SurrealTube: Salad Fingers Ep 9-11

Chris and Emma are joined by artist Dustin Rutledge continue their newest series SurrealTube, a look at surreal, weird, and strange YouTube content, with a look at David Firth's Salad Fingers.

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Episode Transcript

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Weird. Hello everyone, and welcometo Scary Stories we Tell. I am

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one of your hosts, Chris,and I'm joined by my two other hosts
on these Surreal Tube episodes. Youhave heard her here before and you're hearing
her again. One of the hostsof this show. It's me. Hello,
I am here and one of theother hosts of this Surreal Tube journey
through the magical, wild world ofthe Internet and the things that people put
on the Internet for other people towatch. He makes things sometimes that go

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on the Internet. Artist Dustin,I'm just here for the rusty spoons.
Gross dude. So if you havebeen joining us up until this point,
you know what we're going to betalking about. We're going to be talking
about some more episodes of the Internetsensation salad Fingers. But before we get

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started, as always, if youare not familiar with this, go back
to the beginning. But if you'redead set on being here and you don't
want to start from the beginning,Emma tell the audience once again a little
bit about what salad Fingers is.Salid Fingers is hard to describe in terms
of coming in midway through. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of news that

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comes with coming into a series likethis at this point. But basically,
we are following in a very oddstory with very little context of a lengthy
green Man with some really long grossfingers and him interacting with a post apocalyptic

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potentially world, very dystopian type setting, and his own delusions, his own
mental health issues potentially, And soeach episode sort of goes into its own

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little theme, and I'm waiting tosee when exactly it starts culminating into because
it's been a while since I've evenwatches culminating into more of a cohesive narrative,
which I think around this point mightbe it. They don't have much
time. Let there's literally four moreepisodes, including this one. I think

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this is where that shift happens.So we've already seen a shift in the
animation style, right, These episodesare much much more recent. The first
few that were put up online werefrom like way over, like a decade
ago. They were they took newGrounds by Storm, which if you listened

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to the first episode in this surrealTube series, you know how not a
thing new Grounds is now. Soit's still out there, it's still out
there, But it is crazy tome that we're closing in on the end
of this series, and the lastepisode came out in twenty twenty two,
which is last year. That's tome, that's actually fucking bonkers. It's

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been a long time in the making, and you can definitely see how it's
starting. Like how it started withjust like Weird Creepy for Weird Creepy's sake,
it didn't really set up too muchfor us other than just introducing us
to this world and like kind ofending it there with the intention of making
us uncomfortable. And now like there'sthere is a level of intrigue. I

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feel like the first couple episodes lackedthat narrative intrigue. It just had that
like general unhinged creepiness factor that wecould you know that we're so nostalgic form
from a time long past. Butnow it's really starting to come into its
own in terms of having a narrativestructure and giving you something a lot more

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to try to theorize on. SoI'm curious to see with this episode what
you guys think in terms of wherethe story might be going. I'm still
waiting for the narrative. I thinkit's this one, Like I said,
it's it's been a while, butI think it's this one. Okay,

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I am very interested to see whatthat is. So again, I just
you know, there was so muchof it and don't hug me. I'm
scared both you know, subtext andlike outfront. So this has been a
lot of subtexts, so it hasn'tbeen outfront as much as I was expecting.

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So do you have aabe we'll beseeing feel a sub sustin before we
hop in. Well, yeah,I'm also kind of waiting for the moment
where like, thanks just all startcoming together and uh, you've got me
hyped up with this episode, allright, then I think we should the

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hype train is leaving the station,folks for two Salad Fingers all the born.
Indeed. Yeah, so we're gonnabe watching the ninth episode of Salad
Fingers. This episode is titled Letter. It was posted on YouTube nine years
ago. It has five point onemillion views. Here we go. Well,

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what I don't know is it wesee salad Fingers in this episode two
different states, one where he lookslike he's dead and then the other one
where he looks perfectly fine. Imean, there's that scene where he goes
like, you know, he's writingthe letter with his finger. He's like,
I can't make the war or whateversysing that effect, right, Like

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is that taking place in the present? Is that taking place in the past?
Does it bad? I guess ultimately, like I don't know if it
matters. I guess I'm still havinga hard time sussing out where this is
going, if it's going anywhere,because now we're at episode soon to be
episode ten, and I would contendit's in rather dire straits now if it's

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introducing mythology, because there's two episodesleft past this one. It's I'm still
searching for a point. And thisepisode for me felt like the first one
where I'm like, is this ismaybe just a little meandering. I could
see that. I think that's fair, right, and like I don't want

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to say that, but also it'slike the thing I should have said before
we watch the episode is my concernis whether or not it will be able
to fill up nine minutes, andthen the next episode is fucking ten minutes,
and then the one past that isfifteen. So I'm just concerned that
that there's not a no off therein the state that the show is in

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now to necessitate these longer run times, and watching this episode kind of it
feels a little bit like validation becauseby the end of this episode, I
have no idea what's going on.It seems intentionally vague this time around,
or intentionally just strange, which it'skind of been this whole time, but
now it feels like they really crankedit up. I would agree. I

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definitely think in terms of visual symbolism, it's really difficult to sus out exactly
what is happening. But I thinkin the context of the previous episode,
which I recall a sort of landingon the idea of abuse, right primarily
like the radio representing a parental figure, you know, yelling at you to

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clean the house and judging you.And then he goes to his covered cry,
which I think when you label itas you know, familial abuse,
I think despite how strange the symbolsare, it makes some sense. And

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I think it's also fair to saythat either this is representing current abuse or
it was meant to be him relivingthat trauma while he is alone and you
know, personifying the things around himto cope with se trauma. Like however,

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I think interesting. Yeah, Ithink this episode kind of dives a
little deeper into It could either behim role playing what his family was like

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growing up, where he takes onthe role of what his parents might have
been for him interesting, or itcould be manifesting this desire that he wishes
that he could have had a familyafter all of that abuse that he endured
in his childhood. Seeing. Imean, family is probably the biggest theme

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in this episode, and I thinkcoupled with abuse from the previous episode,
I think that makes a lot ofsense. Having the tree in the beginning,
which pretty sure that was meant tobe a dream sequence. I assume
so, because he seemed to havewoken up after being like squeezed by the

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branch, right, and it's somaybe it's not a chronological thing, it's
like a states of being. Yeah, I think it's supposed to be a
look into his subconscious in a wayand how we process trauma. But I

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would say that the tree in thebeginning represents neglect. So with the context
of that being like the opening forthe episode, does that sort of help
you put some some thoughts into words, Chris, Yeah, But I mean

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again, it honestly just comes backto this idea of like, how is
salad figures and don't hug me.I'm scared talking about the same thing,
but one is doing it so muchmore entertaining seamlessly. Because that's kind of
what don't hug me. I'm scared, Sagama right, like, gotta stop
comparing the two. It's apples,like we can't help it. That's not

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it's all on the internet. It'snot apples and oranges when you could be
watching this or don't hug me,I'm scared. We got hey, we're
doing both, but you know whatI mean, you know, you know
what I need eager to compare themthough I think they're different medium. I
think they're different stories, and Ithink they're trying to evoke completely different feelings.
I don't think it's fair to compare. You're very, very harsh.

