guys.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You know, we have to be remiss if we didn't
talk about the passing of Steven Stroyferd guest on our program. Yep,
back on the six. I can't believe it's been you know,
fourteen fifty sixteen days already. It's you know, quite a
shock to some of us age of sixty. If you
weren't familiar with Steven Stroifrit was the purveyor of Bigfoot
(05:22):
books before it unfortunately burnt to the ground. He was
the admin of the Coalition for Critical Thinking and Bigfoot
Research on Facebook and a member of the Bluff Creek Project,
big contributor to the field of sasquatchery, passed away age
sixty guys, And you know, we were just I was
just starting to know Steve and have conversations with him,
and he was planning on doing a part two with us,
(05:44):
and we were gonna, you know, be on with more
Patterson Gimlin discussion and other things. And so you know,
as we always say, and many others have say, you know,
tomorrow's aren't guarantees, so seize the moments when you can, folks.
Sad news, and this has just been a hell of
a year for this as losing those Yes, we have
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lost quite a few this year, and I helped twenty
twenty six put some brakes on that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, indeed, you know we lost Fred Salucas well a
few weeks ago, and it's just doctor Meldrum. The list
goes on. And of course it's hard to not mention, folks,
because you know, I went back and forth rather I
was going to bring this up or not, because you know,
I was personally attacked on our on my personal page
(06:36):
by doctor John Barnchuck, and uh, when I posted our tribute,
I don't even want to say a tribute to Steven Streifferd.
I just posted our interview with him so folks could
kind of get a semblance of the idea of the
kind of person he was, because I really felt it
was a good interview. And then all of a sudden
it became a you know, we're part of the problem
out there that promoting people over the research. And I
(06:59):
took great, great umbrage with that. And you know, it
takes a lot for me to get riled up. Not
younger Fork or I had a fought you, you know,
real quick, but this one, I kind of it just
set me off. And it's hard because guys, while we
promote the subject and want to talk about bigfoot research
(07:19):
and that's really where we should be focused, that people
are just as important. And you've heard me say it,
I'm just a footnote in this story, you know, a
paragraph on a page somewhere that's going to be written
in this monumental story of the discovery of Sasquatch. And
you know, those of us that have had a high
stakes in that, are have really had a part in that,
(07:40):
are very worthy of being mentioned and very worthy of
being discussed, and without us, without the people searching, no
one else is doing it, and there's no story. There's
no story. So yeah, maybe we are a little guilty
of that. And but that's you know, I don't hold
that guilt, and I don't think that we promote it
(08:00):
more than we promote the research. And I think that's
where the difference is. And you know the problem I
have is when you've got an asshole like that guy,
is that you know, when he failed on his own
mission and his book grasping sascock or whatever he calls it.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Oh, but I can't think, uh.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You know, you know, he you know, didn't took it,
didn't take a moment to promote that. In the thread
when we were arguing, Diddy, you know, mentioned oh, my book,
And you know, when you failed just as much as
everybody else is I think for some reason, when you
have a PhD or something, it hurts more when you lose. Yeah,
and when you can't prove anything that his scientific way,
which by the way, is no different than anybody others
(08:41):
scientific way. He just put in a book and was
proud of it. And you know, we should all be
proud of books. But was it a New York Times bestseller?
I don't know, but uh, you know, to attack us
because we do focus on the contributors and we think
it's support. It was just stupid and it was probably
the guess mistake he'd make, because when you make an
(09:02):
enemy of me, I don't go away lightly. In fact,
most of the time I win in ways that are
just you know, well, we don't need to get into that.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But yeah, well, considering the fact we've made what almost
three quarters of a million dollars, right, isn't that? Yeah? Right? Money? Sure?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Making money off this field. I would love to any folks,
any of you want to see our balance sheets, I'd
be glad to show you how much.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
They all have a minus sign in front of the
dollar amount.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We don't make enough through advertising to even pay for
our studio. I pay for that myself, And so you know,
let's not talk like we're making thousands of dollars on
a podcast talking about Bigfoot. First of all, it's a
niche subject, right, Like we knew going into this it
wasn't going to be a profit maker.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
This has already been for fun and it's been a
passion thing right, and for fun. It's not about the money, right.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And an outlet for us to talk about you know,
what we do in our journey and people listen, or
we wouldn't be doing it. We probably would do it
if nobody was listening anyhow, because it's fun to get
together and talk. But you know, why do people like
that guy who fail in their own quests wipe out
on their way out? You know, it's always the same mo.
