A Good Friday with Sy from Ourlads

Dave Syvertsen from Ourlads returns to the show for our annual draft week special. We went through prospects and philosophy which resulted in a mock draft of sorts. Tune in for the results. I think most Giants fans would be thrilled with this outcome. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to another edition of the Scouts on our podcast.
Please to be joined today by a return guest, Dave
Cyberson from our Lads Scouting Service, The Man, the Myth,
the Legend. Welcome back. Say how you doing, buddy, Dave?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
What's up? My man? They basically talk in face to
face like this once a year, and that always makes
me happy because that means the draft is very close.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, it's normally draft week. I got some scheduling conflicts
next week, so appreciate you making the time a week
from Day two, which is the more important day than
day one in our is day two day three. So
not always a pleasure chatting with you. You're one of
the few guests that we can really dive deep into
the weeds on prospects that are later on that most

(00:45):
people don't get to, so I always love chatting through
those folks with you this time of year.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, definitely. I mean that's where you know, I know,
the first round gets attention, and every time I'm on
with someone, we'll spend twenty minutes talking about Shader Sanders
an Avil or Travis Hunter, which is fine because that
is what a lot of people want to hear about,
But the draft is won and lost once the first
round is over, you know. And I think a lot
of the New York Giants, in particular, their struggles have
come from a lot of swings and misses on Day

(01:14):
two and round four, and that is where I think
the sweet spot of this draft is. And this is
where it can turn around fast. We saw it last
year with the Washington Commanders. It wasn't just Jaden Daniels.
Things can turn around fast if you draft well, especially
arounds two, three, and four, and then this draft especially,
that's where the starters are found.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
And consistently too. I mean, everybody thinks that they had
a halfway decent draft last year. Time will tell on
the longevity of that. But if they can continue with
some good momentum this year and then next year, then yeah,
we're in a completely different position then we've been in
years past. But they have a lot of opportunity on
Day two between that early second round pick and then

(01:56):
the two third round picks, and then right off the
back of that to start Day three. So hopefully they
can nail some of those picks, if not all of them,
and then we can really turn this ship in the
right direction. But I guess then let's start with day two.
Top of the second most of the attention is in

(02:17):
the trenches. There should be, in theory, somebody that falls
in our lap on the defensive line, on the offensive line. Names.
Everybody brings up the Oregon guys Connor Lee and Harmon,
you know, Ohio State, Donovan Jackson, Kenneth Grant from Michigan.
Who's your ideal scenario? Gray Zabel is another one that

(02:41):
I don't think he's gonna last. If he does, I'll
be jumping for joy. But who's sort of like the
ideal candidate for you there at the top of the
second round.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Ideal candidate to me, without getting too specific yet, would
just be the trenches. You know. I'm all about doing
whatever you gotta do at the top of the draft,
especially there's a blue chip guy, I don't care what
position he plays, you bring him in. And at this
point it looks like it's going to be Abdul Carter.
But at thirty four overall, I can't tell you who's
going to be there, but I can tell you that

(03:12):
there is going to be a very good dtackle or
offensive lineman available, and I think the offensive line dries
up pretty quick in this street. And if you're going
to play the game of hey, let's draft the dtackle,
which I'm not against in theory, and hope that one
of these offensive linemen ends up being available at the

(03:34):
top of round three. I don't even think it's a
coin flip. I think the odds are you're not going
to be happy with what's there in the third round
and the offensive line demand in the league right now.
This is one of the advantages I have working for
our lads, with the amount of attention that we have
on depth charts, future contracts, what are team's going to

(03:54):
be looking for next year? Most likely that offensive line
group is going to dry up quick. And if you
wait until round three to befuck that right guard spot,
maybe even find a swing tackle, maybe even look for
a future center. If you're not a believer in John
Michael Schmidz, I think you're gonna be disappointed at the

(04:15):
top of the third round. So the ideal fit to
me specifically would be Donovan Jackson from Ohio State, and
he's a funny He was a funny guy to evaluate
because he looks massive he is. He's a very big
boy and you see a couple of snaps, you could

(04:35):
see some pop and explosion from him. He's like, Oh,
he's got to be a people mover. He's gonna displace defenders.
That's the thing I always look for in offensive line. Initially,
can they just move guys off the boy? How many
yards can they push guys? He doesn't do that at
a high level. It's good enough, But then you watch him,
you say, hey, he's a much better athlete than you think.
I mean, he's twitchy, he can react. He peels off

(04:56):
guys to the second level. He can react to stunts
and tw twists and blitzes at a very high level.
And then that's when he got moved to left tackle.
And Ohio State does not win the National Championship without
him stepping in at left tackle and playing the way
that he did. So I look at Donovan Jackson as
the week one starter at right guard, but he also

(05:19):
and I know you got to say this with caution
because of Joshua Zidou, that he can be your swing
tackle in an emergency situation if things start getting ugly.
You don't have to sign Justin Pugh or Chris Hubbard
off the street to protect your quarterback's blindside. He could
be that safety option. So that, to me is the
ideal candidate for thirty four overall.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Makes perfect sense. So excuse me, is there any other
like do you have Donovan Jackson higher than Zabel, Connorly, Booker,
some of those other guys that might be an option
there at thirty eight? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, I mean, if there's anyone in the league that
thinks like me, Jackson won't be there at thirty four
because to me, he is the top and tier offensive lineman.
I have him over Zabel and Booker and Savndia from Arizona.
If you're going to compare the grades in a vacuum
against the tackles, he's the number two or number three
offensive lineman in this class, ahead of Connorley, ahead of Ursery.

(06:23):
I even have him a notch above Calvin Banks. So
that's how highly I think of him. And and I
know it's easy for me to say, oh, this could
be ideal if he's there, but assume he's not. What's
the plan?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
B and great?

