174 - Trampled Underfoot Podcast

Things that turn 100 years old this year. You won't believe it but it's true! This topic sends us off in many interesting, entertaining, directions.
Think of technology advances in the past century and the things that have come and gone. You know, those items we never thought would go away, but have. And those gadgets that we thought could not get any better, but have. There's a lot to ponder and discuss, and all of it is great fun as we examine the 100 year theme!
So kick back and enjoy this episode of the Trampled Underfoot Podcast, with your hosts, Mark Lindsay and Eloy Escagedo. Check it out!

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Episode Transcript

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You are about to be trampled underfoot. Things that are turning one hundred years
old this year. Something that wegot to remember is because I'm used to
it. When I think a hundredyears old, I think something in the
eighteen hundreds. No, No,this is stuff that is that came out
in nineteen twenty two. Like theBBC British Broadcasting Company is a hundred years

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old this year. It's hard tobelieve in our lifetime radio stations turn a
hundred years old. We think aboutthe technology, technology that we have.
I know, in my lifetime,TV was still pretty new. You know.
I was born in sixty one andit was you know, less than

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ten maybe fifteen years old. Yeah, so it was still a relatively new
invention. But to think that thereare radio stations that are a hundred years
old that are broadcasting still now today. Yeah. So any of these you
have a comment on, just stopme, interrupt me. But if you

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don't, I'll just keep going.The car Jaguar started a hundred years ago.
I had no idea it was thatold of a company. I remember
the commercials in the eighties, UhJaguar Um. I don't know that.

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I can't remember the details of howthe but I know that they had commercials
of the Jaguar and it was supposedto be a sign of luxury and well
to do and all that. Yes, style and sophistication. Yeah, exactly,
I remember. I remember that.For our folks up north. I

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don't know if Greg the snow Crasheris going to drop in today or not
for our folks up north. Canadiantire is a hundred years old this year.
It started out in Hamilton. Ithink that's Ontario. I maybe wrong.
I'm not sure, but I don'tknow. It's it's some strange,

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strange stuff in here. The blenderwas invented in nineteen twenty two by the
Arnold Electric Company. Electric appliances area hundred years old in our lifetime.

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That's strange, man, it's strange. The radiolarmsaw was invented a hundred years
ago by a guy named Raymond Duwald, Yes, the Dwalt Tool Company,
tool Company. Yeah, he calledit the Dwalt wonder Worker. Well,

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now you can't find him. Alot of things came around, I mean,
would be a hundred and something yearsold due to the fact that you
know, it all started in thatera where just electricity and everything became widespread
and and and all sorts of things. We you know, you in sixty

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one, yeah, and me andseventy five in the long scheme of things
people looking especially when like with medoing my genealogy, when you look at
the tree and you see a sixtyone as an example, and then you
see a seventy five in the greatscheme of the of the tree, you

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don't think of the person. Imean, you understand that the sixty one
came before the person born in seventyfive. But when you look at the
tree, you all I'm as youdo it a lot, you automatically say,
oh, this is it. It'sone generation own. But they're they
knew each other. They're in thegroup of people that that surrounded each other,

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and you categorize it in blocks.And when you get back, I've
gotten to the point where I seeum son, father, grandfather as a
block, yeah, and then onegeneration back as in great grandparent. Generally
speaking, I see it as you'recrossing the threshold of where that last last

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generation or recent generation may or maynot have been able to have access and
knowledge to that to that grand greatgrandparent. In many cases right, um,
And so I see them kind ofin blocks of three. I'm starting
to realize and then if you goabove it, Um, that's not accessible

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in real time to the people ofthat three block, the earlier things.
So yeah, I've noticed things getpassed on sort of in three, sometimes
in four sometimes and not just fatherand son, because of the shortness of
living the further back you go inmany cases, right, And so we

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fall within the block of technology thatwe would share a certain amount of.
Obviously I know we do, butI'm saying in the context of like history
and the wider we go in inin generational little blocks where everybody gets to
enjoy a certain time frame of things. And so we've experienced all these things
of the twentieth century together from thevantage point of a decade removed. How

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different was how different and far removedwere things from your growing up from sixty
one on to my seventy five growingup. So, in other words,
how different was the world in thesixties to the seven and these When it
comes to technology necessarily, there werea lot of innovations and inventions that have

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come and gone. You know,video tape came in in the late seventies.
But I can remember my father talkingabout this company over in Japan had
invented this machine that you could hookup to your TV set and it had

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a timer on it that and Iwas in like third grade, so we're
looking at what eight or nine yearsold, so that would have been sixty
nine seventy somewhere in there you're lookingat. It had a timer on it
and it would kick on record fora certain amount of time and then shut

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off and then you could play backand watch tell television. But it was
like, you know, ninety thousanddollars or something stupid like that, because
it took up a whole wall,because we were still using vacuum tubes.
You know, it wasn't all transistorand solid state. It was still vacuum

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tubes. In fact, just aboutevery store, like a Walmart today,
would have a big tube tester rightby the front door, and a cage
right there built into the bottom ofthe tube tester where you could bring a
bunch of tubes in and put themon, and it would check the tubes

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and tell you if they were goodor bad. And when you found a
bad tube, you know, youread the number off the tube and the
clerk would come over and get itout of the cage, and you paid
for it, went home, putit back in your TV, and off
you went. Yeah, but whenthe solid state and transistor came along,
those things eventually went away. Andnow I think you'd be hard pressed to

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find one. Yeah, I haveto make a special order. I'm sure
there's people that dabble in in thingsthat are of that sort of like now
pass for the general public due totechnology advances. But um, you could
still get obviously, but you're you'renineteen sixties person. If you were to

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place them automatically in the nineteen seventies, would see differences, but they wouldn't
be like taking a night from theMiddle Ages and placing them in, you
know, it would be more oflike So it's like kind of like if

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they took you and I back twentyyears. Yeah, twenty years being the
year two thousand, how much differentwould we feel that the world is around
us? I mean in every waythere's many differences, but just generally speaking,
functionality and access to I just justgeneral stuff. There was everything that