I'm better than you, I'm scientific than you, My work
(10:20):
is critical. You're all clowns, yet we all end up
at the same space.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, James, I really think the problem isn't as much
the research or the researchers. I think it's staying relevant
when you feel you have to be. Like, there's a
few of us that I love as a person, and
I'm not going to mention their name, but like it
seems like whenever someone's not thinking them directly or they
(10:47):
get it at a certain level, they either find a
way to sabotaze themselves or go completely off the rails
so that someone will pay attention to them.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean, away us the older class. Big footers to
me remind me of influencers.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
If they're not getting the clicks, then we have to
make a noise.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But like I like, there.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Are certain people in this community that I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Pay to see them talk.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Not because I don't believe in them, not because whatever,
but I know that if I show up at the
bar at ten thirty, they're gonna give me that whole
conversation and twenty more I wanted, and I didn't pay.
I didn't pay seventy five bucks to see him. But
then the opposite was like Meldrum, who I loved, and
anybody ever said anything bad about Meldrum, don't do it
near me, Okay. But the thing is is like he
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was a guy that I ran into randomly, but when
he talked.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
If I could get a ticket, I just sat through it.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Whether I forty times he was he was an honestly
good man. And that's what upsessed me a lot of
time about this field is is there's some honestly good
people that believe what they believe and they're doing what
they can and they get shit on because of the
subject matter. Like like BEFO, I'll tell you I'm the.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Same with Coleman. I'm the same with Coleman. I know
what Coleman is. Don't get me wrong, He's.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Not a He's he Bigfoot is a business. He believes
what he believes, and he reads what he reads and
he knows what he's talking about. But at the end
of the day, when they all go, well he's a
huckster and blah blah blah, no, no, no, he made a
deal with you because it's a business first, a passion sector.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Right, you know, you know with uh, doctor Meldrum, I
don't believe that he got into this community to be
in the community. Evidence was brought to him, and he
had taken a lot of interest in the evidence that
was brought to him and research it, and that's what
(12:54):
really set him off on this path. I don't believe
that doctor Meldrum, you know, said you know what, I
want to get into the bigfoot research field. The evidence
was brought to him. And as far as Lauren Coleman
is concerned, I have to give Lauren Coleman the kudos
to the fact he's the one that brought me into
(13:16):
this field. Because the first book I purchased from him
was Cryptozoology A through Z and I bought that book
and I started reading it and I'm like, Wow, this
is really interesting stuff. And that's what brought me into
the field. So there's kind of a different correlation between
those two gentlemen. But I have to agree with you, James.
(13:39):
You know, these guys were not really set up to, oh,
we're gonna just be the dominant celebrities and everybody's just
gonna drop to a knee and bow down before us. No,
that really never was their intent at all. No.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And you know, and so when I bring this back
to us and you know, the accusations that we just
you know, is this a cash play? You know, I
think it's important we start, you know, we remind people
why we're into this, you know. And and I'll allow
you guys the opportunity. But for me, we got a
train coming now, it's the Holiday train, uh Express. It's
(14:21):
not a show without a train. Yeah, anyhow, and you know,
for me, and I think, you know, we'll transition to
investigation bigfoot here in a little bit, Matt that I
think we cap it off pretty nicely. And for me,
it's that there's people seeing something they can't explain, and
they're everyday people like you and me who had no
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interest in the subject. Whatsoever. We're going through their normal,
everyday lives and seeing something they can't explain or see
something that's not supposed to exist, and it changed their life.
So they got on the internet and found some people
that they want to talk to about it. And that's
why I stay in this to talk to those people,
to let them know that, hey, yep, there's a good
chance you're not crazy. You know that you're seeing something
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other people are seeing and reporting, And that's why I
stay in it. Listen, I have a real job, I
have family, I have friends. A lot of my friends
are associated with this field, but I have a lot
of friends that aren't associated with this field. But I'll
tell you what. There came a point in time where
people stop laughing about me looking for bigfoot, and we're
really interested as the why or why do you do it?
(15:27):
Why have you spent a good part of your life?
And I'll tell you you know, and for me, there's
a science behind it. There really is. And for those
that say we're unscientific or whatnot, I have an ample
sized posterior. You could puck her up and.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, true, you know. I have a work associate that
had no idea of anything of the Sasquatch and and
he's headquartered in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and he came down
to us, to the facility. Anyway, the whole conversation came
up with this podcast that we're doing, and he's like, what.
(16:06):
I spent an hour and a half with him, and
at the end of the hour and a half, he
was like, I had no idea this was going on.
This is absolutely fascinating to me. And now when I
just saw him a couple of weeks ago, well not
even a couple of weeks ago, about a week ago,
he came down, you know, to do his business again,
(16:28):
and I just so happened to be wearing my God
Knocker shirt and he's like, got any new stuff on
the Sasquatch. I'm like, yeah, I always do. Always reach
out to me. I will give you information that will
you know, open up your mind to the possibility of
all of this. He's like, I find this so fascinating
(16:49):
just having that one person just kind of step over
the line and say, Wow, this is insane. This this
could actual be a thing. And my day is made.