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Zabel has been getting a lot of attention from media.
I actually think he's gotten to a point where he
might actually be a little overrated. By media right now.
I like him. He's a good player. I want him
on the team, and I'll tell you why. But I
think there's a better shot Zabel is available at the
top of round two than Donovan Jackson. You know, these
guys coming from from these FCS programs, they're not ready

(06:57):
to play right away. Usually they usually need a year
to adjust to the NFL size and power. Now, he
had an outstanding Senior Bowl in drills. He did not
have an outstanding Senior Bowl in the game. And the
issues I have with him on tape showed up in
the Senior Bowl game tape. And it's just it's a
different like. You use the individual drills to assess tools, capabilities,

(07:18):
position fits, but you still got to go out and
play football in game situations. And 'sabele to me proved
to me there that he can play. He could be
a player, but I don't know if he's a twenty
twenty six player. And what I like about bringing him
in into this situation is that the position flex he
gives you, it just it most likely is going to

(07:40):
be used. He'll most likely be used at guard or
center next year. And I know there's still a lot
of supporters of John Michael Schmidt in the building and
with fans, which is fine. He's the guy in twenty
twenty six, in twenty twenty five, but if he does
not play well or he continues to get hurt, you
don't have to shop Hungary next year for a center.
You have a guy right there that could probably step
in in twenty twenty six, and hey, John Michael schmidz

(08:02):
plays well, you have your solution at right guard starting
in twenty twenty six as well. So I think one
of those two guys, or a good shot one of
them would be there. If if I had to read
the tea leaves, I think Zabel probably goes before Jackson,
but I would take Jackson before Isabel.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
If then you take Dabel before Booker.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I would Booker. Is You know I like Booker, and
whenever I talk about him, someone says, well, do you
not like this guy? Like Noah? He's the third best
interior offensive lineman in a process started with over one
hundred guys like I like him a lot. I like
his intangibles, the power. But there are things I saw

(08:42):
on tape that I hate to bring this up, guys,
but I saw some Evan Neil and him when it
comes to balance, getting caught over your skis not being
able to read directing really heavy footed, and that to me,
I come back to this thought that I was told
a few years ago that a lot of linemen that
come from Alabama come out exactly what they are in

(09:03):
the NFL. I mean, they're not going to get much
better than they currently are. They've had such elite coaching,
they've had such elite training on and off the field
that they're NFL ready, which is attractive, but you're not
going to see them get much better from where they
are right now. And that is what scares me about
Tyler Booker anywhere higher than round two.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
And where does Josh Simmons kind of fit into this
or does the injury concern there push them too far
back for you, because in theory, you could plug him
in a tackle and then kick a lumin or into
guard and then solve your right guard issue or something
along those lines. So how do you kind to factor
Simmons into the conversation.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, I mean there's a few tackles in this group
that put potentially the situation you said of putting a
luminar inside the one thing I questioned about Luminar's career
has been better outside than inside. Luminar played great last
year at right tackle when Andrew Thomas is healthy. I
hate the idea of just shifting him inside for an

(10:02):
unproven rookie, But yes, it gives you an option. So
I wouldn't draft Josh Simmons thinking, hey, we're gonna start
him this year and move a Lumina or off his
spot that you're ready excels at. But it's an option,
or it's a backup option. But you have to start
asking yourself at the top of round two, are you
looking for someone that's going to help this team in
twenty twenty five, Because if you are, you kind of

(10:22):
you're crossing off Simmons. You're crossing off Connerly unless you
unless you really value the swing tackle that much. But
if these guys stay healthy, they don't see the field.
But Simmons does have the best tackle tape of all
these guys. I think his tape, his best tape is
better than Membu and Campbell at the top for twenty
twenty four. His his But he only played a few games.

(10:44):
He didn't really face off against anyone that good. You know,
the Oregon tape is where he got hurt, so you
didn't even get to see him play against those guys.
And you know, people like to bring up Mike Green
at Marshall. I mean they matched up four times, like
they barely saw each other when they put against Marshall.
So to me, Josh Simmons is a guy that he's
a swing for the fence. I don't like the Teler

(11:05):
Tenant injury. That's that's to me, is much more serious
than the ACL. He's not a young guy. He's been
in college five years. You know, he started off at
San Diego State. We're not talking about a super talented,
super big guy. His just he just looks the part
with his bend, his footwork, his technique. But by no
means is he a shoe in to be a quality
left starting left tackle the NFL. His tape wasn't that good.

(11:28):
So to me, he Ursery, Trapello, Connery, and Toddler Booker
all ended with the same zach Garide. So these names
that you're throwing out to me are all legitimate, credible
second round picks. So now I think it comes down
to what do the Giants need from that cluster of athletes.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
All right, So then not to harp on the top
of the second round pick for the entire show. Let's
assume if you're having a year away Carter Donovan Jackson,
we go to the third round. What I mean, now,
you've solved an edge rush problem, You've solved a right

(12:09):
guard problem. What are some of your other top priorities
that you're going to try to hone in on in
the third round, And do the priorities align with the
positional values that you're seeing in that third round?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's the part of the
draft where you can get a little bit more flexible.
Like I do think the ideal NFL draft for the
New York Giants is at dual Carter. You know, a
guy that can change your defense both now and for
the long term future. You could build around them. Second round,
you're getting that offensive line help to beef that up,
and now it's like all right, it's on. You know,

(12:42):
we look at receiver, we look at running back, we
even look at tight end, but predominantly I think the
defensive tackle spot is the most likely spots you have
value because of how deep this group is, I mean,
the amount of startup grades I have along the defensive front.
I've never seen it before, and you just have to
say the law of averages, there's gonna be guys available.

(13:04):
And this is also where schematic fix schematic fits are
more likely to fall. Example, there's gonna be teams that
really like Shamar Turner from Texas A and M, you know,
really high level athlete three tech. There's gonna be other
teams for the interior of their defensive line. They won't
even look at them. Same thing with TJ. Sanders and

(13:25):
Omar Norman Lode Jamari Caldwell. So just because you have
such varying defensive schemes, you're gonna have guys falling into
your lap at the top of round three. So that
would probably be my ideal spot to grab that defensive
tackle with the first of two third round picks. But
I'm not passing on a really high level running back
talent that's there. I still personally think the wide receiver

(13:48):
is a big need on this roster. If I see
someone there that I really like, I'll go. I'll take
him in the top of the third round. And you
know a name like a tight end that I'm really
high on that I think a lot of people are
more Day two, Day three is Terrence Ferguson from Oregon.
If that guy's there at the top of the third round,
he's going to be on a very short list of
guys that I would on the that I would want

(14:09):
on this roster. But I know the organization believes in
THEO Johnson, so I just don't think that would be likely.
So to me, you're really looking at defensive tackle or
an explosive playmaker, because that's the common thing Brian Dables
always complaining about they're not explosive enough. And Jalen Milroe
can be put in that conversation as well because of
what he can add with his legs.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
So defensive tackle and running back arguably the two deepest
positions in the draft. So if you have two players
that each position that are equal grades for you, yep,
which position are you prioritizing more at the top of
the third round.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
There. It's a good question, and there is no wrong answer.
I think that's pretty clear. I just want people to
know that, Like, I don't look down on anyone that
would disagree with this, But to me, it's the defensive
tackle because it's I always circle, you know, in scouting,
team philosophy, personnel, whether you're a coach, a fan, a
scut have something you want to stand on, you know,

(15:07):
have a philosophy that you want to stand on. Have
because there's a lot of these decisions that there's two
ways to go. You're you're at this, you're at this
tea in the road. You got to go right or
you gotta go left, and you don't know which one
is the right path until you get down the road.
But at least you can say you went with your gut,
you went with what your philosophy is. And to me,
until you have a defensive line that is running seven

