Sasquatch Experience Classics: "Washingtonian" Mike F. (5/4/2008)

Henry May and James Baker, joined by John Cartwright and Live Callers, talk with "Washingtonian" Mike F. Archived from 5/4/2028. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
And good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is Henry maysoning
in for Melissa Hovey. Uh, Melissa's into the weather tonight,
so she ne's a little bit of She's gonna need
our prayers and our well wishes and we want to
send all our prayers well wishes out to her. But well,
this is strange. James, you're on the board twice. All right, Yeah,
we got James Baker with us tonight. James, how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm doing all right? How are you doing, Henry good?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm just fine. And we're looking forward to the bake
shop this week. We missed it last week. We got
a call from seven to five to seven. That's probably
John Cartwright. John, Hey, bet you John yet that's me okay,
all right, Well we're gonna we're gonna have free co
hosts tonight. We got John Cartwright with us tonight.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
This should be a good show. And our guest is
again for those of you who might have missed it
the first missed him the first time he was on
WASHINGTONI and is back with us tonight. Washington or Mike,
how are you?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I'm doing good?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Good, good good? Okay, Now that We've gotten a little
intros out of the way. This is a Sasquatch experience
for Sunday, May fourth, two thousand and eight, and folks,
we're gonna launch run into the bake shop for tonight.
I know James has got some things he wants to cover,
so James take it away, sure, Henry. Is the big

(01:23):
thing that.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I've gotten lately is is, you know a lot of
people are into asking a question of how to lure
a sasquatch to their area, or how to lure a
local sasquatch to the area that they want to research.
So what I thought of was is what I call
a sasquatch garden. Find an area you've had some sightings,

(01:43):
make sure you've got permission to plant and study the area.
Make it an accessible area to you and anybody else
researching it. You know, make it a map of what
you're doing is always a good idea. But what you
do is you buy seeds from your local store. You
know that's either a perennial or a receding plant. Make
sure they're tolerant to where you live. Doun't buy pineapples
and pennsylvania you know, sea packets at the most dollar

(02:09):
stores or Mega marks or usually ten cents apiece you
can buy. You know, you can buy a wide variety
for as little as ten dollars a few weeks before
you're gonna do this. Once you've picked your area and
you know this is where you're gonna do, prepare the
soil a little bit. Use maybe some extra peat moss
or burn meal, or some line or blood meal which

(02:30):
you can get it lows, or you can use from
your own garden stock. You know. Now, like I said,
the season, the seeds you choose from are important that
they're tolerant to your area. But as far as let
you buy use something with you know, use the little
brains when you do it. Pick stuff that you know

(02:51):
one is not going to be real tall or gonna
be real noticeable by other people, because you don't want
a lot of foot traffic going, oh wow, I found
a lot of strong berries, and then there's like twenty
people hanging out there constantly stealing the strawberries and the
raspberries stuff like that. You know, you can plant strawberries
and raspberries and blueberries, but try to put them in

(03:11):
an area that it doesn't look so obvious from like
the road. You know, I bought green onions, some squash,
some lettuce, some spinach, radishes. I don't know what a
cold robbie is, but they say it's a really nice
white thing and it attracts deer, swiss, charred and common seeds.

(03:33):
And with those, I just basically took a metal spike
poking in the ground through a couple seeds and through
some peat moss on top of it. The strawberries and
the raspberries. Once you plants, they'll pop up every years themselves.
The raspberry vines themselves will actually grow into the environment,

(03:54):
same with the blueberries and the strawberries, and they'll spread
like wildfire, you know, pick ground level plants. So the
exact reason was is that that were then there weren't
a lot of people that didn't know that they were
there getting there. Okay, you don't need to make rows
like a garden, you know, place them around an area

(04:14):
with you know, any kind of haphazard because you want
to give it kind of a natural field that it
just grew there, because that may draw if it looks
like we attempted to grow it made the creature has
it seems to be the creature of semi smart things
we do. And I think that if you make it
look like you attempted to make them a garden, they're

(04:35):
going to avoid it like the plague.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
The only thing that I've I've done that I have
all these printed on my blog, which Henry has been
nice enough to put how to get to my blog
through my space, right Henry.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Mm hmm, Okay, I'm moving with the link in the
chat for everybody, It's www dot MySpace dot com, slash
jeans NSB just just a letter be the letter be
wil work wild.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
And the same work I will. Anybody wants to have
a MySpace count, I'm willing to be your friend. And
I write a lot of nice things in my blogs,
and really, honestly, I love comments for the simple fact is,
whether it's positive or negative, just make it constructive, because
the fact is if you just say this sucks and
gives me no reason, how do I fix it?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
You know?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
The only complaint I've gotten so far about my theory
about making the garden is that deer and rabbits will
probably steal my crop. But the whole point was to
get animals to that area, and if sostquatch is truly
an omnivore, which he'll eat pretty much. He's hungry, he
sees that he eats it. What's the big deal with

(05:53):
little extra meat running around? You know, you get more
rabbits in that may draw him in more. I got
this idea actually from another blog that's on my MySpace.
The Game Commission and a Park Service has been doing
this for deer for the last few years and it
seems to be working rather well to bring more deer

(06:13):
in and larger deer now. The only the only thing
I do say is, and this is something that I
really I talked to the Lissa a little bit about
on one of our shows. Don't put it near your house.
You know, self, Clutch is not a Harry and the
Henderson tame creature you don't expect is gonna hang out
with your family. You don't want to bring it to

(06:33):
your house any closer than you want to. But if
you are getting sightings near your home, then maybe you
want to reroute it a couple of miles away, you know,
to make it safer for your family.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
And there you got any comments, Well, no, we've got
registered in our garden. And I'll tell you what you
know this sounds like a darn good idea, James. I mean,
I always love the tamps that you give on this thing.
You know, it's great.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I mean, I think the big thing is is we
have to think outside the box. And who's the other
co host? I'm sorry, mister.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Your first name, he's gonna call back. Its her name
is John?

Speaker 5 (07:14):
Cut him off?

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Didn't you happened?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think blogcot cut us off because it did the
same thing to me. The other thing that I wanted
to talk about was let's start boycotting that big Foot documentaries.
I lost the commercial on television. I'm not gonna give
you what channel, but it was an ad for a
TV and it stated all the kinds of things that
us researchers go, Wow, this is gonna be the most

(07:42):
phenomenal thing on the planet. We have proof. At the
end of the show, all it was was bad camera
angled some scared check that was supposedly a serious research assistant,
but she looked like nineteen And the only reason that
she was in on there is because she could sell
in the d cup are any wrote female listeners? But
if you saw the show, that's exactly why she was there.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Okay, I mean the man that was Spurvially.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
The expert trots out thousands of dollars equipment, all these maps.
He's got infrared, he's got sonar, he's got sound detection,
he's got heat sensors, gas detectors, and he's got like
twelve different vehicles and capturing devices to get him. He
goes out and has a night of night vision interest
he bumps into him and the cameraman and the girl

(08:32):
so she can freak out, you know. And then at
the end of the night they come back and their
their whole area is trash. Do they blame it on
the creature? Well, my only big question was because a
lot of all this equipment, why didn't they get videos
whatever trash they're camp. I asked that question, and I
actually sent it to these people, and I never got

(08:54):
an answer. And I think I know what the answer
is is because somebody they had, probably some associate while
they're gone, trash their camps so they look more legitimate.
I don't know about you, Henry, but I'm just so
tired of these The truth is out there. We've found
everything you need to know. You can stop hunting because
next week you're gonna see it. In the museum shows.

