The Reddit Files: Demons, Possesions, Spiritual Interactions

Join Chris and Emma as they delve into the spooky world of r/paranormal and other user-submitted content over at Reddit with The Reddit Files.

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Episode Transcript

(00:44):
Hello everyone, and welcome to ScaryStories We Tell. I'm your host,
Christashu, and I am joined bythe other host of this show or one
of the other hosts of the show, Emma Hellove. Hello and Emma.
We're here to go back to awebsite that I have actually sworn off.
I used to have it on myphone, the app, and I actually
deleted the app off my phone becauseI found that I was spending too much

(01:04):
time just scrolling through it. SoI took the sally Yeah, I'm dead
serious, dead serious. I wouldscroll through, like, you know,
whatever my for you page was,and then I would go on the person
like the personals, but like thepopular I guess is what? Yeah,
popular, I guess personal is thefor you page. So I would like
scroll that and then I would scrollthat. But yeah, I don't have

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Reddit on my phone anymore, folks, because I spent too much time doom
scrolling on it, especially like duringthe pandemic. It was real bad.
But like more recently, I wasjust like my wife kind of made a
decision to stop like Facebook doom scrollingand YouTube's doomscrowing. So I was like,
you know what, I'm going totake the step to get rid of
my equivalent, which is Reddit.So but hey, we're gonna talk about

(01:46):
Reddit, so let us let usdoom stroll for you. So let's just
reignite your addiction. Oh I didn'treinstall it on my phone. That's good,
I refuse. I was like,there's got to be a way for
me to do this without reinstalling iton my phone. So I was I
was able to find the stories onmy phone because Reddit has a nice way
of sorting for new and top thatyou can still do without downloading the app.

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So yeah, it's pretty nice.I don't have to download the Reddit
app. Fuck you. Hell yeah, tingingrat ain't healthy. Boundaries with technology
is important and are ever change agreed. Absolutely, it was important to go
and read stories of people on theinternet who are posting on Reddit, because
otherwise we wouldn't be able to sithere and do it. So, you

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know, I think that social mediais a double double edged sword, and
I think it is a wonderful wayto connect people and share experiences and inspiration,
and then there's everything awful about itas well. So I think social
media is more like a double eddededge dildo. You're gonna get fucked either
way if you use it or ifyou don't, because if you don't use

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it, people are gonna tell youto use it more and you're not using
it enough. And then if youuse it, it just feels like you're
just yelling into the void and nothingis happened up to do with the dildo.
You're gonna get fucked either way.You're foled. Either way, you're
fucked. If you do, you'refucked if you don't. I mean,
I thought you were gonna continue withthe metaphor. Oh no, it's just
like you're fucked either way, likeuse it or not. I think social
media sucks, and I don't likeI don't think anybody would disagree. I

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think, like you said, it'sa necessary evil, but it is still
evil. Like I definitely think there'sgood to it. I just think that
the people that have continued to perpetuateits worst qualities are doing so too.
Well yeah, well there, It'salmost like those are the people that are
the ones at the controls. Asit is, the people at the controls

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don't have the best intentions in mindeither. Because you know, Reddit,
I think is a little bit differentbecause obviously, you know you can peruse
Reddit anonymously without an account. Youdon't have to create an account Facebook and
stuff, yet you kind of have. There's a little bit more of a
you gotta get a little bit morefamiliar with the platform. The platform needs
to get a little bit more familiarwith you, as it were, because
I'm just gonna wag to reguess thatone of the stories, or both of

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the stories I'm reading, and probablyboth the stories you're reading are being posted
on an anonymous forum because it isanonymous, and therefore it allows a level
of anonymity that Facebook just doesn't providea list for being a catfish, which
is I believe against Facebook's term ofservices any right, I don't know.
Isn't that the real horror? Right? Well, I mean look Reddit,

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Look for as much as we're talkingabout our slash paranormal, I mean,
there are so many other things onReddit that necessitate privacy. R slash Gone
wild r slash any pornography. Anythingon Reddit is going, especially where it's
a user uplate uploaded content. Mostpeople aren't showing their faces at any of
this stuff. So like, Redditis a great place for that, but
redd it's a great place for sharingstories about the weird shit you see in

(04:42):
your flat with your flat mates,because get bet you can't guess where my
story takes place. I bet ittakes place in a hospital. I just
like that. The moment they usethe word flat and flatmates, it's like,
oh, so you're in the UK. Huh, somewhere somewhere in the
UK or the just a really uppityAmerican. Yeah, I just I don't

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think flat is a term that Americansuse even in like American cities where they
have like apartment life, Like dopeople do people in New York call it
they're flat? No? Right,Okay, I don't think so. But
maybe I call it like their studios, do you? Right? But so
yeah. So on this episode ofthe Scary Stories we Tell, we are
gonna be checking out some more areslash Paranormal, and we are gonna be

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talking a little bit more about usershared story. So I'm actually gonna share
mine first because Emma has not onlya story, but a story that has
an update as well. So I'mgoing to share mine first. This was
posted twenty eight days later h toOur slash Paranormal by me ym nah m

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e r y E m n Ueight Okay, I can't pronounce it better,
so yeah me either. It hasfive hundred and thirty one up boats
and it is tagged as an experienceis as follows and the title is I
saw myself jump off my balcony.Bye everyone. So this happened to me
when I lived with a flatmate andworked nights. This one night, I

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came back home around two thirty am, and since my flatmate worked as ground
staff and her ships rotated every week, she was supposed to be home around
six thirty am that morning. Ihad a private balcony. Because it was
winter, I kept it closed ormy room would be freezing. I lived
in a place that you can gettwo or one degrees during winter, but
that's it. So there's never anyheating system in the house. But we

(06:31):
had room heaters. I'm assuming that'scelsius. I'm yeah right. That literally
wouldn't make no sense, Otherwise itwill for all of us who don't use
the correct measuring system. It wasodd that it was open, since I
remembered closing it before I left forwork, but chopped it up to my
flatmate. I closed the door tothe balcony, turned off the white outside,
and got into my usual routine oftaking a bath and changing for bed.

