Campfire Stories with co-host Emma: Manifestations, Ghosts, General Spookiness

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Weird. Hello everyone, and welcometo yet another episode of Campfire Stories.

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Here at Scary Stories, we tell, I am one of your hosts,
Christashio, and I am joined onthis Campfire story by one of the other
hosts of this show, but inthe hot seat on this episode, your
friend and mine, Emma. Hello, I am here. Emma Sea is
very good and yeah, Emma bringsthat good energy every episode. A seat
is very hot. I hope.I'm so happy to be here, positively

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ecstatic to be here. Emma.It's been you know, we talk all
the time, obviously you and Ido, but we have not done one
of these in a couple of months, almost a year. I think,
yeah, yeah, it's been aminute before, I h since I've given
my life spiel. Well, Imean, I guess we've done the manifestation
thing. Yeah, which is whichis a decent part of that, like

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adjacency, kind of a little adjacentto what's going on. I would say
that was that's probably a more seriousversion of this. That's fair. So
before we talk about kind of whatyou've been up to, if you have
listened to this show before, youwould have heard Emma on Emma's episodes that

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Emma did on her old show.And so I want to ask you kind
of your show. I know wealways ask, but your show is probably
not, is it. It's doneright? Yeah, you know, we
we were really thinking that it mightpick back up if we ever had something
to share, something to add.But you know, are there seems pretty
done with the process, which isfair. And you know, I'm happy

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with where we left it. Yeah, and you're here here now, and
I'm here now, and that's whatmatters. We poached you away from your
own show and I don't even haveto edit. It's great, honestly,
God, you got the good endof the bargaining. Oh I know,
I show up to talk and leave, Like I get to show up here
myself talk and then leave. It'sawesome. And you never have to hear

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yourself talk again unless you listen tothe episode. So very true. Yeah.
Yeah, I can't tell you howmany hours of my own voice I've
listened to this point. I've becomedull and numb to it. Yeah.
If you ever anybody in the audience, if you hate your own voice,
and like you hear your own voiceand a recording and they're like, no,
I can't sound like that. Like, just start a podcast, you'll

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get to sensitized real quickly. Yeah, you'll forget what you sound like very
quickly, and you'll focus more onjust the sounds that you make. So
yeah, it's I'm glad you're partof this show. I've said that to
you before, but I'll say itin recorded form, so that amy my
goodness. Yeah, mark a notehe said it in recordings, they'll fall
too accountable from now. Just Ifucking hated working with her, But speaking

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of your show, I wanted tokind of transition into what you have been
up to as of late because ittechnically has to do with your show in
a way. Yeah. So mostrecently I spent a little over a week
up in Massachusetts with my prior cohost Arthur, and we did do a

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good couple of fall activities, specificallyobviously, I mean, it's not October
without at least one haunted attraction orspooky activity of sorts. I agree,
But you're a fan of haunted houses, that's the thing is Okay. I
am in between this, Like Idon't get scared easy, but I also

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scare easy. I don't know howto put it. I'm very easy to
startle. I'm the same way.I get it, and like I get
what you're getting at. I'm easyto startle, but I'm hard to scare.
But if you scare me, youreally got Yeah, Like I can
feel unsettled. It's not like Icould walk through something and be completely unbothered.
But it's just like, in orderto go through a haunted house and

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actually be scared by, like,you really have to put yourself in the
mindset of like it being real andlegit, which is hard for me to
do at this point. I feellike that's a big part of it,
is that you have to be ableto like, you know, suspension of
disbelief. Uh, that's fair,and I think that's what a lot of
adults probably struggle with. But yeah, when somebody like sneaks up on me,
I don't scream, I jeb,but I don't scream. It takes

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a lot to get me to scream. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm
the same. Yeah. I meanI kind of have like a hoof like
that's my kind of like if Katestartles me, but yeah, I don't
know. I startle easily, butI don't scare easily. Yeah, So
I honestly I've been wanting to findlike a horror movie that I actually find

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like genuinely scary. I watched agood couple in college that were like creepy,
creepy vibes, a little on thescary side, but nothing that chilled
me. Nothing that like I turnedoff the movie and I struggled falling asleep,
you know. And like in thisseason, like it's not fun if

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you're not scared like at least once, Like you gotta be scared at least
once. I agree with you so. And also it's way more fun to
be scared in a social setting thanalone, Like I yeah, I love
I love the the post fear,you know, like the scream that is
followed by the laughter of friends.I think is is really That's what I

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love about going to like warlike hauntedor uh you know, like the Haunted
hay Rides and the Haunted house andlike all of that is especially like going
with friends or going with you know, your significant other. It's if you
are able to get that reaction,like it's always followed with laughter, like
every single time, because it's sofun and you get those endorphins going,

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like I'm not a thrill seeker likeI emotions. I am a fine ladies
and gentlemen. I will tell younot a I I take dram of me.
I believe you not doubting it.I'm not doubting it at all.
I'm definitely one of those people thatgets motion sick and hates feeling nauseous.

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So I don't, you know,go on those types of like rides,
Like I wish that I could goon a roller coaster and only be a
friend of you know what if it, you know, crashes and we all
die like Final Destination styled. Iwish that was my biggest fear going on
a roller coaster. No, mybiggest fear is if I come off,
how absolutely fucked am I for therest of the day because of how nauseous

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you are? Oh yeah, whenI'm nauseous, everything else shuts. I
mean, you could take some dramamean and go on a roller coaster.
I was in Disney over the summer, which I don't recommend, and I
was kind of forced into it becauseof COVID. I didn't want to go,
and then my family was like,well, we're going to Disney,
and you have to come because we'reall going to be in Florida anyway,
because they're going to your grandma's secondfuneral. I don't feel like explaining that.

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Uh. I told you that Iwent to Disney, though, and
I told you that I caught COVIDbecause of Disney wouldn't recommend the mouse.
The mouse gave it to you.He came up and said yeah and coughed
in my face. Yeah. Great, there was no mass could no mask.
Mickey, Mickey, you got COVID. Now, Like, fuck off,
what is this? I didn't expectto get this kind of treatment at

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the House of the Mouse. Mypoint making bringing up being at Disney is
that they have this new Ratitu Meride, which is really cool. I
didn't know that it would trigger mymotion sickness because it's not a roller coaster,
so it's a it's the way thatthey do it is actually really cool.
It's like a magnetized track under thefloor. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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And uh so you're like sitting inlike uh you know, like one
of those like seat car of thingsthat it's like it looks like a rat
that's like the whole point, andyou wear like glasses and then you're like
put in front of these like threed screens that like make it seem like
you're the size of a rat stumblingthrough this very hectic kitchen. And it

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was really really cool and I lovedhow they did it, and it made
me motion sick, and I becauseit wasn't it was not a difficult ride.
If I closed my eyes and itwas just the feeling of the ride,
I would have been fine. Itwas the movement paired with the visuals.
And I had I wish I said, driven me that morning, I

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would have enjoyed it more. Atone point, I had to close my
eyes because I knew if I keptthem open, I was going to feel
horrible for the rest of the day. So yeah, not a thrill seeker.
I get motions very easy. Ican't read in the car. I
lestai if I'm you know, driving, and then in that case, you
don't want to read in the carif you're driving, I mean, like
I want to read the signs.Yeah, it was like you can read

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what well, Like I have mymy GPS on like the center console,
okay, and like I'll be likescrolling through my my music list, like
what are you reading in the Butliterally it was like a twenty minute car
ride. This past Sunday, Janand I went to celebrate our anniversary.

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Uh, it's our our third year. So we went to like and we
were driving to a nice dinner andhe wanted me to look up the place
and call them, let it,let them know that we were like five
minutes late, just to make surethat they, you know, kept our
table. And in the process ofme just googling this restaurant, I got
sick, Like I felt horrible andI I, oh, no, like

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yeah, So as much as Iwouldn't be a thrill seeker, I my
stomach says, bitch, no,you won't. Yeah, And I and
I hate I mean, everybody likedoesn't love being nauseous, but there,
but I feel like a lot ofpeople tolerate it. You know, think
all the people that you know havehangovers and they puke and it's like it's

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it wasn't fun, but it's done. Like I don't drink because of that
race, but yeah, that's fair. I just so, yeah, you
know, I because I can't getthat thrill, that endorphin rush from like
a ride. I'm trying to findthat through horror, through you know,
these types of attractions. Uh.And eventually I want to start, you

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know, like getting back into likethe scary movie binge. Apparently Smile is
supposed to be good. I've heardfriend of the friend of the podcast frequent
guest mister Josh Bragg apparently knows thewoman who was doing all those those like
random ads where she would just belike, I'm talking about it if he
knows it. Oh, I thinkI just see his post about that he

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randomly works in his office and he'sknown her for like a decade. Oh,
that's that's cool. I've heard that'sabout Smile. Heard good things.
I'll have to let you know ifI wind up, because if I'm going
to see it, I'd like tosee it in theaters. But then again,
when you're seeing it in theaters andthen you hear everybody else and that
also kind of takes you out ofit and just wants to be at home
watching horror. I would I wantto be in in a theater watching it

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because I feel like it gives youthe right vibe. But at the same
time, the people, but thepeople like some sometimes the people suck like
we Yan and I went to watchthis like really shitty horror movie recently called
the invitation, and let me tellyou the leading man squarest head I've ever
seen. That's besides the point I'mtelling a where is the head? I'm

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sorry, give me a moment.I sent a picture. I said,
I'm a picture of this man tomy friend. The other am I making
uh, Emma making approximations about thesquareness of people? On me? This
is not the squarest man you haveever seen. It's very proportional, saying
it square like his cheeks are rightangle. He's he's supposed to be.