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we have now basically, but itis twenty years. I don't know if
I'm making sense, but like,no, no, you're right, it
was really and a lot of thathappened between the sixties and seventies too.
There was a lot of existing technologywas refined and made better or the big

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they called it the silicon explosion.It was. It went from vacuum tube
to the integrated circuit and the chipinstead of the vacuum tube and you know,
miles and miles of wire. Sothe television back then, of course

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had a big um you know,cathode ray tube, and then when the
LCD came along, and then LEDand then liquid crystal of all this other
stuff, then plasma screen and whathave you. Now we have that refinement.
It was along the same lines.We went from rotary dial telephones,

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some people on party lines. Ican remember when my grandparents were on a
party line. Then they had theirown dedicated line. Then we went from
rotary dial phones to touchtone phones,but it was still a landline. And
eventually, yeah, and so itwas that progression there. It used to

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be you had two choices when youwent to get a phone. You had
the phone company, and they wereregional. They had different names. Wherever
you were Bell South and we hadNorthwest, Bell up here. But you
basically went to the phone company andyou wanted to hook up service. You

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had a couple of choices. Youcould have a wall phone or a phone
that sat on a desk or table. You could have the slim line phone,
or you could have the standard telephonewith the handpiece. And you had
two colors. You had black andivory. That was it. Well long

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about the early seventies they decided tobreak away from that, and you could
buy a phone and plug it intoThey ran the phone lines into these four
pronged outlets, and you had thisbig round plug with four prongs on it.

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You plugged it in a certain wayand it would work. And then
the sky was the limit. Imean, you could have any color you
want, any style you want.You want an old candlestick phone, you
want one that's me mouse standing they'reholding the receiver. You could have that.
I mean, it's just whatever youwanted to pay for. So it
was incremental things like that. Itwas still the same phone system, but

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they got out of restricting you towhat we want to give you. So
broadly, a person plucked out ofthe sixties and put in the seventies.
That's a ten year span. Yeah, if we likened it to us living
back in the year two thousand,we're in twenty two now. If you

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pluck someone from the year two thousandand like then and put them smack dab
here now, putting aside headline newsand and such, just generalized functionality of
how that person could operate within thisworld, it would be, in my

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opinion, virtually non problematic. Uwe lived in that like, that's part
of our timeline. But the advancesfrom two thous the year two thousand to
now there are many in small ways, like you mentioned, increments, So
it happens as such, But Idon't know that it would be so mind

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bending for a person. It maybe in certain aspect, but generally speaking,
I don't think that a person fromthe two thousands, unless there were
much older even then, they'd stillget the gist because they've had the nineties
and the eighties and earlier. SoI don't know. So how far away
do you think that that sort ofexperiment would occur, that you pluck someone

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from one era to other where theywould see like whoa. How many decades
would have to pass? It dependson what you're talking about. If you're
talking about technology twenty to twenty fiveyears. But then again, the PC,
the personal computer that everybody had athome, that didn't really take off

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until about the mid nineties, whenthe Internet went public and was no longer
Department of Defense only. I mean, there were computers out there, but
you really had to be a geekor a nerd to own a computer.
Why would you want that thing?Well, because look at what it could

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do. Yeah, a big deal. But the minute you could send an
email to somebody, or get intoa chat room and chat with people in
real time and send pictures back andforth, that was something different entirely.
And then the computer was just thetool you needed to do that. But

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before that, before the Internet,you know, it was there to play
games and that's about it. Iremember this was in the like maybe two
thousand and one. A friend umsitting down before we had to go out.
She sat down at her desk totype a email and I was like,

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Okay, we gotta we're gonna go, right, yeah, but I
just gotta write this this email.And I said to her, well,
you're writing, why don't you justphone the person and just get it done
like that? Why are we sittingdown, and she sat down within her
computer. And remember I grew upwith my dad always having a computer,
but I saw it as something likeI didn't even think like. And I

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grew up in school with computers,as we had a computer class that taught
us the basics, and the computerswere like these Apple computer type things.
Yeah, where it's like you draggeda little thing and there's just it's just
a basic thing. And so Iand I never paid attention because really,
the that we've talked about it,it was a limited functionality and usefulness um

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for the average person. Um.But she sat and did that, and
I said, well, why don'tyou just go and this is like around
two thousand or you just go aheadand call the person and get it over
with. I mean, wouldn't thatbe quick? Why are you using this?
In my mind at the time,why are you sitting using this writing
and by the way letters are writtenand you mail them. In my mind

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at the time, that's how muchimportance I put to this thing. And
she's sitting by her computer doing thisand sending it off. So it was
to me, like, why areyou You've got this contraption you paid for
to do something that you could doby writing, putting it in the mail,
and you've and you've you've done thesame thing, except you don't have
this gadget in the way. Inmy mind at the time, although I

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understood it, so the public atlarge may have had. There were a
few factions people that were already incorporatingit. You know, even though it's
it's a little bit more on theon the on the slant towards um um
what would you call it um somethingnovel but not necessarily general, generally practical.

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Some people might find practicality in it, and then the rest of the
public work they knew it existed,but it's like, yeah, this with
all these other tools that we have. And for most people, computers were
that way again until they could communicate, and once they could communicate with people
all over the place, didn't haveto be your friends and family, it

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could be anybody anywhere. Once thatit became personal, it truly became the
personal computer. It wasn't just forsitting down and playing a couple of games
on It suddenly was an expansion intothe world as as we know it today.

