Army of the Dead: Review

Episode 253: Army of the Dead - Review

Hallelujah! Zack Snyder is back in the horror genre with his brand new zombie outing on Netfilx, Army of the Dead starring Dave Bautista and Tig Notaro! Plus, we talk about the first teaser trailer for Marvel's Eternals!

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
You're listening to Screen Heroes. Heyeverybody, and welcome back to the Screen
Heroes Podcast. I am your hostDerek, and I have with me my
two longtime lovely co hosts, RyanOh and Ray. Hey. Hey hey,

(00:26):
welcome back everyone to episode two hundredand fifty three. This week,
our main topic is Zack Snyder's Armyof the Dead, available now on Netflix.
But before that, Ray, what'sup? Not much? What's up
with me? I thought you hadsome stuff you wanted to cover. Oh
my god, Like I thought youwere gonna like, say, other ship

(00:49):
first, my man, Okay,so you're gonna have a smoother transition.
Then Hey, Ray, what's up? I thought we done this two hundred
and fifty something times. Oh mygod. I was totally gonna troll you
and be like big news guys.J Loo and Ben Affleck are back together
like that it is, Yeah,they they both took the backslide. And

(01:15):
you know, ten Bucks says thatin a year they're either like married or
you know, and you know tendays will be completely broken up. But
whatever, Probably that's not the kindof stuff we do here. I was
just wanting to fuck with my husband. Oh the time you guys have no

(01:42):
idea how difficult it is to lockRyan down for something like he makes it.
I'm talking to the listeners now,not really to YouTube, but you
know he Ryan's time is very importantto him. That's right. I only
want to talk business on this podcast. Have been that way for two hundred

(02:06):
and fifty episodes. If you arefrequent listening, you know, I'm all
business. Bis. I wonder ifthere's anybody out there who's listened to every
episode. I hope not. Forthe love of God, if you're out
there, I apologize and go dosomething outside. Please. I really feel
like you should skip the first season. Yeah, for several seasons. It's

(02:30):
probably good. We're like a StarTrek show. It takes some time to
really get going, you know,find our footing or you know most shows,
yeah, almost every show. Well, if you have listened to every
episode, you should let us knowbecause I would like to talk to you.
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Andwhen you are getting a job and

(02:50):
like hopefully that you're doing better inlife nowadays it's hurtful. I mean you
got to figure that's close to threehundred hours content. So yeah, yeah,
look, we only do this oncea week. If you if you
commute, you know, I listento podcasts like that. Not ours,

(03:10):
of course, because I'm on it, but other people's you know, yeah,
when you're a long commute to youroffice that I used to have before
the pandemic, Yeah, it wasan hour commute, so I would listen
to a podcast episode about once aday. Okay, so what are we
gonna talk about? Right? Sothe Eternals we got our first kind of

(03:37):
well it's not our first look.Uh, we had that already at the
Marble compilation thing that they released.This is a trailer and it's three minutes.
It's called a teaser, but like, I feel like three minutes is
a good trailer. So there's alot of fun little easter eggs and really

(03:59):
cool I guess cinematography in there.So I am happy to explain anybody what
the Eternals are all about. Butbefore I do that, what are your
guys's opinions on it? I thinkit's pretty funny when the trailer like this

(04:20):
comes out because you get to seethe real dichotomy of the Internet. You
get the people that are like,this trailer didn't show anything, how am
I supposed to care about this?And then you get the people that are
like, oh man, this trailerdidn't show anything that makes me so pumped.
I don't know anything going into thismovie, and it's like, okay,
so no matter what they do,it's like they can't win. You

(04:42):
know. It's kind of always likethat. It's usually on the DC side,
but it's more funny. It's morefunny to me when it's on the
Marvels side, because you know they'rekind of winning that war. But as
far as the actual trailer goes,it was fine. It didn't really like
get me pumped or anything. Butcinematography was really gorgeous. Lots of what
seemed to be natural lighting, whichis interesting, but from what I understand,

(05:05):
it's it's a staple of that particulardirector. Um, they didn't take
a task. They didn't tack onthe words Oscar winning, which I think
was interesting because I think she wonan Oscar. Now, Chloe Shout was
the first Asian American to win theBest Director of Best Director and she's only

(05:29):
like the second or the third woman. Yeah, that's why I was so
surprised they didn't tack on, youknow, Oscar winning. They really didn't
touch the director at all in this, which is funny because you would think
they would. Yeah, well,but historically Marvel hasn't really done that with
any of their casting. No,but she's fresh off of him, an
oscar Win, Like, that's whyI thought it would be that way,

(05:50):
but it's not. Yeah, yeah, I liked I liked what I saw.
I mean it. You know,we get all the people that are
like, uh, you know,where were these guys when Banos was around?
And I made that joke, youknow a few times. But if
you've like followed any of the Eternal'scomics, they were they were like inactive
for a long time and didn't knowI don't know the exact story of it

(06:12):
when I read They've been inactive andlike didn't know they were you know,
they had these powers and stuff fora long time, and then something happened
and it made them wake up andrealize that they have these powers, and
they regathered to fight some other force. And so if that's going on in
the Marvel univers that's the perfect wayto do this. But they can only
do that once, right, Nobody'sgonna they can't do that with other characters.

