176 - Eclectic Variety

We start off the discussion on YouTube channels that react to Rock Music and how it's great to hear other people's points of view of songs we discovered decades ago. This leads to reminiscing on other related thoughts about music.
We then talk about communication, encounters with famous people, and friends we've met in real life after first meeting them online.
We then go on with an eclectic variety of fun topics. Be sure to check out this episode of
the Trampled Underfoot Podcast!

Episode Transcript

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You are about to be trampled underfoot. We'd like to welcome everyone to the
Trampled Underfoot podcast show, your host, Mark Lindsay and Eloi Escahdo we're back
at Julive. What's going on everyone, It's up, Mark oh Man,
just busy, busy, busy.We're having typical Oregon springtime weather again.

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I posted a video over on myFacebook page. It was eighty four degrees
last Thursday and it started snowing lastnight. I saw that. It was
just it's crazy. You know.Of course it's too warm. The snow
didn't stick. But now we're undera winter We were under a winter storm

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warning until about, yeah, aboutone o'clock this afternoon, and then they
lowered it down to a winter stormadvisory. But they still say forty chance
of thunderstorms. So if I disappear, that's what's going on. We lost
power because of a thunderstorm, soyou know, just be warned. I
guess it's crazy. How how theI mean it's already it was pleasant over

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the weekend because we're getting a littlebit of that residual from you guys,
um all across the rest of thecountry. Um. But um, today
it was pleasant, but it's stillhot compared to every other part of the
United States. To be honest withyou, I mean, yeah, well
you guys have the humidity thing,so it's just freaking hot. D Yeah.
Yeah, well, I I don'tknow. I don't hesitate to say

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I would trade you, but I'dsend you some of this forty six degrees
we have right now. I justwish it would have warm up a little
bit more than this. But hey, you know, it beats the alternative.
It's good to be alive. Umoh, I did see a channel
from across the channel that, Um, this is actually not what I had

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mentioned before. This was just somethingelse. But um, there's this young
lady somewhere in the middle of thecountry somewhere who knows where, Kansas,
Oklahom I don't know, or Arizona. I think it's that Arizona. Um.
And she's an opera and vocal teachertype girl, young lady, and

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um, she's got this whole reactionvideo thing kind of the thing that and
um she goes through all the heavymetal and rock bands and like just the
ausi osboards and all these people,and UM, I found it very I've
found I've watched quite a few ofher videos. Number One, she's really
an attractive lady. Um. Buther facial expressions UM and reaction to the

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music, and then her follow upcommentary on the music is very instructive,
UM incisive UM on on the techniquesthat are being used vocally and the music
and I and it's super interesting.She did one of Dio and whatnot,
so that I kind of done.Is this the charismatic voice? Okay?

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Yes, I've seen a few ofher videos. She kind of gets off
on a few tangents musically speaking ofgroups that I, you know, not
interested in. Her singers that I'mnot interested in. But she's done.
Yeah, she's done quite a bitof of very good videos. She's a

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vocal coach and comes at it fromthat angle, but she does understand arrangements
and everything else. And yeah,I've yeah, I've enjoyed several of her
videos. Yeah. Now there isanother woman. I don't know where she's
living, and I can't remember herfirst name, she says, but I

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can't remember. But her channel iscalled Soprano Notes and she's also an opera
singer. Okay, and I gotinto a rush phase. Oh a few
months back and she took the tuneLimelight by Rush and she broke it down.

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I mean, she's watching them performthis song live, and she broke
this whole thing down, from thetime signatures to their transitions from one time
signature to another, and how it'sgoing, how those transitions work, and

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the methods and techniques that they're usingeach of the vocalists and the bass,
and then over over to Alex onthe guitar and then back to the drums,
and it is the most complete breakdownof that song I have ever seen

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or heard in my life. Andif you just listen to that song,
it's just a few minutes long,but I mean, she really took a
deep dive into that tune and broughtout things that I would have never picked
up on. I heard when listeningto the tune, but I didn't know

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why they did it. And shegot in and explained, like one part
where Getty Lee all of a suddenon his basse just starts hammering with eight
notes, and she goes back inthe video to highlight that and then explains
what he's doing, why he's doingit, and then the transition where those

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eighth notes stop and you get backinto the flow of the song in how
he's building momentum to get you readyfor this crescendo that eventually does come,
and then back off to give youroom to breathe again. And I've never
seen a breakdown like that, andit was really fascinating. Yeah. I
kind of like that because you knowyou And by the way, Rush is

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a very technical and well, um, they create their songs really well.
Um very much so um. Independentof ones liking of the particular song or
not, they are created very well. They're enjoyable in my opinion, but
you know, people may differ withtheir liking of the band and whatnot,

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but you know, their actual styleand composition techniques are just incredible. But
yeah, I agree. I likethe breakdowns because they sort of like,
um, you get to look atit from a different lens. Yes,
And I like that. You know, there is something to be said about

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just listening to it and letting yourown imagination like run wild. But this
is good too, So I likethe fact. Well that's all I've ever
done. Because I'm not a musician. I was the more pedestrian listener.
I was more interested in the lyricalcontent and maybe an alternate meaning to lyrics,

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you know, but I never reallyI mean, obviously I listened to
the melody, and I listened tothis time signature and everything, but I
never really broke it down to figureout why they're doing this this way.
Yeah, why they didn't do itanother way? Because I've never been behind
the scenes when it comes to music. You know, I know what I

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like and I play what I like. But getting that technical, that technical
explanation made me hear things that Ihad never heard before, or made me
hear things in a different way.It's like that there's another channel out there
where he basically focuses on the Beatles, and it's called you can't unhear this

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man. He warns you. Hegets into a few things, and he
talks about it. He says,but here's a fair warning. Once you
hear this, you can't unhear it. Yeah, I've seen that, And
he is brought to light quite afew things. And I've been listening to
Beatles songs since i was born,you know, He's brought to light quite

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a few things that were just kindof tucked away in the background or I
heard but didn't know what I washearing. Yeah, you know that that
song Rain by the Beatles. Youget very to the very end, and
there just before they start fading out, and John Lennon is singing, there's

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a line that you can't understand andit just kind of sounds like gibberish,
and then he gets back into singingRain and they fade out. Turns out
what that is is when the raincomes, they run and hide their heads.