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I think it's fair to I thinkit's fair to compare any anything to anything
else. If it's if it's ifit's art, I think it is doing
what it's intending to do effectively personally. I mean, I agree with that.
I just don't think it's resonating withme fair the way. Don't hug

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me I'm Scared, and that's morewhat I'm getting at. It's again,
like I one can remove myself andmy feelings from things and be objective,
and this is objectively interesting. I'mnot sure it's objectively as successful as Don't
Hug Me I'm Scared, as Imean, there were parts of Don't Hug
Me, I'm Scared that were notgreat either, that were meandering, and
like that. The family episode ofthat show was not as good as most

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everything else we had seen. SoI'm not gonna say it's surprising. I
just don't think it resonated with meas much. And I'm not surprised now
because I don't know Don't Help MeI'm Scared. I resonate with it immediately.
I definitely think that they both playon a different form of nostalgia,
and so I think Don't Know MeI'm Scared really capitalizes on the nostalgia of

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you know, early development programming,you know PBS type stuff, public access
television. You know, it reallypulls from that part of a lot of
our shared childhoods to an extent,whereas this is doing something completely different,
and the nostalgia that it's pulling fromis specifically the creepyness of the Internet at

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this time, the weird dark youknow, the creepy pasta's, the all
of like the weird reddit stories andyou know, the squidward seu aside.
I'm sure you've heard of that one, Chris. Now, oh my god,
there's just like there's a lot oflike very etchy content from that time

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period, and so this taps intothat. I mean, the Originals were
made around that time, and thenhe continued this series which was obviously a
callback, and continues to evoke thosesame feelings, which was just like you
stumbled across like a really weird partof the Internet, and that's always how

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it felt. And I think it'strying to evoke that feeling, but now
it's telling some kind of a deepernarrative and having some kind of commentary on
abuse or trauma or PTSD, somekind of mental issue following around a single

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character. Right, Yeah, No, I agree, I completely. I
mean, so it makes sense,you know, if it isn't resonating the
same way, because I mean,we were all indoctrinated with children's programming,
we weren't all indoctrinated with creepy darkcorners of the Internet, Like, if

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you weren't actively seeking that out,it took a lot to stumble across it,
unless if somebody else showed it toyou. You had to actively be
seeking out this stuff. Maybe itcame up and you're recommended, but you
still had to click it, likeright right, if you didn't hear about
it, you didn't know about it. Like a lot of this stuff will

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very easily fly under the radar,but everybody knows Sesame Street, you know.
So I think, like, likeI said, comparing the two nostalgias
in terms of like where it resonatesof these two different series, I think
that's where it really, you know, divides. I suppose it's pulling from

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two very different sources, right,No, I agree, I agree.
I think, like you said,it's just I think the approachability with don't
Hug Me, I'm Scared is morethere than it is with this. I
think that the intent of this isto kind of keep you out at arm's
length. I think don't Hug me, I'm Scared is meant to bring you

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in. But also, like asyou get closer, you realize that,
like maybe that picture isn't what itactually looks like, like this is felt
feels like it's very much keeping youat an arm's length. Yeah, you
know what I mean, and likeit's intentional, right almost to the point
of non existence. That's fair,you know. I mean again, like

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I'm not trying to drag this,but more just speak to the idea of
like, if they're using the showto tackle serious topics, then they're doing
a really good job. I thinkof being vague enough where things can mean
multiple things, but in terms oflike traditional storytelling, there is not a
traditional narrative. Definitely, it isright, so right, and I think

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for not a lot of people,but I think for some people that might
be an immediate jumping off point beforethey eat it, of course, yet
a minute in and I think thatagain, like I said, that's what,
in my mind is like keeping youat an arms link. That's I
think. What's really fascinating about thisshow specifically is that each episode is in

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it of itself, its own characterstudy, and you can view it individually.
As such, it does lack theoverarching narrative, but it has self
contained narratives. And I don't rememberpast this point. If it starts to
connect a little bit more, Iwill tell you now you will have a

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ton of answers at the end,and you will probably never know what the
end a ton of questions at theend, you will never know what those
answers are. So it's I'm preparedfor that speculation, and I think it
was meant to do so, youknow, David, when creating this,
I think definitely wanted people to discussit and put their own spins on what

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they think the meeting would be.Whereas I think, like with Don't Have
Me, I'm scared, it feelsmore like a mystery where they're giving you
all the puzzle pieces and like it'sup to the community to like put it
together and there is a definitive answereventually, And that's what I think Don't
Have Me is building up towards,right. I don't think that this has

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a definitive answer. If anything,it has a nebulous answer, which I'm
again like, I'm I'm perfectly finewith frankly, like, you know,
so I'm okay with that, youknow, I don't. I don't need
them to answer everything, thankfully,but I understand the trepidation of anyone getting

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involved watching something like this where theywatch it and at the end They're just
like, what the fuck was allthis? Like, what the fuck was
any of this? And like Icould I could see that more with this
than I could with down hug mens. Yeah, but again, I feel
like this is such a unique,uniquely specific thing that like that was always
going to be the case. Soagain, I appreciate that you wanted to

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watch this, because I never wouldhave watched this something. I mean,
that's what that's a fucking comes downto. Is I am culturing you.
I have Internet culturing you again,a fucking Petrie Dish culture. But uh,
dustin any thoughts before we continue onto the next episode. You know,