(09:17):
I mean, do you see this a lot of times?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I do see it, James, I really do. And it's unfortunate,
but it's all But it's just something we gotta deal with.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I guess, you know, honestly serious or semi serious researchers,
Just how serious sometimes can we be? I mean we
have to, we have to be serious in the work,
but at some point we have to look at ourselves
and what we're doing. But honestly, we need to police
ourselves on quality. I mean, I make videos, and I

(09:49):
admit they're on MySpace, but most of my videos are
more of an informative you know, Hey, this is how
we tried to make a footprint. I don't ever try
to make Actually, as soon as I get some real
time off me and for ker Lot in the Woods,
and we're gonna make a bad size cart video and
then we're gonna break it down for you to show
you the difference between what do you know why? It's

(10:11):
why when you watch these shows you should be disappointed.
That's why I have.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Okay, James, you have any.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Please let me know.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Always very helpful and if folks remember, you can contact
James through his MySpace page www dot MySpace dot com
slash James B. Wilde And we've gone a caller already
from the eight six zero area code. I think I
know who this is if I can bring them up. Okay,
eight six zero, you're on the air with the Sasquatch Experience.
James Baker, Henry May and Washingtonian also known as Mike.

Speaker 7 (10:46):
How y'all doing?

Speaker 6 (10:48):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (10:48):
Bill? Yeah, I'd like to ask a wash or my
good question? What do you think about Freeman? The Paul
Freeman footage on Washington Stay. Do you think got tack
on it? Do you think it needs more research done
to it? And also do I had rumors there was

(11:11):
a baby big put in that film foot even though
I've never seen the baby one. I was the adult
one going across the.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
And Okay are you waiting for me to answer?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yes, there we are.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Okay. I haven't drawn any conclusions on that one myself.
I tend to think it's I lean more towards it
being genuine. And yeah, what you're referring to. I know
some people have said it looks like a mask that
somebody is taking off, or a hat or some kind

(11:50):
of headgear. But what most people are thinking, is it
could be a baby sasquatch that was being carried on
its neck.

Speaker 7 (12:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
I do know. The people that I know that do
photo analysis that I respect, they also lean towards the
site of it being authentic. I'm I'm not conclusive on that,
but but that's my opinion.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
Do you have you know the increase of a fast
squat lad of activity or footprint activity when there after
a big storm happened up in your.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
State after a big storm. Yeah, No, I haven't heard
of it being increased after a big storm.

Speaker 7 (12:41):
Ah, I've heard of most wildlife. Usually wild life moved
around more after or during a storm. And I figured
people who I thought of you heard of come.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Import Nope, I can't say that I have.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Bill, Oh, I have a question that kind of brings
up from Bill's questions. You had said that it looked
to you like a baby sasquatch being held by its neck.
Now the series of me and Forker have kind of
put back and forth that it is an ape like creature.
All right, It's known to grab their young by the neck.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
No, I mean it was it was writing its mother's neck.
I don't know that it.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Okay, I'm sorry. I misunderstood what you said. I thought
you the way you said it the first time, I
thought you meant that it had it by the head.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Oh no, No, I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
White clean out cats will grab their kittens by the
neck and carry them to where they want to do.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah, I haven't heard of how the sasquatch carries its baby.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
To be honest with you, Okay, has it been sighting
over by Mountain Helen or any other mountain range in
Washington State recently or then? Pack of months?

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, nothing in the past couple of months that I've
heard of. I try to keep an eye on the
newspapers and what's going on around and nothing that I've
seen lately.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
Oh well, all right, Well I called hi to everybody
and hope you guys do Pinue to do a great show.
And hope other people call him as well if they
want to.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
You bet, thanks for calling Bill.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
Oh no problem.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
What what do you say? Well, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Something about other people can call that they want.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
No, he said something right at the right at the
end there. What do you say, Oh, I didn't quite
catch that.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, I mean either it was kind of cutting, I know.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
I said I was happy to hear from him. So
maybe you thought that was him.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
I don't know, Bill pos calling a little early on
these shows, within the first twenty minutes or so.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Oh well, alas good to hear from him now.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, I know it is. By the way, John should
be back with us. I hope John. Are you there?

Speaker 6 (15:20):
Yeah, come back quick?

Speaker 1 (15:21):
All right? And uh, before we get into the interview,
I want to make an announcement I'm gonna make. I'm
gonna continue to make this announcement. I'm gonna hold this
thing out. It's the upcoming twentieth annual Ohio Bigfoot Conference
and who are coming up on Saturday May seventeenth, two

(15:43):
thousand and eight at Salt Fork State Park in cam Or,
near Cambridge, Ohio. It's gonna it's gonna start at about
four o'clock Eastern. It's gonna end at ten o'clock Eastern.
The guests the speakers this year are M. K. David Doctor,
Jeff Meldrum, Eric Altman, and all the way from Russia,

(16:04):
Igor Bortsev. It's gonna start at four again. There's gonna
be a meet in great Friday nights in one of
the conference rooms at the Salt Fork Lodge. It will
be eight o'clock eastern. So those of you who are going, hey,
it's gonna be great. You know, it's gonna be a
terrific too, almost a two day event. And then I

(16:27):
believe the day after, which would be Sunday, there is
going to be a guided tour of Salt Fork State Park.
Dog's gonna take us, take us to different areas where
sightings have occurred with Prince even found. So that's gonna
be an exciting time for everybody who's gonna be there.

(16:50):
And I'm going, yes, yes, yes, and I am going.
And by the way, John's.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Going to be my roommate there, Joy Joy.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
So well, anyway, I just wanted to mention that that's
gonna be a great event. Don always he seems to
always put on good conferences, Bob in the chat room.
So we're gonna go on ahead, and we're gonna launch
into this into this interview Washington Washingtonian. We want to

(17:34):
welcome you back to the past watch experience.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Oh, thank you, that's good to be back.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yep. And last time you were on, there was quite
a bit of talk about the Patterson Gimmon movie. There
was quite a bit of talk about Roger Patterson and
your memories of him. You mentioned that you actually got
to see the movie The Patterson Gimmon Film in his
living room, which I thought a very interesting story, and

(18:01):
you did touch on a little bit about Bob Heronymous. Now,
the first question I'm going to ask you tonight is
referring to the local legends of the of the Bigfoot
in Yakima. There was a there's an author who's writing
a biography on Roger Patterson's name was David Murphy, and

(18:25):
he mentioned that reports go back quite a few ways,
quite a ways. Reports of bigfoot signings go back long
before Patterson and his family moved into the area, and
as recently as I believe he said two thousand and four,
two thousand and six, there were still reports going on
which would seemed to negate greg Long's claim that Bigfoot

(18:46):
only came along when Roger Patterson moved into town and
left when Roger Patterson died. How do you react to that.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Oh, well, I think you're right, it tends to negate
that claim. I think the only reason there was more
noticed or more attention brought to the sightings is because
there was someone there looking and interested in the sightings.
If you don't have someone there that's interested in them,

(19:14):
then nobody's ever going to hear about them and willing
to go out and question the people and talk to
them see what exactly happened. Yeah, I'm aware also of
the Yakama Indian people that I have known in the past.