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Playing played backwards, So there arereally no words that you could say
that would mimic that sound because you'dhave to play that first line of the
tune backwards. Yeah, but nowthat I know that, it makes sense.
So, you know, very excitingstuff too. To hear all those

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little effects for the first time,maybe when it came out or when you
heard it for the first time,as opposed to now, I don't have
the same surprise when I hear abackwards guitar and all those neat things like
when you first when I first heardthem, they were so potent, and
but to see them in this manner, like you're saying through somebody else's you

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know, analysis, kind of givesyou that little second you know, breath
or second you know what do theycall it? Second flight or whatever second
win. You get that second oneand get to see it in a new
way or listen to in a newway. And I like that, so
yeah, well, yeah, tome, it kind of it gives me

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a new sense of excitement for thetune. I mean, I may have
heard I've heard rain probably, ohgosh, countless times in my life,
but until that part came along,I had no idea that that's what was
going on. I just thought maybeJohn Lennon was going off on some tangent.
But it was an engineered piece thatthey put in on purpose. It

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wasn't like something that they took from. You know. They blended a bassline
in from another session and somebody washollering in the background that was in another
song, but and they ended upusing that cut because it was the best

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one, and they played something overit to you didn't really hear or the
person hollering unless you listen for it. I don't remember which song it was,
but they're all kinds of weird,little hidden nuggets within the music that
kind of gives me, like Isaid, more excitement for that song and
makes me want to hear it moreand more and more often. Yeah,

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it's hard to. It's hard to. It's once you've had a good decade
or two or three or four ofa song. Um, it's hard to
recapture that that um magic and thatimpulse and not all the time. There's
songs that do it for me still, but there's they're they're far, they're

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they're far less than before. There'sa few select ones, and it's funny.
Um, some of the songs thatI would have completely trashed back in
the day just because they played whenI was around and never paid attention to.
It was like, you know,that's not heavy metal. Screw that.
Um. Now I have funness forthem when they pop up on the

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radio, and I'll find myself youknow, pumping up the jams is something
that back in the day would havebeen considered heresy. Yeah. Yeah,
Rush is a good example of that. I was never really into him during
their heyday. Yeah. I gotinto him much much, much later.

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And it was Tom Sawyer that mademe do that. You know, when
I actually listened to what was goingon in that song, I was like,
ohly coow, this is some goodstuff. This is this is spectacular
level stuff. Are you kidding me? And this is three guys. It's
like, it can't be just threepeople, but sure enough it is.

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And I kind of overdosed on him, but you know, because I mean
then you get into YYZ and Spiritor Radio. Spirit or Radio is an
excellent tune as well. But yeah, anyway, um no, Yeah,
they're a great band, there's noway around it. And it's just there's

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some incredibly magical, you know,moments in their songs that they're great.
They're great band. That's a goodexample. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
because you could easily pass it up. You could say, oh, that
sounds weird or whatever, and Idid for a few years, you know.
But my partner, oh gosh,we're going way back now. I
was like eighteen or nineteen years old, my partner at the time. I

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called him my partner. I mean, we were damned near inseparable. Bruce.
He was hot and heavy into Rush. But he was the one of
those guys who got mad when theyincorporated synthesizer. He wanted to go back
to the fly by Night days whenit was just drums, bass, guitar,
that's it. That was good Rush. What is the synthesizer garbage?

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You know, they're going pop onme and everything. No, they exploded,
dude, but I didn't really care. I you know, I was
into other stuff at the time,and I didn't really pay much attention to
him until you know, oh gosh, mid nine, mid to late nineties,
something like that. But what canyou say, No, good,

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good, good stuff to come acrossall this music that we did for the
first time. And I had atleast two decades of good stuff since the
fifties or three actually, of stuffthat I could dig back in and pull
from, and I did, andthat was good stuff, dude. Well

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that's one of the reasons I feltso hard down that rabbit hole of reaction
videos and reaction channels because I've beenlistening to this music all my life and
you can't experience it for the firsttime again, no, but I can

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live vicariously through other people who areexperiencing it for the first time. That's
right themselves. And to me,it's a lot of fun to hear somebody
discover the Doobie Brothers, or tohear somebody put on some credence and go,
dang, this is good. Youknow, I've heard all their music,

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you know, I was six yearsold, seven years old when my
dad brought home the first Credence album. And so I've been listening to this
my entire life just about and firstI have well not really anymore. At
first I had a hard time believing. You mean, you're twenty years old,

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you've never heard this before? Comeon, what are you living under
a rock? No, people havetheir own lives. They have different experiences,
and maybe they're off onto something else, you know, that's completely That's
a good point to to make.That that I'd like to expand on for
another reason than than I've been thinkingabout that. Uh, that that issue,

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um, and I have mentioned itbefore, but that to me my
understanding right now as far as Ican reach right now, Um, we
are literally living our own lives andthat's an that's a given. But um,
we're also it looks like where itseems that apart from living our own
lives, I've got just live.Decided to jump on my shit right now.

