The Reddit Files: Ghost Dogs, Ghost Kids, I Died Already

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We're anyway. Hello everyone, andwelcome to another episode of Scary Stories.

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We tell I am your host,Christash You and I am joined as always
by my good friend and yours.She's a podcaster. She is a cool
person in my book. Know,does that matter? People care? I
don't know, we'll care what Ithink is cool. I mean, I
think I'm pretty cool. I thinkyou're cool. Emma from the Strange Beliefs

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podcast. Does we do you stillwant me to bring you up that way?
Or is that sure? Yeah?No, I'm a and I'm pretty
cool. You are, You're verycool. Yeah, so so, Emma.
The last time you and I talked, we talked a little bit about
our slash paranormal. And that's whatwe're gonna do here again today is we're

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going to talk a little bit ofour slash paranormal. So a couple things
we want to get out of theway ahead of time. If these stories
are yours and you have an issuewith us reading them, please do not
hesitate to reach out. We willtake it down immediately. No harm,
no foul, not trying to pissanybody off, but hey, if you

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like the stories, the links arein the description of the episode. So
go give them some love, Gocheck out the comments, because this is
really what the is about. It'sengaging with the person who wrote the post,
not really engaging with us. Thisis our yeah, this is this
is this is their story. We'rejust regurgitating it for you because you're listening,
not reading on Reddit. You mayhave never even been on Reddit.

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I don't know I don't know you. I don't know you at all.
So ye scare audience member. Yeah, so all of that aside. Let's
get just all the fun stuff outof the way, all the fun things
out of the way. Our slashParanormal, for those of you who do
not know, is a place onReddit, which is essentially a giant message

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board, form forum, question markwhere you can post things. Our slash
Paranormal is a repository for all thingsparanormal, and they are factual stories,
and they're also questions and other things. People are asking questions and engaging with
one another. But our slash paranormalgreat place to find paranormal stories. Another

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great place to find stories is ourslash ghost Stories, where some of the
stories may also come from So ifthey come from there, we'll let you
know. But our slash Paranormal hasa better ring to it than our slash
ghost Stories. I was gonna say, you can't beat it. No,
our slish Paranormal is great. Ourslash ghost Stories is a bunch of ghost
stories. Nothing wrong with that,but it just doesn't have a It's not

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as catchy. Let's just put itthat way. But both sub credits are
allegedly all true stories are all true. They say no fiction. No fiction
is what they say. Obviously,we must take that with a grain of
salt, for it is the Internet, correct, which we talked about on
our Cursed Objects episode. We're notunder the assumption that anyone is trying to

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sell anything on here. So Ijust believe everybody's stories is factual unless they
are like really blatantly well and that'syou know, we'll talk about that when
we talk about it, because thelast time we did one of these episodes,
we definitely talked about some stories thatwe're pretty not well done. But
if that happened to you, you, I'll hope to God you're not in

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the house anymore. So Emma,as always, I will turn the floor
over to you for the first ourSlash Paranormal story of the evening. Oh,
okay, I have a few.Oh great, let me see.
Ah, how long is this one? That one's pretty long? Screat We're

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gonna do this one, go forit. So this is by user exo
Exo Kate Barlow, and the titleis the ghost Encounter that made Me believe.
Okay, so it goes. Iam a heavy skeptic. I don't
believe orbs are real, nor doI search for vague faces and photos or

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thinks cemeteries are scary. I chalkmost anything up to some logical explanation,
the house settling or the wind.At one point I didn't believe in the
paranormal at all. I'd like toshare the experience that changed my mind entirely,
as even to this day, itblows my mind that this happened to
me, and I thought i'd beinteresting to share. This happened about a

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decade ago. I was eighteen.At the time, I was dating a
boy for about a month. We'llcall him B. B was also completely
dismissive of the idea that goes arereal, even more dismissive than I was.
He thought the idea of religions,spirits, aliens, etc. Were
all bizarre fantasies. About a monthinto our relationship, he decided it was
time I met his parents. I, being a Gothic teen, was extremely

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nervous, but I reluctantly agreed.He picked me up and drove us to
his apartment to meet them. Uponwalking through the front door, his mother
sat on the couch with her twodogs chihuahua's one was brown and one was
black, to the left of me, and his father stood in the kitchen
entryway to the right of me.He introduced me and we made pleasant small
talk. I was so focused onthe conversation and my nerves that I hardly

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noticed the dog's barking until his motheryelled quiet to stop them, which chatted
out twenty minutes. Then headed outfor a weekend plans. About a week
later, he invited me over again. His parents were at home, and
upon arriving, I noticed only onedog was there. The dog was less
him at this time, so Ibent down to pet her. He told
me her name and a bit ofher be told me her name and a

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bit of her history, how theyadopted her et c. I then asked
him about the black dog, andhe got a puzzled look on his face
be says what black dog user says, the one that was here last time.
It looked like this one, onlyit was black. B says Belle
was the only dog here. Helooked at me in pure disbelief, told
me that they had a dog justlike that, but it died a few

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months ago. I told him thedog had a white stripe down its chest,
a blue collar with a bow onit, and that his jaw hit
the floor and then on it andhis jaw hit. Oh, I do
that one were time. I toldhim, I'm okay, we're doing this.
I'm so good at this. Itold him the dog had a white
stripe down his chest and a bluecollar with a bow on it, and

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his jaw hit the floor. Heled me down the hallway and showed me
a photo on the wall of thetwo dogs together, and my description perfectly
matched it, a photo that couldnot be seen from the front door,
where I had stood during my entirelast visit. We tried for a solid
hour to make this make sense.I couldn't have gotten every single detail,
right down to the collar. Itwasn't something seen from the corner of my

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eye. I stared right at thisdog for twenty solid minutes. It was
hardly five feet away from me,coming up occasionally to sniff my shoes and
barking as any dog would at anewcomer. I undoubtedly saw this dog.
To this day, I can seethe scene in my mind very clearly.
I don't have any history of mentalillness or hallucinations. I've never experienced anything

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like this. There was nothing strangeabout its appearance. It wasn't clear or
floating or anything like that. Itlooked just like any dog, except somehow
it wasn't there, and nobody sawit but me. During our relationship,
we would often call that experience,often recall that experience and how strange it
was. Ten years later, andI still rack my brain trying to make
it make sense. It just doesn't. What do you think, Well,

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so that's you know, honestly,this is one of these stories where I
have very little to disbelieve, becauseI you know, my dad has been
on the show before several years ago, I think it's two years ago now,
and he tells a story that's verysimilar to this, when we were
at my family's ranch and he sawa dog that was there. They were

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still building the house, so itattracted animals because they would leave trash.
And he saw a dog, Yeah, he knows it was a dog.
It was a cat. He sawthis cat that my sister kept talking about
stretching itself out on the top storyof the house, and he was like,
hey, everybody, come and look. The cat turned back and the
cat was gone. So, Imean, I believe these kinds of stories.

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I don't know what to chalk itup to. I think we've talked
a little bit about the kind ofidea of trapped energy before, and maybe
that would be it. I guessfor me, it's not that I it's
not that I just like outright believethis story, but as someone who has

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a family member with this same kindof story that I believe, like this
doesn't sound too far far outside ofthe realm of possibility of existing. I
just don't know. How do youexplain it? Is the question? Right?
So I mean I feel like she, you know, hits everything on

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the head in terms of like She'slike, I've never had a history of
hallucinations. I don't have a historyof mental illness. I had never seen
this dog before, I had neverseen the photo before. There was no
way I could have even seen thephoto from where I was and saying that
like it wasn't out of the cornerof her eyes. She had seen it,
stared at it, even came overto her, interacted with her briefly,

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like and she says she's a skeptic, or they say that they're a
skeptic, yes, again, whichI think is I think, you know,
last time we did one of theseepisodes, I think one of us
had a similar episode story like thisone, right, right, And so
I love the types of stories wherethey're like, I was a skeptic until
this, And I always love hearinglike what changed your mind? And like

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it's not often you have something sodifficult to logical way like this, Like
there are ways that you could potentiallytry to logic some stuff, you know,
like the lights are flickering, Likeit could just be an electrical failure.
How you called your electrician, Like, you know, there's ways to
speculate on a lot of things.I don't know how to speculate on this

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one. I'm giving this an upvote well, and I'm giving it an
up vote two. And that's Imean, that's my question to you,
is so if we both say yeah, they saw something, Then what are
we saying they saw? I thinkthat they saw I'm assuming this spirit of

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a dog. I've heard stories of, you know, people with like a
pet that had recently passed still likehanging out and playing with other pets in
the house, and like, itdoesn't sound that far off. If I
had to talk it up to something, I would say, it is the
spirit of this unfortunately deceased family pet, right, No, I agree,

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But like what explains that existing inthat way? Like, That's what I'm
trying to figure out, because,like I agree, they probably saw this
deceased pet that they could Again,this is a different kind of story because
they're seeing a pet that is nottheirs. They're seeing someone else's family pet,
which is kind of that adds aninteresting wrinkle to it. I don't