(19:35):
It's very commonly accepted among them that they are out there.
Their understanding or their belief I guess I should say,
is that they are to be left alone. I know
of one person who went to the Mount Adams area

(19:55):
on the Yakama County side to do some very picking,
and while they were very picking, they get that very familiar,
well familiar feeling that they're being watched. And their belief

(20:15):
is that when they get that feeling, that that's who
it is, that it is Sasquatch, and that's his way
of letting it them know that they're in his territory,
and their immediate response is to just pick up their
things and go. That's their belief system, and that's been

(20:38):
there for quite some time. And that didn't just show
up when Roger showed.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Up, right, And of course it didn't end when he died.
You know, that's right, that's right. Now. The one thing
I'm sorry, go ahead, John, Mike rather.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah, there have been continued sightings in the Yakama County area.
Ones that I've heard of are farther out into the mountains.
But UH, during the time that UH Roger was investigating sightings,
they were on the edges of a lot of UH orchards.

(21:17):
You were talking earlier about planting food, you know, Uh,
they do come in to the orchards. They've been known
to come into the orchards to get fruit when that
fruit is in season, when it comes right. That's where
a lot of the sightings of tracks have occurred have

(21:38):
been in the in the orchards. M Well, that's a
good idea growing something that would interest.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yep. Now, one thing, the one thing that I found
interesting was UH Bob Gimlin And this was the last
UH interview he gave on the radio program. It was
on UH Bigfoot Central. UH. He mentioned a young man
on the Yakama Indian Reservation that shot a big foot
and he started having in the Native Americans believed I

(22:11):
believed in the you know, like if you see wonder,
if you shoot one, it's bad luck. And he said
this young man has several calamities before him. He lost
his job. He think I think he lost his job.
Let's see first, No, it mustn't he lost his job.
It's like first his truck broke. At first, he got

(22:34):
in a wreck in his car. Then he fell down
and broke his leg, and then his wife lift him,
and then his wife left him, you know. And the
naive Americans were saying, well, that's probably because you shot
the big foot.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Let me get straight, he shot a big foot in
his life, became a country.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Saw exactly James.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
Killing the white buffalo.

Speaker 8 (22:58):
Don't do that, man, There you.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Go, my god.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Well John has seen one.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yes he has.

Speaker 8 (23:16):
Yes, I've had plenty of bad luck.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
But anyway, I didn't know if you were familiar with
that or not. Mike. I don't know if you were
familiar with that story.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
No, I'm not. I remember hearing something about it, but
I'm not real familiar with it.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
So Mike, is there a story that maybe you're familiar
with it that you could give up? I don't think
we have as much of a like questions and asked
pre written down.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Okay, well, I think the one that caught my interest.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
At the time that Roger was doing his investigations, was
a fellow by the name of Ken. I believe it
was Ken Petty Chong he. I think he was nineteen
at the time, and he and three of his friends
were out driving in the country when all of a sudden,

(24:39):
in front of the road. In the road in front
of them was a sasquatch blocking their way so they
couldn't pass. He hit the brakes pretty hard, hard enough
that it killed the engine, and the thing was coming around,

(25:00):
carrying in the windows at them, and he was frantically
trying to get his I think he flooded. It flooded
his car trying to get it restarted, and everybody that
was in the car saw it. It was a large

(25:20):
creature covered in silvery white hair, and it was a
drizzling rain at the time, and everyone in the car
confirmed what he saw, and it was created quite a
stir at that time.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, that story was in Roger's book. Yeah, the bobble
Snowmen of America really exist.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yep, Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
I was.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, I was found that to be a fascinating story.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Yeah, I think, uh, you know, it's one of those
stories that makes you sit back and say, now, these
people have no idea before their experience, uh what was
being you know, thought about fast squatch or anything, and uh,
all of a sudden they're confronted face to face with one,

(26:16):
you know, and what do they do? And I remember
there was a a fair amount of ridicule sent their
way because if they were locals, you know, in the area.
And of course I know Roger suffered also quite a
bit of ridicule, but he had a way of of
letting it roll off his back, you know, like the

(26:36):
water off a duct's back, and continued on and uh
he it was his interest in you know, recording these things.
Uh that we wouldn't know some of these stories if
he hadn't. And that's true of a lot of researchers,
I believe. I've heard that accusation of other researchers is

(27:00):
that you know, there were no sasquatch in the area
until this researchers showed up. Well, I think that there
were and there are is just take someone willing to
listen to people's stories and give them the credit that
they deserve.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
And I think that is the key because the fact
that in the two years or almost be. Yeah, in
the two years that I've been working with Henry and Sean,
we take a lot of flack just for the fact
is that when you mentioned bigfoot or sasquatch in a room,
people turn and look at you a little strange. And
I think the fact is what they forget about is

(27:38):
the fact is that we're doing research to find out
yes or no, you know, and we don't need the
extra flack. And I don't think that. I don't from
what I've learned from from Henry and what I've learned
from Sean or I've learned from Melissa is if there's
nothing out there, then there's something out there making us

(27:58):
think this. So there has to be an answer. And
and to just say there's nothing because oh well no,
this research guy showed up. Well he showed up because
everything that he saw, his map and everything else points
to your little town might be a hotspot. I mean
the same with ghost hunters. Say you know, the house
on whatever street is haunted, and then then some weird

(28:21):
things happen after the ghost hunters arrive. Well they did
was notice the fact, the same thing you did, except
they got people talking, you know.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yep, examply that's that's what it takes. Sometimes. I think
give people an opportunity where they're not going to be
read and not be a little and more truth will
come out.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I think yep, okay. I wanted to draw out the
phone number. The phone number tonight if you guys want
to call in like Bill Green did earlier. Number is
three four seven nine ninety six, five eight one four
three four seven nine ninety six, five eight one four.

(29:08):
And we've got several great folks in our chat room tonight.
I believe I'm gonna go ahead and do our shout
outs for tonight. We have in our chat room guests
one four eight one. And by the way, I want
to remind all our guests that you can register for
a free account at blog talk radio dot com. Doctor
wadec is just joined us. In the chat room. We

(29:29):
have guests one four seven four. We have Scott B
f R P Kentucky. We have E O B I
see that's Don Keening. We have P d Wistro also
known as p dub. Good to see you. Pete Bob
coin kick ass Bob coin in our chat tonight. We
got leed him. That's Dustin. Congrats on the new member
of your family upcoming. We have guests one four oh

(29:51):
five guests one four zero zero. We have Reverend Strone,
our good friend and a great artist provided some great art,
worked for some folks recently, including Melissa Hovey. We have
guests one three eight three. We have Great Pumpkin. We
have let me see here. We have our own den mother,

(30:14):
Karen Oh. Always good to see her. John Cartwright, he
was on with us tonight. We have sass Foot. We
have the incomparable Bill Green. We have Derek. We have
guests one three four zero. We have Shaboom too. It's
always good to see her. We have Green Eyes. That's
our good friend Linda. We have Washingtonian. That's our guest tonight.