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I've just kind of stuck on whatthe hell came out of his stomach?
That's a good question. Well,I mean it was a baby,
I think, well, it wasa mass it was something. So while
you guys, do you think Iwas just gonna say, do you think
it's meant to represent an abortion orstill birth? I don't know, maybe

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maybe a miscarried. I mean,I know I would ask him that would
well, I don't know what thatwould say about salad fingers. So I
think solid Fingers is definitely confirmed tobe a male. And I think at
this point. It's just that hevacillates between roles as he's reliving trauma,

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okay, which, ah no,it doesn't. Well, I was just
gonna say I was I was thinkingmore literal with it. I was just
trying to think of all the weirdthings Solad thinkers have been as been eating
throughout the episode. That's a goodpoint, and here we are that everything

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he's been, all of you craphe's been eating, bursting it because he
hasn't exactly the picture of elf.You no, I wouldn't styled off screen.
Maybe, I mean, he doesrefer to that thing that popped out

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of him as his child. Maybesymbolically it is meant to represent some kind
of either either it is supposed tobe like a baby via c section or
an abortion or a still birth.I mean, obviously it bursting out of
his stomach to me represents some sortof you know, sea section being performed.

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But in terms of like if somethingis actually it's so hard to say,
like what is actually happening and whatisn't right? And I think that's
also where Chris You're probably struggling themost. I mean, it's where everybody
is struggling is discerning what's what's meantto be reality in this realm? But
well, I'm just struggling to figureout if it Mattter is more of mine.

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That's because like, why are youdoing this? Like what in what
scope in regards to the narrative doesthis matter that there's like dream sequences and
stuff, Because again, like I'mcool with dream sequences and out of step
storytelling and chronologically disjointed storytelling, butit needs to be serving some purpose,

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and it's just it feels like again, like the purpose David Firth knows the
purpose if there is one, doyou know what I mean? Like,
but I do think that's that's whatdo you think? It's a really interesting
point dustin that like saying like ifthis, if what had happened to his
stomach, you know, if thatwas an actual thing that has happened in

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his reality and not a dream sequence, not a hallucination, not a representation,
but actual thing, it would makesense that it's from all the shit
he's been eating and touching. Itmakes a lot of sense. I honestly,
that is not something that I've thoughtof before, because so much of
this, as I said, isso nebulous and speculative that I often forget

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to remind myself what could and couldnot be reality, and I sort of
just take everything at face value andthink everything at this point is a hallucination,
which isn't I don't think is true, but it's the easier way to
think about it. Well, andagain to what end right, Like at
the end, he's cleaning the windowwith the name the Sandwich. It was

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strange, all thanks strange when Iwas saying, but I mean, I
think a really interesting part towards theend of that episode though, was the
fact that he was intending on givingthis child, this baby, to an
to potentially this you know babies.Ant approaches a figure in the wasteland who,

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like every other living potentially living creaturein this story, none of them
speak except probably I think that therewas one little girl in an episode earlier
on that did speak, but everybodyelse sort of just has sounds or mumbles
or screeches. But he approaches thisperson, question Mark, intending initially to

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give over the child and then decidesnot to. And I think that's a
really interesting point. Why wouldn't heand so what might that represent? And
I think you know then using thisquote unquote baby grows this thing that was

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ripped from his stomach to then washa window. And like, I think
that that probably has a deeper meaning. Could be again, could be abuse,
could be representing forcing you know,a child to do those types of
things and reliving that. There area lot of ways to interpret it,

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but I do think it if wewere to point out, like one really
interesting thing is why wouldn't he wantto give away the child after everything?
Saying that he couldn't take care ofit, saying that he's in poor health,
knowing that's apparently that somebody else couldhave taken the child in Yeah,

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and chose not to a switch likethat into what you're saying. It's like,
rather than get rid of saying thathe thinks as a child, rid
of it, put it to use, use it for something, Yeah,
make it work for it in somecapacity. Interesting, I feel like there

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is a there is a point there, right, It all feels too intentional
to not be Like again, likethe symbolism is kind of there, like
you have to what yeah, andlike look at that represent like being blind

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blinding yourself to something like Yeah,every every detail, I feel like you
could comb through each episode with afine tooth comb and like write them out
and like maybe once it's in listform, you know, separating it all
out from like all the weird thatjust like hypnotizes you the whole time makes

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it hard to you know, thinkfurther past what you're seeing. If you
were to take all of those symbolsand just write them on paper and define
what they could mean, I thinkwe'd probably get closer to an answer.
Well, there's a lot of children, there's a lot of finger puppets.
I mean, that's a reoccurring theme. So yeah, I'm I'm excited.

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I mean it's as excited as Ican be to watch the next episode.
And so just to it, whichwhich is titled Birthday. Uh cool,
it was just my birthday. Sosolid Solid Fingers is celebrating a birthday,
Shupert Cumberdale's birthday, but Milford Cubicleisn't feeling so well. This episode was

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posted a while ago. Say,isn't that's not right? Isn't can't be
right? Says says March of West. But be a re upload. The

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uptick and animation quality has made Davidfar too powerful. Like six Salad fingers
running around. So yeah, it'sa little much, I think again,
ultimately, when you watch something likethis again, like you know, try
as you may, try as youmight, am I'm still failing to see

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the nere that's tim all right,all right, al right, I think
it's but it's not your I'm notsaying that's your friends. I'm saying it's
like I'm saying, it's just likethe thing with this is, I'm actually
surprised on the tenth episode that thislasted as long as it did with in
my opinion, doing as little asit really has of like saying anything really

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that's fair, which is in andof itself impressive, Like that's that is
a impressive feat is to be ableto just be genuinely quote entertaining unquote and
not necessarily be trying to, youknow, change people's mindset about climate change
or familial trauma. So I havea question for you. What upset you

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about the teeth so much? So, fucking gir Was it really that gross?
It really was? It was itwas those teeth being those teeth going
back and forth while he's cranking isjust gross teeth stuff gross. See that's
what I wanted to get to thebottom of did you have like a weird
issue with weird teeth stuff? DidI have a weird issue with teeth stuff?