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know if it makes it more factualor not, but it's a different I
mean, kind of a sidestep angleversus like a head on angle. It's
kind of a little bit of likean eighty degrees type thing. I would
say that it strengthens the story becausethe family members believe this dog to have

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passed, they have no reason tothink that this dog is in the house
right, And I feel like existingunder that mindset would make it very difficult
to be open to seeing the spiritof this dog. Well, and like
you said, I mean if it'sthe family member saying, oh I saw
the dog, that I know whatit looks like, and like it's our

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family dog, like, yeah,that's not surprising, like I would it's
it's again, it's that whole argumentof if you're going in the woods to
look for Bigfoot and you find Bigfoot, should you be trusted because you went
out to the woods to find Bigfoot? And in a lot of ways,
my answer is yeah, if thepeople who find Bigfoot are out in the
woods looking for Bigfoot, then ifthey're they're gonna be the ones if I'd

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bigfoot, They're gonna be the oneto find the ones if I'd big Foot.
So if you're seeing a family pet, it's more than likely going to
be a family member who's seeing it. It's normally not just like a random
person who didn't even have any experience. I mean, you know, my
friends who have come to visit usor who have stayed here or who live
here, know our animals. Someof them like our animals and care about

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our animals more than just like,oh, it's you know, Chris and
Kate's cat or dog, So likeit's weird because this person doesn't even have
that kind of history with this animal. So it's like why, I guess
my question is like why this isthe spirit showing up to them? Is
the spirit connected to the house?Like what I get it's maybe it's a

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house thing, because they don't sayanybody else saw it, so you have
to assume they're the only ones whosaw it. I would say that it's
probably a house thing or potentially youknow, connecting to the other family pet
u Usually the you know bonds betweenyou know, pets and living under the
same roof, you know, right, certain pets are absolutely inseparable. Sure,

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And I think honestly, what itis is that energy of that pet
was probably hanging around and because theother family members were closed off to seeing
it, and this person came inwith zero expectations, I think that's really
what did it. This person hadno reason to believe that this dog should
not be there, that dog tobe dead, and the rest of the

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family did. The rest of thefamily was definitely believed that this dog was
fully gone. And I think thatcloses you off to seeing certain things.
So so when this dog's energy manifestedfor this you know, visit, you
know, I don't know exactly howit works. I don't want to pretend

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like I do know how it works. And that's what I don't know either.
It's like what, how does anyof this work? And like that's
what we I mean, that's whywe're just kind of you know, grabbing,
you know, shooting in the darkreally like you know, right,
because like again, like they're notsaying like, oh, this isn't a
limestone house or you know, we'reon top of a deposit, a magnetic
deposit or something. It's like there'sjust a house anywhere usay, nothing about

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it is special. Like I wouldassume if there was any of those things,
they would have said something. Soit's just like a house that this
just happened in. So like whatwhy, Like I'm it's it's weird to
me because like again I think it'sjust trapped energy, but like how and
why is that energy being expelled?And is it being expelled when there aren't

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people around, you know, orif I'm walking, if I'm sleeping in
my bedroom, is there a ghostwalking up and down the hallway or do
I have to be there to seeit again? Just then just another question
here. I think the Haunting ofBlind Manner would say, no, you
don't have to see it, becausethat goes we'll walk the halls orthless,
right, And that's what I thinkme personally. Have you seen the Haunting

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of Blood Manner? I haven't.Oh well, that's a big plot point.
But like I kind of believe thatanyways, because again, like I
don't think that the entire interaction withghosts is on our side. I think
that there is something on the otherside. I don't think we're perceiving it
for ourselves. I think there issomething else going on. Does that make

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sense? Yeah, So I don'tknow this is that's it's it's interesting because
again, like it's just kind ofan innocuous little like, oh and then
I saw this dog and then thedog ran away, and it's like okay,
like and then that was their dog, all right? Sure, I
think singh photoconfirmation is like, right, like imagine being her though, right,

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well, I mean I'm with you, Like, that's that's that moment
of the story. That's the ohshit moment where it's oh my God,
like Jesus Christ, like that's thedog that I saw, or you know,
it's like, oh my God,like that's the moment. That's the
moment. Like the only thing thatcould potentially make it stronger is having her

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pick from you know, a bunchof arbitrary photos of dogs, like which
dog did you see? I lovethat? Right well, and again like
I have no reason to doubt thisperson they're posting this story on the Internet.
Not that I'm saying, oh well, anybody posting a story on the
Internet is reliable, but you Ifeel like, I don't know, there's

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something really to be gained by fakingthese stories like random internet karma. I
guess there are people who probably careso and also getting certain reactions practicing creative
writing, right, workshopping stuff justto see if they can convince people,
right, which like perfectly fine.But again, like they say no fiction,

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and we must we must take thatshare face value. I would like
to I would hope that people wouldbe listening when the mods say no fiction,
but again, I can't speak forpeople on the Internet who don't listen.
So because one of those ones weread last time was definitely fiction,
oh, yeah, the ones thatwe read last time, we're definitely fiction.

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I read one recently while I was, you know, looking for some
ones to share, and it wasso it was so written for the sake
of writing a story. It waslike one of the lines was like,
let me set the scene, andthen like towards the end, it was
like, oh, it was somethingalong the lines of like and then I

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found out that it all meant likethis, and I found out there was
this meaning behind it dot dot dot. It was like so gratuitously like a
troll, and like there were afew people in the comments that were like,
I believe you, because another thingwas like this is one hundred percent

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true, but nobody believes me.Like all of the lines, Oh,
they're trying way too hard. It'sso hard, and like oh, people
were bashing in the comments. Itwas like, don't don't be mean.
I don't know if anybody was likemean, but people were definitely calling it
out. And it's like, listen, if you're going to post to a
forum that asked for true stories specificallyfor the sake of either helping somebody or

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comparing to understand more about this likecrazy world that we live in like that
deserves some respect. Yeah, butI mean again, if they say don't
post I mean fiction, they saydon't post fiction, that's mine. Don't
don't bash anybody for their creative writing. No again, I'm not bad.

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I mean again, Like I'm justsaying that you read one of those stories
last time. That was great,it was a really well written story.
The problem is if I I'm ateacher and you're submitting that as an assignment
to me, you failed the assignment. That's the problem. Like it's a
matter of like our slash Paranormal,just like our slash ghost Stories, is

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a place for people to share theirstories about these kinds of things. And
it's not like there's not a placeto share those kinds of stories. There
are our slash No Sleep, ourslash copy Pasta. I'm sure our slash
creative writing. I'm sure. That'smy issue. That's my issue. That's
my bigger issue, because we wantto read stories from here, and people

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who are interacting with this community wantto interact with stories with good faith behind
them. And I'm not saying thatsomeone is submitting their creative writing isn't good
faith. But there are places todo that where you would get opinions from
people who may actually be worth gettingin regards to your creative writing ability,
right, I mean, and also, you know, like I said,

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the biggest reason why I think itbothers me seeing you know, stories that
are so like obviously, like youjust wrote this for the sake of writing
it in this type of setting.The reason why people post these stories one,
as I said, because they're askingfor advice or they're trying to rationalize

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something scary that happened. But therest of us, you know, the
curiosity here is trying to understand theworld around us, right, this comparing
and contrasting of experiences, trying tosee what you know, science can't explain,
logic can't explain, And that's reallyimportant to some people. It's really

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important to me. I agree,Like, especially when you're somebody who doesn't
have their own experiences, you relyon learning about the experiences of others,
which is why I love the subredditso much. Well, and that's why
I like it as well, Andthat's why I kind of am you know,
kind of like I was saying,a little bit of a hard ass

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because like I want it to staythe way that it is, because I
like the way that it is now, and the way that it is now
is people submitting these stories in goodfaith. And you and I have both
seen as well. You know,subreddits go down the tubes because everybody all
of a sudden, stuff's giving aship, which is the last thing that
I would want, especially from asubreddit like this one, where it's one

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of the few places where I believepeople are going there to share these kinds
of stories because there is nowhere elseso at least not this easy to access
in a large scale format, becauseI mean, redd it's a huge website.
I don't even know how many peopleinteract with Reddit on a daily basis,
but like one million people are onthe r slash paranormal subreddit. I

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believe that's so how many people havesub to that one, So that's a
lot of people. I will saythat I looked it up. The story
that I mentioned that was most definitelymade up has been taken down, has
it? Yeah, it's been deleted, And like part of me is like,
was that by the mods or wasthat by the original poster? Is

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it because they felt bad or isit because it was actually true and they
were getting bullied and now I feelbad. I like how, I like
how the last one is somehow youmaking it your fault. It's my fault
somehow, like any don't blame yourselffor people on the internet. Listen,
I'm allowed to feel bad. Sowhat were the comments, like, what

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were the comments like? Okay,so, okay, let me bring it
back up because I close to it. Okay. So comments were basically along
the lines of so somebody wrote,yeah, people don't believe this for a

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reason. When people are telling atrue story, they use different language,
and it's usually concise and pretty tothe point. They don't talk about oh
yeah, apparently they mentioned like detailsabout like going to a seven to eleven,
like feeling that they must go toa seven eleven to buy gatorade was
a part of it or something.So this person says, they don't talk
about gatorade, they don't remember buyinggatorade, they don't remember being thirsty.