(30:37):
We have Old Bud, Steve Summer. We have guests one
three two nine. We have Tom s u uh oh.
We have Tape Master. We have a fy like creature.
That's our good friend Rich McClure. We have fau b Daddy.
We have Gangliam. That's Kevin. We have Old Crow that's Patty.

(31:00):
We have thunder Hawk. That's Darren Richardson, who has his
own program on balk Talk Radio, The Bigfoot Mystery, which
airs at seven eastern on Sunday afternoons. We have Long Island, Yunie,
that's a good friend, me and Mike Killing. We have
Jennis Carter, and of course we have the Sasquatch experience
that would be yours truly, Henry May. So that is

(31:22):
our roll call for today, and I want to make
an announcement before we move on any further. Today is
the one and only Billy Willard's birthday, the co host
of the Spush Detective Radio and head of Sasquatch Watch
of Virginia. So have birthday, Billy, Hope it's a good
one for you, my friend.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Don't drink too many.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
There you go. I did say doctor Wade, c doctor Wade,
but you must not have heard it. And we now
have Rosie in the chatroom. Hello Rosie. Anyway, that's our
shoutouts for this week. John or James, do you have
any comments questions for Mike?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Go ahead, go ahead, go first, Now you go ahead.
I was actually gonna ask you if you had a
question for him, but yeah, I'll go ahead.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Let me think one.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
That I don't think that we do a lot of
here is what what brought you in? What besides if
it wouldn't have been that you would have met. If
you wouldn't have met Patterson, Do you think you'd still
be in the same field.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Boy, I don't. I don't think so. I don't think
I would have been brought into it had I not
met Rogers.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
The reason I asked the question is because, in this
particular situation, you met one of the you know, one
of the the pinnacle people for this.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Research.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Whether we deny or whether we say it to hoax
or it isn't or whichever one. And I'm not pointing
either way. His name pops up on every pretty much
sixty percent of all bigfoot conversations. So I just wanted
to know. Is the reason I asked the question is
because was it big in your area before he really

(33:24):
you said that it was somewhat, But where there did
he kind of start the groups and stuff like that?
And then that's you know, that's why you stayed involved
or was it because you just what you saw sound
founded you so much that you get involved.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
It was, Yeah, that makes sense that it was more
Rogers way of going about it. He did more. He
was kind of an independent guy, more of an independent
research group. I don't believe that it was until he

(34:01):
published his book that he really tried to form an organization.
And uh, he pretty much went out took people that
he knew and trusted with him when he would do
the interviews. Uh. And it was his admission that one
thing that that startled me was that, uh, he started

(34:24):
as a skeptic himself. Of course, keeping the idea that
skepticism means that you're searching, you're not just uh, showing
everything out when somebody says something. You know, he understood
that the the idea of skepticism basically means that the

(34:46):
the the evidence eventually needs to stand up to criticism. Uh.
But that's how he started investigating, was that he doubted
that they were out there, but the more he investigated,
the more convinced he became that there is indeed something

(35:06):
very real out there. So that I thought I was
very honest of him to admit that and was an
indicator to me at that time that you know, he
wasn't trying to hoax anybody, He wasn't pulling any jokes.

(35:26):
He was seriously looking.

Speaker 9 (35:31):
Then.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Wow, and that's what I think, Henry, I'm sorry, James,
go ahead, Well.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
I all finish my thought and then you go ahead ahead, Henry. Well,
I that's one thing that I think is really important
is when we start this research, we have to have
an open mind, you know. And I'm I'm so glad
to hear that one of the forefront you know, forefathers
basically had the research, had an open mind when he
first stepped into it, and actually more an anti than

(36:01):
that four. So that's just kind of relevant, you know,
like a revelation there, Henry, you had a question.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Well, I just wanted to I just wanted to ask.
I wanted to ask Mike. Now, there was there was
some rumors, you know, but there there it was. It
was going around that But Rogers book did not sail

(36:33):
very well when it first came out, but it really
started sailing a lot better after the film was taken. Now,
was it sold nationwide at that time or was it
just sold regionally, like around Yakima around Washington State.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Well, as far as I know, it was sold locally
around Yakama, around Washington. I don't know had some outlets
for it. In fact, I remember going to the store
where that was carrying his book. Uh, and he did

(37:11):
an autographing session at that store in Yakima. Unfortunately I
did not get one of those, but I do have
a copy of his book. I don't remember that it
was how he marketed in.

Speaker 7 (37:32):
M M.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
And I don't remember that his book sales increased after
his film. I don't recall that happening, but you know
that it could have been, but I don't. Uh uh.
I think the insinuation there oftentimes is that he again

(37:55):
faked the film to sell books. Well, I don't. I
honestly don't think so. I don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, right now, now we're gonna get into this, and
I know there's some in the chat room we probably
don't want to hear about this, but we're gonna get
into Bob Hoeronymous and uh, let's say that. What I
want to ask is, and we may have talked about
this last time, is it quote unquote well known around

(38:27):
U Yakima that he was the guy in the suit?
And does he have one hundred people backing his story up?
And not hardly anybody backing up Bob Gimlin.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Uh No, I don't believe soul Uh. I never heard
Bob Ranimus his name mentioned until this last What I
long ago to the greg longest book come out. That
was the first time I heard of Bob Hoeronymous. I
was not knowing anything about uh mister Hieronymous and till

(39:03):
that book. So I don't believe that. Uh the only
reason that there's uh fewer people if it's true backing
Bob Gimling. Uh Bob lived through it and he and
Roger were the only ones there to see it. You know, Uh,

(39:24):
what can you say to someone who you know was
the only one of two people left to see the creature? Uh,
mister Hieronymous's uh story is we all know changes so much,

(39:45):
and I really don't know what his motivation is for
doing what he's done, but uh it's I think it's
a sad, a sad thing.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
What he's well, you know, you you are aware that
he and Gimlin lived not very far from each other,
only about a football field away from each other.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Oh yeah, and they were friends in the past. You know,
their relationship has suffered over this. But you know, I
gotta respect Bob Gimlin because he absolutely refuses to say
anything bad about Bob Heronymous. Now, if you sit down

(40:28):
and talk to mister Heronymous, it's not like that. So
I tend to. You know, just like a lot of
things that have been going on in the bigfoot research
field all along, is it's real easy to find people

(40:50):
to come out and criticize and be negative and put down.
That's real easy to come across. You don't very often
come across a person who's been attacked by someone and
will say, you know, that guy's been a friend of
mine for a long time, and I'm not gonna say
anything bad about him. You know.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, that's how That's how Gimlin. Gimblin kind of feels
that way about Hieronymous. You know, he kind of he
kind of you know, he says he doesn't really want
to say much bad about Hieronymous, but you know he
knows he knows Hieronymous as a b sir. And you'd
ask David Murphy about that. David Murphy talked to several
people in Yakima when he went up there to do

(41:33):
research for his book, and he even talked to some
of Hieronymous's friends and they said, yeah, well, yeah, Bob's
a nice guy, but yeah he's a bser.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
H Yeah, that's true. Uh, you know, he's a friendly guy.
In fact, I know of another neighbor to my parents
where they were living in Yakima, who felt down in
his yard, uh mowing his lawn and was not able

(42:04):
to get up because of a physical problem that he had.
And he's couldn't believe.