I mean, I just get in my vehicle and I
drive away with a big old grin on my face
because hey, somebody else has now taken interest in this,
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just by all the evidence I presented to him.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
You know, does anybody else chuckle when they call it
the Sasquatch.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
One?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Right, Yeah, there's only one.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's not a nessy.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You know, Scott our good friend posts. I don't think
that anyone who truly are trying to legitimately research improve
sasquatch exists is in it for the money. And you
know that's true.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yes, you're not going to be a good Scott. Yeah,
it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Plus on the high end. But like when you think
about that and players in the.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Game, they're not on the high end.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Believe no, Cliff Cliff doesn't engagements to fund the museum.
Yeah yeah, and that's and you think about that, but
that's pouring it back into a passion. Yes, dollar we
make that we're not donating. They're given away by the
way the people goes into the show.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yep. I have to quickly give a shout out to
Ken Gerhardt. Unexpectedly he had sent me after he did
our show, unexpectedly sent me his Mothman book that he
and you know he signed it for me and I
was like, wow, that was a wonderful surprise. I really
(18:31):
appreciated that. So thanks to Ken if he happens to
be watching, and I did send him a thank you
through a text. But you know, that goes into part
of my collection of everybody else that has sent me
books that were autographed to me from you know, Ryan
Sprague and Lyon Strickler and Shannon and it just the
list goes on. But yeah, I wanted to throw that
(18:53):
out there. That was very nice aken to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But again, you talk about people who accused of profiting
and making money off this. You know, this is how
folks pay for their research. None of us are funded
by National Geographic or independently uber wealthy where we could
continue to do this without a real job, like I can't.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I want a job. No, I can't either, right, And.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I think you know, again, we go into these and
we have to spend time on it to talk aboutnefolks
that go up to the big Foot, everything to do
with big fun Can you come and listen to these podcasts?
And I don't want people to be contaminated with the
fact that, oh, you know, they make money off this.
We don't make money.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Nope, no, no, we spend a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
We've donated a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yes, we do. And speaking of donating money, go to
sasquatch Experience dot com go to what page there sean
to do Squatch out Hunger before Christmas?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, well we have actually it ends tonight. Yeah, at
midnight we pull it down and we still have some
more to send in and that's in one of our
other funds to send over. So by the time we're done,
we'll have like I think it's six hundred and thirty
six dollars that we've made.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay, Squatch out Hunger. That's wonderful, you know, which was
sure that buys a lot of groceries.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Well, listen, you know, we we had an ambitious goal
this year, but we also didn't predict a government shutdown,
and we didn't predict you know, right, you know, lots
of things that affected families. So I'm happy with that number.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But even if with our listeners, even even if you
go outside of the boundaries of you know, the squatch
on Hunger and you want to donate to a food
pantry on our behalf, just do it. We don't have
to have our name attached to it, not at all.
Just do it, even if it's a box of cheese
(20:48):
it crackers, just do it.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
We'll send the cheese its to Baker and I. But
you know, everything else you can do.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I'm going through my box here. We love Jesus. Yeah,
we all love takes. It's favorite.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
What were you going to say, buddy, No, I was.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
I was just going to add to even individually. I
don't want to say too much. I was asked to
do a big festival in the summertime. I'm not going
to give too much information yet until every all the inkstride.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But uh.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
They asked about how we're to stay. They were going
to put me up in a hotel. They asked about
speaking fee. They asked about what else they can they
can give, and I said, listen, I said, I have
a camper. You know, it's about an hour and fifteen
minutes away. I'm good the speaking that I as you know,
(21:44):
I'm a detective with the with the or a police department,
so I deal with a lot of crimes against children.
So there is an outfit called the Child's Advocacy Center,
and they're usually in just about every county or some
of the bigger counties. So the county that's adjacent to
where this festival is, my speaking fee is getting donated.
(22:07):
We did the the Eric Altman's Pennsylvania a Bigfoot camping Adventure.
Uh I you know, he said, hey, I have money
here for you for for travel. I said, I'm giving
that directly to the Fayette County Friends of Animals, So
I'm not doing it for the money at all. Just
last the last show, we were talking about I have
(22:29):
a thousand dollars a gm uh thermal.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
You know how I got that.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I got that from working overtime shifts all right, you know,
from from putting myself out there, you know, doing patrol
shifts that you know, uh from seven seven at night
to seven in the morning to pay for the equipment
that I use. And I had to work a lot
of shifts for that. So but I I know that
I'm going to put that to good use.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Matt. Does that not mean more to you than somebody
giving you the money to purchase that?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Absolutely, Yeah, that's the point. When you work for it,
it means so much more to you, and it brings
more pride into the fact of what it is that
you're doing. So yeah, kudos to you, brother.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
And again as a whole, this is what we do.