(15:29):
to eight deep that keep adding to it. So if
you get to a position where you're just like, hey,
we have four good defensive linemen and we're stuck between
a running back and a detached go with the tackle
like that, that to me is kind of just an
easy decision. I think that what makes this hard is
let's say you have Bucket A that's your top running backs,

(15:49):
all right, and you have Bucket B starters. I like them,
I kind of want to get them in the building.
Bucket C is developmental, right, Like, hey, maybe down the
road Let's say it dries up at defensive tawn bucket A,
but there's still one or two from bucket A available
at running back. That is where I think this is
a really difficult question to answer. Do you take a

(16:10):
second tier D tackle over a top tier running back?
Because that might happen. And as much as I want
to go philosophy of hey, I prefer trenches, I also,
more than that, prefer best player. Get the best players
on your draft board that you spend all this time
scouting and evaluating and interviewing. Get those guys in the building.

(16:31):
If there's a roster spot available, there is a roster
spot available at running back. So I think if these
you know, when I grade guys, I think that's why
I like putting them into tiers, into sections. You know, Yes,
I like guys more than others. You stack them a
little bit more. But if you're in the same tier
of overall grade and what I want to add to
my team, I will chase need at that point.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Plaine devil badvoct which everybody knows I like to do
on this show. Yeah, wouldn't a top and B bucket
defensive tackle in this year's draft b an A bucket
in any other year.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Well, so for me and I understand exactly what you're saying.
That's why I tried not to change my grading system.
When I talk about beat B bucket, a bucket that
includes every draft class. So a B bucket guy in

(17:28):
my on my grading sheet is the same tier as
the B bucket guy from next year or the year before.
So I understand what you're saying is that, Hey, here's
another way of saying that, asking that question. If you
take the fourteenth ranked defensive tackle in this draft, is
it better than taking the eighth defensive tackle and last

(17:49):
year draft? And the answers yeah, but it's still That's
why you want to have a consistent grading process and result.
I was like, hey, this is the number that my
system put out that is a B bucket, whether there's
fifteen of them or two of them. So what can
create a debate if you and I are trying to

(18:10):
make it a call between this A bucket B bucket
running back dtackle, we can ask, hey, is this are
we still going to have a B bucket guy at
ninety nine at that position? You know, if you're looking
at your running back board and you see one guy
left from that a bucket. But you see four guys
left on the de tackle a bucket, do you take
the running back just because that's it. There's probably going

(18:32):
to be no more a bucket guys when we get
back to on the clock at ninety nine. That those
are philosophy questions that need to be answered before this
process starts. Right now, if you and I are making
the decisions, like we got to make that call now,
not not draft weekend, where emotions start to take over,
what is the philosophy? And you know, you tell me, Dave,
what does the giants? What have they lost? Identity wise?

Speaker 1 (18:57):
I mean the trench is the question?

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah right, Yeah, they don't win at the point of attack.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, they just don't.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
But they also they also can't create explosives, so that
this debate doesn't really have an answer right now. So
go back to the philosophy. You know, you have your
buckets of players. If there's one person left in the
A bucket, you go take them. But if there's a
bunch of B buckets and see buckets, you go after

(19:26):
what you want your identity to be on this roster.
And to me, the giants, they're getting pushed around at
the point of attack too much, and I think that
is leading to so many carryover issues that until you're
good there, keep adding and once you feel like you
have a top, top of the line front on both
sides of the ball, then you can start knnie filtering
guys in and out of the playmaker positions.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
So let's go through some names here. Who are some
of like the fringe bottom bucket A defensive tackles, top
end bucket B defensive tack and then bottom bucket A.
Running backs.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, so we can start off at running back. You
know guys that I think, hey, I'm not sure I
see them as like a number one guy, you know,
kind of where I put Tyrone Tracy right now, which
is unfortunate, but you don't have to get that number
one guy yet. But guys that I'm really confident to
come in and make a difference and compliment Tracy kind
of well, Dylan Samson from Tennessee not the biggest, and

(20:27):
I want to see he's got to be used correctly
because he's not a pile pusher. He's not a big
physical guy. But I think Tyrone Tracy can be that,
and I think it's easier to fill that role. In
free agency, you find a veteran back that can get
some short yardage work done. But Samson is a kind
of a different level of swift footed and speed reminds me.
The way he moves reminds me of what James Cook

(20:48):
was like coming out of Georgia, and he got over booked,
he got he got over He just he's There's some
of these guys when you watch so much, take the looks.
There's guys that look like they're moving on ice skates.
That's Dylan Samson. He's got excellent hands as well. I
don't think we got to see that on the Tennessee
offense that much. Their offensive scheme is very hard to
project to the next level, as seen with Jalen Hyatt,

(21:09):
a right Hendon Hooker, a lot of these guys. There
just is not a lot of that offense that translates
the NFL. So Samson, to me, I actually think has
more ability than what we saw last year as a receiver.
So he's one of those guys. If you do want physical,
you want someone that's like, hey, I want to let
Tyrone Tracey take care of the explosives, because that is
part of the reason why they drafted him. I remember

(21:31):
Brandon Brown talking about his I think he was an
efficiency rate or rate of runs that ended up being explosive.
He had one of the highest numbers in the class
last year, and I think that's why they drafted him.
So if you want a thunder to that lightning, I
love Damien Martinez from Miami. He runs in the four
fives and he looks like that. He's not explosive, He's

(21:51):
not going to run away from lot of guys, but
he's a lot better. He's a lot more agile than
people think when it comes to moving latterly as he's
approaching ball carriers, but he needs to, he'll put that
two hundred and thirty pound frame into their chest and
he'll fall forward. And that's a guy that I think.
I've been watching him since his freshman year at Oregon State.
Kind of had an off year last year and he
goes to Miami and he didn't take the league by

(22:13):
the storm. I mean that was cam Ward's offense, but
he got the job done more often than not. And
he's massive. He's a heavy hitter. I mean he defenders.
They look different after trying to take him down, and
that's kind of what I think something that the Giants
have lacked a little bit in that backfield ever since,
honestly since Brandon Jacobs left.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
And then how about the defensive tackles.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Defensive tackle I'm a big I like trying to think
of trying to your bucket question. If they want more
pass rush. I want to give Shamar Turner a look
from Texas A and them. The problem is he's pretty
banged up. You know, he's been banged up a lot.
He's as tough as he's suffered the nails. He's got
that attitude that I want on this Giants defense. He