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Hey, I I don't understand attractionbecause you know when I'm like looking at
somebody and finding them attract attractive becauseI'm Demi sexual. So I thought,
sorry, you had to clarify Demisexual. Of course, not because I
am. I am secretly Demi Cavado, I secretly have what is it?

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Does Demi Levado have the one thathas sex with ghosts? Or is that
Kesh? Yeah? Yeah, yeahgreat. That's why I want her on
the show. I mean, Iwould love to have Demi on which one
Demi or Kesh either, if I'mhad my choice, if they in a
perfect world, if they were bothemailing us and we could only imagine them
emailing us right if they want toshow, so we can only have one.

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I would pick Demi because she wasmore intrinsic to my childhood with Camp
Rock and like Disney, and she's, in my opinion, more out there,
and she seems more genuine about it. I feel like with Demi is
Demi is clearly up Demi's own ass. Uh. I don't know, Like
Demi just seems very Demi's too serious, and Kesha seems like a lot of

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fun. But I think Kesha Keshabeing fun also could be a problem because
then you verge on like not takingit seriously right, And that's why,
Like I want to pick Demi's brainabout her sex with ghosts. I got
it, I got it, Igot it. I have to How does
that work? Like I want to? I mean, I think we all
know how it works. It's justit's one truly. I think we know

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how it works. I just don'tthink we know how it summon them.
How does it actualize? So oneof the processes through which actualizations between you
and the ghost Like, I don'tknow. I'm not going to call it
sex because that's not what it is. You can't have sex it's non corporeal.
So or can you again, Iguess if you're making some assumption,

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I guess if you're getting stuffed bya ghost of Abraham Lincoln, I guess
I'm did she say Abraham? Please, I'm just getting railed by the ghost
of Millard fillmore like what I havenot to like, not to poke fun
or anything, but like that forme, Like it's not like I'm making
but we draw the line with stuff. It's weird, not even but it's

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not I'm not even laughing at her. I just think the concept is silly,
well like and to say it withthe straight face, be like I
ghosts like, I mean, hey, what if she really do fucking ghost
what if? I mean it's abig what if? But what what what
if? Like go on, onegirl, fucking queen? What ghost pussy?

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Like? I don't ghost dick like, I just I don't under because
because Demi is by or Pan orsomething like that, I'm assuming. So
yeah, so I'm I'm just gonnago on on the limit and why like
this Demi Levana's sexuality before I moveforward on whether or not she fucks male
or female ghosts. She is apparently, according to today dot Com. Back

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in March of twenty twenty one,Demi Labado says she's pan sexual. Okay,
so yeah, so ghosts are coveredunder that. Yeah, or I
guess is there like a term?It's like paras sexual. I think there
is a term, because Kesha alwaysmentions it at the beginning of her show.
She's like, I'm a parasexual.It's like like whatever, like like

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love the Kesha. I'm pressure,No, it's not Kesha at all.
Can I get Can I get itone more time? Parasexual? I don't
know if that's that's not Kasha.Kesha has a very Kasha has a huskier
voice than I do. Like,Kesha's got a great voice. I'm not
going to attempt to imitate the oneand only Kesha, please. That's not
selly. But it's funny you havetwo female artists making similar content, both

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coming at it from the same direction. Right. It's kind of weird,
like not a bad way, butjust like a what's that interesting coincidence?
Yeah? But then it makes youwonder how many other people are getting breamed
by ghosts. I'm just saying weonly know about them because they're celebrities.

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I don't think Demi is saying she'sgetting reamed. I don't have you asked
her? No, I'm saying weneed to get her on the shop.
So Debbie, tell me more aboutgetting reamed in the ask by ghosts?
No? No, The question is, Demi, would you consider your interactions

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with ghosts as quote getting reamed?Emma wants to know getting getting reamed is
not something I ever thought I wouldhear you say, Well, here we
are. This is me on onone cup of caffeine black tea, the
healthiest caffeine I can think of.Can you imagine what Emma would be like
two some see the cook Could youimagine what I'd be like? What I'd

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be like on actual like coffee?Oh my god, No, you would
be You would be trying harder toget hold of keshould ask if she's been
reamed by ghosts? No, Demi'sbeen. Are you getting real? Look?
And the other thing about it is, you know what's funny? I
feel like we're kind of in likea post celebrity like scene, as like,

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because anybody can be a celebrity,that's right, but also like anymore
like celebrities don't have to keep thislike this, like perfect image anymore.
That's true, you know, likethey can be weirdos, like they can
be like, oh, I'm intoghosts and shit. Like remember when Harrison
Ford said in the nineties he wasinto ghosts and Meg Ryan was talking about
how much they love Bigfoot. No, no, that never happened. I

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was I was not even a fetusthroughout most of the nineties, So no,
I don't remember that. Oh sorry, that's fair. But also it
didn't happen because there was this perceptionof people who were like in the industry,
you were like, we're not goingto talk about our personal beliefs in
our personal lives because it will alienateus from people. And then you have

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people saying like, nah, fuckit, I want to be true to
myself, which I appreciate. I'mhere for it. I just you know,
there are better people making better contenton the internet that is exactly what
they're making, that are doing aten times better job, like our friends
over at charm City Paranormal, likeso many other people on YouTube making good

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paranormal and supernatural content that aren't Keshaand Demi Lovado, Like that's the that's
the whole draw is who they arenot not what they're doing and what they're
doing, what they're doing should bethe draw, right, But there is
something delightful about the star of campRock one and two. Talking years later

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about this specifically, there's something sodelightful to me that it just it lights
up my younger self. Like imagine, I just imagine having a conversation with
like fourteen year old Emma. It'slike, you know that you know that
awesome girl that sings. This isreal, this is me. I'm exactly
where I was supposed to be.Yeah, in like a decade, you're

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going to see some really really interestingshit for me getting like getting reamed by
ghosts. This is real, soso sweet, I'm getting ream y'all.
I'm exactly where I'm supposed to bereamed, sitting on the ghost dongs and
the other thing I think about Jonascould never Wow, it's a kid.
I don't remember. I thought itwas all of them at one point.

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Jojo Jo Jo Jojo. There's JoeKevin and another one that Nick, Joe
Nick Joy it was Nick. Maybeit was Nick. Which one's a sexy
one. I don't know. You'reasking the demi sexual because you only like
Demi Levado. Yeah, I'm Demmysexual. The call I can think.
It's all gonna think now when yousay it is Demi Lovato getting reamed by
ghosts, You're welcome a great I'llcould see you on that in a month's

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safe. So what is Demi sexual? So? What are what are some
of the things you did with Arthur? Give me the give me the rundown
of what was going on? Whatkind of spooky stuff do you like to
do? Even you mentioned you dospooky stuff, but like you know what
what it? What is Amma liketo do for spooky seas? I think
we talked about this last year,right sure? I mean, like,
okay, care. I think theway that I love embracing this season specifically,

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like many people, is watching theclassic movies that aren't necessarily scary but
very Halloween. A big one forme is The Scary Godmother Special. Well,
it's a very very near and dearplace to my heart. You are
making a face as if you've neverheard of it, and that is okay.
I will have to share you becauseit's difference is it is so like

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it is very much for kids,but it is so like it's wholesome.
The animation is terrifying, just becauseit's so like until They had a low
budget, but they did incredible thingswith it. I fucking loved that movie
specifically, if you even consider ita movie, it's not even a full
length I'll have to I'm pretty sureit's on YouTube. Scary Godmother, incredible.

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It's that one's iconic to me.It's probably if I had to pick
one to watch every year, itwould be that. And I still I
have to it this year. Ihaven't had a chance to sit down and
watch it to really kick off theseason. But yeah, and that.
I am a fiend for pumpkin carving. Oh I didn't show you the pumpkin
medic card. I'm gonna send youa bit share of the pumpkin that I
car I don't want to say everyyear I carved pumpkins, but I do

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it at least, you know,every other year. I think. I
think the past couple of years I'vedone it consistently. So I carved a
pumpkin over it. Are there's andlet me know when you got it.
Yeah, it's very extra, waybetter than I would be able to do.
It was. I found this gorgeouslike inspiration of this pumpkin carving that
was like these like sprawling ginko leaves, and I was like, I've never

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done a pumpkin engraving before. I'vealways cut, you know, like the
face or whatever. So this wasmy first time doing an engraving. I
wish my pumpkin carving kit was sharper. We did order it for like a
mere nine dollars on Amazon, soI had filled with the orange plastic handles
that slipped off. I actually haveit right here because I've brought it home

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with me instead of living over there, because it's a good guy. It's
actually like pretty nice. Interesting,this this scoop very effective. See,
I'm I'll do you on better.At the pumpkin patch that's like near us,
they were selling something that you puton a on a drill, like
a like a power drill. Yes, I've seen that. I've seen that.

