Dave Del Col with Dave “Sy” Syvertsen

Dave Del Col is joined once again by Dave Syvertsen from Ourlads Scouting. Sy is a long time friend of the show and Dave Te. Dave and Sy run through a variety of prospects in their annual "would you rather" series. 

Episode Transcript

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Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back toanother edition of the Scouts on our podcast.
Today, we're pleased to welcome backa familiar friend of the program,
Dave Cyrison from our Lads Scouting.Dave, Welcome back to the show.
Brother. Great to have you onagain, Dave, thanks for having me
on. Always humbled and just honoredto be on with you guys, and
just kind of always honored the lateDave. T. Just kind of got

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to talk to Paul Crane earlier inthe week, so I just love that
we're circling back too and kind ofalmost almost wrapping up pre draft talk with
you and just kind of going throughyour format and getting some of your opinions
on these guys as well. Yeah. No, definitely definie shout out to
Paul Crane. This production would notbe possible without Paul Crane. So huge

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kudos to Paul Crane because he's beengiving me a lot of mentorship these last
couple of years, trying to keepthis thing going. To honor Dave T,
because I mean, he's taught meeverything I know. I know that
he was a big influence on yourscouting career as well, and it's been
fun this year, just kind ofcheck at and through you know, davet
anecdotes with guests and the first guestwe had on license Plate Guy, and

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some intersections between like Roger Goodell andDave T and all that kind of stuff.
So it's awesome. It's always cool. Yeah, like hear more stories
about him because we had our interactionswith him on a personal basis, But
the man's reputation and experience and depthand knowledge industry specializations spends so much more
than we're ever going to be ableto comprehend. So being able to chat

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with folks about him and kind ofconnect some dots in certain places is always
awesome. But yeah, definitely misshim this time of year, particularly when
we're going through all these prospects,because he was the guy that I would
talk to about all this stuff.But at least he was gracious enough to
leave us the show to be ableto continue to do this, and you

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know, we're just trying to honorhim by going through some more prospects and
we're going to cover a lot today. We're going to try to we're going
to bring back our would you Rathersegment? I think it just gives us
the best opportunity to comb through alot of Day two, Day three guys.
We've got some first round guys inhere as well to chat through,
just at a high level, becauseI think that there are names that we've
heard continuously around the Giants, eithersticking at six or training down. So

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we'll go through some of those andsome Day two, day three prospects that
you might have heard of or havenever heard of. And that's really what
we're trying to accomplish here, isjust kind of broadening the horizons into the
Day three guys. You make upthe bulk of the draft but often get
no love, so really appreciate youtaking the time to go through all that
on the side, but high level, it is draft week, we're recording

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this, it's Tuesday, we're twosleeps away from the big day. How
are you feeling good? Overwhelmed?It's kind of I can't complain about it
because I sign up for it,so it's it's just an amazing amount of
work that kind of comes down tokind of just funnels into this this three
day period of you know, thinkingthat you're right, but you're not really

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proven right or wrong until these guysplay for two or three years and you
always have to kind of keep thatin mind, you know, because we're
in a mock draft world where Ithink some believe ninety percent of the battle
is predicting where these guys are goingto get drafted, and to me,
I think there's some value in that, but I think the value is going
back and looking at what your gradeswere from two three years ago, right,

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and so you had to try tofind the final line, but very
few people want to talk about twothree years ago. I made. I
put a couple of pieces for ourlads together last year talking about who had
the best graded drafts from four yearsago, because that is how you have
to evaluate drafts. And I gavea player a number grade to every single
player that was drafted from every singleclass dating back to twenty eighteen. And

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it goes to show that teams thatare in the playoffs every year and really
contending for a Super Bowl, theystrung two three really good drafts together.
And it's funny how right now we'regoing to talk about it bunch of guys
in this class, but really thereal answers to these debates are going to
be coming three four years from now, and that's the further you get into

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this, you really want to getbetter at it, right, you spend
so much time you want to getbetter at you have to go back and
look where you made these mistakes.So that's what I look forward to the
most. But you know, reallyit's kind of like unwrapping some presents at
Christmas draft night, but you don'tactually get to play with them right away.
You know, you just kind ofget to see what the presents are
and then you got to kind ofgive it time to see what these presents

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are actually like to be played with. Yeah, I agree, everybody's right
this time of year because there's nothingto go off of and you can project
everything. Everybody's very opinionated this timeof year. But I think that was
a big thing with Dave T obviouslydecades and decades of successful track records to
be able to build up his credibility, yep, to be who he was

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as a scout, and that issomething that you got to go back and
look at, like where did Iget this wrong? And where did I
get this right? How can Ibuild in the future. Nobody's gonna have
hit rate', you know, likeif you're Batten three hundred you're doing a
pretty damn good job. So thereare all those fine lines, and I

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think a lot of it also comesdown to scheme fit and team fit and
you know, locker room culture.There's so many variables that if a player
ends up at a different franchise,they could have been more successful, less
less successful, whatever the case mightbe. But it is an interesting exercise
to go through every year, Alot of fun for all the fans and
everything, obviously, but yeah,let's dive right into it and see maybe

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let's do it all right, soeverybody's favorite topic this year quarterback. Let's
just get it out of the waynow. Yeah, so again we're not
going to do a lot of firstrounders here, but just out of curiosity,
since you know some of these arehot button names. McCarthy versus May.
Everybody's tacking trade up sell the farm. Let's go get one of these

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guys. If you had to pickbetween McCarthy and May, who would you
rather have? McCarthy and I actuallymade a video on this back. I
want to say in February, ourlads scouting who I worked for, we
just came out with our first YouTubechannel, and those that know about our
lads. That's a big deal thatwe went into that space because they're very
old school and it's been fun.One of the first videos I made was
the JJ McCarthy is better than DrakeMay video, and I think it's right

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now. It's got like over fiftyfive thousand views. It's our most viewed
video. And this really came outbefore anyone else was talking about it.
And I'm not banging the table sayinglook at me. I don't really care
about that stuff. If anything,I like to be in the minority.
But I remember putting my thoughts outthere on him, and it was right
after I studied JJ McCarthy. Ithink I've studied more of him than any

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quarterback I've ever studied because I wasobsessed with trying to get to see I
started starting glimpses of it as Istarted watching his tape, and I just
want to see more. And hisgames they take forever to watch because he
just didn't have to do it alot weak to week. But then you
have to just keep a running checklistof what I need to see to put
a first round grade on a quarterbackand check check check check check check.

