Dave Del Col looking at what NY Giants may do in upcoming draft

Dave Del Col returns to discuss what he thinks the Giants should do in the 2024 Draft. He dives into position needs and prospects he covets.
If you’re interested in hearing takes that go against the grain of the traditional media puppets check out this show.

Episode Transcript

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Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back toanother edition of the Scouts on Or podcast.
I'm Dave del Cole, and we'vegot quite a lineup for our listeners
these next couple of weeks ahead ofthe Draft. I know we haven't been
here throughout the whole process like wenormally would have been this year, but
had a lot going on in mypersonal life. So we're giving you an

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abridged gauntlet of shows this year leadingup to Draft Night next Thursday. We're
going to have a couple of newguests on the show this week. We're
gonna start off with a fan favoriteof the Giants, license Plate guy Joe's
going to be joining us to kickthings off this week, giving us a

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very unique perspective on everything that hesees on the sidelines. Following that up,
we're going to be joined by EricKennedy, the founder and head of
Big Blue Interactive the Corner Forum,which is one of the big reasons that
I got into Scouting. It's actuallywhere I met Dave t originally was bantering

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back and forth on his threads throughBBI. Eric does this fantastic job of
coming through every single detail of theGiants organization and process through every phase of
every year. He's been doing itas long as I can remember in my
lifetime, so we're very excited tohave his unique perspective coming up on the

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show here as well. And thenwe're going to have some of our familiar
faces and names on the show.Jim Naggy, executive director of the Senior
Ball, is going to be joiningus again to chat through that week and
some of the prospects that we reallylike coming. Adam Obile Matt Hamilton,
NFL producer and on air talent forThe Up and Adam Show with Kay Adams

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will be joining us once again togive us some unique insights from his seat.
And then everyone's favorite Dave Sivertson fromour Lads Scouting Service will be joining
us to round out our guest listthis year. So again not the full
fledged scope of what we were hopingto do this year, but I definitely

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wanted to bring the listeners together forsome in depth draft critiques if you will.
Ahead of you know what seems tobe a very exciting weekend up in
Detroit here at the end of themonth. So without further ado diving into

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this episode, there's gonna be asolo show where I'm just going to be
breaking down what I think the Giantsshould do, my own original thoughts.
I do keep tabs on all themajor media stuff. I've been on you
know, Twitter x the last yearor so. I was never on it
prior to that, but I've beenkeeping up with the draft community this year

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and last draft on Twitter x machineand it's definitely been interesting to see.
You know, all the major signsare pointing to either quarterback or wide receiver
for the Giants at number six.You know, I don't necessarily think that
is exactly where we should go,but to start things off as dave T,

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who I owe everything to dave T, just to kick off this season
and remember it to him, becausethis is the whole reason that I do
this show is to honor him andhis legacy. He taught me everything that
I know about scouting, as I'vesaid on here several times, and I
definitely miss him this time of year. I mean, we would have been
back and forth in so many dialoguesby now I would have lost track,

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but his insights were invaluable. I'llnever be able to live up to what
he was able to provide our listeners, but just trying to bring a different
mindset, a different in a thoughtthat you're not going to hear through your
traditional media sources or what everybody isgenerally talking about, like a bunch of

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parrots, the same old, sameold. I think dave T was always
kind of against the grain, whichis one thing that I really respected about
him, and as he would alwayssay, which is a mantra of mine,
has been for years, and Iwish the Giants would pay more attention
to it. To be successful,you need to build in the trenches,

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and I think this is a draftwhere again we need to be primarily focused
on building in the trenches. We'veadded some nice pieces through free agency this
year, which is all well andgood. I love the John Runyan signing,
that's great. I think he's definitelya starting caliber guard, Jermaine Iluminor.
I think he should be sort ofa swing offensive lineman. Can fill

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a variety of needs, but Idon't necessarily see him as somebody who I'm
gassed up about as starter. Ilove his enthusiasm and the fact that he
is a diehard Giants fan. That'sgreat, excited to see what he can
do, and I hope he provesme wrong. But as far as what
I think an offensive line should looklike, he's sort of my sixth man

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in an ideal world which we havea lot of questions than on how we're
going to fill a void. Soin light of dave T's mantra, now
my mantra of building in the trenches, let's just jump right into it with
what everybody's been talking about, youknow, quarterback, wide receiver, the

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two hot button topics for the Giantsat six overall this year. I don't
love either one of them. Idefinitely don't love quarterback. If they do
go quarterback, I pray to godthey don't trade up and relinquish a ton
of draft capital in order to doso. I get that. Shown stay

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ball on the hot seat, gotto turn things around, got to prove
themselves, you know, create thewinning culture that they were able to develop
initially, be it a fluke ornot. We need to get back to
winning, and that starts with thequarterback. I get it. I'm not
enamored with any of these quarterbacks.If there was one that I would be

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more comfortable rolling with, if weare going to pick one at six,
and again I emphasize pick at sixand not move up. I would go
JJ McCarthy. I really like JJMcCarthy the intangibles. I think he can
handle the stage and the pressure.He's a proven commodity. Yeah, he
didn't throw a ton because he hada great backfield, really solid offensive line.

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You know, did that help him? Will it be different in the
NFL? Sure it will be forall these guys, But you know,
Caleb Williams I think is going tobe one of the biggest bus we've seen
in recent years. I don't buythe hype on Caleb Williams at all.
I think, you know, RyanPouls might lose his job for drafting Caleb

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Williams. But I seem to beone of the only ones that thinks that
everybody's enamored with Caleb Williams. Greathave Adam not my kind of guy at
all for a variety of reasons.But I'm not going to bash Caleb.
No sense in doing that. DrakeMay I think he's a glorified backup,
plain and simple. You know,a lot of people love him, think

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he's QB two. A lot ofGiants fans want Drake May. I don't
see with Drake May he had somesolid production. I think tes Walker,
who will get to in a bitwhen we start talking about wide receivers,
bailed him out on a lot ofspectacular catches, and if he doesn't have
that security blanket at the next level, I question what he's going to be

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able to do. And particularly goingfrom UNC to a large market like New
York City, the fan base ofNew Jersey and New York, that is
a real tough pill to swallow.Saw a first hand with Daniel Jones.
Coming from Duke at North Carolina,smaller school, it's a lot to take
on. I wish Drake nothing butthe best, but I hope the Giants

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Stone end up taking him. AndJayden Daniels has a lot of upside.
I'll grant him that he runs waytoo much. I think a lot of
his game is predicated on being ableto run the ball. A lot of
folks say, you know, hedoes his first teo reads and then he
looks to run. He's way toothin to run as much as he does
at the next level. And mybiggest concern with Jaden Daniels is the fact