You know, like I said, if it is about money,
it's about money that we're that we're raising to to
give back, you know, scoatch out hunger, going to the
Child Advocacy Center, h going to animal groups. And I know,
like Sean, yeah, I mean you you know, have done
(23:36):
so much for the safe house and and uh you
do have to at some point introduce your new partner.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
In trans Yes, my baby.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yes, But but then again, like I said, we're we're
doing it for things like that, and you know we're
again we're we're about going out there. I know with me,
my my particular fondness is being out there boots on
the ground, you know, out and and that in itself.
(24:11):
You don't have to pay me to to to go
sit in the in the middle of the state forest
out in Potter County.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I do that. Yeah. Right, It's just like and.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
I'm gonna say this, it's just like with Henry, you know,
you can't. You know, Henry has such a passion for
the history and for the uh for the bush start
coming out. You don't have to pay him for that
because he loves Sean. You love everything that that we've
been doing. You know, Faker, you're the you know, uh,
the one that keeps us kind of grounded in advance.
(24:42):
You know, you bring that voice out and uh everything,
a lot of knowledge on other uh cryptos outside. So
you know, collectively, we all we all bring some but
we don't need to get paid if you know, we'd
be doing this on our own.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, thanks Matt, and we appreciate that very much. That's
a great sentiment. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I never get tired of hearing about how great we are,
so keep going on. I'm kenning. Yeah, the research life
isn't glamorous. So what are the things that one might
do to bring up to the next generation. Yeah, that's
a that's a great question, Scott. And you've asked some
good questions there. We'll get through them. I think to
the next generation, it's I think learning how to be
better stewards of what we do. First of all, pick
(25:29):
up a damn book and read know the history of
the subject and the people that have helped build the
history of the subject, Because you don't have to ask
questions when you know the answers already find new questions
and find yourself a mentor, somebody who's trustworthy and semi
intelligent to help you understand how to navigate the field
(25:52):
and spend time in the field. Learn more than just
about bigfoot, learn more about nature. I think that's the
big one. If you can help navigate the wilderness and
navigate the animal life, you do yourself a much better
service than just bigfoot.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
And always be prepared. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
And the other thing too is be happy with what
you find out there, even if it's not Bigfoot related.
And I'm gonna circle all the way back to Stephen
Streyfer and he's with the Bluff Creek Project and what
did they do. They didn't find bigfoot, but they found
a new species of martin And which is which is?
(26:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a little things like that.
If you're reaching out to someone, to someone that's that's
younger or wants to get involved with it, take those uh,
take those wins when you find that, you know, And
like I said, the Bluff Project, they are they're just
fantastic people. And you never know what you're gonna find
(27:00):
at you know, along your journey.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I oddly enough found turkeys. I was done my game
cams and never Okay, my property, I'm as I can
get most of the pictures dumped down. I've been converting
them because I have a lot of the same picture
because the wind for the camera, which.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I learned a lot about cameras too.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
But either way, I'll dump some of them onto my
page so you guys can look at them.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
But I found we had foxes turkeys.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Okay, I gotcha? Hey, am I reading this correctly? Is Alex?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Alex? You're the best brother?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
We love Alex?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Do for Alex? What do I have?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I have the I have the am shot for him.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
However, your beard just doesn't compare to his. Now he's
got the beard he does Beardie.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
This camera keeps zooming in and out on me. It's
bothering the hell out of me.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I have the thing. Oh I don't see that, But
that's okay.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
We got another question from Scott. How do you inspire
others to become interested in the subject and puts boots
on the ground and do the scientific research so it's
becoming That's that's the catch twenty two. Because there's a
lot of people allured with the myths of big footing
and the other cryptids where they become much more enamored
(28:40):
with the fantasy and everything's a bigfoot and everything's a
dog man, and everything's circled in a photograph. We really
have a lot of contenders to go up against in
that in that field, and what I feel needs to
be the difference is what I said, we need to
get folks educated and then get them on I know,
right smiling because Alex wants to go back to that market.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yes, that makes me smile. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You get people educated and excited about being in the
woods is the first thing. That's that's the key, and
then everything else kind of locks into place.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Once you get bitten by that bigfoot bug, it's hard