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I even I even cussed live.Well that was natural. Yeah,
now you're know why they call thembugs? Uh? Um In any event,
so uh, I almost let mesee if fucking backtrack, because that
stupid little creature I snuffed. It'sit's lights out though I can tell you

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that much. Um So, wealthough we live our own lives, uh
you know, but we do sharea lot of things, and we could
easily be fooled um into thinking thatwe um generally speaking, think within the

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same space uh from one another.And even worse than that, that even
though we're speaking the same language,like let's say us here right now,
UM, that the words within thatsame language that we're that we're utilizing that
tool, that language tool, thatwe're utilizing, that the words even though

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there's textbook dictionary meaning definitions to them, that we apply them equally and have
and that they have the same weightin your experience as they do in mind
or the same positive, neutral ornegative um you know, kind of patient

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to them as well. So I'vebeen thinking about this for a while now,
but since you brought up that littlething that we're um, I decided
to throw this out just for thehack of it. Um So, in
a very real way, even thoughmiraculously we're working it out and we're communicating
to a certain level, but knowin a certain way, we're also in

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certain ways within that we're also likealiens um, like visiting to to talk
to another person is kind of liketo talk to another alien world. There's
a lot of commonalities, but there'syou don't quite know what the next person.
Yeah, so yeah, yeah,you don't know their story and you

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know, in the context of music, you take a person who has grown
up been exposed to country music alltheir life and doesn't know ac DC from
ZZ Top. You play them musicthat we've grew up on and been hearing
for thirty forty fifty years. They'venever heard it before because they've never been

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exposed to it. But somehow weas the listener or the viewer, Well,
how could you not have heard this? Well? Quite easy, Yeah,
it's very easy if you are surroundedby nothing but what you take somebody
in Spain, they may or maynot have ever heard of any of the

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rock groups that we have listened tobecause it's not their style of music.
They just don't care. It's notthat it's not around or they don't have
access to it, it's just notwhat they're interested in. So it's quite
easy for people to go their wholelives and not have ever heard of these
groups, or ever heard of thismusic or what have you. Yeah,

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yeah, what we think is astandardized thing is probably from most people in
the world, you could say,um, just completely not in their view
so well, But not only that, you also have regional and cultural differences
in that there are some seriously kickass British bands we have never heard of

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because just for one reason or anotheranother, they never made it over here.
And the same with Australia or anyother English speaking country. There are
some seriously good bands out there.We have absolutely no idea who they are.
So if we could, could wecan we get those bands over and?
Could could we trade it? Couldwe trade back? Could we trade

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back our experience with the Rolling Stones? And and and and we'll just bring
some The Stones are here to stay. I mean, from the looks of
it, they're here to stay foreverbecause you know, yeah, yeah,
they go on and on and keepI know. Actually, um, Mick

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Jagger, I have told you.I don't know if you remember that,
but he did visit the place Iused to work out in the Everglades and
took an airboat tour. No,you never did tell me about this,
so um, and I wasn't therethat day. It was that I was
off, but my friend took himout on a private tour and what he
said. And by the way,um, a bunch of actors and musicians

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would always show up. Yeah,I mean, you know, throughout the
year, you'd get your private toursand whatnot. And so my friend's description
of mc jagger is that, firstof all, he had no idea who
the heck this person was. Allhe knew is that he came down walking
and he had these two tall modellike ladies on either side of him,

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and he was this tiny, frail, short guy with a huge brimmed sort
of like I don't even I can'tcall it a Panama hat, but it
was kind of like a one ofthose large brimmed um sort of like Caribbean
hats or or or going through thebush type. Hass, this is a

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funny thing, um. And hewas just gonna and this is your private
tour, the boss told him.So he took him out and it took
him a little while and he sawhim to the hat kind of and he
realized it was MC January, mum, and so he took him out on
tour. But he said that hehad just looking at him. You would
have no other than the fact thatthere was these two models next to them.

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You have no fricking idea, Itwouldn't even cross your mind. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, Idon't know what that would be like.
This is getting way off onto anothertangent here, but the life of
a celebrity, what it must belike to not be able to go anywhere

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without being recognized and have to resortto doing that, put on a big,
huge hat and cover yourself up andkind of keep your head down so
that people don't notice who you are, so you could live a normal life,
you know, because this guy justwanted to go on a boat ride
out and the get Everglades and wantedto see what millions of tourists have seen.
Yeah, you know every day.But he's got to go to those

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kind of extents to be able todo it. I don't know. Yeah.
Well, you know it's funny becauseI was oblivious, but I had
taken Sean Penn out for an everytour that you remember, I had said,
right, yes, I do rememberyou told me about that. Yeah.
Thinking back on it, well,I should have done certain things different.

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But right away, so that anglethat you're expressing about, you know,
animymity, um, that angle ofit, I just threw it out
the door. He came right upwith his also actress wife and two kids,

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and without even before me said hey, Sean. Yeah. And the
problem is this that it was thenatural thing for me to do, because
you see the guy and you knowwhat, Sean Penn and you just say
Sean. But the proper thing todo, and I knew it then.
To be honest with you, Isaid, oh, man, I can't
go back to yeah. So sir, I can't go back to none of

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that, because I had already openedthe gate on that. So I ruined
it that, you know, aspectof it. But the probable thing would
have been to address as sir andat least pretend yeah, because that part
of it has nothing to do withthe moment that is being had. He's

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paying for an airboat tour and hasnothing to do with um. Now I
did do that. It's funny.And by the way I kept referring to
when he'd ask a question, Ireferred to him to his name directly.
And it's not like there's something wrongwith it in intrinsically because it's his name,
but the fact that I know hisname because he's plastered all over the

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place and he's doing a vacation thing. And now even on vacation thing,
this savage, you know, becausebecause we're in the middle of nowhere.
I mean, everybody that goes there, they look at these airboat tour guides
and they're like, these people aresome wild animals. These people are savages
from from the swamps. These peoplehave never gone and seen electricity before.