(06:35):
So um so, you know,let's hope they used it on the
right one. Yeah, I meanI'm looking forward to it more because of
the people involved with it, youknow, the cast and things of that
nature than I am with what thetrailer gave me. I know basically nothing
about these characters, and the trailerscertainly didn't answer any of those questions.

(06:57):
But unlike Guardians the Galley See,which I was in a similar boat where
I really didn't know anything about thosecharacters, that trailer at least was stylized
in a way that got me excited. This just kind of I don't know,
I feel very flat about it,and you're not alone. Almost the
entirety of the internet seems to feelthat way. Unfortunately, it's very weird

(07:19):
for a Marvel movie. Yeah,so you know, I'm still gonna see
it, right, Like that's youknow, not, there's no question about
that. And like I said,I'm looking forward to the cast, but
so far, I'm not like jazzed. Yeah, I'm excited for it.
I mean, you know, mesaying these things doesn't mean I'm not going
to go see it. I'm notexcited for it. It's just this trailer

(07:40):
didn't really do anything to get memore pumped up. For it than I
was before the trailer, So whatabout you, Ray? Okay, So
I'm totally into this for a fewdifferent reasons. First and foremost, like,
gods are just on my my radar. To me, mythology and I

(08:05):
guess mythology is just you know,old religion and whatnot. It fascinates me
a lot, so I have hugeinterests in that. Also, I do
know quite a bit about the eternalsand I know a decent bit about the

(08:26):
background of it, and I lovethe characters, so I think this is
going to be really cool. Iam happy to do like our rate explains
the eternals at some point if anybodyis interested in that, and if not,
that's totally cool too. But basically, they are create creations of celestials,

(08:56):
the brothers and sisters of Ego andum their their god level kind of
characters here like there their centuries,millennia even old, and I don't know,
I'm just really excited for it.So I love magic and myth and

(09:24):
this one is my favorite. Uh. The cast is also incredibly wonderful and
diverse, like Salmahiak has been nominatedfor an Oscar or Angelina Jolie has won
an Oscar. Camail Non Johnny wasnominated for an Oscar. So this cast

(09:45):
is just insane. It's the mostdiverse cast we've seen in Marvel so far.
Yeah, who there you go.That's good stuff. Yeah, so
that comes out in November. SoI assume, based on shang Chi that
it will also be a straight totheater theater only, no Disney plus premiere

(10:07):
access kind of situation. I wouldbe. I would be shocked if that
wasn't the case. I mean maybeif the next few movies bomb, you
know that skip streaming, then they'llbacktrack. But there you go. What
else anything else? Right? Well? I had something else with My mind's

(10:28):
completely blank because I'm sitting or tryingnot to yell at you guys for not
liking The Eternals. M whoa Nobodysaid we don't like the Eternals. I
just said it wasn't a great trailerfor me, It's fine. How many
times have we seen trailers that havenot been a good representation of the movie,
forget almost every film, to behonest, like, you know,

(10:52):
look, I'd rather have this bethe case where I'm not super excited for
the trailer and then the movie blowsme away than being really excited because of
the trailer and then the movie beingcompletely misrepresented because that happens. Oh yeah
it does, so you know,or trailers would give away the entire freaking
movie. You know, like,at least we can't say that here?

(11:16):
Sure, now you cannot. Thatwas me stalling a bit. Did you
figure out what you want? Solet's just move on. Let's talk Army
of the Dead because I have aton of stuff to say about Army of
the Dead. Army of the Dead. So okay, so this is your
spoiler warning then for Army of theDead, available now on Netflix. Do

(11:37):
you want to take a break?Do we need to take a break or
like, what do you want todo? Sure, let's do that.
Well, well we'll do that.Well, we will take a short break
and when we come back from ourbreak, we will be discussing Army of
the Dead. So that's your spoilerwarning. We will be right back.
Okay, we are back. Let'sdo this. Let's talk Army of the

(12:01):
Dead. So it sounds like youboth have a lot to say. Where
would you like? Yeah, well, we open with just a really fun
scene like the taking the whole likepayload the Army thing. Like I love

(12:22):
that U A H. A Blowjobis responsible for the zombie Apocalypse. I
do too. I just want tosay, though, that the opening credits
were where we shouldn't skip over thatbecause that's probably the best part of the

(12:43):
whole movie. Zack Syder, I'mgonna go out on a limb and say
he's the best for opening credits outthere right now period. So good at
opening montages, Like the first fiveminutes of all of his films are mainly
good every time. Like it's almostalways disappointing after that, but yeah,