to get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And another thing too, and again this is for for
the next generation, is sometimes you have to stop looking
and but just be out there. Get invault with the
with the trail maintenance group. If for big footing, uh,
if you're looking for a racetown ray uh you know,
(29:47):
or another yeah, another like lake or ocean going en cryptid, Yeah,
champ get in fault with like a like a beside
clean up or do something like that that you're out
in the water because a lot of it's when you're
out there looking you know, yeah, you know, but it's
when you're not you know, and yeah, kind of mining
(30:10):
your own business and you know, cleaning up a trail
or cleaning up trash on the side of the b shot.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You might be that's the unexpected events that happened, right.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I think that's a good segue into our new segments
when we come back. We can finish up the show
with talking about the wrap up of investigation Bigfoot Map.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So folks stick around.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
We'll be right back right after this a little bull
horn from Vance and Nesbitt new Steed.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
A Symbo.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Christmas dinner is actually a little easier now than my
girlfriend's family are. Oh vcan because I used to do
a full tucky dinner with all the trimmings for everyone,
but now they do I'll in find it. It's one
guy over there goes fucking yes. Ah, yes, well tiss
(31:06):
the season for family fighting. Fa la la la la, la,
la la la. My Christmas gift to you is I
will not sing anymore. So there you go. Happy holiday
seasons to all of our listeners. I hope you are
having a very festive time of year. And you know,
(31:26):
we look forward to sharing everything that we have in
our bag of tricks, but we don't do tricks here,
and if we do, it's by sheer accident. So anyway,
since this is the season of joy, let's share a
story that we'll put a silver lining to a notable
(31:47):
Christmas bigfoot report from twenty twenty four on Christmas Eve, Unfortunately,
two Oregon men who tragically died from exposure in one
Washington's Gifford Pinaut National Forest after going missing on Christmas
Eve hunt for sasquatch. The search involved more than sixty
(32:12):
search and rescue folks along with canine dogs well that's
what a canine is, drones, and even the Coastguard. However,
their bodies were found dead from hypothermia. Beyond this tragic event,
Christmas often appears in bigfoot reports, either due to sightings
(32:33):
around the holiday season. There was a report around Christmas
of two thousand and nine in Illinois, according to the
BFRO that logged a memory told report of a sasquatch
standing in headlights near Saint Jacob on Christmas Eve, part
of many Illinois reports, including other two thousand and nine
(32:55):
incidences like a daylight sighting near Hammel, showing consistent local
interest in potential Bigfoot encounters. Now, as we continue, there
was a report from Peak News magazine out of British Columbia,
(33:15):
or simply referring to the town of Christmas, Florida, where
a sighting occurred in twenty twelve. So to follow up
with the two young men that were found dead of hypothermia,
I guess our gift to you is always keep in mind,
(33:35):
be prepared. Always bring more than what you may need
because you may need it. Fuzzy underwear, warm clothes, thermal socks,
bring things to start a fire weed. Always make sure
you have some sort of communication with you, whether it's
two way radio or cellular or satellite device. But always
(34:01):
be prepared. And I know most all of our researchers
already know this, but an enthusiast that may listen to
the show and say, ooh, I want to go out
and look for big Foot. Well, if it's bad weather,
and it could be not a winter season, it could
just be heavy rains and you can get hypothermia just
(34:22):
from being over soaked. So be careful out there. And
that's all we want for you. We want everybody to
go have an adventure and come back and share your
reports in living form. When we come back, we're going
to open up a box of up and coming things
(34:43):
for twenty twenty six to look forward to.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
See you're listening to the big football horned right here
on the Sasquatch experience.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
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place to go. Let it snow, Let it snow. Let
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There are several Bigfoot festivals that are confirmed for twenty
twenty six, including the Forest County Bigfoot Festival in Pennsylvania
(36:48):
that takes place in June, the Red River Gorge Bigfoot
Festival in Kentucky and that's in May, and of course
also in May is the Ohio Bigfoot Conference in Yeah,
you guessed it, Ohio. The West Virginia Bigfoot Festival which
happens to be in West Virginia that's off in October.
(37:10):
The Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Festival that's also in May, and
of course Bigfoot Days Daze at Willow Creek, California, which
is happening in July, and of course offering speakers and
vendors and music and family funds celebrating the legendary creature.
And as time draws closer, I will be giving more
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information on these events. Happy Holidays to all of you
from us here at the Bigfoot bull Horn and Anomalous
Entertainment's Sasquatch Experience. And as always, until we meet again,
keep your toe.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
In them mind.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And we're bad. Thanks Vance for the Big Football Horn
this week late Tits, Late tits now got also and also.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Brings in new phrase, I may use a lot more
squatch bag.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Squatch Oh fascinating. Hey Henry, how why are your buddy?