Speaker 9 (42:10):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Cars were driving right by, and uh could see him
laying in the yard, but nobody, nobody stopped. Well, finally
somebody stopped and dog gun it was Bob Eronymous. He
stopped to help him out and picked him up, and uh,
you know, so you know there's good in all people.

(42:31):
I think he's not totally evil. I think he's just
got a mischievous side to him that uh hm, you know,
he's he's craved this attention for some reason all of
a sudden. I don't know. Uh. If he really felt
that he was owed some money, I really think he
probably would have started right after the film was taken,

(42:57):
not forty years later.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yep. Uh, we have a question from Don Keating. He's
in our chat room tonight.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
He asked, uh, if you know a fellow by the
name of Tom in Northeast Ohio.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
M No, I can't say that I do.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Tom fellow from Northeast Ohio. Now that's what he was saying.
I I I'm not familiar with him either.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
No, not that I know of unless he.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
And Don says he can't mention the man's last name.
So okay, yeah, okay, but no, folks, it is about
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Oh, I was just curious. Did he come from Yakama?
That would be the only way I know him.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Uh, I don't know. He was the eastern distributor for
Roger's book.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Okay, No, I don't. I don't know who that would be.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Okay, all right, I hope answers your question. Don, Okay,
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Speaker 1 (47:11):
All right, welcome back, So something y'all had a chance
to stretch your legs, use the restroom, get something out
of a refrigerator, maybe get a drink of water. We
are back and we have John with us, John Cartwright,
and we've got James Baker and our guest is Mike,
also known as Washingtonian. Welcome back, gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Thanks for that break.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
No problem. So before the break, we were talking a
little bit about Bob Hoeronymous and how his story is
not well known around Yakima. You know, apparently the apparently
kal Korff believes that, you know, it's a well known
story about around Yakima, and that even Gilman's former boss

(47:59):
will not go against or believe it, knows it's a
hoax and Gimlin will not go against him, and all
this stuff. I I don't know how true this is,
you know.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Yeah, well, I know basically that you know, Bob Gimlin
has not uh changed his story, but he's not gotten
down into the gutter with some of these people too,
and right to me that that shows a lot more integrity,
uh than if he were to try to fight to

(48:33):
you know, how can he prove what he's seen? You
know that he's taken the higher road definitely, and I
think the more more uh honorable way to go. I
just don't understand why if these people feel the need to,

(48:55):
uh make these kind of accusations. You know, it's beyond me.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Now as far as Roger goes, he did make quite
a bit of money from the film, but he also
spent it. Again. Now Greg Long claims, well that that
that must mean you know, he was just out in
it for the money, you know that he was only
in it for the money. That he said that people
described to him that there were trash cans full of money,

(49:27):
you know. But the thing is, and you can ask again,
you can refer to David Murphy on this. Patterson heard
about a supposed dead bigfoot in a cave in Thailand,
and he spent all the rest of his money. This
was just a few months before he died. He spent
all his money, yes, on research, Daniel, It all went

(49:48):
back into research, should be, and shortly before he died,
you know, he went to Thailand on a wild goose chase,
actually a wild sasquatch chase because it turned out to
be nothing turned out being nothing there. Now do you
think that would be the actions of a hoaxer?

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Mike, No, he wouldn't go across all the way over
to Thailand to do research if he felt he was
making money sufficient enough off of his movie. That's just
not consistent with what a hoaxer would do. In fact,

(50:28):
my brother, my older brother, was invited to go on
that trip and be a photographer for Roger because my
brother was into photography at the time. He declined simply
on the basis that if he did not go to college,

(50:50):
then he was going to be eligible for the draft.
He did not want to go into be eligible for
the draft, so stayed. Yeah. Really was a sad, sad
thing that that happened. Yeah, he would like to have gone,
but right, he wanted to go to college.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah, yeah, Now. And also, I'll tell you something else
that would not be consistent with the hoax, would be
if what happened was shortly after the filming Patterson actually
had he got in contact with John Green try and

(51:38):
get tracking dogs down there to the to the to
the film site into the area. That's not to me,
that's not consistent with a hoax or either, because those
dogs would sniff out a hoax right away, right right.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
And also taking the film to Hollywood. Some people have
claimed that Roger's doing that was proof of a hoax. Well,
when he took it to Hollywood. He took it to
the people who were, you know, the best of the
best of the time, and just had a simple question

(52:13):
for them, can you duplicate this? He didn't go there
trying to prove anything. He wanted to know. He was
wanting to find out if they could duplicate that film
strip that he had, and of course at the time,

(52:36):
nobody said they could. There have been several people since
then who have said they could, but they haven't done it.
So it's all of the things. You can look at
some of the things and call them inconsistencies when actually
if you look at the real reasons, they would and

(53:00):
to hold his story up rather than be an explanation
of the hopes.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yes, I tend to agree with that. One more thing
about Hieronymous, and then John Cartwright has a question for you. Well,
it's not I don't know if it's really connected to
Hieronymous so much. But Jeremy Lee Merritt tells of a
story of one night I suppose that Bigfoot had come
around his property and his dog went out there and well,

(53:31):
it grabbed this quote unquote Bigfoot by its family jewels,
and the individual was howling and screaming in terror and
ran down the road after the dog. Let go to.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Where that dog chased it down, chased.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
It down to the end of the road. Now there
is a rumor that Hieronymous actually had a gorilla suit
that may have been a white girl of a suit.
Are you familiar with exactly are you familiar with that story.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
I'm familiar with the Jerry Merritt story. I was at
Jerry Merritt's house also, and I saw that dog. That
dog had. In fact, when we went to see the dog,
it was cowered underneath like a bed in the basement

(54:30):
where Jerry Merritt lived, and he had a difficult time
getting it to come out from under the bed. And
he wanted to show us the dog and the wound
on the dog's neck where it looked pretty apparent like
a finger punch, Like you if you were strong enough

(54:53):
to grab an animal and squeeze hard enough to punch
your finger through the skin. That's what it looked like,
except a larger than a human finger.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
And uh yeah, that poor dog was just terrified after that.
And there were there were several dogs, he had more
than one dog, but that was the one dog did
that did uh get brave enough to challenge the sasquatch?
Hm hm, my gosh, I remember that pretty well.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Mm yep. Okay, John has a question for you. I'm
sure he's chomping at the bit, so I'm gonna give
the floor over to him. Go ahead, John, I like, Hey, John.