(13:05):
it's not always like a steep downhim. But it's it's tough for me
to say, like I don't knowwhich one is my favorite of his opening
credit sequences, because yeah, theyare really good. I mean truly,
I feel like it's got to bewatching those opening credits could be a movie

(13:26):
all by itself. They really really. I mean, there's so much in
there, so many Easter eggs inthere, and the song is phenomenal,
but this one was really good.It was really really good, you know,
like I would really like to seemaybe maybe Zack Snyder would be phenomenal
if he did short film like shortformat for a while, and he didn't

(13:48):
write them. Well, I meanhe wrote the opening here. Yeah,
but there's no no real monologue there. No. Oh, you mean from
a dialogue perspective dialogue? Yeah,sorry, sorry, I mean that's fair.
Yeah, But like I just thinkthat from a from a directorial standpoint,
from a cinematography standpoint, if hejust did like five to fifteen minute

(14:09):
stories, I think he could bereally really good at that probably, Yeah,
But then then they wouldn't have fourhour alternate versions on the On the
flip side, this man also makesthe longest movies we've ever seen. Yeah,
which, by the way, didyou did you hear that? There's
now the cast from Sucker Punch ispushing for the director's cut. I'm really

(14:37):
okay with that never coming out.I bet it doesn't happen. The Sucker
Punch is it's no matter who youtalk to, whether they like it or
not, they usually can admit thatjust it's not a good movie. There's
good aspects of it, but notit's it's just not good. Yeah.

(15:01):
Um, but yeah, opening creditswere amazing. The Cause of the Zombie
operation it's certainly a unique take oncausing the outbreak for a change, you
know, I kind of like thatpretty much everybody is just kind of settled
into the same same story, soat least this was a little different.
This was the problem. This wasthe first of my problems with the movie

(15:22):
though, right away. What thisHow how this all came to that there
was like a super zombie in acage, Not not that specifically, but
Okay, so first of all,if some civilian sedan drives into the front
of a military convoy, it's notgoing to blow up the entire convoy.

(15:43):
Okay, that sedan is going tobe destroyed, that vehicle that that military
vehicle might be damaged, it's probablystill gonna be able to drive. It's
certainly not going to explode, allright. Then immediately after that, when
the payload is just sitting there andthen the door falls open, everybody's like,
oh, maybe we should all justlike walk up to this thing that
we don't know what it is.At least they had their guns out.

(16:06):
They had their guns out, butapparently none of them thought maybe I should
shoot this thing that dives out inthe head. I'm so tired of people
having to explain in zombie movies thatthey go for the head, especially one
that is set in real time.And you know, we have had rednecks,

(16:27):
you know, create these bomb shelterarsenals for a situation like this,
and they like people are stuck pilingin America for shit like this. They
know headshots do it? So canwe just stop explaining that I did.

(16:48):
I did like the conversation of thetwo guys in the front of the convoy,
you know, or the guy likedidn't want to say aliens. I
just thought that was a little funny. But then, yeah, if that's
your payload, because somebody knows what'sin there, right, obviously the drivers
don't know, but somebody knows what'sin that thing, why wouldn't you,
like I don't know, strap itto a helicopter where I have air support

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at all? Yeah, okay,any, yeah, I mean that's fair,
but like it just seemed, um, it seemed fairly unprotected for such
a dangerous thing. I don't knowmuch about the military, especially our military.
I know we have certain branches,and I know we treat our that's
very poorly. But that's about it. So like maybe they don't always make

(17:37):
the best decisions, Like I reallydon't know, I'm not trying to be
certain to make a real bad decision. Right after this, when they're like,
Okay, everybody, get away asfast as you can from this thing,
then the two surviving guys like,okay, we've got like four fully
operational military vehicles here, but let'swalk over this way off into the sunset,
into the darkness so that we cando a ref friends to some much

(18:00):
I can't remember the name of themovie's a werewolf movie. Um, you
know, I don't know. Itwas incredibly dumb, it was. It
was dumb decisions from every single personthat that's the only way this movie could
work, and even then it doesn't. So it is it is almost just
consistent dumb decisions, but every oncein a while they're capped off by something

(18:25):
cool, like you know, thechearing the dude's jaw off was a cool
horror moment. Does that make upfor all the stupidity leading up to it?
Probably not. Did you guys seethe two uh alien spaceships or whatever
in the in the beginning there whenthey're first leaving like area fifty one,
and like all the convoy vehicles aredriving by, there's like two lights in

(18:47):
the sky that like fly away realfast. They like like they're sitting there
for a minute and then they flyaway real fast. I missed that.
Yeah, so there's like, Okay, there's a lot of plot points in
this movie, and I'm sure we'llget to it that aren't ever actually plot
points. There's so many freaking thingsgoing on here, and by the way,
I just want it so everyone's aware. They've already green lit a prequel

