August 2, 2023 • 34 mins
Chris and Jess continue their look at Animal Planet's found footage horror anthology series that often misses but sometimes lands its cryptids subject matter: Lost Tapes. This episode focuses on one of the big boys of cryptids, a true legend, the Yeti.
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There are creatures science refuses to recognize. If our eyes see it, if
our cameras capture it, does itexist? Do you believe do your Chris,
do you believe in the Yetti?Do you believe in a thing called
that's it? You're asking? DoI just listen to the rhythm of my
heart. Do I believe in athing called I believe in I believe in
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the Jetti. I do believe inthe Jetti, and I do believe that.
I am one of the hosts ofthis show, the Scary Stories we
Tell podcast. But we're talking LostTapes Chronicles. I am one of your
host Krustache you. I am joiningonce again. At some point I will
have stopped. I will have tostop saying once again and it will be
that yeah. And so we're againlike it'll it'll, it's not him right
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now, We're getting there. Um, we're going give it a month.
Yeah, Jess, I'm here,Yeah, yeah, yeah, one more
time, singing out loud. Yeah. No episodes are left in the season
four. There were four. Yeah, there are four more episodes of Lost
Tapes to day one of the Bigthree. Like, I guess is it
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is okay? You know Maggie andI you know your your your doppelganger,
your the phantom kangaroo of Jess.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah who
if you were? If you Sabrinais Maggie? Are you Maggie's familiar or
the other way around? I thinkit's probably the other way around. I
definitely need a familiar. Yeah,tell me, I'm doing stupid sh that's
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fair, but I guess so.So let's so, so let's look at
it. So let's say, let'sstart with three and if we need four
or five, let's go for it. So Bigfoot, we're talking top five,
top five, cryptis anyone that like, if I said, what's a
myth a lot? What are theones that are going to come up with?
Yeah, okay, let's start withthree. Let's start with three,
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and if we need more, we'llgo there. So Bigfoot and man,
lock nest Chopra, Okay, Sowe don't stop there because that wouldn't have
been my answer. My answer wouldhave been mothman. So four is moth
man? Okay? So five?Can we stop at five? We stop
it? So Bigfoot, Locknestel,like aliens are also a witn I don't
I don't consider aliens, cryptids,cryptids, aliens, Yeah, is is
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is it? Bigfoot, locknest,choop a, Cabra, moth Man,
and yet Yeah. I think ofthe five, I think YETI is in
the top five. I mean thoseare the going to be the ones that
people have heard of an animals,snowman, right. And I think at
this point, like if you hadasked me maybe ten years ago or fifteen
years ago, like what are there, you know, like you could have
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gotten away with maybe three. Butnow Choopacabra and Mothman, I think are
pretty main stream in a way thatthey weren't ten fifteen years old. I
would agree, Yeah, Mothman isspecial, right, And I mean I
don't want to say we know whoto blame, but I think we know
who to blame. Our good friend, uh, our good friend rich Hatta.
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Yeah, I think it. Ithink I think it is one hundred
percent Richard's fault. But at thesame time, you know, John Keel's
book The Mothman Prophecies was popular whenit came out, so it's not like
it's the reason it's adapted, andthe reason Richard adapted it is because it's
an important book in the world.In the world of Paris intology. But
yeah, I genuinely think that nowwe're talking top five, and I think
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YETI is up there. I thinkYETI is, And I think even honestly,
Yetti, it's probably it's probably Lockness, Monster, Bigfoot, and Yetti.
Like I think you could make thecase for just those three. And
what's funny is Yetti and Bigfoot arethe same thing essentially in a lot of
ways. I don't want to say. I don't want to say they are
because I don't want to offend anybody, but they're kind of the same thing.
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I knew them as being in thesame spece right. Complementary one is
just you know, can live inthe extreme cold temperatures versus one lives at
a more temperate climate like like thePacific Northwest, right, exactly right.
And I think like there's been especiallybecause you know, the things that that
put these into people's minds are moviesand television. I think that there's been
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a lot of movies and television episodesthat have covering things like the Yetti,
like you know, a giant snowcreature. I mean they're in skyrin right,
like well, I mean again,effectively, what it is the Yetti.
Well, I mean again, likewe're we're at the point now where
like yetti or Abominable Snowman was ina Pixar movie and in Monsters, Inc.
So it's like when you when you'vehit that kind of when Disney knows
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who you are, you somebody?Yeah, well and if they put and
if they put you, I meanyou know. Also if you're a fan
of Disneyland, in Disneyland, LoreMatterhorn at Disneyland, one of the original
rides, has an Abominable Snowman,and then Expedition Everest at Animal Kingdom has
the Disco Yetti called the Disco Yettibecause it's a giant, so it's it's
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on Expedition Everest. It's one ofthe greatest rides. And it's a it
is a ride where you are thequeue of the ride is taking you through
like a everest um like tour umlike company. And you get on the
ride and you go up this mountain. You get to the top and the
ride like stops at the fucked uptracks and you go backwards and you see
a giant goddamn yetti animatronic and I'mtalking like the the animatronic is twenty five
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feet tall, and it's so bigthat they didn't they didn't do the supports
correctly on the ride. So it'sactually on the supports of the ride,
and if it was on doing itskind of you know, gyrations, it
would it would hurt the structural integrityof the ride. So they realize that
pretty early on, so they turnedthey turned the animatronics off. But what
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they did to simulate it moving isessentially strobe lights. And so in the
community of Disney Disney Park people,he is called the Disco Yetti because of
the flashing lights. And you know, I've been on the ride and I
will tell you a twenty five footanimatronic YETI is fucking terrifying moving or not,
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you know, right, moving ornot. And they've talked about in
recent years. They've said, oh, we're gonna fix it. We're gonna
you know, we're gonna make theYetti move again, you know, hashtag
make the Etti move again. ButI don't know about you. I'm prattling
on about the yetti. But Ikind of love that. I mean,
I like the yetti. I thinkthat I mean, any aspect of being
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everest or any kind of mountainous terrainand then add a giant snow creature into
it. Yeah, I mean rightright, Like no, no fucking brainer.
Really. But this episode though,operates more like the create from Creep
Show. Well, yeah, youknow what they say, if you can't
go to Everest, bring Everest toYeah. Well, I mean they don't
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even where is this episode? SoI guess we should just say what our
vehicle is for a framing device herethis time, which is scientists journalists looking
journalists. So it's so it's theit's the most like general scientists, not
even people who would make sense goingto like it's like the most idiotic interpretation
of journalists possible. It's their journalistswho don't want to get scooped, so
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they want to be They want toget the scoop. They want to get
the first scoop, and so they'relike, let's get on board. So
the framing device of this episode isa billionaire goes to Everest, he dies,
right, or excuse me, Abillionaire goes to Everest, he goes
missing. A couple years later,his body comes back with a major discovery.
That's what it says. And sothese two journalists are like, let
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us get onto the boat. Nobodyknows what it is. We want to
figure out what the major discovery is. All of us know what the major
discovery. It's fucking big for themyet you know the ice, big snow,
big man. I will tell youthis much. I think the I
think the framing device for this episodeworks pretty well. Yeah, sorry,
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yes so, I think the framingdevice of this episode works rather well.