(22:55):
plays through pain and it actually impacted some of his
production this past year. But he's a guy that I
think can come in and shoot that gap. Let Dexter
Lawrence stay at home against the run and really impact
the passer. TJ. Sanders I get similar vibes from. I
just feel like he plays a little narrow footed, which
kind of throws him off. He doesn't have a lot

(23:15):
of gap integrity. A guy that stood out to me
at the Senior Bowl because everyone was going crazy over
Walter Nolan at the Senior Bowl. But I think I
tweeted this out there that Omar Norman lot from Tennessee.
He was more of a part time rotational player. That's
how they run defense down at Tennessee. I thought he
was just as effective as Nolan when it came to
getting off the ball, displacing blockers, and making things happen

(23:39):
behind the line of scrimmage. And that's all over his
tape too. So those are guys that I feel like
are in that bucket that might be their round three
that would be really good fits for this defense.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
So you're looking more like the three tech guys at
the time. Round three, Yeah, beat chunks like an Alfred
Collins or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, Alfred Collins. I think the league's gonna love him.
I think him and Kenneth Grant are going to go
anywhere from twenty five to forty five. I just don't
think they're going to be there in the third round.
Darius Alexander is interesting to me, a little bit of
an older prospect. He's long, he could play multiple positions,
but again, that's more of a three tech. If you
do want run defending like that is what I want
this guy's specialty to be in this kind of b bucket.

(24:19):
Maybe even a Sea block Bucket is Yah Yah Black
from Iowa. I mean, he is one of the biggest
dudes in this draft. Six five five arms. He was
great seating Bowl and he's great on tape two at
what he does. You know, he's a two gap run defender,
kind of like a young Linval Joseph in terms of
what he could do to clog the lanes, control the

(24:40):
point of attack. You're not he's not going to get
pushed back. He did try to vary it up a
little bit as some pass rush repertoire. He's just a
little slow twitched. But I'll tell you what, Dexter Lawrence
did play his best football in the Giants uniform when
he had Leonard Williams an end or Ashawn Robinson next
to him. Guys at demanded double teams. They were good

(25:01):
at two gapping. There was a lot that they could
do against the run. That's where you saw the best
version of Dexter Lawrence. So that would make sense to
me if you're going into like round four, round five. Yeah,
Yah Black?

Speaker 1 (25:13):
All right, So in the this is turning into a
mock draft simulator type conversation here. So we've got Abdul
Carter we got Donovan Jackson. You just ran through a
bunch of names at running back, Samson, Damian Martinez. You've
run through a couple of names Omar Norman, law TJ. Sanders,
Shamar Turner from Texas A and M at defensive tackle. Yep,

(25:37):
pick pick one of them. If you're the Giants GM
for the top of the third round.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Oh, man, I would probably go if I had some
you going Ail Carter Donovan Jackson. Yeah, top of the
third round. I'm probably going.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
It's one of the hardest decisions because it's like they're
both so deep. So then you know, do you prioritize
it Damien Martinez or a Dylan Samson, But you could
get a running back like more of a need.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I have an answer for your question on this because
I've been thinking about this a lot. YEP, this exact
area of the draft and as this whole b bucket
sea bucket thing that we're talking about right now, I'm
looking at this name of sea bucket d tackles, this
next tier. I mean, there's so many of them that
I would love to get that I think I would

(26:29):
probably punt on defensive tackle.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Knowing more than running back.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, more than running back, because I think the next
bucket of running backs you're taking a hit at that point.
If you're in that draft room and you're saying, hey,
we don't want to speed guy, we don't want an
undersized back at it this backfield, then I would say,
all right, you know what, screw it. If we want
more power. I think Damien Martinez is there at the

(26:54):
end of the third round, maybe even the fourth, So again,
you're gonna play that game a little bit, but I
do want that play. So it's a tough decision to make.
That's where I've been thinking about this. I'm probably gonna again,
what do you do? What's the philosophy?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I think this Giants offense needs more explosives, I really do.
And I think that Devin Singletarry's going to be out
of here next year. So add someone that's going to
add a big play threat to that offense. I like
Dylan Sampson at the top of the third round, knowing
that I'm going to get a good de tackle at
ninety nine or in the fourth round.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Is there a tight end like a Ferguson and a
Royo Mason Taylor that you would go with ahead of
Dylan Sampson there at the top of the third, I.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Would go Terrence Ferguson.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
I mean he's in my he's my second ranked tight
end in the class. He's ahead of Colson Loveland. So
if you want to put that in your in your language,
right in Dave and Scouts Honors context, would you take
Colson Lovelin at that part of the draft over Dylan's
And the answer is yes, then you could see where
I'm going at with Terrence Ferguson. I think he's that
kind of player. I like the idea. I mean, this

(27:57):
guy's yard after catch Dave was brought back territory. Uh.
He's excellent. He's an excellent route runner, not just the
movement trades, but the feel. And that's what makes Travis Kelcey,
Sam Laporte is so good. Trade McBride. They know how
to beat zone coverage. They're very quarterback friendly. I'm also
not a huge believer in THEO Johnson being an every
down guy. I think he's a weapon. I think he's

(28:18):
a part of a good offense. But I like the
idea of running out twelve personnel in certain looks, especially
with two athletes like this I mean, Terrence Ferguson is
I think he's the best athlete of every tight end
in the class. When you're looking at the objective numbers six, five, five,
two fifty, that that's a weapon that can make your

(28:38):
offense much more explosive. Absolutely, So I'm taking Ferguson over
any of those guys if they're there in the third.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Round, Okay, then I think that tight end is much
more of a need than people lead on, which is
why I want to I'm a huge Arroyo guy. Do
like Mason Taylor as well, So I'm right there with you,
and I think that top of the third round is
pretty much where you're going to have to grab one
those impact tight ends if you're going to go that
route this year, because like offensive tackle at falls off
catastrophically after that. Yeah, yep, all right, so then let's

(29:09):
stick with Ferguson. So right now, you got Carter, you
got Donovan Jackson, you got Ferguson. So then we're in
the back end of the third round, and then you
got the fourth round pick at the top of that round,
right there are we we're looking at one of those
leftover running backs. Then to make a splash on the offense.
Still yeah, or de tackle.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I think that again, that's going to be the spot
where you'll you'll add a d tackle at the end
of the third or I'm those close. Those picks are
so close to each other and the third early the
fourth that you know you get a guy like a
Riley Mills. You know you could see Jamari Caldwell so
available there that could be the area we start going
to ya Ya Black at the top of the fourth round.
So I think I would say the dream there would be, Hey,

(29:50):
Terrence Ferguson, did you say the terror Ferguson fell to
the third Yep, yep, So you took him. You got
that playmaker. I say at that point, you're probably going
Damien Martinez at the end of the third to get
that back, and then top of that fourth round, you're
probably looking at Jamari Caldwell ya Ya Black, Warren Brinson