(19:11):
anime that's supposed to focus on theZombie Wars, which is what we at
least part of what we were seeingin the opening montage. But there's also
like multiple sequels and like side storiespossibly planned, and like it's this is
such a weird off the Rails projectalready. Yeah, And I'm just gonna

(19:32):
say, overall, like taking thiswhole movie into account, I really like
the world building ideas of this movie. I think that there's some really cool
stuff and I'm sure we'll get intosome of the theories about it later,
but there's some really cool stuff kindof hinted at, and the way like
the hierarchy of the zombies and thingslike that works, I think it's really
cool. But that whole concept isnot fulfilled unfortunately, Like all these ideas

(19:57):
are really cool and then the moviewas disappointing version of those. So let's
just like get it out there.Zach Snyder introduced the blue eyed robot zombies
and nowhere that we get zero explanationfor. So you know, I was
unaware that he had already confirmed robotzombies were in the movie. And that's

(20:19):
that's fine. So like wells hesaid, too right exactly, and I'm
okay with him not revealing this rightnow. My problem is that it's it's
a little confusing because most of thetime they happen when you see him in
the casino, so it could justbe weird lights. And well, there

(20:42):
is one in the scene at thezombie headquarters when the King and Queen meet
or whatever you want to call it. Sorry, you just said zombie headquarters
like a fucking Google Mount Olympus.Where zeus? Because he's not heavy handed
at all, Zack Snyder, never, he's he's one of our more subtle

(21:06):
directors of the time. Okay,he said it in Vegas, and I'm
not quite sure he could have pickeda hotel or building or something on the
strip that somebody wouldn't have been like, oh my god, what does this
mean? Like the Rio, hecould have picked the damn Rio, nobody,
why would you have? Zeus saidthe Rio. That doesn't make any

(21:27):
sense exactly. But in that scenethough, you know the scene that I'm
talking about, one of the zombiesin that shot has his bright blue eyes
and I kept looking at him andit was really distracting because in my head,
I'm like, is this like amistake that happened in post for some
reason that somebody missed or what.And then later in the casino, like
you're talking about, and they bustthe dude's head open. It's like a

(21:48):
freaking robot. Yeah. You literallysee like a terminator like endoskeleton underneath.
Like like, look, I'm notsaying that this is like this is a
this is a zombie movie, right, but it still did some things that
I have no freaking clue what wasgoing on. Yeah, And so I
got into a discussion slash argument earlierwith somebody about this that watched the movie

(22:10):
had really loved it, So kudosto them, they really loved it,
but they were Their argument was thatwe don't need to have all these things
explained. And I think that youhave to have robot zombies explained. Okay,
I don't think I'm out of linethinking that, like, this is
not a small plot point, right, it's a rope. It's a zombie
movie where there's like the half dozenzombies that we see that are also robots

(22:33):
or aliens or something. I don'tthink you can just ignore that and move
on, right, And you don'thave to explain why they're smart zombies.
That's just part of the universe thatdoesn't need an explanation in this story.
But yeah, the giant glow,like the bright glowing eyes, we need
an explanation. The metal endoskeleton,yeah, I need an explanation. I

(22:56):
completely agree. Now, I definitelylike there there are rules, right,
there are rules to horror films.Horror films follow rules more than any others.
Yes, yeah, I mean yes, absolutely the horror level. Yeah.
Um. But the fact that likeZack Snyder continuously breaks rules is always

(23:22):
very divisive because he does so insuch a weird way that, yes,
I do think you have to explainaliens or robot zombies like that. That
has to have something explained. Now, the fact that we are getting it
in some form either a sequel ora prequel is enough for me. I'm

(23:47):
satisfied with the fact that, likeI didn't get it explained to me right
now, but I do want itexplained to me. And if I have
to like go to his house,knock on his door and be like why
Zach, then that's what I'll do. You know, In South Park,
Stan went to mel Gibson's house andgot us money back for Passion of the

(24:11):
Christ. Because it's a bad movie, guys, it's good. I brought
up on the podcast before that Idon't like it when I have to go
watch some other form of media toexplain something in this movie. This movie
should have, I mean, biggerquestions that are very subtle plot points maybe
would be okay, but like thisis in your face. Yeah, absolutely

(24:33):
right. So that's a problem forme that I have to now go watch
the anime prequel to understand why thereis something in this other kind of crappy
movie that I watched. You know, that's totally fine. I get that
that's a fairer opinion. Well,especially when the world that we're presented with
starts off as just our normal world. It's not more than that. It's

(24:55):
not like we're in some like cyberpunkdistant future Blade Runner style where the who
knows what walking around this is supposedto be relatively modern day. Yeah right,
you know, so there's expectations rightthere, and I hesitate even to
call the rules. There's just basicexpectations of the setting that the movie is
in. Yeah, you know.I also wouldn't have expected like a rhino