It's kind of generic, but atleast is more. There's at least more
of a story happening within it thanin the previous episode, where it's literally
just we went to go raid amoonshine, you know, some moonshiners,
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and we found this monster. Thisat least has some purpose to it.
The characters, as shitty and awfulas they are, because they're irritating as
shit, um, at least havea motive. It makes sense now,
would make more sense if they werelike scienceists because they heard about this discovery
and didn't want to be scooped asit were, right, because they want
to make the discovery, or they'rethe scientists that are being brought on board
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the ship to verify whatever it is, right exactly, like, hey,
we discovered this weird new animal,Like in one of the segments that the
woman is like, well, whywould they what's the big deal about a
discovery of a new animal? Likewhat would what do you mean, what's
the big deal of a discovery ofa new like that that it would be
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a major deal. It's not reallythat. It's not really though, yeah,
I mean, but though, Imean there are there are plenty of
new species that are found every year. But I think the issue is,
I think the bigger issue is ifthis guy goes where he went and he
finds a major discovery, are webeing led to believe everybody in his universe
is so fucking stupid they couldn't justinfer what the fuck this thing was that
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he found. I think that's thebigger problem. Well, and then it
already would like the second this discoverywas made, the military or whoever would
be called in and that thing wouldbe carted by a helicopter immediately out of
the area. It would not justhave been sitting around for a lot.
Because what they discover is once oncethey get yeah, once they get and
this is where the crate creep show. Once they these journalists get to the
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place that this box is being storedin. It says biological specimen like in
being splitters, like say, likeanybody would have those stamps then, and
that's how you know. And thenthey go around the crate and you know,
like, oh my god, thecrate is busted out from the inside.
What a surprise. But then weget some of my actual, like
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more favorite gory moments in this episode. Yeah, there is a guy who
gets his arm ripped off, andnot only do you see you see the
ripped off arm, and then yousee the guy's body without the arm.
Yeah, it's actually pretty decert Yeah, it kind of came through with this
episode and that facility not actually obscured. I was kind of surprised, frankly.
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Yeah, I mean, like ifthey would, they didn't go for
it with like Devil Monkey, butno, I don't even know. I'm
not even sure if they tried toeither. I again, I the Devil
Monkey episode very much like the Ghostepisode or the Poltergeist episode, where it
was just like and then they diedright well and then well, oh Mike
talking about and then they died.This episode is hilarious. Yeah, I
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know, that's what I will givethis episode. This episode, I did
find genuinely like the way that episode. But the way this episode ended is
hilarious. Oh my god. Solet me paint a picture. So yet
yetti loose in the ship. Thetwo journalists are running around. The guy
that got them into the ship getsmurdered. But trying to get off the
ship, they're multiple doors to getoff the ship. The security guard for
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the ship just happens to be therewhen they're knocking on the locked door to
get out. Security guard instead ofshooting with his gun like a security guard
should have, instead of shooting thelock, especially on a ship in where
a by new biological spe and thatis the YETI is being stores right,
so instead of shooting it. AndI guess maybe the way you could interpret
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it is he didn't want to letit out. But I would contend this
thing is big enough that it probablycould bust through the door if it really
wanted. I mean the way thecrate that it shows that it was in
is a massive shipping, that's mypoint, A sturdy, solid wood.
So yeah, it busted out ofthat. It probably could bust through a
metal door on a ship. Right, So instead of helping these two people
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who are who have again, they'venot really done anything wrong. They busted
into this ship, so breaking andentering, they went and looked at this
thing, but ostensibly the creature wasalready out, already running around. They
didn't do any right. This guylets them die, yeah, and you
sure it does. He just goesall right about here and these two's a
weird sound not long go check onthat. These two people just like turn
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around and then the cameras pointed atthe YETI, and the YETI fucking rutalizes
them. Yeah, like probably smashesthem into hamburger meat like this YETI.
This is like this YETI is violent. It would be too if I got
captured and stuck in a box forhow long? How long was it sitting
there? Three years? Three years? Three? So they made an they
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made a new discovery and let itsit on a ship for three Yeah,
like what the long security yard who'slike, I Am not letting you this
out by any means, even ifthere are other people on their Yeah yeah,
I, oh my god. Igenuinely like, I genuinely don't understand.
Like the way this episode ended isuh, the way this episode ended
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is hilarious. Like I've never seenan episode end this way where it's just
like, yeah, fucking like I'mnot helping you and I can't die.
I can't tell if it's like I'mnot helping you because I'm not helping you
because I don't want to die,or I'm not helping you because like I'm
just so scared, or like whatit is, but like anybody's like it's
an evil innkeeper who's like, I'dsend my YETI and now it won't bother
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him three more years. Yeah,Well but then you know the way the
episode ends is equally as strange.Yeah, give up. So they die
and they get murdered, and thentheir deaths are attributed as drowning, and
then the body is sent but thedude's body and the yetti are sent to
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Plumb Island, Yeah, which isMontalk. That's where the that's the mont
That's where the Montalk Project thing takesplace, right uh right, the Montuk
Monster. That's Plumb Island. That'swhere they're like supposedly experimenting on animals and
like you know, working on infectiousdiseases and stuff. That's all taking place
at Montauk, which is Plumb Island, which is where they were trying to
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send me cleaning fucking Silence of theLambs. Yeah yeah, that's where they
make Yeah yeah, Hannibal Electric,Yeah exactly. But so that ends away
other things. Yeah, but sothat ends up being the way this episode
ends. I think this episode wasokay, it's so bad, I mean
compared to the Labs two three thatwe watched, and so at least was
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a coherent story. It helps setit to CRYPTI that like is a common
one. So it's I think myissue with episodes like Double Monkey and the
more like Obscure Cryptids and things likethat are that there's just not enough lore
already known to kind of fill inspots and to to make it work in
your brain. Whereas like with Yeddie, we know what Yedie, we know
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where they are, and we're justthere to see Eddie fucks some shit up.
And that's fine. Well that's becauseI know about Yedie and all of
that, but I don't know aboutthese other things that you're spouting off as
like yeah, it's like more informationthan that though, Well, and agree
with you, But the other theother kind of thing that I always you
know, I always talk about Maggie, you know, Maggie and I always
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talk about whenever Maggie is on isthe idea that if these things don't have
enough, you know, well likepre existing stuff that allows you to do
whatever you want, but they don'teven need a freedom right. But then
they don't even rise to that occasioneither, So it's just it's it's I
don't know, it's all it's allkind of strange and weird. And again,
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I'm I'm a fan of I'm afan of how well this episode is
done, because I think this mightbe the most well done big name Cryptid
that they've done, because for themost part, the big name ones,
they haven't really stuck the land forwhatever, for whatever reason. I mean,
yeah, you know, like theJetti. I'm actually kind of surprised
in a lot of ways that ittook to the third season of the show
to do Yetti. I mean maybethey were like, we need to save
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something, we have to we haveto have one big one every spar a
couple. Maybe, I mean,this is the first big one this season,
like true that the rest of theseason is I mean, I don't
know, the first This is thefirst one this season that I've even felt
like is a crypt right, LikeI guess Kraken, but the kracking is
like a mythological thing. It's amythological creature like and it's also just a
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giant squid, but it's just agiant squid that that people elaborated on storytelling.