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A big, fucking weird experience makesyou forget much of the surrounding crap.
And there was like one person thatresponded that saying he was explaining why he
went to seven eleven. That's justto keep point of the story, you
know. But then like other people, Yeah, people were like commenting on
the fact that there was like acliffhanger ending. I really like the the

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ending was like and there was amessage behind it all dot dot dot.
It's like there were people in thecomments say, like, what was the
message. I'm hugs, I wantto know, Jesus, you're invested,
and I mean, at least youknow what again like that the story for
me, like, it's simple,straight to the point, and I think

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it's a good one. So yeah, so let's do let's do one of
mine. So I found this one. This is posted by doctor a Yared.
This one has one thousand up votesand it is from seven months ago.
It is titled little Kids in Quotationsrunning around the ICU when death comes

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you in hospital stories. I know, like I've been saying in previous posts,
being part of the medical community hasafforded me the chance to evaluate patterns
in all stages of life of people, including patterns that we see at the
end of life. Some of youthat work in hospitals, or have loved
ones that work in hospitals, orhave been close to loved ones as they
took their last breaths and transition tothe great unknown may have heard of what

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I am about to describe. There'sa particular phenomenon that occurs to people in
those last moments. And I'm talkingabout the appearance of kids running around their
deathbed or just outside of their room. This is to be differentiated to the
phenomenon of closed ones of close one. This is to be differentiated to the

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phenomenon of loved ones that have passedaway visiting in days prior to their deaths.
This is different. This occurs hours, if not minutes, before their
death. I experience this with greaterfrequency when I work in the ICU unit
where people are very sick. Whatmost patients describe as cheerful kids running about
their beds in a playful manner,snickering around or just playing. Most patients

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usually respond calling the nurse and askingwho are these kids running around and where
are their parents? And scaring theliving Bejesus out of them. If they
are new nurses, if they areexperienced nurses, they know the time of
the end. Not a native Englishspeaker here. They are experienced nurses,
they know that the time is nearthem. If they are experienced nurses,
they know that the end is soonto come, and they communicate properly with

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us doctors to let us know tobe ready. Literature often chalks this phenomena
up to lack of oxygen in thebrain or neurochemical changes in process of death
and nying, but the pattern isvery recognizable and the experience is very similar
across all cultural backgrounds and ages.Almost all hospitals have a story about these
kids. And if you were enteringthe field of medicine, nursing, or
any other health allied profession, youwill certainly hear these stories. So if

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you're doing rounds in the ICU lateat night and hears some snickering or some
tiny feet running in the hallways,prepare because the call of code green or
code read is about the SoundOff onthe PA system. Oh that is fascinating.
And before you answer, the commentsare essentially a bunch of people from
the medical field going, yeah,this has happened to me, or yeah

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I heard about this, or yeahI've experienced this. So a lot of
firsthand experience people putting their hands up, and I mean this has a ton
of comments. It's just got like, oh my god, I don't even
know how much two hundred and ninetyeight comments, it's there's a lot and
people and a lot of people.You know, I worked at three hospitals.

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I've never heard of this. Thensome people saying, you know,
I've heard of this, thanks forthe insight. You know, I've people
have said girl scouts and boy scoutsshow up. Uh, you know,
people saying, you know this seeingthe kids they know they're gonna die.
So this is like a thing.I guess what's your what's your what's your

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read on this? Emma? Iguess my first question is why that specifically?
So why specifically kids? Like youknow, you hear certain things about
certain near death experiences and even uh, you know, Arthur who was my

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previous co host on my other podcast, had a near death experience that did
not happen to him as far asI know, right, And I mean,
like he was pretty pretty close tothe grave at one point, so

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I'm not sure if he just likewasn't necessarily close enough. But now it
makes me wondered, like, sois this something that like everybody experiences,
but not everybody talks about like asthey're dying, Like maybe not everybody has
like the wherewithal to point out thechildren running around, right, I'm like,

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and now I'm just like wondering,like is it really like does everybody
see it? And then the questionis why that? Is there a psychological
reason? Well, and that's whatI was That's what I was wondering as
well, because there is this thingthat they say where it's like it happens
across all backgrounds and people. It'slike, Okay, so if if,

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if how is that, how areyou how are you giving us any information
that that's not just physiological? Thenby essentially saying well, it could happen
to anybody, well, then itcould be physiological. I right, yeah,
I'd like, I'm I feel likesome people might say that rather than
ghosts, that they are angels.I feel like that's I feel like that

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is something that somebody could potentially say. Maybe somebody in the comments of that
post even said something similar. Ifeel like some people are probably going to
say, like it is angels inthe form of children to not scare you
know, should you know, tohelp you transition to a peaceful afterlife.

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I don't know, like, youknow, obviously, the concepts of angels
is a very like, you know, religiously charged one, So you could
potentially think of it more as spiritguides. I think I think those are
basically the same thing, just anotherway to talk about, you know,
your spirit team. So they say, uh, but I feel like there

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could be a psychological reason for it, and I'm just trying to think,
like, is it something evolutionary andwhy so? Obviously, like when you
are in the process of dying,your brain does what it can to cushion
the blow, right, it startsto lessen how brutal your brain turning off

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is on your body, and alsohow terrifying it is, right, like,
you know, just like losing consciousnessin general. Obviously, I don't
know if that's, you know,the case for every single person. I'm
sure there are a lot of peoplethat are absolutely terrified when they go,
even if it is a natural deathof old age. But I'm wondering if

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this is like something that just likea good portion of the population have hardwired
into them as a hallucination towards thevery tail end of your life. And
I guess potentially it's something distracting,It's something cheerful, Like it's not like

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they're saying, like it's crying children, Like it's always right it's like kids
having fun, and like to me, like that could potentially be your brain
trying to rationalize, you know,the idea of death is reminding you of
youth, right, you know,and a lot of people tend to feel
younger when they're around children. Idon't want to say that's for everybody,

(32:29):
but at least, like I wouldsay, evolutionarily, so in order to
take care of children, we areable to have more energy, we are
able to you know, that's Ithink something built in for at least a
good portion of the population, andso potentially also people with a strong maternal

(32:49):
or paternal instinct, like I knowmy mom for a fact, loves babies,
loves toddlers. We actually today haduh her friend and his and his
wife. They brought over their twolittle girls to play in our pool.
And my mom oftentimes will act,you know, like during like a normal

(33:12):
day, she said, a lotof pain, she walks very slowly around
the house, She's very low energy. And then you put her in a
room with these two little girls,and she is a different person. And
so I'm wondering for people that arebuilt like that, if that is what
your brain does for you when youare dying. Well, well, and

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that's and that is the thing thatI wonder as well, because like you
said, I I guess I wonder, like, let me ask you,
if this was you in the scenario, would you want to hear kids?
I wouldn't. Well, That's whatI'm saying, is like, because I
know you're somebody that does not wantkids and by all means totally, but
I like kids. Oh kids.That does surprise me, I'll because Okay,

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the closest person to me that doesnot want children, that is not
you, that I've talked to atlength is my sister, and she despises
children and does not want children,and so I usually associate. And like,
I'm not saying that like you haveto despise children, don't even disliked.
I don't even dislike children. Ijust I feel like there's an a

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built in adversion unless if it's likeI would love to have, you know,
a kid, I just know Iwouldn't make the best parent, and
because of that, I don't wantto bring somebody into this world. Like
also, some people don't like otherpeople's kids. That's fair too. I
mean again, there is that Imean, but I would agree with you

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I don't know. I don't know. Okay, how about this. You're
bringing up trauma, Emma, Ohmy god, Okay, wait hold on.
So you're on your death set thescene. You're on your death ending
for me her death. You're inthe midst of dying. Great, you
know you know it's coming. Howdid I so? How did I die?

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Old age? Old age? Naturalcost? You're in the ICU.
You've had a long, fulfilling life, and as you're starting to go in
and out of consciousness, if you'refeeling your body shut down on you,
you see children that weren't there momentsbefore. How did they get in here?

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But they seem to be having agreat time. How do you feel?
Oh? What? What? Whatare these kids? What were these
kids? I don't I don't knowthem. I don't fucking know. I
would be fucking terrified. Why isold you more Southern? I don't know.

(35:50):
Why not? I'm just like that. At some point it's going to
become like us Southern repscallion just anangry old Southern. What are you doing
in my swamp? I'm a fixingto call the police on you and turn
you over to the authorities. Ihate that. I hate it too.

(36:13):
I don't. I don't think Iwould want to see children. What about
you, Emma, would you wantto see kids? I like, I
just it's fucking weird. It isweird. I don't know if children necessarily
is like something that I would wantto see, but I do think it
would be distracting and potentially nice,depending on like how obnoxious it is.