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When I was four or five yearsold? Uh? You know,
you know at the playground above theslide, there's like that metal bar you
swing on. I definitely didn't faceplant into that by accident and smash out
my forefront teeth as like a fiveyear old. My god, and have
was back to childhood. We areunpacking childhood trava. And I had the

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shards jammed into my gums to thepoint where they had to give me thirteen
shots in my mouth to then extricatethe teeth shards from my face. I
learned something new about you today.Yeah, I wore childhood dentures, Oh
my god. Yeah, because Ihad, I was missing my forefront teeth
so and thankfully they were baby teeth, not adult teeth. But yeah,

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I maybe have some teeth stuff.I can see why. Yeah, it
grosses me out. And like Igrind my teeth at night. I have
to wear like a little sing inmy mouth when I go to bed.
So I don't know teeth me andteeth not, that's my thing, Like
my wife's thing is stuff in theeyes, like my stuff is like tease.
Wow. I don't know if Ihave a specific body part that I

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associate with discomfort, that's fair,that'sn't What about why you dustin? It's
a body just killed pert just likesomething of a specific body part, like
when they when something does something weirdwith it, some freak you out when

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that was weird. But teeth stuffdoesn't bother me. In fact, I
love going to the deddist, butdrew me harder. Daddy is not something
dust and says on ironically, youknow if you look to the top of
your foot and you know that,like see the veins. Ah wait wait,

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let me get the visual all right, looking, if anyone were to
press on those veins on the topof my foot, it's freaked out.
Really, that's random. That's evenmore random than teeth stuff. That is
oddly. But this is this isimportant. Can we trace it back to

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child? I have no idea.That's just is it because they're really weird?
Onmin it doesn't matter if it's somebodyelse's foot. No, it's just
my foot, just your foot.Huh. So is it just that part
of your foot or is it yourwhole foot that you don't like being touched.
I'm just asking it's just just thoseveins, just for when we're in

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the sensory deprivations together, Dustin,do you like having your feet touched?
No, stay on that side ofto take for me. Rub and if
her and she knows us about me, and uh, sometimes she'll do it
to where she'd make she's funny,but she'll like run her thumbs are something

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across and I'll just be like,oh. And it takes everything in Dustin's
power to not accident. I wasgonna say, like, that's axed way
to get like kicked in the face. Literally, your teeth go flying through
the air after you're accidently plunted inthe pH It all comes back to teeth,
right, Salad fingers? All right, all right, I don't know,

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I don't know what to make ofwhat happened to that episode, but
by the end of it there wasa table of salad finger there was I
think before we get to that,what did you think about the horses?
Okay, I don't know what wasgoing on here, folks, but there
was a little monster that killed ahorse or dug its way into a horse.

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And it was doctor and it waspuppet Doctor Monster. This like puppy
Baby Monkey. Now, I mean, we're at the point with this show
where like all bets are off interms of what we can expect to be
happening, and so at this point, like a horse being ripped apart by

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a little creature with hooks for hands, par for the course. I feel
like at this point it nothing inthe show will surprise me. Right,
I don't even remember this episode really. I remember the salad fingers table salad
fingers at the end. I didnot remember the horses. And yet it

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did not shake me. I meanit was pretty gnarly, but I mean
again, like I've seen worse thingsthan just like a horror movie. Yeah,
I mean, at the end ofthe day, it's just animation,
right, it is gnarly, thoughit is gross, and again this this
animation style, there is a levelof just ick ickiness to this animation style.

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Anyways, I mean that's an intentof David Firth to make it kind
of look grimy and gross. Hedoes not, and that's received right by
me as an audience member. Butuh, yeah, no, just so
much is gross stuff in this show. But I'm solomuch. I'm wondering what
the horse is represented. I wouldsay that like the moment it hit,

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like the scene with the doctor,that's like that has to be a point
of hallucination that like in everything onwardfrom that point to me is either a
dream sequence or just straight up visualhallucinations after visual hallucinations, Like I can't

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imagine anything that happened after he firstfound the doctor puppet happening in this in
his actual reality, right, Ithink it has to be like a dream
or something. It seems too etherealto be real oddly enough for this show,
yes, right. I mean Ifeel like this show telegraphs when it's

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doing the dream sequence stuff pretty prettywell. I think it nails it for
the most part. You know,I don't think it. I don't think
it leans on the laziest of thingswhere it's like is it a dream or
not? When it's a dream,it's a dream. It's pretty obvious it's
a dream. It's not like,oh and Salad Fingers wakes up and it's
actually just Willem Dafoe like, it'snot that, like it's it's not gonna

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be that it Okay, if thatwas the ending. If that was the
ending, I'd be like, thatis, without a doubt, the wildest
shit I've seen all year. II really want to know what the horses
represent. Obviously, he has ahorse figurine that he named Horace, and

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then I which, if you say, a really fast force, which makes
me wonder if he knew somebody namedHorace. He assigned that to this figuring
of a horse because of that connection. But regardless, when he returns to
his house, it is quite literallyfilled with horses, right, a live

(37:06):
ones, one stuffed in the cupboard, in the drawer, And I think
that's what really solidified it for meas a dream sequence or hallucination, Like,
okay, for horses to be stuffedinto a drawer, I think like
that, that's really like where wekind of got to draw the line.

(37:27):
Yeah, I mean, if you'regonna draw the line anywhere, why not
why not that the horse is beingstuffed into a drawer, right, I
mean we didn't see how they gotthere, and I don't think other horses
would be able to stuff a horseinto a drawer. And that's a dream
sequence, right, say so,I would say all of the all of
all of the living horses and allof the ones in the cupboards and in
the drawers. I think all ofthat has to be a hallucination. But

(37:51):
my question is why what would horsesreprace set it's anything, right, I'm
gonna google. I'm gonna I'm gonnagoogle right now. I'm WAZZI dof a
horse represent his I want to knowwhat it represents in a dream a horse,

(38:13):
freedom of your spirit, freedom torun and be wild. Meat.
I have had horse meat before.It's not bad. I think we as
Americans are a little touchy on thekinds of things that we are allowing to
eat because they breed horses in thiscountry and they send them overseas to eat

(38:36):
them. So so ie, horsesaren't being bred in this country to be
eaten. They're just not being eatenhere. So for the most part,
what I'm getting from my googling isthat they represent strength and freedom. And
that's the case. If it isfreedom, I think that would make probably

(39:00):
the most sense. Is it supposedto be a reminder that he is not
free, okay, you know,from whatever is plaguing his mind. I
mean that is a reach in myown opinion, I'm making a reach but
it seems like a very odd symbolto fixate on so harshly, Like I