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But yeah, I mean there's henever had to put the team on his
back, and that's where the differencebetween him and May truly does exist.
But that doesn't mean May did agood job of having the team put on
his back. JJ McCarthy did putdo a good job and the team was
put on his back in small moments, you know, the second half of
the Alabama game, third down,under pressure, the times they were playing

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from a deficit, that's where Ithink we saw the best of JJ McCarthy
and I believe that's where we sawthe worst of Drake May. So to
me, if you want to reallydumb it down to what is the biggest
difference between the two, I trustMcCarthy under pressure over May. I'm also
a big McCarthy guy. I thinkhe's got all the intangibles. And yeah,

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you didn't see a ton because hewasn't asked to do a ton over
there in Michigan. But at theend of the day, got one national
championship for program that has them oneone in quite some time, going up
against some heavy hitter programs, Sothere's got to be something between the lines
there. But we get harp onJJ McCarthy and Drake Man until the cows
come home. Everybody else is doinga rousing job of that. So let's
move on to a couple other namesthat folks are talking about. Is potentially,

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you know, trade up in thesecond round or back into the first,
depending on all the movement, etcetera, et cetera. Nix and
Pennix. Who would you rather haveout of those two? Yeah, I
mean, I'll go on record,I don't think either one of these guys
should be picked in the first round. I do think one of them might
sneak in, But I thought WillLevis would be picked in the first round
last year as well, and he, you know, he lasted until day
two, so we could see asimilar situation there. This has been a

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tough call. These guys are rightnext to me. I think Pennix has
much better arm talent. If youtook out the injury scares and injury history,
I think he's no question above Knicks. But the medicals have to be
a part of this process, andyou cannot ignore them, especially with a
guy like Pennix or Peyton Wilson,the linebacker from SCU State. You can
love them as players, but youhave to weigh in the injury history.

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It just it'd be foolish not tooespecially at this position and how much you
invest in a quarterback. So youknow, if I had to pick one
right now to start my team withor start over at quarterback, I'm going
bow Knicks. Even though I thinkhis ceiling is what Daniel Jones has brought
to the Giants where I just don'tsee him ever getting above that level.

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The experience does mean a lot himfighting through adversity at Auburn where he started
off on fire. Remember he wonthe SEC Freshman of the Year award,
which I think he was playing innineteen ninety five back for Auburn. That's
how long ago his career started.But then he hit rock bottom there and
on a terrible team in a terriblesituation, and then he goes out to

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Oregon, you know, much differentenvironment. But I like how he responded
to adversity and how he kind ofgot the most out of himself after hitting
rock bottom. So I think that'san important and tangible for a quarterback to
prove that that he can do that, Hey, I can get knocked down
and get back up, because thatis usually what causes most of these early
top quarterbacks that get drafted to notsucceed. Is they just do not respond

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to adversity the way a person should. Yeah, I agree with you.
Neither of that are really a sexypick in my eyes. I think they're
both pretty flawed and for a franchisethat is in desperate need of amplifying that
position, I don't see either ofthose guys really solving that problem anytime soon.
So hopefully they don't end up beingthe picks well see. Moving on

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though to more of the Day two, Day three guys at the quarterback position.
My favorite quarterback in this year's classJoe Milton versus a scouting community favorite
Spencer Rattler. Who would you ratherhave out of those two? I'm a
Joe Milton guy just because of whathe could do if he puts things all
together. If he puts everything together, great situation here. I mean,

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we hear Drake made Josh Allen compsall the time in relation to the Giants.
If there's a comp in this classthat I would compare to Josh Allen,
it's it's Joe Milton. And Idon't want to put Josh Allen on
Joe Milton. I don't think he'sgoing to project that level. But if
there's a guy in here that hassimilar arm talent, a similar vibe of

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rawness, and in need of NFLcoaching, in need of NFL scheme to
really find out what he can do, it's Milton. I mean, he's
sixty five two forty four, runswell. He throws the ball as far
and as hard as you're ever goingto need to in the NFL, and
that alone needs to be tempered alittle bit. I think that's something he'll
need to work on. But that'sthe situation where I say, hey,

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Dable did it already with a JoshAllen and that was with a little bit
more pressure. That was a tradeup into round one. Joe Milton is
a third or fourth round pick thatthere isn't going to be this urgency to
put him on the field, especiallyin this situation here in New York and
there's two guys in front of him. He doesn't need to even sniff the
field. He can he can weara sweat on the sidelines the entire year

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and no one will even care.So that and rather to me, he
just looks like a guy that Imean, he's undersized, he goes down
easy, he's got a great armtalent, and he I think he's a
guy that knows how to impress,But I don't get the vibe from him
that he knows how to lead afootball team to victory and make others around

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him better. And I remember watchingthe QB one documentary on him on Netflix
when he was in high school,and he was the top flight recruit.
And I'm not going to hold howhe was in high school against him.
I wasn't the most impressive kid inhigh school either, and I'm sure anyone
listening I wouldn't want anyone to say, hey, Dave, when you were

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seventeen, you acted this way.But you can see back then and the
way these kids are brought up now, especially with the amount of attention he
got. To me, it soundslike he knows how to impress more than
he knows how to lead. Andto me, that matters a lot.
At quarterback. The talent's there,but the size is not. And Joe
Milton, to me across the board, is this more talented, more upside?

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I have got my fingers crossed it. Somehow, by the grace of
God, in a miracle, JoeMilton ends up on the Giants because I
do think he is in transition.Yeah, his situation will be fun to
follow, yep. And it's theright situation for him to come into,
like you were alluding to. Sowe'll see moving on to wide receiver,

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going at a couple of Day twopairings to start us off, and then
we'll work into some of the Daythree guys. Kean Coleman, who I'm
really high on if you miss outon the odonsday neighbors, Harrison Thomas,
the rest of these first round guys. Coleman, somebody top of the second.
I don't know if you have tomove up for him or if you

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could say Pat and same thing withXavier ly Get. You know, a
guy who could sneak into the firstround, go to the top of the
second, kind of anything in between, different body tie, different skill sets.
But you know, as far astop of Day two goes, I
think there are two guys that arefirmly entrenched. So who would you rather

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have? Coleman early Get. KeonColeman would be my pick. There a
pretty easy decision as well. I'veLeget as one of a Day three type
receiver. Keon Coleman. I knowsome people got a little freaked out by
the four six forty. I didn'tgo into the draft or go into the
combine thinking he was a Blazer.I've never viewed him a guy that's gonna
take over the top, take offthe top of the secondary. He's a

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possession guy that has elite ability incontested situations and what he can do,
and he's still kind of raw.Like this guy was a college basketball player
at Michigan State that played football.Now he's just a football player. And
to see that the amount of progressthat he made from Michigan State into one