(30:10):
from Georgia, just a big, physical guy that is run
game biased and if you want someone that has pass
rush potential, based on what we've seen at the Senior
Bowl glimpses on tape, I would probably lean Jamari Caldwell
in that in that situation, he was a really interesting guy. Well,

(30:31):
he's older. I think he's gonna be twenty four to
twenty five year old rookie, which does matter for lineman
more than skilled players because you could say, hey, their
physical development is probably pretty much over in terms of
getting much bigger, much stronger. I know guys can get
a little bigger, a little bit stronger, but that that
Jamari Caldwell is a good fit for what the Giants
don't have on the defensive line right now. Because if

(30:54):
you bring in a Ya Ya Black, a Warren Brinson,
these are guys that kind of give you another version
of what you have in Jordan Riley and DJ Davidson,
which honestly, those two guys like they're good enough at
that role. I think you kind of know what you
have in them. It's been a couple of years now,
so they're not going to ascend to it to a

(31:15):
high level. But you want to make sure that if
you're stuck between two players, try to bring someone in
that you don't have and they don't have a guy
like Caldwell. You know, three hundred and thirty pounds, but
he's quick like a cat. He makes play a sideline
and sideline and He beat guys left and right at
the Senior Bowl in one on ones because he's slippery,
he's tough for guys to get a latch onto. I
like guys that are built load to the ground like that.

(31:37):
And he's a run plug like he can definitely at
the very least give you some quality run defense. I
just think he plays faster than what the giants currently have.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
There would be a lot of like three tech guys
available at that pick too, which you were prioritizing earlier,
more than three tech guys. But now you're going with
more of the run stuffer in Caldwell. Their names you know,
JJ Pegheeze and the Josh Farmers and Broaden out of Texas,

(32:06):
and you know you bring up Riley Mills, which I
like you bringing up Riley Mills that early the injury concerned.
There is a big one. Stackhouse is a big guy
out of Georgia. If you want to talk Georgia guys
like Brinson to any of those enter into the conversation here.
Or do you have Caldwell like light years ahead of
those guys?

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Call Well, I mean Caldwell not light years, but definitely ahead.
And I think once you start going to those names.
I mean CJ. West is a guy that I think
the league is gonna like a lot ty Robinson is.
I wouldn't call him a really interior I think I
think he's Taylor made for three four D N type role.
But Jay Toa from UCLA, Elijah Simmons from Tennessee, Tim
Smith from Alabama, Cam Jackson from Florida. To me, if

(32:49):
you want to be patient those names, I just said,
they'll be there in round five, round six, at least
a couple of them. So yes, I do have Caldwell say,
definitely ahead of those guys on the board. But again,
who has the higher upside? Because once you start dipping
into day three of the draft, you are looking at
someone that you want to be an impact player. Yeah,

(33:10):
it would be ideal for it is this year, but
it's probably not going to be right. You're probably looking
at next year of the year after that. So which
one of these players has a higher upside? What are
you more confident you can develop? Is it athleticism, is
it power? Is it technique? That's where I think the
coaches have to get involved and say, hey, what do
we see in this guy's game that we can develop
over the next year. Okay, since we don't look at

(33:31):
this area of the draft as a twenty twenty five contributor,
let's go with the guy with more upside.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
All right, So threw four rounds. You've got Carter at edge,
you got Jackson at guard, you got Ferguson at tight end,
Martinez at running back, and Caldwell at defensive tackle. You
got three picks left. What are the positions that you're prioritizing.
I mean, I think cornerback, inside linebacker. We haven't grabbed

(33:59):
a quarterback. I don't know if we're punting on that.
I'm fine punting on that. But what are some of
the other you could double dip again at defensive tackle
because there's quality there. What are the positions that you're
considering with the remaining picks on Day three?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
I mean, at this point, I think it gets easier
to mate because now you just just follow your board,
unless you were saying, hey, we have to get a position.
That's where this front office has done a pretty good
job that the roster is pretty much set to go
play a game tomorrow, and it can really turn into hey,
let's just go take the best players available. And I
think at this part of the draft, you're gonna start

(34:37):
seeing some wide receivers available that have your attention. And
I think the Giants wide receiver room is weaker than
what people are giving off right now. And I know
they resigned Slayton. I know Neighbors is the long term
solution as the number one guy. So you could say,
all right there, one twos aren't bad. I think Slaton
is best as your number three target. I think that's
where his sweet spot is. I never want him to

(34:58):
be my number two. As of right now, he number two.
Are you going to find a number two at this
point in the draft? Probably not, But the Rams didn't
think they're getting a number two, and they draft to
Pooka Nakula in the fifth Rolde either. So I wouldn't
pass on a receiver simply because I don't see hims
number two. Another reason you can look into wide receiver
here is the slot. I mean, are you really are you?

(35:18):
Have you been infatuated by Wandel Robinson to the point
where you want to sign to a long term deal.
It's not necessarily I like him. I don't like him.
It's is he worth a veteran multi year deal? Because
that is what he will get on the market. That's
what it will take to keep him around. So I
look at this wide receiver room and it's vulnerable. And
this is usually the part of the draft where you're saying,

(35:40):
all right, hey, guys, these guys are falling. And you know,
these guys have size, they have speed, they can separate,
they have as some return game capabilities. I mean, a
name like KeAndre Lambert Smith from Auburn is a guy
that I just I loved watching on tape average twenty
yards a catch. Started off at Penn State, went to Auburn,
played through some really bad quarterback play. But he's a
guy that I view as a Day three target. That is,

(36:03):
he's refined, like he can separate, he can move, he
catches the ball, he can make things happen after the catch.
He's flying a little under the radar. Another name in
the Samilar very similar build and style of play is
Tamir DK from Florida. If you want a project that
is loaded with tools, kind of like what Chris Conley
was coming out of Georgia, it's Isaiah and Nayer from Nebraska.

(36:25):
Those are guys that I see at this part of
the draft that are saying, Hey, they're probably going to
be there and the Giants are not going to have
to rush him into action right now. And it's the
same thing as the discussion is what we talked about earlier.
You can develop him for a year. So which guy
are you most excited to develop?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
A and B?

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Where do you forecast there being a whole I think
the Giants room knows right now if they're going to
bring back Robinson. So if you know that he's not
going to come back, you chase after the slot, and
I think that's what tamiir DK does his best work.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
So DK and Lambert Smith are more like that six
to one you know, Buck ninety call it frame. And
then the other guy you mentioned that in Nebraska and
there is six'. Four so it seems like based off
of the wide receivers that they've gone, after they're more

(37:17):
inclined to take somebody like A Lambert smith that's sort
of that six to one mold of not too, big
not too, small can kind of do a little bit of.
Everything do you think that that's a sweet, spot BECAUSE i,
Mean i've had a lot of people on here who
want more of a big body possession jump ball specialist by.