Speaker 10 (55:43):
Uh, my question was really about the research that mister
Patterson and your father did, and even yourself and your
father did, if you had any interesting stories pertaining to that,
even you know it's just you and your father, cause
I know your father and yourself went out some researching yourself,
and if you had any any interesting s uh stories.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
To tell about that, well, uh, yeah, there's s some
thing's happened, cause we spent time in the Mount Saint
Helens area and we found what we felt was a track,
although it was not clear and distinct. It was more

(56:26):
the way it was located on a hillside and the
fact that there was no other animal tracks, no elk
or deer track leading up to it or leading away
from it. But I think the most interesting story when
I was out with my dad is and this was

(56:49):
in the Yakama County west of Yakima. We love to
go camping out there, uh almost every summer for at
least two weeks every summer, and UH one time when
we were out hiking, we heard a whistle, so my
dad stopped us, uh and he whistled back. Pretty soon

(57:15):
we heard the whistle again, and so my dad whistled back.
And this kept going back and forth, and my dad decided,
let's move a little closer to where we hear this
whistle coming from. So we just started moving closer. Each
time he would whistle and it would whistle back, we
would move a little closer. And I don't remember how

(57:39):
much time we spent, but as you can imagine, we
were getting pretty excited. You know. He was staying calm.
I was kind of excited. What are we gonna run
into if we keep going? And the odd thing was,
we reached a point where the whistle was coming from

(57:59):
behind us after we had moved to where we last
heard it in that direction. So we moved back and
didn't move back quite as far as we had moved forward,
and we heard the whistle again, and it was right
above our heads. And we look up and here in

(58:23):
the crotch of a tree was another tree crotch that
had broken off and fallen into the crotch of the tree.
So you got like these two y shaped large branches
that are together. And what was causing the whistle was

(58:47):
every time the wind would blow, it would move a
little bit and it would cause the branch to whistle. Now,
I thought that was a good example of not losing
your head checking out what it was you heard. It
was a definite whistle, and it sounded just like any
person whistling. My dad had a very distinct loud whistle

(59:10):
and could whistle back, you know, And you check things
out and you find out what the source is, and
in that case, we found a natural cause.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I guess you would call it exactly. That's a great story. Oh, okay,
it is. It's after a little after ten o'clock Eastern,
nine o'clock Central, and again you're listening to the Sasquatch experience.
The phone number tonight is three four seven nine nine

(59:41):
six five eight one four. If anybody else wants to
call in and maybe share a story, maybe those those
of you who knew Roger Patterson or knows somebody who
knows somebody and things like that. So if you want
to call in, uh, we'd be glad to hear from you. Okay,
And one thing I wanted to touch on was referring

(01:00:09):
to referring to Patterson. It was alleged, it was alleged
that that he was that he was doing this film,
he was doing this film to provide for his family

(01:00:31):
after he died, you know. But the thing is I
found out that he was not. See he was allegedly
doing hoaxing as early as nineteen sixty one, according to
Harvey Anderson, who was a who was a camera shop
owner in Yakima, and he said, I'm going I'm doing

(01:00:53):
this to provide for my family until you know, you know,
after I'm gone, because I'm supposed to be dying. Follow
me is that was nineteen sixty one. He was not
diagnosed with Hodgkins disease till nineteen sixty five. So therefore,
there is no way that he could have been providing

(01:01:14):
for his family and hoaxing in nineteen sixty one. What
are your thoughts on that, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Yeah, I think I think again, you've kind of hit
the nail on the head and say that I know
that Roger saw some tough times. What a lot of
people don't realize is that he was very well poor.
You know, there's there's no other way to put it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
There is money in it, hardon, There isn't a lot
of money in sasquatch research. It's not like this Yang.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
There isn't it. And while I don't believe he was
in it for the money, I think he may have hoped,
like a lot of researchers, that if they are able
to bring clear evidence forward, that there will be some

(01:02:08):
kind of reward in it for them. I know that
he was during the time that I knew him. You know,
he was concerned for his family, but that was not
the motivation for his research, because he poured more money

(01:02:29):
into his research than he did in trying to find
other ways to you know, find support for his family.

Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
So both, oh go ahead, John and Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
It would have been I think, you know, an how
do you put that? Counterproductive? For him to to seriously
think that he could make large amounts of money from this,
And I do not remember anything about barrels of money
after got his film. But you know, I think any

(01:03:13):
serious researcher probably does hold a little bit of hope
that you know, they will be taken seriously and that
there'll be some kind of rewarding it for them should
they find proof.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Mm hmm, exactly, Folks, We've got a caller from the
nine to one eight area code nine one eight. You
are on the air with the Sasquatch Experience. Henry May,
James Baker, John Cartwright and Washington and also known as Mike.

Speaker 8 (01:03:42):
Good Evening, Henry, Steve Summer. Hey Bob, how are you
doing to not great show?

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Just fine?

Speaker 8 (01:03:50):
Mike's notice to have you back. Joyed your show several
weeks ago, thought you did a wonderful job. We have.
We had an discussion earlier dece evening about no kill
in that aspect of Sasquadfrey, and I was just curious
what the prevailing sentiments in your neck of the woods

(01:04:11):
would be. What amongst folks is how they feel about
whether he's whether we should be hunting these creatures or
whether we should be respectful and protective of them. And
I'll get off the air Hendry and lets you'll discuss that.
But once again, thanks Mike for coming back, and you
guys are doing a great job.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Thanks for calling in. Bub got a problem?

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
Yeah, thank you. I appreciate the call. Well, I fall
in the same area as and probably very much because
I was influenced by Roger of the no kill camp.
There's always, you know, like everybody talks about the better
possibility that it will be struck by a logging truck

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one day or something like that, and and that it
probably will take a body to convince science. I hope not.
I really hope that it could be discovered and revealed,
just like the billy ape was through observation, where none

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of the billy apes were were killed in order to
prove their existence. So that's my hope.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Mm hmm. I'd have to completely agree with that. Now.
One thing, that one thing that I always was interested
in and didn't find out until a few years ago,
was Roger was a bit of an inventor.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
He was a He could have panted to quite a
few of his inventions, you know, like the little clip
on the bread, you know, and also the the hoop
thing that he had, and also he had the idea
for the clip for trees he got I think he
got that from the clip for the bread, right. I

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think it was called the C clip or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Yeah, I forget what he called it, but I saw
his prototype. I guess you would call it. But you
got to remember Roger would probably would have patented several
of those inventions had he had the money to patent.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Them, right exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
You know, he did not have the money to patent them,
but that didn't stop him from trying to come up
with the ideas and find a way to sell them.
That's how he was trying to find, you know, replace
what income he had lost due to the illness. He
was trying to do it. He also invented a well,

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what we would call today a tool tote. Back then,
I don't remember there being such a thing, primarily for
farriers people who shoe horses. Made it, structured it so
that it would have all the tools that they need
with just one handle, and they could pick it up