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that I think he's going to getinjured, and I don't think that he's
going to be able to sustain asuccessful career in the NFL. Could he
develop into a starter, and he'sgot a cannon for an arm all those
sorts of things. Sure, yeah, great, But if you're looking to
take a quarterback to really turn thingsaround with a franchise like the Giants are,

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I don't think Jade and Daniels wouldbe the guy to do that if
you were available. Now, intheory, those three guys were already gone
by the time pick six comes around, and then JJ McCarthy is the one
who's available for us. Or PeterScheger dropped the mock draft earlier this morning
or last night, whatever it was, where the Giants traded up with the
Cardinals at four to select JJ McCarthy. Again, I am not an advocate

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of trading up for a quarterback.I'm not in love with any of these
quarterbacks enough to warrant giving up thatsort of draft capital. And I really
don't think that we're a quarterback awayfrom making a Super Bowl. I mean,
call me nuts, but if wegot Caleb Williams, if we got
any of these top four quarterbacks,if you will, do we really think

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that all of a sudden, theGiants are going to be able to compete
with the Bills, the Chiefs,the Ravens, the forty nine Ers,
the Eagles, the Cowboys. Imean, I don't see it, certainly
not in the first couple of years. And that's where they really need to
turn things around. So, youknow, the contract with Daniel Jones,

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be that what it was. Ithink you shut yourselves on the foot there
and you got to accept that andmove on. So I appreciate that we
need to replace him a quarterback,and it's probably a next year thing.
Bring in a quarterback to develop andultimately take the reins at some point this
year makes sense. It's gonna bea sexy pick. It'll get the fans
hyped. The grass is always greeneron the other side, as they say.

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But I just don't think that takinga quarterback is going to lead us
to the promised land that we're allyearning for. It's just going to continue
this same cycle of bone head draftpicks that we sell ourselves on in the

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moment, But then we don't continueto build a team team that can actually
win playoff games, make a SuperBowl run. I've set it on here
before last time that we were inthe Super Bowls and everything like that.
We're really successful on both sides ofthe trenches, offensive and defensive line.
We've definitely made some more investments onthe offensive side as of late, and

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the defensive side. Brian Burnstrade,great caveon Thibodeaux. Great resigning Dexter Lawrence
one of my favorite signings that we'vemade in the last decade. So I'm
all for the fact that we've beentrending in the right direction there, But
to think that we've eclipsed the barrierto entry of hitting the playoffs and being

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able to run and stride with thetop teams in the league is just asinine
to me. We're not a quarterbackaway, We're not a wide receiver away.
So taking you know, one ofthose top quarterbacks or wide receivers,
I just don't see it. Youtake a wide receiver. I'm a big
Roma Dunesa guy. I mean,if Marvin Harrison falls us, fantastic,

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would love to have him. Neighbors. I'm not a huge Neighbors guy.
But at the same time, basedoff of the type of wide receiver this
front office has been selecting the lastfew years, I think Neighbors is more
the speed of what they're looking forin this offense, And a lot of
drafting players comes down scheme fit.So if Neighbors is a guy that they

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feel is going to fit better intheir system, so on and so forth,
great. I'm a huge advocate ofa Doonsay. I think he's the
safe pick at six, But again, is that going to catapult us into
playoff contention? No? I mean, what are we going to do with

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Daniel throwing the ball? Like wecan't get the ball to Jalen Hyatt,
Jandel Robinson, Darren Waller, Whichhe's a totally different subject, but it's
not like he saw a ton ofballs get thrown his way last year for
the position versatility that everybody expected himto be able to offer. And that's

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not necessarily on the quarterbacks. Alot of that balls on him as well.
We digress anyhow, Drafting a widereceiver, be it Harrison Neighbors,
a Doonsa at six, again,where is that putting us nowhere fast?
As far as I'm concerned, Becausethe offense still hasn't been able to prove

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that it's an oiled machine. Westill don't have a full offensive line.
It's going to be able to giveour quarterback the time he needs to be
able to go through his progressions,feel comfortable in the pocket, not start
seeing ghosts because every year he takessacks. I mean, if I'm a
defensive coordinator looking at the offensive linewe have now, assuming that Runyon is

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starting on the left side with AndrewThomas, and then you got Schmid's in
the middle, which I know alot of people are kind of up and
down on Schmid's. I'm a hugeschmidch guy, was last year thrilled that
we got him. I think ifGod forbid, he gets some help around
him, his game is going todrastically improve. I mean, starting as
a rookie center is no small task. So that leaves the right side Ivan

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Neil. You know a lot ofup and down on him. The fact
that there is as much you know, down on him as there has been,
is he going to make it asa tackle? A lot of noise
there. If there wasn't any causefor concern, that stuff wouldn't be as
hyped as it is. The factthat there is cause for concern. I
mean, look, I hope thathe works out as a right tackle.

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Given the draft capital we allocated totake him, but is that going to
work out? It's an unknown.So having him as sort of a weak
link on that right side and thenat right guard, you know, you
assume you're going to take somebody.But if we don't do that early,
then what in the second third round? Maybe you hope one of these folks

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can come in and be a starter. That's still an easy assignment if I'm
a defensive coordinator, just blow upthe right side of the line, get
to Daniel, shake him up FraslemAnd that's a recipe for success for any
opponent going against the Giants. Soagain, to be successful, you need

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to build in the trenches and withas strong of an offensive line grouping as
this is in the first round.I mean, London's are saying up to
ten offensive linemen going in the firstround, basically a third of the picks
in the first round the offensive line. Why wouldn't we take an offensive lineman?

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First off? Joe All? Iget that Joe All is a left
tackle. We have Andrew Thomas.How does that make any sort of sense?
A lot of Giants fans are alwaysscreaming from the roof tops BP A
BP a b PA. Well,if the quarterbacks are gone, the receivers
are gone, outside of like oneguy that you might be okay with,

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but if he's not the one thatyou wanted, Joe Walt's got to be
BPA or Brock Bowers. But BrockI worry about his injury history. We'll
get sight in a minute. JoeWalt bloodlines, proven ability. I mean,
if we didn't have Neil and Thomas, it would be a no brainer

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to take all at six. Imean, to have the optionality of all
even being there at six, assumingHarball doesn't stick with his guns and go
offensive linemen right out of the gate, is a very opportunistic selection for us
that I would be thrilled with.I have zero qualms if we take Joe
Walt and you'd say, well,where the hell are you gonna play him?