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And and it's that it's that waywith a lot of technological breakthroughs.
I mean, people will say,well, what is the Space program ever
done for us? Well, Ican give you one right off the top
of my head. The exploration ofquantum theory that made a lot of space
travel possible led directly. One ofthe side benefits of that led directly to

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the MRI machine that has saved countlesslives. If they hadn't a push their
knowledge of quantum theory, they wouldnever have explored the possibilities of quantum theory
which led somebody into magnetic imaging,and they would have just been happy with

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the X ray. Well, thex ray misses too much. So you
know, that's just one thing.Now, we rely totally on satellites.
So without the Space program, GPSwouldn't work. Half of our devices wouldn't
work. They wouldn't work nearly aswell. So there's a lot of benefits

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to a lot of this thing.But until it gets personal, folks,
just you know, yeah, well, okay, great, somebody invented at
this. Until you need that,then it becomes important. I liken it
to back then to when you gointo a store, maybe a kitchen type

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store, and there's all these littlekitchen type gadgets. Remember those egg I
guess dividers or slicers where you putthe egg hard boiled egg and you or
you run it through the thing.There had little contraptions to slice your egg
up. Well, you know itexists, but you look at it when
you're shopping, and you look atit and you say, that's a stupid

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gadget. I'm sure there's some peoplethat will use it. It's sort of
like that until there's such an importanceplaced on it that it incorporates into the
society at large. The egg slicerdivider thing is they're concurrent with with with
you in that era, but you'renot paying it any It didn't surface to

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the four um in for the societyat large. With a computer did that
by incorporating all sorts of tasks thatwe would do separately into And then the
phone is another step up in thatbecause most people use their phones to do
the stuff that we do on ouron our workstations. Yes I think I

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don't, but a lot of peoplewill do. The only raising I still
have a PC and don't use aphone or a tablet is because in my
hobbies, um, creating video andwhat have you, it's easier for me
to do on the computer and thecontrol software for the computer controlled machinery I

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use here in my hobby, ithas to have a computer to run it.
It can't be done on your phone. So that's the only reason I
still have a computer. That portabilityof the phone, which has taken over
from the PC and you know,be at the phone or the tablet or

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the mobile device. Let's just saythat has taken over the functionality that most
people had to buy a computer forbecause they're not hot and heavy into you
know, doing computer graphics or videoediting or running C and C equipment.
They just want to use it foremail. They want a camera, they

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want to be able to send pictures, they want to be able to text
and chat with their friends, andyou can do all that with the phone.
So there's there is still a marketfor the computer out there. It's
just not the general public anymore forthe most part. But you know that
two could change. We're going parallel. So if you think of the two

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thousands and the first decade of theycame out with, then they still have
all these things to one degree orthe other. But like let's say,
digital cameras Back then, you wouldhave your phone that was a phone separate.
I mean that was new technology too. You had your little cell phone
and they were small than Nokias andothers, and that was brand new,

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Like I bought my first personal phonein that era. Before that, if
you wanted something portable for the averageperson, at least in my mind,
maybe there were other people doing otherthings. They were there were um,
but to me that was a stepup before that. If I wanted something
where I can communicate or friends couldsend me information on the road in the
nineties, I had a beeper,huh, yeah, we had and the

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beeper they would they would, youknow, send you. You know,
you'd see this person called you andyou know you would stop at a page
phone to make the call. Orwhen you got home at least you knew
that you had a pending message froma friend or this day. And most
of the time it wasn't nothing,no big deals or yeah I just called
I just you know, yeah,there was no UM. But now just

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all these technologies ended up in inin the world of this, the PC
computer and this and that. Sothey would see people from the two thousands
that everything has has congealed into one, one or two devices. And I
don't know they would. I thinkit would. They would we back then

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placed here now would look at itas Wow, that's incredible. But I
don't think it would be so shocking. It would be more shocking even if
you went into the nineties. Itwould take some adapting, but not a
great It's not like it's impossible becausepeople in the nineties, people in the
eighties, in the seventies, thesixties, we're all also exposed to UM

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just themes in movies and so onand so forth. I mean, it's
not like we have alien preachers walkingaround um with beach balls and funny hats
for them to adapt to. Theyjust see humans today with more technology.
And I think that's something that peoplethroughout history, within the twentieth century could
sort of deal but you know,because they were sort of wrapped in a

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certain way, well to a point. But if you only have to look
at the popular culture of the timeto see what their predictions for the year
two thousand was going to be,like, you know, we're not all
walking around wearing my large suits withyou know, big steel rings around our
shoulder, blades around our shoulders,rather or around our necks, and we're

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not all walking around with space heldwhat's on. You know. There are
no flying cars yet, damn it, And that may be for the better
seeing how people drive on the ground. I don't know if I want some
people in the air and control ofthese vehicles. But a lot of what
they talked about has come to pass, but an equal amount has not.

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It was just fanciful. You know, we don't have a nuclear reactor in
our home, but there was atime in the nineteen fifties where they thought
that was a distinct possibility that wecould all each have a miniature nuclear reactor
powering our home and putting it intotelephone lines and electrical lines. Well they

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just went underground. So we don'thave all those lines, but not because
we have a nuclear reactor. Imean, there's all kinds of predictions from
the past have come true, butthere's an even number that hasn't. So
I think you would have to goback to like the early sixties, maybe

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up to like say sixty seven orsixty eight. If you were to take
somebody from that era and bring himin here and just drop them into twenty
twenty two, they wouldn't know whatthe hell was going on? Because a
lot has changed, we don't noticeit because we were alive for the change.
And it was a gradual transition,you know. I mean just in

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popular culture. You know, turningon the radio in your car, they
wouldn't know what the heck they werelistening to. Where did this stuff come
from? Well, it came fromthirty years of the evolution of music.
Yeah, you know, the MillsBrothers are long gone. My friend Lawrence
Woke is long gone. It's nowtime for whoever the new hot band is.

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So it in a lot of waysthey would be all right, and
in a lot of ways they wouldbe just lost big time. Yeah,
so okay, so they would.But it's not like a person from the
sixties. And we are kind ofpushing the limit because with the sixties,
because the closer we get to them, I guess early part of the twentieth

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century, because a person a person, even people from the Old West in
the in the eighteen seventies or let'ssay, eighteen eighties, eighteen nineties,
that transition transitioned into into the nineteenhundreds. Um, we're still we're still
talking really old world in this sortof sense where they really I mean,

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the toilet wasn't necessarily UM something.I mean they had outhouses and rural America.
I mean that that was something thatand across the world there were facilities.
But the question is just the technologicalaspect of it. People back then,
even the transitioning into the nineteen hundreds, which was still like um just

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just an older world, like withtechnology starting to spring in UM, they
still felt that I'm speaking like,not necessarily annoying one hundred percent, but
I would imagine that they had theirtrend like, uh, something lit up
by electricity UM as opposed to gas. UM. It's still light and they

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can sort of oh well, liketrains you'd see old and you see a
train next to people in those oldpictures. This was new technology UM.
And and they're standing these people thathad nothing uh in the way of technology
or standing next to incredible technology forthe time UM lived coexisted with each other,
and they just incorporated into their world. But to take those people UM

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into today's time frame, there's alot of difference. You don't have to
go that far back. I mean, my grandfather on my mom's side was
born in nineteen oh six, andso he was born and remembers the time
before flight, before electricity came topeople's homes, before radio, before television.