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and carry it with them from hoof to hoof and
do their horse shoeing. You know, that wasn't in existence then,
but it was an idea that he came up with
that probably wouldn't have been a good selling item. Of course,
we used five gallon buckets with a you know, like
a tool caddy on the side of him now for

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that same purpose. Yeah, he was working on different inventions.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah, yep, and he was also a very very creative person.
He was a very good artist. He built these wagons
completely off from scratch, and he he did quite a
few interesting things during his lifetime. He was I mean,

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he he was an artist. He was he was adventure
I mean, beyond the Bigfoot thing, you know, he he
was also very very talented. It's several in several areas.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Yeah, yeah, he was. I always liked his uh artwork
and the uh you know the fact that he was
continued to uh seek out a way that he could
earn a living, you know, unrelated to the Bigfoot research.
You know, the Bigfoot research was not he did not

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see it as a means of income. That's more or
less he knew, wasn't it an expense? Not uh not
an income? M You know, researchers are still always looking
for financing. Somehow, somebody has to pay their bills, you know.
Uh uh Like I said, the the person that eventually

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discovered the Billy Ape was financed by a university. So
it's not uncommon for a researcher to seek out financing,
and that should not be held against him. I don't
believe if that's what he had done, and he did
seek out financing from various people, not only for the

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bigfoot research, but also for his inventions. More so, he
was looking at going into production and sales because he
knew that patenting cost so much money. M m.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Yeah, we have a question from the chat room from
Bob Con He's asking what did Roger do for work?

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Roger was a retired cowboy rodeo writer. That was his
main income prior to well, first of all, he got
injured writing bulls, and then after his injury he never

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did get back to the capacity of rodeo writer that
he was prior to his injury. So that's what he
did for a living.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Mm hmm. He was also on acrobat he was. He
was very acrobatic. There's some photos that David Murphy has
shown that when he was younger. I mean, he used
to do acrobat acts with his brothers, you know, quite
a bit, and he was quite the acrobat.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Ye know that that I don't recall because he didn't
really talk about himself very much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
M You know, David Murphy looked into it and he
he you know, did some research into it and found
some rare photos of Roger when he was younger. You
know he was a he was he was he was
very acrobatic when he was younger, and that that leads
me to my next question and then referring to the

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broken stirrup there there have there have been those who
have said that the horse fell on Patterson and that
actually what happened was the horse fell on him, which
would have probably crushed his leg. But what happened was actually,
I think what happened because of his acrobatics, he was

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probably able to pull his leg and pull his pull
his foot free before he sustained too much injury, and
that may have been the result of the bent stirrup.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Yeah, my recollection of that was that, you know, most
people think when a horse rears up on you and
then goes over on you, that it's going, uh, straight
up and straight over, But that's very rarely the case.
It's gonna it's gonna go to one side or the other,

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which is what happened with with the horse that Roger
was on. My recollection of him telling the story was that, yes,
it did pin his leg down and he was very
fortunate that it was in the soft sand of the

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creek that had receded, so the creek was much smaller
than it normally would have been, and that his leg
was stuck under there, but he was not injured because
of it, because his leg was basically just you know,
cushioned by the soft sand when he went down on
the side.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Yeah. See, that's always been kind of a bone of contention,
you know, amongst the researchers, and also the fact that
it seemed Mike Gimmlin and Parison's stories were just a
little bit different there. There were so inconsistencies between their
stories as far as recollections of that particular day.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Right, Yeah, And you know, I think that that's not
a real big problem either, because you know, you're going
to have two people see the same thing, they're going
to have a little different story.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Yeah, they're seeing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
It from different perspectives. You know, Bob was actually closer
to the creature than Roger was at at the beginning point,
because he was able to control his horse, stay on
his horse, and ride to a location where he was
closer to it. And of course Bob wanted to pursue

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the creature and Roger was hesitant to do that. So,
you know, to me, if their story's interlocked without any inconsistencies,
that would almost be more of a red flag than
the fact that there are.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Inconsistencies exactly exactly now. I had read that, now this
is something that would preclude the possibility of a hoax.
I read that. You know, it was felt named Mike Cross.
He wrote a book called Big Footage, The History of
Claims for the Sasquatch On Films, and he said that

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it was actually Bob Gimlin's idea to go to that
particular area where they found Patty, that it was not
Patterson's idea. If it had been Patterson's idea, you know,
he might have been leading Gimblin into a into a hoax.
But since it was Gimlin's idea, then that would make
the idea, that would make the idea of a hoax
extremely unlikely, because I don't see Gimblin being a hoaxer.

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I just well not parison neither, you know, I don't
see either one of them being hoaxes hoaxers. But the
thing is, you know, there was a lot both the
contention as to whose idea it was to go to
that particular area in the first place.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
Right, Yeah, that's uh, it's interesting that that that kind
of came up because you know, from from Bob's point
of view, he while he was wanting to pursue and
and investigate, and he admit that's the first time he
had ever seen a track in all of the outdoors

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time that he had spent outdoors. Uh, you know, that
was the first time he had seen a track. Uh,
so he got pretty excited about it. So it only
seemed reasonable in a sense that he would want to
He had more of a curiosity to continue seeking after

(01:15:45):
the creature than Roger did. Of course, he was on
horseback and Roger wasn't, you know. And there was the
concern that they had seen uh other tracks always had
seen a set of three tracks track together. And uh,
since they only saw one creature, I think Roger was

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a little concerned that the others were in the area.
Uh no idea, what would happen?

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
So Uh Also Bob uh Gimlin uh only agreed to
go down there for two weeks, and it was in
the third week that they were there that they got
the the film. So, you know, if they were going
down there to do a hoax, there's just too many

(01:16:35):
things like that that are just incidental.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
What would you call 'em facts. You know, why would
they have spent an extra week when mister Gimlin had
not ag agreed to spend an extra week. He wanted
to get back and get back to work, you know,
like he says, he had bills to pay exactly. But

(01:17:03):
once they started seeing the tracks, it did catch his
interest more, which is why he agreed to stay a
little longer. So, you know, there are just so many
things that it gets frustrating to me. And I think
I mentioned this before, is that a lot of people

(01:17:23):
try to pick their story apart, you know, with a
lot of these intricacies, when the most simple explanation is
the fact that they simply did come across the big
Foot and did catch it on film. Yep, The hopes
stories are more intricate and more convoluted and more unrealistic

(01:17:48):
in my opinion than the simple fact that they simply
did what they did.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
I agree, And we've got another caller from the seven
to seventy four area codes. You were on the air
with the Sasquatch Experience hunt a uh John Hart, Right, Yes, right.