Looks like you're back at it with us tonight.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yes, squatch bag, Oh wow, wow, the love amongst this
community only cow squatching.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Bag watching Henry's like a silent movie. Squatch Watch Beyond
the Footprint in Randall, Washington will take place September twenty
fifth to twenty seventh, and you can camp for the weekend.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Got some participants in the chat tonight, our good friend Jimmy,
Alex Pettikov, Central Kentucky, Bigfoot, Scott Dearley, all kinds of
folks in here tonight. Great to see our friends, and
we're glad you joined us. Investigation Big fo It, Matt
Yes and team uh. You know the project Matt and
I were working on back earlier in the fall. I
(39:07):
believe has finally come to conclusion.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (39:12):
I'm hoping there was a that they do one more
with like a you know clips that didn't make it
on the episode. I mean the one And I'm gonna
gonna say this now since since it was uh uh
you know, well talked about. But we had that elk
that that we saw on the field, no, and then
(39:35):
and Aaron's out there, you know, he was like shrike
out of the car and that elk team right in
front of the car. We got some great pictures and
he got that video. And the one thing that we
uh that we discussed when we were talking about is here,
and that was a bull elk, you know, probably a
younger bullock, but still over one thousand pounds. And how
(39:58):
uh once he got into the once he got into
the field, how was able to blend in and a
thousand pound animal and we had problems keeping track of
where it was right, it moved quick and it moved
through that uh silently brush. Yeah, And it was really
(40:20):
just uh that there would have been good to get
out to the public that you know, again, here's a
live shot, you know, well a film shot of this
thousand pound animal you know, going through and you lose it,
you know, so for just how how things or animals
or people or others can hide.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
You know, I I have to uh, I'm sorry, I
didn't mean to interrupt, but I did send Seth breedlove
a text day before yesterday that at some point I
would love to have And this goes back to what
Scotch has posted. Uh, let's have a fail video of
(41:02):
a just make a collection of all the fail because
you got to bring a little bit of fun into
all of this too, and to see the reality behind
all of this. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, some of the best ones weren't filmed, like Matt
almost taking a header.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yeah yeah, I'm gonna tell you my uh my arch nemesis.
Uh that entire time through the filming up of the
episode were the stairs between almost almost taking a flip
over last day when I was freeing my stuff down
in one of the you know, uh one hundred year
(41:40):
old oaks, happened to uh uh say time to yeah,
it was time to to break free.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Let's be fair.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah I didn't help it any You know what I
see in the video for has become not quite a lightweight. So,
I mean we were putting a lot of pressure on
those as mad as we were going up and down
that weekend.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
So speaking of that as well, is one thing that
I must say. You know, between Courtney and Heather Holy Colt,
are they awesome cooks?
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah, I mean, you know that was you know, we
came up there and I'm thinking, okay, well, I know,
you know places we could go in Man, that first
time I get in that chicken pop boy. You know
that for for a dutchment like myself, Man, that in
itself is absolute heaven. So but they did they they
treated us so well and I absolutely left working with them.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Oh, we had such a great time, didn't we met?
I mean, and spending time with Aaron, who I got
to know who I didn't really know outside just a
couple of conversations, you know, and being able to introduce
him to our area and talk about why this area
is important to us and you know, sharing my and
and bringing him to meet folks that are important to us,
(43:06):
and that that part was great, and there were more
people we could introduce them to. But we didn't have
a lot of time, like we stumbled a lot, crammed
a lot into a few days. And of course Baker
didn't make a cameo in that at all, which I
know a lot of people were upset about.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
So we're sorry that I wasn't on the email chain.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
We miscommunicated with Baker and but we had a great time.
I would do it again, definitely, and I would do
some things differently. I would probably like to have a
little bit more field time. But again, what we talked
about is you know when stuff are happening when you're
not paying attention. That whole stuff around the campfire that
(43:45):
night was not planned stuff. We were just going to
sit there and shoot the shit and get some b
roll and it ended up turning into a legitimate investigation.
And I people you know, probably won't believe it, but
that's that's the fucking truth. Like, yeah, that's what happened.
If we were gonna do something more, we would have
kept Matt there. I mean, let's be honest. You know,
(44:08):
Gwen happened to be there with us that day. It
was a long drive for her to go home, so
she stayed with us at the cabin and we just
sat around just wanting to have a good time and
kind of talk. But it turned into more and that
was really cool. You know, everybody's asked me, what do
you think that was in the true I don't know.
(44:30):
It would be easy to say a raccoon, It would
be easy to say something, but when you look at
the mechanics of how it moved in the moment. It
didn't match up to those things. And if you watch it,
I was really bothered by.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, I could tell that you were bothered by it
because of the fact that you're, like, I keep seeing
this thing bobbing in and out behind the tree. That's
it's not that it's uncommon for animals to do, no,
but it's rare. It's very rare.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
You'd have been able to identify it quicker if it
was something, But even the sizing isn't right. When you
see it in the trees, that looks small, but when
you see it in person, did not. Like That's that's
the difference that I keep trying to expel to people,
like Aaron would not have got that excited over a raccoon.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Also, he did one thing that nobody else ever does.