(25:19):
to be walking down the street either, you know, because there just wouldn't
be one. So it was weird, super super weird. Yeah. So
my next big problem with the movieis prioritized going kind of in order that
the problems presented themselves that I rememberand maybe you guys will remind me of

(25:41):
some other ones throughout that. Butthe entire premise that this one zombie got
out ran to Las Vegas and startedbiting people, and that the government realized
this was happening and was able tocontain all of these people while they built
a giant wall of shipping containers thatfor some reason, these super zombies can't
climb, even though they know howto operate elevators and ride horses. They

(26:04):
had enough time to build this entirething around the city before anyone and nobody
else escaped anywhere. No zombies gotout anywhere else in the world. We
know that the government never moves thatfast, especially to build wall. Right,
So I have two thoughts. Oneis it's ridiculous that no zombies got
out. I agree one hundred percent. I think they tried to say,

(26:26):
and I'm not saying that that theysucceeded in doing this, but I think
they've tried to say that the smartzombies whatever we're calling them, didn't want
to the alpha's, thank you,the alpha's didn't want to leave. They
were making this their territory, theirkingdom. But how do they know that?
How do they know that? Arethey communicating with this this thing like

(26:48):
I think we're supposed to believe thatthey are. They also put a survivor
camp literally right outside the wall,so the zombies did decide to leave,
then they immediately kill everybody outside there. Why it was so close, like
literally like one of the walls ofthe camp is the wall to the city.
Yeah, that makes no sense tome, considering that, like it's

(27:11):
the vast desert. They could haveat least moved it like a football field
away without any problems. Could theymake shades anymore rapee either, Like that
guy is like you knew right away, this dude is like he's doing things
that he should definitely not be doing. And that's that's definitely like confirmed later.

(27:32):
Yeah, he's a great actor.I had to I had to google
where I knew him from because Iknew. I was like, I know
this guy that was like Luke Cage. Okay, I remember now because he
was great in Luke Cage and hewas a very like multidimensional character in that
show. There was a lot ofreally cool stuff they did with him,
and then this it's like he literallyjust plays the most unlikable guy that you

(27:56):
could possibly imagine. Here's here's whatI want, Like, I know nobody's
going to hear this. I knowit's just going to fall into the ether,
but I want a few years ofcontent to go by where men just
say, like, you know what, I'm not going to play a rapist

(28:18):
anymore, Like, can we justhave two years worth of content? He
played a rapist like in his firstrole, and then he was like I'm
not doing that anymore. And Idon't think he's done it. Well,
I guess coln Air maybe after colnAiry stopped it. I remember reading an
article that he refused. Yeah,that kind of a character anymore. There
are some actors that have just puttheir foot down. And I'm not saying

(28:41):
that it's not an important topic thatneeds to be addressed or ever in fiction
again, because I get it.It definitely does. But the thing is
like, can we just go awhilelike it? I feel like it's it's

(29:02):
a bad standard for actors too.Like now Theo Rossi, who I've seen
in three different things, now likehe only I only consider him like a
creepy kind of guy, and whichis a shame because he was really great
in Luke Cage. Here's here's playeda creep He was just different, but

(29:23):
he had a lot of there werea lot of layers. So what he
was doing in there absolutely was thiskind of trope. Like the mechanism that
he's used for in this has startedto come off to me as like a
small scale version of like, let'sjust make the bad guy's nazis because it's
easy because he's there's there's no reasonto protect that person or to side with

(29:48):
that person, right, So whatthey made this guy a horrible piece of
shit, so when they sacrifice him. Everyone's like, oh, yeah,
that's fine. Nobody questions it.Nobody really has a problem with it because
we know how horrible he is.Just like, how if you just make
the bad guys Nazis, it's fine, kill all the Nazis. Yeah,
it's like a short cut making theI feel like cops need to be accurately

(30:15):
rap presented in TV shows. Weshouldn't have them always be like the heroes
and do the good deed, butthey don't all need to be a rapist.
Like, I just don't want tosee rapists anymore on TV for people
bad without it being raped, right, Yeah, I agree. I just
meant that it's I mean it moreas an insult to the mechanism. It

(30:37):
is the easiest way out, iswhat we both understand that trying to slay
what you were saying. Okay,so you don't you think that the zombies
just want to hang out in LasVegas and don't want to ever go out
of there. I'm not saying likeever, but they definitely were positioning it
as this is their home, thisis their kingdom. I think they use

(30:57):
that word, and so I thinkthey just have no interest in leaving right
now or maybe they're smart enough toknow there's nothing else around because it's in
the middle of the desert. Well, it's like to build on top of
that. It's probably more of astronghold situation where you know, you get
enough of an army, and whatdo armies do? What do kingdoms do?