Speaker 6 (01:18:09):
I was on a couple of weeks ago when you
had this subject. I was still curious cause I had
asked the question. There was a uh you had a
guest on a lady who A lady who was on
I don't I forgot her name. She was talking about
the uh experience. Uh. I mentioned to her that uh
years ago in eighty m I think it was nineteen

(01:18:31):
eighty seven, I was working in the mall and they
invited this man to bring uh this exhibit into the
mall and it was fifty cents to go and see
this exhibit. I was working security in the mall at
the time, and you would go and take a look.
Oh that was Janice. Okay, Carter, Yes, there were Janis,

(01:18:54):
and I'm sorry, I just came on. Uh nice to
see you, Janis. But I had mentioned how there was
this uh exhibit they put in the mall. You'd you'd
get to see this creature. And I was very skeptical
of it. But I went up and as I approached
these this it looked like a coffin. It must have
been about eight feet long, it must have been about

(01:19:16):
seven feet wide, and it had a very peach putorating
uh smell to it smelled like uh some kind of
uh you know, foul smell, uh chicken smell when you
wash it. And I kind of choked on it as
I was walking up to see it, and I looked
down and they had this big it looked like a

(01:19:40):
creature a person in ice. Now I studied filmmaking and
I and I knew my father was a graphics artist,
and I can I can tell I can pay attention
to detail. Anyway, it was the this creature that they
had in ice, supposingly had got shot in the eye
when they chased it in in the uh arms, Well,

(01:20:03):
I could I could look at my arm and I
could look at the arm and betreaching ice, And I mean,
it wasn't anything that was that was deeplicated or fake.
It wasn't. It wasn't wax because you could see the
fine hairs and the toes look like they looked like
they were real big. So I said, wow, man, what

(01:20:23):
the heck is that? It looked like they had maybe
just four toes, and the the head was a little
bit distorted because where they said they shot it in
the eye. But anyways, this exhibit was on for about
maybe a few days, and then all of a sudden
they disappeared. So years later, I was in Baltimore, and
I was going through a library and I was just

(01:20:45):
going through the books and I found a a little
brown book and it talked about this iceman and the
book was from London. The story was from London. And
he said there was a man who had gone out
for this Spain and catched it and put it in ice,
and then he kept it in a face still there, yep, yes,

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and I and he kept it in a uh a
shed or something. And then someone stole it. And then
after they stole it, they brought it to the US
and then and then it and then maybe you know
about this story. I don't know, but then it went
around as an exhibit and then uh supposedly it's gone.
I don't know where it is now. But I'll tell
you one thing I don't. I won't forget that. And

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uh I I could this day. I don't think it
was It wasn't fake, that's for sure. Whatever it was,
it was something, Yep, it could have been there. Maybe
it was this distorted person. I don't know, but I
don't think they could allow him to do something like that.
And uh, well, but it was pretty long because it
was about mm I'm about five seven, and uh, there

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was a I it looked like it was about a
good six It could have been about six feet feet long.
Someone says, talking about the Minnesota ice man. Was there
in Minnesota the ice man?

Speaker 9 (01:22:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Yes, then what does that mean? There's two different there's
two different entities. You got the midst of the eye
family and you have this I T debiser offer, which
is that's the one that this gentleman is talking about
on the phone here. Well, this one.

Speaker 6 (01:22:19):
Wasn't Harry like you'd expect to see an animal Harry.
It wasn't Harry.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:22:24):
As a matter of fact, they had I was surprised
they had left.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
Hair on it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
And uh, the hairs were, uh it looked more like
a a man, like a arm of a man, you know.
The hair was like a dark hair. And but the
thing that was distinct, very h very detailed was the
f was the toes. The toes did not look like uh,
regular union toe. It had like it had like it
looked more like four four big thumbs or something like that.

(01:22:53):
You know. Yeah, So I don't know where that is now,
So maybe that's a little little keto what you looking for.
And I'm convinced whatever it is it's it was something.
It said they had a shoot it in the they
shot it in the eye or something. So yeah, yeah,

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I thought i'd share that with you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
But color, thank you very much for telling us about this.
Thank you for calling in welcome.

Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
I wish I could find that book again. I know
it was in Baltimore at Local College, and I don't
know if it's still on the shelf anymore. But again,
I found the book by accident. I was just flipping
through and there it was. There's an old book. Okay, ye, okay,
thank you, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Bye bye, byebye. Well, folks, we got about four more
minutes left in the show, and tell you what, this
has been a great one. And uh, we really enjoyed
having Mic back with us. That's Washingtonian. He's really told
them some really great stories about about Roger Patterson, about

(01:24:05):
the Patison Gimven movie. This is very interesting stuff. I'm
very yeah, this has been great. First of all, I'm
gonna ask if John or James have any final comments,
and then we're going to ask the guests if he
has any final comments. Ahead, James, No, go ahead, ahead,

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it's your turn.

Speaker 8 (01:24:31):
I just wanted to thank Mike for coming and.

Speaker 10 (01:24:34):
How interesting his stories are and how much we really
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
Yep, I agree with that, Thank you, John, and I
appreciate the opportunity to come back.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
It's been good, James.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
The same thing. I really, I really like your story.
And the fact is is that you know, when we
ask you questions, I mean, they're honest answers, and it
gives me, you know, it makes me believe that all
that you've seen is accurate, because that's the biggest thing
that we run into, is that making sure that you know,

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the stories that we we give people is something that
you know, keeps them going in researchers still accurate. And
the things you've told us today and the last time
you're here, I mean, really, there's a lot of stuff
that makes you feel that the research is well worth it,
not that we're just hanging out in the woods. So

(01:25:33):
I want to thank you for coming. And I'm sorry
that sorry John, that you didn't get to talk much.
We might want to have you on again so that
way then we can have some time just for you
or you know, if you have some questions you need
to ask, please, you know, go to my mindspace page
or or send an email to the Sosquatch Experience on

(01:25:55):
what you'd like to cover, because I mean, I kind
of feel that we left you out a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Now I'm trying, James, I had a good time, okay,
and that I want to remind you folks. That's www
dot blog talk righto dot com slash James B. Wilde
And first of all, I want to thank John for
coming on with us tonight. Now, this was great. You know,
it's great to have you on with us. And Mike,
do you have any closing thoughts? And by the way,

(01:26:21):
our guests in the chatroom want to extend their thanks
to you for sharing your stories.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
Well great, I'm thank everybody for listening and for being
here and being in the chat room. And it's been good.
I really enjoyed it. And I do hope that all
of this does get confirmed. It's the only thing that
I can say one of these days soon that we
get confirmation of these things being out there, because there's
too many of us that know that they're out there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
I completely agree. Well, oh gosh, we're about down to
a minute. Well, we want to thank everybody sending in tonight.
Oh the heck was that it was me coughing, Henry.

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
Oh okay, Well, anyway, we.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Want to thank everybody for tuning in tonight, and I
want to thank everybody, you know. We see Eric Autman
has drifted in late. He's been kind of enjoying the
weekend off of his family and we hope he's had
a good weekend, and we want to thank everybody for
tuning in and this was great. Next week, I'm not
sure what's on our plate. Hopefully, Melissa, we'll be back

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and well we'll just continue on, keep on, keeping on.
Might be a little bit of a preview of the
Ohio Bigfoot Conference. So until next week, y'all be good
or be good at it. This has been the Sasquatch experience.