A cracking is technically a giant octopus, but like a giant squid exists,
so it doesn't matter either way,Like you know what mule thing,
right, Like that's my point,Like, it doesn't matter either way because
that exists. So it's already scarybecause it does exist. So but yeah,
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this is the first time the seasonI've even felt like, oh,
this is a cryptid like a jetlike a like a like a genuine crypt
set, right and that and youknow that's that's not great either for a
show that was up until this pointreally about embracing the cryptid kind of like
lore and like really like kind ofpresenting cryptids and not like a serious way,
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but presenting them in a way wherethey were like just very matter of
fact, like here's cryptid. Yeah, here's the cryptid we're showing you in
the episode. And here is thefictionalized version, and here's some information about
the cryptid itself, and then somelike if it's not real, some like
things that maybe it is inspired byor you know whatever, and it's like
that was great, and now we'vegotten to the point with the show where
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there are few and far between thosethings anymore anyway, Right, they didn't
even have that stuff like they've foregonelike info edutainment, right, I exactly,
And that's something that I definitely missfrom Like the first seasons of it
actually feel like like like an AnimalPlanet show, right that, like like
when they used to do the likeyou know, late night like the animals
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that live at night type shows wherethey are always kind of presented a little
spear than like the other shows.Yeah, and that's what those first you
know, season and a half kindof felt like. And now this this
episode specifically felt more like that thanthe last ones, because it felt like
they were leaning too hard into tryingto to make like the focus the people
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that were investigating the crypton versus itfocusing on the people who were impacted by
the crypt i e. The fuckingEnigma Corporate. Yes, anytime the Framance
or yeah, FBI or whoever usedto photojournalists, Yeah, I'd rather see
like journalists or scientists or something doingit because that also I don't like the
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like and you know, it isa product of the time period it's in
and everything. You know, hehas like the call of duty type feel
right right, like where you're followingthem around with their guns. Well yeah,
that was the whole thing in thezombie episode was like doom. Yeah.
And it's like I want to hearit's it's an animal Planet show.
I want to hear from scientists andyou know, zoologists, cryptozoologist. Why
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are they're not crypto zoologists on this? They've got some guy from the fucking
Inquirer talking about things. I mean, Laura don't Lauren Coleman shows up,
but it's like he's I guess hewould probably consider himself a cryptozoologist. I
consider him one. But I alsoI think they bill him as an author.
So maybe that the show is likeeven less the show is even less
interested in in I think the showis even less interested presenting like the people
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as cryptozoologist anymore. And I thinkthey're wanting to be less about the cryptids
and more about just like weird things, weird stuff that happens, like zombies
and vampires, like well, likeagain, like if this show had stayed
on for another season, and wherethe hell does this show go? Because
like where it's going now is soit would have to go. I think,
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like I like I mentioned a coupleepisodes before that they would have to
lean more into the international crypt inworld, right, which they do sound
episodes or like that where they goto a different country or whatever. But
most of these episodes are very youknow, USA, even the Cryptians that
like start off somewhere else and thensomehow end up in the United States,
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Like we're still talking about these states. So I think they'd have to lean
harder into the international stuff, whichcould be cool, it could be really
cool, But they don't have thebudget for what they're trying to do presently,
so I can't imagine there's any budgets, there was any budgets, something
a bit more you know, biggerin scope globally, right. Well,
I think like at this point we'relike one step away from talking about like,
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you know, the man who murderedall those teenagers on field Someone's well
and that's but and that's the Imean, and that's the thing is like
where where the show is now isit's not a far step from that.
Like realistically, it's not like it'snot it's it's they have had zombies and
vampires now like those are and wereawolveslike those are that that's the one they
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haven't done yet, but that butyou know, like they if they if
they could have, if they couldhave done that, they probably would have
done them. So they didn't,but I bet if the show had gone
on another season, they might.And the thing that bumps me out about
all this is like at the coreof it, you have absolutely like one
of my favorite cryptis the Yetti,who's actually like you know again like yeah,
we talked about we talked about howhe's snow big foot, and he
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is. But the Yetti has beenpart of the people of the region's lives
forever. They've always worshiped some sortof being in in the snow, right,
a glacial being, I think iswhat they called it at one point.
But like they always believe you inany of that, No, they
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didn't know and this and like thisis a perfect opportunity to introduce like,
you know, the wild Man andlike because that, you know, that's
also the way the yettis scribe iskind of like a wild Man and do
they have a missing link episode?No, again, like I don't I
don't know what they I don't knowwhat they were thinking at this point in
the show's run, because they havegone so far away from even a framing
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device that suits a crypto of thiscaliber. This episode should have taken place
on Everest. Yeah, like theyshould have been like, look like it
should have taken place. The storyshould be the body Disco and the body
of the like, it should bethe story of the guy on Everest.
Oh, he should be the cameraand then they found the camera when they
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found his body and the Yetty,which I guess they somehow some dude and
put in a box. Well,what if it like the what if the
lost tape end with him like knockingthe yetti out, like tranquilizing the YETI,
but the YETI kills him in theprocess, right, right, and
then they find him. Yeah,and the journalist could be the ones that
are watching through the tape, rightand they're not even we don't even follow
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that lake, right, Yeah,we're following this story like that and it
would be a better episode. Yeah, and hey, budget uh would probably
not work for having something on Everest, But well no, but like you
could go film and fuck a Californiayea, yeah, ski Resort. I
mean you're getting like found footage stuff. It's up close, it's not and
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the Yetti fuss whatever Pietti doesn't alwayshave to have snow could be the ski
free end. Yeah. Well again, the Yetti doesn't always have to have
snow. No, you know,Everest isn't always snow. If we were
going with this side, with thisguy who was going on his trek through
Everest, we get some cool likenear close moments of being on the mountain.
Oh it's a bear. Yeah,and then yeah, we get that
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build up and then you know,Yetti kills him while he simultaneously like tranks
him. But that would be anexciting episode that there's nothing exciting about any
of these episodes because it's all veryyou know, like we talked about before
parental investigative type stuff, very youknow, post Blair, which found footage
movie stuff where it's all very we'reusing security cameras now so our shots can
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be static, and we're using youknow, and it looking bad is factory
you write exactly, but it feelsoverly manufactured, where as if somebody just
has their cam quorder, their shittycam quorder climbing them Mountain BLUs. It
gives it more suspense and more tensionof not being able to clearly see things
rather than not rather than purposely obscuringthings because you know you're fucking effects.