(36:35):
Like if they're like running around andlike screaming, then I'm like, I'm
dying, can you like give mesome space? Please? Thank you?
But like, you know, ifthey're just like some like delightful little tots
drawing on the floor, you know, like on like copy paper and crayons,
like it's kind of nice. Imean, I don't think it would
be like my top ten, youknow what, I want to see moments

(36:57):
before I pass. I feel likethere are other things potentially that are also
delightful and distracting that I would prefer. Well, and that's and that's what
I'm thinking, is like I don'tlike for me, there's like there's no
just some random kids, because likethat's the other thing they're not saying,
like it's kids that they recognize.They're saying it's like who are these kids?

(37:19):
Like they're scared? Like I don'tread this story in like a positive
way. I read this in likea strange and like upsetting way where it's
like you're dying and these random kidsshow up and you're just like, what
the fuck is going on? Isee three possible reasons, and they all

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come from three very different schools ofthought. So the logical reason would be
what I'm describing, which is thepotential of this being an evolutionary tree in
certain people to cushion the blow ofdeath. Okay, so that's let's go
down that route. Well, Imean, I feel like I exhausted that
I mean, but I mean,like to your point, like, if
we go down that route, that'slike what the most like grounded explanation.

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I would say that that is themost logical grounded explanation. Okay, So
the next explanation would be the religiousexplanation, and that would be potentially angels
and or spirit guides, that theseare just the form of your angels helping
a transition or your spirit GUIDs helpinga transition. And I think the last
way to view this is that thoseare just straight up ghosts, like these

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are children that have died in thishospital and they're still here, like and
they're like, hey, it's notso bad. We're having a grand time,
you know, we're just we' stillthe crayons from the Yeah, I
get right down the hall. Imean, that's that's my point. Like,

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if it's just random kids that you'reseeing what I do, I just
don't get it. I think allthree reasons are equally likely depending on your
belief system. If you are atotal skeptic, I think it's fair to
say that this is probably something psychological. If you are very religious, I
think it's fair to say that theseare angels or spirit guides of some sort.

(39:15):
And if you're just like into theparanormal shit and nothing else, then
it's ghosts. I mean, like, I don't see any other thing that
it potentially could be. I thinkthose are like the only three explanations.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Canyou think of anything else? No?
I think I think for me,I think that they're seeing something. How

(39:38):
or why or what they're seeing isunimportant. But I genuinely believe these people
are seeing something. But yeah,I think there's only three possible outcomes here,
which I think it is I don'tknow. I don't think it's ghosts.
I don't think it's I don't wellif it's good, If it's ghosts,
it is children that have died inthe hospital. And so at that

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point, the way that you wouldprove it, which you can't because the
person's fucking dying. But let's saythat they had the wherewithal and you had
the time. They points out childrenand you say, here are some photographs,
which were they right? Like,you know, identified the child?
The ghost children that you're seeing,if they are you know, patients,
Like here's a photobook of arbitrary children, some of them have been prior patients

(40:23):
that have passed. Here, youknow, which are have you been seeing?
And if they point to patients thathave definitely passed, these children that
have definitely passed in this building,then boom, it's ghosts, hands down,
no other explanation. That's like theonly way that you could prove without

(40:44):
a doubt in my opinion, thatit is ghost activity. Specifically, is
you know again, like, canyou identify these children? Here is a
photobook of all children patients we've everhad, only some of them have died.
Which ones did you see? Right? But again, the person is
fucking dying. That's the last thingthey wanted to do. Well, that's

(41:06):
the last thing they need to bebothered with exactly. And I would never
expect unless if somebody is very willingand they say, I'll let you know
if I see the dead kids,make sure you have the photo book handy
when I'm going, right, Iwant to be a part of history,
you know. But like other thanthat, I guess like in order to

(41:27):
prove the logical side of things ishave it, you know, up to
like an MRI right right, andsee what the brain does. I don't
know exactly what you would have tosee in order to differentiate hallucinations versus the
brain just like spazzing out or thebrain just necessarily like seeing something as if

(41:47):
it were actually there, you know. Like I don't know if there's a
way to say, like if thebrain responds differently during a hallucination versus you
know, just seeing something as ifit were real, right, because I
can only assume that if the brainisn't lighting up the hallucination, you know,

(42:10):
factors that it is something real inthat room. But then again,
like so that that's all that Iwould think because like, you know,
if I if I showed you,you know, a picture of a tree,
and you were like, yep,that there's a tree, and I
had you hooked up to an MRI, like your hallucination sensors wouldn't go off.
But if I, you know,showed you a picture, you know,
of a tree, and all ofa sudden you see like a woman

(42:34):
standing in front of the tree thatisn't supposed to be there, and then
then the hallucination markers in your MRIscan would go off, Like I don't
know, I don't know, sothat something MRI related. I'm no neuro
scientists, but something MRI related.And then if it's religious, yeahkes that's

(42:57):
all I can say. I don'tknow. I don't think that's I'm not
a religious person. I've been dabblingin the idea of spirit guides, not
necessarily angels, although I think they'reprobably interchangeable concepts right. I've been experimenting
with looking out for signs and angelnumbers, which is a story that I

(43:22):
would love to share with you onan episode. I don't know if this
is the episode to do it.It's something that I've been kind of kind
of experimenting with the past couple ofmonths. For those that don't know,
I am a skeptics turned semi spiritualwith if you watch You Know the podcast

(43:44):
I was in previously, which isStrange Beliefs. I was interviewing my co
host Arthur, who is a witchwho's had paranormal experiences, and over the
course of forty ish episodes, Islowly went from skeptic to believer, as
somebody who's never had paranormal experiences arespiritual experiences, you know. The more
we did tarot and the more hetold me stuff that I just couldn't explain

(44:07):
away, like, I slowly startedto believe more over time. So rather
than being a total skeptic, nowI'm more in the boat of you know,
if there is something to this world, I want to know about it,
and let's say, manifestation and crystalsand shit fucking do work. I
want to be a part of that, because that's awesome. I wouldn't want

(44:27):
to they wouldn't. I want tomanifest my own perfect reality. If that's
something I can feasibly do, right, why wouldn't. I'm there with you?
Like I agree, So I guessit's it's time for a manifestation update.
Yeah, that's what it sounds like. We have to schedule one.
Find the schedule, put it onthe goddamn schedule. Stop talking about your

(44:52):
fucking our slash paranormal. Let's doa manifestation update. I will say,
if this, you know, ifthis is maybe there's a fourth option and
they're manifesting these things, could thatbe the fourth fourth option? Explain how
that's different from the other three they'remanifesting. Yeah, well, I guess

(45:13):
it's not any different than your braina coping mechanic exactly. At that point,
it's just a hallucination. You're you'retrying to conjure the image of something.
You're saying, like what I wantto see before children running around my
bed. I would say that stillchalks it up to a hallucination. Yeah,
that's fair. And if you say, like I'm they were making them.

(45:35):
They were making it happen, though, like hallucination is like when you
say hallucination, it sounds a littlebit like they're not hands on with it.
I'm talking, you can induce hallucinations. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I guess it's like I would say, it's akin to lucid dreaming at
that point, that's fair. Iwould say, at that point, if

(45:55):
you're potentially in a state where youknow, akin to lucid dreaming, like
you know, if you're sleeping andyou know you're asleep you're dying, and
you know you're dying, and you'relike, oh, my brain's doing wacky
things. Let's just have fun thislast half hour while I'm on this earth.
But that would still be a hallucination. It would just be a lucid

(46:16):
hallucination elucidation. Yeah, I guessso you're right, a hallucidation hallucidation.
I think so. I mean,I think you're right. So I am
a little interesting, Pats we wentdown with this one. I mean,
hey, this is not my firstrodeo with our slash paranormal. I've been

(46:37):
doing this before you It's true.Hey, this is the kind of conversations
I've already been having, and wedo have a couple. If you like
this content, you could check outmy old podcast because I do have some
episodes like this, except it iswith somebody who's had paranormal experiences and as
a witch and is kind of Iwould say, an expert, but definitely

(47:00):
very knowledgeable, a lot less highenergy than me too. You are the
high energy one over there, notme, of course, I know,
but here you're not the high energyone. The dulcet tones of his,
the dulcet British tones. Correct.But yeah, I mean, I really

(47:21):
like this. I wish I couldsay it's as like cut and dry as
my story that I had shared,you know, like I can't logic that
away with with anything, Like youcan't say that's a hallucination if she had
never seen this dog before and describedit perfectly, you know, right?
I agree? Well, and thisis I mean, for me, this
is like anything else. It's justonce again it opens up a lot of

(47:45):
questions for a rather innocuous story.Like it's just like you're hearing kids like
before you die, Like okay,but then't but like if this really is
that common, I want a documentaryon this. Yeah, me too,
I'm with you. I would watcha documentary about the ICU children. I
would. I would, hands down. It's it's interesting. It's a definitely,

(48:07):
it's an interesting I don't know,it's it's an interesting kind of side
avenue into the death question because it'sit interacts with death but like not in
a way that you might expect.Here's a question, does not one that
you can answer, But for thesake of conversation, does this happen outside

(48:28):
of hospitals? Well? Probably Iwould think so, because if so,
I think that's an even stronger pointfor not ghosts, Like I feel like
that would knock ghosts out. Likeif this happens outside of hospitals, I
feel like that's not ghosts at thatpoint. It's either religious or hallucination.