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Yes, I have one of those. That thing that's the that is
the absolute only way I car pumpkinsanymore, because it makes it it takes
like two seconds to get the pumpkinready. So what it is For those
of you that don't know what we'retalking about, it's a long metal rod
that you stick into the end ofyour drill and then you tighten it,
and at the end of the rodis a I guess it looks like like

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a paintster. Yeah, it's it'sessentially like a little metal ball that has
like blades around it, and it'shollow, and you stick it into the
pumpkin and you run it around theoutside and it rips all the goop shit
off the wall and then you justtake the pumpkin, turn upside down and
mostly all of it falls out.And the best thing about it is,

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and you kind of shun this withthe picture that you send of your engraved
pumpkin, you can use it tomake the walls thinner as well. Yeah,
which is like the big reason youwould buy it because what you did,
though you can't see it because thisis an audio not visual medium.
Emma ingrained. Now Emma engraved thepumpkin, but the pumpkins walls are thin,
so it's lit up, which isonly which is only something you get

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if you really tear the walls theinterior. I scraped the shit out of
it. My arm was sore.Yeah, it's worth it, say you
bet, you wish you had thatlittle Honestly, I feel like that kind
of takes half the fun out ofit. Like for me, it's so
nostalgic, just like working for awhile and clearing out and cleaning up a
pumpkin. I don't know, there'ssomething really like a foamy and comforting and

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nostalgic about that for me. Yousay that, but you've never used the
thing. If you use the thing, then you're ready to do the pumpkin
carving part. Okay, So Ithink it's like this if you are only
carving like a pumpkin, like youdon't have like five when you're trying to
do them all, like you're justjust have the one and it's not even
that big, because I mean theone that I got it was only like
it was like a twelve inch diameter. It wasn't like a fifteen sixteen inch

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suit. It was like a medium. It was a medium sized pumpkin.
And but yeah, if you're justdoing the one, I feel like,
yeah, take your time. Ifyou're doing like ten of them, then
yeah, get a tool, becauseyou will your arm will fall off.
Conficiency though, come on, somethingto be said for a vision. Yeah,
but that's like saying, at likeChristmas time, you could buy a

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kit to make your own gingerbread house, or you could just buy a gingerbread
house. I say, as theJew I would say it, I would
say, it's more like, amI gonna make gingerbread from scratch? Am
I gonna buy a like a prebaked thing to put together? I get
It's just like it's just like ait's I mean, I get it.
I actually get where you're coming from. It takes time out of the activity.
So it's like you want to setaside like a couple of hours to

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like do a fun activity, andbut here's instead it's only forty minutes.
Here's the part that I haven't mentionedthough, Like I always pick something very
complicated to carve, so I liketo have more time to carve and less
time to worry about how badly I'mgoing to fuck up the carving because I
know, you know, like Ialways bite off way more than I can
chew with carving pumpkins, which isnot that big of a deal. I

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like a good challenge that I setfor myself. But I mean, I
get it, I get it.There is a nostalgic factor to cleaning out
of pumpkin. And yeah, it'sfunny though, because so Arthur carved one
as well, and it was hisfirst time in a while doing it,
and he wanted to carve ponio fromStudio Jibbli, which is not very scary

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to say the least, but itwas for he wanted to carve it for
a friend who like really loves ponio. And he struggled and he got pretty
far and then he's find of sweptit up and he was like, well,
there's no going back. I can'tsalvage this. I'm gonna throw it
away. I don't want to lookat it anymore. And I was like,
oh, I'm sorry it didn't workout. But I was like,

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well, maybe instead of throwing itout, we could like leave it out
for like something, you know,some wildlife did eat it, so it
has like a purpose, you know. So it was like ten eleven at
night. We it was like itwas a very like rainy evening, so
the rain had stopped with like everythingwas like gross and wete outside and cold

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and damp. So I put onyou know, my Croc brand slides and
I'm wearing basically pajamas and like aa sweatshirt thrown on top, and we
go outside and we have to walkall the way because it's an apartment complex,
so he has a perk behind hishouse, so we have to go
like all the way to the park. So we're just walking at like eleven,

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I pulding this pumpkin. And thenthe whole time we're like where should
we put it? Where should weput it? And I said, I
want to put it in the centerof the baseball field, so that way
we could see it from your window. And he goes, okay. So
I walked through all of this wetgrass, getting get my feet all the
way, get it like a fuckingdirt ship. I'm just like, no,

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I have a mission, and soI put the pumpkin down. I
took a picture to commemorate the pumpkin. I'll just hold that up for you,
just sitting there. It's just sittingthere in the center of this field.
And the next day it was gonewithout a trace, of course,

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but we saw people were like working, like doing like some roadwork or something,
and we just knew, we justknew somebody had the audacity to take
it and throw it away, andthat broke my heart. They couldn't let
the deer eat it. They couldn'tlet the squirrels neibble. They couldn't they
couldn't just let me have that Iwanted. This would have taken and smashed

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it. I don't care if this. Yeah, they could have smashed it
as well as they left it outfor like, the whole point is that
we were giving back to the wilderness. It was an offering, don't watch
your pumpkin, I don't want yourI was so disappointed when I woke up
that next morning and it was notthere. I was hoping that I would
see it like, you know,partially eaten, or like maybe I would

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see some animals around it, likesome birds around and that would have made
me so happy, and this fuckingapartment complex stole all of the joy.
That more than anything, I likepumpkin carving, though I'm a fan of
that, I do. My momrequested that I carve a pumpkin that's actually
scary and not pretty or like atleast like has a scary face. She

(29:33):
was like, can you just doone that's like scarier? And I'm like,
are you paying for it? Andshe goes yeah, I'm like,
all right, cool, I'll kindof scary your pumpkin for you, sure,
Jesus. I think it's one ofthose things where I always, like
I said, I always kind ofbite off more than I can chew.
And then it gets to the pointwhere you reach that moment where Arthur clearly
understands now the point of you caneither keep going and hope you don't fuck

(29:56):
it up, or like you're justgonna need to stop because like you could
fuck it up, and if youfuck it up, you're gonna want to
throw it away. Why didn't Arthurjust turn the pumpkin around? It wasn't
like carbonable on the other side,I asked, why why not, like,
oh, yeah, like you haveall the space crick is to get
a pumpkin with both sides carved otherwise, I mean that's always like, that's

(30:18):
always your one fail safe. It'sjust jam the pieces back in and try
on the other side. Nobody.He was also just like frustrated and done
just over the recess. Yeah,which is valid and understandable. I stayed
carving for like another like half hour, just like fucking with it. I
get it. I like a goodpumpkin carving, I really do. I

(30:38):
do too. It was really fun, and I'm glad because I get to
do it again. But on mymom's wallet, So that's fun. Five
dollar pumpkin, Emma, my cYeah, they had at the grocery store
here a pumpkin so big it tookup a cart and it was five dollars.
It wasn't five dollars, her talent. All pumpkins are five dollars.

(31:02):
And the guy who returned us ourbag, like, he ran the bag
out of the store because we forgotit the cash register. He was like,
I'm pretty sure that pumpkin's five bucks. And I was like, well,
if all pumpkins are five dollars,then it was tandres and this one
is, dude, do you wantto buy it? And I was like
no. It was like a fiftyfucking down pumpkin. I mean, it
was so bish. What the fuckam I gonna do with it other than

(31:23):
fit? Oh fucking oh, it'sso big. He just needed a couple
of candles. Look, it's likeit's like anything else. It got to
the it got so big. No, you don't understand, Like, it
wasn't like a big ass pumpkin.It was like a big ass pumpkin,
like h like you know what Imean. It was like squat boy pumpkin,
Like a big, old, fat, squat pumpkin that was just like

(31:45):
sitting in a car. If ithad been like comically large pumpkin, you
know, for a fat guy wouldhave bought it. Okay, Well you
didn't give me the visual. That'sfair. I guess I should have described
it was a big pumpkin, butnot in the way that's fun or exciting.
It's a big pumpkin in the it'sa big alternative pumpkin. It was.