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We've got two tackles already. We'llfigure it out. You put a
five best offensive linemen on the field, and if that means that Alt beats
out Neil and you kick him intoguard, great. You know, if
Andrew Thomas gets hurt and then we'vegot to shift all to left tackle,

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at least we have that flexibility andWe're not starting somebody like Tyree Phillips at
left tackle in the middle of theyear and our season has gone to shit
again. It's just not something thatI think people are considering enough, given
how talented Alt is. And itmight not be the perfect fit. And

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I get that you might think I'mnuts for saying it, but I would
love Alt at six. I wouldhave zero qualms with it whatsoever. That
being said, I assume that hemight go at five. I'd really love
a trade down here in the firstI think that getting more draft capital,
getting more bodies into the mix iswhere I'm at because we still have so

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many holes to fill. We havesuch a long way to go to actually
be able to compete in the NFCEast, in the NFC in general,
let alone in the playoffs. SoI would personally love the trade back and
take an offensive lineman. That beingthe case, you know, Fuaga is

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sort of my top guy. Ifwe're not going to take all, we're
going to trade back a few picks. Faga makes so much sense to me.
Love his tenacity, love his playstyle, love the flexibility of being
able to play him at guard ortackle. I think that would light a
fire under Evan Neil's ass because ifwe go quarterback or wide receiver. I

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mean, Evan Neil knows that hehas a starting job and there's nothing really
preventing him from thinking otherwise. Andwe can, you know, draft some
folks later on day two, daythree. But I think Evan Neil is
in a much more comfortable seat bycomparison to if we took an offensive lineman
in the first round, and givenall the hype around the offensive lineman in

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the first round this year, itwould just be spectacular if we're able to
add somebody like Fuaga into the mix, you know, to compete, don't
I don't see any harm in doingthat. You know, Fontinu from Washington
love that guy. Wouldn't be madat him at all. Again, flexibility

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tackle guard. A lot of peoplespeculate that he's going to end up being
a better guard prospect than a tackleprospect. Cool. We need them so
would love to have them. Lathamsame thing, guard flexibility, tackle flexibility.
He projects more as a right tackle. I mean, it would be
pretty awesome to have Latham and kneelnext to each other. I mean,

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just the size of those two standingnext to each other. On the right
side of the line. That's afortified offensive line as far as I'm concerned.
You know, Evan Neil being successfulor not having another huge body like
Latham next to him, whichever oneof them ends up at guard ursut tackle
to figure that out in camp.I mean, that would be something where

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if I'm Daniel Jones, I'm notseeing ghosts anymore because I know that I've
got protection on that side of theline, way more than I've ever had
before. So you know, givenDaniel Jones a contract, I think you
got a ride with them not gowith a quarterback in the first round.
If they do go quarterback, Ihope it would be JJ McCarthy because I
think he is the safest bet.But my preference again really would be offensive

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line. I think at the endof the day they end up going wide
receiver. I think, you know, all the smoke with Giants looking for
a quarterback, this front office hasn'tleaked information about what they want, So
all the smoke being about the Giantsneed to trade up for a quarterback,

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desperate for a quarterback, bah blahblah blah. To me, that reads
as though the Giants are trying tohype up the fact that they want to
take a quarterback so that somebody likeMinnesota or a Las Vegas or a Denver
jump ahead of them to take thequarterback that they didn't even want in the
first place, and then subsequently oneof the wide receivers also them. Gives

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them a better shot at getting oneof two wide receivers that they probably have
a similar grade on and they wouldbe comfortable selecting, be it Harrison,
Neighbors or Dunza. I think aDunsay makes the most sense based off of
how they want to build the teamand sort of the structure of where they're
at. You pay the quarterback,you need a one wide receiver, big

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physical dude. We haven't had thatin forever. Bring him in. I
mean, contested catch rate through theroof with that guy. Daniel could just
lob it up to him. He'llcome down with it, no problem whatsoever.
So I think, you know,come next Thursday, I expect Roman
Dunday if he's there, to beatthe selection barring us trading down, but

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I would be answering every call imaginabletrying to move down in the draft so
that we can add an offensive linemanbecause I think the caliber of starting offensive
lineman outside of the first round isnearly a strong There's gonna be a run
and by the time our second roundpick forty seven comes up, you're gonna

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have, you know, your choiceof a couple of guys. But I'm
not enamored with any of them tothe point of being gung ho that man.
If they step in, they're reallyjust gonna be able to take the
rain, start and plug and playwhere you know, onto the next level.

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If we don't take an offensive linemanin the first two rounds, then
I'd really prioritize taking two offensive linemenwith our third and fourth round picks,
particularly with our hit rate on offensivelinemen outside of the first couple of rounds
just been abysmal. I know thatI talk about we need to invest more

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draft capital in the offensive line,and a lot of fans be like,
we've invested the most draft capital inoffensive linemen in the last five six years,
whatever the case might be. Well, we haven't hit. And in
order to try to rectify that situation, we've got to identify, you know,
the two u NC Guysdoozu mckeithan terriblePicks Channel Mew terrible pick, Matt

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Pert terrible pick. And it's notthat I have a problem with those people
as individuals, but they were selectedin solid rounds, a solid draft capital
where we really needed to hit thosepicks, and it didn't work out.
So lean a slate, it iswhat it is. We need to move

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on. We need offensive lineman andwe can sign people in the off season
like run In, like Iluminar,like the guy from Tampa Bay. It's
just like a camp body, backup, whatever the case might be.
But if we're actually serious about competing, we need a legitimate offensive line.
And you know, if we're gettinginto the day two, day three targets,

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I mean Cedric van Pran from Georgia. I think everybody's asleep on this
kid. Yeah he's a little shyat three hundred pounds, but I mean
talk about production in a big programin the SEC at Georgia, three year
starter, everything you could want.He's a center. We could probably play
a mcguard again. Position versatility.Say something happens to my boy John Michael,

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he it's hurt, no problem,slide Cedric van Prann in there.
You know we've got a starting calibercenter. Who did it? For three
years. Not an issue. TannerBORDERLINI from Wisconsin love Tanner a little bit
of the Justin Pew and him withthe short arms and what have you.
But Wisconsin's a powerhouse in terms ofchurning out offensive, blind talent, and

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I was really impressed with everything thathe had to offer, you know,
throughout the process, combine Bowl games, all that kind of stuff. I
really like Tanner. Bo Limmer isanother guy who I really like. At
Arkansas. Again, all these guysare centers but could play guard, So
I don't see any issue with anyof them transitioning and then offering the versatility

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to be able to slide in ifthere was some sort of an injury.
Mason McCormick South Dakota State. Lovethat kid. I think he's he's a
bruiser. You know. He's aleft guard, I believe at South Dakota,
and we're seemingly going to put JohnRunyan in at left guard from every