(48:49):
Like at least we could knock oneout, you know. So I think
if I think if people are seeingthem outside of the hospital, then I
think it's just the brain doing it. But I mean it still could be
spirit guides or angels. I don'tthink being outside of the hospital and the
gates spirit guides or angels if anything, Well now I wouldn't say makes it
stronger either. I feel like locationat that point is arbitrary. But at

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least we can knock out ghosts,because I highly doubt that you would just
have like several you know, childrenthat all look like they're of the same
era exists, Like if you hadlike a death, you know, an
at home death, you know,like you're in your bedroom, like it's
like you're falling asleep, like inthat kind of thing, and you're seeing

(49:35):
children around your bed there, Well, then you have to ask yourself,
like do they look like they're allfrom the same time period? Because if
so, how why did you knoweight children, you know, all in
the I can only assume two thousandsall all die in this one house.
Well, and that's I mean again, like that's the other question is like

(49:55):
what do they what do they looklike? Because if they look it's it's
a whole thing. Yeah, butif it only happens in hospitals, I
think that's a very strong case forghosts. If it happens in hospitals and
nowhere else except except in places wherea lot of children have died, Like
I would say, that's a verystrong contender for just straight up ghost But

(50:21):
I don't think either way knocks outthe logic side of things, which is
we need to hook these people upto an MRI and we need to see
if they're hallucinations. Yeah, andthat would everything. Well, it's interesting
as a way, because again,like the brain is the brain is a
fascinating brain is a crazy organ.The brain is absolutely fascinating and like that

(50:45):
is I think being on the fencewith a lot of this stuff, like
coming from the skeptic side of thingsand being where I am now, Like
I love just talking about like howthe brain can convince us of things either
way, especially when you talk aboutmanifestation, because you know, there's this

(51:10):
idea of like, you know,if you say something enough times affirmation wise,
you can convince yourself of something.And that's because the brain is really
fucking cool. And then the questionis if it starts to reflect in your
reality, is that because now you'rejust more likely to notice it, right,
and like are you actually making ithappen? Right? And so it's

(51:31):
just the brain. The brain isso cool. We are our brain.
We're just piloting a meat suit.It's we're just fucking bone mex It's awesome.
Brains are cool. The brain isthe only organ that named itself.
Yeah, I'm right, brains arecool. It's freaky shit. So,

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Emma, do you have another storyfor us? I do? All right,
drop it on me. All right, let's see what we got.
I got a cup? Well,hmm, I always forget. We're saved.
Posts are on Reddit on my phoneokay, okay, okay, I'm

(52:13):
thinking. I'm thinking, I justhave so many. I'm seeing if I
want to do a shorter one.You know what, the length of the
story really matters because we're gonna gonnaend up talking about it for twenty minutes
anyways. So I don't think likewe we've really One of those things we
did last time was like a questionand we talked about every twenty minutes.

(52:36):
So, m these are just likethat thing, those like tip conversation starters
that you have on tables at CrackerBarrel. I have three that I could
pick from. You pick, I'mready, I'm waiting. Okay, okay,

(52:57):
okay, okay, okay, okay, we're gonna do this one.
So this is by user alta eighteight titled I clearly Remember dying? Why
am I still alive? And itgoes okay. Honestly, I had no
clue where to post this, soI thought, why I'm not here?

(53:19):
So please bear with me because thismight sound crazy. I want to say
this before I start. I'm atwenty eight year old female, healthy of
body and sound of mind. Idon't do drugs, I don't drink,
and I'm not under any form ofmedication. I haven't experienced anything paranormal time.
Now that we've heard this, thatis true. I do think people
feel like obligated to say it justso that way. No, but you

(53:40):
know, just like roll it allout. I agree. I don't know
if it's necessary, but I agree. I'm on lots of medication. I've
never had a paranormal experience, right. But anyway, that being said,
so I haven't experienced anything paranormal inmy life except for that one dorm room
which I lived back in when Iwas in college. Even then I never

(54:01):
saw anything. I just felt something, which my roommates also experienced at the
time. With that out of theway, I'm going to tell you exactly
what I went through A week ago. At about two in the afternoon,
I was coming down the stairs fromthe second floor to the first floor in
order to feed my dogg and cat. I with startling clarity, remember tripping
on the way down, falling andbreaking my neck. I have the recollection

(54:23):
of that event in my brain,which is the weirdest part. Next thing
I knew. It was almost asif somebody pressed a rewe button and I
was back halfway through the stairs.Only this time, I didn't trip.
I walked down normally, and onceI reached the first floor, I felt
so weird, like I almost likeI was almost outside of my own body
for a moment. I freaked outfor a while, and I started to

(54:44):
question my sanity. Eventually I movedpast what happened, fed my pets,
and busied myself with paperwork that day. My cat, who is usually very
aloof, kept following me around thewhole day, staring at me constantly.
He even slept on the bed thatnight, and he doesn't usually do that.
I have no way to way whathappened? Was it a hallucination?
What kind of experience? Even?Is this? So? What do the

(55:07):
comments say? First? Always dolet's do the people first? What do
the people say? So? Here'sthe thing is that a lot of people
bring up something called quantum immortality,which I tried to look into, and
I don't think my brain can comprehendwhat it means. Either that or I
couldn't find a good enough, justa concise definition. Everything was like quantum

(55:30):
mechanics. I'm like, I don'tI don't have the bandwidth for this.
Do you know what that sounds like? That sounds like something that Alex Jones
would say on Info Wars. Quantumimmortality. Ladies and gentlemen, they're turning
the frogs gay. They're putting fluoridein the water. Oh my, floride
is turning the frogs gay, andgay frogs are going to take over our
country with the democratic socialist agenda.Marxist Zionists are taking over this country.

(55:54):
I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen,this is a family show. Are you
possessed? Right now? That I'ma little longer? I thought? Sorry?
Where was I? I don't knowquantum immortality? Okay, I want
the fucking soul of Alex Jones leftmy body. Why does my room smell

(56:14):
like Cheeto's beef jerky and axe allof a sudden horrible? Yeah, I'm
trying to just find a concise whatis it. Quantum immortality usually refers to,
in a classical sense, a personwho was lucky enough to survive in
any incident in the world. Interesting, So I think what that means is

(56:40):
that if we're talking about like themultiverse, sure right, I'm assuming this
is like the multiverse theory that inyou just like you can't die from an
accident, you just like you haveexperiences of other universes where you did die
and you're just like alpha time liningit. I don't know, can you

(57:02):
what does that mean? Do youknow what that means? Can you brain
for me? You know you weregiving me a hard time because I was
doing Alex Jones, But like Iwas being serious like that that when you
said when you said that phrase,it sounds fake as fuck, is my
point? Like what that what they'reexplaining sounds more like deja vu, deja

(57:30):
reeve. I don't know, No, dej it's not deja vou. I
don't know, like overactive imagination.Like what I don't understand is like they're
at there, they're like, oh, and then I felt weird at the
end, Like what is that supposedto mean? Because like what the part
of the story I comprehend is theywere going down the stairs. They had
a vision that they ate ship downthe stairs and broke their neck. Okay,

(57:52):
you know what my wife as anxietyabout going up the stairs at our
best friend's apartment complex. Airs areperfectly fine, but they give my wife
anxiety. I don't like those arethe same thing. I don't I don't
know, but that's but I don'tknow either, because again, like I
don't know what's going through my wife'smind we're going up those stairs, other
than oh shit, I don't wantto die. Yeah, But I feel

(58:15):
like you could say that for likesomebody who has like a fear of heights.
You know, I don't think they'renecessarily as somebody, Okay, as
somebody who has a phobia. Sowe've been over this, but let's just
say, like rachnophobia, when Isee a spider, I don't imagine that
spider jumping on me and biting meand I die. That would make sense
and kind of rationalize my fear.My fear is entirely, significantly less rational

(58:37):
than that, And that's usually whenyou have a paranoia, paranoia, an
anxiety. I don't I'm sure somepeople do hallucinate, but I mean,
this person said that they are soundof mind, sound of body, and
they like this is their home.They were going down doing something very routine.

(59:00):
It didn't sound like they were anxious. It didn't sound like there was
much forethought at all. I thinklike, if you were to break this
down, you could say it's avery vivid hallucination of an intrusive thought potentially
right, But I don't think thatthat's anxiety related. Uh, I just

(59:21):
I'm just I'm trying the only Like, so the logical thing is hallucination via
intrusive thought. Your brain just remindedyou, like, hey, don't be
a dumbass and tripped down the stairs. But like to feel it, right,
And that's what I'm saying. Likethey said I felt weird, It's
like, what does that mean?I think, like you experienced this and

(59:46):
then like they said that it feltlike they were like rewind and so I
mean like that you were okay,okay, okay, okay, that's what
I'm saying. I'll see that you'reyou're struggling, you're strug well, it's
it's not a struggling thing. It'sjust like there are multiple ways of interpreting
this. My question is when theysay I feel weird, what does that

(01:00:08):
mean? Like they actually felt Ishould be what does that mean? Like
they feel like they're now existing outsideof the timeline. Like I'm trying to
figure out what feeling weird means becausethat is beyond the subjective, right,
it's the I think they say itin the title I should be dead?