(32:06):
Yeah, it was big, andit was like big in the way
where you'd want to like put itin front of your house and maybe have
your two year old kids sit ontop of it to take pictures. Oh,
isn't that pumpkins? I mean,yeah, sure, but yeah,
with all of your children, right, with your ten your Mormon family,
with your ten kids all dressed upin like ging costumes, with the giant
five dollars pumpkin you got from thegrocery store, you'll be able to feed

(32:28):
your family with when you're done takingpictures. Yeah, that one. No,
I'm but the guy was so gungholl about it. He's like,
you should buy it, and Iwas like, no, no, maybe,
I mean maybe. I mean mywife was kind of on board with
the It was like we should buyit, and I was like, to
do what with it? Where arewe going to put it? What are
we going to do? Carv it? Yeah, I mean again, if
it were a carbable pumpkin, Iwould totally carve it. But it's just

(32:51):
one of those pumpkins where if youwere to buy it, you wouldn't be
buying it to carbon anyways, youknow what I mean. Like if it
were the same size, if itwere the right size, it would You'll
be like you could do a youcan maybe do the kind of design you
did where it's a design that wrapsaround, but like if you wanted to
do anything kind of more tangular.That's the thing about pumpkin carving. It's
kind of it's like a skill.It's a skill in an art because like,

(33:13):
finding the right pumpkin is like onhalf of the battle. I agree,
I do agree. Patches near you? Is that a thing? Oh?
Of course, I'm in the middleof nowhere. Anything. Do you
go to the pub patch? SoArthur and I did actually go to a
local farm picked apples. Oh,nice. So that's when we did up

(33:36):
in Massachusetts. But there's a placevery nearby that actually has a festival going
on right now, like a minifestival. They have two or three carnival
rides and like a petting zoo anda and a corn maze. Kind of
did you pick? We picked primarilygold and delicious. No, No,
it was a honey cris so Ireally picked honey. Chris picked a couple
of Courtlands to make a pie with, and I think we grabbed a couple

(34:00):
of gala but those weren't as goodwith the honey crys. The honey crystal
were best. Trying to think theones that we got, I don't think
they had any of those here,but I think it's obvious it's a different
climate here. We picked Jonah Goldsand something else. It's like another name,
but it's like a very small redapple, and I like didn't want
to do anything with them other thaneat them. It might have been a

(34:22):
Courtland, it might be are theylike this big? Like they're very small?
Right? Yeah, that's probably whatit is. Maybe, but you
know what the best apple is?What Chris, it's false false. If
you think that's false, it's it'sfalse because sour hurts my mouth. Okay,
okay, I mean that's fair.The only reason I like Granny Smith
is because they're ours. You don'tlike sour, yeah, then Granny Smith

(34:45):
is going to be like a bigno yeah, I only okay, okay.
You eat those red ones that everybodyhates delicious. You know there's no
no that that is a fucking lotperpetrated by Big Apple to try there's a
sweet what they're sweet and they're crisp. That's all I wanted. An apple

(35:06):
red Delicious is neither red. Wellit is red, and it's not delicious.
So neither red. Oh it isnot delicious. It's it's when I
think of an apple, that's theapple I think of. And that's why
I didn't like apples for the longesttime, is that was the only kind
of apple I was ever given inany context. I if I bite into
a Granny Smith, it will burnmy tongue. That is how sensitive I

(35:30):
am to sour. You know,those little mini like tangerines ceuties. I
wanted to branch out with my withmy fruit, I don't because I'm very
hyper sensitive to sour. I oftendon't branch out a lot with when it
comes to fruit. So somebody toldme like, oh, but you should
try cuties. They're really sweet,and I was like, okay, sure,

(35:52):
So I grab one and I biteinto it, like all the cells
like burst, hurt. It waspainful, sounds so miserable. All the
cell ME burst out because all thecells burst. So now if you can't

(36:14):
me acutie, the way that Iwill eat it is thus I nibble at
it like a woodland creature because ifI bite into it, it's too much
all at once and it hurts,like I can't. I feel like such
a baby when it comes to sour. I was, you know what,
I'm just built different. Emma justgoes around being adorable all the time,

(36:36):
like eating food like a woodland animal. I'm not. You guys like,
yeah, we know. Thanks thisother lesson lest in any my I got
it. Neat squirml ship Are youtrying at this part or is this just

(36:57):
like is this a weird I wastrying to give a visual for lovely woo.
But I literally eat it like twohands and I nibble at it because
you know, I eat your orange. You know that that with like the
Southern that Southern twang that you justadded. There was very God that did

(37:19):
that, that did something. GodGod ooh wook God that nobody has said
that on this podcast upen to thisfushing point. Oh it was gonna be
me o woo. Yeah, okay, I mean I get I get it.
What is your favorite kind of apphonestly, like, the most consistent
apple that I will use is soresolicious, amuse they are chris and sweet.

(37:45):
That's it. No, they don'twait, do you seriously don't think
that they're sweet? I think forme, the sweetness of an apple is
not the thing I look for inthe apple that We're on too completely different
playing field, and it's horrible tocompare. But I think we can call
you and me. We are notthe same, and we are not I

(38:07):
am still let's just speak and memetalk only. I eat Graandy Smith because
I like sour apples. You eatRed Delicious because you like them sweet.
We are not the same. Weare not the same. But I think
we could both agree that Macintosh suck. I've never had one. They are
Red Delicious suck. Do you understand? No, hear me out, hear

(38:28):
me out. Macintosh are squishy andgrainy. That doesn't sound pleasant. It's
not that I've never had one.Well, then you better fucking try to
get mad. Don't get one now. I just feel like you think about
like when you think about Apple,like like apples and jet, like the
Macintosh is the name of an Applecomputer. Like, they don't have the

(38:51):
red Delicious computer. They don't havea Granny Smith computer. They're the Macintosh
Apple computer. And it's just it'sbecause they're not going to copyright the word
red delicious. They can copyright Macintosh. I guess. I just I don't
know. I feel like maybe it'sbecause they didn't want to name it after
an Apple. That's not good.I mean, because it's true given what
they named it afterways, I waslike, wait, I was trying to

(39:14):
give you a hard time about redDelicious, but pan out I get.
I mean, I don't, Idon't know delicious are good? I mean,
yeah, I don't. You don'thave to like them. I just
don't understand how. I just it'sso one note. Yeah, so one
note. It's the one note thatI like. That's fair. I mean,
if it's gonna I mean, hey, if this instrumentally plays one note
and better play it really well,sook. So I I am a red

(39:37):
delicious enjoyer, but I have toemit honey crisp. They do slap when
I bake a pie. I tendto gravitate towards sweeter apples, and then
everyone gets mad at me because Idon't use Grady Smith the best. That's
the best thing to make anything withGray Smith? What are you doing?
I prefer Gala apples, so mostlike in terms of baking, I prefer,

(40:00):
But in order to appease people,I do like half Gala half Granny
Smith, so at least it likebalances it a little bit more. You
can also mix some motchoppols in yourpie. I make a mean fudd pie.
My pies are gorgeous. I shouldmake a pie and send it to
you in the man. I'll comeover and be ran sid oh. Yeah,
and you know what. I likepie, But I think I like

(40:22):
crumble more and like cobbler more.And I think it's only because what I
really want is just like a bigbowl of fruit cooked essentially to almost like
cumpoth consistence, compod consistency with somethinglike kind of crunchy on that has maybe
a saltiness too. And then someice cream, like that's what I want.

(40:42):
And like, I know this isgoing to sound terrible, but like
I have, I feel like makinga pie is a lot of work for
essentially the same thing that making anine x thirteen crumble gets done in the
same amount of time. But thelook at this bot, I know,
but the crust doesn't do anything forme personally because I like the thrumbles topping.
Look at that gorgeous time I madethat. I mean it looks great.

(41:06):
I'm not I mean that's I wouldeat shit. I would eat the
shit out of that pie. Yeah, you better. But the thing is
like for me at the end ofthe day, it's gonna be kind of
because the pie is not gonna holdits shape on the plate. Like it's
just not when you get it outof there put it on a plate,
it's essentially just a crumble with nono no, no, no no no.
Oh. Okay. If your pieis falling apart, I don't want

(41:29):
to say that that makes it abad pie because it doesn't because at the
end of the day, what mattersmost is the taste. But not all
pies do fall apart. If youhave a thick enough well baked crust.
Just I'm talking about the filling.The filling will stay. The filling is
how can the filling stay when it'sjust a bunch of apples put together?
Because because the filling is thin?Okay, yeah, separate it was two

(41:53):
or three c's. Yeah, Iwould say at least Okay, Apparently I
haven't had the best apple pies inthe world by you, which I need
to erectify that. So send meone of them, randsoid. I'm just
saying I don't think it would lastfourteen there. I mean they send pies,
don't do? Are not duff thatpie, pie pie whatever, pie

(42:15):
people pie pie, Pi Pi pie, this American pie. I don't know
that there's a pickle on gold belly. You can find all sorts of bullshit
you can buy for very if youknow what gold belly is, right,
I don't gold. So get this. So let's say New Jersey, right
or New York. New York hasgreat pizza, right, People love New
York sole pizza. There are restaurantsin New York that sell New York sou

(42:36):
pizza. To live borrow so barrownot sub borrow s borrow barrow. That
said, the mall, hey,I'm just saying, fine, we're trying
about good pizza. I don't know. It was the first one I thought
of. It was either bad orjust coming up with a random Italian man's
name and putting up just Sepie's pizza, yeah, and then making it possessive.