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Well yeah, and I mean Ithink that for me is the ultimate reality
of the episode. Using the staticcamera stuff is just to cover up that
it looks bad. Yeah. Yeah, here's those weird angles. And it
does cover up that it looks bad. I'll tell you that much. It
just it does. It makes meknow that it looks in the YETI view
though it looks like a spirit Halloweengost. Well, well, that's the
thing anytime, anytime you see anyof these things up close. I mean
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even in the Devil Monkey episode,it was the same thing. It's like,
that's just a guy. It's justa guy in a suit. And
I know there's nothing you could doabout it just being a guy in a
suit, but like it's just aguy. Like you can do other things
to make up for that and tomake up make it more interesting and to
make people that you know, tobe able to put those things to the
side. Because the rest of theshow. This episode I think does pretty
well at the things that we've beenmissing in the last few episodes. Yeah,
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but it still could have been more. And that's ultimately I think where
we were coming to the all youknow on the series, I think the
culmination is definitely going to be thatthis show just didn't it didn't ever push
itself to where it really wanted togo or to where it really could have
stayed very much within Bach and thenonce like certain trends and things became popular
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in the last series, in thelast season and a half, we're seeing
a lot of that replicated in theseepisodes. And you know, we're watching
this, see this, this seriesalmost fifteen years after the back and so
sure we've been in and day witha million found footage movies, a million
paranormal investing in the TV shows,a million uh walking dead military, military
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kind of focused government versus that likeyeah, you know what I mean,
Like it's like Resident Evil and Utwenty eight days left later in twenty eight
weeks later even and men. Moreso, we're getting a lot of that
kind of vibe. And I thinkit's also the you know, the post
everything with getting out of I'm ramblingtakeover. No, well, I I
mean I I you're gonna say postnine to eleven. Yeah, well that's
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what it is. I mean thatthat is one percent the case, Like
this is still this is still withinthe first decade of nine to eleven.
The way that this is, youknow, the way that this is being
shot. So I I want toimagine, I know why this show exists.
Feel like this show because of Cloverfield. Yeah yeah, so Cloverfield comes
out in January eighteenth of oh eight. This show comes out in October of
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oh eight. This this show andthe early versions of this show, the
early seasons of this show are soclover Field either not even and then the
later seasons of this show are beinginspired by the other movies of the day.
Like I would love to speak tothe people who made this show,
because I would. I mean,this is just this is just us prognosticating
and I'm sure you know what Ilike, we should reach out to him
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at this point, we should,Like we've talked about the show for like
we may as well, they likeearny episodes of our show has been for
their show. But like I haveto, I have to, I have
to have confirmation that that's the case, because there's no way that it's not.
Cloverfield was a success, Like itwas a massive fucking success. So
why wouldn't you like say, Okay, we have monsters, what kind of
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monsters do we have? Well,if we don't have to make our own
monsters, what are free to usemonsters? Okay, well I don't want
to do Frankenstein and stuff right exactly, can't do right so cryptids because nobody
owns the blah blah blah whatever.So there you go, like you've you've
got it right then and there,so like it makes sense. And like
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again, the first couple of seasonsthat show, like if you go back
and watch it with like a moreof an eye to clover Field, like
I bet it's kind of huge closeto it. Yeah, yeah it does,
and it does. It has allall of those elements, and it
just becomes more apparent in this likeit's strain, very far away. It's
been there all the you know,everything is inspired by something else, sure,
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but in this season it seems justso heavy handeds like this is the
paranormal activity episode, this is theWalking Dead episode, this is whatever,
and it's just like Okay, that'sfine. I see what you're doing.
There's no subtlety any I would ratherjust watch those other things. If I'm
gonna watch that, like right there, I'm gonna watch something like Paranormal Activity,
(28:53):
I might as well just watch ParanormalActivity because at least it was one
of them, the kind of firstlike that at first goast movies like that,
gotcha? I agree. I mean, I'm with you one hundred percent,
especially when they're when you're doing itso close and you're not doing enough
with it, right, you're essentiallylike on the nose, but you're not
You're doing walking the line, you'renot pushing it, you're not making it
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different in any way, you're notmeat in any way. You're just replicating
it on a much smaller budget witha much smaller time frame. Yeah,
which makes it much less interial.Right. And you know, as much
as people want to talk about cloverField and what it kind of did for
found footage, like, it's nota cheap movie. You can't do some
of the stuff you can't do cheap, and you the things right, the
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things you can do cheaplier, thingsthat don't rely on effects. It's things
that rely on like people like,oh, it's a person killing people like
that's It also doesn't help that mostof the character most of the actors that
are in each of these episodes aren'tgood well I don't know where. They're
not giving good material. They're notgiving good material to work with. They're
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all very stiff like yeah, likeChris said, when you're doing something that's
found footage and you're with a groupof people for however long you're with those
people, they have to be charactersbeyond you know, cut and paste,
you know, cut and paste archetypes. Essentially, they're like, you're the
journalist, you're the scientists, you'rethis now. That happens in so many
found footage movies, Yes, obviously, and that's why they are one of
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the most like divisive types of horrormovies out there, because people either love
them or they fucking despised, right, good reason either way. I think,
yeah, yeah, I mean,I like, you know, the
handful of them, the ones thatdid it right, I mean, you
know, Blair Witch is still scary, honestly, right right, Still Creepy
(30:45):
is ostensibly a pretty boring movie upinto the last ten minute. Sure,
boring as in not a lot ofaction is happening, but they do a
good job, which is what youhave to be doing where you're making stuff
like this where you can't rely onyour slash the effect to get the shock
and a lot of people well andthat's and and that I think is where
this show got itself into a picklebecause that how do you do small effects
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with cryptom? It's a good it'sa good idea, but like you need
the budget for it, yeah,or you or you just never show it.
Yeah, and that's like, whatdo we work right now? That's
what the first season kind of did, and it kind of worked out of
it well, and colbor Field suffers. When you see the monster, it's
scary when you're seeing all the others, like the monsters not scary. The
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monster is the least scary part ofthe movie. The scary part is like
everything surrounding that and everything that,Like that, what's happening, how the
people are reacting to it? Yeah, like that that with random shit that's
falling from the sky, right,So yeah, the the destruction that the
creature hath wrought, that's you know, that's more terrifying than the fucking creatures.
So like the show kind of gotthat in the first season, but
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it's just lost it. We're approaching, we're approaching the end of this show,
so we're we're we're gonna be talkingabout when whendigoes next. Oh we
haven't talked about them. Well,well, so I want to say,
right around the time when Maggie steppedin for you was when we did Skinwalker.
So okay, Well, so againthe same family. Yeah, you
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know, yeah, you say Skinwalker, you know, I mean the show
could have also gotten more into likeindigenous people more right, right, stuff
like that, right exactly, youknow, speaking of wrendigo and stuff like
that, Like it could have couldhave went there, but it didn't.
I mean maybe I'm kind of gladI didn't because I feel like it might
that could have been potential for beinghandled poorly. Yeah, well with this
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new episode, with this next episode, the skin Walker episode, I don't
think was was great, right,but so so until the wind Too episode.
Jess, where can people find you? You can find me on Instagram
at writer Jess Buyer. You alsofind me on TikTok by the same name.
I'm working on getting a website updated, but until then, you can
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find eat those lists. What aboutyou, Chris. As for me,
you can find me at c stashidot com, cstac hiw dot com.
That's my link tree. Go therefor all the things that I work on.
As for this show, Scary Stories, weetell dot com, Scary Stories
wt on all social media, butjust listen to the show. It's all
you need to eat. Don't needto go Twitter and all that shit.
That's what it is about. AndI don't do that. I don't like
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that. Yeah, yeah, bigThanks as always to Maggie they Add and
Dustin Rutlands for the album artwork forthe show, a to Alex Melnacka Blondo
for the music. And we willlet our good friend mister Tim White of
citing get us out. No mysteryis closed to an open mind. Two
There are creatures science refuses to recognize. If our eyes see it, if
our cameras capture it, does itexist? Do you believe do your Chris,
do you believe in the Yetti?Do you believe in a thing called
that's it? You're asking? DoI just listen to the rhythm of my
heart. Do I believe in athing called I believe in I believe in
(01:04):
the Jetti. I do believe inthe Jetti, and I do believe that.