(31:22):
After that? They expand. Youknow, we've had thousands of years
of colonialism, so at this juncture, like the whole zombies motives is to
protect this baby. Okay, yeahsfor clapping cheeks in there. At least

(31:42):
we know a seaman still works,and so they're protecting it. So I
imagine that once the baby was bornor forcibly removed or whatever, they were
going to you know, expand becauseafter this you take over. Also,
like they eventually run out of afood source, so I mean, it

(32:07):
seems unclear that they need a foodsource. That's another part of a problem
with just zombie movies in general isdo they need anything to survive? And
like I do, like this moviedid two things that I thought was a
cool way to expand on zombie mythology, and that was the ones that have
dried out and the heat will comeback to quote undead life when it rains.

(32:29):
I thought that was a really coolidea and could have made for a
very good horror scene if they hadactually shown us. Instead it told us.
And then the hibernation kind of sleepmode that they go into, which
I'm assuming is intended to like lowertheir energy consumption, but again, do
they need to eat, so thatmight just muddy the waters. Yeah,

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but okay, well two things.One fact, the fact that they said
they come back to life and theraining. Immediately I went, it's going
to rain by the end of themovie. So that's another plot point similar
to like the robot zombies that likelike why even bring that up? Then?
Yeah? Um so then the otherthings, so whether they I would

(33:12):
have loved to see that by theway, like maybe right, Um So,
okay, this is jumping ahead alittle bit, but it's kind of
relevant to this. So when they'relike trying to trigger the traps and they
keep like trying to get the zombiesto go out there, but they keep
turning on them, so they microwave. They find a microwave somewhere and microwave

(33:35):
a zombie hand and throw that outthere, and the zombie goes after because
it's warm, Okay, so weknow that zombies like warm flesh, right,
that's kind of what that establishes.So they're in the middle of the
desert, presumably it gets hot duringthe day in the desert, and you
have a bunch of zombies made offlesh that they just shown they'll eat zombie

(33:59):
flesh. Why are they all justeating each other if it's clearly because that
establishes something that's never you know whatI mean? Was that a zombie's hand,
Yes, it was clearly like rottenand gross when they put it in
the microwave. Well, it wasrott but they doesn't necesarily mean it was
from a zombie. Could have beena dead guy's hand. Okay, Well,
because zombies have never been shown toeat each other, they always seem
to just inherently know who the otherzombies are. That's just like a trope

(34:22):
of the genre. So it asmell like because you know in Walking Dead
it smell. If you smell dead, they will not bother you. They
do that in the first season,Glenn and recover themselves in Zombie Guts and
they talk about it. It's avery gross scene, but it's also very

(34:44):
effective and I haven't seen anybody reallyuse that since they're Walking dead to use
it several times. There's a wholegroup that's called the Whisperers that wears like
zombie. They take the zombies facesoff and make them into masks and then
smear the guts on themselves and theywalk with zombies and lead them places.
It was why mis Shan carried herbrother and her boyfriend around as uh,

(35:09):
like you know, pets, becausethe smell. So I had thought that
prior to seeing Walking Dead. Ijust figure like zombies can tell dead between
a live based on smell, andthat's it, because like their eyes are
usually glossed over their cataractic It justseemed like unlikely to me that he went

(35:34):
and searched out a non zombie corpsein the middle of this zombie place.
I can't imagine that one. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like the
whole city of zombies. So unlesshe went to somebody in his group that
had died earlier that hadn't been buteverybody turned turn in the zombies. It's
that's that's a huge stretch, isall I'm saying. That's a stupid plot

(35:54):
point that was played for laughs,and I get it that it was funny
or cute or whatever. Why didn'tI just throw a zombie body onto the
traps. That's what I was gonnajust say that. I thought it was
dumb to try and get a zombieto walk anyway, But then you get
the scene, but the movie isalready bloated. That was my thing,
is like, it's already lot twoand a half hours forty something like that.
You could have cut out thirty minutesof this movie. It didn't even

(36:15):
need to be the slow moo becauseeverybody looks to hard up on the backside
or snow slim. I didn't thinkit was overused in this movie. But
there was a lot of things youcould have easily cut out, and we're
just replaced with better explanation of theother ship that got dropped around in the
movie. Sure, but I meaneverybody complains about the length of his movies,
so you know, they could havecut a lot of stuff out and

(36:36):
it would have been fine. Anyway. That's just touch on your thing about
them eating and stuff. I thoughtthat was kind of silly that you know,
in this one case, they'll gofor a zombie hand, but when
they're walking around in the heat ofthe desert. It's not a big deal.
Yeah, I'm with you, absolutely, I'm with you there. Okay,
So we can move on to anotherbig problem in my head with this
movie. This is not plot related, so and this is this is more