(43:00):
Yeah, Joe's Pizza. That ispizza. I mean the Jacamo's pizza.
I don't know. But but allof that aside go. What gold
Belly does is say there's, youknow, Joe's Pizza, well known pizza
place in New York featured in theSpider Man movie. You could order through

(43:22):
gold Belly pizza from Joe's Pizza Rhaand they'll send it to you for a
nominal feet and gold Belly arranges allthis. Yeah, but it's not going
to be good. Well, it'slike it's it's so well, it's what's
funny is so like no, no, it's like a no no, hold
hold on a second. Di's apoint you have to understand, Like,
to get it to you is almostas expensive as the thing that you're buying,

(43:44):
because they over more. They overnightit to you, yeah, which
is like crazy expensive. And hearme, then they're gonna put dry ice
and everything else. Like yeah,like I don't, I don't imagine it
would be good. Yeah, Isay, Chris, I bought a pizza.
I'm gonna drive to your house andget you this pizza. I'll be
there in fourteen hours. Do youreally want that pizza? Okay? If

(44:06):
the pizza is not baked and Ibake it at home, don't care.
Okay, But but but that's allwhat you said. But but they do
sell baked and unbaked pizzas to yourOh we will find then, but listen
here. But the point is,your point is a different one. If
someone sends me an uncooked pizza that'sfrozen and I bake it, it's still

(44:28):
not going to be as good aswhen they bake it because most of these
places have like ninety thousand degree ovensor whatever the fuck it is where they
can stick the pizza in for ninetyseconds and it's done. My stupid ass
has to go and preheat my conventionalfucking oven to do. But it's a
different issue, like why would youspend one hundred and fifty dollars if piza
delivered to your house from New YorkCity when you know it's not gonna be
that good anyway. So long storyshort, I will make you a pie

(44:51):
and I will cook it and Iwill do everything, and then i'll send
it to you and it'll come andit'll be sad. Yeah, this sad
pie. But you can buy pieon gold Belly. That was the whole
point of that. You can buypies from pie. What very famous people
who make pies are on gold Bellyselling their super one hundred dollars apple pies

(45:12):
or whatever insane shit that they're tryingto pull. Incredible. It's it's that
expensive. I mean, we're talkingabout like well known regional brands selling their
expensive stuff, and it's like,I don't want to buy your five hundred
dollars brisket or rid of the fuckingI mean, it's you know what I
mean, Like when you're done andyou want to order like a meal for

(45:34):
a bunch of people and then shipit, it's like, I can't imagine
it's going to be less than likeexorbitant. Yeah, you've met two hundred
and fifty dollars. Now you getfree shipping, Like Jesus, I still
mighty that ship at that point,Just make yourself a pie right, yeah,
I buy yourself a brisket. Right. Don't go to your local pizza
store, you know, I likeone of those. They have pizza,

(46:00):
please one pizza Storey? Are youbuying clothes at the pizza store? So
that meme? You don't know thatmeme? Dan? Never mind? Over
your head, right over your head. It's fine. Somebody listening will will
validate me, not me even onetime, one time out of the few

(46:22):
that it's not me on this showbecause normally I'm up with what the kids
are talking about these days. Younever heard of the I'm buying clothes at
the soup store beam? Nope,all right, I'll send that to you
later. I'm an old man.I'm sorry I missed out on how hip
you? I forgot how hip youkids? Are? You? Hepcats?
Excuse me? What did you justcall me? Is that a termt I

(46:46):
literally have never heard that before,A GP like you're pretty hip man at
the Titus. No, I don'tthink so. I'm just showing that I
am not an old man. Ipromise. Did you just call me a
hepatitis riddled cat? So? Didyou see a lot of hepcats when you

(47:06):
were up and up visiting on NoI had but incredible segue, right,
you on a tour while you werethere? Better? But uh yeah,
so we baked a pie because wewent apple picking and that was really lovely,
which I think is also just likea great way to get into the
fall mood, especially like in thistransitional period of like I really do miss

(47:30):
summer already, even though we don'tmiss this sweating, but it's just it's
so gorgeous every every day it's likeit's big, like rainstorms or it's like
gorgeous sunny day and like just greenass trees and I love it. I
love it, and like now I'mstarting to see it obviously, Like don't
get me wrong, trees you knowchanging color this season is beautiful, but

(47:51):
it doesn't give me the same serotonin. It It's hard for me to transition
to fall because it's just like Iknow winter is next, and I don't
like winter because it's cold and everything'sdead. Yeah, I mean, my
seasonal effective disorder loves to rear itsyearly annual head around that time. So
doing you know, fall rituals helpsme get you know, more prepared for

(48:15):
the colder seasons and more excited aboutit, so, yeah, you know,
pumpkin carving, apple picking, thoseare the big ones. But basically
after all that, the last thingthat we did over that weekend is we
went to a place called the Witch'sWhat's so it's you know, it's similar
to like if you have like alocal haunted house or a local you know,

(48:36):
haunted hay ride. They had fourhaunted attractions in this place like as
a whole, which was I feellike a lot of places are doing that
now. When I was growing up, we only had a haunted hay ride
locally, so that was like myonly like haunted attraction experience was just sitting
on a hay bail while actors comeand scream in your face and like try

(49:00):
to chase you with chainsaws without theblades on them. Did you you know
that? Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, I mean I like you like,
do you know about this? Youknow, you know chan saws don't have
blades. Still scary though, stillmake a fucking great noise, I mean,
hey do, but they're not themoment that you're like, but there's
nothing on, it's not that scary. Like again, it's it's the suspension

(49:22):
of disbelief. It's safe scary.You don't actually want to be chased by
someone with a chainsaw anywhere than I. No, But like, at that
point, why the chance saw?Like what does it really do other than
make loud sound, make loud soundand disorient you? I guess I don't
know. Are you calling into questionthe viability of using a chainsaw on haunted

(49:43):
houses? Just say I feel likeat that point it's obvious that it cannot
hurt you, obvious, But Ifeel like Emma once on a house that
can hurt you. I know.No, I have heard about the one
you have to like there's like awaiver that you have to sign, a
sign your life. There's like thisone that's like I forgot about man,

(50:07):
maybe the one where you like theyfucking waterboard you. Yes, yes,
yes they or they make you eatyour own vomit, Like yeah, yeah,
I don't want that. No,I don't want house though. That's
like just a sort of like weirdCIA torture adjacent thing. Yeah, it's
it's a place where masochists go totest their limits or some shit or some

(50:28):
weird I goes to essentially all aliveor something. Yeah, or well,
like I'm talking about the guy wholike runs it. Like I feel like
he's just like jerky to all that. Oh yeah, it's like weird sexual
like oh some sort of weird sexualgratification that like, thank god, this
guy isn't killing those people, He'sjust like torturing them because they want to
be tortured. Yeh. Like Iknow that some people do something you know,

(50:52):
similar to that, like if they'revery depressed and they want like to
love life again, to like valuebeing alive, and like that's that's one
way. That's very uh, it'svery soft. That's me again. Like
I think with those like extreme attractions, I think it always comes down to
in my mind, like are thepeople who are there signing off on it?

(51:14):
Is it being operated in a safebut intense way? Pretty sure?
It's not all that's safe, right, I Mean that's the problem. It's
not all that safe because how safecan this stuff and ultimately really be.
But my point is like if everybodyis on the same page, I got
no problem, but it needs toall be above board. Like if people
want to have the piss scared outof them, be my guess Like that's

(51:35):
I'm not gonna tell someone not todo that because then if they don't do
it in a safe and controlled way, they're kind to do it some other
way, and that other way maynot be safe and controlled or even legal
for that matter. I guess forme, when it comes to scares,
there's like the psychological and the andthe physical. Right to me, like
I would split it into like thosetwo main categories. There's like the the

(51:57):
slash fick, the you know,bloody chainsaw massacre, like there's that,
you know, and then there's likethe asylum you know, uh, psychological
horror. You know, stuff thatjust like eats your way, like eats
its way into your brain. Andif I had to choose psychological horror all
the way, I much prefer thatslow build up of a general unsettling that

(52:22):
like it's just either the uncanny valleyof something or just like something feeling off
and that feeling building up to somethinglike that. To me, when it's
done well, that is the best. I don't It's not that I don't
think that, you know, thrillersare scary. I just don't think it's

(52:43):
the same type of scare. Itdoesn't do it doesn't do it for me.
When I'm gonna if I'm gonna sitdown and watch like a scary movie,
there needs to be like a paranormalor otherworldly aspect to it of some
sort, Like there has to belike a curse, there has to be
a ghost, there has to beyou know, uh uh, psychosis,
like there has there has to bethat if it's just like I am a

(53:07):
guy in the wood it said I'mkilling teenagers, Like I don't know.
That doesn't it doesn't do anything forme? Do you agree? I mean,
I think it depends on what Iwant. I mean, I think
it's I don't think it has tobe as binary as like one or the
other. But again, I thinkI also have probably watched more horror movies
than you have, which I definitelywhich I think also, like I think

(53:27):
at this point, I think we'realso you and I are looking for different
things in horror movies, Like Idon't watch them anymore to be scared because
like I don't think like they're they'renot they're they're neck and they're not gonna
scare me. Does that make sense? Like that's that's just why I am
on the hunt for one that will, right. But what's the point of
even making the genre anymore? Becauseit's not about it's not about it's it's
not about being scary. It's aboutcreating a sense of dread or tension in

(53:52):
the audience punctuated by scares, ifthat's what the director wants. Like the
idea that like a movie needs tobe scary for it to be a horror
movie, I think is kind ofa manufactured idea as opposed to the intention
of the genre has always been to, I think, confront problematic and tough
topics in a way that can beentertaining. That's one aspective horror that I

(54:15):
think kind of gets overlooked. Butanother one is just like providing violent,
gory entertainment as a counterpoint to allthe stuff that isn't that, and people
want to see that in a controlledand safe way, right, I suppose,
But I get the argument of,like things are not scary, I
don't want to watch it. Atthe same time, can horror movies really

(54:37):
be that scary when we exist ina reality that has not all these other
terrible like real life terrible things likeSaw and all of those movies were a
response to nine to eleven. Becauseit's like, well, if people are
seeing this on TV, like Iguess we can really push the envelope in
horror movies. So that's why youhave people lopping their arms and legs and
shit off just willy nilly. Becauseagain, if watching people get blown up

(55:00):
in a sized skyscraper on national television, like, all bets are kind of
off for the for people's sensitization ofthings. But I get like the I
get the kind of like I wantto find something that actually scares me.
But yeah, like I said,you know that controlled Russian endorphins and that
it's and it's fun to be scared. I but like, so okay,

(55:23):
okay, real on it. Backin so, there was four haunted attractions
at this place. So it wasa haunted hay ride, a walk through
like uh like a cemetery type walkthrough, a haunted house, and then
like a clown seemed to also sortof haunted house with different It was interesting.