His camera quit working, so he grabbed another camera. Everything
we've talked about forever and preached, he did it. We
only got that shot because he whipped his camera out,
his phone out and got it. Like that's the other
(45:48):
magnificent part of all that. So a lot of that
credit goes to Aaron because he you know, I had
thought I saw something move like an arm in that
area and we've been hearing like calls back and forth
throughout the night, so we were really starting to pay attention.
And again, I don't know what that was, and it
(46:11):
bothered me because it adds more mystery to that and
people can tell us all day long, this is what
it was, and if it is great And I think
I said later on in the one episode that the
thing I was proud about the most is after the
high War off, we all went into debunking mode.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yep, right right, and that's what we needed to do.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
And I think that was telling and then being able
to get out to the area where it is. When
I was able to get out to my area and
which I hadn't been back to since I think twenty
sixteen was the last time I was there. When we
went to Parker Dam that year, Matt and I had
the kids there and we played the baby Crying tape.
(46:52):
Scared the hell out of my boy Gabe and my
little cousin Blake, and you.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Know, we had a really Oh.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
It was weird to be there because it kind of
brought back the feelings, but it was good to be
there at the same time because I was able to
process it better now than when it happened. I also,
which I take full credit for and responsibility, botched the
timeline on my sighting when I was telling it in
(47:21):
the in the in the field, because I was nervous.
I don't know why. Of all the times I told
that story, I don't know why I was nervous telling
it there, but I just kind of got some of the.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Oh, maybe you just wanted to make sure you got
all the facts straight and to keep yeah, all the
linear information in order, right. I could understand that right.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
And also Dave was there, and that's the first time
Dave and I have been there to that spot talking
about it, so it was really kind of bringing back
those feelings while I was, you know, retelling that story.
And you know, the more and more I tell it,
the less the less extra the less significant it seems.
But it's because I've lived it and lived it and
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lived it other people that I hear this is like,
oh my god, that's amazing. It gets less amazing anmore
you tell it, you know, like yeah, but it was
a very important impactful moment to me, and I was
glad I was able to share it and take people
back to that spot, which had been changed a little bit,
but not as much as I had thought it was.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
I'll tell you one thing with me, and it's such
a it's gonna be a really kind of weird analogy,
but I'm gonna say this is the only like negative
I feel about it. It's almost like a survivor's skill
in like police work, or you know that you had
something happen and you weren't able to be there, you
(48:49):
weren't able to know it does when I was getting
the text from you that night and I'm like, oh
my god, you know, like the stars just did not
align for me that because again I had the I
had the high end thermal, I had the night vision.
I I you know, I would let you guys go
and you know, and I'm Monday morning quarterback, like you
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guys did everything right. I for myself, I would be
probably doing a belly crawl, you know, to try to
to try to go in flank whatever was out even
though there was there was multiple calls coming back and forth.
I would try to find that, you know, And I'm
just thinking to myself, man, I.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
How many times did I say snakes?
Speaker 4 (49:33):
Man?
Speaker 2 (49:33):
I know, I know, because like.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Like that that close yeah, I would be doing whatever
I could to uh and uh. But again I think
that the way that you guys were out there that
was that was so perfect for you know, like I said,
if you had that one extra person, but with that
out having that extra person doing what you did, you
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had that interaction with whatever was out there.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Right and you know what it was.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
And then going back to what we were teaching Aaron.
I I told Aaron when my encounter was on the
very first part of that of the last episode, and
I told him, I said, I was sitting here watching
this tree shake, you know, and I said, the one
thing that I didn't do that you would think I
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would is to grab my phone to get that footage.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
I did it.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
And for Aaron to pick up on that and to
and to to really you know, uh legitimately, you know,
you go from camera to camera. That was that was
incredibly awesome and I was so happy to see that.
And I'll tell you you know, Uh, if somebody had
asked in the in the comments too, would we want
(50:56):
to do this again? Oh heck yeah, you know, I
mean yeah, and you know, we'd love to have Alex
with us, you know, on on one of these.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah myself, you know, just going into that you know,
looks like they do it. Yeah, like a guy who fork.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (51:17):
Other areas, you know, Uh, if we go you know,
mid Atlantic area, West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, Uh, you know,
New York. Yeah, that would be uh, that would be outstanding.
We would love to do that. And again it's going
full circle again to the beginning. It's not about the money,
it's about having fun. And you know, like I said,
(51:41):
if there were so many good people that you meet
in the big Foot community and you do, you become
lifelong friends. Uh, you know, not not just with us,
but like you know, with Gwen. You know, one an awesome,
awesome person. She was and I'm glad that she was there,
although all he saw from the very beginning was her
walking directly to the eyeshine.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
I'm like, yeah, you know, but listen, those ladies.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Have balls, man. Let me tell you they are all.