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That's kind of the ambiance you getwhen you're out there that you give off
because just your environment, and soit's very weird. Um, I should
have done that, but out inCalifornia, So I went to a supermarket
and I didn't mention this before,but it kind of coral, and I

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did do that. I did actlike I didn't know the person. I
went up to a flower stand.I'm looking at the flowers, and right
next to me, a guy walksup and he's looking at the flowers.
I'm not paying attention. He says, Hey, excuse me, he says
to me, And I turned myhead and I'm looking straight dead in the
eye to Keith Keith Keith or Sutherlanddead smack eyeball to eyeball too. By

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the way, at that point intime, about twenty some odd years ago.
Um. I had already been afan of Keith since um, the
Lost Boys, since Young Guns.Like. The guy to me was like
a badass already. So I knewthe guy like on TV and the movies

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and whatnot. He's right dead smacklooking at me. I'm looking at him,
he says, so, and hegrabs one of the flowers. Do
I just grab these and pay himinside? And I'm looking at him and
he's waiting for an answer, andin my mind I'm saying, dude,

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dude, and I stopped up myself. I'm pretty proud of that moment.
I'm not too proud of. No, actually, I'm going to be very
honest with you at what I didafter, I'm not proud of. I'm
not proud of the Sean Penn thing. Necessarily. I wish I would have
controlled myself. Um. So hesays that he's waiting for my answer,

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Mark, and I'm like, inmy mind like it's calculates. I'm like,
oh shit, this guy. Andso I end up saying actually,
and I did it just like thatvery natural. I said, actually,
I'm not from around here, soI don't know. And he looked at
me back and he says, I'mnot from around here either. What do

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you do? What do you dowith that? I mean, you know,
what do you do with that?I mean, you know when he
said that, I was like,I was like, well, now we've
got past that. Tell me somestuff, man, come on. But
I didn't do that. I said, I walked away. But as I
walked away and he walked inside todo whatever, I was like, holy

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smoke. So you know what Idid. I turned around, walked back
into the supermarket and peeked along theaisle. I'm walking on the other aisle,
just to have one more look likea four year like, holy smokes.
I just I just I just meantether Sutherland and and and you know.
So it was a funny thing.It was a funny thing. Yeah.

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I've had occasional brushes with celebrities.Um, living in and around Reno.
You bump into people here and there. I mean they get some major
acts come through and play the casinosor play the local venues or the the
big concert venues or what have you. So, I mean, you know,

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there are celebrities here and there.But I guess my favorite stories have
come from people who were very wellacquainted with celebrities, like I've told you
about a good friend of my wifeand mine. Her first husband was a

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genuine by god rock star, andthe stories that she would tell about just
weird things, and how she wasnot of that world, but marrying him
and becoming a part of that world. She's like, you have absolutely no
idea what it's like for a southernCalifornia girl to suddenly end up over in

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England sleeping in a genuine castle.Yeah, and then get up in the
morning, come down in your youknow, in your robe and sitting on
your sofa is Robert Plant, MichaelCaine and Mick Jagger and your husband going,

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Oh, coffee's made, it's inthe kitchen. You know. She
says, you have absolutely no ideawhat it's like. How many times a
week your mind gets blown by beingaround that kind of a world. So
I don't know, it's it's butlistening to her. I could listen to
her tell stories all day long,you know it. That's a lot of

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fun because and and it's one ofthose things that's like, So you mean,
even being around all that, youget star struck. She goes,
Heck, yeah, she goes,I'm not a celebrity they were even when
you're even if you listen to theseinterviews, they all act giddy, even
like the big time rock and rollerswhen they meet another rock and roller that

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they look up to, they're allsorts of you know, oh yeah yeah.
In fact, it's funny you mentionedthat I was listening to an interview
kind of half watching it when youpopped in here into the studio to do
this recording tonight. That's what Ihad to shut off when you popped in.

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Dave Grohl talking about he's just aninterview and talking about how unbelievable this
stuff is to him, in thathe he got invited to sit in on
a session and he was doing soundchecks and he's sitting there on the drums,

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just kind of tapping along, hesays, And I'm just I'm just
trying to warm up and I'm tryingto, you know, get my foot
going, and I'm trying to settlein and I'm playing along and playing along
and getting everything, he says.And I kind of look up and out
on stage there's Prince and all ofa sudden, he he's just kind of

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he's watching me, and I'm sittinghere just playing along, he says.
All of a sudden, Prince looksover to the bass player and says,
give me that bass, and heputs it on, and he just starts
jamming with him while he is warmingup on the drums, and they he
says, they just jammed along andgoofed around for about a good ten minutes

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doing this sound check, and thenPrince takes the bass off and picks up
a guitar and he says, I'mgonna play a whole lot of love,
and off they went, and soDave started following him off the drums,
you know, and just kept going. And at the end, Prince says,

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we need to play that on stage. What are you doing Friday night?
And it's like, uh what,But He's sitting there going, how
the hell does this happen to me? You know, this, this kind
of stuff doesn't happen to me.What the hell is going on? So
it's weird. Yeah, you takesomebody who's who arguably at the top of

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his game getting star struck over meetingsomebody else, you know, it kind
of brings it back around to whereit's relatable. It's weird, and I
just just one insight on that Um, you could see how a door is
opened all of a sudden. Ifyou happen to be dropped in a certain

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scenario, you're accepted by the greatergroup of that scenario, roughly speaking,
because you've gained a certain key intothat world, be it music or just
like you can even go simple evenwithin the woodworking world or the maker community.

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There's also so like, for instance, we know a bunch of people,
creative people within the woodworking community,and and so it's kind of like
it's not in a it wouldn't becrazy if someone come up to you within
the community and say, Mark,can you do a show with me?
And now here's the flip. Here'sthe the addition to that for you would

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be normal. But some dude that'sa woodworker in in in the making that
watches your guys's videos, um withawe to them, that's like holy smokes,
you know. Um, So it'slike these perspective changes and and and
if if they get dropped into thatworld, um by happenstance or because of

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a close brand or whatever, it'slike this this you're in that world.
So it's funny. The David Growthing, Um, he's famous already yes,
but he still has his shock andawe with all these and I can see
it, you know, like youknow, there there would be no Bob

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came down and I'm looking at bombs. Was the most wonderful thing. It
was the most the most wonderful experienceof my life because it's Bob right in
front of me, and so youknow, and of course Bob's a normal
guy. I go, yeah,just like everybody else, we're all human
beings. But it's the context ofthe wonder of it, you know.
So if you were to up hereor JP, like when he did,