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Motion pictures were in their infancy.They weren't really any theaters around,
and you went to the quote unquoteNickelodeon to watch short subjects, and you
did that maybe once a year ifyou were lucky, because they were rural
folks, you know, they weren'tliving in the big city. He was

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a carpenter for most of his life. Just something as simple as stupid as
nails. He told me he wasin his twenties before he bought his first
pound of new nails. He hadnever bought nails until he was in his
twenties. You always, when youtook something apart, you straightened out the
nails and you reused him. Whywould you need to go buy nails.

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There's plenty of them over here inthe stack of wood. Dig them out,
you know, that kind of thing. I mean. But he died
in the nineteen nineties, so hewitnessed all of this stuff coming up.
You know. He witnessed both WorldWars, then Korea, then Vietnam.
He witnessed man walking on the moon, the invention of television, then the

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shift to color television and getting aphone in your house, and then the
shift from a party line to directline, then rotary dialed in touchdowne and
then cordless. I mean to himit was I don't know. He knew
about computers, and he knew thatcomputers were out there, but when he

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died, they were still in thatgizmo stage. They were for people who
played games and he who did business. They weren't in every house. Now,
given another ten years, he'd probablyhad one himself. He was never
afraid of technology. He was kindof filled with wonder as to what was

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going to be next. Yeah.I grew up with my grandfather living here
in this house where I'm at,and he was born in nineteen eleven,
and I was always he'd take meor what. We'd walk to the store,
we'd walk to the movie theater,to the we just I'd hang out
with him, you know, whenI wasn't hanging out with my friends and

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stuff. He'd take me to themovies and this and that and this was
well, my grandfather a person bornin nineteen eleven, and I and me
a person from the nineteen seventies.Interacting with your grandfather, and this is
a passing on of generational thoughts andideas and um, and the technology all

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around us was moving in a directionand so we're not that far removed in
a certain way from those eras.A lot of people haven't didn't meet their
grandparents that say, many people did. Many people met their great grandparents and
stuff. We're talking about people thatlived in a totally different world. I
think it's a it's an interesting,um thing to to keep in mind that

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that we're moving, you know,in in this timeline right, and um,
all this technology is increasing. Iwouldn't be would you be shocked if
you know, on TV on theinternet forget TV, um, even though
that's applicable too. But next yearyou saw, all right, and we're

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rolling out the brand new flying carsand stuff, and the government is preparing
the posts or the signals and it'sgonna work like this and there's a logic
to it and stuff. I mean, you'd be like, Wow, that's
gonna be cool. Maybe I don'tknow, I'll ask you, But would
you be so blown away that youcan't handle it? I would not,

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simply because people have experimented with itand it has been successful but it's basically
agreed that it's it's not for everybody, and the average person on the street
wouldn't be interested in it simply becausewell two things. Training you have to

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be trained to use it. It'snot like going down and getting a driver's
license. You have to be toget a pilot's license license, which is
what you need for one of these. It takes a lot of school,
so it's expensive. And number two, there's a lot of limits. There's

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you know, any number of limitsthat are put on air travel now because
you get two guys and uh twentythirty five Honda skyhook up there flying around,
interfering with commercial airliners and you knowsomebody would you know somebody would,

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yeah, but putting so you know, just my question is, so I
get it there, there's there's there'srisks and a lot of people that wouldn't
necessarily be But my question is wouldyou be if if if they sorted it
out like they sorted out now,I wouldn't be surprised, right because you
do have some I mean we haveled up to the possibility of that.

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Um, you wouldn't be, so, I mean, there's not we can't
think of all the things that mightexist, but um within our mind,
in the wilder corners of our mind, of of technology, UM, if
it were to manifest itself, UM, where it's incorporated into our society,

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whatever crazy notion in our minds.I don't think that we would be like,
oh, well, look that camecame to be. UM. I
don't think that we would be soblown like it wouldn't It wouldn't be difficult
for it to fit in our innerreasoning. UM, if it, if
it did manifest itself in real like, in our real life and stuff like
we have. We have all thissci fi and stuff that we've been exposed

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to where we've you know, anycrazy thing that we would think, um,
is not possible if it did happen, it's not. You know what
would freak me out though? Theteleporter in Star Trek if that, if
that would freak me out, Iwould not that would end time travel,

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that would We're talking about huge fantasticthings, yeah, but things that belong
in a fantasy. What would freakme out would be a cure for a
virus, because we've never cured avirus. You know, we can vaccinate

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against viruses and we can treat thesymptoms. But we have never come up
with a cure for a virus.We have cured bacterial diseases, and more
work is being done on that,and you know, billions of lives have
been saved because of it. Ifthey ever cure viruses, things like ebola

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are gone, things like you know, COVID are gone. So that would
be a freak out. But you'renot talking about the big shiny spectacular there.
You're talking about breakthroughs in medical scienceif they ever find it cure for
cancer, Katie bar the door lookout, you know. So I don't

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know that there is going to bethe big, flashy, shiny thing.
I don't know that that's going tobe the next big thing. I think
it's going to be steady advances inscience and technology that push limits, with
more people asking why the hell notlet's try, and figuring new ways to

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approach problems and what have you.I think that's how it's going to progress,
steady advances because the number of diseases, for instance, that were considered
uncurable twenty years ago that are beingcured today or treated today is staggering.