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It was about three am by then, so about half an hour's gone
bye, And when I the pillow, I fell asleep immediately. Now this
was out of the ordinary for mesince it was since it always takes me
a good hour to fall asleep.Once in bed, I didn't remember falling
asleep either. I woke up aboutan hour later as I was really cold,
and saw the door to the balconywas open again and the lights were

(07:17):
back on. I remembered closing itand turning lights off very clearly. From
my bed, I had a diagonalview to the balcony, so I can
see anyone who might be standing there. Just as I was about to get
out of bed, I saw somethingmove out of the shadows where I couldn't
see and into the light. Itwas me written in all caps. Fuck
that as like that vine fuck thisshit, I'm out like y yeah,

(07:43):
yeah, no, I'm with youone percent, like yeah we when we
we'll get into it, but yeahlike that's fuck no no, hip no,
And it climbed onto the steel railings. Once on top, I in
parentheses, she earned her neck tolook back direct and smiled a little too
wide for human being. She hadtoo many teeth. Then she jumped off

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the balcony down into the fog.I was frozen, not that I couldn't
move, but more like I wasshell shot. I got up from bed
shakley after a couple of minutes,freaked out of my mind, closed the
door and turned off the lights outsideagain. Didn't sleep for the rest of
the night. I still don't understandwhat I saw to this day, but
it always inspires. It chilled downmy back when I think back on it.

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I haven't seen her again since,so we always mentioned the comments here.
Obviously, people engaging with our dearfriend here seems to be an afab
as well, since they refer tothemselves in the pronoun if. She so,
they're identifying as female, so let'sjust identify them as females. That's
the pronouns they want to use.So She in the comments responds to some

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people saying, someone asks, hey, did it feel sinister? She says,
it don't know, but it feltsinister. Some people are saying,
I don't know. I would saythat's pretty sinister. I mean again,
I do like to impose our ownintent on things. Is to try and
humanize it. I guess, youknow, like maybe again it's operating on

(09:07):
some sort of wavelength that we don'tnecessarily understand. I agree with you in
theory. I think you know eighttimes out of ten, But again I
also don't know because I've never interactedwith anything, especially not myself. Some
people are saying, you know,oh, you know, people here saying
you're lying, You're calling you ajoke, and that bothers me, Like
even if it was sleep paralysis,it was still real to you. And

(09:30):
also like people jumping to lying isalso problematic, which I agree with.
You see that a lot in ingin these posts where everyone's like, you
know, this sounds like a plotof a movie I've seen that I can't
remember the name of. You know, the immediate reaction being with some people
online is always going to be discredit, discredit, discredit, discredit, And

(09:50):
I get it. It's like it'slike that person that's at a magic show,
right, they want to know howit's done, and it's like,
are you here to see a magicshow and be entertained or here to be
a dick? Like that's right,exactly, Like and again I'm not saying
people who want to know how magicis done are dickheads, because I would
like to know how all magic isdone, because again, I understand it's
not magic, but I'm also willingand able and understanding to go along with

(10:11):
the storyteller in the medium that they'vechosen to tell a story. Some people
telling stories just happened to use themedium of magic, so I don't need
to have everything explained to me.Some people seem to have miss that,
and with this I kind of feelthe same way. Is it sleep paralysis?
I have no idea. I'm notthis person. This person seems like
they saw something. It's a littlerough to see yourself. I will say

(10:33):
that, did they say that anythingchanged? Like did they have like the
curtain drown or something and it wasopened. Did they say like that the
light was you know that they turnedthe light off and it turned on by
itself or anything like that. Nope? I mean, like, I does
this thing exist all of a sudden? Is the question? Right? Like,
with no warning, with no likeletting you know of its presence all

(10:56):
of a sudden, just like Jesus, what the hell? I mean?
I mean, my first instinct insituations like this is to say, if
you had a vivid hallucination where youknow nothing else in the in the room
has changed, like actually, youknow I and you woke up from sleeping.
I in my brain as somebody whohas experiencedly paralysis, although I haven't

(11:22):
experienced hallucinations while sleep paralysis, butI have experiencedly paralysis. I mean,
they said that they didn't feel paralyzed, but it is really common for people
to have scary hallucinations when they wakeup at a weird time. And it
dodged the question is what it feelslike because they they were like, you

(11:43):
know, it was fruisy bruisen.I was fruisen. True. Uh,
they said I was frozen, andthen they clarified by saying not that I
couldn't move, but more like Iwas shell shocked in my mind. It's
like that. That is the onlything of all of this that really put
a red flag is because like tome, it's like, okay, so

(12:03):
it's I'm not gonna say it's sleepparalysis. But if you're looking for an
explanation that makes more sense to morepeople, that is an explanation less a
kind of theory. Sleep paralysis isan explainable thing that people know exists,
and it's like, that's what thisYou're right, that's what this sounds like.
Even if you're saying like I wasfrozen but I could still move,
it's like, hmm, I no, no, I don't know about that.

(12:28):
Like it's it's interesting. Did shesay that she sat up or something?
Or was she always laying down?She said like after several minutes she
got up, Okay, I gotup from bed shakily after a couple of
minutes. It's kind of the nextsentence passed, and that was was that
after it it disappeared, or itwas it was after it jumped off the

(12:48):
balcony, and then they were frozenstaring at it. And then you know,
and again like they're in bed andthey can see this happen. Ro
you know. So I mean,if you're laying down and you see this,
after waking up again, my brainimmediately goes to some kind of sleeproalysis
or sleep phenomenon. You know thatincludes a hallucination, which is common,

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and it's not to say that thatisn't necessarily, you know, affected by
supernatural forces. Like I have noway of determining whether or not somebody else's
sleep phenomenon is you know, affectedby paranormal or otherwise. I'm pretty sure
mine aren't. But then again,I've never hallucinated. But well, I
will say that if you were ifyou woke up at a weird time in

(13:33):
the night and you were laying downand you see a weird thing, and
that it's not until after you're doneseeing the weird thing that you are quote
unquote able to get up. Inmy opinion, that's some form of sleep
paralysis, because for those that don'tknow, it's when you are in a
weird like state between sleep and wakefulness. That's when sleep prolyssis happens. It's

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just that you're caught in a stateof the in between where you become conscious
of your surroundings. However, yourbrain basically turns off your motor skills or
should you know, your ability tomove while you sleep to avoid acting out
your dreams. You know, peoplethat punch or like kick somebody in their

(14:18):
sleep, you know, for themost part that is that that function is
not functioning as it should be.But for most people, you know,
if you dream that you're in afight with somebody, you're not punching at
the air in real life, andthat's because of this function of the brain
shutting down your ability to move toact out your dreams. And so if
you're caught between this you know consciousnessand still like but your body assumes that

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you're still asleep, that's when sleepproalysis happens. And because it's that weird
in between state, you're very attunedto your subconscious which again could make you
very attuned to paranormal encounters as well, because it could be just a very
susceptible, vulnerable time. I meanis it feels extremely vulnerable, and it
often feels like that you have nocontrol over the situation. And it's in

(15:09):
bed, I mean, being inbed is just about as well, especially
when you can't move like it's somethingfor me personally that I have to will
myself out of when I experience it, I basically have to convince myself to
move like a toe or move afinger like I put all because the word
for me personally, the worst partabout sleep paralysis is that you feel like