(01:00:28):
Why am I not I feel.But it's the part that I'm getting hung
up on because everything but I feelweird because I experienced dying very vividly and
it was terrifying, but I'm actuallyokay, how did that happen? So
when they made it to the bottomand the bad thing didn't happen, I

(01:00:51):
also would feel weird. I don'tknow if that's something you can necessarily put
into words. I'm using my empathybrain and I'm imagining this happening to me,
and I can very vividly feel thatweirdness, at least to an approximation
of just like I too would feelvery weird, unsettled, unsettled. Well,

(01:01:12):
and see, here's the thing.So we've talked about it before on
the Halloween episode last year, thething that happened with me in that elk
when I was driving to Phoenix lastyear, which is a legitimate near death
experience, Like if we had slammedinto that thing, we would have died.
I don't know, there's no twoways about it. So I don't
particularly remember feeling off afterwards. Iremember a shitload of adrenaline, but like

(01:01:38):
you were shaken, I was shaken, but I wasn't shaking. Does that
make sense? Like I was verycalm and collected outwardly. Inward it was
a different story. I think that'syour problem right there, is that you
experience these sorts of terrors horrible thingsin a calm way, because that's how

(01:02:04):
you learned to cope with big scarythings. You were like, I must
remain level headed in order to makesure that things are okay, and that's
the way that you cope with bigscary things. Yeah, I guess,
I don't. I don't. Idon't know. Again, Like it's my
whole thing is like I have experiencedwhat they are talking about, and it's
like it is scary, but likeI just want to know what they mean

(01:02:28):
by it feels weird, like theyfeel if they feel like they should be
dead. I want to And I'mnot just saying I want to know what
that feeling is, but like Ikind of want to know what that feeling
is, Like I want to knowwhat that feels like. I think the
reason why you didn't experience it duringthe whole ELK thing is that you didn't
have the chance to. You weredriving, you had a place to be,
you didn't just pull off to theside of the road, put your

(01:02:50):
head in your hands, and sayI need twenty minutes, which is something
that I would have done what Iprobably should. I probably should have.
You probably should if you would havemade better decisions if you did rather.
I mean, I'm not saying thatyou made bad decisions, but I'm just
saying that I probably would have madereally horrible driving decisions if I didn't give
myself some time to process what hadhappened. I don't think you gave yourself

(01:03:12):
a chance to process until you werefinally off the road, and then by
that point it was so far backyou didn't really have a chance to really
think through vividly would had taken place. You sort of were like, I
am in a position or I cannotand I must bury this and move on.
And so when you finally had achance to sit down and say,

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holy shit, I could have died, it wasn't super vivid in your brain
because you all your brain already copedby pushing it down. M Yeah,
maybe, I bet. I betKate probably feels differently because she had a
lot of time to process because shewasn't driving. Yeah, but she's a
she's she's a strong she's stronger thanI am. So she's stronger than I

(01:03:58):
am in that respect. It probablyrattled her less that it rattled me.
But I would say that this personwhat they experienced when you ex you,
I feel like you just you experiencedsomething terrible, horrible happening. You know
what? Actually you know what?Not we're gonna look at it from this
lens. You've have you ever hada dream where you died? No,

(01:04:23):
we're not bringing up the memes.I thought we were doing a bit.
I thought you were doing the bit. And I say a sentence genuinely the
way you said it, though youcannot me. Have you ever had a
dream horrible? I saw what Isaw a TikTok like that recently where I
was like, so you're toward aleani. So you're telling me that the
tarta toward the leanie, toward theleanie, And it was the same thing,

(01:04:47):
And I was just like, amI fucking high? So No,
we're not doing we're not doing thebit. We're not doing the bit.
Go ahead. Have you had adream where you have died? Let me
think about that. I've had adream that I have died, not that

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I can remember. Specifically, howabout a falling dream. Yes, I've
had those plenty of times. Okay, so we'll say we'll use that that
feeling when you wake up and you'reremembering where you are, remembering that that
was not reality, and coming backinto consciousness. I would say it's more

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akin to that moment, except imaginethat drawn out because it felt much because
you're able to immediately rationalize that andbe like, yes, that was a
dream, right, So imagine you'renot able to do that, and instead
you're stuck in that feeling because youcan't rationalize it. So if you were
just in bed you felt like youwere falling, you you feel like in

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your soul that you were falling andyou can't explain it away and you just
get up and go on with yourday. Interesting, did that help again?
I think that this is like thisis just this. I don't know
what this is because it is soweird. It's weird, And what's weird
about it is they're walking down thestairs and then they see it and then
it like rewinds them like that,like I don't know, like that's like

(01:06:24):
straight out of final destination. Thatthat mechanic that they're talking about it's like
I would like zoom in on theeye of the character final destination, right,
And that's like for me, Idon't know. Like again, that's
why I was trying to figure outwhen they said they felt weird, that's
the part of the story that tome just didn't jibe because the rest of

(01:06:45):
it sounds kind of fake. Iwould okay, okay, okay, okay,
okay. Here, like that's strainingif we're gonna use final Destination as
the example. So imagine that youhave the Final Destination where you're like the
first scene like the plane like goingdown or on the plane or going down,

(01:07:05):
and you're like so into it's sovivid, and then you rewind,
you wake up and you're still atthe airport, right, And then obviously
what happens is that people wind upgoing on You decide not to go on
the plane, people go on theplane, and then the plane, you
know, blows up. So inthis reality and what I'm trying to say,

(01:07:25):
you just sort of push that down, pretend that didn't happen. You
go on the plane and the planeis fine, and it really was just
a very vivid, terrifying hallucination.And that's all it was. Imagine sitting
on the plane at that point,maybe even touching down and realizing that that
that horrible thing that was so vividnever happened, right, and you're just

(01:07:47):
sort of stuck in this. Whyam I still here? Right? I
very vividly remember that I should notbe here? Hmm. Interesting, Yeah,
I don't know. I think whatwe call that? What do you

(01:08:08):
call that? Weird intrusive thoughts?I mean, at that point, that's
the only thing I could chalk itup to if we're going to logic it
away. It's a very weird,like if a hallucination and like some sort
of intrusive thought had a love craftyand horror baby, Like, that's like

(01:08:31):
all I can think of. It'sit's weird because like again I don't know
how to rationalize. Like, youseeing yourself dying. I mean I think
that's a good thing. Yeah,well, and again, like it's not
just seeing yourself dying, it's seeingyourself dying and feeling yourself dying. It's
so strange. It's very strange.Oh you're you're finally starting to feel it.

(01:08:58):
Yeah, there we go, Weout there. It only took like
ten metaphors but we got there againagain again. For me, this whole
issue it rests on, it restson something else I think it rests on.
I think for me this rests onit sounds too good to be true

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in the way that they're describing it. I would say that potentially, if
I can look into what the funquantum immortality actually is, I feel like
that could be a very interesting episodetopic. But I feel like that would
require me to do a lot ofbrain gymnastics, which I don't love doing

(01:09:41):
if I can avoid it. Buteverything everywhere, all at once. It
is very Kinton to that, Iwould say. I would say it's very
like it has basis From what Ican understand, it has the basis and
the multiverse theory, and I thinkwhat it means is like just in your
alpha time line, no accident cankill you, and so you experience that

(01:10:06):
accident happening in a separate timeline,but you yourself are quote unquote immortal.
Oh okay, sure, that's Imean, hey, guys, correct me
if I'm wrong, because that's meleaning off of like a Cora response.
But like, that's that's what IThat's why I think it means. Why

(01:10:32):
not do you have another one forus, Yeah, let's do one more.
That last one is uh, Ithink we fertity. I think we
forgot to up vote and or down. Yeah, I think I vote.
But that's just I like that termquantum immortality. I like that. I
like that term. So let's let'slet's finish this one out strong. So

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this episode or this episode, thisstory is from twenty seven days ago.
It is written by Atomic Hip twentynine sixty two. For us, it's
got sixty five up votes, threecomments. And this is from our slash
ghost Stories, not our slash Normal. So let's all of the quantitative data

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that you're throwing well, I meanagain, they need all that information.
So this is how it starts.This requires a bit of backstory. When
I was born, it was justbeing my mom, and because of this,
I became quite clinging. She wasthe only one I had and the
only person I really knew. Becauseof this, I developed extreme separation anxiety
whenever I wasn't around her. Soin order to sleep in my own room,

(01:11:36):
I needed her to come in andsay good night, and I would
often sneak into her room in themiddle of the night and sleep there every
night. I would yell for her. Every night. I would yell for
her to come into my room.She would sit on the edge of my
bed reassure me it was safe,turn off the lamp next to my bed,
and close the door, having itjust cracked enough where a little bit
of light would shine through the hallway. Her bedroom was quite literally across the

(01:11:59):
hallway from mine, so when Iwould wake up in the middle of the
night scared, I'd slowly creak openmy door and easily walk over to her
room, and I'd always know shewas in there because her door was cracked
the same way mine was. WhenI was around three years old, she
got remarried, which meant I couldn'tsneak into her room quite as often,
so her coming in and saying goodnight was a crucial part of me being
able to sleep. I remember thisnight so clearly. I was around four

(01:12:24):
or five years old. I getinto bed, my lamp is on,
and my door is wide open.I yell for my mom. I'd like
I did every night, and noresponse. This wasn't necessarily unusual, because
sometimes she would be in a differentpart of the house and I would just
have to yell a few more timesbefore she heard me. I yell and
yell, but she never comes,and I start to become quite anxious.
I remember my mind racing with fear. I thought something terrible must have happened

(01:12:45):
to her to not hear me yellingfor her. But I just kept yelling,
Mom, Mom. I just keptyelling and yelling and began to cry.
And when all of a sudden,I see this woman enter my doorway.
The woman is very misty, almostlike a cloud, and all of
a sudden, this comfort feeling fellover me and I stopped crying. She
stood in my doorway and smiled atme, then became waving her hand,
motioning me to come out into thehallway. I then saw her slowly disappear.