(39:25):
feel like for the first time too, like this is I mean, like
we've talked about rust, and we'vetalked about nails and drawing blood and hair
and all of that, but likethis is the first time that like we've
seen just a shitload of something livingthat should not be there and there everywhere,

(39:47):
just out of nowhere, just manifestingas if they had always been there,
and it just why horses. Iguess in that case, it could
have been anything. But I feellike there has to be a deeper mean.
I feel like there has to bethere's got to be a deeper meaning.
So all out and then just chooseto hang out with himself, he

(40:13):
rejects freedom. Maybe he rechecks freedomand chooses to then go sit at the
table with his quote unquote platoon,therefore staying in his past. Question,
Martin, they just all look quitecan right, and they're not letting go

(40:35):
of the past, That's what Iwould assume. And so it seems like
a literal attempt for him to rejectfreeing his own mind in favor of living
in the past. And I thinkthe fact that they are all of the
versions of himself. You know,if this is meant to represent his platoon

(40:59):
in the great are that they keepmentioning? You know, why are they
all like unhinged and more so thanusual than what we expect, But you
know, eating brains and looking moregrotesque than usual and smashing an eyeball consistently.
And I think it's just supposed tobe a representation of Yes, this

(41:19):
is his platoon, but it isnot a good thing. Him staying in
the past is quite clearly not goodfor him. I think, if anything,
that's probably at least for me.I think that's all that represents.
I don't know, Destin, whatdo you think, Well, I've known
this also, that all the othercell figures at the table that may that

(41:40):
all some of them have by uhbowles in their head like the brains them.
They're eating parts of themselves. Andthere was an earlier episode where he
was chewing on his own head.Oh yes, yes, I do remember

(42:00):
that. Hulluh self harm, selfcannibalism, auto cannibalism in your brain or
whatever that might be. Conster Imetaphorically self sabotage question. I mean again,

(42:29):
I feel like I feel like that'sis this the closest bad on I
mean I think that that. Imean again, I think in a lot
of ways for me, this isjust one of those things where it's like,
ultimately, at the end of theday, like have they given us
enough to really have a concrete answer. Not yet. I think if anything,

(42:52):
there is like a single thing thatwe know for sure, and that
is that whoever this character is servedin a war and now whatever he is
living in is the aftermath of setwar. And I think that is the
only truth that we can rely on. Yeah, and everything else's symbolism past

(43:14):
that point see war Trella, whichwould make the most sense to me.
I mean they bring up the warin almost every single episode in one way
or another, and I think likethis is the first time that like it
was like like we really saw howmuch it matters to him. He was

(43:34):
so happy to see that table ofhimself that represented as platoon. He was
so grateful to see them again,like those were his glory days, right.
Interesting. Yeah, I again,the whole like war aspect of this
and what does that mean to thecharacter? I mean, like you said,

(43:54):
I'm like, it's the one thingwe know for certain. Maybe the
only thing we ever know for certain, frankly, like and much left at
this point, maybe the only otherconstant is that he is deeply disturbed in
some way or another. I thinkthat's it. Yeah, And I mean

(44:16):
again, they've given us stuff,but I don't think they've given us anything
concrete enough to really say like,oh, well, this is what this
means definitively, or that's what thisis and we can verify it like this
all is just kind of like,well, this is kind of like this
and kind of like this, sowe kind of think this and like,
I'm okay with that, you know. I think David Firth would probably say

(44:39):
very similarly to other creators who makethings like this, Oh, I don't
want to tell you what the meaningis because then it would diminish what you
think could be exactly. I thinkit's surprised to mean something a little bit
different everybody, which is why it'sso vague in its symbolism. I think
David is welcoming speculation like that isa part of the experience. To speculate

(45:02):
is part of the experience, right, So do you want to do one
more? Which I appreciate, bythe way, like I always want to
put that out there, like Ido appreciate that he is making content that
he wants to make unabashedly, likeyou know, and we could I would
think we could say that about don'thug me. I'm scared as well.

(45:22):
Like even when they changed from YouTubeto the show, still making the content
that they wanted to make, Justlike when this went from new Grounds to
YouTube, the content hasn't changed.It's frankly gotten better quality wise. Agreed,
Uh, Dustin, what do youthink? Do you want to do
one more? Or you want toend it here look at or more?

(45:45):
Okay? So, or let's doone more and we're going to bring it
to the next episode. The penultimate episode of Salad, Fingers and Boy
was posted four years ago, andmy god, folks, it has a
supported by the patrioids on Patreon,which is just like actually mind blowing that

(46:10):
this show started in This show startedwhen I was fourteen, and it ended
when I was thirty two, alot of time in the making. I
feel like this would be great tolike revive and like the last episode ends

(46:31):
and like an always sunny and Philadelphiaepisode and Charlie wakes up and it was
all his dream because he's always burninggarbage and halo and so that it can
go into the air and make stars. Since all a big dream. Yeah,
I know that's about I would be. Yeah, I would be.

(46:55):
It's literally what I just said wouldreally suck. If the show did,
yes, I would be absolutely livid, and I would not have shared it
with you if if that was thecase, I might have still shared it
with you, but with the caveatof you're going to hate the ending.
Yeah. Yeah. I have afriend who tried to get me to watch
the TV show Merlin, and hesaid the same thing. This is different.

(47:17):
I would watch twelve short episodes ofthis. I would never watch like
A I would never like I wouldnever watch Game of Thrones anymore like the
original show, because someone's like,oh, it ends really poorly, and
it's like, why would I evenwaste any of my time watching it?
Like why would I waste a singleminute watching something that has like a really
like on a like across the board, everyone's unanimous that it was a bad

(47:37):
ending. That's like how if SaladFingers woke up in a dream and he
was Homer Simpson, I'd be like, Wow, this is a fucking piece
of show. That is how Ifelt with the Netflix Sabrina series. It
is, yeah, have you haveyou seen it? I I know,
I know what ends up happening,and I know that a lot of people

(47:58):
were really not happy after all ofthat, after everything awful, Like hey,
I watched Dexter and I watched eightseasons of that show only for it
to shit the bed about as hardas you could shit a bed. So
and Game of Throne. So nowI'm just so pissed because I got y

(48:19):
On into it while I was likehalfway through, so I was watching it
on my own and like he wastrying to catch up, and then like
I got to the ending, itI was like, stop, it is
not just stop, We're not watching. We're not watching any more of this.
Yeah, I get it, Iget it. I'm I'm hopeful that
these two episodes, you know,this one and then when we come back

(48:42):
and finish the last one, willmaybe answer questions, give us more questions.
Who knows. But it just cracksme up that we're sitting and looking
at a Patreon advertisement on salad fingersbecause all of this feels so distant,
right, like, oh, it'sstarted in two thousand and four on new

(49:04):
Grounds and then here it's like Patreon, and like, I know, Patreon
ain't that old because Patreon has onlyexisted since I've started podcasting, so something
something like that. If if thatso, because Patreon existed around the same
time as like Kickstarter, so probablylike ten eleven years. So it's just
funny because like here we are,souad Fingers is a Patreon product now.