(15:30):
you can't breathe because you're breathing isalso regulated, or it should be.
When you sleep, you don't needas much oxygen. You breathe more shallow,
and again, because you can't move, you can't will yourself to like
take deep breath, so it feelslike you're suffocating. And that's that's the

(15:50):
worst feeling to me, And soI panic a little bit. I'm immediately
aware because it feels like I'm strugglingto breathe. But I know what it
is now, and if as longas I can manage to like move a
toe or move a finger, Ican snap myself out of it anyway.
But like I said, we don'twant to be those people and say it's
sleep paralysis. But like, ifit's not, I mean, if it's

(16:11):
not, that's fucking horrifying. It'ssome rhy mimic, some kind of like
I do all or something. Yeah, I again don't want to fuck with
it. Well, but again,this person wasn't necessarily doing anything to incite
it, right, like it that'sthe thing. It's like it seemingly came
out of nowhere like this RaSE,like and then I was in bed,
nothing unto ward around me that Icould tell is happening, and then all

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of a sudden, here is thisthing that is presenting itself as me to
me, and it's not again liketo what end is my question? Like
this thing just jumps off the balconyinto the fog. I don't know what
else. Seems very real, itdoesn't, I kind of does like romantic
not like romantic and like you know, I know it's but like yeah,

(16:55):
like it's a romantic way of tellingstory. I suppose jumped into it never
to be seated. Yeah, Iit makes me wonder what the what the
intention would have been if this isparanormal, what would that intention? I
mean, would it just be tooscare? Again? Presenting someone to themselves
as themselves is very strange, like, h I don't know how else to

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describe it, Like what's the intentthere to scare? To do? No,
but like to scare for sure,because like being like you know,
it would be like if you raninto someone who looked like you, you'd
be like what the doppelgangers, unlessif you're early chaplain thing where you're standing
in front of the mirror doing thething. It's like, I don't know,
I don't know to what end.I never know to what end with
any of this? Right, Likethat's fair? Yeah, maybe it just

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scare maybe, as I mean,there are a lot of entities that presumably
feed off of fear. You know, if we are to go with the
anecdotal evidence that we've you know,heard thus far, there are several entities
that people say that they thrive andexist off of being feared cause fear,
and that if you choose to notfear them, they will go away because

(18:04):
they can't suck your energy or someshit. So you're like, they can't
suck if you know what I mean. Wow, I know, I know
what you wow. But to beclear, it's like it's like the Freddy
Krueger thing. I mean, that'show they deal with Freddy right at the
end of the first movie. It'slike I turn my back on the evil,
and in turning my back on theevil, I don't give the evil
power over me, right, Likethat's what you're talking about here exactly.

(18:26):
Yeah, which I don't do youbelieve? I mean, I believe in
that, I think up to apoint. Same. I think it's for
somebody that's never really had a paranormalexperience. As far as I know,
it's hard for me to say Ibelieve in stations, which is like the
inverse. I feel like brave peoplethat like refuse to believe in it.

(18:47):
You know, I feel like they'renever going to experience anything because you have
to be open to it. SoI feel like if you're in a mindset
where you're where you literally just donot believe, you cannot father that,
you think it's all absolutely bullshit,and you go out of your way to
be like, I'm not fucking scaredbecause none of this is true. I
feel like you're less likely to everencounter something because there has to be a

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part of you that is open tothe experience because essentially it would be lifting
a veil, and if you're notlooking to lift that veil, then you
would never see it. Well.And I also wonder because again, you
and I are two people who ifthese experiences were to happen to us,
I don't think the two of usbe like bullshit, would be like,
what the hell just happen? I'dbe fucking scared. The people that are

(19:33):
like this is fucking bullshit, likethere's nothing you could do to change the
mind anyway, So it's like no, you know, I mean, skeptics
are going to be skeptics until they'regiven a reason to not be a skeptic.
But I don't think you or Iare going to magically make that happen
today or tomorrow. Like that's no, that's the thing. It's just it's
it's kind of I don't know.To quantify a lot of this through the
eyes of other people, I thinkis always very hard, which is obviously

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you know why when we mentioned reddit's like we mentioned the comments because you
know, like you said, peopleare automatically going to the deep. There's
debunkers in the comments. There arelike genuine empathizers and sympathizers in the comments.
There are people that are just readingand letting them know what they think.
But like the debunkers are very local, fair, they want to be

(20:21):
heard right, They have a verystrong opinion, and they feel like I
feel like some skeptics. It's likeI don't want more people to be taken
in by like and I'm I'm defendingthem from being taken in by you know,
some some nonsense. I would viewit more as a superiority complex,
like you're sure, yeah, likeso kind of believe in this stuff?

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Yeah, what are you don't?Yeah, exactly like and you know what,
I'm cool and don't believe in thisstuff. And that's how you know,
I'm cool and better than you.I think that that stigma has like
kind of disappeared in a way thankfullynow, Like you know, I think
the discussion is more open. Imean, yeah, is it's still on
internet forums, but I think it'smore popular than ever. I mean this

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this place has one point one millionenthusiasts is what they call them, with
you know, about four almost fourhundred people online right now, so I
see. I don't know, asfar as I know, there's only one
person that I've ever seen be thatway in a way that doesn't make them
come off as just like a completeand total prick, And that would be

(21:27):
a Shane from BuzzFeed on Salt.He's endearing, he is anybody else,
and you'd be like, you're sucha prick. Like it's because of the
dynamic between him and Ryan that Ithink they if not for their friendship,
it wouldn't work well if it werejust two dudes that are also like low
key just like that also wouldn't beindertaing. What's the yeah, what's the

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point? Like, it's that juxtapositionof the two look right. I think
for something like this, this isa great forum for it. Read it
to post this kind of story.What do I think is going on here?
I had no earthly idea if therewas a fucking doppelganger in my apartment
jumping off the balcony and disappearing intothe fog of the night, I would
not live there anymore. I wouldmove like, I would act through everything

(22:14):
I could to not be in thatspace. And if I couldn't move,
I would never step onto that balconyever. Again, sound like right?
If it would take me like monthsto work up the courage to be able
to be like, Okay, it'sit's scary, is what this is?
Again? Like again, I don'tknow if it's sleep paralysis or not.
It kind of has the markers ofa sleep paralysis, but at the same

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time, like it's also yeah,it's also like scary too, and there's
no reason why it couldn't be acombination. So so I I kick it
to you then, Emma, becauseyou have a story with a follow up
too, which is it? Ido well? First, we've never had
a follow up come after them.I like this person's energy, especially in
their follow up. You can tellthat they're like a zennial. They have