(01:13:10):
I got up and walked into thehallway and she was gone. I
see my mom's door wide open andno one inside. I then started to
hear noise come from our basement thatI couldn't hear from inside my room.
I walked down to the basement andsee my mom and her husband watching a
movie a little too loud, andwhen they see me, they pause,
and I can see my mom realizeshe hadn't said good night to me yet.
She then brings me upstairs and putsme to bed. I never really

(01:13:31):
told anyone about this, but it'salways something I remembered because of how she
smiled at me and made me feelless scared. It was almost as if
she was trying to tell me mymom was fine, and she just couldn't
hear me. It's also something Ilearned from a young age that not all
ghosts are scary or out to harmyou. And I've always appreciated that thought.
That story didn't go where you thoughtit was going to go, did
it. No, not entirely,Although I love the wholesome twist. That's

(01:13:59):
why I picked it, because thathad that little it's it's a little different.
It's not, it's it kind of. I think it does something that
I'm not a huge fan of,which is like makes an assumption about something
where it's like, oh, theghost is friendly. It's like we all
knew Casper, can't we know Casper'sa nice ghost because Casper has said he's

(01:14:19):
a nice ghost. This ghost justwent and disappeared. So I don't know
the Cusper call himself a friendly ghost? Or was that so it was that
a label that was given described friendlyghost Casper. No, No, I
think that was just like because hewas really bad at scaring people. So

(01:14:40):
it's like his uncles or whatever thefuck. We're like, he's a friendly
ghost, and that's then friendly parenthesesderogatory. I like that, like that
his friend his uncles, they arehis uncles. That is true. I
think that's what they were calling.No, they are they're his uncles.

(01:15:00):
Yeah, can I please? Canwe get on a T shirt? Friendly
parentheses derogatory, friendly derogatory. Thecomments are just like, oh, thank
you for sharing, and oh,you know, great story. What do
you think of this story? Imean, the first thing that I think
is sure ghost who died in thathouse? Or what ancestor is attached to

(01:15:26):
you that you don't know of thatjust wanted to let you know that your
mom was downstairs. Like what whata benign, simple thing to only happen
once? Right, Like it's notlike other you know, paranormal activities surrounded
this according to the story, likethis really seemed like a one time thing.

(01:15:49):
So to me, this very muchsays ghost potentially guardian angel if you
want to get back into that.But I'm gonna say ghost. I'm gonna
say ghost. Because the whole likesea three through thing, although I mean
we said in the in the Dogstory that it wasn't see through. I
don't know. I don't know ghostrules. I don't I don't know ghost

(01:16:12):
rules. I don't know if likeit's dependent on amount of energy or some
shit like I that is literally somethingthat we can only speculate on as humans,
is what it takes to make aghost look the way a ghost does.
Because if it's like I could understand, potentially like okay, it's energy

(01:16:34):
related. So like a ghost withlike depleted energy is see through and a
ghost with more energy is solid.Right again, Like that's or is it?
Or is it more based off ofhow you perceive them, not necessarily
how they're presenting themselves one again,that's that's the that's that's the question.

(01:16:58):
That's the side of a point.But it is besides the point. I
think the point here is is thatwhatever this thing is, it is obviously
benevolent. I think that's you know, like a lot is to say how
you feel when you see it,Like I would say most definitely either the

(01:17:18):
spirit of a loved one, potentiallyan ancestor I can only assume because this
person didn't seem to recognize. SoI'm not going to say like a grandparent
or even a great grandparent. Iwould say a couple couple down the line
from that, potentially one that you'vejust never seen a photo of, maybe,
especially like if your family, youknow, also three years old in

(01:17:42):
this story, right, And Imean at that point, you have great
facial recognition, right, and obviouslyjust like it's hard to remember at that
point. Maybe it was maybe itwas like a great grandparent and they just
you know, they saw they seephotos of their great grandparents and it just
doesn't click. But either that orsomebody very kind died in that house or

(01:18:11):
spirit guide. Yeah. And again, like you know, when I was
reading this story, I wasn't expectingthe wholesome twist. I was expecting like
there was the woman standing in witha title like the woman in the doorway,
Like you know, you're expecting kindof one thing and those of their
expectations. Yeah, it's something elseentirely, And I do. I'm with
you. I like that because againlike yeah, you know, uh,

(01:18:34):
three years old. I guess Imight interpret it this way. Again,
I don't know, it's interpretation kindof doesn't matter really, right, right,
they didn't feel threatened, and Ithink that's what matters, And I'm
glad that they could feel comforted bythis type of presence. Yeah, and
again like that for me is like, you know, okay, so they

(01:18:56):
weren't feeling any untoward negative emotions,so must not have been bad, all
right, I could get down withthat sick, right, Yeah, I
love it. I love it.I am so happy for this person have
such a great experience. I feellike that is very normal with children.
Like when you hear usually it's likeyou see the ghostly figure and they play

(01:19:20):
with you, right, and you'relike, mommy, mommy, there was
a nice lady in my room whotold me to how to play with my
toys or something there, like readme a story book. Like I feel
like you hear that a lot.Obviously that's not the case all the time,
especially in like I think in movies, it way more often skews negative.

(01:19:43):
But I feel like whenever you hearlike these allegedly true stories, it's
always like something relatively benevolent when itcomes to a child seeing a figure.
You're right, and I guess that'sI guess that's not a bad thing.
No, it's only in fiction wherethey're mean I give it enough vote,

(01:20:05):
Yeah, I give it enough voteto it. It had it had a
it had a different ending to it. I love it. Yeah. Yeah
it's and it's believable to me.Yeah. Yeah, Hey, we gotta

(01:20:25):
we gotta stick to a system wealready forgot to, like a boot slash
down there. I think I'm justtrying to think, like, yeah,
I agree, like, yeah,I think it's I think it's again it's
not it's not doing too much.So in that it's not doing too much.
I think it's like perfect amounts ofbelievable. Yeah, it's a very
short, concise story. It makessense that you don't have like a ton

(01:20:46):
of memory about what this person lookedlike. It's not like they described exactly
like facial features or like you know, hair color, Like it was just
a woman see through rights because becauseyou were because you were three, right
exactly, Like at that point,like how much memory can you really like

(01:21:08):
visual memory can you really have?Yeah, and that and again like that's
kind of the things about this storythat I like, or that it kind
of has these weird modifiers that arelike, oh, well, you know,
you can't have an adult, soit's like a kid kid seeing an
adult is different than like a teenagerseeing an adult or an adult seeing an
adult. So yeah, I like, I like that. Yeah, I

(01:21:30):
know this is a this is agood one. Definitely an up vote for
sure. Hey, so they havea question for me. So I looked
and like the problem with the problemwith the questions is like sometimes they're like
not really questions. It's like,do you guys have a It's like people
asking for scary stories and like,I don't know, like some of these
you don't have any. You haven'ttold me you have never had an experience,

(01:21:53):
so it's like you can't answer that. Are we gonna next the question?
Well, I don't know. I'mjust I'm looking here. Well here's
a good one. So maybe you'llhave an answer for this. What is
the most terrifying experience you've had inyour life that you believe can only be

(01:22:16):
explained as paranormal? Mm? Iknow you have ones? Yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah for sure too.I that could only even have anything borderline
like you've never even told me anything. That's like okay, okay, okay,
okay, maybe something. Okay,this will be a first I've never

(01:22:40):
heard this before. If you tellif you tell this, I mean,
I have a horrible memories, SoI might have told you for all I
know, but I definitely I don'tknow if I said it on the podcast.
When I was seventeen, I wasworking as a pseudo camp counselor for
half the summer. It was actuallya horrible job and I'm not going to

(01:23:00):
get into that, but basically acouple of the camp counselors one night,
specifically, there was like one guywho was like very he came off as
like a very alternative, Like hewas maybe like two years older than me,
and he was like he he saidthat he had an Ouiji board and