I am one of the hosts ofthis show, the Scary Stories we
Tell podcast. But we're talking LostTapes Chronicles. I am one of your
host Krustache you. I am joiningonce again. At some point I will
have stopped. I will have tostop saying once again and it will be
that yeah. And so we're againlike it'll it'll, it's not him right
(01:25):
now, We're getting there. Um, we're going give it a month.
Yeah, Jess, I'm here,Yeah, yeah, yeah, one more
time, singing out loud. Yeah. No episodes are left in the season
four. There were four. Yeah, there are four more episodes of Lost
Tapes to day one of the Bigthree. Like, I guess is it
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is okay? You know Maggie andI you know your your your doppelganger,
your the phantom kangaroo of Jess.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah who
if you were? If you Sabrinais Maggie? Are you Maggie's familiar or
the other way around? I thinkit's probably the other way around. I
definitely need a familiar. Yeah,tell me, I'm doing stupid sh that's
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fair, but I guess so.So let's so, so let's look at
it. So let's say, let'sstart with three and if we need four
or five, let's go for it. So Bigfoot, we're talking top five,
top five, cryptis anyone that like, if I said, what's a
myth a lot? What are theones that are going to come up with?
Yeah, okay, let's start withthree. Let's start with three,
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and if we need more, we'llgo there. So Bigfoot and man,
lock nest Chopra, Okay, Sowe don't stop there because that wouldn't have
been my answer. My answer wouldhave been mothman. So four is moth
man? Okay? So five?Can we stop at five? We stop
it? So Bigfoot, Locknestel,like aliens are also a witn I don't
I don't consider aliens, cryptids,cryptids, aliens, Yeah, is is
(02:53):
is it? Bigfoot, locknest,choop a, Cabra, moth Man,
and yet Yeah. I think ofthe five, I think YETI is in
the top five. I mean thoseare the going to be the ones that
people have heard of an animals,snowman, right. And I think at
this point, like if you hadasked me maybe ten years ago or fifteen
years ago, like what are there, you know, like you could have
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gotten away with maybe three. Butnow Choopacabra and Mothman, I think are
pretty main stream in a way thatthey weren't ten fifteen years old. I
would agree, Yeah, Mothman isspecial, right, And I mean I
don't want to say we know whoto blame, but I think we know
who to blame. Our good friend, uh, our good friend rich Hatta.
(03:34):
Yeah, I think it. Ithink I think it is one hundred
percent Richard's fault. But at thesame time, you know, John Keel's
book The Mothman Prophecies was popular whenit came out, so it's not like
it's the reason it's adapted, andthe reason Richard adapted it is because it's
an important book in the world.In the world of Paris intology. But
yeah, I genuinely think that nowwe're talking top five, and I think
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YETI is up there. I thinkYETI is, And I think even honestly,
Yetti, it's probably it's probably Lockness, Monster, Bigfoot, and Yetti.
Like I think you could make thecase for just those three. And
what's funny is Yetti and Bigfoot arethe same thing essentially in a lot of
ways. I don't want to say. I don't want to say they are
because I don't want to offend anybody, but they're kind of the same thing.
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I knew them as being in thesame spece right. Complementary one is
just you know, can live inthe extreme cold temperatures versus one lives at
a more temperate climate like like thePacific Northwest, right, exactly right.
And I think like there's been especiallybecause you know, the things that that
put these into people's minds are moviesand television. I think that there's been
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a lot of movies and television episodesthat have covering things like the Yetti,
like you know, a giant snowcreature. I mean they're in skyrin right,
like well, I mean again,effectively, what it is the Yetti.
Well, I mean again, likewe're we're at the point now where
like yetti or Abominable Snowman was ina Pixar movie and in Monsters, Inc.
So it's like when you when you'vehit that kind of when Disney knows
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who you are, you somebody?Yeah, well and if they put and
if they put you, I meanyou know. Also if you're a fan
of Disneyland, in Disneyland, LoreMatterhorn at Disneyland, one of the original
rides, has an Abominable Snowman,and then Expedition Everest at Animal Kingdom has
the Disco Yetti called the Disco Yettibecause it's a giant, so it's it's
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on Expedition Everest. It's one ofthe greatest rides. And it's a it
is a ride where you are thequeue of the ride is taking you through
like a everest um like tour umlike company. And you get on the
ride and you go up this mountain. You get to the top and the
ride like stops at the fucked uptracks and you go backwards and you see
a giant goddamn yetti animatronic and I'mtalking like the the animatronic is twenty five
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feet tall, and it's so bigthat they didn't they didn't do the supports
correctly on the ride. So it'sactually on the supports of the ride,
and if it was on doing itskind of you know, gyrations, it
would it would hurt the structural integrityof the ride. So they realize that
pretty early on, so they turnedthey turned the animatronics off. But what
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they did to simulate it moving isessentially strobe lights. And so in the
community of Disney Disney Park people,he is called the Disco Yetti because of
the flashing lights. And you know, I've been on the ride and I
will tell you a twenty five footanimatronic YETI is fucking terrifying moving or not,
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you know, right, moving ornot. And they've talked about in
recent years. They've said, oh, we're gonna fix it. We're gonna
you know, we're gonna make theYetti move again, you know, hashtag
make the Etti move again. ButI don't know about you. I'm prattling
on about the yetti. But Ikind of love that. I mean,
I like the yetti. I thinkthat I mean, any aspect of being
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everest or any kind of mountainous terrainand then add a giant snow creature into
it. Yeah, I mean rightright, Like no, no fucking brainer.
Really. But this episode though,operates more like the create from Creep
Show. Well, yeah, youknow what they say, if you can't
go to Everest, bring Everest toYeah. Well, I mean they don't
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even where is this episode? SoI guess we should just say what our
vehicle is for a framing device herethis time, which is scientists journalists looking
journalists. So it's so it's theit's the most like general scientists, not
even people who would make sense goingto like it's like the most idiotic interpretation
of journalists possible. It's their journalistswho don't want to get scooped, so
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they want to be They want toget the scoop. They want to get
the first scoop, and so they'relike, let's get on board. So
the framing device of this episode isa billionaire goes to Everest, he dies,
right, or excuse me, Abillionaire goes to Everest, he goes
missing. A couple years later,his body comes back with a major discovery.
That's what it says. And sothese two journalists are like, let
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us get onto the boat. Nobodyknows what it is. We want to
figure out what the major discovery is. All of us know what the major
discovery. It's fucking big for themyet you know the ice, big snow,
big man. I will tell youthis much. I think the I
think the framing device for this episodeworks pretty well. Yeah, sorry,
(08:24):
yes so, I think the framingdevice of this episode works rather well.
It's kind of generic, but atleast is more. There's at least more
of a story happening within it thanin the previous episode, where it's literally
just we went to go raid amoonshine, you know, some moonshiners,
(08:45):
and we found this monster. Thisat least has some purpose to it.