(22:59):
xenil. She excited, so thisis let I just double check that this
is the first one. Yep,okay cool. So this is a post
by user Lord underscore Septar and thetitle is long Time Haunting Suddenly escalates a
little backstory to fill you all inon what's been happening. I'll start this
off with the fact that I believeI've been haunted. For some of my

(23:22):
earlier memories. There have always beenunexplainable sound, shadows, or figures in
the corner of the eye. AsI got older twenty two mail, I
started to get used to these thingssince I could never confirm these things for
sure, and they never seemed totry to harm me in any way.
Hell, I could have just beenseeing and hearing things out of paranoia for
all I know. But these lasttwo weeks, the activity is quickly ramped
up since my roommate had been onvacation. I was accustomed to hearing things,

(23:47):
but I could always blame it onmy cat or dog. But Sunday
night, I was in my roomwatching YouTube on the PS four. I
was at a party with my friend, just talking, and then I heard
a very distinct why come from theoutside of my cracked door. I'm staring
at the opening as every hair inmy body stands on end. My friend
then says, hey, who wasthat that prompted me to jump out of

(24:07):
bed and get my knife. I'mexplaining to my friend that I have no
idea who that was, and Ithink someone's in my house. The whole
time, I'm just fixed on thiscracked open door, with a terrible feeling
that something bad is about to happenat any second. Then suddenly the bad
feeling is gone, and I gatheredmy courage and rush into the hallway and
turn on the light. I didn'tsee anything. I searched the rest of
the house and see nothing. Hesaid he heard it, and we both

(24:30):
came to the conclusion that it hadto be my cat making a weird noise.
He's making weird ones all the time, but never like that. But
I was ready to leave it atthat. Two days later, Tuesday night,
I'm watching YouTube again, this timewith the door locked and closed.
It was opened because it gets hotin my room if the door is closed,
but I didn't care. I wasspooked. So I'm watching a pro
game match. At the end ofthe video, they add time to keep

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you from guessing the winner of thematch early by looking at the time left
in the video. I ended upzozing off pretty early in the video.
Up some time later, and I'mjust listening to this match for a few
minutes to see how everything is going. I realized I never get back to
sleep if I kept listening, soI decided to turn off the TV and
go to bed. I turn around, eyes closed, because I didn't want
to wake up fully, find theremote on the nightstand and try to turn

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it off. It wasn't working,so I figured I left a controller in
front of the censor again and preparedmyself to open my eyes in an exaggerated
fashion. When I open them,I see this figure standing in front of
the TV. I couldn't tell ifit was looking at the TV or at
me. It looked like a blackstick figure, but like a head full
of long, straight black hair.It was probably about four feet tall.

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In utter shock, I just laidthere looking at this thing. Time goes
on and on and it doesn't movea muscle, and neither did I.
I felt like if I moved something, something bad would happen, so I
continued to stare at the back orfront of its head, still not sure
where it's looking. A few minutesgo by, and I realized the match
is complete from the black screen,and the black screen is about to pop
up in the next few minutes.I had no idea what I should do.

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About ten minutes since I noticed thisthing and it hasn't moved an inch,
but my fear only increased. Outof panic, I called out to
it and I screamed, who areyou? I got no response. It
continued just standing there. I'm stillnot sure what it's looking at. At
this point I could no longer bearto look at it. I closed my
eyes and rolled back over, turningmy back to it. In the next
few minutes, the match was overand it was silent. I heard no

(26:22):
sound of it moving, but Ionce again had that feeling if I turned
to look I would regret it,so I laid there, pretending to be
asleep. Well, every sense wason high alert. I was starting to
think it was gone when I hadthis overwhelming sense of presence, like someone
was standing right behind me. Ithen felt little pricks on the side of
my face that's not on the pillow. It felt like hair. The mental
image I came up with from thisinformation almost caused me to start bawling.

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I was starting to think I wasgoing to die, but I didn't want
to look at it. I wasafraid of what I would see. So
I laid there still as a corpse, and I heard a faint alice and
the feeling vanished just like that.Still stricken with fear, I didn't dare
open my eyes. I ended upfalling back to sleep. I had a
confusing dream that I'll talk about ifyou all want me to. But I'm
not sure what I did to causethis to suddenly start getting so serious,

(27:07):
or if I'm starting to get sickwith some sort of mental illness. Let
me know, this doesn't live hereanymore. She just said, house doesn't
live there anymore. You did it? Oh boy? Uh? This is
very similar to what we just talkedabout with my story, and I will
say the difference though, is thathe was able to pull himself up enough

(27:30):
to grab the remote roll over.That's not paralysis. Now. It could
still be hallucination, but it wasnot paralysis that I can be sure of.
Yeah, but I was hallucination.Any better of an option than paralysis
is my question? Because, likelike a waking lucid hallucination, like those
are exceedingly rare unless you're like,you know, unless you have another underlying

(27:52):
mental condition like schizophrenia or something likelucid hallucinations, unless you're like onto something
are not right, that's normally localizedto like severe mental illness or severe stress.
But even so, to be staringat this thing for ten minutes.
Yeah, But we watched Skin ofa RNK together. Remember there were plenty

(28:12):
of times where we're watching it andI was like, is there a face?
Do you see a face? It'slike, how much of it is
just cynathesia right where It's like I'msaying the thing because like look, it's
like I mean, look if youlook in the corner just right. And
I've seen horror movies just like youhave. I've seen The Conjuring. The
Conjuring two plays with like dark cornersin movies better than like any other movie

(28:34):
I've seen. And it's like I'mlooking into the corner and is there something
there? Because that girl is goingthere's something there. I could set see
its eyes. I've seen that scenea million times and it's like that's from
the first one and it's Jolie kingscreaming that like the top of her lungs,
and I'd never like paused it andlike turn the brightness up to see
if there's anything there. But thatfeeling that it evokes is so universal of

(28:59):
like the monster under the bed,the thing in the closet, like the
dark corner of your room, andso like, I've got a wonder if
part of it's just like I'm seeinglike you said, maybe it's a hallucination
in the sense of like I'm seeingwhat I want to see, which is
something scary, right, I meanit's angel in the corner. You're gonna
see something scary. Nobody ever seesanything not scary, like of course,
because we're we're evolutionarily predisposed to that, correct, Like that is a survival

(29:26):
instinct to constantly be on the lookoutfor danger at night, Like we're not
constantly looking out for nice things atnight, Like, no, what could
come at night is monsters from thewild coming into your cave, sneaking in
like the monsters in the night anddragging you out and eating you. Because
nature's metal as fucking it doesn't care. It will not feel bad for you