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indication that I see. But JohnRunyan's also played right guard, so I
don't think it would be too muchof an issue if he was more comfortable
the left side of the right side. Again, Brisilico can figure all this
stuff out. You got to gethim the bodies to sort through to actually
be able to field a legitimate offensiveline. But Mason McCormick is a guy

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that I like. Brandon Coleman isa guy that I like. BB and
Haynes. I'd be okay with them. I'm not over the moon with them.
By comparison to the other names thatI just rattled off, I think
that, you know, having totake one of those guys at forty seven,

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by comparison to waiting till the thirdround and even the fourth round to
get some of these other folks,I'd rather wait, particularly because some of
these other positions of need for usare going to catastrophically plummet in terms of
quality of talent after the second andthird round. So I don't want to

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allocate a second round pick to anoffensive lineman just based off of how I
think the draft is gonna blow froma positional value standpoint. Some other names
that I like, you know,Dominic Pooney, Roger Rose Garden, Hunter
Nors, Drake Nugit. I thinkhe gets a bad rap because he's so

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small, but it's kind of likethat Jason Kelsey Mold. I'm not saying
that he's Jason Kelcey, but guy'sa starter at Stanford. Transfer to Michigan.
Jim Harbaugh, huge offensive line guru, brings this guy in intentionally wins
a championship. Everything about him istop notch except for his size, and

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I am normally a stickler when itcomes to size, do not get me
wrong, But something about the gritbehind nugit really like him. Garrett Greenfield
another one, kind of a project, but certainly interested in seeing what he
has to offer. Garjulo from SouthCarolina. Rhyme from Oklahoma, Blade the

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kid from Maryland. Really was impressedwith him at the combine. Didn't pay
too much attention to him at theAll Star BOWLT but he caught my eye
at the combine, and I thinkhe's sort of a sneaky prospect to add
on Day three. So you know, it thins out quite a bit if
you don't get somebody in that thirdor fourth round. And that's really my

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cause for concern. I mean,everybody's calling for like quarterback and wide receiver
day one, day two. Andif that's the case, either, you
know, you take the wide receiverin round one and then the quarterback in
round two. You know, thenames like Pennix and bone Nicks and Spencer
Rattler, all that kind of stuff. I just don't see that being the

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best options or investments for us longterm. So if we don't get the
good offensive lineman in round one andwe wait until round three, then you're
really banking on somebody getting being ableto start, you know, straight away
from that grouping, and I thinkthe Vamprim Bordolini, Limmer, Coleman,

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McCormick, like those guys could start. But at the same time, I'd
want to sort of hedge that betand double down in the third and fourth
if we don't get one of thosepremier guys that listed off initially in the
first round, be it a tradedown or what have you. So that's
sort of where I'm at on theoffensive line in terms of how I think

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we should go about addressing our needsand how the draft is going to flow
from a position value standpoint. I'mnot a BPA guy. I'm more of
an intersection between team needs and positionalvalue based off of runs that are going

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to happen throughout the draft. So, like I was alluding to huge run
on offensive lineman Day one, andthen there's sort of a falloff, so
capitalize on that initial run, orwait a bit, don't kind of get
caught up in the middle and reachfor somebody. So, if I'm looking
at it, how we can allocateour draft capital the best way to address

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all the issues that we have.The way that I would look at it
in order based off the positional tiersI foresee playing out, it would go
offensive line Day one, Day twowould be cornerback and wide receiver. Those
are sort of interchangeable. Be ityou take a wide receiver in the second,
cornerback in the third, or viceversa cornerback in the second, wide

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receiver in the third. I thinktaking a running back in the fourth,
and then fifth and sixth some combinationof quarterback, safety, and tight end.
You might say to me, well, you know what quarterback is going
to be available in the fifth roundthat would be worthwhile. Well, my
answer to you is Joe Milton.Joe Milton's actually my favorite quarterback in this

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draft, and I see him projectedanywhere from the fourth to sixth round,
which I think is ludicrous. Ithink Joe Milton should be a second or
third rounder, and it would notsurprise me in the slightest if he went
that high. I think he shouldgo that high. But the way that
most people have Joe Milton graded rightnow is at a fifth rounder. So

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if he's available in the fifth that'sreally the sort of draft capital allocation that
I would like to see from theGiants in terms of investing in another quarterback,
a high upside guy who's got allthe intangibles, the arm strength.
You can, you know, saywhat you want about his accuracy, but
if you watch that guy's highlight film, I mean he drops it in the

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bread basket. You watch some ofthe throws at the combine at his pro
day, I mean he's even cockyabout his accuracy, and I love to
see that he was working with Palmergetting his act together. He kind of
reminds me of, you know,the Josh Allen Jalen Hurts Molder the world
where they're like, oh, well, you know, he's good and he's

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got a lot of the traits thatyou look for, like Josh Allen's size
and everything like that, but hemakes bad decisions. Well that's fine.
He was in two different programs,two different offenses. First off, the
Michigan One, didn't fit him atall, and then he was able to
light it up Tennessee. Jalen Hyattwouldn't have had the career year that he

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did, which ultimately led to himbeing drafted by the Giants if not for
Joe Milton. So Joe Milton isa guy that if we could get him
fourth or fifth round, I mean, that's a steal in my eyes.
You've got Daniel for another year.You got to live and die by a
contract he gave him. Again,you did that to yourself, So take
accountability for it and ride that out. And then if Joe Milton can come

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in and prove everybody wrong as afourth or fifth round quarterback, I mean
that's something that I could really buyinto. And I think everybody's sort of
sleeping on Joe Milton right now,but I don't see a scenario where he's
not going to be successful at thenext level. I think he's a huge

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sleeper under the radar prospect and he'sgoing to prove a lot of people wrong.
So in terms of quarterback, that'swhere I would go there. I
think there's a lot of safety optionalityand tight end optionality on day three as
well. Safety you know, there'sa variety of folks that are going to
fall into Day three. Oladappo Procter. I really like Ryan Watts, the

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kid out of Texas who they're saying, you know, is a corner,
but it's probably going to project tobe a safety in the in the NFL.
So, you know, folks likethat make a lot of sense to
me in terms of filling that need. I'm not of the mindset that we

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need a safety this draft or weredoomed it would be nice to replay Xavior
McKinney. I've got some faith inthe guys that we have back there right
now. We've had worse safety groupingsin the last five to ten years,
So it's not an area where I'mlike, man, if we don't get

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a safety, we're crued. Butif again, value meets needs, you
know there on day three, byall means, I wouldn't be upset with
with a safety selection there tight endof course. Darren Waller, I mean
I would have loved to have thethird round pick we gave up for him