The characters, as shitty and awfulas they are, because they're irritating as
shit, um, at least havea motive. It makes sense now,
would make more sense if they werelike scienceists because they heard about this discovery
and didn't want to be scooped asit were, right, because they want
to make the discovery, or they'rethe scientists that are being brought on board
(09:09):
the ship to verify whatever it is, right exactly, like, hey,
we discovered this weird new animal,Like in one of the segments that the
woman is like, well, whywould they what's the big deal about a
discovery of a new animal? Likewhat would what do you mean, what's
the big deal of a discovery ofa new like that that it would be
(09:30):
a major deal. It's not reallythat. It's not really though, yeah,
I mean, but though, Imean there are there are plenty of
new species that are found every year. But I think the issue is,
I think the bigger issue is ifthis guy goes where he went and he
finds a major discovery, are webeing led to believe everybody in his universe
is so fucking stupid they couldn't justinfer what the fuck this thing was that
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he found. I think that's thebigger problem. Well, and then it
already would like the second this discoverywas made, the military or whoever would
be called in and that thing wouldbe carted by a helicopter immediately out of
the area. It would not justhave been sitting around for a lot.
Because what they discover is once oncethey get yeah, once they get and
this is where the crate creep show. Once they these journalists get to the
(10:16):
place that this box is being storedin. It says biological specimen like in
being splitters, like say, likeanybody would have those stamps then, and
that's how you know. And thenthey go around the crate and you know,
like, oh my god, thecrate is busted out from the inside.
What a surprise. But then weget some of my actual, like
(10:37):
more favorite gory moments in this episode. Yeah, there is a guy who
gets his arm ripped off, andnot only do you see you see the
ripped off arm, and then yousee the guy's body without the arm.
Yeah, it's actually pretty decert Yeah, it kind of came through with this
episode and that facility not actually obscured. I was kind of surprised, frankly.
(11:00):
Yeah, I mean, like ifthey would, they didn't go for
it with like Devil Monkey, butno, I don't even know. I'm
not even sure if they tried toeither. I again, I the Devil
Monkey episode very much like the Ghostepisode or the Poltergeist episode, where it
was just like and then they diedright well and then well, oh Mike
talking about and then they died.This episode is hilarious. Yeah, I
(11:20):
know, that's what I will givethis episode. This episode, I did
find genuinely like the way that episode. But the way this episode ended is
hilarious. Oh my god. Solet me paint a picture. So yet
yetti loose in the ship. Thetwo journalists are running around. The guy
that got them into the ship getsmurdered. But trying to get off the
ship, they're multiple doors to getoff the ship. The security guard for
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the ship just happens to be therewhen they're knocking on the locked door to
get out. Security guard instead ofshooting with his gun like a security guard
should have, instead of shooting thelock, especially on a ship in where
a by new biological spe and thatis the YETI is being stores right,
so instead of shooting it. AndI guess maybe the way you could interpret
(12:05):
it is he didn't want to letit out. But I would contend this
thing is big enough that it probablycould bust through the door if it really
wanted. I mean the way thecrate that it shows that it was in
is a massive shipping, that's mypoint, A sturdy, solid wood.
So yeah, it busted out ofthat. It probably could bust through a
metal door on a ship. Right, So instead of helping these two people
(12:30):
who are who have again, they'venot really done anything wrong. They busted
into this ship, so breaking andentering, they went and looked at this
thing, but ostensibly the creature wasalready out, already running around. They
didn't do any right. This guylets them die, yeah, and you
sure it does. He just goesall right about here and these two's a
weird sound not long go check onthat. These two people just like turn
(12:52):
around and then the cameras pointed atthe YETI, and the YETI fucking rutalizes
them. Yeah, like probably smashesthem into hamburger meat like this YETI.
This is like this YETI is violent. It would be too if I got
captured and stuck in a box forhow long? How long was it sitting
there? Three years? Three years? Three? So they made an they
(13:15):
made a new discovery and let itsit on a ship for three Yeah,
like what the long security yard who'slike, I Am not letting you this
out by any means, even ifthere are other people on their Yeah yeah,
I, oh my god. Igenuinely like, I genuinely don't understand.
Like the way this episode ended isuh, the way this episode ended
(13:35):
is hilarious. Like I've never seenan episode end this way where it's just
like, yeah, fucking like I'mnot helping you and I can't die.
I can't tell if it's like I'mnot helping you because I'm not helping you
because I don't want to die,or I'm not helping you because like I'm
just so scared, or like whatit is, but like anybody's like it's
an evil innkeeper who's like, I'dsend my YETI and now it won't bother
(13:58):
him three more years. Yeah,Well but then you know the way the
episode ends is equally as strange.Yeah, give up. So they die
and they get murdered, and thentheir deaths are attributed as drowning, and
then the body is sent but thedude's body and the yetti are sent to
(14:18):
Plumb Island, Yeah, which isMontalk. That's where the that's the mont
That's where the Montalk Project thing takesplace, right uh right, the Montuk
Monster. That's Plumb Island. That'swhere they're like supposedly experimenting on animals and
like you know, working on infectiousdiseases and stuff. That's all taking place
at Montauk, which is Plumb Island, which is where they were trying to
(14:41):
send me cleaning fucking Silence of theLambs. Yeah yeah, that's where they
make Yeah yeah, Hannibal Electric,Yeah exactly. But so that ends away
other things. Yeah, but sothat ends up being the way this episode
ends. I think this episode wasokay, it's so bad, I mean
compared to the Labs two three thatwe watched, and so at least was
(15:03):
a coherent story. It helps setit to CRYPTI that like is a common
one. So it's I think myissue with episodes like Double Monkey and the
more like Obscure Cryptids and things likethat are that there's just not enough lore
already known to kind of fill inspots and to to make it work in
your brain. Whereas like with Yeddie, we know what Yedie, we know
(15:24):
where they are, and we're justthere to see Eddie fucks some shit up.
And that's fine. Well that's becauseI know about Yedie and all of
that, but I don't know aboutthese other things that you're spouting off as
like yeah, it's like more informationthan that though, Well, and agree
with you, But the other theother kind of thing that I always you
know, I always talk about Maggie, you know, Maggie and I always
(15:46):
talk about whenever Maggie is on isthe idea that if these things don't have
enough, you know, well likepre existing stuff that allows you to do
whatever you want, but they don'teven need a freedom right. But then
they don't even rise to that occasioneither, So it's just it's it's I
don't know, it's all it's allkind of strange and weird. And again,
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I'm I'm a fan of I'm afan of how well this episode is
done, because I think this mightbe the most well done big name Cryptid
that they've done, because for themost part, the big name ones,
they haven't really stuck the land forwhatever, for whatever reason. I mean,
yeah, you know, like theJetti. I'm actually kind of surprised
in a lot of ways that ittook to the third season of the show
to do Yetti. I mean maybethey were like, we need to save
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something, we have to we haveto have one big one every spar a
couple. Maybe, I mean,this is the first big one this season,
like true that the rest of theseason is I mean, I don't
know, the first This is thefirst one this season that I've even felt
like is a crypt right, LikeI guess Kraken, but the kracking is
like a mythological thing. It's amythological creature like and it's also just a
(16:51):
giant squid, but it's just agiant squid that that people elaborated on storytelling.