(29:49):
if you're its meal, So ityeah, And to me, it's like
that evolutionary idea of like the darkis scary, Like in my mind,
it's a little bit of like thesame thing of like death, right,
Like why is death scary? It'sbecause we don't understand it, Like the
dark ist scary because we don't understandit. But I don't think that actually
makes it scary, right, Like, it's just that's our interpretation, right,

(30:11):
I guess going back to the story, what is my sticking point in
this is the fact that he turnsaway he feels the pin pricks of potentially
like hair on his cheek because hedescribed this figure as having just hair,
just like it was a stick basicallyessentially a stick figure with hair, right,

(30:33):
and whispering alice like that, thatmust have been fucking horrifying, whether
it's a lucation or not fucking terrified. Agreed. I mean, that's that's
the thing. I mean. Similarto my story, it's like, you
know, I guarantee you experience something, because you don't just can cock this
shit out of nowhere like this,you're being specific enough for me to believe
that you experienced this, or Ibelieve you experienced it for sure, Like

(30:56):
I'm with you. The stick figurething. When I was first reading this
through and like vetting it, Iwas like, Okay, all right,
this is kind of stupid, Andthen I kept reading it and I was
like hooked, and I'm like,I didn't I don't know if they can
appear in that form, but whythe fuck not? Well, I honestly
like you're you know, you bringup a good point, like the stick
figure thing is kind of dopey.It is like I don't I don't know

(31:18):
how to I don't know how tokind of deal with that in the juxtaposition
of this like pretty good story aboutsomeone interacting with like a being in the
corner of their eye, out oftheir peripheral at night, Like I don't
know how to like square that.Why would you make that up? Like
why that? Well? Why astick figure? Though? Like what is
that? What is that? Like? I don't understand is my question?

(31:41):
Like what what? Like I don'tget it. I'm imagining like the pipe
cleaner monster from the back rooms.I'm I'm imagining like a literal like stick
figure, Like, no, doyou know what I'm talking about? I
do not. I look at astick figure is pretty unambiguous. Do you
know what I mean? I mean, that's why they're using the term stick
figure, because it's like it's auniversal term that we can all understand,

(32:05):
which is a you know, aball for ahead, and then legs and
arms that are literally straight lines.Like whether or not it's a straight line
across for arms or two lines forarms is unimportant. A stick figure is
about as universal as I don't know, it's pretty universal, I feel.
But that's such a weird thing tosee. Did you look into like if
there were other people seeing similar descriptorsof things like stick men? Is that

(32:28):
a thing? Because because like theman with the dark hat is you're right,
that right, like the man withthe man with the flodora that's essentially
backlit. That's a thing. Imean, that's just what I was thinking
of. Oh interesting, okay,I mean yeah, okay, I can
kind of say it looks tiny though, yeah, I mean like human size.
No, it's it's supposed to be, like I'm assuming, like eight

(32:50):
feet tall or tall. And theperspective is weird. The whole point of
like the back rooms is as supposedto be like a liminal walk through type
space. So the perspective is alittle wonky, but like that's supposed to
be like far away, it's justlike a lot of winding corridors. Seems
like this is in that same campof the man with the hat, Like
you're seeing a thing that's scary andin the dark, and you can't tell

(33:14):
me what it is. And Ibet that there are other people who have
seen similar things to this right inis it sleep paralysis? No, but
here's the thing in The Nightmare,the documentary by Rodney Asher, all about
sleep paralysis, which is fucking scaryon its own, Like it's a scary
documentary. It's just like not athing like he's scary. I mean,
it's not like it's something that likeif you watch it in the right setting,

(33:36):
it's scary as fuck, like asscary as a whore movie. I'm
not. I'm like, not ajoke on sleep parowsons. Yeah, yes,
it's called The Nightmare. It's reallygood. It's really scary. Uh.
Just the way he shoots it isjust he makes it beel like you're
in the sleep paralysis with them,because he like recreates the sleep paralysis the

(33:57):
way they describe it. With thepeople who are describing here, it has
shitty rating on like everything. Ratingsare unimportant. I know ratings are important
when it comes to documentaries because it'sit's such a specific art style that like
some people are just not gonna vibewith it, and he's doing something weird.
He's really mixing the idea of whata documentary can be with like horror

(34:20):
trappings and like trying to scare you. But it I bet that people didn't
like it because they were like,why are you doing like jump scare type
shit in a fucking like documentary,which is fine. I don't know the
first review, it's a sentence oflike one of the fucking critics, so
fucking dumb. I can't wait tohear it. The nightmare is undeniably entertaining,
but it's just empty calories, fuckingwhatever. Not everything has to have

(34:44):
a purpose, fuckers anyway, anyway, I'm sorry, I had to shut
up. It's fair. It's fadempty calories. That's what I would describe
like the Mario movie as an adult. Yeah, like it's entertainment and like
that's okay, like yeah, everyone, yeah, not everything has to someone
who watches more content than most people, well, I take them back as
someone who watches a lot of contentand has to talk about it more than

(35:06):
most people do. Ah, Sometimesyou just want to watch something that has
nothing to do with anything, andit's just like reality TV. I used
to hate it. Like, thereare some reality TV things that I fucking
love and I will unabashedly just sitand have it on and I love it
and ube out to it. Anyways, bring all that aside. In that
documentary, they talk about the manwith the Fedora, which is like a
thing that people are seeing in theirdreams, and people are seeing it across

(35:30):
there, like people on different continentsdescribe a similar thing. I wonder if
this is like that. I genuinelywonder if this is in that sane camp,
because in my mind this is sleepprolysis. And the other thing that
I would say, the reason Iwould go for that is in the documentary
when they're recreating the sleep proalysis,one of the sleep prowsses that they recreate,

(35:51):
it's like a fake out. Theguy thinks he's woken up and it's
still sleep. I have had dreamwaycloops. They're not fun. So how
is how does this person that thisis not that? As my question,
that's a fair question. I wantsomebody who's the story to get to that
question. But the questions, now, yeah, how did that? How
do they know that they were awake? Because if you can tell, then

(36:12):
it doesn't matter. Have you hadan experience like that before? So look,
I smoke weed. Okay, solet's just get that out in the
open. Oh dare you? Andlike, I feel like with the usage
of marijuana, my like dreams havebecome at times more vivid and at times
none at all. It just dependslike it seems to be like there's not
a middle ground. And I'm notsaying that there was always a middle ground

(36:32):
with my dreams. Maybe I feellike I've always had very vivid dreams,
but I've never, best I cantell, have had the I wake up
and I fall back asleep thing.I've never had that. Best I can
tell, I've had dreams that feltas real as life, sure, but
I've never had a dream where Iwhere you think you wake up and you're
still actually dreaming. I am notlucky enough to have had one of those