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season in Florida State, that tellsme you can get him on that at
the right spot of the progression curveright now. Example, if you went
back and played at Florida State nextyear, I bet he's ad no doubt
first round pick next year. He'sat kind of where Brian Thomas is this
year, like top fifteen, toptwenty's. That's where I view Coleman.
And in regard to the four sixforty he hit, he was running as

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fast as anyone according to the GPStracking data at the combine. You know,
there's game speed, there's football speedand time speed. And again Coleman's
not gonna come in and change yourDP game with speed, but he can
be what Giants had in a Monitumor where just like a really solid number
two that's gonna occasionally play like anumber one because of his unique skill set

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and background. I have not seena consistent reel of somebody high pointing catches
yep as much as Kean Coleman.I mean, it's absurd. Every catch
this guy makes that's contested, heis always high pointing the ball. And
that is from the basketball background,Like you're saying, yep, Bud,
It's just something that is ingrained inin my eyes because I just haven't seen

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it out of any prospect in recentmemory. So and he's he's got some
He's got some yak ability too,like he I mean, he was a
returner for them. You know,this isn't just a big possession receiver.
He's got some nimbleness to him.And that again, basketball players they specialize
in how to twist and turn theirbodies in tight spaces. That's what they
do and at that shows up onthe football field. So there's this a

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lot to like about his upside.Kean Coleman yep. Uh. So Makonki
and pearsall two pretty popular names aswell top of the second. You know,
both names have been attractive and alot of mock drafts and everything like
that. Which would you rather haveout of those two? I haven't Conki
grated higher. But for the Giants, right, I think the fit is

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better with Pearsall. I mean they'rethey're right there. I mean they're one
point away from each other on mywide receiver stack. So Pearsaw I think
has gives them a little bit moreof that versatility and yard after catch size,
you know. But Konki is moreI think he'll be a slot only
at the next level, and Ithink he could run the fire route tree.
I think he'll make big plays.But Piersoll I think fits in better

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as a pure prospect. I justthink McConkie is just an automatic, no
doubt gonna get open getting catched.Most has a great feel for the defense,
both pre and post catch. Youknow. He fits in perfectly with
what the Patriots had in Danny Amandolaand Wes Welker and Julian Elman. It
wasn't the talent, it was thecombination of being with the right quarterback the

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right scheme and then just growing alevel of confidence in terms of what his
actual role was. Example, ifyou put a Welker or an element on
a different team with a different quarterback. I don't think we know who these
guys are, you know. Ithink they kind of just kind of disappear
into the background like a lot ofthese small slot receivers do. Where mcconkee,
if he gets hooked up. Inmy mock draft, I have him

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going to Kansas City, and that'sthe exact kind of situation where I see
him just catching one hundred balls ayear. Yeah, and you know,
he's not better than everyone else inthe league, but he got put in
the right and he's someone that cantruly maximize a good situation where the Giants
they don't have a quarterback situation rightnow. And Pierce, all to me,
is the kind of guy that youknow, once you figure that out,

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then you could find his role andhe'll he'll thrive in that role.
So there's a little bit more versatilityand size to him. Yeah, some
of these are going to be toughermatchups than others that we want to challenge
you with obviously here, but Ithink that's a good example of you know,
Maconkie could certainly excel, but PierceAll might be a betefit. Two
guys I really like more projected asRound three prospects as Walker and Javon Baker.

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Who would you rather have out ofthose two? I'm a Javon Baker
guy. Started off at Alabama,just couldn't get on the field because the
amount of first round talent that theyhad in that room. There was a
little bit of off field maturity issues, nothing serious, nothing that's going to
affect the grade right now. ButI just I think he got put in
his doghouse, the Nick Saban doghouse. That's a hard one to get out
of it, especially when you're surroundedby so much first round talent. And

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he goes to Central Florida, leadsto the Big twelve and receiving year after
year. Sorry in both seasons thathe was there with I would call it
less than stellar quarterback play. AndI noticed it right away with him,
how high quality of a route runnerhe was and what he can do also
in traffic down the field, contestedsituations. He was right up there in

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the NCAA national lead with the amountof plays down the field that he was
able to make it. He's nota big dude. I just think that
his skill set. He can playevery receiver position. Not a blazer,
but he does play quick and fastand notice it. At the senior ball
I saw in person his ability toseparate was as good as anyone. Also
that week, tes Walker just couldnot finish. I mean, the guy's

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got great size and speed and hecan get over the top, but he
just doesn't finish at a high enoughlevel consistently. Yeah, they're both quality
prospects. I agree with the Bakerseems a little bit more refined and as
higher upside. But I think TessWalker bailed Drake may out of a lot
of situations of underthrown balls. Ifyou go back and watch that tape,

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so you know, it's it's toughwhen they can't perform in mobile when the
stage is a little bit you know, higher, and the lights are a
little bit brighter, that's normally anindication there. But I think both those
guys will be successful at the nextlevel. So moving on, Corley versus
Wilson, who would you rather haveout of those two? So it's Corley

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or Wilson. Roman Wilson. I'massuming, right, yep, Roman,
Yeah, I'm a big Roman guy, so I'm gonna go Roman Wilson over
him. Corley does. I likehim after the catch a bit more,
but I think there's a lot ofunknown with him. I think I had
a stat it's it's in my reportfrom our lads, but I think over
fifty percent of his catches were behindthe line of scrimmage. So to me,
he played more running back than widereceiver. He can run rouse.

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He had a great Pro Day,so I'm not questioning his ability. He
was impressive at the Senior Bowls well. But Roman Wilson is a guy that
popped off the screen to me intwenty twenty two, and I was just
looking forward to watching him play allyear. He has like that he would
fit in with well. Ohio Statehas had a wide receiver in recent years,
Chris Olovet, Garrett Wilson, notMarvin Harrison, but ATGUKA, who's
gonna be coming out next year.Just a really refined, pro ready inside

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outside threat, gets open catches everything. He's explosive in short areas. Just
another kind of security blanket type receiverthat I trust a lot where clearly to
me. If he's drafted in theright slot, I'm okay with it,
But I don't think you can getas much out of him versus Tony Wise,
and there are just more questions aroundwhat he'll do in a real NFL
offense. Yeah, I've been surprisedwith Corley's name catapulting in the Day two

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I think he's more of a Daythree guy, but a lot of people
seem to be in love with himfor whatever reason. But I would agree
with you on Wilson. There soa couple of Washington guys, Polk versus
McMillan. Who would you rather have. I'm a McMillan guy. McMillan was
the guy in Washington offense before Romdondaycame to thing and Jayn Polk kind of
came out. He's suffered a coupleof injuries and that is where Polk I