(36:59):
about the way a shot this dreamLike this weird depth of field that he
was using with this that was verysimilar to what he did in the Nightmare
scenes and BBS and Justice League.But everything was so blurry. It was
so blurry, and it was distracting, and I hated it. I absolutely

(37:20):
hated it. I loved Zack Snyder'svisuals, hated what he did with this
movie with that, it was soirritating. So it drove me nuts.
It did get used less as themovie progressed, but I mean, and
again, like one of the problemswith the way he shoots is that the
explanation is always something very technical thatdoesn't matter to the average viewer. And

(37:45):
this had to do with the especiallyit was very very specific camera and lens
that he was using to shoot thesethings. And the reality of it is
is that they exacerbated the effect inpost to help with the insertion of Tig
NATARO. Yeah, but even onscenes where she wasn't there. It was
just like super slurry and lame.Yeah, so much. It was frustrating

(38:12):
to watch. It was like lensflare on steroids. It actually was like
made me question why I like ZackSnyder, because like, if this is
what his movie is going forward,are like because he said in that interview
where he talks about that specific lens, he said that he would continue to
use it as much as he canbecause he loves it. And if that's
the case, man, I'm gonnabe out. I can't like it.

(38:32):
Maybe it wouldn't be that bad ifthe tig Nataro situation hadn't happened. So,
for those who don't know, tigNataro replaced a completely different actor in
the movie. All of her shotswere done completely solo in reshoots on her
own on green screen, and shewas inserted into the movie. She just
shared a picture in our little groupchat of the original promo photo the whole

(38:58):
cast and Christelia of course is init as the fighter pilot. And so
you know, one of the explanationsyou know, that Zach had is that
they had purposefully you know, blurredthings a little extra to make her fit
in more. And my thought ismaybe that just was across the film,
so it seemed consistent at least,whether you liked it or not, it

(39:20):
was at least consistent. And youknow, like I said earlier, I
feel like it's done less as themovie progresses, so I don't know how
that would really play into it.But there were several shots though, like
indoor shots that weren't that blurry thatshe's in that looked fine, So I
don't know. It's a very weird. It's a very strangely shot movie.
And he does have cinematographer credit onthis film. He's not just the director,

(39:45):
he's also director of cinematography, Soyeah, very confusing. There was
also some scenes. The main onethat pops into my mind that I had
an issue with was the scene whereDave Batista and his daughter are talking while
he's filling the generator. It feltlike maybe this was a scene that was

(40:07):
filmed like after the COVID lockdowns thathappened, because you never saw the two
of them in the same shot.It was him talking and then her talking,
and then him talking and then hertalking, and it looked like he
wasn't even looking where she was likehe looked like he was looking above her
head. It was maybe I'm readingtoo much into that or being too picky,
but that's there was a couple oftimes like that that really bothered me.

(40:30):
And and you know, maybe theywere doing the best they could with
the COVID lockdowns and things like that, but I don't know. That was
rough. Usually his like styles whenit comes to intimate conversations like that aren't
a problem for you. For somereason, on this one it really was.
Right, what do you think?Any thoughts on any of that?

(40:51):
I really didn't care about either.To be completely honest, I thought that
the blurred look to something actually fitwith the kind of desert esthetic because I
always hated that in movies where itwould go from blurry to clear when they
did desert stuff, and that thatkind of always bothered me. So the

(41:15):
fact that like the outside was justalways a little off was I thought it
fit. But and then I reallydon't care. They managed to make a
movie during COVID, and this itlike to me, this movie was not

(41:35):
a great film. It brought somenew things to the zombie world. Zack
Snyder pretty much repeated his greatest hitsand broughtened like some the most paradoxical characters

(41:55):
that I've ever seen, Like there'sa chunk that were amazing and a chunk
at work horrible. So like,I just had fun while watching it,
and I didn't expect to have funwhile watching it, but yeah, I
had a good time watching it too. Like it's a zombie movie, so
I'm not really expecting it to beanything like truly special. So i'd seeing

(42:22):
his remake of DA was Yeah,that was a really really I mean I
would I would watch that movie tentimes instead of watching this movie once.
Sure it was, I went toit absolutely was, which is why I
completely you know, believe he repeatedhimself so much on purpose. I think

(42:44):
the things I liked about this moviewere just the things that were different.
Right. It was in in likea post apocalyptic Las Vegas, which is
a cool setting for me, youknow. I like the idea of the
smart zombies, you know, ingeneral, and I like Dave I do.
I like him and I want tosee him in more lead type roles.
So that was really nice. Butyeah, Donna the Dead's a better
movie. Yeah, that's why myexpectations were higher for those movie. I

(43:07):
think is what it comes down too, because I really liked that movie.
It was one of, for me, the one of the best, if
not the best zombie movie other thanlike maybe Shaun of the Dead, which
is more of a parody, butof our like generation. It was.
It was really well done. Yeahthat Shaun of the Dead and Zombie Lander
my top three in some order.Yeah, you know, um, but