(55:44):
So first thing we did was justlike the haunted house, which was
very like makeshift. It wasn't likeit wasn't it didn't like take place in
an actual like building building. Youcould tell that it was you know a
bunch of just corridors. You know, I don't even think it was a
ceiling flywood. Yeah, I don'teven think there was a ceiling. I

(56:04):
think it was just like exits properlymarked because the horror story in that house
may have had nothing to do withthe people's gary. It was very literal.
It was a very linear walkthrough.Yeah, some of these haunted houses.
Like that's my actual concern. Isit like a fire or something started
in some of these places, LikeI don't know how people out. That's
fair. Exit strategy is go inone direction until you are no longer in

(56:25):
the thing. Yeah, well whenyou're in some of these houses are pretty
long and ornate and complex and like, I don't know, like that's this
was not this was not that though. It was very much like the All
of the actors are like theater kidsfrom the local high school, like which
they did a good job. Butbasically, yeah, so we it was

(56:46):
me, Arthur and Arthur's little brotherwho's fifteen and he's he really wanted to
go. We had to we allhad to sign waivers. Oh that's the
best part. I forgot to mention. We all had to sign waivers and
one of the things on the waiversaid risk of death, and it just
made me wonder why why did theyhave to put that because somebody try I

(57:08):
had a heart attack, or they'reworried about somebody having a heart attack.
I guess uh. It was aninteresting waiver to read through. I usually
don't really care to read those,but that when I felt drawn to it,
well, and I think, youknow, you mentioned like looking for
something that's scary, Like for me, horror movies don't do it. It's
this kind of stuff like going toa hanted house is what scares me.

(57:30):
If I actually want to have ahorror movie esque experience that will scare me,
I go to a haunted house becauseit tries to replicate horror movies.
Honestly, that's what most of thesehaunted houses are aping from our horror horror
conventions horror tropes. A lot ofthem have, oh, a cemetery thing
and the dracula thing and a clownthing, like it's always kind of always

(57:52):
the same things. But like forme, even though I've been to plenty
of haunted houses, seen plenty ofleather face ripoff type things, plenty of
draculas, and all sorts of bullshitand exorcist adjacent style things, if I
want to be scared. That's whereI go because it's the only way to
like set yourself it. Yeah,so I would say that the Haunted House

(58:15):
is probably the scariest out of allof them, although it was not the
thing that actually got a scream outof me. I'll go back to that.
But basically, so this Haunted House, you know, it was basically
like a bunch of like these likesquare, like rectangle rooms and then like
a couple of like tight corridors,and it's obviously designed with a lot of

(58:36):
like blind corners and and that kindof thing, which is which is really
cool. It definitely gets like theanxiety out of the expectation of something going
to happen, which is a reallyfun feeling in a controlled environment, I
suppose. But we had Arthur's littlebrother on the front, which is Arthur's
idea, which is also really funnybecause this this kid, this kid knows

(58:58):
some curse words. That's there's somethingso delightful being an adult and then like
a fifteen year old with just themouth of a sailor. There's something so
delightful about it. It's like theyonly learned curse where it's like a year
or two ago, and they're justlike, they can't say them enough.
It's awesome. I love it soand I feel like enough's just so am

(59:21):
it's so novel. I feel Ifeel like enough is not said about the
order through which people go through ahaunted house and that whole like weird thing
because like if you're in the front, oh yeah, like sometimes the people
in the front are not the onesthat they're getting. And I think the
better scare performers can tell who kindof the who the mark of the group

(59:43):
is, as it were, andwho they can who they can tease and
prod and get the better response atthem. Now, I'm not going to
assume that that was you. Well, okay, so it sounds like it
was Arthur's brother in a little bitof oh yeah, oh my god,
this like I said, well,okay, So we insisted that the Arthur's
little brother was in the front,and Arthur had asked me if I wanted

(01:00:04):
to be in the medal or bein the back, and I was like,
could be the metal I don't reallycare either way. Of course,
I brought up the thing that happenedlast year, which is still probably one
of my favorite Halloween stories to tellthe scariest thing at the and I've told
the story on the podcast before,but the scariest thing that happened at a

(01:00:25):
Haunts of Detraction that I did lastyear. So I was walking around and
there was this one actor who waslike doing the zombie hands except like close
to his close to his chest,so his hands were just like out in
like a grabby motion, and itjust happened to be as he was approaching
me that his hands were at chestheight, and I was more scared of

(01:00:49):
being molested by accident, and soI kept hiding behind my boyfriend on instinct
when this actor would come near,because my brain went, I don't want
him to touch my boobs on accidentor otherwise I don't consent. He was
very like, I think, likehair was in his face too, so
like he couldn't really see that well. And I was just like, this

(01:01:12):
is a recipe for disaster. Butof course because I'm hiding behind my boyfriend,
the actor thinks that, oh,they sound an easy scare, and
I'm like, I don't blame thisperson for thinking that, but just like
I, they were the last theywere the last actor. I wanted to
be the funding that it wasn't scary. It was just like, dude,
kind of a personal space. ButArthur did joke that he would be in

(01:01:35):
the back to protect my butt,so I was like, I'm fine with
being in the middle. So thefor me, the scariest part about this
the Haunted House attraction, was justthe anxiety of like waiting for things to
pop out and like something's got likea little bit of like a like some
of the things were like a decentjump scare like enough for me to like
get a little shutter or a littlejump. But as I said before,

(01:02:00):
it was always book ended with significantlaughter, especially because this little brother was
just going through it. It washonestly so wholesome seeing him like every single
actor scared the shit out of him. It was really funny, and of
course we were so proud of themafterwards. But no, I mean like

(01:02:22):
he had a blast and it wasit was really fun. And so I
don't think I told you this,because I know we called earlier this week,
and I don't remember if I toldyou or somebody else. Did I
tell you about the one really funnyjoke that Okay, no, I did
not, okay, okay, okay, So we're going through this haunted house,
and I guess theme is supposed tobe like there's a cult or something

(01:02:45):
and there's like the spooky like hostor whatever who's just like he basically like
as he was like, he didn'tjump out or anything. He was like
setting up for the next like hegave a spiel I guess for the next
room, and he was like,oh, we weren't expecting guests, but
I but I suppose we'll have aspot for you on the table like something

(01:03:07):
like that. And without missing abeat, I on autopilot. I swear.
I don't know why this is whatcame out of my mouth, but
I just responded to this with,oh, well, well, thank you
for making such accommodations and such shortnotice for us. I really appreciate,
Emma, Emma, it was reallyfine to kind of felt bad for the

(01:03:31):
octor, but I hope we gota kick out of it. When you
left the room, it was probablylike, what the fuck was it was,
groove, Oh well, thank youso much for making accommodations for us
on such short there's such a scaryfucking group of people. I don't understand.
It was really I was honestly thatwas my shining moment. I was
so proud of myself. Okay itwas it was like that quick wit that

(01:03:52):
just like blurted out of my mouththat I feel like I suppressed most days.
I guess my filter was on.I mean, hey, nothing better
better place to lose your filters thana haunted house. That's very true.
That was That was delightful. Butwe make it through, and of course
Arthur's little brother is like trying toshake off the atreat aline because like I

(01:04:13):
said, almost every single actor gota scream or an oh fuck, heures
something. It was awesome. Thenext thing we did was that like cemetery
walk through, it's supposed to belike a vampire asque thing. The scariest
part of that so it was likeall outdoor and you were just like walking
through like a moderately lit you know, the graveyard esque set up on a

(01:04:36):
trail. The scariest part is thatthere was like a bridge, like a
low bridge that you have to walkover, and lined on the sides of
the bridge were like mannequins, likeuh, like vampires or something. They
were obviously like they were all likefake. But the thing is is that
you don't know if one of themis real. And I knew that I

(01:04:57):
didn't know if any of them werereal. So walk on this bridge was
very anxiety inducing because I was waitingfor one of them and none of them
did. It was all lannakins.Either that or this person was very good
at staying hidden, and still theywouldn't have So that was probably the scariest
part of that. One was justthis like anxiety of passing a lot of

(01:05:18):
figures very close to you. LikeI'm talking like this bridge is maybe four
or five feet and you know,uh with wines and just like the it
was lined on both sides, andI was just like, one of these,
one of these has to be aperson, one of them, one
of them is real, I don'tknow which one. And then apparently none
of them were. So I enjoyedthat. That that definitely got my heart

(01:05:41):
rate up. The third thing wedid was this hay ride, which,
let me tell you, uh,this setup of the wagon was really cool.
Instead you know, like how mostof the time it's just like the
when slat a couple of bales ofhay and the railings right this actually there
was that section, but it wasmuch smaller and off on the sides were

(01:06:05):
bench seating, so your let yourlegs are dangling off the side. It
was actually really cool. It waslike almost like, uh, what's bleachers?
Almost like bleachers. It was likeon either side of the wagon.
And I loved that. It feltlike that layer of protection of being like
behind the railing was wasn't there.So we had like a host uh.