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think actually my bible to stand out. I think his frame is going to
be able to handle the NFL.You know, and I know you guys
like you like size of it moreat wide receiver. I think Poke is
a guy that he's built very well. He plays strong, he plays hard,
But I think McMillan has more naturalreceiver in him, better ball skills,
much better route runner, and hemeasured in a little bit bigger than

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I thought he would at the combinebecause some of my game notes on him,
I was I wrote size with aquestion mark. Next tie was like,
man, I don't know how bigthis dude plays. I was expecting
something at least ten pounds latter.He's got thirty two inch arms. He
ran a four to four seven greatat Jody Times, great, great explosion
numbers. I'm actually thinking that theascent of Romudunze actually took some wind out

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of this kid's sale, and someone'sgoing to get a really good value.
And this happens a lot b JonRobinson with at Texas. You know,
very few people knew about Roshawn Johnsonbecause you didn't get to see him play
that much. Now, he hada really solid rookie year in Chicago.
I think he's gonna be a bigpart of that offense moving forward. So
I have a kind of a similarkind of vibe as McMillan here that because

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of o'dun's they really broke out andcredibly. So he is a top ten
pick in this class. McMillan's couldfly under the radar a little bit.
He's got good tape, good production, great tools. So this is one
that you you were right. Ilove big body wide receivers. But if
there is a guy who I likeon the smaller side this year, it's

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Malik Washington. And you know he'sjust he's also as far as the little
guys go, he's thick through rap. I think he's better. I mean,
everybody loves to make the Tyreek Hillcomparisons with the little guys, and
none of them are ever as builtas Tyreek is. But Malik is built.
So I will give him the benefitof doubt there. Yep. So

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I've got him versus Brendan Rice.Who would you rather have? I mean,
I'm a huge Malik Washington guy,So let's know, I figure this
is gonna be a tough one foryou. Yeah, this is a tough
one because they're different receivers too.Like Brendan Rice. Part of what I
like about Brendan Rice is the sizeof the toughness, the competitiveness. The
lineage is like answer to me,like, I think it matters a little

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bit, But I don't get Idon't care that much that he's Jerry Rice's
son, But gone to my head, I'm going to Malik Washington because I
think he's more than a slot.I really do. And I'm glad that
you brought up Tyr Hill's name whenI when I compare the two, no
One to me is Tyreek Hill.There's just nothing like him. But there
the name comes up a few differenttimes because of his frame. Now he's

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five eight one ninety three. Helooks like a running back. He's yoked
up, he's explosive, his jumpsare through the roof. He could He's
a he plays to a sub fourfour. He's a downfield threat. He's
a slot threats the yard after catchthreat. I mean this sounds like Tyre
kill, you know. And ifhe gets paired up with the right offense,
that's part of Tyreek Hill's success,Guys. It's he got paired up

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with Mike McDaniel before that Andy Reid, two of the best offensive mines to
the game's ever seen. So youknow, that's what If Malik Washington gets
into a similar situation like that,I think the production won't be the same,
but or the impact, but Ithink it could be in that same
same section. I'm a big BrendanRice guy. I'm a big Bloodlines guy,

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so uh, the fact that heis Jerry Rice's so I think there's
got to be something there. Imean, you get brought up under him,
all the coaching you're getting from himon the side, I think that
just it adds up to me.But I that was an incredibly difficult comparison
for me because I like both guysso much. But hey, if you
have to decide between the two,like if the Giants are sitting on round

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four and they haven't taken Rechiever yet, you know it's I'll be happy with
either, you know. I thinkanother interesting question in regard to these receivers,
who do I pick? It's arewe are we talking about the Giants?
Because the Giants, to me,they need a certain profile. You
know. They have They have wanDale Robinson, who I think can be
a really explosive yard after catch gadgetguy. They have the deep threat in

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Jaalen Hyatt. They have the misterdo it all but nothing great, you
know, jack of all trades.Master have on Darius Slayton. You know,
what does this team really need?I don't think they need another smaller
slot guy, like I think theyneed someone a little bit more physical with
size, and then yes, Iwould like to get more yard after catch
ability or at least a vertical threat, So that that's part of these questions
as well. It's it's not onlywho's the better players, who's the better

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fit for the current situation. Ithink it could go both ways though.
I mean, if you're looking atlike another small shifty receiver, I think
I feel like they go after thosesmall shifty guys because they can create space
and get open, and if you'vehad another one into the mix, then
you know they're only going to beable to cover so many of them.
So as much as I love yeah, exactly, so like as much as

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I love the big body guys,I don't know if they're trending in that
direction as much as I would lovethem to. And that would be my
preference to have that primary X bigbody lob it up to Keon Coleman and
he's gonna come down with it romadude, like you know, like that
would be my preference. But Iquestion if they're trending in that direction or
if they just want consistent speed,agility, get open mismatch YadA, YadA,

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YadA, which is where Malik Washingtonwould fit in. But we'll see
come this weekend for sure. Yep. All right, moving on, let's
hit some running backs real quick sincethat's a hot button topic with the departure
of Saquan Yep, quorum versus right, who would you rather have? Oooh
tough one? So I have.I have like five or six of these

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running backs with the same grade,but I did stack them, and I
think I'm going like korm in thatsituation. Even though I love the big
playability at Jayden Wright, I don'tthink he's as natural as Korum, and
I don't think we saw the bestversion of Korma twenty twenty three coming off
the injury, even though it's stillfine and he honestly he's played really well
down the stretch, and I thinkthat's you always like to get these running
backs of a year plus from abig injury, they like he had at

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twenty twenty two to really evaluate theirmovement traits. And if you want go
back and watch some of his twentytwenty two tape, it's he's more explosive
and he's quicker than you think.I think sometimes people look at his size
and his short, choppy steps andyou say, hey, he can't be
a big play guy. But andyou know, my initial stance on Korn

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was he didn't do enough after contactbecause his numbers there are pretty low.
That they're like really low. Attwo hundred and sixty backs. I think
he was ranked two hundred and fortytwo in average yards after contact per rush.
But I did a little bit moredeep diving on that, and that
had to do. That was aresult of he had more short yardage carries
than everyone by a wide margin.So obviously the yard after catch there is

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going to kind of sorry, theyard after contact number there on average is
going to be less. So Itrust Korm, especially in an offense where
Devin Singletary appears to be the pastcatching space friendly guy. Blake Krum to
me, might not look like aBrandon Jacob's short yardage guy, but I
think he can have the same amountof success because of how strong, quick,

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how much vision he has, andthese guys, I like, these
guys I could disappear behind the tacklesand offensive line sometimes it's hard to find
them sometimes, And you know he'sgot something like that that Emmett Smith vibe
to him, he'll he'll hide andthen all of a sudden he's exploding through
increase. Yeah, it'll be interestingto see if they make an addition to
the running back room and what kindof flavor they're looking for there. Because