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Yeah, you know, and therewasn't any one, big, huge,
major announcement we have cured the commoncold on the national news. It was
a bunch of small, steady thingsin the background that are making some of
these diseases and conditions go away.And I think that's what it's going to
end up being, is a steadyprogression like that. Do you remember the

(38:23):
UM what was this guy's name,al Gore in the two thousands with the
global UM warming, which is whatit call back then UM. Today it's
UM climate change, climate change,UM. But do you remember the chart
that was a hockey puck in referenceto the climate and WHATNOTUM the other and

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I think that that hockey puck sortof that they called it that back then,
UM was an exact replica life.I'm not if not, if I'm
not mistaken, it was an exactreplica of human population. Because the other
day I saw I was looking athuman population, I was looking at stuff,
and UM they presented the the earliestlike humans, you know, back

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in in time and in a percentagechart, and you could see that UM
populations were increasing from a certain timeon as people double up and double up
and marry and marry and multiply andmultiply. But it stayed roughly due to
all these things you just mentioned withlike diseases and technology and stuff, lack

(39:37):
thereof danger and stuff. Just smallpopulation of people recorded and you see it
going and going, staggering, andthen you see but you see it increasing
and until the Black Plague, theBlack Death, and you see it it
arked like it was getting good,and then you see it plummet and then

(39:58):
it starts again. And you couldsee these these these rise and falls as
all. But the the the arcingup of human population starts roughly with the
industrial Revolution. And Greg and wehad a discussion about this months ago,
UM where I was like, Iwas thinking early or late eighteen hundreds,

(40:20):
and Greg had mentioned no, noin the seventeen hundreds, and to me,
I was like no, because Iwas thinking of heart like machinery,
like full on and stuff. Butthere was a beginning to it, um
and and I was corrected, UM, And I understand now the seventeen hundreds
was really the blow up. Sothe hockey puck starts at the seventeen hundreds
and just fricking escalates into that thathockey puck. It coincides with people doing

(40:45):
these great you know, engineering projectsand and just you know, just distribution
of items made um similar to anotherand scientific stuff. And so seventeen hundreds,
things really start to get cranking,and it's just hockey puck to the
population we have now. But um, prior to that, you were lucky

(41:08):
if you if you were were tosurvive into your A lot of people did
into their forties fifties, A lotof people, a lot of people and
even older as they do today,But a lot of people likewise were good.
They got into the thirties and forties. One and three babies died at

(41:29):
birth because they just you know,medicine was I don't know, leeches when
all else fails, go get someleeches, you know. Um. And
it wasn't understood that cleanliness was agood thing. It wasn't understood that there

(41:50):
was something called bacteria that would killyou, you know, So that was
a big thing as well. AnAseptic surgery became a thing, and that
saved countless lives because the number ofpeople who died as the result of a
medical procedure before that was staggering.Yeah, you know, um. And

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then there's also better sanitation. Wedon't have cholera outbreaks like we used to
you know, whole cities like NewYork City doesn't have a cholera outbreak every
other month that kills a few thousandpeople. So I mean, it's it's
little things like that that don't makethe news that I think are the normal

(42:39):
progression. You know. It's it'shard to say where the next big thing
is going to come from and whatit's going to be, and so I
hesitate to even try to predict anything. There's a there's people working offically on

(43:00):
all sorts of things. There wasthis one gentleman. There's a few of
them, there's many of them.But there was one guy back in the
nineties that was working on a functioningmodel for a time warp, a not
time warp, forgive me, aspace warp meaning writing meaning writing at the

(43:25):
weight at the speed of light,travel at the speed of light, which
is insanity um. And he haddone his studies and calculations, and so
there's other people working on that,and so in this one documentary they show
they don't get into it, intoit, but they show the model and

(43:46):
that they want to actually build one. They're they're they're in in the fantastical
stage. But they show this meshlike they show space and then they and
they you know, according to TomTime as opposed to Um, that the
gravity is basically a bending of spaceand time like a weight. Like if

(44:09):
you took a trampoline and you puta bowling ball in the middle of it,
UM, and the trampoline mesh isspace. UM, that ball sinks
that mesh, it expands it downand it becomes like like um, you
know, weighted it down. Andso that's what happens to space around objects,

(44:30):
depending on how big or small theyare. And then that that itself
is what constitutes gravity. UM.This is the theory that the ice um.
And so what they did was theyhave a ship and for some reason
the mechanism they have that mesh inspace and it's taking that and it's folding
that space in front of it inthe back of it. It's still the

(44:51):
theoretical, but they're they're putting thatspace ship there and it's using the space
around them to propel them. It'sweird, like the weird you know,
you'd have to be into that senseand know the details. But the point
is that people are working on thesethings concurrent now like currently with us and
as we're going along with our livesand who knows what the hell is possible

(45:15):
if something like that came to bethey said, hey, we can now
travel at the speed of light.Um, I would be shocked. Well,
yeah, I would be too,because that would be a major league
But would you that would be likehuge. Again, it's still in the

(45:35):
state of invention or theoretical and theworkings, but if it came to pass
to me, it would be myreality plus now space travel. Um,
I would be shocked. I'd belike whoa, But you know, like
what you've said in the past,how would that change my life? And

(45:58):
isn't that would changed profoundly? Well, um, in in the fact that
now there's this possibility that exists.Well, but at the time we would
just incorporated and say okay, onward. But something like that, how do
we know how it would change ourlives? It may we don't, then
it may not. I mean,we don't really tell because what else is

(46:22):
going to come out of that?And that's what I mean. Do you
have something like the MRI machine thatcame directly from exploration of quantum theory and
what kind of what what kind ofresearch and what kind of developments are going
to come out of this type ofresearch, this development of this. Give

(46:43):
me one second I heard of.I don't know if somebody's smashing something else.
Hold on, Oh oh, itsounds like the hot and tots are
at the gate. So I guesswe'll all just sit here and listen and
at the same time and see what'sgoing on live. It's his edit,

(47:06):
so maybe I'll shut up and givehim another long silence to find your door
is open. Sorry about that.I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave,

(47:28):
Okay, all things, everything's coolon the homestead there. Yeah,
when I hear a noise that's closeby, but it happened to be across
this Just everything is so quiet outhere. You know. It's a funny
thing, right that I don't necessarilylive in the most isolated rural um,
tucked away from from your place inthe world. But sometimes, for some

(47:53):
reason, it just works out thatin the mix of these thousands upon thousands
of people all around, everything isfreaking silent. Nobody's making a sound at
all. It's weird. Sometimes it'slike like just almost white noise. But

(48:16):
sometimes it's like that and it's justone thing. One person opens a door
and closes a door, or orput something in a trash can. It
reverberates so proud powerfully that it soundslike it's right next to you right now.
And so that's why I went out. But it's like, and when
I stepped out again, remember there'sstudents and university kids and families, and

(48:40):
the traffic traffic, well, it'sfreaking dead silent. Yeah, I know
what you mean. I five footout this wall. Right here next to
me is our driveway. Our nextdoor neighbor is moving and he drops something
the other day and I come flyingout of this chair and ran outside.