A cracking is technically a giant octopus, but like a giant squid exists,
so it doesn't matter either way,Like you know what mule thing,
right, Like that's my point,Like, it doesn't matter either way because
that exists. So it's already scarybecause it does exist. So but yeah,
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this is the first time the seasonI've even felt like, oh,
this is a cryptid like a jetlike a like a like a genuine crypt
set, right and that and youknow that's that's not great either for a
show that was up until this pointreally about embracing the cryptid kind of like
lore and like really like kind ofpresenting cryptids and not like a serious way,
(17:33):
but presenting them in a way wherethey were like just very matter of
fact, like here's cryptid. Yeah, here's the cryptid we're showing you in
the episode. And here is thefictionalized version, and here's some information about
the cryptid itself, and then somelike if it's not real, some like
things that maybe it is inspired byor you know whatever, and it's like
that was great, and now we'vegotten to the point with the show where
(17:55):
there are few and far between thosethings anymore anyway, Right, they didn't
even have that stuff like they've foregonelike info edutainment, right, I exactly,
And that's something that I definitely missfrom Like the first seasons of it
actually feel like like like an AnimalPlanet show, right that, like like
when they used to do the likeyou know, late night like the animals
(18:15):
that live at night type shows wherethey are always kind of presented a little
spear than like the other shows.Yeah, and that's what those first you
know, season and a half kindof felt like. And now this this
episode specifically felt more like that thanthe last ones, because it felt like
they were leaning too hard into tryingto to make like the focus the people
(18:38):
that were investigating the crypton versus itfocusing on the people who were impacted by
the crypt i e. The fuckingEnigma Corporate. Yes, anytime the Framance
or yeah, FBI or whoever usedto photojournalists, Yeah, I'd rather see
like journalists or scientists or something doingit because that also I don't like the
(19:00):
like and you know, it isa product of the time period it's in
and everything. You know, hehas like the call of duty type feel
right right, like where you're followingthem around with their guns. Well yeah,
that was the whole thing in thezombie episode was like doom. Yeah.
And it's like I want to hearit's it's an animal Planet show.
I want to hear from scientists andyou know, zoologists, cryptozoologist. Why
(19:21):
are they're not crypto zoologists on this? They've got some guy from the fucking
Inquirer talking about things. I mean, Laura don't Lauren Coleman shows up,
but it's like he's I guess hewould probably consider himself a cryptozoologist. I
consider him one. But I alsoI think they bill him as an author.
So maybe that the show is likeeven less the show is even less
interested in in I think the showis even less interested presenting like the people
(19:45):
as cryptozoologist anymore. And I thinkthey're wanting to be less about the cryptids
and more about just like weird things, weird stuff that happens, like zombies
and vampires, like well, likeagain, like if this show had stayed
on for another season, and wherethe hell does this show go? Because
like where it's going now is soit would have to go. I think,
(20:06):
like I like I mentioned a coupleepisodes before that they would have to
lean more into the international crypt inworld, right, which they do sound
episodes or like that where they goto a different country or whatever. But
most of these episodes are very youknow, USA, even the Cryptians that
like start off somewhere else and thensomehow end up in the United States,
(20:26):
Like we're still talking about these states. So I think they'd have to lean
harder into the international stuff, whichcould be cool, it could be really
cool, But they don't have thebudget for what they're trying to do presently,
so I can't imagine there's any budgets, there was any budgets, something
a bit more you know, biggerin scope globally, right. Well,
I think like at this point we'relike one step away from talking about like,
(20:48):
you know, the man who murderedall those teenagers on field Someone's well
and that's but and that's the Imean, and that's the thing is like
where where the show is now isit's not a far step from that.
Like realistically, it's not like it'snot it's it's they have had zombies and
vampires now like those are and wereawolveslike those are that that's the one they
(21:08):
haven't done yet, but that butyou know, like they if they if
they could have, if they couldhave done that, they probably would have
done them. So they didn't,but I bet if the show had gone
on another season, they might.And the thing that bumps me out about
all this is like at the coreof it, you have absolutely like one
of my favorite cryptis the Yetti,who's actually like you know again like yeah,
we talked about we talked about howhe's snow big foot, and he
(21:32):
is. But the Yetti has beenpart of the people of the region's lives
forever. They've always worshiped some sortof being in in the snow, right,
a glacial being, I think iswhat they called it at one point.
But like they always believe you inany of that, No, they
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didn't know and this and like thisis a perfect opportunity to introduce like,
you know, the wild Man andlike because that, you know, that's
also the way the yettis scribe iskind of like a wild Man and do
they have a missing link episode?No, again, like I don't I
don't know what they I don't knowwhat they were thinking at this point in
the show's run, because they havegone so far away from even a framing
(22:18):
device that suits a crypto of thiscaliber. This episode should have taken place
on Everest. Yeah, like theyshould have been like, look like it
should have taken place. The storyshould be the body Disco and the body
of the like, it should bethe story of the guy on Everest.
Oh, he should be the cameraand then they found the camera when they
(22:38):
found his body and the Yetty,which I guess they somehow some dude and
put in a box. Well,what if it like the what if the
lost tape end with him like knockingthe yetti out, like tranquilizing the YETI,
but the YETI kills him in theprocess, right, right, and
then they find him. Yeah,and the journalist could be the ones that
are watching through the tape, rightand they're not even we don't even follow
(23:00):
that lake, right, Yeah,we're following this story like that and it
would be a better episode. Yeah, and hey, budget uh would probably
not work for having something on Everest, But well no, but like you
could go film and fuck a Californiayea, yeah, ski Resort. I
mean you're getting like found footage stuff. It's up close, it's not and
(23:22):
the Yetti fuss whatever Pietti doesn't alwayshave to have snow could be the ski
free end. Yeah. Well again, the Yetti doesn't always have to have
snow. No, you know,Everest isn't always snow. If we were
going with this side, with thisguy who was going on his trek through
Everest, we get some cool likenear close moments of being on the mountain.
Oh it's a bear. Yeah,and then yeah, we get that
(23:45):
build up and then you know,Yetti kills him while he simultaneously like tranks
him. But that would be anexciting episode that there's nothing exciting about any
of these episodes because it's all veryyou know, like we talked about before
parental investigative type stuff, very youknow, post Blair, which found footage
movie stuff where it's all very we'reusing security cameras now so our shots can
(24:10):
be static, and we're using youknow, and it looking bad is factory
you write exactly, but it feelsoverly manufactured, where as if somebody just
has their cam quorder, their shittycam quorder climbing them Mountain BLUs. It
gives it more suspense and more tensionof not being able to clearly see things
rather than not rather than purposely obscuringthings because you know you're fucking effects.