(49:28):
So I will say that the veryleast after we are all well, after
all a sudden done with this seriesthat we cap it out there, Matt
pattit at film series game theory didcover it, so at least he got
to dive into some some at leasthis personal favorite theories. So you have

(49:52):
that's a I think that has tobe. I think that has to be.
Obviously, the statement that's used islike personal right, because I I
don't there is no way David firstokay, okay, and David Firth has
ever said it. I'm he mighthave confirmed a few things I don't.
I think he might have like commentedand confirmed something I don't remember, but
the rest of it has remained unconfirmedas far as I know. All Right,

(50:16):
Well, let's do it with that. With that out of the way,
we'll watch the eleventh and penultimate episodesof Souad Fingers. It was posted
four years ago in twenty nineteen sixpoint three million views, and it is
titled The Last Brother and Ladies andGentlemen. This is the longest episode of
Solid Fingers, clocking in at awhopping fifteen minutes. So if we were

(50:40):
wondering if it could support the narrativebefore, it's gonna be bought. It
foot to the test. So herewe go. We have a new Salad

(51:04):
Fingers. We are now in glassBrother timeline. Yeah, that was wild.
I don't I don't so. Yeah, there's like an alternate dimension that
you go through a mirror. Itwas introduced in the eleventh episode of a

(51:28):
twelve episode show. Yep, rightright, Like, I think you are
taking it probably more literally than itshould be. I mean, it's literally
a mirror that he goes through,though I think it's important to remember that

(51:49):
this still could all be this bitcould be within his mind as well.
This could be Oh sure, sureof course. I just so. It's
a very interesting metaphor for trauma.Okay, I mean again, I still
I would be inclined to agree withyou that. I think more or less

(52:12):
everything in this show is about trauma, I think so, and how one
process is it or deals with it, or however you want to perceive,
however you handle having trauma happen toyou. I think part of it is
that. I mean, obviously,this episode of Solad Fingers has painted Solid
Fingers is a much more sympathetic characterthan I think any of the other episodes

(52:34):
have. Definitely, for sure,well flesh boy will do that to you.
I mean, Flush Boy's great.I will say, how does that
mean? Chris? You know Ihave a soft spot for little flesh boys
because in Uh and Don't Have MeScared, we had Stane Edwards, the
Forever Boy, who was technically alsoa little flesh or something about that character

(53:04):
trope that has appeared obviously in bothof these shows. They're just there,
there's a zest for life just intheir cute little face. And they're cute
little face well stayed out ards isadorable. Objectively, Yeah, this character
is ugly and weird and then issmashed in glass and licked by Solid Fingers.

(53:27):
Glass Brother Salad Fingers. So whatdo you guys think about that this
whole glass brother glass mother thing,Well, what do you think your glass
brother would represent? It's think youshadow, So that's how I interpret it,
right, And I'm your friend andyou've told me about it, so
that's how I'm interpreting it. Ithink if we are too, I mean

(53:53):
okay. So towards the beginning,salad Fingers asks if if he could cut,
he doesn't want to be alone anymore. He wants to return to glass
brother and glass mother, which againto me, seems like rejecting freedom right,

(54:15):
choosing to stay, embracing the abuse, choosing to stay trapped within your
own mind, Stockholm syndrome, youknow, esque trauma, and I,
as you said, your shadow self, I would I mean, obviously glass
brother salad Fingers seems more confident,seems more sure of himself. Definitely is

(54:37):
meaner to the solid fingers that weknow. He has no patience for salad
Fingers being weak. And I thinkit's an interesting metaphor for the you know,
the parts of yourself, you know, the weak part of yourself,
the you know, the fight flight, freeze, fawn part of yourself,

(55:00):
and then the part of you thatdoes want to break free, that does
want to grow and do better foryourself, and I think Salad Fingers has
locked that part of himself away andit is escaped in favor of the weak

(55:20):
version of salad Fingers. Interesting,So you think that the Glass Brother is
the one that we've been seeing thiswhole time, I wouldn't say so.
I think we've been following normal SaladFingers the entire time, and he has
been hiding Glass Brother and Glass Motherfrom us. Okay, Thane, I

(55:46):
mean it makes sense again, towhat end do Glass Brother and Glass Mother
matter to him? If you wantright to him? But Glass Mother shows
up in this episode, and againwe're not I'm not sure what her point
is other than being a stereotypical overbearingmother figure, which again immensely relatable for

(56:07):
a lot of people. So Iget why they would include something like that,
and they still kept a small pieceof her in the little case the
d rubbed with his blood. Thatis also a really good point is that
he he went out of his wayto destroy the mirror as much as possible,

(56:29):
grind it into a dust, buthe kept one small piece and locked
it away, And I think thatshows that even though he is entered into
a more confident version of himself,a version of himself that does want to
break free. There is still thatpart of him that can't let go right,

(56:53):
no matter what he does. Exactly, it's really hard to let go
of your past and makes you wonderwhat the blood represents. He cuts himself
on the glass shard that contains glassmother and smears that blood over the piece

(57:14):
of glass, and I'm wondering.I mean, my first thought is,
like, is that like a bloodis thicker than water type metaphor m that's
it. Yeah, I mean,choosing to keep something that hurts you,

(57:35):
choosing to hurt yourself, to keepthat part of your life intact right,
which in and of itself is totallyway Mother can keep hurting it. And
it's the way that she keeps ahold over his life as much as again
that he allows her to as well. Obviously, because again he clearly has

(58:00):
some semblance of free will. Heis able to create life from from no
life. So salad Fingers is aagain It's he's an interesting character because there
is a level of nuance here thatis finally coming through, where he is