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I agree we could definitely use abig body guy. We haven't had that
in quite some time. But onthe next one, Lloyd versus Estime,
who would you rather have another goodone there? I'm gonna go Marshawn Lloyd
because I think he's a little bitmore explosive. Uh, he can do
a little bit more on his ownwhere estimate. I think he can do

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a lot after contact, he canbreak tackles. He would be a great
short yardage back, and there isa value for that in this league.
But if I'm drafting a running that'sgoing to try and replace some of the
production that they Giants had at SaguonBarkley, I one a guy that I
can trust can do more on hisown. I'm not as high on marshaw
On as some others are, butthere's no denying that he's two hundred and
twenty pounds, he's twitchy, he'syoked up, he's fast and he can

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break off the big run. Soif I had you put a gun to
my head, I like both theseguys. I'm going with Marshall Lloyd.
I'm a big Marshall on Lloyd guy. I think he's ideal for what the
NFL is looking for today. Nextone. Two guys that kind of get
talked about a little bit here andthere, but not getting as much love
as some of the others. We'vecome through, Shipley versus Braylan Allen.

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Who would you rather have? I'mgoing to go with Braylan Allen and just
kind of bank on the rare blendof tools that he does have but we
don't. We did see it fortwo years, his first two years as
a seventeen and eighteen year old atWisconsin under a more NFL traditional running attack.
We saw really quality tape that gotus excited about him being a first

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or second around picked down the road, new offense, more spread attack came
out, came to Wisconsin at twentytwenty three, and he struggled and he
fumbled a lot, and he doesn'trun beyond his pads a lot. So
I think I'm banking on him atsome point showing more of what he saw
in that pro style offense in twentytwenty one and twenty twenty two, even

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though Shipley probably immediately gives you ahigher floor feeling because Braylen Allen, he
did. You know, he lookslike Tarzan, plays like Jane in some
situations where you just don't see himrun over guys the way a guy this
big and fast should and you haveto ask yourself, is there a is
he soft? Is there a fear? Is there an injury that we don't
know about? Because he did helooked different early in his career and maybe

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that was the situation around him whereShipley, I don't think he can get
to the ceiling that Braylen Allen can, but I do think immediately he'll probably
offer a little bit more. I'ma huge Branlan Allen guy, and I
don't know why he doesn't get aton of hype. I don't feel like
anybody has covered Braylan Allen at allthis year from what I've seen on Twitter,
and just like conversations people are having, running back's been a hop on

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issue, but Braylen Allen just hisname doesn't come up. Man, you're
talking about a guy who's like sixone ken bang the gong. I think
with running backs in particular, Imean, nil is one thing, and
it's great, but you got tosave some trade on the tires for the
NFL if that's your ultimate goal,right, So there is sort of the
scary aspect of like Brandon Jacobs goingdown for like every ankle tackle because he's

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taken so many hits to the lowerhalf. And is you know, are
we at that point with him oris he just trying to save himself so
he can actually have a successful NFLcareer? You knows. Yeah, It's
funny. Sometimes from the comfort ofmy living room couch, I can say
he should be running tougher. ButI'm like, you know what, if
that was my son, I probablywould say, Okay, get paid man.
So yeah, save yourself a littlebit, you know. Yeah,

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yeah, but it remains to beseen. It's a question mark two smaller
but tough guys versus Gore. Whowould you rather have. I'm a huge,
fatal guy. I like him alot. I got to dive in
to who he is off the fielda little bit more than some of these
other guys just on base. Somesources I have and it's I think this

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kid is going to be a nodoubt good player at the next level.
I'm not gonna call him a star, but the name Josh Jacobs has come
up a lot when I'm looking atsome of his metrics, when I'm looking
at some of his tape, howhe runs, how he plays, how
he works. In the offseason.The Giants are going to need to add
to this room at some point.I don't care if it's free agency or

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undrafted, freegency or in the draft. I want a guy that I can
really rely on that's going to comein and work his butt off and do
some of the dirty work. Andvital is kind of that guy. So
I have like that, kind oflike that round four target on him that
if the Giants ignored the position tillthen you know, it might wake up
some Eric Gray too, because Ifelt the same way about him last year,
and this will be a good opportunityfor him twenty twenty four to see

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what he what he can bring tothe table. One more on the running
back stack. Just trying to beconscious of time here, but I know
these are two guys that you reallylike. Girndo versus Tracy who would you
rather have Tracy, because I'm intrigued. You no former wide receiver at Iowa
and an offense that just completely dieddown. After his first year there,
he was the second leading receiver behindAmir Smith Marsette. That's how long ago

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he was the receiver back, areceiving weapon back then. And goes to
Purdue, he's still the receiver.They move him to running back for a
year, and you could see inthe way he runs, I mean,
you could tell he doesn't know howto play running back yet. But then
you're watching in produce at the levelhe's producing. Then I watched him at
East West Shrine and I said,and then he goes out and blows up
the workout. I'm like, there'sa lot of check marks happening here that

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I think some teams might overlook becauseyou don't have a ton of available tape.
And this would be the year totake a chance at running back for
the joint. You really have nothingto lose. You got rid of Saquon
Barkley. You know, Devin Singletary'sa one or two year rental. This
would be the year to be like, yo, let's let's go after some
guy. That might either Corendo who'sgot a sub four to four with good
side, or Trace he was newto the position. You know, he
can catch the ball, so that'sjust an element to his game that a

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lot of these guys cannot offer.You know, I'm a big I like
the idea of taking a chance onTracy. So let's chat tight end since
that's another hot button issue with DarrenWaller and everything playing out there. Who
knows, but could be a situationwhere they try to address tight end.
I think it's as pressing of aneed, but even still, let's chat

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through him Sanat versus Johnson. Whowould you rather have. I'm a huge
snack guy, fell in love withhis story, former hockey player, a
walk on plays all over the field, Really impressed with him and how well
he high points the football in traffic. Better athlete than you think. THEO

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Johnson has these ceiling beyond brock Bowers. I would even say you could say
he has a similar ceiling to brockBowers. But there's there's an awkwardness to
some of his movement, you know. So so Ben's if I had to
between Ben Snott and THEO Johnson,I'm going to go to not but I
want to go on record saying ifJohnson hits the ceiling, he could be
the best tight end in this class. Stover versus Wiley Wiley. I like

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Jared Wiley. Met him at theSenior Bowl. I've been watching him for
two years. He was a formerquarterback in high school. Started off at
Texas, hurts his back and thenalmost retired because of just you know,
some other off field issues. Goesto TCU and just tore it up,
you know, other than Quenton Johnsonlast year. I thought he was their
top receiving threat since transferring to TCU. Not the most physical guy, but

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he is six six, two fiftyfive. He can make things after the
happen after the catch. He's agreat long strider. You know, you
just have to know what you're gettingwith both these guys. I mean,
Stover is like your chew glass runblocking. You know, we'll make occasionally
make that play up the scene forwarddefender, you know, likes to get
his hands dirty, where Wiley ismore of like the finesse, big play

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threat that adds a weapon to thepassing game that is really hard to gain
playing ground against. Because he's sixtysix two fifty can run and jump with
really soft hands. I mean thatimmediately to me is like who is that?
You know where? I think Stoveris gonna be in the league for
ten years, but special teamer,backup, tight end, quality blocker.
He'll make some things happen underneath.But Wiley gives me the higher ceiling,

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one more insight end, then we'regonna move into the trenches. All versus
Barner. What's the sweets I'm gonnago. I'm gonna go. So I
like all because of the upside,but his medical his medical risk scares me.