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I was like, yeah, hesmokes, Yeah, this is like this
is like JP's like right freaking infront of me, and it's just so
funny. I met Jamie in Atlantain twenty seventeen, um, probably the
week before he went down to Miamiand met you, and but I didn't

(35:43):
know who he was. I didn'tknow who anybody was. I knew some
of the big names, but otherthan that, I didn't know who anybody
was. And when I met upwith my guru, Dave Gatton, it
was like it was exactly like that, holy holy crap, He's right there

(36:04):
in front of me. He's literallyright there in front of me. You
know, somebody you had never metit. We talk back and forth like
this all the time. But Ihad never been in the same building.
I've never been in the same statewith the guy, not knowingly anyhow.
Yeah, so it is it's reallyit is a little bit different. But

(36:25):
it's also kind of fun to seebig stars like that get giddy about meeting
other stars and knowing that they getstar struck just as much as the rest
of us kind of gives them backa little bit of their humanity to me,
because you know it's and our friendcan definitely vouch for this. It's

(36:54):
really easy to get caught up inall the in all the hype because the
way she explained it was, whenyou get famous like that, all your
obstacles are removed for you. Shesaid, You're sitting backstage and you say,

(37:14):
man, I'd like to have aCoca write about now, suddenly there
was a Coca Cola. She doesn'tknow who bought it, she doesn't know
where it came from, she doesn'tknow nothing. It's just it's there.
You don't have to wait in line. People go do things for you that
you would normally have to go doyourself, you know, you get up

(37:35):
out of your chair and you goto do something like where are you going?
What are you doing? Oh?I was going to go make a
sandwich. Boom, here comes thesandwich. Yeah you know, no,
sit down, you know what doyou want? Oh? I was thinking
tuna fish okay, and bang there'sa tuna fire sandwich. So it's easy
to get caught up in that.I don't know what band it was.
I think it was Led Zeppelin.I could be wrong. It could have

(37:57):
been Guns and Roses. I'm notsure, but I read it a couple
of times where in the contract toplay at a venue, the band would
request the most ridiculous sort of likebackstage items, and they then qualified it

(38:20):
and said the reason we did that, or the manager said, I forget
who, I forget the details.They said they did that so that if
any of the things that they putin the contract weren't there, they could
have a legal stance in case anythingelse went to hack where they could they
could basically get get out of ofthe contract or paying X amount or whatever.

(38:45):
Forget who it was, but Idid read that well. A lot
of artists and a lot of youknow, actors or you know, musicians,
performers, what have you. Theywill put writers like at in their
contract looking for goofy stuff, wantinggoofy stuff, just simply for the same

(39:07):
reason as I've as you said,if there's anything wrong at all, they
have legal recourse should something really terriblego wrong, you know, yeah,
they can they can basically say sorry, sorry, folks, yeah we can't
have none of this exactly. Butthen again, I can see where it

(39:28):
would be easy to start believing yourown height, just simply because, like
I said, all of your allof your obstacles are removed by other people.
So you start to feel kind ofentitled. You know, well,

(39:51):
you know yesterday I had a sandwichdelivered, or what about today? You
know that kind of thing where it'seleven o'clock, where's my lunch? You
know, it's not normal. Also, well, who knows what normal?
Well it's not. No, it'snot who knows what? It's not normal
for a human being, or atleast for most human beings to be weighted
on hand and foot um or norrecognized. It's the normal thing is to

(40:16):
be anonymous, just another person inthe crowd and You're only recognized when you
approach the other person in order toexchange money for an item you're about to
purchase, or a service that you'rerequesting, UM or whatever, or a
friend that you might and you knowthat of course is a normal thing.

(40:39):
But for the crowd around you,yeah, all turn their heads in your
direction when you walk into a placerandomly has to be messed up. Yeah,
because because there's a thing. I'lljust say this, this this one
thing about that UM, and Iwas I was actually UM studying this UM

(41:02):
this week or this this angle.UM. We don't we're all sort of
voyeuristic or not. Sort of we'reall voyeuristic. We look at people and
we're detailing what people their habits,maybe their story. We do that through

(41:23):
movies and such and whatever. UM, but we're objectivising people, looking at
them and studying them. But turningthat around, we don't like to be
objects um for other people to lookat us as entertainment value in that aspect

(41:45):
where you're the focus, UM,in terms of UM, your privacy,
just your life, you're you're you'rean object now and that's an unsettling thing
for human beings. You know,so very unsettling and how troubling that can
be, because I mean, wedo it all the time, and we

(42:06):
talked about it before. In fact, I lad with the discussion when I
was talking about why we get soinvested with celebrities and especially with YouTube channels.
We you know, at the timeI was talking about I'm following this
couple who was renovating a house thatwas built in the early eighteen hundreds.

(42:29):
But people get so invested in thepeople they start losing track and losing sight
of the project. Well, itis a part of that with celebrity as
well, in that we've been watchingthese people our entire lives, but they're

(42:51):
absolute strangers. We think we knowthem, but don't you know. You
might know what Paul McCartney has forbreakfast every morning, but he doesn't know
squat about you. So we aretotal strangers. So putting myself in that
same position where Sean Penn comes walkingup to your airboat and you go,

(43:14):
oh, hey, Sean, youknew his name, He had no idea
what yours was, right, sohe was very much at the disadvantage,
and you got to wonder how unsettlingthat is, And that's that's exactly it
that that it must be. Hemust be used to it. But it

(43:35):
must be because you're looked at asan object. Now, mind you,
I don't look at people like objectsin person that I can think of.
I don't know how true that isone hundred percent, but I can.
I can immediately obviously recognize there ahuman being, and there's respect and certain

(43:58):
things in this and that. Butthe added issue of them being known to
you. So if you came upto me, I don't know where,
like you're visiting Miami. Let's sayI'm gonna automatically say hey, Mark,
I'm not gonna say hey, like, I'm not gonna start that process because
I already know you. Right,you're not necessarily a Hollywood you know,