(36:54):
weird cinematically oh oh no, oh, you're gonna tell me how terrible it
is. But like I've had ittwice. It feels so fucking insane that
it could actually happen. But it'slike it's such a trope in movies that
I like, maybe it has happenedto me and I just don't realize it.
But you know what I mean,Like in so many movies, it's
such a trope of like, amI even awake? Like I mean,

(37:17):
that's the thing for me, isI get the most recent time that it
had happened. I might have alreadytold you about this, already talked about
it on here, but non storyshort. Uh, my boyfriend is staying
the night and it was, youknow, sometime in the morning, and
I start having this you know sleeploop where I am dreaming that you know,

(37:38):
it's morning, and I get upand I take my medication. I
start heading down the stairs, andthen I'm back in bed and I wake
up and I take my medication andI'm going down the stairs and I wake
up and I take my medication.And I'm going to like it was like
that, And I could not tellyou how many times it looped, but
like approximate was it more that?Was it double digits? I want to

(37:59):
say it was like a round eightor ten. Oh, my lord,
and so by the time I wasactually awake, I was crying, and
so like my boyfriend was like,oh my god, are you okay?
What happened? And I was justlike, I don't know if I'm sleeping,
I don't know if I'm awake,Like it's fucking if he had to
like console me and convince me thatI was awake this time. It's not

(38:20):
fun. Well, And that's Imean, the thing that I think everybody
forgets about is like in a movie, it's it has no bearing on anything.
It's literally false stakes when it's takingplace in your real life, in
your brain. Like She's like thatwas so mundane too, Like it's not
like it was a scary dream itbut what was what scared me is that
I didn't know if it would happenagain, right, I wouldn't know,

(38:44):
like how far would I get inmy day? And then just to be
like that is horrifying. That inand of itself is scary. There didn't
need to be a monster in thedream. It was daytime, it was
morning. It was not inherently ascary dream all. It was just a
very surreal, disturbing experience. Andlike I said, I'm very glad that

(39:06):
I had him there to convince meI was awake. If not for that,
I probably would have had to likesit up and like watch YouTube or
some shit and convince myself that I'mbreaking the cycle by like being chronically online
until I forget about. But luckilyhe was there. No, I'd excy.
It's not fun. It's not it'sso fun. It sounds awful.

(39:28):
It sounds genuinely like a terrible thingthat I would not wish upon anybody.
If I if I had to choosebetween the two like sleep paralysis, which
I said I have experienced without hallucinations, or dreamwake loop, which I've had
significantly less of, uh, Iwould pick sleep paralysis every single time.
Every single time. I would muchrather like for the you know, for

(39:51):
the twenty seconds that I'm struggling tobreathe and I can't move, and how
scary that is. At least it'sover in like twenty to thirty seconds.
I can break myself out. ButI prefer that every time it because it
doesn't it doesn't affect your idea ofreality. That's that's the difference. Unless
if you're hallucinating, which thank godI don't, maybe it's because I have

(40:13):
partial avantasia. Why I also wonderedthat because you do have that. So
it's like, which is very Imean I don't have a very vivid imagination,
so huh. I mean it verywell could affect it anyway. But
this tension is, this seems oddlywell so well, and what you're describing
is vivid enough where you can liketell me about it distinctly happening. So

(40:37):
like, I don't know. Thisall sounds very it's it's not scary is
not the word I would use,but it's very unsettling because again, like
we don't know enough about the humanbrain and we may never know, but
like this is all contained up here, like that's it. It's just just
there is external motivation happening, likestressors and other things. But like,
ultimately, this is just the thingup here. Do what it's thing,

(41:00):
whatever that thing is, because wejust don't know, and that's the scary
part. That's actually the scary partbecause everybody has so But what I will
say is that I think this followup might make you rethink your theory.
Oh boy, so again, userlord underscore Septar titled update to my post

(41:20):
over a year ago. Hey everyone, thanks for all the feedback and help
to my previous post. For anyoneelse, a quick TLDR of the last
post is the following. Some sortof entity suddenly made itself known for seemingly
no reason. Now for what's happened? Since I love the TLDR, so
like thing happened anyway, let's goyeah, get to it, man,
I like this is where the genz really starts showing for me? Was

(41:42):
this one? Now? For what'shappened since then? For starters, my
cat has passed away? Rip Pricardypiece, Like, can we just like
pour one out for Priccarty? Youknow, I know you're a sillennial with
your naming your biccardy. This isthe same kind of person that has liquor
bottles above their cabinets in there thatmakes it anyway. Secondly, nothing major

(42:02):
had happened to me until about twohours ago. I was coming in the
house from work and was very thirsty. On the way to my room,
I walked past my roommate's room andI noticed his bedding was gone, which
is a side he's gone for theweekend. I grabbed my water bottle and
head back to the kitchen, Ifill it with water, head back to
my room. On the way back, I walked past the bathroom. I
had this urge of paranoia to checkbehind the shower curtain, so I checked

(42:23):
to see nothing and just say outloud, imagine if there really was someone
out there and they caught me blackand I love it. I love this
so much. I was shaking myhead, shaking my head smh. As
I turned to leave the bit.I just like, I just want to
picture this for a moment. Thisguy just being like opens up his curtain,
y'all. Imagine if this ghost fuckingcaught me slacking smh. Fucking the

(42:45):
people that run up the stairs fromthe basement and they're like, oh my
god, these I still do that. I'm gonna do that tonight. Wow.
I mean fair, but it's likethe same thing. Oh for sure,
you wouldn't want me to slow downon the stairs, now, what'd
You're like? Yeah, I know, why not, as if you was
there. So I'm shaking my headas I turned to leave the bathroom.
When I turn, I think Inoticed something bolt to the left side of

(43:06):
my door forroom, which leads tomy room. I didn't hear anything so
I wasn't worried. I figured ifsomeone could move that fast and silent,
I was a goner. Anyways,I love it. I love this energy.
So I exit the bathroom and turninto my room. Not seeing anything
out of the ordinary, I startto change close for bed. I finished
changing and turn on my TV whilegrabbing my PS four controller and laying onto

(43:27):
and laying into the bed. Layinginto bed, laying on bit and laying
on my bed is how I'm choosingto read that. I'm scrolling You'd two,
looking for something to watch when Inoticed a slight movement on the ceiling.
I look up, and I knowthis isn't going to make sense,
but I saw a head peeking overthe ceiling fan blades. It physically doesn't
make sense to me even now,I noticed what it was, and before