(37:38):
Comparison but the way they've drafted The hyatts and The
robinson's and The, neighbors the speed prioritization with this front
office seems to trump everything. Else so how do you
kind of think through that when there's a lot of
optionality at that position at this point in the.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
DRAFT i, mean that's where these two titands come to.
Play if you want these size, guys and that's another
feather in the cap for A Terrence, ferguson because now
you have two six foot five tight ends that can
go up and get the. Ball and you, KNOW i
do follow That Daniel jeremiah train of thought and that
you want your wide receiver room to look like a basketball.

(38:14):
Team you want your, small shifty, slots you want your
big possession of, receivers you want your shooting. GUARDS i
can kind of do a little bit of. Everything and you,
know The, giants if they go out and get an
athletic tight end that compare With, johnson and you, know
this takes a little bit more creativity in terms of
how to get these guys looks and how to get
these guys on the. Field and you can't get all
of them on the field at one. Time BUT i
also don't want to be. Predictable AND i think if

(38:36):
The giants have two athletic playmakers at tight end that
they're high, on you, know it gives them a death
which is, obvious but it makes them hard to. Predict
if you go out and just get a wide receiver with,
size you kind of know what you're trying to do with,
him where at tight, end you don't know what you're
doing with these guys on the field because it's a
lot easier to run the ball in twelve personnel than

(38:57):
there's eleven. Personnel right and you get both those guys
in the, field you're a little bit, easier harder to.
Predict and you, know if you're just gonna chase the
stereotypical wide, receiver room of, hey we have to get
a guy with size right, now we have to get
that jump ball. Guy it's just to me a little
easier to. Predict so IF i actually had to, say
what WOULD i rather The giants pursue in the draft

(39:18):
at wide receiver at this point with these, NAMES i would,
say your guy that can probably play the. SLOT i
don't care about the size that. MUCH i care about
their ability to separate and make things happen after the.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
CATCH i know you're a Big Isaac tesla.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Guy, yeah, huge, yep. HUGE i Mean i'm assuming he
won't even be, there but, DUDE i think He's uh,
look he's my twelve rank. RECEIVER i mean he could be.
There he could definitely be there because his production was not.
HIGH i mean he barely got thrown the ball At,
arkansas AND i mean his testing was through the. Roof
he doesn't drop the. Ball he was impressive at The Senior.
BOWL i think the league is starting to trend towards

(39:54):
these big, slots these guys that are six two, six
three six. Four you put them in the, slot kind
of a mesh of a tight end and slot traditional slot.
Receiver but If tesla's, there that's an easy call for.
ME i, mean he's the fifth round. Pick if he's, there.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Who would be like another wide receiver that you don't
think might get, there but could get, there that would
be higher on your board Than Lambert smith because it
sounded like he was sort of the top. Guy.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, yeah trying to play that game of WHO i
think might be, there who might? Not Arian smith From
georgia he's he's Another Jalen. Hyatt you don't really know
what you're getting from just getting a speed guy with downfield,
threat and they have not responded well in this. OFFENSE
Hm Caden prather And Ty, felton both From. MARYLAND i

(40:40):
like both those guys for different. REASONS I felton is
like your fast, forward, fidgety, twitchy explosive catch. IT i
mean they forced so much action his way this past.
YEAR i think he had like sixty more targets Then pray,
There pray there is like An monti tumor possession receiver
got behind a lot of guys down the field in

(41:01):
At maryland this year that just did not get the
targets that he's. Deserved but he knows how to get
open AND i think that's a huge trait What Brian
dable looks for in this. Offense so those are two
other names that if they're, there they're going to be
in that discussion Above Lambert.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Smith, Yeah pray they're a transfer From West, virginia another
big body guy six four by comparison To Ty, felton
who's more of that mold a six to. One So
Tesla felton wish would you rather have if they're both,
there since it sounds like you have them stacked higher

(41:35):
Than Lambert.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Smith, YEAH i mean those two guys are really different.
PLAYERS i Mean tesla's got more, size BUT i also
Think felton plays a lot faster and that's just an
easier projection to THE. Nfl but you, know, Philosophy what
AM i trying to? Pursue? Here AM i? Trying AM
i trying to? Pursue just yards after catch my? Pursuit

(41:57):
what DO i have on the? Roster what AM i
going to have next? Year because that's what you're looking.
About in that, Situation i'm Going tesla Over. FELTON i
THINK i think he gives you another really reliable. Weapon you,
know you took your shot in the dark at with
With Jalen. HYATT i don't think it's over by the
way for. HIM i still want to give him this.

(42:17):
Year you have your your big, plays speed threats in
the leak neighbors And Darius. Slayton if there's one THING
i don't love About slayton's, game it's getting open underneath
catching the ball in contested. Situations that's Where tesla. Specializes so,
AGAIN i think he bounces out the roster a little bit.
Better you, Know felton does make a better play For,
hey he might be the future slot over Wan Dale.

(42:39):
Robinson BUT i also feel very strongly that you can
find those guys every. YEAR i, mean they're like running.
Backs some you can find the shifty slot if you
need one in any.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Draft, YEP i. AGREE i would definitely Go tesla Over
felton at that point as. Well All, right, WELL i
know we're coming up on. Time. Here we got two
seventh round. Picks you could double dip in the trenches
at defensive tackle or offensive. Line you could grab an inside.
Linebacker you could grab a long shot developmental. Quarterback you

(43:07):
could add some depth at corner Which Joe shane said
in the press conference that he likes the depth at
cornerback this. Year assuming that here player buckets and stacks
are all, equal what is the position focus for you
with those last couple of.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Picks, Honestly i'm looking at special. Teams that's Something i'm
not necessarily looking at a kicker or, punter But i'm
looking at someone that can help on special. Teams at
this point of the, draft you're looking for, Depth you're
looking for some traits that you want to develop for
a year or. Two but, hey IF i can get
these guys on the field and help out our coverage,
units our return, Game that's Where i'm. Looking but at
this point in this, draft The giants have had a tight,

(43:44):
end a running, back. RECEIVER i think you have to
cross off the skill. POSITIONS i think The giants secondary
is so young right, now especially even with the signings
Of holland And. Adebo i'm not sold that they have
to add a corner or safety in this. Draft they're
already young. Enough they have enough talent that is interesting
enough that this regime has already been working. With so
at this point of the, draft LIKE i, Honestly i'd

(44:05):
look at a linebacker AND i would see IF i
can find a linebacker in this group That i'm really
confident can help out on coverage units and give me
and maybe even give some competition to A mike and
mcfad and, type maybe even hedge against Okareki oki potentially
leaving next. YEAR i, mean these are guys and this
is the this linebacker. GROUP i just got done with.