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and use that for a tight end. This is one of my issues with
trading away picks for players. Thesame thing goes for Brian Burns, Like,
I get it. Brian Burns hellof an athlete, He's young,
complete game changer for us right offthe bat. But you give up draft
capital, like a second round pickcould have had a guy and a rookie
rookie deal. Not saying that asecond round rookie from this year will inevitably

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be Brian Burns. Could certainly happenif you absolutely hit on one. But
to give up draft capital and thento sign somebody long term, like that's
just a huge allocation. So Ihope that works out. Obviously didn't work
out great with Darren Waller grant,we didn't give Darren Waller a new contract
or anything like that, but tightends obviously an area that we need to

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address given the uncertainty around him andyou know his future. I mean this
year, next year he's definitely gone. Are we going to be able to
get another year out of him?Maybe? Is he going to be able
to say healthy that entire year?Highly doubt it. So that being said,

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you know, Theo Johnson getting alot of love, Ben Sanat getting
a lot of love. Jared Wileyhuge huge spike in his draft stock.
I would say in the last month. He looked great at the combine.
I think he's had a fantastic performancethroughout the draft process. So I wouldn't

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be surprised if all three of thoseguys go in, you know, day
two, even the second round.I could see all of them flying off
the board. One guy I likewho isn't being as being talked about as
much as those other three would beKate Stover from Ohio State. I think
Kate Stover is a perfect vertical threat, soft hands, big body, you

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know. I don't think he's atip ryman type where he's just going to
be an inline blocker the whole time, but he can offer some blocking help
for sure. Love the grit thathe plays with. I think he was
a security blanket for CJ. Stroudat Ohio State. He would be a
huge gift for us. And Imean, Darren Waller could definitely impart some

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wisdom on him as a route runneras receiver, you know, kind of
let Kate shadow him for a yearas he transitions out and even if he
doesn't stick around whatever, I thinkKate could find his own way in the
world. But some other tight endprospects that I like, A J Barnarrett

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of Michigan. I think he's beingslept on a decent bit, Eric All
from Iowa, Revin span Ford,and then if you really want to get
deep into the weeds late day threeor potentially undraft free agent targets, Treynox
and Devin Culp like both those guysa good bit, but definitely think that
we need to address tight end atsome point in this draft. Cornerback.

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Let's get to cornerback. So cornerbackis an area that I think we need
to address in you know, Imean, I wouldn't be against it in
round one. Quinon Mitchell at sixcall me insane. Again, I think
a lot of this. Most peoplewould call me insane. But Quinion Mitchell's
prototype cornerback. He's what you want, and being able to pair him with

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Deontay Banks would be fantastic. Youknow. Again, if everybody's more comfortable
with a quick little trade down toget him instead of an offensive lineman,
fine, I would not be upsetabout it, would not throw the remote
whatsoever. But at the same time, I think that if we go with
cornerback in the first round, thenwe're really digging ourselves a whole in terms

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of like the positional value Day two, day three, because it is a
particularly deep draft at the cornerback position. Now, assuming that we still have
a cornerback need on day two,I think day two is an optimal time
to take a cornerback. And theguy that I would really be targeting is
Kyrie Jackson from Oregon. This guy'sgot the height, the length, of

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play style. I mean, he'severything that I want a cornerback. So
I would take him at forty seven. I wouldn't want a chance, you
know, take the risk that he'sgoing to make it to us in the
third round. So if I havemy d brothers, we'd be going offensive
line in the first round. We'dbe going Kyrie Jackson in the second round.

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You might I'd be saying to me, what the hell are you doing
at wide receiver. I still thinkthere's gonna be a lot of optionality at
wide receiver in the third round,particularly because most teams are going to try
to address that in the first tworounds. But some other names I like
a cornerback while we're on the topic, Kamari Lassiter from Georgia. I think
he's good. I think he coulddefinitely slote in and be a starter,

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no problem TJ Tampa into him.My big concern with TJ Tampa is,
as much as I love that he'sa big hitter, the CT and concussion
thing really concerns me with TJ TampaAnd I don't know how long of a
career he's going to have in theNFL if he keeps up those big hits,
and not to mention the effects thatthose big hits that he's had in

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college will r to be, youknow, playing a role in him going
into his NFL career. So Ilike his capabilities. I hope he's able
to prove me wrong, but longevityconcerns that TJ Tampa kind of scares me
a little bit. It Cam Hart, guy that's been getting a lot of
a lot of love out of NotreDame. I think he's an interesting option

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on Day two, probably more ofa Round three guy. I wouldn't reach
for him in the second round.Same thing with Max Melton, Rutgers guy,
local product, wouldn't be upset withhim. I don't think that I
buy the hype on him as muchas everybody's saying like he's a surefire second
rounder, could sneak into the firstround. I think that's absurd, but

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I do think that's he's a qualitytalent. You know, round three,
round four wouldn't be bad to addhim into the mix, and I think
he could potentially start. I thinkthere will be a learning curve Sam if
he threw him in the deep endright out of the gate. But you
know he's he's got some intangibles atthat position. They can't ignore. Some

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other folks that I like more onthe day three side, the Cameron Richardson
like him a good bit. Pritchettfrom Auburn. It's White mcglothern is probably
my most under the radar cornerback inthis draft. I don't know why everybody
is sleeping on Dwight, but Ithink he brings a unique blend of size,

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speed and production to the table thatyou know, for somebody you're going
to be able to get in thefifth, sixth round is relatively unparalleled.
So I'd love to see Dwight evenif we address cornerback early on, and
like I was saying, we canadd a safety late on day three,

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I wouldn't be upset if we addedanother corner late on day three just to
sort of cover our bases at thatspot because we don't have a ton of
depth. Comal Hayden Marcella's dial isanother guy who I'm pretty high on that
I never hear anybody talking about.So those are some corners that I think
would definitely be worthwhile ads for usbe it. You know, day two,

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day three, definitely need to adda corner at some point. I
mean, we can't go into theyear without another starting corner. They didn't
address it in free agency this year, so it is what it is.
We need one of those guys.I'm really banking on Kyrie Jackson unless I
go Quenya Mitchell somehow in the first, which I would assume would have to

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come through a trade down. Pivotingover to defensive line another huge need again
building in trenches. Like Dave twowould always say, looking at some of
those folks, you know Braden Fiskin the second, is he going to
be there? Maybe I could definitelysee him pairing well with our defensive line

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and everything that we need out ofsomebody to come in onto that unit.
Robinson, the kid from Missouri,A lot of people like him a good
bit. I don't know if he'llbe there at forty seven, and I
don't think he's like perfect fit forour scheme either. Mike Hall, a
kid from Ohio State, like hima lot. I mean, he's up