(24:36):
Well yeah, and I mean Ithink that for me is the ultimate reality
of the episode. Using the staticcamera stuff is just to cover up that
it looks bad. Yeah. Yeah, here's those weird angles. And it
does cover up that it looks bad. I'll tell you that much. It
just it does. It makes meknow that it looks in the YETI view
though it looks like a spirit Halloweengost. Well, well, that's the
thing anytime, anytime you see anyof these things up close. I mean
(25:00):
even in the Devil Monkey episode,it was the same thing. It's like,
that's just a guy. It's justa guy in a suit. And
I know there's nothing you could doabout it just being a guy in a
suit, but like it's just aguy. Like you can do other things
to make up for that and tomake up make it more interesting and to
make people that you know, tobe able to put those things to the
side. Because the rest of theshow. This episode I think does pretty
well at the things that we've beenmissing in the last few episodes. Yeah,
(25:23):
but it still could have been more. And that's ultimately I think where
we were coming to the all youknow on the series, I think the
culmination is definitely going to be thatthis show just didn't it didn't ever push
itself to where it really wanted togo or to where it really could have
stayed very much within Bach and thenonce like certain trends and things became popular
(25:45):
in the last series, in thelast season and a half, we're seeing
a lot of that replicated in theseepisodes. And you know, we're watching
this, see this, this seriesalmost fifteen years after the back and so
sure we've been in and day witha million found footage movies, a million
paranormal investing in the TV shows,a million uh walking dead military, military
(26:10):
kind of focused government versus that likeyeah, you know what I mean,
Like it's like Resident Evil and Utwenty eight days left later in twenty eight
weeks later even and men. Moreso, we're getting a lot of that
kind of vibe. And I thinkit's also the you know, the post
everything with getting out of I'm ramblingtakeover. No, well, I I
mean I I you're gonna say postnine to eleven. Yeah, well that's
(26:33):
what it is. I mean thatthat is one percent the case, Like
this is still this is still withinthe first decade of nine to eleven.
The way that this is, youknow, the way that this is being
shot. So I I want toimagine, I know why this show exists.
Feel like this show because of Cloverfield. Yeah yeah, so Cloverfield comes
out in January eighteenth of oh eight. This show comes out in October of
(27:00):
oh eight. This this show andthe early versions of this show, the
early seasons of this show are soclover Field either not even and then the
later seasons of this show are beinginspired by the other movies of the day.
Like I would love to speak tothe people who made this show,
because I would. I mean,this is just this is just us prognosticating
and I'm sure you know what Ilike, we should reach out to him
(27:22):
at this point, we should,Like we've talked about the show for like
we may as well, they likeearny episodes of our show has been for
their show. But like I haveto, I have to, I have
to have confirmation that that's the case, because there's no way that it's not.
Cloverfield was a success, Like itwas a massive fucking success. So
why wouldn't you like say, Okay, we have monsters, what kind of
(27:45):
monsters do we have? Well,if we don't have to make our own
monsters, what are free to usemonsters? Okay, well I don't want
to do Frankenstein and stuff right exactly, can't do right so cryptids because nobody
owns the blah blah blah whatever.So there you go, like you've you've
got it right then and there,so like it makes sense. And like
(28:07):
again, the first couple of seasonsthat show, like if you go back
and watch it with like a moreof an eye to clover Field, like
I bet it's kind of huge closeto it. Yeah, yeah it does,
and it does. It has allall of those elements, and it
just becomes more apparent in this likeit's strain, very far away. It's
been there all the you know,everything is inspired by something else, sure,
(28:30):
but in this season it seems justso heavy handeds like this is the
paranormal activity episode, this is theWalking Dead episode, this is whatever,
and it's just like Okay, that'sfine. I see what you're doing.
There's no subtlety any I would ratherjust watch those other things. If I'm
gonna watch that, like right there, I'm gonna watch something like Paranormal Activity,
(28:53):
I might as well just watch ParanormalActivity because at least it was one
of them, the kind of firstlike that at first goast movies like that,
gotcha? I agree. I mean, I'm with you one hundred percent,
especially when they're when you're doing itso close and you're not doing enough
with it, right, you're essentiallylike on the nose, but you're not
You're doing walking the line, you'renot pushing it, you're not making it
(29:15):
different in any way, you're notmeat in any way. You're just replicating
it on a much smaller budget witha much smaller time frame. Yeah,
which makes it much less interial.Right. And you know, as much
as people want to talk about cloverField and what it kind of did for
found footage, like, it's nota cheap movie. You can't do some
of the stuff you can't do cheap, and you the things right, the
(29:38):
things you can do cheaplier, thingsthat don't rely on effects. It's things
that rely on like people like,oh, it's a person killing people like
that's It also doesn't help that mostof the character most of the actors that
are in each of these episodes aren'tgood well I don't know where. They're
not giving good material. They're notgiving good material to work with. They're
(29:59):
all very stiff like yeah, likeChris said, when you're doing something that's
found footage and you're with a groupof people for however long you're with those
people, they have to be charactersbeyond you know, cut and paste,
you know, cut and paste archetypes. Essentially, they're like, you're the
journalist, you're the scientists, you'rethis now. That happens in so many
found footage movies, Yes, obviously, and that's why they are one of
(30:22):
the most like divisive types of horrormovies out there, because people either love
them or they fucking despised, right, good reason either way. I think,
yeah, yeah, I mean,I like, you know, the
handful of them, the ones thatdid it right, I mean, you
know, Blair Witch is still scary, honestly, right right, Still Creepy
(30:45):
is ostensibly a pretty boring movie upinto the last ten minute. Sure,
boring as in not a lot ofaction is happening, but they do a
good job, which is what youhave to be doing where you're making stuff
like this where you can't rely onyour slash the effect to get the shock
and a lot of people well andthat's and and that I think is where
this show got itself into a picklebecause that how do you do small effects
(31:08):
with cryptom? It's a good it'sa good idea, but like you need
the budget for it, yeah,or you or you just never show it.
Yeah, and that's like, whatdo we work right now? That's
what the first season kind of did, and it kind of worked out of
it well, and colbor Field suffers. When you see the monster, it's
scary when you're seeing all the others, like the monsters not scary. The
(31:30):
monster is the least scary part ofthe movie. The scary part is like
everything surrounding that and everything that,Like that, what's happening, how the
people are reacting to it? Yeah, like that that with random shit that's
falling from the sky, right,So yeah, the the destruction that the
creature hath wrought, that's you know, that's more terrifying than the fucking creatures.
So like the show kind of gotthat in the first season, but
(31:52):
it's just lost it. We're approaching, we're approaching the end of this show,
so we're we're we're gonna be talkingabout when whendigoes next. Oh we
haven't talked about them. Well,well, so I want to say,
right around the time when Maggie steppedin for you was when we did Skinwalker.
So okay, Well, so againthe same family. Yeah, you
(32:16):
know, yeah, you say Skinwalker, you know, I mean the show
could have also gotten more into likeindigenous people more right, right, stuff
like that, right exactly, youknow, speaking of wrendigo and stuff like
that, Like it could have couldhave went there, but it didn't.
I mean maybe I'm kind of gladI didn't because I feel like it might
that could have been potential for beinghandled poorly. Yeah, well with this
(32:39):
new episode, with this next episode, the skin Walker episode, I don't
think was was great, right,but so so until the wind Too episode.
Jess, where can people find you? You can find me on Instagram
at writer Jess Buyer. You alsofind me on TikTok by the same name.
I'm working on getting a website updated, but until then, you can
(32:59):
find eat those lists. What aboutyou, Chris. As for me,
you can find me at c stashidot com, cstac hiw dot com.
That's my link tree. Go therefor all the things that I work on.
As for this show, Scary Stories, weetell dot com, Scary Stories
wt on all social media, butjust listen to the show. It's all
you need to eat. Don't needto go Twitter and all that shit.
That's what it is about. AndI don't do that. I don't like
(33:20):
that. Yeah, yeah, bigThanks as always to Maggie they Add and
Dustin Rutlands for the album artwork forthe show, a to Alex Melnacka Blondo
for the music. And we willlet our good friend mister Tim White of
citing get us out. No mysteryis closed to an open mind. Two
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