(58:20):
a somewhat sympathetic, possibly completely sympatheticcharacter I mean, I think it's important
to remember that while being sympathetic,you can still be horrible in your own
special way. Right. Well again, I mean keep him at an arm's
length, right like you know,do I feel bad? Sure? Isn't

(58:43):
enough for me to want to behis friend? I don't think so.
No. Now, Hubert from Humberdale, Oh no, no, no,
no, just don't know Hubert Cumberdale. Nos. Ugh. Yeah, that
that little flesh creature man is somehowgrosser than most of the things we've seen

(59:07):
in this show. It didn't botherme that much. You just like those
little fleshy creatures that run around ontheir little way. It was the voice,
the voice diod it for that's fair. It's just so innocent, I
will say. We mentioned it whilewe were watching it. Uh man,
The show looks good now, Likeif you like, imagine episode one in

(59:30):
comparison to this, right, Episodeone was like literally done in like MS
paint. This is clearly like animatedin the computer because there is a level
of like three dimensionalness to the characterthat there has not been up until this
point at all. It's very muchappreciated, at least I appreciate I think

(59:52):
at this point, it's starting tofeel like a very well put together feed
for dream, right, as opposedto like this weird thing on the internet
you stumbled onto like I. Forme personally, this is the episode I
remembered the most. This is theepisode I feel is the most compelling out
of all of them. As yousaid, a lot of them felt like
meandering. I think, you know, it was a lot of world building

(01:00:16):
and introductions to character, all culminatinginto something like this, And I think
that this episode is the most understandable, albeit still confusing in its own way.
Obviously, you know it again,it's hard to discern reality from metaphor

(01:00:40):
from hallucination. You know, didhe actually create a little fleshboy who knows
right right? Exactly? Does he? It? Ultimately? Does it matter?
Right? Like? Right? Itdoes? I think that is a
good point. I think when itcomes to Hubert, I don't think it
does matter. I think he couldprobably take that or leave that. I've

(01:01:05):
for me personally, the kind ofI kind of am leaning towards he in
reality he is real to an extend. I don't know, because then he
no, because then he references GlassBrother and interacts with Glass Brother, right,

(01:01:27):
and if we're if we're working ontothe assumption the glass brother is a
metaphor for your shadow self. That'swhat I think. Then maybe Hubert is
supposed to represent a different part ofsalad fingers, the innocent side of salad
fingers, you know, projecting,you know, the childhood he wished he

(01:01:47):
could have had. Maybe, right, yeah, I mean I could I
could see that. I mean,he there is that point where he looks
into the mirror and he says tohimself, he calls himself, you were
Cumberdale. So did he again,like yeah, he like looked into the
mirror and said it, like straightup. It's like very early. It

(01:02:08):
was like very early on every episode. Hey, t I guess I guess
it's like the shot reverse shot.That's confusing me because we reveal it or

(01:02:30):
on that like in this context classbrother. You know, it can operate
separate from the reflection, and soit's basically just as the mirror is a
stand in for where he just wouldhave been looking potentially at the finger puppet.
That's hard, that's hard for meto say. It could be both.

(01:02:52):
I mean again, so coincidence thatlater in the episode he is talking
to someone in a mirror. Thatis why it stuck out to me.
Like you mentioned, there is acharacter later in the episode who's literally in
the mirror. It's interesting. Idon't know if I've seen a theory that

(01:03:13):
says like that Hubert is salad fingers. Is you know that Hubert Cumberdale,
this finger puppet is a stand infor solid fingers and salad fingers has just
disassociated from his own identity, whichwould be really interesting. Well, that's
kind of where I thought this wasgoing and is going. Is like,

(01:03:35):
you know, he has these likefinger puppets and other people that he's talking
to, and I've never been convincedthat the real people like it could just
be like figments of his imagination whichhe's creating. And again there's literally him
talking into a mirror at one pointthinking he's talking to someone else that also
looks like him. So it's justhard to know, you know. Oh

(01:03:57):
yeah, definitely I liked this.I think I'm with you though. I
liked this episode the most death.Like I it's the most compelling, it
makes the most sense narratively, butit's also just like the coolest journey out
of all of them, right,I agree? It tells a story that

(01:04:20):
is infinitely more interesting and I thinkimpactful than any of the other episodes.
And it's fifteen minutes, but itdoesn't feel like No, it felt like
at most like ten. Yeah.Then it felt it felt like it was
better paced than the last episode,which was actually shorter than this one.

(01:04:40):
I had the moment, Yeah,the last one felt longer than this one,
for sure. I had a momentwhere I wondered if wearance sort of
like weird timeline and joke because theflesh boy is the same size as the
thing that came bad, it couldsellic and he was eating that black porridge.

(01:05:03):
Yeah, couldn't help. But wonderboy, there's some weird connection with
the black porridge, either Coverdale orfirst attempt that you know may it really
was his first attempt to making alittle companion you mean and you mean two

(01:05:26):
episode was it to it? Orlast episode where it's that little thing that
pops out of him, Yeah,two episodes ago. Last episode was hoarse
after he eats he were Cumberdale.Good. Yeah. I again, the
chronology of the show is not II have had a question as to what

(01:05:50):
the chronology of the show is.This whole time because it's it doesn't seem
like there is any like rhyme orreason, really, like I don't know
what takes place after anything else,or if any of this takes place before
anything, or again if any ofthat even matters. It reminds me of
that of the theme and Don't HugMe, where it's like at the end

(01:06:13):
of the episode, everything is putright back to where it was, Like
it's like a reset. Every episodealmost feels like a reset anything that's happened
to him, you know, wemove on to the next episode and it
no longer is affecting him. Playson sitcom logic, right, Yeah,
have to come back to the startat the end of every episode. So

(01:06:35):
in that case, there wouldn't reallybe a chronological order. Each story would
just be self contained. But Iwant to believe that there has to be
some kind of right chronology to someof this. I mean, we didn't
think that there was a chronology todon't Hug Me, I'm Scared, but
there ended up being one. Somaybe it's just a matter of like there

(01:06:59):
iss one but it doesn't matter.Is probably kind of what I feel like
it may be. Unless if literallyall of this is taking place in his
mind is just one massive hallucination,which is not my favorite interpretation, but

(01:07:20):
I don't like any interpretation where he'sa hallucination or there's a hallucinatory aspect to
it, like that just feels likea copy. That's fair. But I
think like when talking about like,I think it's important to come to the
conclusion of is this supposed to belike a supernatural esque world where weird things

(01:07:43):
can actually happen? Or is itsupposed to just all be metaphors for mental
health? Because I think that isprobably like the switch for me, because
again, like I said, Ithink everything with Glass brother and Glass Mother
is an extensive metaphor obviously, butI also think like that is an internal

(01:08:04):
struggle within the realm of the show, not an external struggle. And so
how much of this is internal?Is he actually living in a dystopian healthscape?
Like are any of the characters thatwe have met are they even real?