(44:20):
trendsender this and that. But Iknow you. So there's a same thing.
I know that the guy's name isJan But for him, it's got
to be too much. Yeah,you know, it's gotta be too much.
It's gotta be too much. Well, taking it back full circle to
that song Rush by Rush Limelight,Um that one lyric, I can't pretend

(44:43):
a stranger is a long awaited friendbecause it's all about celebrity. The song
is all about being the star,you know, incredible and how strange it
is. Yeah, no, Idon't know. I there's some celebrities,
there's a lot of Okay, I'llgive you one last one, depending on

(45:07):
because we remember you also mentioned thatit depends on well, you actually mentioned
that not everybody knows the things thatyou think that would be obvious for others
to know. That with rock bandsand whatnot, you said, yeah,
um, there's also actors in that, in that category where you know they're
actors, but you have an ideathat they are. And then there's some

(45:30):
that you know they're actors because you'veseen them, but you don't know their
name. There is like nothing,but you do know they've started major Hollywood
films. I've I've I've come acrossa few of those. I don't know
who their their names. I evenforget what freaking movie they acted in,

(45:50):
but I look at them, Isaid, oh, this is that actor
that happened twice to me. Wewere closing up the the shop out in
the Everglades, and along comes acar with like the most like happy young
young people, young adults like justCalifornia dreaming type vibe to like no Carendle

(46:16):
and we're all grungy and mud andfricking, you know, like it's like
the movies, like like Texas ChainsawMassacre. We were basically the Texas Chainsaw
and these kids were like, ohChristine and whatnot and like the little beach
Ball if you could have it,And out comes this actress, famous actress

(46:37):
that to this day I couldn't tellyou who she she is specifically, but
the face of everything, it's her. And it's like, well, there
you go. I can't say,hey, so and so I know you're
friends, and I'm not gonna goup in that case. Who are you?

(46:57):
Who are you? I've seen yousomewhere, because that's just I don't
know if it's just as bad becausethey probably don't get noticed as much,
but it's not great because imagine somebodyyou know you, you're an I know
you're an actress. I've seen yousomewhere. Your face, your face was
a stranger. You imagine a strangercoming to Mark Lindsay right like somewhere at
the lumber yard. You know what, the face to face I can I

(47:21):
can almost put my finger on it. And you're standing there trying to do
your life and this guy is youknow, but I don't know about you.
But I've had that happen where somebody'dsay, have we met before?
I know you from somewhere? Yeah, and I'm like, you know,
I was born here. You've probablyseen me around, you know, yeah,

(47:43):
And well maybe that's it. Idon't know, but you look familiar.
I've had that happen. Yeah,But I've also done that to other
people, say say, I thinkwe've met somewhere before, you know,
standing next to somebody in line andkeep looking at this personally. I'm sorry,
I don't mean to stare, butif we before, you look very
familiar to me. No, Ino, I don't know, you know.

(48:06):
But then again, I have bumpedinto people that where have we met
before? Yeah? I think wehave. Gee was it it someone So's
wedding at you know? Oh?Yeah it was? Oh okay, yeah,
well I'm such and such as cousin. Oh okay, well I'm such
and such as cousin. All right, hey, you know, well they're
still together, you know that kindof thing. Well, let me throw

(48:28):
this weird one at you. Mark. I want to I hope you've had
this experience, but if you haven't, you have it. Okay, how
about so that's I get that onewhere there's no clarity until clarity occurs.
Yeah, but how about somebody thatcomes up to you doesn't happen to me,
and they come right up to youand say, hey, Mark,
how's it going, dude? Oh? You know so and so and this

(48:50):
and that, and you're standing therelooking at them and you have no idea
who the act they are. Twiceit's happened. To tell me, that's
not internally embarrassing and frustrating. Itis. It's incredibly frustrating. There's been
a couple of times that time.Yeah, okay, yeah, I catch
you later. Yeah, And Iturned, I look at Linda as I

(49:12):
have no clue who that is.I don't know, I have no idea.
It's so awesome. Are you serious? So did you? But wait
a second, this is my questionthough. So that's good. I'm happy
that. Did you play along ortry to? Just? Yeah? I
played along? I just you know, yeah I was. I was backpedaling
like a son of a gun.And it's just like, oh okay,

(49:34):
I love it. You know whatI love most about this is that you
had to put on your acting skillsto sort of navigate those dangerous waters because
you don't want to offend the personbecause obviously they have a caring enough about
you that they know your name,and so you're your brain is calculating all
these things real quick, and you'rethinking to yourself, well, I'm not
going to offend this person. ObviouslyI should know them just stood up.

(49:59):
Well, there was an added layerinvolved in that. In it at the
time, I was also selling realestate, so I didn't know if this
was somebody who I had bumped intoat the office. Did I show their
house? Did I show them ahouse? So I just have to play
along like I've known them my entirelife, hoping like heck, I don't

(50:22):
say something wrong because this couldn't meana sale. So it's like, you
know, oh, man, sodid you get to go fishing last week?
No, I had to do thisin the yard, and I had
to go do that in the yardthe day. How about you, did
you get out on the lake?Yeah? Man, me, we went
off to the river and we didthat. You know, just in in

(50:45):
my time, I'm going through therobodecks in my brain the entire time,
going Nope, that face don't matchNope, that face don't match. Nope,
that face don't match. I wonderso when you told when you told
Linda, because this is this isthese are classic situations here when you told
Linda after the fact, and Ibet you you were puckered on your way

(51:07):
back to it, you were thinking, what the heck just happened? I've
because it's happened to me, Mark, and I leave with goose pimples,
like shocked, like I feel likelike like like, I feel like like
like bad, you know, anembarrassed. I feel like like just like
I've been stripped naked and put infront of like a crowd of people.
I feel just so did you whenLinda's when you told Linda the like,

(51:30):
you know, I don't know whothe heck that was. Did she even
give off the hint that you appearednatural or not natural in your conversation.
No, because never, because itmust have looked natural, you see,
because that okay, that judges hownatural in this very awkward situation, you

(51:50):
were able from the outside perspective,you were able to to to to be
be hit because it's not normal.It's just no, I know, it's
so weird. I would be likeI have no idea who that is.
Let's get out of here before theycome back, you know, and then
you know, kind of if you'reif you can leave, leave, if
you can't leave, kind of maneuveraround to another area out of eyesight.