(01:06:30):
And she was like, uh,her whole her old, Her whole thing
is that she was like a teacher, like a dark teacher. She had
big, steppy mommy energy, whichArthur and I were joking about almost the
entire time. I forgot what shesaid her first name. Well, that's
like you're saying that like pick meup, pick me up. Oh,

(01:06:53):
but what you said, that's justI'm just I'm just making into a physical
version of what you say. Sheshe hanged, like, uh. The
energy she gave off was the sameas that like nine foot tall vampire lady
that everybody was simping over, LadyDemetresci or whatever. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:07:15):
yeah it had She had that energy, but it was like teacher. So
she was like, I will therewill be a test later and so like
I forgot what she said her firstone I did was not incorrect. Then
yes, the motion that I madeis correct. Okay, but she's like
I said, I forgot her firstname, but she said her last name

(01:07:38):
was like Vandyke, And so Arthurand I look at each other, were
like lesbian. Then she eventually waslike and I uh and my husband and
we both looked at each other.So just the points. But basically it
was really cool that like actors camelike really close to you. Uh.
Some of them had like shovels andthey were like scraping it along like like

(01:08:02):
stone and it was sparking. Andthen like one of them with like a
like a blunted axe or something likewas like trying to like get at somebody
like sitting like next to us.Like it was actually because there was like
some spaces. Everybody was a littlespaced out and like maybe like less than
a foot away. As the wagonis moving, like went to like chop

(01:08:23):
like at the bench, which Ithink was pretty cool. They did it.
They did really well. There wasa guy with the chainsaw that wasn't
it was. I think the coolestpart of that was towards the end there
was like this one girl who waslike, which of you souls can I
whose soul can I steal? Orsomething like that, and so Arthur and

(01:08:45):
I instinctively point to his little brother. But then like this girl hones in
on me. She's like yours andI was like, oh, okay,
sure you can have it if youwant. And then they all started like
chanting some shit, and then thelady teacher Sepu lady started chanting with them,
and I was like, oh,I might not have a soul after
it. That was. That waspretty cool. I actually there was a

(01:09:09):
threatening aura. I appreciated the threateningaura. I do I still I think
I do still have my soul,So I don't think it worked, So
you know. That was the hayRide. Hair Ride was pretty fun.
It was probably the most benign outof all of them because there wasn't a
lot of suspense, like you couldsee the actors coming, but it takes
a lot of the suspense out ofit. But it was effectively creepy and

(01:09:32):
also moderately relaxing, which I don'tthink is what they were going for.
I enjoyed this hay Ride. Itwas a very relaxing. Josh, That's
not what we were going for Iguess if you liked it, nothing we
can do about that. Okay.So the last one was this like clown
seemed thing, so it was itwas it was supposed to be disorienting.

(01:09:54):
So basically they gave you like itwasn't three D glasses, but it was
like adjacent to that. I don'tre red blue glasses. It wasn't.
It wasn't red blue, so itwasn't like three D but it but it
gave a three D effect. Idon't know, so some form of a
three D glasses, which as somebodywho wears glasses and doesn't have context,
it's a little annoying, but Imanaged to make it work. So the

(01:10:16):
way that set up is like allof the walls are black with these like
neon paint like everywhere, and likeso the neon paint is like like coming
off of the walls, were thereare people in suits to match to match,
I'll there shit of yourself. Youthink I'd ever seen this before,

(01:10:40):
well that was actually the first timethat I had seen this, specifically because
I have gone to That's Fair.That's fair. So it was it definitely
was disorienting without making me feel nauseous. Love that love that For me,
there were definitely like some rooms thatwere like a little dissying, but I
didn't get nauseousas uh So again itwas like clown themes. So there were

(01:11:03):
clowns like a corner, and someof them you couldn't tell if it was
just a mannequin because they were standingreally still and it was dark. Again.
Arthur's little brother. I told himactually on the hay ride, I
was like, all right, hearme out. I have a tip for
you. If you're struggling and itgets too scary, and this goes out
for everybody, the best way tonot be scared at these attractions is just

(01:11:28):
treating the actors as real people,which they don't want obviously, because that
takes all the fun out of himon this is ruining all of this.
I'm just saying, Wow, ifyou want to have fun, take away
the fun that everybody else has had. I'm just saying that I know that
that's just a guy in a mask. I'm trying to scare the guy and
the mask, well, it wasreally not a real clown. That's a

(01:11:53):
guy dressed up like a cloud,you guys. The one I told I
told Arthur's little brother this and likeone of the first actors he interacted with,
I forgot what he said, butthe actor just sighed and what this
guy, Yeah, that's just myfucking point. You are. You are

(01:12:13):
seeding the world with I've like,don't get me wrong, don't rely on
it. You should let the actorshave their truth, not do what Emma
said, don't do that. Butbut hear me out. I took that
as a hint just from like acouple of times I've been places, And
I also feel like treating the actorswith just like genuine kindness and delight is

(01:12:35):
also just really funny. But whenI was at the place last year,
at the same place with the citygrabber who didn't actually grab my titties,
think god, titty grabber, whotitty grabber who didn't actually grab my titties,
potentially potential titty grabber. Oh whodidn't actually grab my titties? Thank

(01:12:55):
god? Yes? Uh. WhileI was there, we were standing in
this line and some of the actorsare like coming around and like trying to
like you know, get the crowdlike ready and like being spooky and mysterious
and get in people's faces and this. This one girl in this line incredible
energy. Every single time an actorapproached her or came like within five feet

(01:13:18):
of her, she just went,hello, little hello, little you.
Why will stay okay? Can Ijust say this? And I don't want
to be this guy, stay stayhome if that's what you're gonna do,
like, because here's the thing,Like, it's like someone who I'm not
saying you're doing this because I don'tknow it's okay, I know, I
know, I don't. I don'tdo it to that extent, okay,

(01:13:40):
like half complimented some costumes. Though. This is like someone going and sitting
in a horror movie in a movietheater and every time something scary happens,
going, don't you know it's notreal? It's like yeah, but like
you need to shut the fuck upabout it because like I know, it's
not real. Stop reminding me it'snot real. I think, like I
said, in order to really getthe most of us, there needs to

(01:14:01):
be a level of suspension. However, it depends exactly what you're trying to
get out of this. If you'rejust here for a good time. And
like I said, one of myfavorite parts of being scared is the laughter
that ensues after, and so,like I, I honestly thought that what
she was doing was benign an adorable, and obviously it just meant that the
actors stopped approaching her, and that'sall it was. And I'm sure at

(01:14:25):
least one or two actors probably gota kick out of it, the same
way I get a kick remembering it. But don't rely on that, because
yes, the actors are there toscare you, and it's very disappointing,
and they enjoy that, like they'relike it's a it's a a tac in
handshake between us as the haunted housegoersand them as the scarers that they're not

(01:14:45):
gonna fucking touch us, but they'regonna do their best to scare us.
And if you're unwilling to go shakeyour hand and agree to your part of
the bargain, then I don't thinkthat they should be putting in any effort.
If somebody goes, hey, yeah, you're not real. She never
said that. I know, Iknow, but she said a too syllable
word. Come on, no,we know that. It's I've been to

(01:15:10):
a haunted house just like you have. I mean, you know what I
mean, Like, yeah, Emma, she didn't say any of that.
She didn't have to, though Iknow, I know you're getting someone else's
yum is a problem for me.That's fair. I don't I didn't personally
get that vibe from her specifically,but I will say that it is a
tactic that I have relied on occasionally, especially when tensions get I think it's

(01:15:33):
like, uh, your brain kicksin and it's just like, hey,
uh, you're not actually in dangerhere saying this really stupid thing instead.
But why say the stupid thing likeyou're not really in danger? You know
what I mean? I think it'sbecause. I think it's because especially like
I don't think I would do itif I wasn't with other people. That
Bob is going at it alone.But I'm also like, you never go