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I didn't know what the heck hadhappened, And you know, I burst
open the door and he spun aroundto look at me, and I looked
at everybody, okay, and he'slike, yeah, that's okay, he
says, I dropped the oh allright, okay, kaboom, And I
thought, what the hell is that? Because it sounded like it was out
in our driveway. Yeah, didsomebody you know, miss the brake pedal

(49:25):
and run into the back of ourcar or what you know? Well,
you see, And that's that's soif we were to transplant you over here,
you would put so because I couldso, I could picture that,
right, because when you're in amore calm area, um with less population,
although in reality, um, it'sit's a fair sized place where you

(49:47):
live, but um, um stillyou know a bit more wells yeah,
um, if you were to betransplanting here, I lived in the big
city, opening a door, rollinginto the ground, like catapulting to the

(50:07):
next what the hell's going on?No, no, no, I've lived
in big cities before. Believe me, I've lived in some of the biggest
So I'm not trying to I'm justsaying that if that set you off,
like you know this, and likeit set me off here now, and
I'm exactly but like there's so muchstimuli. I'm it's too much, dude.
It's it's how you know why Idon't live in any of those big

(50:29):
cities anymore. Now, you knowwhy. I'm I'm warm and comfy out
here. Excuse me, I'm warmand comfy out here in our little cul
de sac, and I just soonkeep it that way. You know,
I'm gonna mention this, um,but I'm gonna do it sort of um
disguising the name to protect the guiltyUM. So years years and years ago,

(50:53):
a person came to visit UM,not my family of a person came
to visit UM from Cuba. Butthey were very old. Very old is
relative, but they were probably intheir late seventies getting up there. That's

(51:15):
not a spring chicken by any stretchof the imagination. But this person came
to visit family, but they're soold. You know, some people are
fragile and others are strong at anygiven era of life. This person was
sort of not necessarily you know hewas, but yeah, came to visit

(51:37):
family. And coming from over thereto overhear, it's like traveling forward in
time from a frozen you could say. You know, they usually say it's
like being in the fifties over theretechnology in reference to the autumn, beiles

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and many things. But it's reallyeven worse than that. It's like living
in the early nineteen hundreds with aparallel universe of things that are modern they
have reference to, but they don'thave access to. Yeah, so it's
a very weird situation. Well,they the person came and UM, I

(52:23):
took them around with the family,their family UM, and we went to
visit this is that we went toa supermarket. Inconceivable just walking down the
aisles, you know, I meanthe guy was and there's so much stimuli
and the and the different things.Um, we took a drive. Okay,

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now we're gonna go here, andnow we're gonna go there, and
now we're gonna go here, andnow we're gonna in one of those.
We were traveling over a bridge headingtowards Miami Beach, the smaller bridge bridges.
There's there's various bridges that take youacross from the mainland to Miami Beach,
which is a strip um next toFlorida. It's part of Florida,

(53:07):
but whatever, it's connected by bridgesand you can take some that are are
are more um I guess qute ceor or you know, like more instead
of the huge ones the smaller ones. We went through one of the smaller
ones because it was a little bitmore scenic in a different way. And
so we are going over and stuffand in the middle of that bridge,

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I'm gonna vomit. There was toomuch stimuli. The person had to freaking
puke and they puked and puked andpuked because it was like taking someone so
I can picture um and that's aperson that has references to modern day stuff.
They don't have access to it.And in their visual field, they

(53:50):
don't have it um available to them. But they do know through newspapers and
it exists. Yeah, it exists, and it's it's it's current with life,
but they just don't have it's notincorporated into their living. And if
you expose someone to so much that'sliving literally they're living, You're it's like

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looking at someone back in the nineteenhundred. I mean, it could be
even worse than that. In someaspects, they're living back in the in
the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteenhundreds, and in other aspects it's just
concurring with us. A person likethat exposed to all this I saw it
was too much. The brain isbeing exposed to. And then there's the

(54:37):
fact that also within the psyche,well why don't we have all this?
And just it starts really messing withthe person. The person at his age,
Maybe a younger person could have processedit way better and probably wouldn't have
wanted to go back exactly exactly.You know, I mean, because how

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do you how do you leave that? How do you leave that? Once
you get it. I mean,it's an old, old, old cliche.
How how are you going to keepthem down on the farm once they've
seen you? Know you, yougot out, you're experiencing all of this.

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Why would you consider going back?What would be your motivation to make
you get back on the plane andgo back other than family? Yeah,
that would have to be the onlything, other than family, That's the
only thing. But it's very difficultto have limited to go back to less

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possibilities when you've been exposed to morepossibilities exactly, even something as simple as
a supermarket in in in North America. And by the way, these are
things that if you go to Mexico. I went, I visited Mexico,
um and we went into a supermarket. It was so weird. It was

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so everything was so Western, likeOld West, it felt like, and
then you had towns and it's justto me, it was such a weird
thing. And we went into asupermarket. They had supermarkets just like we
do, with their little proclivities andand and and different variations. Right,
but it's still aisles full of stuffwith their products and many of our products.