When this stuff happening, I was more concerned that they
were going to get crazy and Aaron and I were
going to be like I was concerned that they were
going to go get shit done, and he and I
were going to looking like pans. Yeah, because we were
like I went into strategy mode and kind of like
(52:29):
analytical mode, and these let's go, let's get out there,
let's see what this is like. Ladies, come on, let's
back down. Not Gwen, she's leading the charge.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
I mean, but there was so much that, you know,
the editing, which was done well, by the way, I
wasn't edited at a sequencer made to seem scary and stupid.
It was done well. But you know, they were really
a significant part of that. And you know, one of
the things I talk about is celebrating the women in
our field and the great work and the contributions they make.
They all did a fantastic job that wee can decide
(53:01):
from just Aaron and I and you like, we were
able to introduce you know, the world to great friends,
the people that spent a lot of time out there
in the alleghenies. And you know, I said, I've seen
the comments, and you know, I always feel bad because
I don't read them. You know, Matt, I told you
I wasn't going to read them anymore. And I've stayed
(53:22):
pretty good to that. I've been good. But remember they
are real people who do real things, and it takes
a lot of courage to get up there and talk
about your experiences and your research in a world where
you're already made fun of because of what you believe
in what you're doing. I'm very proud of our friends.
They all showed up.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
It was great to finally meet Paul Boggden, somebody I've
heard of for years, and you know, just great to
be with Jeff and Julie. I think it might have
been the first through the door hug that anybody's ever
done through a pickup truck with me and Jep. I'm
a hugger of folks.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
I really am. Hopefully they're always that the evidence.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
I'm a hunger and I love people. It's what we do,
and I think that's what really brought you know, I
think brought a little difference is introducing all these crazy
people in Pennsylvania that love to look for Bigfoot. There
is a lot of fun. Yep, any terry you want
to throw in there at all, vans on it or
any final thoughts, I'm sorry, Matt, go ahead and then
we'll go to vance.
Speaker 4 (54:20):
I was just gonna say though. There was so much
and we talked about the editing. There was so much
that I wish could have gotten in and again, I'd
love to see in in maybe an like you know,
out like a clip episode maybe you know, down the line.
But yeah, this was a fantastic series to work on,
(54:44):
and you know, hopefully we get to do it again.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
I hope. So I mean a lot of fun and
that we're not that we're pandering, but we're pandering, but
it would be great Vans.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
You know, A couple of things that I did take
away watching what you guys did was the genuine reaction
to what the experience was at the time from everybody.
It was very genuine. It was very guttural. I don't
know if that's the right word to use, but it was.
(55:22):
It was very genuine and explaining to each other everybody
else's experience as to what's going on. And there was
a lot of correlation that meshed to make the same
experience and then to move forward to try to figure
out what was going on. And I couldn't. I couldn't
(55:43):
put paws on to go in the kitchen and get
a snack. I just had to sit there and continue watching.
So it was very compelling as to what was happening
at the time.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
There wasn't a day Matt and I that we didn't
have fun working on that project. Yeah, and you know,
of course it's leading into our book that's coming out
next year's I mean, Matt and I are writing Elusive Truth,
which is kind of a companion to Investigation Bigfoot. It's
been moments of heat writing it and then moments of cold.
(56:17):
But we are going to get back here out of
the holidays, settling down, we can get heavy into it.
I think it's going to be different than what folks
are used to and I think you're going to get
to know us a little bit more intimately in terms
of our backgrounds and our experiences with Yeah, I mean
it might be man, you're going to read a lot
(56:40):
about some of my earlier, earlier encounters and stories from
when I first got involved in this, so it's pretty cool.
And then of course a lot of case study that's
going to go into it too that Matt's compiling. You know,
we're probably going to have a pretty pre comprehensive citing
report book for in that as well.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yep, yep, well how's this Sean? You know, Scott made
the comment he's not a fan of snakes either.
Speaker 7 (57:09):
Go ahead, Henry, I was just gonna say I also
enjoy Small Town Monster is the latest episode which is
about the search in western North Carolina for.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
Of course, film the Ancients bit with the Ancients.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Right, you know, we're going to be a lot of
stuff coming from these regions that I really appreciate and enjoy.
And we're just glad to be a part of the ride.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
We really are.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
We love our friends and small Town Monsters. We love
our audience here at Sasquatch Experience and upon which we
wish you all a very merry Christmas and a happy
new year. Take the time and enjoy it with your
loved ones. And Henry, why don't you take us out
with those with that with that.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Phrase, Yeah, I'll be good, it'd be good at it.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
That's it, folks, for twenty twenty five. Keep on squatching.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
See you next year, See you next year.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
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