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Uh. He had a serious batsorry neck injury that needed surgery.
And then this past year I waswatching the game live when he tore up
his knee. It was a brutalhit. I was actually surprised he was
even standing at the combine this year. And his game is similar to Noah
font is going to be based onexplosion speed, getting up to see and

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making things happen after the catch,and if he even loses some of that,
there isn't much you can do withthem. So that the safe side
of me is going to say Barnerand just say, hey, we have
a solid number two and number threetight end here that can make some things
happen with his hands, but reallyhe's a quality blocker. He can line
up in a couple different spots,and I kind of know what I'm getting
out of him, where Eric Hallis a risk to me and the Giants.

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They need an answer at tight end, and I don't think. I
think all just kind of adds tothe cloudiness of that situation into my favorite
position group, the offensive lineman.We are obviously not done there and we
need some help. It's probably goingto be a Day two, Day three
pick, hopefully a couple Coleman versusPoony. Who would you rather have?

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Wait, it was Coleman versus DominicPooney? Oh okay, okay, I'm
going Coleman there. I haven't gottenbehind Poony, so I'm reading my report
on Coleman right now. I justwanted to give something new about him.
He was banged up in twenty twentythree. I don't know if everyone knows
that he played through some significant lowerbody injuries, and my tape grade on

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him was better in twenty twenty two. But what I like about him is
that he can play four spots onthe line, and I know they tried
that with Poony two. You know, the Senior Bowl likes loves to sell
their guys and playing center and playingguard. That guy, to me is
a guard only at the next level, where I think Coleman can play tackle
if he needs to. I thinkhe's better at guard. But he's definitely

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has the length. He's got greatlength, he's got good footwork, and
for a big twelve lineman, alot of these guys don't come out NFL
ready from a power strength perspective.He showed me at the Senior Bowl he
can anchor, so that just gaveme even better feeling about him being a
pretty early player at guard at thenext level. But at the very least,
he's the guy that everyone needs atsome point in the NFL season,

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and it's a sixth line that canplay inside and outside. Those guys are
almost as valuable as your number.You know, you're a fifth starter,
you're worst starting offensive lineman. Iwould put this kind of guy in that
kind of tier of saying, Hey, he's my number six. He'll come
in when an injury pops up,and I'm gonna feel really good about it.
Hayes versus bb BB, I likeBB just because uh well so wait

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Christian Haynes from Connecticut, Connecticut,Yep, so BB is if you're gonna
so what makes this difficult sometimes isare we talking round two for both?
Are you talking round two for Haynesbecause that's where you're gonna have to grab
him, or round three slash roundfour for BB? And if that's the
question, If that's the question,I'm going with BB because of a position,

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versatility, b road greater mentality,and C he'll be a coaching fan
favorite. You know this guy's gonnacome into work if I watch interviews with
these guys when I when I'm scoutingthem, I like to see how they
project themselves before sorry, after games, before games, after losses, after
wins. And BB to me,and I've done this a long time where

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I think there is some merit toit, where like this guy's going to
be a contributor at the next level. He's never going to be a good
one. He's never going to bea star right where Christian Haynes has that
upside of being a star guard.He's a very talented, very athletic kid.
But when I remember when the Giantswere winning Super Bowls, it wasn't
talented offensive lineman. It was aguys that played really close knit cohesion,

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versatile, blue collar, let's getthe let's get the job done. BB
is a guy that fits in withthat mentality. I feel like, So
if you can get him in roundthree, maybe even in round four because
his measurables or he's got pretty shortarms and some teams just don't want to
deal with that, you get himdown four, I would rather take that
than Haynes in round two. Yeah. I think with a lot of these
offensive lineman speculation if they're going inthe second, the third, the fourth,

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I mean really just going to dependon the team's board, Right BB.
I've seen him as high as asecond and I've seen him as low
as the fourth, and the samewith a lot of these guys, you
know, So it's objective is interms of where you think they're gonna go
one way or the other. ButI agree with you there here's another tough
one. Bordelini versus Limmer. Bordelinireally impressed me in the pre draft process.

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So that's a on the field that'ssenior Bowl, and then at the
combine, I mean, if you'regoing to grade him as a center.
His his quickness, agility, jumpswere as good as as any player that
we've ever seen since Jason Kelsey cameout. And I like the fact that
he played guard at a high level. I like the fact that he played
center at a high level. Limberto me, has a little bit more

(42:43):
size, a little more juice,a little more power. But I feel
more consistent and I like the versatilityof Bordelini a little bit more. I
know Limber can play guard and centeras well, but I think Bordelini plays
that at a higher level, sothat that's that would be My vote is
Borderlin either, but another tough call. Yeah, I love Borderlining. Another

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short arm guy. But yeah,a lot of short, warm guys in
this class, so that that isgoing to weigh a little bit as this
process gets a little further into intodrafts weekend. I think as the draft
gets deeper into the weekend, youstart going after tools a little bit more
than just quality tape. Yep.McCormick versus Van Prant, tough one.