(44:28):
Them actually last. Week it was the last group THAT
i did and it's a lot deeper THAN i thought
it was gonna. Be there are a lot of guys
THAT i am very comfortable putting on my depth, chart
and the giants are a little thin behind those. Two
it's a it's such a violent. Position it's almost like
you have to assume these guys are going to get
hurt at some, point. Right SO i think this is

(44:48):
a part of the draft WHERE i look at someone
Like Ki Kane madrano FROM, ucla really explosive high level track.
Athlete basically sat for a few years AT ucla AND
i remember WATCHING ucla last year With latsu's, tape and
this kid was making. Plays he was all over the,
place really heavy, contact, fast doesn't really know what he's.

(45:10):
Doing but, again you're in the seventh round here at
the very, least this guy's going to be a menace
on kick Cover. Junior so that that's WHERE i would
probably go with this pick came And. Drano there's a
couple other guys THAT i like. Him Jamal Dumas johnson From.
Kentucky he's got some character, issues but he was At
georgia for a while and he was the GUY i
remember very. Clearly we got to talk To georgia coaches

(45:30):
and they said he was going to be better than
Na Kobe. Dean that's who he was back when N
Kobe dean was. There he, was but there were just
some work ethic issues with him and he ended up
transferred To. Kentucky but still test it out really well
athletically At. Kentucky Kentucky Pro day has some flashes on.
Tape So i'd say came And drano Or Jaman Dumas
johnson would be really smart picks at this point of the.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Draft sounds Like madrano the safer bet in your.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Eyes, YEAH i. Do he's a little, older but, AGAIN
i just think he's a late. BLOOMER i. DON'T i
don't think he's an old guy that can't. MOVE i,
mean and he's he's probably one of the top five
athletes at the POSITION i.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Love and then pairing him back With mussau certainly doesn't
hurt the continuity saying that's a good.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Point that's a good, point all.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Right so then the last pick here in our mock
draft that we've somehow dabbled. IN i didn't THINK i
was gonna go this. Way, yeah, yeah, no it might
as well obviously shot in the. Dark we've addressed edge,
guard tight, end running, back defensive, tackle wide, receiver and. Linebacker,

(46:39):
uh so far do you feel inclined TO i, MEAN
i know you said you want to address special teams
and get some versatility out of the seventh round picks,
there but there's probably some good depth in the trenches
if you wanted a double dip at one of those,
positions or look at a at a corner back or
something like. That what do you kind of think you'd

(47:00):
prioritize at this.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Point it's someone THAT i think The giants would thrive
on looking at the practice squad and, saying, hey what
player do we think we could stash on a practice
squad BECAUSE i actually think this is the thing in
THE nfl where you, start especially towards the end of
the seventh, round you don't want to pick someone that
you know it doesn't have a spot on your, roster

(47:22):
like you just can't fit, them like mathematically it wouldn't.
Work so if you pick a guy that teams won't
take off your practice squad because you have to put
them on your active roster or your fifty three man,
roster you know you just it screams, project And i've
always felt like that was a really smart way to
approach the seventh round unless you still have a hole
in this, roster and in this, situation you. Don't so

(47:45):
what player has tools that THE nfl probably will not
want to add onto their fifty three man. Roster and
there's a tackle that just started playing football a few
years ago and his. TAPE i sent it to the
offensive line specialists for our, lads AND i, said we
got to get this guy in the. Guide we have

(48:05):
to get this guy to The Senior. Bowl we, tried
it didn't. Work esa From Washington, state thirty four inch
arms six to, five Has Josh simmons. Tape there's some
tape where that he's got that, bend he's got the,
bounce he's got the hand. Positioning but you can tell
he just started playing the. Game and that is project to.
ME i, mean he's so early on the. Curve and

(48:25):
the improvements THAT i saw from last year to this
year means something to me because last year's tape Against
Layatu latu was one of the Worst i've ever. Seen
actually felt bad That watu torched him just over and
over and you could just tell in that, moment like
the guy's just not ready to play AGAINST nfl caliber.
Lineman this year he looked like a different. Dude and
if he continues on that kind of, ASCENT i think

(48:47):
by this time next, year you're looking At, hey that
could be your swing. Tackle and imagine that a seventh
round pick that turns into that hard to find swing
tackle that every team is looking, for it seems, like
and it. Ruins it ruins seasons when you don't have
a tackle, sometimes you, KNOW i, MEAN i wish The
giants had one last year When thomas went down instead
of moving a luminar there who played, okay but now

(49:09):
you have a whole lot right tackle and now you
have a lessonstellar left. Tackle Like i'm a big believer
is don't move guys around the offensive, line don't take
them out of where they excel unless you absolutely have.
To they absolutely had to because they don't have a swing,
tackle and that's been one of the shortcomings of this
front office in. Regime they've been relying on guards and
guys signing off the. Couch AND i THINK i think

(49:31):
that's a nice shot as a polite From Washington state
to develop for a year on the practice. Squad nobody's
gonna touch. Him and then maybe you had that guy
on your roster ready to go next.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Year and this week didn't come out that they did
a visit with him or, YEP.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I saw that y twenty. Eight, yeah, Yank, yeah that
WAS i love to see. THAT i know he's not a,
secret you, KNOW i know there artipical that like people
that like. Him his tape is easy to. WATCH i
mean it's just, smooth it's, easy it's, balanced and you,
know it's a position that's hard to find. Talent it's
hard to develop these, guys and it's an encouraging sign
when you know they have not played a lot of,

(50:06):
football because you know there's a lot they still have to. Learn.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
YEAH i was talking With Rick Sarah tello the other
day About essa as, somebody but, yeah, NO i, think, look,
man all things, CONSIDERED i would sign up for this
draft in a. Heartbeat, Abdul you're not gonna kill me
for not taking a, quarterback, no, DUDE i mean you know.
ME i don't give a shit about the quarterbacks this.
YEAR i will punt all day on quarterback AND i, think, look,

(50:32):
man like this sets us up for bringing in a
quarterback into a real organization with real depth next. Year
if that's the route we end up, going you know
WHAT i, Mean and that's HOW i want to approach.
It bringing in a rookie quarterback to be a developmental
backup or ride your bench for half the season or

(50:53):
like it's JUST i don't understand the logic by comparison
to what we did. Here where you, got you, know
an edge of the defensive tackle to beef up the
trenches on, Defense you've got guard and tackle prospect to
beef up the. Trenches on, offense you've got skilled players And,
Ferguson martinez And, tesla WHICH i mean any quarterback would

(51:16):
love to see those individuals playing for. Them and then
you got a solid linebacker to head the bet in
that room since you got a couple contracts coming, Up Inky.
Madrano SO i think that this is a perfect outcome
in my. EYES i would love for The giants drive
to play out like. This hopefully it's at least somewhat.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Similar, yeah it's quarterback is on the, table but it
just has to be at the right. Spot and my
QUESTION i always ask people is if you're going to
draft someone first, round second, round just be cognizant of
what you're potentially giving, up and you have to fully.
Believe i've seen some people, say, hey you know, what

(51:55):
screw it if you don't like, them just take a
swing out there and just give a. Shot And i'm
not a believer of that. Philosophy that sounds like impatient
fandom to me in, that like you're just sick of this,
situation AND i am. Too the giants are. THERE i
write the game reviews FOR. Bbi they're tough to, watch trust,
me they're tougher to. Watch TWICE i got to rewatch those.