(01:08:26):
Like it really brings into question thereality of this world because that continuity
never really felt truly established because thatline was so blurred from the beginning,
right, But in a way,I think that also is something that it

(01:08:49):
does successfully because it feels more thanintentional, Like if the intention was to
confuse the shit out of us,it was done beautifully. Ye. Well,
and again it always begs the questionin my mind. It's like,

(01:09:10):
was it done intentionally to do thisor just they were like, well,
if we do this at this point, they will have no idea what to
think, Like, I guess that'stechnically the same thing, but at the
same time, it's just the intentbehind it. It's if you do it
intentionally or if you're just doing itto do it. I feel like at
this point they're like, we havethe opportunity to really do something with this
narrative, and I think we shouldand I think it works. Like again,

(01:09:33):
they're hitting on the things that they'vealready talked about, but tying it
together in a more satisfying way thanthey have before. They actually seem like
they care about having something in between. The moments were solid finger fingers isn't
just being weird. There are thingsgoing on, like and that's very apparent

(01:09:55):
in this episode and has been missingin every other episode. But I understand
why thes are what they are,Like this is twenty nineteen. Yeah,
look at how good this is now, Like you know, like this is
such a far cry from where wewere. It's like, I wish that
there were more episodes like this,but there's only one more, which is

(01:10:15):
why we got to savor it.I know, I know, I really
want to know what happens, butI get the distinct feeling that it's just
going to be disappointing, not becauseit's like not going to be good,
but just because I'm at the pointnow where I do want to see more
and there's only one episode much andit's not going to do enough for you.
Well, I don't think it's goingto do enough. I think there's

(01:10:35):
way too many questions that have beenasked in directions that they've gone to have
any sort of satisfying conclusion. Yeah. I mean, that's a pretty open
world that they've created, Like thisis one of those you paint yourself into
a different kind of corner, whichis there are too many directions to go,
so none of them are going toseem satisfying. Yeah, that's fair.

(01:10:56):
But I've come around on this immensely, so thank you, Emma.
I honestly, I think it's theselast two episodes that made me want to
share this more than anything, Ifnot for these two episodes. I think
I still would have shown you onlyfor the fact of this is internet history.

(01:11:17):
But right I think like this waslike, this is what made me
want to put it high up onthe list. That's fair, which I
totally get. So so what areyour final thoughts? Du Justin Kay.
I don't really know, but Imean that's said a lot if we watch

(01:11:43):
these, but I do. Iam kind of sold on the back that
there's some family TRIALO maybe or yousee, like we mentioned before, I've
sold on that area of things thatI still try to search for connection through
episode episode It's yeah, I getwhy people like it for sure, but

(01:12:15):
I think I think maybe the bestthing about this is that it is kind
of standalone. You can just watchthem out of order. Yeah, you
know, don't hug me. I'mscared. There gets a point where you
can't watch them out of order exactly. You have to keep watching them chronologically,
which is why I keep asking thiswhole like chronological thing, because if
this is its own standalone every episode, that makes us infinitely more watchable than

(01:12:38):
don't hug me, I'm scared unlesswe're talking like the early stuff, but
like every episode of this has beenmore or less self contained like you mentioned.
Yeah, so that is I thinka huge plus or you know,
check in the pro column for thisshow, because again, like you can
watch a four minute episode and getabout as much solid fingers as you would

(01:12:58):
in a fifteen minute I would agree. So I mean, so we got
one left. It's it's really hardto draw a conclusion without the final installment.
So right, I'm excited to seewhat you think of it once it
comes to a close, whether ornot you think it is disappointing, only

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for the sake of you know,it was it able to do enough?
You know, was it able toneatly tie some semblance of a bow or
just give you with more questions thanyou came in with, because that,
I think for a series like this, if the last episode makes you question

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things even more than you already were, which is a lot, I don't
know if that does it justice.I feel like that's more frustrating than anything,
because it feels like, you know, like what was I on the
jury for right? Which and againlike for me, I have been on
this journey. Now it feels likemore to just experience a show that I

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have heard about but never watch likemy like I've been saying, like,
my expectations, I feel like arevery different now than what they used to
be with this show. I'm nowjust enjoying it for what it is,
not trying to find some sort oflike overarching story or something, because even
if they are doing it, they'renot doing it in a way that it's

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like intrusive to everything else, andeverything else is still pretty interesting and entertaining
and unique. So you know,it's it's singularly solad fingers and that's you
know, a good a good andbad thing depending on how you look at
it. It is very unique andyet so reminiscent of its time. Yeah,

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and it does feel weird that it'slike around in twenty twenty two.
It's something like this being created recently. It feels very strange, I would
agree. Yeah, it's like aholdover of a time past where people were
really like this was mainstream, Likethis is not mainstream anymore, like in

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any remote context. So it's it'sinteresting, you know. I'm I'm excited
to see where the final episode goes. I don't have any preconceived notions of
what we're going to get out ofit, but it is titled post Man
like after Man, So who knows. I'm I'm excited to see where this
where this ends up, and I'mexcited to see where we go after salad

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fingers because you know, there's there'smore things on the Internet than just don't
hug me. I'm scared in saladfingers so shocking, I know. So
so until the next time you hearthe three of us doing a surreal tube
together. You can find us overat weirdingwie media dot com, where this
show is downloadable on all platforms whereveryou get podcasts. You can find this

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show like Rayton View the Show,wherever you get it. Big thanks is
always to Alex Malmac, Dustin Rutledgewho's here, and Maggie the Odd for
all the things that they do behindthe scenes to help the show be running,
which is you know, the musicthe album. So big thanks to
the three of them. Thanks toEmma for programming this series, as always,
Dustin for joining us, and Ithink you know. Big thanks is

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always to our good friend, theformer hostess Sightings, mister Tim White.
No mystery is closed to an openmind.