(01:15:56):
into one of those things alone anyways. No, And also that takes the
fun out of it. I'm like, what is the point of it if
you're taking it? I also wantto make my friends laugh, you know,
Yeah, but your friends are gonnalaugh if you're scared, I know,
are gonna laugh anyways, Like youknow what I mean, I can't
help being wholesome. I just Ican't help it. I can't help being

(01:16:16):
wholesome, Chris, I get it. No I'm not. I'm not ragging
on you. I'm ragging on peoplethat do it for the sole purpose of
taking the piss out of it.I agree, And you know who those
people are. I mean, that'sthat's a yeah. No, if you're
going into it like an absolute asshole, then no, you shouldn't like go
fucking like you're you're ruining this notonly for yourself, but you're ruining it

(01:16:39):
for the people who work there,who are spending their time when they're not
at their real jobs, because thelikelihood that this is their real job is
effectively zero. So those people aredoing this because they love it too,
you know what I mean, Likeeverybody simpatico. And this makes me want
to go to a goddamn haunted house, God damn it. And I don't
want to go to a haunted house. Why because the ones that we have

(01:17:00):
here aren't are just okay, likeI don't know, and now they're super
crowd. But if I had gonetwo weeks ago, it probably would have
been a different story. Yeah,I went like this second of October.
Yeah, like it great? Yougo then just like you don't go to
Spirit Halloween the weekend before Halloween andthen go, oh, they don't have
anything, Like, yeah, Iwonder why because they've been open for two

(01:17:20):
months now. So but what Iwill say, so I gave that advice
to Arthur's little brother just because Ithink he had I think he deserved a
mental break. I think he hadenough of the pists scared out of him.
So I gave him that little tipand it helped him through the last
thing, and I thought that wasfine. And hearing hearing the clown just

(01:17:41):
signed out this guy was also reallybecause I mean again, it's not their
fucking first rodeo either. Noh.But so basically towards the end, you
know, nothing had gotten a realscare out of me. Again, it
was a lot of anticipation and buildup an anxiety and then like the payoff

(01:18:02):
is all ill on the disappointing side, even when they're trying to like be
in it and be present for it, and you know, like I still
I still enjoyed it because it was, you know, great, it was
great vibes all around. But youknow there's that part of you that's a
little disappointed that you know you haven'tgotten that scare, especially when, like
five minutes ago, you hear likethree different high pitched screams, and you're

(01:18:26):
just like, why isn't that me? Why am I so jaded? So
so jaated? Why why am Inot Emma's asking the questions that need to
be asked? Why am I sofucking jaded? Yeah? Why is it?
I know it's me. It's notthat it's me. Oh yeah,
I mean it's completely you. ButI think you're jaded because it's easier to
be jaded about haunted houses than itis to be scared by them. Yeah,

(01:18:48):
even that we live in scarier timesthan any fucking haunted house could ever
conjure it, that's true. Sotowards the end, there was this room
and everything splatter like so again pitchblack walls, and then it was just
this paint being splattered like Jackson Pollockstyle, and it was very disorienting,

(01:19:10):
like they say, like the mostdisorienting for last. And I thought,
in like the corner of my eye, I thought I maybe had just like,
is that somebody wearing a like asuit, like an all black suit,
with like the paint splatter on it. I think that might be somebody.
But before I could finish processing theI think that might be a person

(01:19:33):
like as of right brain was comingto terms with like trying to prepare myself
for it. Before I could getthere, fucking jumped out and I actually
screamed, and I was so happy, and I was like corn ahead finally,
and then they looked at you andlike, well, we're not a
good enough job for you. No, I didn't say that, they said

(01:19:54):
to you, and you're like fatallyfinally, I felt that in my heart
I was. But I was solike that. I got the adrenaline spike
I got, I got the dopaminerush. It was also it's so fucking
fun. I couldn't believe that Iactually managed to get like a genuine scare,
like a genuine scream. It wasn'tlike a blood curdling scream, but

(01:20:15):
it was a scream, and Iwas really I was happy about that.
So it ended like literally like thelast actor on the last attraction was what
gave me the scare. And Iended on a very very positive note.
I feel like I got, youknow, that made me feel like I
got my money's worth. That mademe feel like I was I'm here for

(01:20:36):
the right reason. I got themost out of it. I was.
I was really happy about that.So that was my That was my favorite
moment is actually being scared at theend. And then you sat and had
a caramel corn or a candy appleand counted the days. The day's events,
right is I know what one doesat one of these fine places,
right? Well, so there wasa restaurant that was like a lookout literally

(01:21:00):
like right on the grounds of thisplace because it's a repurposed ski resort apparently,
so during the off season, youknow, they do stuff, they
have the stuff. So there's thisrestaurant on this resort if you I don't
know if it's really considered a resort, but it's it's a it's a ski
place. But there's this restaurant.Uh. And we decided to just get

(01:21:23):
like something simple and easy and yeah, and we talked about it and it
was really fun. So that thatwas a nice little wrap up. Uh.
And then you know, drove drovethe kid home because it was a
school night, I know, butbut yeah, so that that was this
year's Haunted festivities. I might windup going to do something else, maybe

(01:21:45):
maybe with you on maybe some morelocal maybe somewhere in Jersey if I can
find someplace, and and yeah,and I do want to watch Smile I
got I gotta know if it's actuallyscary bringing it all the way back,
I went back to all back.I mean, I haven't seen it yet.
Like, like we said, ourour dear friend Josh Bragg has a

(01:22:06):
kind of a weird, weird connectionto the movie. I've heard good things.
I mean, I've heard that it'sheard that it's decent, so it
needs anything. But I don't.I don't go and see new movies,
isn't it. Yeah, you know, I don't know why you don't keep
up with the newest stuff. Idon't like leaving my house to go see
movies anymore. Thank god, Igotta site, I gotta sit where I
watched. So do I, sodo I. But I still don't want

(01:22:30):
to leave my house. Like Istill don't want to go see I watch
new movies. I just don't watchthem in the theater. Yeah that's fair.
Yeah, that's that's more. That'smore what it is. I'm just
I don't like, I don't.I don't. Who wants to go watch
a movie in the theaters? Youcan't smoke smoke a brisket in the movie
theater. On Wow, it smokeweed in a movie theater. What the

(01:22:50):
fuck do you care? Who caresthis twenty twenty? Nobody everybody smokes weed,
I know, right, Like,I mean, everybody everybody smokes.
You can't see it, but Iraised my hand, right God, So,
I mean, it sounds like youhad a good job. Oh it
was. It was incredible. Andalso just the fact that I was able
to hang out with Arthur's little brotherbecause he's just he's such a good kid.

(01:23:12):
He's an absolute sweetheart, and Iwas happy I was able to treat
him to a fun weekend. Sothat's good. Well, yeah, it
sounds like it sounds like you hada good time. And that's all thet
even if even if you only gotscared was it's all about the scares along
the way, It's true. It'sall about the friends that we we make.
So, Emma, if we're nothere talking or here doing an episode

(01:23:36):
of this show together, where couldpeople find you on the internet? Great
question? As always, never I'mnever prepared for the question. Ever,
if you're curious about my original podcastthat's uploaded to most places where by podcasts,
it is called Strange Beliefs. Weprimarily post it to YouTube, so

(01:23:57):
all of our YouTube videos are stilland viewable. Of all of the podcasts
that I and my friend and previousco host Arthur you know, have done,
and all of that is about Arthur'sjourney as a witch of practicing which
spirituality. I asked a lot ofquestions as a skeptic, and I've learned

(01:24:20):
a lot and I'm less of askeptic than I was going into the podcast.
So if that's something that intrigues you, if you are the type of
person who questions the paranormal and spirituality, and you know, if any of
the stuff is actually real. Idon't want to go out and say I
have evidence, but this a lotof stuff that he told me is pretty

(01:24:44):
convincing. So if that's something thatyou're interested in, feel free to go
check out Strange Beliefs. We havean instagram that's about it and it does
everything. Yeah, that's it.If you want to hear more of Emma
on this show, you can findEmma on several episodes of the show Manifestations,
Strange, Serial Killers, Haunted Objects. We've done a lot of stuff

(01:25:04):
and we're doing more so that's forthis show. That's where you can find
Emma. As for most of theother shows that I work on, nineteen
shows in counting over Weirdingwaymedia dot Com. That's the podcast network that we have
where we've got, like I said, nineteen shows. Uh, true crime,
paranormal movie stuff, TV stuff,current stuff, old stuff, you

(01:25:26):
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the future, so that will besomewhere you can go in the future,
just not right now. As forthe people who work on this show,
big thanks. It's always to Maggiethe Ad and Dustin Reutlice for the album
artwork, and to our good friendAlex malinaka Blondo. You can find him

(01:25:49):
on the internet just search Blondo onSpotify or on Google. And yeah,
and look, thank you so muchfor joining me. It's been a while
since we've done one of these.Yeah, it's real funny. I'll be
here. Yeah, and with mymicrophone you will. You're not going anywhere,
not allowing you to lead, andyeah right, and yeah, well

(01:26:10):
we'll let our good friend, theformer host of Sidings, mister Tim White.
No mystery is closed to an openmind. H.

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