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I was a little late. I'McCormick. You know, he started getting
a lot of pub at the Shrinegame, and I didn't love it.
I didn't. I didn't love whathe was putting on tape. I thought
he was a little stiff, hewas playing a little high. And I
don't really care that much that hedominated lower level college football. I mean,
that's kind of like a prerequisite ifyou're gonna be considered a top hundred
pick coming from from that lower levelwhere Van Prant. Sometimes you get caught

(43:47):
up and a Van Priant type playerssaying, oh, he played at Georgia,
a really good team. He mustbe a stud, you know.
So these guys to me are kindof in the similar tier I'm gonna look
at I think Formick I have slightlygraded higher because of his athletic tools.
He had a huge workout. Imean he surprised me at the combine.
It is one of the best we'veever seen. And then you say,

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all right, he's actually putting togetheras he started playing against better competition at
the Shrine week, and that matters, right. These guys all are about
to go from college to the NFL. They're going, you know, from
paying against boys to men, andhow you respond. We talked about this
with the quarterbacks. That's adversity.In my eyes. We are making things

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tougher for you. How do yourespond? Mason McCormick has already proven that
he could take that on and doit at a high level. So based
on tools, based on what hedid at Shrine, I would go McCormick
in that situation. If you askedme six months ago, I probably would
have said Van Pram. Yeah.I think Van Prim's getting overlooked by a
lot of folks coming out of asuccessful program. I mean, he's like,

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what three to five pounds lighter thanlike Bordolini and Limmos, you know,
So it'll be interesting to see howCentric does Joe Zones from Texas versus
Rosengarten. I have I like rosenGarden, but I will say I have
liked Jones for a long time,and I just thought that every time I
watch Jones it was the same story. I'm like, dude, this guy

(45:14):
is massive, He's hard to getaround, his hands are incredibly heavy.
When he locks you up, it'sover. But every game, every week,
no matter who he was playing upagainst, there was always a few
really ugly, off balance losses.And I've started to massage my offensive line
evaluation, even though it's a positionthat I've always been really comfortably evaluating.

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And I've had probably more success evaluatingoffensive line talent than any other position since
I started doing this professionally. TheEvan Neil what happened there has has really
made me put more weight into howbalanced these guys move, and that is
the biggest red flag to Christian Jones. He is a good player. I

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think he'll be in the league along time. I do think he can
start, but his balance issues arethey're going to cause problems against NFL pass
rushers, where Roseen Garden doesn't alwaysmake it look great, but he doesn't
get beat. He knows how tore anchor, he knows how to recover.
Every offensive lineman and football gets beat, every single one of them.
But some of them do not knowhow to recover after they lose, after

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they lose that initial step or theinitial hand placement. It's impossible to always
be successful initially against NFL pass rushers, and a guy like Rosengarden has he's
actually showing something like David baktiari abilityto re anchor and readjust his hands.
I think someone's gonna get a bargainfor him, and I think he's got
some inside out versatility lasting on him. He was a blindside protector. You

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know, I think some people forgetabout that, where he was Panics's blindside
guy for two years. Yes,he played right tackle, but he can
play left. I even think he'sgot some guard in him as well.
Yeah, Jones got the chicken legsand it scares the shit out of me.
Yep, it does. Yeah,it's it's a bad combination to not
have huge base but also not balanced. That's that's that's it's gonna scare me

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a little bit at the next level. Yeah, sliperhere, you're sloped to
say the least. All right,we'll do one more offensive line, then
will rapid fire some defenders since we'recoming up on time. Cool Zinner versus
Norzad. I know you're a bignorse ad guy. Yeah, and I'm
not a big Zenter guy compared tothe public. I'm a norse ad guy
because he's played all the I mean, he's going to be a center guard
at the next level. He hasplayed tackle at a much lower level college

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football. Another guy that really kindof popped on my radar at shrine week.
Zenter to me, I think partof what my distaste for him is
I still have a fourth round gradeon him. It's not like I don't
like him, but you know,I think he was a guy like like
what some did with Van Pran lastyear is like a good program. Joe
More offensive line, Joe Mood Awardwinning offensive line. These guys must all

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be studs. But to me,there aren't many studs that are coming out
of this Michigan offensive line. Theyjust played really well together as a cohesive
unit, and I just saw alot of pad level issues, adjustment,
athletic ability shoes. He's on thefreaklist. Bruce Felderman the freaklist because he
can test out incredibly well. ButI don't see that carrying over to the

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NFL. I think there's just alot of awkward movement to his game where
nerves add to me, you know, some of his best tapes against some
of his best competition. That alwaysmatters a lot to me. I weigh
that a lot because I don't getto watch every game of every player,
so I try to watch the gamesagainst the toughest competition. I thought his
best performance end at the Shrine Gamewas when he was matched up against guys
are gonna be playing on Sundays nextyear. So moving over to the defensive

(48:31):
line, Fisk versus Aurora Row agood one because I'm actually looking at both
these guys for round two, eventhough they're they're different style, but they
do both kind of project to thatthree technique. I'm gonna go with Fisk
here, a little bit a riskthere because Fisk is a risk right short

(48:51):
arms and he's kind of like ahome run hitter in baseball where it's like
it's all or nothing with him andwhen he when he's on, like when
he was on at the the yearagainst Louisville in that Bowl game, I
mean, holy cal he looked.He looked unblockable, And you know that
always catches my attention. Where aRoro is more of a guy where I
think is going to be just likeyour Dalvin Thomlinson, clock in, clock

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out, automatic every week, andyou know, so I think Fis is
gonna be more of it. Ifyou want to take a swing for the
fence and give yourself a potential bigtime playmaker, that's the guy. But
if you want safety Barry Cofield KeithHamilton type, go with Ruke Mike Hall
versus Chris Jaggins another tough one anothergood one. I'm gonna say they're right

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next to each other. I'm goingto Michael Hall here because I just I
like the get off, I likethe length. I like guys that are
a little shorter than normal, butthey have the length of someone that's two
three inches taller. I think it'sa great setup. That's what made Aaron
Donald successfully partially. And Hall isone of the best athletes you're ever gonna
find for an interior pass rusher,so not the not the greatest against the

(49:57):
run. I think Jenkins is saferthere, but I think Hall gives you
a little more options against the pass. So and Andre Sweat versus Jackson McKinley,
yep. Even though Sweat has somecharacter issues maturity issues that popped up
recently just a couple of weeks ago, he also had these same issues early
in his career. That's why youreally didn't hear much of him early on.