(52:12):
I have no idea who that was. She just start laughing, that's all.
She just start laughing. I haveno clue who that is. It's
happened to me too, Mark,and same, same, the same thing,
dude. It's it's like they say, hey, Eloy, and here's
the problem Mark, When somebody knowsmy name Eloy, and it could be
any name, but the fact thatthey know my name and you know my

(52:35):
name is not that calm And itisn't that I have to really take a
little bit of time and acknowledge thatthis person is acknowledging me and I don't
know who they were. They canwhat's going on anymore? Like and and
I get gave back to hate what'sgoing on? But I was like that
he knows more information about me thanI do of him. Who is this
so embarrassing? Dudes? Yeah,it's it's it's not a good feeling,

(53:00):
but you know, get the heckout of there. As fast as I
can and then just laugh about itlater on. Yeah, well, did
you just come up and start talkingto you? Yeah, he walked up
call me by name. I don'tknow who it was, but he knew
who I was, so I meanI could feel it, like I could

(53:21):
recall it immediately. Yeah. Orthe other one is where you know the
person, you know who they are, they come up and start talking and
you, guys would be essen,I know your entire life story. Yeah,
I can't, for the life ofme think of what the hell your
name is? That one is realembarrassing. Yeah, and if you don't

(53:45):
have a good wing man on thatmission, you're going down in flames.
Yeah that's a bad one too,dude, Oh my goodness. Yeah,
because you know, not remembering someone'sname is a very you know, we
don't We're not perfect, but itis a kind of insulty because it's such

(54:07):
a point of respect to at thevery least, Hey Mark, Hey,
Elo, it's like the most basicbut our brains sometimes it all goes haywire.
Yeah, exactly exactly, And andand that happens to me all the
time with words, and it makesme mad. It frustrates the heck out

(54:31):
of me, because I mean,I know what it is. I can
pick it up, I can holdit in my hand, I can show
it to you. I can handit to you. You can hold it
in your hand. I got noclue what the heck it's called. You
know, Yeah, I can't rememberthe word for it. Or I'll sit
here and I'll stumble over something tryingto remember a word, and just I

(54:53):
try, I focus on it sointensely that my entire train of thought just
goes right out the window. AndI don't even remember why the hell I
needed to know the word. Sonot only do I not know the word,
I don't know why I wanted toknow it. And I can't remember
what the hell I was talking about. Yeah, it's and that only happens
on a day that ends with whyyou know, it's just it's it's all

(55:16):
the time. It's brain quirks andand you know, what, what are
we gonna do? It's just well, I was really sweating it. I
mean this was I was in myforties, and you may have forty five,
forty six something like that. Anda friend of a friend of a
friend kind of a thing is apsychologist, And I did the typical thing.

(55:38):
You know. I start pouring myheart out to this guy about you
know, Jesus, is there somethingwrong. I mean, I'm really getting
nervous. He's like, Mark,Okay, are you worried about it?
I said yeah, He said,does it scare you? And I said
yeah. He says, you're fine? So what do you mean I'm fine

(55:58):
because the only thing I can thinkof is Alzheimer's right, He says,
Dude, if there was a problem, you'd never know it. Said what
do you mean by that? Hesaid, you would be frustrated at the
time, but if you really hadan issue with long or short term memory,
that frustration would go away. Youwouldn't understand why you were frustrated,
and you would forget the event entirely. If it bothers you, you're fine.

(56:24):
And I'm like, okay, well, I still don't have to like
it. He says, oh,no, you don't have to like it,
and it's gonna cheese you off.But so long as it cheeses you
off, you're finekay. So theyalso say that about like insanity. If
a person they I don't know howtrue this is, but if a person
asks themselves or questions am I sayingthat's a surefire way of knowing that you're

(56:49):
saying, because now it doesn't meanthat your standard you could be a quirky
kind of person. But if youask yourself, are you saying? The
question reveals and the mirror being turnedinward, and that aspect of things,

(57:09):
of turning the mirror inward, um, it is an indication that that you're
not that far gone, you know, as gone as you might think you
are. Well, yeah, justsomething simple as stupid as am I wrong?
Here? Am I the problem?You know? Right? If you
question yourself, any questioning of yourself, it's a good thing. I mean,

(57:35):
then again there's people that over overquestion themselves. But but but you
know, it's a good thing becauseit shows that you can turn to the
reflection inward. Um. Not alot of people. I'm coming to the
realization that I can't say not alot of people. There is a certain
amount of people that is noticeable thatmight have the disadvantage of not being able

(57:59):
to be introspective um at all.And the danger of that is that then
you deal with other people from yourreference point only, and and so you
know, you might be perceived asX Y and Z and so on in
this. But I wanted to sayas far as the memory thing and the
word the ability to pull words,there's a DNA category for that. There

(58:24):
are a category and that they dothey test for. Some are not conclusive,
others aren't. There's one called wordword speaking ability and word saying ability
or correct. There's variations on theon the theme there are people that can't

(58:46):
reproduce perfectly. It's not that theydon't get it all um any time at
all. It's that that sometimes theydon't get it right enough where the word
on the page or the word thatthat they're gonna say for a given item
doesn't come out right. I'm theking of that. Well, there's actually

(59:07):
a propensity for that. Uh,there's a there's a test for that.
But there's also another one that's withinthe realm where people will read. So
you could be an awesome reader,but you could also pronounce the words incorrectly.
And even that they've been able toit's not one hundred percent thing.