(43:50):
I could even blink, it uppedbehind the blade of the fan from my
last major encounter. I've decided tocall it Alice, so I said,
well, goodbye, Alice. Ididn't have goosebum or chills, so I
felt like joking around. At thattime. I thought that was it.
As I'm trying to fall asleep.About fifteen minutes later, while I'm still
awake. I hear my door suddenlyopen, which prompts me to immediately close
it. This has been happening sincethe last major incident. My door will

(44:15):
open for seemingly no reason during thenight unless I lock it. My door
is at the foot of my bed, so my door is at the foot
of my bed. It opened toofar for my foot to reach, so
I have to sit up to usemy arm to do it. While I'm
reaching, I peek outside the door, and all and all I see is
the stick figure with a head fullof hair in the doorway to my bathroom,
literally one foot away from my doorframe. I freeze as I get chills

(44:37):
all over my body, but onlyfor a moment. I haven't looked directly
at it, so I try toplay it off like I pulled a muscle
trying to stretch for the door.I don't want to repeat of last time,
so I just reach for the doorand close it. This time,
I lock it and try to ignorewhat I just saw. In my head.
I'm thinking I just won, andI can't believe I really tried to
play it off like I didn't seeit. I lay back down and get
comfy, almost immediately, I hearmy door open again, this time much

(45:00):
more slowly. I open my eyesand now it's in my doorway, just
standing there. This time I lookeddirectly at it. It seemed like it
was looking at me directly, eventhough I couldn't tell for sure. The
chills are starting to hurt. Atthis point, I sit up in defiance
while looking at it. It's twoto three feet away from me. My
heart is absolutely racing. But Iwould rather do this than be in faral

(45:22):
like last time, I say,in a calm tone of voice, go
away, Alice. Almost as soonas the words leave my lips, it
turns violently. Now it looked likeit was looking directly at me. I
didn't hear it turn, which scaredme more than it should have. I
point at its face and say again, in a calm voice, go away,
Alice. Next thing I know,I'm in the kitchen with my water
bottle, filling it again, withno recollection of what had happened between that

(45:43):
and now. It's almost two hourslater than I remember, and now I'm
very worried about what happened. I'mchecking my body, checking my phone,
checking the house, checking everything.Things seem normal. I'm not sure what
happened at the end. Is thereanything to suggest this has happened for a
reason? Did it knock me outsomehow? Did it possess me? Did
I think them to the stress?Any would have a guess on what happened?
Right now, I'm feeling no differentthan before, besides just feeling exhausted,

(46:07):
but mostly very unsettled. Thanks forany help in advance. I know
what it is now? Oh no, oh yeah, loss it really behind
the ceiling fan? I mean that. I mean, oh, you could
explain it as plenty of things,but an alien makes just about as much.
That's fair, I will give youthat, but I do want to

(46:28):
hear your your reasoning. Loss oftime is a very common sign of abduction,
like or interaction with some sort ofextraterrestrial being, because often for whatever
reason, they interfere with the electricityand the electronics right, so often with
time loss, it's like, ohI found my like my watch stopped working

(46:49):
too, or like the clocks rosor something like that often comes with time
loss. But time loss is likeis a very strong indicator of interaction with
alien, alien interact heird or fourthclose encounter. Yeah, that's like it's
very weird now because like putting itinto perspective and kind of listening to the
way they're talking about certain things,like the way that they're talking about like

(47:13):
oh, this thing peaking out,it's like or you know this like they
because they saw the thing again,right, they saw ye this they saw
this, Like basically a year laterthey had this update. They said that
for the past year though, theirdoor has been opening unless it had been
locked, except this time the dooropened again after he had locked it.

(47:34):
I mean repeat visits. I meaneahinteractions are I mean Whitley Strieber, I
mean his entire book Communion talks abouthis interactions with UFOs over like a twenty
thirty year period of his life.And they started out kind of they started
out kind of inexplicable, and thenyou know, the older he got,
the more he was able to kindof understand. Because that's the thing.
The sleep paralysis documentary, The Nightmare, one of the guys in there is

(47:57):
like, oh, it was alienAt one point it's like, oh,
you know, I thought I thoughtthis was alien and it's like, no,
this is not aliens, Like thisis sleep paralysis. But like he
made the image of a mask ofwhat one of the things he interacted with
while he was in sleep prousis asa baby, and it looked like an
alien, like a like a literalgray like you and I. But here's
the thing, like, I'm notwilling to say that this is sleep paralysis

(48:20):
anymore because they were standing up likeif you were doing something, so this
this in my mind, I thinkI do kind of defer straight up to
like this is something something alien,something at the very least something wacky.
Like I read this update before Iread the original post, so I read
it out of order originally, AndI definitely think installment number two is stronger

(48:42):
than installment number one, but moreof a clarifier on certain questions that needed
to yeah answer. I wonder,you know, I've seen it describe sometimes
like staticky, because in the Nightmare, the guy talks about like the staticky
nature of these things that he's seeing. I wonder if this stick figure is
like not a stick figure as muchas just like the way that we're perceiving
what we're seeing, like it's nota stick figure, it's like that's what

(49:05):
it's projecting itself. And right likeI don't know how that would be any
less scary than like presenting itself aswhat it is. But like maybe that's
just the best way our eyes canperceive it as what it is. It's
like trying to camouflage itself in theroom as best it can. And it's
like it's a it's a it's afat it's a four fact simile of a
human being. But it's like tryingto disguise itself and be in the room

(49:29):
with them. Interesting, I don'tknow. Like again, if you look
at it from one way, it'sghosts, but like the ghost ghosts do
not explain timelags. Oh I wouldsay demon, I'm over, I don't.
I don't know, Like for evendemons are like aliens. It could
be like like demons have signifiers,like speaking in a language they've never known.

(49:49):
Like thing like given demons and ghostsare very close, right, Or
some sort of demonic entity, somesort of sinister entity. Again, maybe
an entity that thrives off of fear. I just I'm very proud of him
for trying to act great, likekudos fucking props could not be me.
I mean, I agree that likeso many of these stories have someone saying

(50:12):
like I saw a thing and thenI just kind of, you know,
walked away from it like this personis buck No, I confronted it,
right, and like good for you, like the balls on you congratulate absolute
mad lad. I want to Iwant to interview him. I want to
know. I want to know what'shappened, big dog giggachet. Look.