(50:20):
So again, you're gonna have tomake sure that you're picking him in
the right spot. But this guy'stape is dominant, and he was dominant
the Senior Bowl again, and Idon't care how much he weyts. If
anything, I want him to weighthree sixty and just get him on the
field for ten to fifteen snaps ofgame because I think he can be a
true difference maker. And honestly,dude, it'd just be fun to watch
him against next to Dexter Lawrence.It would be so fun. I love

(50:43):
it. It would be insane.Kick kick deckx out. Make him a
three attack. He'd be fine atit. Put sweat at the nose.
McKinley Jackson, though, I thinkis kind of under the radar. I
like McKinley Jackson quite a bit goodpass us ability for guy out size better
get off to he does have betterget off yep, agreed. All right,
So let's jump over to cornerback realquick since that's another hot button topic

(51:08):
for the Giants and we are pressedfor time. Here, your boy TJ
Tampa versus Kamari Lassiter. Who wouldyou rather have? Tampa? I think
he plays faster, he plays morephysical, Lasser a little bit more spirited.
Again Georgia defense, I think thatthat can over rate inflated guy's public
perception. But the tape on Tampato me is just a little bit more

(51:31):
impressive. But again, guys thatare pretty close on the stack to me,
Phillips versus Melton, Who would yourather have Melton? I think Melton's
a stud. I think this guy'sa borderline first round there that's going to
be there round two. There's avery smallest of guys that I'm looking at
round two for the Giants that areabove Melton. H Philips has been getting

(51:53):
a ton of love. He hasbeen, he has been. I'm a
little shaky on him being anything morethan a slot though, than nickel,
which is fine. I mean,honestly, the Giants c nickel. The
nichol is a starting position in footballnow. But if I had a choice
between a good nickel and a goodoutside guy, I'm going with the outside
guy. And I think Melton canplay the nickel as well, a little

(52:14):
bit more physical, more willing tackler, better playmaker, better at coming down
at the action. So he's justmore twitched up, so you know,
good players. But I'm going withMelton there because I think he can play
outside and inside. Two of myfavorites at the position, Cam Hart and
Kyrie Jackson. Who would you ratherhave cam Hart? Is? I trust

(52:34):
him more? I trust that he'syou knows Jackson's story is as unique as
you're gonna find. I mean,this dude was out of football for years,
and you know, he really hasone good year of tape. He
has really one year of college football, if you really want to break it
down, one out of seven yearssince this kid's been in high school.
Where Caim Hart, I think justhe's always been there. He's a little
bit more professional, better playmaker.Three fourst fumbles past year and they're all

(53:00):
if you watch them like, theyare skillful. He's one of those guys
that he'll do at the next level. He'll create players for the defense.
And you know, Jackson's got thetools that I think are a little bit
more attractive, but they're not anythingstandout. I mean, Heart is a
really good athlete as well. Sothese are the two of the bigger corners
in the class. I'm going withthe one that I trust more off the
field, and that's going to becam Hart Decameron or Richardson versus Pritchett.

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Who would you rather have first,Pritchett Pritchett. Yep, yeah, I'm
going Pritchett. I'm really high onPritchett. I'veen highing him since last summer.
He actually didn't meet my expectations.I actually had to bump them down.
I had a first round greade onhim. Come to the year,
he ended up more of a Daytwo type. I think most have him
Day three. Richardson's gonna end upbeing a Day three. He's kind of
like the guy that, hey,we didn't get one of our big boys.

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You know, he's going to beour backup option in round four,
round five. The tools are great, but he got burned against Lshue bad
and that's what he's gonna see atthe next I just don't think he has
the reaction speed. I know hehas the long speed. I don't think
he has the reaction speed to beanything more than like a Cover two type
corner where Pritchett has much better feel. He's got better ball skills, he's
got a better ability to turn andrun. He just plays lighter and faster,

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and you know, these guys playeda lot of common opponents, and
I just think Pritchett's tape is better. Really digging at the bottom of the
Day three barrel at the cornerback position. Dwight mcglothern versus Marcellus Dial, who
would you rather have? I'm goingto roll the dice of Marcellus dial there
better better speed, better size,better tackling, and mcglotherin plays the game

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a little bit smarter. You cantell that he's got better route anticipation.
Sometimes I think that gets a littleoverblown, a little overrated, because the
NFL is so different than college,so I don't really want to put too
much into that. So I thinkI'm in the minority here. But I
like Diab because I think he's gota bit more upside from a physical perspective.
And once he gets into the NFLwith the new rules, different hash

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marks, I think that's where thetalent starts to take over a little bit
more. One safety pairing that Iwant to shake on quick for you wrap
up, because I am curious onwho you'd rather have here, Proctor versus
Watts. Watts is going to bemaking the transition from corner to safety,
but his tools are are ridiculous,and I kind of like the fact that

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he played corner, and if you'regonna ask me, the kind of like
what the Giants city last year inthe sixth round is take a corner from
old domin Indias. He's got tools, you know, and Trey Hawkins.
You know, Josh Proctor is thekind of guy that he'll be on special
teams. He'll be you'll feel,okay, not great if he comes in
because someone got hurt. Where Wattsis, Like, I think there's something

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to chew off there. I thinkthere's something that like you put him on
the back side of your depth charte, maybe even practice squad for half a
year or full year, and yousee, all right, how well does
he respond to being moved to themiddle of the field. We might have
something big here, and it givesyou options in certain looks to play some
man coverage. And he's the kindof guy that I think is can really
man up and against these athletic tightends that are really tough to game plan

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against. And I think Watts hasthat skill set, tool set combo that
Proctor just won't ever have. Ithink Proctor is a solid prospect that you
can put in the depth chart,put on special teams. But Watson,
I think can give you a littlebit more. I'm gonna sneak one defensive
end pairing in real quick before weit Miles Cole versus Cedric Johnson. Who
would you rather have Cedric Johnson.I think his body is more set up

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for the NFL just from a thicknessperspective. He's got easier bend where Miles
Cole to me is just he's atrack He's a big track star that's trying
to play football. Cedric Johnson isbetter with his hands, He's feisty,
he can defend the run. Youknow, I watched a ton of Miles
cold beause I wanted to like him. You know, he's got rare length
and he's got rare explosion and writethat combo right there, like that kind

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of gets you excited when you're talkingabout a pass rusher. But Cedric Johnson,
he's no sloush. Athletically, hegraded out very well, but I
just think he's a lot further alongfrom a development perspective. And you know,
Cole there's just not going to bea lot of time for him to
develop. You know. I meanit's I forget who said this recently,

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but the NFL is not a developmentalleague. You know that the NFL needs
a development league. And I thinkthat both these guys have an upside that
you're going to try to reach.But Cole Is is just going to be
starting a few ladders, a fewruns in the ladder underneath Johnson, and
the ceiling is pretty similar. Wellside. We know you're crazy busy.
I know we just ran through regardletof names. We could have gone through

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one hundred more if we probably couldhave had. But really appreciate you making
the time man, particularly on draftweek such a busy time with all the
things that you've been doing, makingsome time for the show here, really
appreciate it. No problem, man, thanks for having me on, and
I'm sure we'll talk again down theroad, but you know, we'll definitely
have to kind of bounce some ideasoff each other in terms of what the
Giants end up doing at the draftweekend. I'll be curious what your thoughts

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are. Yeah, absolutely, man, I'm definitely looking forward to it all
playing out come this Thursday, Fridayand Saturday. But appreciate all of our
listeners for tuning in and we'll catchyou all on the next Scouts on our podcast.