(59:29):
But there's genetic leanings of yes,of all these of all these different varieties
um so so. So they're studyingin they've noticed that a lot of genetic
stuff just simply happens to be um, things that push us to one direction
or the other. But but thatthat they're within the scope of human you

(59:51):
know, things in d Yeah,and it's within the context of the human
population. So you know, therewill be people that do what you do.
And then on the other hand,there will be people that will take
and read a text. In fact, hell, there's one for even reading
at all, like proper reading,and also there's different one but it goes

(01:00:15):
but it goes beyond reading. Becauseif I'm just speaking, and that's why
I keep saying, saying the wrongword is my thing, because I know
what I want to say, butI may twist one word and get it
wrong. Like if I mean tosay the word relevant, I may say
the word relative, and in mymind I'm thinking relative, but what comes

(01:00:39):
out is or no, I'm thinkingrelevant, but what comes out of my
mind is relative. And I justdid it just there. Earlier today,
I was shooting a video and I'mmeant to say, I'm going to cut
this out of this piece. Andwhat I say was I'm going to cut

(01:01:00):
this out of these pieces, andthere was one piece there, so I
know what I wanted to say andin my mind I said it right,
But when I look back at thevideo, no, I said these pieces
instead of this piece. So Iget to put the little correction blurb on

(01:01:22):
the video, and you know,what the heck, there's it's a very
weird thing. I mean, Iguess we're rounding home, but um,
yeah, there's a there's a veryweird thing about that. Um where here
you are filming? So here youare. I mean, I know everybody
nowadays does that because that's the worldof YouTube. But here you are mark

(01:01:46):
filming yourself and doing like a scriptor whatever, let's say, of of
the things you've got to say tolay out for your video. But you're
doing that with a camera pointing,where in theory there be a person dealing
with that and you're just dealing withyour bit and all this and that.
But then now you're taking that andsitting at your computer and reviewing the stuff

(01:02:09):
that you did before. Obviously we'reall doing that more or less now in
this new world that we live in. But we're going to whereas in a
normal situation, we would have saidit and we've been done with it and
it's done, and if it cameout wrong, But now we have this
extra thing of reviewing as many timesas we want, and we're also going

(01:02:30):
to find I know what you're saying, because I've heard you do that before,
but we're gonna find an enormous amountof things that don't quite match up
and the meanings and the intention.It's just the whole thing. I'm telling
you. It's like an alien itis. Yeah, it's an entirely different
thing. Because I'm sitting here.For the last hour, you and I

(01:02:53):
have been speaking, just natural backand forth, and I've made a lot
of mistakes. I always do,and I know it, and I just
move on. I don't care.I enjoy it like watching the cars go
by on a train. You knowit happens, and you know it's of
no consequence once it's passed. Butnow with I used to really go all

(01:03:19):
in on this stuff, and Iwould be when I first started this,
I would be back outside reshooting that. Okay, you know, now I
don't I don't bother. I'll throwup a correction on the screen, a
text correction, and sometimes I won'teven do that. Sometimes I just let
it go. And you'd be surprisedat how little people care about things like

(01:03:45):
that. I only do it whenit could cause confusion. But if I
say the wrong word in passing,most folks just don't care. Must a
lot doesn't register to a lot ofpeople. And so I don't obsess over
it anymore. It just okay,it came and went no big deale,

(01:04:09):
Well I screared that up. Andthen but I just keep editing you know,
well, you know. And sothere's a couple of things. So
we have you doing a video forwhatever amount of time, and and it's
a body of calling it a bodyof work. It's a body of work
and all this information inside of it. And then there's the gist of your

(01:04:30):
body of work within that video,yeah, the trajectory. And then there's
the nuances that can have all thesedifferent variations that could create one error here.
This isn't that, but the gistis packaged in the whole video,
you know what I'm saying. So, but it depends like let's say this,
we're a medical procedure and you wrotethe wrong there's situations. Oh sure,

(01:04:54):
yeah, but you know, infact, I may not even correct
that with the little text correction ona video. I may just leave it
alone. Um, looks like Ifroze here. Can you hear me?
I can hear you, okay,but yeah, my video froze. Okay,
Well, and I can say aboutthat there, I switched this and

(01:05:17):
I switched it back there, you'reokay. That's interesting. It's funny because
we're talking about all these different variationsof things messing up and this and that.
Yeah, and that one wasn't me. What do you know? But
I probably won't even change that becauseit's not important. I said these pieces

(01:05:41):
when I should have said this piece. No, you're you can't think any
I don't think anybody would care becausethey know because you know what I mean
exactly. You know exactly exactly Imean at the end of the day.
Um, now you can be verypicky um and do go back and do

(01:06:02):
all that I used to be,but not anymore. Yeah, there's room
for that now. Some people likelook, dude, like in music,
these music musicians like a Doobie Brotherswith their quality like let's say, with
their quality of like CD output orCD output your music output. Um,
you know that these people are likewith a magnifying glass in each and every

(01:06:27):
little section because the way it endsup coming out. It's like you couldn't
you you couldn't find a scrap.Now, if you go to someone like
a blues player, you're gonna hearall sorts of screwed up things in their
album, you know, but you'regetting the gist of it. Yeah,
And that's more and that that alsothat's also what makes it real, right,

(01:06:53):
There's there's a there's a grit toit, there's a life like these
are pull They don't sound in mechanical, these are people. There's a warmth
there and I get it. Youknow, we all love to hear absolutely
flawless sound coming out of our headphonesor our speakers or what have you.

(01:07:14):
But sometimes you do feel like we'rerolling in the dirt a little bit.
And if you get a little bitof feedback or an amplifier starts buzzing,
just adds to the ambiance. Yeah, it's more lifelike. I think that's
a good place. I think thatthat's a perfect um rap for we've we've
discussed today. Um so let medo the the outro. Here we go

(01:07:41):
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