(01:23:24):
he wanted to like go into therewas like a building that was unlocked on
you know camp grounds. It wasalmost like, uh, you know,
like a dance hall sort of likewhere you you know, like the big
mirror and like the yeah. Soit was like it was it was a
big room like that, and itwas nighttime. It was unlocked, so

(01:23:46):
we were able to go in.He brought his Auiji board, a couple
of other things, like he broughtlike his lighter, he brought like a
pettigram, which wasn't supposed to beseen as satanic. It was supposed to
be seen as like a protection thing. Every he did like protection esque things.
It wasn't like demonic. From whatI could tell, he seemed very

(01:24:08):
knowledgeable. He was giving me anda couple other people pointers on like how
to use it, and so wedid the thing. And I mean,
yeah, I'd be lying if Isaid I wasn't a little scared, right,
just because I mean, we're ina dark room in a creepy at

(01:24:30):
night building. Well I don't knowthat. Well, fucking around with an
Uiji board, which I've been toldmany times by many people not to do
correct even if you do have bestpractices. So I don't remember the questions
that they asked. But I waslike, like if I get asked like

(01:24:53):
one question, because another thing islike when I the first camp like I
went to was like specific it wasa sleepaway camp when I was like twelve,
specifically a Jewish sleepaway camp. SoI think I just like associate camps
with like Judaism, even if thiscamp was not. And so something that
was brought up to me like thatI thought of was my hubrew name and

(01:25:15):
I wanted to know if I livedup to my Hebrew name. In that
moment, I was seventeen and veryinsecure. So for those that don't know,
my Hebrew name is Eli Cheva Brajaand the Braja part means blessing.
And the reason why I was namedthat is because my mom had two miscarriages
before me. So you know,when you're told that you're a blessing and

(01:25:40):
you try, you try to bethat for other people, it's I mean,
like obviously, like nobody held meto that standard, but I think
I held myself to that standard,and I wanted to know. I wanted
to ask the spirits in their opinion, did I live up to that?
And you know, we all haveour hands on the little planchet and I

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just say, like, I don'ttell anybody in the room, you know
what my Hubrew name is. Ididn't give them any background on this.
I just asked the board, didI live up to my Hubrew name.
They didn't know what my Hubrew namewas or what it meant, like nobody
else in the in the circle,I suppose, and the Planchett moved to
yes, and I got very emotional, which I was not expecting, and

(01:26:26):
like I came out of that aslike it was a very positive experience and
like it felt very tangible. It'snot the first time I've ever touched n
guiji board. We had one growingup here, and my sister and I
would go into the basement with likea friend or something, and like I
couldn't tell if they were fucking withme or not. You know, when

(01:26:49):
you're when you're a little younger sibling, you believe anything, and for all
you know, they could have beenmoving it. But you know, you
never know, especially in a darkroom, it's so hard to tell.
I don't think they moved it.I don't think they moved it. So
let's say, suspension of disbelief,Planchet moved on its own. That's already

(01:27:13):
pretty scary. Anything moving on itsown is pretty scary. Well, have
you used in a wage board.I have not in a long time,
and I wouldn't I know. Imean, the idea behind the wage board
is micro movements. Move it aroundthe board, and everybody is like tacitly
agreeing to move it. And thenI mean that's it's essentially like mass delusion,

(01:27:38):
right potentially, I mean, well, like but that's like, that's
the explained away version, Like Idon't necessarily believe that. I don't know,
and I guess like I've been toldby people to not fuck with them,
people who are like I have afamily member who's X, Y and
Z, and they said not tofuck with it. And that has nothing
to do with micro movements. Iknow that you know what could what I

(01:28:00):
could. I'm always like, ohman, you know what I should have
done, like skeptic wise, ifI was there to like prove something to
myself, I should have asked theboard what my hubrew name was, and
like really committed to not like justkeeping my fingers as lightly on it as
possible, not moving it and justlike letting it go because like I said,

(01:28:23):
nobody in that circle knew that aboutme. I might have mentioned it
to you, but I don't knowif you even necessarily remembered it and or
even how to spell it, andso like, if if an AWIGI board
was able to spell out my hubrewname, maybe I even close my eyes
and I ask them to read outthe letters as we're doing it, like

(01:28:44):
to take all of it, likeall of that out just maybe then I
would say I don't know if everysingle time you open an Ouiji board it's
spiritual, but that time it was. Obviously when you open up you know,
any potential gateway you welcome. Youdon't necessarily welcome, but you have
the potential to welcome and that energy. I'd like to think that this person

(01:29:10):
did all the precautions if that wasthe case, but you never know.
I don't recommend using a Wigi board, but it was a positive experience.
I remember being scared, and Ican't really explain it away other than they
all just decided to move it toguests and I got emotional because I'm a
big baby. I don't know,I don't think it's that. I mean

(01:29:30):
again, like I weigi boards arelike dowsing rods, Like it's not I
don't know, Like I believe inWigi board more than dowsing rods. But
at the same time, they wereeasy to debunk. But I don't know,
Like I, like I said,I've had people tell me don't fuck
with Weiji boards, So it's like, you don't say that about something that's
just I mean, like I willsay that I wound up getting fired,

(01:29:59):
so I mean, it was myfirst job. I don't think I was
doing a bad job. I didwind up getting fired for some really dumb
reasons. So maybe I did openup a bad spirit to give me some
shit luck. Maybe that was somereally shit luck. I'll have to tell
you outside. I don't think.I don't think I have told you how
terrible this job was. I don'tthink it's very scary stories related, although

(01:30:24):
atrocious business practices are pretty fucking scary. Yeah, the scariest story of them
all capitalism, right, I thinkfor me, like obviously, I've had
multiple stories of things that have happenedthat are paranormal. So I don't even
think I can really answer the question. It was more a question directed at
you because, like we've said,like I have a couple episodes of this

(01:30:45):
show, an episode on your showwhere I talk about the things. Yeah,
so it's like I need to talkabout it again. You know,
there's a couple of ghosts chilling inyour house, soeah, yeah, something.
I think I talked about it onthe last paranormal episode. We did.
Probably just talk about it every time, and just really right, that
is every time. Now I'm gonnatell a story, so yeah, I

(01:31:08):
didn't know that story. So Idon't know what to tell you. It
sounds ah do you do you upvoteit? Yeah? I think I think
you're you have a You've got agood story, and I think your story
is also one that again, likeit's a Wiji board thing, and like
people have really strong feelings about Weijiboards. So I don't recommend it.

(01:31:30):
You shouldn't do it, even ifyou're somebody who really knows what you're doing,
unless this is like something that youdo for like a fucking living and
you're very good about cleansing your energyor some shit. Even then, I
don't know if I recommend it,but just if you're an amateur, stay
away from it. Like I said, I got fired. I don't know
if that was because of the Awigiboard, but I'm sure it didn't help,
right, Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, though, just don't

(01:31:54):
mess with them. I mean again, they're they sound like fun and you
can probably have fun with them.It was a great bonding experience, you
know. Like I said, beforeI got fired, I got to I
got to hang out with the actualcamp counselors. I was a glorified babysitter,
That's really what I did. SoI got to hang out with like
the actual camp counselors. That waspretty cool. But like, you know,

(01:32:16):
you can get that same experience goingto a graveyard at night or watching
a scary movie with some friends,Like you don't have to fuck with an
OWIGI board to you know, tofix that. That's fair, That's very
fair. But yeah, I thinkI think that's all I got. Yeah,
I was about to say, Emma, if another r slash paranormals in

(01:32:39):
the book, So when you're nothere talking about that with me, where
can people find you? Floating inthe universe, just sort of existing.
If you guys are curious about myprevious podcast that I mentioned several times in
this episode, so that is strangebeliefs. All of the episodes are on
YouTube as well as I believe Apple, Google, potentially Spotify. I have

(01:33:01):
not checked on it in so long, but all the episodes are up if
you're curious. And the episode thatChris was talking about, if you haven't
heard his paranormal story, it wasactually the last episode that we uploaded,
So if you guys are curious allabout that paranormal story, feel free to
go check out that episode. Itwas a really fun one. Yeah,

(01:33:24):
it was I remember recording it ayear ago? Now yeah, more more
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the music for the show. Youcan find him on Spotify just search Blondo.
Emma, thank you for joining me. As always, our slash Paranormal
is always a fun time. Yeah. I love this type of content.
It is so fun discussing and attemptingto be bunk. Yeah, it is.
I think it's a great time.And hey, if it gets people

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to go read those stories, that'sthe more important part. So definitely.
Yeah. And oh before we getobviously, if you guys have any stories
that you want to share and youwant us to you know, potentially read
them on an episode, please pleasesend them our way, whether it's a
comment somewhere or you know, aDM on her Instagram, or even an

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email potentially just yeah, just findfind a way to shove them in our
faces, and we'd be more thanhappy to read it exactly. And speaking
of reading things, we'll let ourgood friend, the former host of Sidings,
mister Tim White, lead us out. No mystery is closed to an
open mind.

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