(50:34):
I mean even when I had theinteractions that I've had, like I'm not
facing them down, Like the timeI heard the saying at night above our
bed, like I did what thatperson did initially, and like I just
I just stayed there. Just hesat there and like didn't make a noise
and hoped that it would go away. It's like yeah, like like but
this person's that's what i'd do,big do I go get by if you're

(50:55):
wad bay Like oh god damn,like all right, yes, some fiery
spiy shit. I just I reallythink this is one of the times where
it is so weird that like whywould you make this up? Of all
things? Like it doesn't feel likeit pulls inspiration from a movie or from

(51:16):
a book. It feels to me, it feels so specific and so weird.
I don't know it this one,this one hits weird for me,
and definitely like the first one youcould easily write off as like a sleep
sort of hallucination, this one,at most most schizophrenia. Yeah, but

(51:37):
that's not something you just have anddon't know you I mean, I don't
like, I don't know, Likeit seems like such a dire thing,
like schizophrenia is not something to jokeabout, you know what I mean,
like none of it. But thatbeing said, it did open the door.
Yeah, it aliens, kid,Yeah, if they're phasing any But
like what I'm saying is, likethe reason why I wouldn't vote for mental

(51:59):
health problems is because the door opened, And oh I see physical interaction.
I see what. Yeah, Likewhen it starts interacting with your environment.
To me, that's when it's you'rejust seeing the door open. And that's
part of their illness. Like again, like it's the whole thing of like
how do you know you're awake?Like you know, right, I'm not
saying that this unless this person haslike a really rough case of sleep paralysis,

(52:22):
which is what we're advocating for.If it's not these other things like
they're seeing aliens every night and nowthey're having sleep paralysis while they're standing up,
which is not possible. So that'sthe thing like that, there's the
part of this that's hard to kindof square away is I was at the
refrigerator, and then I was inmy bed, and then I was back
in the kitchen again, and it'slike I'm looking to see and that's a

(52:44):
I like your response, the ohmy god, aliens. What yeah,
I think about I don't think aboutthat. I really don't. It's not
that I don't I get it.I think the aliens are a possible explanation,
whine. It's just not where mybrain goes. But I know it's
so lazy though, like it usedto be the lazy choice like aliens.
Like I'm like genuinely saying aliens onironically, that's where I'm coming. So

(53:06):
one person commented, under extreme stressand or anxiety, you can have what's
called vasovagel syncope. Basically your bloodpressure could have quickly tanked under the stress,
causing you to black out. Soeven so, I don't think that
explains it. I'm trying to seeif anybody else in the comments or anything
interesting or helpful. Let's find somethingthat sounds even less plausible and try to

(53:29):
pin it on that like it justthat's the way I feel about a lot
of these like secondary explanations. It'slike, do you understand how much of
a leap this in and of itselfAlso is like I don't know, Like,
yeah, Aliens is kind of aleap, but you know what,
like when we're talking about something that'sunexplained, like why is it ely?
Why? Why why is it ealy? But I don't think it is.

(53:51):
I will say that I like thisone comment that says I practice magic,
and one thing I can tell youis go to God. People can say
what they want to, but JesusChrist told a lot of power. But
like match of getting that as acommon Yeah, there's one in every crowd,
Emma, as they would say,like there's there's there's one in every
crowd, regardless of eliher we are. There's one in every crowd, and

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they're just so happy to be thereand the prostoltize and be able to spread
the message of Jesus that hey,I mean to be fair. More power
to you and if you feel safeby invoking the name of Jesus Christ,
then the hell, yeah, Ilove that for you. I just think
it's really funny, so different thanlike rubbing a rabbit's foot. I just
I love how it's like the personposting is like they must not have considered

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Jesus. It's like if they were, if they were going to ask Jesus
for help, I think they wouldhave done it already. The ultimate consideration
is honestly anyway, That's what Ihave for you. Do you want to
do? You? Do you thinkwe got to do one more? I
think we're good. You think we'regood. I think so. I think
the conversation was lively enough at theend of year, don't you. I

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think so. I think you.Yeah, I think you brought a good
story to the table that that isvery engaging. Well, you didn't tell
me what you thought it was.I mean, like I told you,
like I mean, I'm staking mythought goes towards some sort of demonic apparition.
That's my sticking with the demonic.Yeah, I mean, I definitely
see where you're coming from with aliens, and I want to It's not it's

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not like I want to agree,but I can't. It's just like I
said something about this screams demonic andhaunting, not like curiosity and probing.
So do you feel like there's likean intent or does this seam ran In
these cases the intent would be tooscare and a lot of shadow like figures

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apparently at anecdotally feed off of thatfear. So yeah, yeah, and
maybe it was waiting, you know, for the for the roommate to to
leave, so it could really capitalizeon that fear of you know, this
person being alone in his house.Like, I wonder if the inner actions
that they've had with this thing increasein frequency when there's only them there.

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That's a good question because again,like you know, with Whitley Strieber's stuff
and the aliens that he interacted with, they would present themselves to him,
but then they started kind of gettingmore cavalier about it, and they would
present themselves to him and other peopleat his house at the same time.
So it's like, I wonder ifthere's like a ramp up nature to this
too. I mean, obviously thereis, given that it didn't happen until

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it did, and then it justkept happening. Like that's that in and
of itself is like a nature ofthe ramp up. But this is this
is a wild one, absolutely soa good one. Good for him for
having this story, and I wasdeeply enthralled. I love I like his
storytelling, and I I like howhe accounts it it and I definitely think

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it's a very interesting, unique encounter. And I feel bad for him and
Vert Paccardi. Yeah, I feelbad from as much as I can,
but also at the same time,like they seem to have made like a
level of peace with it, which, yeah, it's also a good thing.
I mean, that's the thing likein either that or it's that Zenny
Old denial. Yeah, but Imean looking in Whitley Strieber's book, he

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kind of makes peace with it.Like by the end of the book,
he's like, I kind of madepeace with what's been going on and how
and how I've been kind of dealingwith that personally. So like I feel
like for me, they've made theirpeace with what's going on. Like,
look, you can't control this thing, and to think that you can is
ridiculous in and of itself. Soso way I look at it, it's

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like if it's gonna happen, it'sgonna happen. The likelihood that it happens
to you is very low. Fairenough, but just like winning the lottery,
Just like so many things like winningthe lottery, you have a low
percentage chance, you know, gettinghit by lightning. You know, you
go out in the rain storm withthe umbrella ands to get up in the
sky, you have a better chanceof getting hit, but it doesn't guarantee
that you will. And that's thething here. It's just like, you

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know, maybe they were doing somesort of high risk behavior that we don't
know about that they're not talking aboutto kind of bring these things to them,
But your roommate just leaving is notI mean, I will say it
looks like they're still posting. Thelast time they post, the last time
they commented on something was forty daysago, and the update that they had

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was two hundred and forty one daysago. So at least they're still alive.
That's what matters to me. Agreed. Agreed, They're still kicking it,
even if they have to deal withtheir door opening and possibly go On
that lovely note, Reddit, asalways is a great place for some good
story. So yeah, on thatnote, until the next time we do
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Sidings, mister Tim White, leadus out. No mystery is closed to
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