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But it's there. And it wasthe same way all over Europe.
Well here's the thing. Even thatis something you know that's known. Well
for those people in Cuba, theydon't know that they know it exists,
but being exposed to it or havingaccess to it is the thing in your

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current in your continual, continual life, in your your everyday life. So
um, so they're really all arein many ways even though they have they
do have access to certain things.Um, it's like being thrown back in
time. Um. And us youknow, so we are very very very
lucky in so many ways that wecan't even appreciate unless we really sit down

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to sort of and I would Iwould venture to say that the majority of
Americans the most simple. So thisone Cuban gentleman, um, I don't
even know if he's around anymore.I mean that's because it's been a while.
Um, he more than likely not. Um, the things that he
would was exposed to, he couldn'tapprove. He could see the value in

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it, but I don't know howmuch processing could happen, um all in
one you know smack, you knowthe momentum. But the typical average American,
the things that this guy would appreciate, or a younger guy coming over
and and from that world into thisum they would automatically start to appreciate.

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I think the typical American is soincorporated into our system that it's very difficult
to even recognize appreciation for air conditioningin your supermarket, HM, as an
example. Yeah, or even thefact that there is a supermarket. I

(58:22):
mean, we have so many optionsin so many choices. We don't even
acknowledge the fact that we'd have thoseoptions and those choices. Yeah. So
I don't know, man, Yeah, we are. We are very spoiled,
We are very comfortable, and weare very entitled. But you know

(58:45):
that's the American way. What canI say? Yea. At the same
time, I mean, but whatdo you expect people to do. You
can't have a novel reaction to everydaythings that are so abundant, No,
I mean, and that's true,that that really is the case. Sure,
we take the fact that there's athere's a full grocery store three miles

(59:06):
away, and we could get upin any hour of the day or night
and go down there and buy anythingour heart desires. Because we built that
society, you know, it's whereit's always been that way. Maybe they
weren't always open twenty four seven,but it's always been that way. Most

(59:29):
of us alive today have never hadto wonder where our next meal is coming
from. You know, I willtell you this though. I will tell
you this because you just mentioned twentyfour hour and whatnot. Four my until
this COVID thing these past two years, since the nineties, still about two

(59:52):
years ago, even crossing through allthe things we've crossed through, including nine
to eleven and such, and allthe from the nineties into and maybe earlier
I can't remember more than likely now, but sometime in the mid nineties or
late nineties, all the way upto just two years ago, we in
Miami, the greater Miami day youknow, metropolitan area, had the ability

(01:00:21):
to go at any hour of night, day, night to a multitude of
stores. Most people would do theirshopping during the day, but you had
this whole contingency of people due towork scheduling, or just the weirdos out
there, you know, the derangedsleeping habits me included in could do their

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shopping at two o'clock in the morningor later, or around the clock.
You would have in many cases aone to two hour from six am to
eight and then they'd open up againwhere they clean up or whatever. But
you could go around the clock,not to one location, many and this
was beingly Walmart. And now afterthe two years of the COVID thing,

(01:01:14):
we have not bad. It wasso useful and so I mean, I
loved it. You could literally yeah, and I didn't appreciate it at the
time, but if you wanted todo your shopping at and twitching hours,
you could. Oh yeah. Therewere many times two thousand and six,

(01:01:36):
two thousand and seven, two thousandand eight, Linda and I would go
grocery shopping at ten o'clock at night. And that wasn't at Walmart. We
didn't have a super Walmart with groceries. Our Walmart was basically all non foods.
That was at a grocery store thatwas open twenty four seven. So

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yeah, and we did and appreciateit at the time. You're absolutely right.
We did to a point. Weliked having the option. But being
the typical Americans we are, wecomplained that the deli counter wasn't open,
the bakery wasn't open. It's like, no, it's not open. It's
eleven o'clock at night. Come inat a civilized hour and all that stuff

(01:02:20):
will be open, you know.So, yeah, there's a lot of
things that we would take. Idon't know that there's much of a choice
because when you have access to things, they're as normal as your arms and
legs. They're connected to you.You expect it. Why wouldn't you expect

(01:02:45):
it? And that's what I meanwhen I say we're also entitled, because
it's like, well, the situationyou're talking about, the twenty four seven
stories, you don't have that now, Well, why the hell not.
That's the one that's one of thegut checks. That's one of the initial
reactions though, well why the hellnot? Yeah? Oh yeah, Like

(01:03:06):
it's like it makes total sense tolike so, but I don't know all
the details, I guess, Butwhat I do know is there's enough people
in Miami and then some that aperson can have a twenty four hours store
open many and you get business.Yeah, you get business. Right.
So, but after the COVID thing, or during the COVID thing, they

(01:03:30):
locked it down and then after normalcycame back to or whatever that might be
called. Because we were returned tonormalcy much earlier than the rest of the
country. Um, there were parallelstates that likewise did but we were like
back in business like very very quickly. It has not, by any stretch

(01:03:52):
of the imagination that part of ithas not been uh corrected, so we
don't have that. But it wasso useful to be able to go where
most people aren't at your Walmart andgo in and freaking like no lines,
no, no pushing and elbowing Imean people, you know. And by

(01:04:15):
the way, that's another thing thatchanged. Before people were kind of ownering
um in certain ways when you wereshopping in this and that Now people at
least a little bit more give youmore space. I don't know how it's
gonna wants to get the cooties.So that's a welcomed aspect of all this
that, at least for people herein Miami that were kind of there's a

(01:04:39):
rudeness level here, it was tampeddown. I don't know how long it
will last, but I'm sure thateventually it'll just go away. Yeah.
Yeah, well, we traveled theworld. I will say one last thing
before we wrap this up. Wehave an aftershow where we'll talk a little

(01:05:01):
bit and answer questions, interact alittle bit. But I have one other
thing I did run across. Um. You know that there's this this whole
new thing called the metaverse. Um. Yeah, um, via Facebook and
and whatnot and all this, andI ran into this guy that or this
video where this guy spends I don'tknow how many hours in the metaphorse um.