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there. For me, prioritizing MikeHall in the third or fourth round would
be fantastic. I don't think he'sgonna like get much further than that.
I highly doubt that he falls outof day two, to be quite honest
with you, I mean his pastrushing prowess is sensational and seeing what he

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was able to do at Ohio State, being able to replicate that alongside Brian
Burns, Sexy DEXI, you know, cavon these guys. He would definitely
give opposing quarterbacks, you know,some nightmares the day before game day because

(44:51):
you're gonna have to allocate two guysto decks. You're gonna have to allocate
two guys to you know, ata minimum, Burns and Thibodeau, if
not two to one of them andthen one to the other, and then
you're pretty much out. That's that'san entire offensive line unit. So having
somebody like Mike Hall one on oneI would absolutely decimate in those sorts of

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scenarios. So I would love tosee Mike Hall be an addition aurorer Row.
That's that's one name that I wishI could hear Dave T say.
I don't know if I even saidit correctly. I think I did,
but maybe I didn't. But Iknow that he would have. He would
have tried on that one as hardas he could have. But it's it's
a hell of a name to haveto pronounce. A lot of people like

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him, you know, he wouldhave to probably be a second round pick.
I don't know if I like himthat much. I think he has
a lot of potential. He hasn'tbeen playing football his whole life. He's
got a lot of upside, goodpass rushing prowess as well. But you
know, I think you can getMike Hall in the third and Aurora Row
you probably got to, you know, pay up a second four. And

(45:59):
again, i'd rather prior times offensiveline and cornerback with our first two picks.
So I think he'll kind of beout of reach. But it's not
that I don't like him. Again, it's just that intersection of positional value
and draft capital that I think doesn'tnecessarily align. Dorles is somebody that is
getting a lot of hype like hisgame a good bit, but you know

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he's not somebody that over the moongonna pound the table for necessarily. McKinley
Jackson, on the other hand,Big McKinley Jackson, guy McKinley Jackson next
to decks would be quite a sightto be held. Not only is he
a mammoth of an individual, buthe actually can get after the quarterback.

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So I like McKinley Jackson. He'ssomebody who again in that third fourth,
probably more the fourth round range,would be a heck of an addition to
the defensive line. Wouldn't be upsetseeing McKinley's name get called for Big Blue
whatsoever. Logan Lee is a guyfrom Iowa who's a bit undersize for the

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position, but I like him alot. Really stood out to me at
the combine, did all the drills, well, look the part. He
might be more of a three fourD n than a D tackle. But
you know a lot of people willquestion his pass rush capability, which you
know, he's in a weird defenseat Iowa where they're not looking to do

(47:30):
that every single place. So Idon't know if he necessarily hit his ceiling
there at the college level. ButI think he's got a lot of room
to grow, and I really likethe foundation he has as a player.
And again, when you talk intersectionof positional value, as somebody you're going
to get like the fifth, sixthround, probably even the sixth rown And

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that's just a steal in my eyes, to get to get somebody like him.
Tyler Davis. I could take eve. I like him. You could
definitely get him later on. Butam I gonna pound the table for him?
Not necessarily. Here's one that I'mprobably gonna butcher the name on,
but I do like quite a bitat Alabama a boy be. I think

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that kid is just starting to showwhat he can do. He is the
prototypical three four D n but canplay inside as well if you want to
drop a four to three package onhim or something like that. Incredible uh

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Swatten passes. You know, theturnover rate with this kid is through the
roof interceptions, fumble recoveries. He'sgot a nose for the ball, good
size for the position, comes froma pedigree program, and was able to
still produce even with loaded uh youknow position around him every year at Alabama.

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I think that he's a fantastic developmentalplayer that I would love to see
the Giants invest in on probably Daythree. I don't think he'll make it
today too. I think he's moreof a top end Day three guy,
but would not be upset if wemissed out on you know, Fisk,

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Mike Hall, a row Row,McKinley, Jackson, getting a Bugbee in
you know, the fourth round,the fifth round somewhere in there would would
be perfect in my eyes, andhe'd be a welcome addition to help solidify
that defensive front for us. Andthen one that I was really high on

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until the Dewey caught the other weekis is DeAndre Sweat? Now where would
we put de and Andre Sweat?I don't know, but it's again sort
of that intersection of value where now, even with the Dewey, you know
he's going to be available third,fourth round or something like that, to

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be able to put him next toDecks. Even though he's not going to
be the penetrating force that Dex is, he's still going to command two offensive
linemen every time that he's on thefield because one on one matchups, he's
just going to beat you up.So if he's going to take up two
offensive linemen, dex is going totake up two offensive linemen, then you've

(50:29):
got thibdaum Burns one on one,you know. Or a team's going to
have to allocate six offensive linemen justto keep the defensive line at bay.
So I don't think we end uptaking sweat the concerns around the partying and
everything. I thought we were beyondthat, but given the dewey in the

(50:50):
draft month of all times, andcoming into a market like New York City,
I mean, if you're a partyanimal down in Texas, I don't
see how you're going to stay outof the clubs in Manhattan. So pe
uber over here, I'm sure,but you know, it's still just too
messy of a situation to be comfortablewith. So I wish him the best.

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I think he can be successful,and hopefully the DUI was enough to
get him to realize that he reallyneeds to turn himself around the way fluctuation
issues like. I like his personalitya lot, and I think he loves
the game of football, but Ithink he's somebody that relies too much on
his physical abilities and just his massto throw people around. That will ultimately

(51:42):
catch up to him at the nextlevel. You know, he's not the
athlete like Jordan Davis or Dexter Lawrence, so I don't really see him falling
into that category. But for ateam that needs a nose tackle that can
stop the run penetrate a little bit, if you can get Passo's character concerns
are like him, I wouldn't totallyeliminate him, but you know, he's

(52:02):
probably somebody more around like the fourthround that I'd be looking at now,
just giving all the off field concernswith him. Defensive end, we can
never have too many pass rushers.But at the same time, I don't
see where that intersection is going tobe for us. It would probably have
to be in the second round.Chop Robinson is probably going to go in

(52:25):
the first round. I could seeus trading up in the second round if
somebody is there that we really likebeing on the defensive line or otherwise.
I mean, inevitably, people aregoing to fall out of the first round.
Happens every year. There's always atrade up in the beginning of the
second and if we're going to tradeup at all, I would rather go
that route. By comparison A desaIsaac Chop, Robinson's teammate coming out of

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Penn State. Like him a goodbit Brayln Trice. I mean that kid
wins a lot. I don't havean issue with him being a bit undersize.
He can get into the weight roomand figure all that kind of stuff
out, so you know, youcan give him a knock on that front.