(52:18):
Tapes it's tough to. Watch BUT i think you dig
yourself deeper in a deeper hole if you don't believe
in the quarterback value at the. Spot and Cam ward
is the only QUARTERBACK i would take in the first.
Round he's not going to be, There so to, me
it's not even a thought of taking a quarterback at three,
overall AND i don't think it should. Be to, me
it's debate in the second, Round like let's Say Shader

(52:39):
sanders falls And Jackson, Dark i'm still debating IF i
would want to take one of those guys at that
spot Because i'm giving up on someone really good in
the trenches IF i do, That and it would be
a shame to see this offensive line struggle in a
year or two and the quarterback is not worth. It
now you just now you have multiple. Holes you're just
kind of going this hamster.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Wheel.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
YEAH i am a believer that you can look into
next year's quarterback class and say, like, hey you, KNOW
i think it's going to be. Stronger it's a. Guest
they're all. Guesses so how is that different than guessing
on a quarterback this. YEAR i do do advanced, scouting
AND i do think the class of Jew, Alar Garrett,
nussmeyer the kid from that just transferred From tennessee TO.

(53:22):
Ucla those, guys and you, know there's going to be
someone that rises to the, occasion just like there are every.
Year and some will, Say, dave you can't make that
prediction yet next, Year, well you know, what we made
it two years ago with The Drake, May Jaden, Daniels Caleb,
WILLIAMS jj, McCarthy Bo, Nick's Michael pennock's. Class we knew
that quarterback class was going to be really strong and

(53:45):
it ended up being. Right SO i think next year's
quarterback class will be, strong but you don't, know especially
with this. Roster you don't know where the johntstick be,
drafting AND i. DO i would listen to calls about
being getting a trade down situation if it got me
a future, ONE i would. Listen i'm not gonna SAY
i would do, it BUT i would listen to those

(54:05):
calls because If i'm getting A Carolina panthers To Chicago
bears type deal worked out for, them didn't, it you?
KNOW i, mean there's a lot of situations where that
trade down opportunity and The giants are scarred because it
didn't work a few years ago when The bears traded
For Justin. Fields but you have different management back, then
and just because it doesn't work once does not mean
you don't try it.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
AGAIN i would if you're offering me one next year
and anything, Else i'm taking that every single day of the.
Week it's not even a question in my, mind BECAUSE i
want to put myself in the position to have optionality
going forward AND i want to build the depth of my.
TEAM i look at it like you've got to build a.
Franchise it's not a matter of the product on the

(54:48):
field has been to dog shit in recent memory that
we just need a quarterback that's gonna be flashy and
give us hope for the. Future you, Know like that's
just that's not sustainable to, me, Right So i'm right
there with, you and, yeah if we do go, QUARTERBACK
i THINK i would much rather if you're, gonna like
gun to my head force me to take a, Quarterback
i'd rather wait until third fourth round with one of

(55:10):
those picks and get the McCord, Yours howard yep flavor
and then see IF i can maybe get.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Lucky you, KNOW i hate to say. THAT i hate
to say, that but it is a thing like The
niners did not think they were getting brock pretty when
they drafted them like They're so if someone, said, Hey,
dave you guys can't do this. Draft you didn't add
a quarterback at, All And i'll get behind you and,
say you know, what we. Didn't we made that. Decision
if you want to take A day three swing on
a quarterback instead of one of the guys that we.
Drafted there All ford wouldn't criticize it at, all because

(55:42):
you never, know if you get them in the, building
something big. Happens hey your. SET i mean you pay
a rookie, contract a day three rookie contract for four.
Years you can go buy whatever you want in freetity
for two three years in a. Row but you know.
That to, me that's kind of like the only quarterback
approach of this draft, is, hey should we take someone day?

(56:03):
Three and The Jaylen molroe conversation is the interesting one
because you can do things with him if you don't
believe him in that Quarterback AND i put a tweet
out there yesterday, saying, hey if you had to bet
your mortgage On Jalen moroe being turning into a runner
like a running Back Taysom hill type asset for an

(56:24):
offense or? Quarterback which one do you think you have
to pick? One which and you had to put all
the money you had on one of? Those which? One
are you more confident he's going to end up as
in THE? Nfl to, me the answer, IS i think
he'll be more of a wildcat quarterback because the dude
is an elite. ATHLETE i mean we're not talking, good
we're talking and he's got great, vision he can break.

(56:45):
Tackles he's two hundred and twenty. POUNDS i, mean there's
a lot to him that makes sense from a playmaking,
perspective BUT i even.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Think there are just too many. Ifs, yes, Yeah and
that's my, problem. Man and it's LIKE i conviction with
taking somebody that high at that, position And i'd rather
kick the can down the road to next year and
then see what. Unfolds AND i, agree whether whoever comes
out doesn't come, out WHATEVER i could trade back again next,
Year i'll deal with next year WHEN i get to next,

(57:15):
year you know WHAT i. Mean but it's about building the.
Depth and, YEAH i just don't see the value in
quarterback this year by any stretch of the. Imagination but
SO i really appreciate. It. Man know we're at the
top of the hour here and you got two more
shows you gotta do. Today, yeah, right, Exactly BUT i,

(57:37):
mean busiest time of year for. You we appreciate you
making the. Time you. Know maybe we'll bring it back
after we got a bunch of people that we're probably
gonna do some sort of a recap with after the
fact THAT i know you free up a little bit
more after the, Facts so maybe we'll cross that. Bridge
we'll be, chatting but hanging there, Man, no it's exhausting for.

(57:59):
You this next next, week we're almost. There light at
the end of the, tunnels probably let us down like
they do most, years but it doesn't negate the fact
that we certainly enjoy talking about. It so it's all
our listeners out. There appreciate you all tuning. In we'll
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