(01:05:25):
And there's a few videos of thatbecause there's ways to get in in
different pockets. I don't know allthe details. But he lived in a
in a virtual reality for a coupleof um, for a stretch of time.
I don't remember the details of howmuch time. It was sufficient,
um so that it became nauseating.But um, he'd sleep with the crap

(01:05:45):
on his head and like just thewhole thing, and um what when when
he went in there, you takeon a persona and you could travel to
different places. You could go toEgypt, you could go to different plays,
and it's recreations of cities and townsand out of people's imaginations. Some
are are to scale and like they'rebuilding that world. You could buy and

(01:06:06):
sell and stuff in a virtual realitytype existence through your headset and whatnot.
And one of the first things hewent into this place and there were other
people there that are other people acrossthe world with headsets themselves in their particular
homes and places of residence that aredoing the same. And he would meet

(01:06:27):
with people from from different places andyou could interact with them. And you
know, there was this one guythat was a stormtrooper that he started talking
to and the stormtrooper guy was,hey, my name is so and so,
Hey, how are you doing?And this and that, and they
were interacting and they went to differentplaces and hey, you want to go
over to this place, Yeah,let's go. And but in one of
the things he's the stormtrooper guy saysthat, you know what, my batteries

(01:06:51):
are dying on my headset, andall of a sudden, his stormtrooper um
persona avatar just frozen in place andhe's he the guy doing the experiment,
is like, hey, dude,are you okay? Are you okay?
And he's frozen like that, andthey just collapses. They said, I

(01:07:14):
lost you. I lost He madefun of it, but he said,
I lost you. My friend isgone. My friend is gone. And
then a day or so later,his batteries were recharged and they found each
other again and they started talking.Well, um, long story short,
all this went, and he wentby and he said, hey, dude,
would you like to meet in reallife? Right? And yeah,

(01:07:38):
sure, because he's a famous YouTuberand one. So it ended up that
they met in real life, thesepeople that had met in UM virtual world.
Yeah, and you know, theywere just normal human beings obviously,
but UM, it was very weirdhow that occurred. And I in a
way, you never know what aperson with these avatars and stuff, like

(01:08:02):
what we're doing now. We're lookingat each other and we sure we get
the just in a very direct way. But if we were interacting in a
virtual world where I have an avatarand likewise you, it would be we
would not know many, many things. And so I see it as as
another future angle. Who knows howmany people would would take this on.

(01:08:25):
I just found it interesting. Ijust wanted to throw that out there.
Any any thoughts. There's a I'mtrying to remember what it's called. There's
something very similar to that. It'sbeen going on for a while. I
think it's called Second Life, butit's supposed to be completely different from this
metaverse that Zuckerberg is talking about making. Yeah, what have you? I

(01:08:47):
don't know? UM to me,that borderline's on video game and I'm just
not a gamer. Yeah no,because I know my personality, I know
the way I am. If Iever got into video games, that's all
I would ever want to do.And I don't need anything like that in
my life right now. So Imean, if that's the next big thing,

(01:09:12):
and if that's the new, brightand shiny thing that is coming down
the pike, I'm going to leaveit to the younger crowd and just say,
yeah, have fun. Yeah,I think it's one of the I
think instead of there being the onenext thing, I think that we're now
and I think it's always been thatway that Yeah, we're living in a

(01:09:32):
situation where there's a multitude and it'sexponential multitude of next big things. So
I think that that's one. Idon't know how many people and would incorporate
that into there. I'm sure it'sgoing to become a thing on its own.
Well, a number of them aren'tsuccessful, and a number of them

(01:09:57):
just aren't successful now because the technologyisn't there to support it. I mean,
you were talking about digital cameras earlier. They were invented in nineteen seventy
two. The problem was nobody sawany value in taking a picture on a
camera that you could only watch onyour TV screen. So it was invented

(01:10:19):
by Kodak. They put it onthe shelf and they didn't develop it any
further until it became possible to actuallyuse digital photography as more than just a
novelty. Yeah, there's a storythat Bill Gates was talking about a small

(01:10:45):
device that you could carry around inyour pocket. He called it the pocket
PC that would do everything the smartphonedoes now. But he never made the
connection to sell you their telephone service, so he rejected the idea. He
just thought, nah, this willnever go anywhere. And they had developed
it, but they shelved it.It just you know, they just didn't

(01:11:12):
think it was going to go anywhere. Steve Jobs came up with the It
was called the Apple Newton and itwas basically an iPad, but it was
about fifteen years too early, andit just wasn't It wasn't the right time.
It couldn't do half of the stuffthe iPad can do now. But

(01:11:35):
a lot of the technology came fromat least giving it a try, you
know, And the Newton didn't sellvery well at all. It was a
real dog people hated it. Thinkabout this in reference to this sort of
this virtual world, this metaverse andstuff in terms of this, and I'm

(01:12:00):
just thinking off the cuff, butputting that, holding that there for a
second. We're interacting right now throughthe stream Yard service, which is this
video service that we can stream ontwo different platforms and so on. And
we're using the service two as asas a conduit for our particular conversations and

(01:12:25):
conduit as a conduit of our particularconversations and so on. Whereas another person
might or another two people or threeor four might be talking about dinosaurs and
another one about comic books. Facebookis a vehicle for communication, and people

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on there you'll see like transformer forums, ancestry forums, and so they take
the technology and use it as avehicle for their particular interest. I could
foresee. So imagine like UM you'veseen in the past where Paul McCartney will
do a live Q and A onYouTube UM and UM people get to send

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in their their questions and he answersthem. And there's many variations of that
UM in different disciplines and stuff.I can easily see. Imagine if your
favorite artist, you know, Idon't know whatever artists um is holding tonight
in the metaverse, U, youcan visit a lecture, or you can
visit an intimate thing. You're notin front of the person in reality,

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but through this sort of tool,you're able to exist in that space in
the metaverse with that. You know, Carrot movie star singer, maybe they
There's so many things that and I'mjust turning off the cuff on those things
where it would be appealing to peoplethat would otherwise not right and they would

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gather more support. So I cansee this as as a as another vehicle
of technology with others the same here, the same here. I do see
it as another vehicle. But again, excuse me again, it's gonna come
back down to make it personal.When it becomes personal to you, then

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it has value. And when ithas value, you'll partake. If there
is no value for you, ifit's not personal to you, you won't.
So the market will decide who's gonnawin and who's gonna lose, and
whether this metaverse thing is a winneror not. The market's going to decide,

(01:14:47):
and we'll see, you know,we'll see what happens. Yeah,
So, but you're right about itnot being any one big, bright,
shiny thing. It's it's it.It's going to be a number of small
things that come all at once,and not all of them are going to

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