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But it's not something that's as muchof an issue to me. And
then more so Day three folks CedricJohnson, Miles Cole, Trajan, Jeff
Coe, Brady McGregor for some namesthat I really like, I would be
upset with us adding, you know, an additional defensive end into the mix.
The more the merrier, help youthink back to the days when we

(53:36):
were taking one, you know,the first second round every year for a
period of time, and ultimately thathelped us win a championship. So I'm
not opposed to it. I don'tthink early on there is an intersection again,
a positional value and draft capital expenseto justify taking somebody in the first
two rounds, but maybe somebody fallsand there into it. I mean,

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could you imagine adding another premier edgerusher on top of Brian Burns and Kveon
Thibodeau, Like, that's already goingto be overwhelming enough for offensive lines and
quarterbacks have to contend with. Youthrow another guy into the mix, that
would be absolutely bonkers and would definitelyhelp us, you know, in terms

(54:21):
of getting to the quarterback and allthat kind of stuff. So could definitely
see that plan out going back towide receiver for a second, if we
don't go wide receiver in the firstwhich again I think in all likelihood is
the the odds on favorite for howit's going to play out Day two.
Some guys I like in the secondthird round. First off, Keon Coleman

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from Florida State, far and awaymy top guy out of that next grouping.
You're talking about a guy who similarto Roma Duneesa, you could just
chuck it up there. He's gota basketball background, high point, catches
every freaking ball thrown his way,and that is just a trade that you

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cannot get for the most part,So being able to get him in the
second round, I don't think he'sthere. I think he's one of those
guys that we would have to againtrade up early day two to go get.
But if he falls, I sawsomething on the Twitter x machine last
night where somebody compiled all the bettinglines of where people would go, and

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Kean Coleman was forty six and ahalf as the over underline on him.
And I mean, if he getsthat close to us, I would not
be opposed to giving up something smallto be able to get him. I
think he would be a transformation forour offense, for our receiving corps,

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for Daniel Jones, whoever our nextquarterback is going to be. Just having
that sort of security blanket would bean absolute game changer in some we haven't
had forever. Xavie will get lovea kid. I think he's a He's
gonna be solid, you know.Is he going to be able to substantiate
himself as a pure play number onelike some of the big names in this

(56:15):
league. I don't know if hegets all the way to that ceiling,
but I think he could be asdominant a number two as you could have
out there. I love the bigbody of receivers, so you know,
his size is a huge plus forme. I think he's going to do
great things. Loved him don Amobileat the Senior Bowl. I'm sure we'll

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talk to Naggi about him a goodbit as well. Another guy from the
Senior Bowl who I think is beingslept on way too much, Jerry Rice's
son, Brendan Rice. I wouldlove to add Brendan Rice. And if
you can get Brendan Rice in thethird round, I mean, what are
we talking about? How do younot do that? I mean run to

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the podium with that selection. Andthat's again where everybody's infatuated with going with
a wide receiver, you know,day one, there's just it's a deep
position, Like yeah, Donsay andHarrison are a tier above them. But
again, we're not going to bein a place where one of those guys

(57:22):
is going to launch us into aSuper Bowl. So being able to take
somebody who's not that far off fromthose folks in the second or third round,
particularly in the third round, youknow, to me, that's a
much better value an allocation of draftcapital at a position where we've spent a

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lot as of late, you know, Wandell Robinson, Jalen Hyatt. It's
not like we haven't been allocating draftcapital to the wide receiver position and we
haven't been able to get those guysthe ball. So you know, I
don't think that spending a first rounderon a wide receiver definitely makes a ton
of sense. But somebody like Ricetes Walker, who I alluded to earlier,

(58:08):
I think he was a saving gracefor Drake May. I think he's
flying under the radar. I thinkhe's going to be sensational at the next
level. My only question with himis would he be able to handle a
market like New York by comparison toif he stayed in Carolina and went to
the Panthers or another smaller market team. I think he might be a little

(58:28):
bit more successful in a smaller market, But if he could handle the limelight
in New York City, I wouldlove tes Walker in Big Blue. I'm
not saying that he's going to bethe next two keeam Nicks, but he,
dann Well could be. He reallycould. I have full faith in
that. So tes Walker is aguy I put in there with Rice as
somebody third round, absolute steel runto the podium, no brainer. And

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then the other one who falls intothat same category for me would be Javon
Bay. The Alabama transfer got aton of hype during the Senior Bowl week,
played his butt off, had agreat combine made all kinds of catches,
you know, just kind of kepthis head down, did his thing,

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got a little bit of love hereand there, but wasn't you know,
in every interview and being hyped upby every media pundon. It was
just kind of like, oh,yeah, Baker's a name that you hear
around, but nobody was really takingthe opportunity to highlight him and everything that
he's been able to accomplish. SoI think he's somebody that, again,

(59:35):
a strong stout wide receiver that Iwould not be upset adding into the mix
whatsoever in the third round. Ifhe fell to the fourth round, that
would be wild, but it couldcertainly happen. And again the optionality there
third and fourth round at the widereceiver position, I think, you know,

(59:57):
could round out our receiving corps andagain not be an insane allocation of
capital for us at that position wherewe've already been spending a lot. And
I do have hope in Wandell andJalen Hiatt more so than the offensive lineman
that I kind of shoot on before. At the end of the day,

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I think they have more upside andthey haven't really had the opportunity to prove
themselves, like the offensive linemen whohave just kind of fallen on their face.
So you know, those are someof the targets I've been looking at
there since wide receiver is a hotbutton priority for everybody, and I think
if you do want a year onecontributor, you've got to grab them in

(01:00:37):
the first three rounds. Otherwise thenyou're starting to really tear off on that
front as well. And then you'relooking at projects and folks that you know,
can maybe be a role player butdefinitely can't be a number one guy
right out of the gate. Couldthey develop into it, sure, but
you know, I don't think thatthey'll they'll be the producers that everybody's hoping

(01:01:00):
that they can be. And thenlast but not least in terms of position
to need that I think we shouldcover here quickly is running back. I
mean, we lose Saquon. Mythoughts on the Saquon thing. I'm happy
for him that he didn't have touproot his family and that he got paid.
He deserved to get paid. Weshould have never drafted Saquon. You

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know, at the end of theday, it was a luxury pick and
all we did was get that kidinjured. So I wish him the best.
Even though he's on the Eagles,I won't be rooting for him when
we play the Eagles, but otherwiseI wish him nothing but the best.
I think they overpaid him and Idon't think he's going to be able to
play a full season, so Ithink it was a smart move to let

(01:01:42):
him walk. But that's not tosay that, you know, at the
end of the day, he shouldn'tbe successful and contend for a Super Bowl
with them, So best of luckto Saquon, but filling that hole,
I like Singletary a bit of anunderguy, undersized guy in the height department,
but it makes up for it department, and I think that's what some
of these names that I'm looking aton day three would be in a similar

(01:02:07):
Vein my two top guys, Iwould say Braylan Allen and Marshaun Lloyd.
Braylan Allen doesn't get a ton ofhype. I don't know why, you
know, Marshaon Lloyd gets a tonof hype. A lot of these guys
get a ton of hype from themedia. I really haven't seen anybody talking
about Brayleen Allen, and I meanhe is a big body back. I

(01:02:30):
was hoping that we were gonna signaj Dillon because I miss having like that
big bruiser maller Brandon Jacob's style runner. I'm not saying that Braylen Allen is
going to beat Brandon Jacobs, butagain, just having somebody who's two hundred
and forty pounds plus, it's dauntingfor any defensive back, any linebacker.

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I mean, being able to tacklesomebody who's two hundred pounds when they're normally
bigger, easy peasy. But totry to take on Braylan allenmultiple times of
game would be tough. I likehis vision. I liked his production at
Wisconsin. I think he's in everydown back. Probably not could he develop
into that, sure, but asa compliment to Devin Singletary and the sort

(01:03:15):
of bridge that gap. I'm alsonot giving up on Eric Ray. You
know a lot of people have alreadywritten off Eric Ray. Eric Gray didn't
get any sort of consistency with histouches last year. So coming into the
system, having a little bit morereps, learning the playbook, a little

(01:03:36):
bit more complex playbook, all thatkind of stuff. I liked Eric Gray
coming out of Oklahoma last year,so I think that, you know,
he could definitely produce. So we'relooking for more of a compliment and if
we hit and they develop into astarter, great Braylan Allen Marshall Lloyd one
of my favorites. I think he'sthe most versatile in the class in terms

(01:03:58):
of you know, blocking, receiving, running. I just love his play
style, you know, kind ofin that a mod Bradshaw type of a
mold tenacious runner doesn't mind lowering theboomstick, but it doesn't have to do
that can be shift. He canget around you. I don't think they
threw the ball to him as muchas he could have handled at USC.

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But I really like Marshall Lloyd andif we could get him in like the
fourth round, that would be somebodyI would definitely prioritize. I like will
Shipley at a ket Clemson Ray Davisbeen getting a lot of hype as of
late. Liked him a good bitat the combine and throughout the process.
Again, he's more of a compliment. Guy Tyrone Tracy's somebody who's been getting

(01:04:44):
a lot of hype in like thedeep scouting circles as an all around can
do everything back and I agree withthat. I worry about the transition into
a large market like New York forsomeone like him coming out of a smaller
program. But he's got the rules. Isaac Garrendo combine warrior metrics through the

(01:05:05):
roof, looks good on film.You know, I wouldn't be upset with
him. But he's not somebody thatI necessarily pound the table for, but
could certainly be a solid compliment.Frank or junior guy I love. I
mean, you can have Frank goresSon. Could you imagine getting Jerry Rice's

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kid and Frank Gore's kid in thesame draft. I mean, if they
are half of what their fathers were, that would be a real, real,
strong and welcome addition to the bigBlue wrecking crew. So Frank Gore
is somebody who I'm seeing, youknow, easy sixth round er, maybe
seventh round or maybe undrafted free agent, which I just can't fathom that,
but I have seen it in rankingsacross the web pages there. So he's

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somebody that I really like. DylanJohnson has a change of paceback really like
him too. I think he producedreally well at that program and a loaded
offense, and you know, didit well, I think he's being slept
on quite a bit. Good sizeto him. Again, not free down
back, but as a change ofpace guy could definitely, you know,

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be a welcome edition to that runningback room. More of a power back
like him, a good bit andKendall Milton out of Georgia would be my
other one that I think, youknow, another big body guy, good
change of pace guy, not necessarilygoing to be someone who you rely on
every down. He could potentially developinto that. But you know, running

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back is a position that I thinkwe need to address. I wouldn't be
super hurt about it. I mean, at the end of the day,
we only have so many picks,right and we have so many holes that
we need to fill. Hence whyI prefer trade back get a couple more
picks, you know, this year, next year, whatever the case.
It is, like we're not goingto compete for a super Bowl in the
next two years. So everybody thinkingthat we're a wide receiver a quarterback away

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and then we're gonna be in theplayoffs and really really make a run,
I mean just not gonna happen,you know, It's not. So that's
something that once we can come togrips with that. It's a matter of
Okay, well, we only haveso many picks this year, and how
are we going to allocate them?Running back is an area where we can
certainly look to upgrade, but likesafety, it's something that if we don't

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and we just roll with Singletary andGray, I mean, we need to
be passing a lot more. Ourrun game hasn't even worked. So what
difference does it make if we're youknow, running with Singletary and Gray by
comparison to you know, adding oneof these folks that I just mentioned into
the mix and seeing what they coulddo. I mean, hopefully they'd be

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able to produce for us, andthat would be all well and good.
But you know, again, Ithink we only have so many picks and
we've got to figure out a wayto allocate them efficiently. To build for
the future, we need building blocksand again in the trench. I mean,
I cannot emphasize it enough. Ifwe only took offensive and defensive lineman

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in this draft, I would bethrilled. And I know most people will
throw the remote call me crazy,but you do something like that and you
see how different it is for yourteam. I mean look at the Lions,
look at the Colts. You know, you can have a Gardner Minshew
and a Jared Goff back there andif they have time to make decisions,

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they can play well. They canmake the playoffs, they can make a
run. You have to be strongin the trenches in order to win games.
So that is my take and I'msticking to it. Would love to
see an offensive lineman in around one, highly doubt it happens. Appreciate y'all
sticking around. I know this wasa long winded solo show, but just
wanted to kind of get my thoughtsout there for everybody to kind of take

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in before we have some gas onthe pod in the coming weeks. But
keep a lookout. We're going tobe showing up with a lot more shows
between now and Draft Night. Mightcome back with a recap show, and
I haven't done that the last coupleof years. I had the intention to
do it, but never got aroundto it, but maybe this might be
the year. But we're really excitedfor the line up, specifically with the

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emphasis on folks who are diehard Giantsfans like most of our guests are,
so stick stick around, stay tuned, and We look forward to having you
back on the next Scouts on ourpodcast. Thanks for listening.