(43:30):
you know, I think this moviedid do something as well. I do
like the makeup work on the zombies, especially the smart zombies, the alpha's.
I thought the queen just looked awesome. I thought she was super fractured
shout outs fractured effects that did thosethey they were the same group that did
swamp thing, the TV swap thing. Yeah, yeah, they did a

(43:51):
great job. Yeah. I thoughtthe queen just was phenomenal looking the whole
time. She was super super cool, even when her head was cut off.
I thought it worked well. Ithought they handled all of that stuff
really well. So I know thatthe budget was probably strained between the COVID
restrictions and then having to add takeNataro in on top of it. I
know that couldn't have been easy forthem, but I thought most of the

(44:14):
special effects still held up pretty well. Yeah. Yeah, there was a
couple of shots with take that werebut the main one that pops into my
mind is when they first enter thethe like Las Vegas area and they're coming
through the shipping container or whatever.It's really bad where she's at, like
you can tell it's it almost lookscopy pasted on there. But that was

(44:37):
really the only one that stood outto me where it was really terrible.
Everything else, you know, theydid a pretty decent job. There was
a lot of like you could tellthe lines were dubbed she over heat or
like you know, him over heror her over him or things like that,
but most of it was handled prettywell. I don't think anybody going

(44:58):
into it would have been like,oh, that's not the original actor if
they didn't know going into it,you know, that's kind of my thought.
And yeah, something like this,at least to my memory, has
never really been done before where anotheractor completely replaced another digitally like that.
So I do commend them because Ithink for a first attempt, it's pretty
damn good. Yeah. Absolutely,So let's see, what are what are

(45:24):
some other aspects I'd like to pointout. The characters I liked, and
the characters like didn't and uh okay, So on my good side, I've
got Van Dieter, Chambers, Guzman, and Tiggs character who went by Peters.

(45:53):
That's my that's the good ones,and then the bad ones or everybody
else. And then they're not badactors. I'm not saying that, but
oh coyotes on the good side,but they're just bad characters. And the
mix between all of them is hilarious. It's like taking wagoo beef and covering

(46:16):
it in ketchup like it's it's sofucking funny. It's like a gummy worms
on a soup flay, like it'sjust the mixture is just ridiculous. Yeah,
I think I feel the same way, except more as a negative rather

(46:38):
than a positive. I mean,I could really tell if you're being positive
about it or not with that,Like I'm treating this like it's gonna end
up being a cult film or somethinglike like Rocky Horror is not a good
film, but it's so bad it'sa great film. Now, like it's

(47:00):
a fun film. You know,you don't go because of its ability to
like move you emotionally. You gobecause you're gonna have a good time,
and like, I just had agood time watching this because it was so
outlandish and silly and like that's whereasDonna the Dead. Yeah, it's a

(47:22):
good movie. This movie does havethe advantage of the other projects tied to
it, so it could end upin a position where people are watching it
because the anime is fantastic, oryou know, there's a companion film that's
really good or something like that,and then people end up watching it because
it's connected to the rest of theuniverse, you know, and it's it

(47:45):
becomes like an Iron Man too,or a Thor of the Dark World of
its own franchise, you know.Right, well, this is probably a
good time to bring this up.There is a theory going around and I
don't know if you guys have seenthis about this movie that would make it
almost must rewatch the time loop theoryfor this movie. I love that.

(48:06):
So they do talk about it inthe film, and I thought it was
super freaking cool and then they justdropped. But it goes deeper than that.
It does if you look, ifyou look at the some of the
Twitter threads and things, when theylook at the corpses that are there,
some of the things that they're wearingactually match the things that Like, there's
one that is wearing like the samered collar piece that Dave Fatisa's characters wearing.

(48:30):
There's another one that's wearing the keynecklace that another characters were. So
and do you see when they gointo the vault, there's three A K
forty seven's already in there, whichis the same gun that one of one
of the other guys carries. Soit makes it seem like this is the
fourth loop in this which I thoughtwas really that that would change the movie

(48:50):
for me a little bit. Iwould be able to forgive more things if
they were setting up this to bea time loop movie without like being super
on the nose about it more thanthey were, you know, like groundhog
Day, it's set up early timeloop movie. Um, you know what's
the Palm Springs time loop movie?It's the whole premise this one. They
didn't come out. This was supposedto be a zombie heist movie. If

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it turns out to be that thisis that as a facade for a time
loop series of movies, that wouldchange this movie for me. I think
because there's and I don't put itpacks past sack Snyder putting things like this
into his movie so people will talkabout it later because he's really good about
that. But the evidence pointing tothat is pretty interesting to me. And

(49:35):
the report's saying that Dave Fatista isgoing to be in the sequel is interesting
because he obviously if you want amovie, you know, he doesn't.
He doesn't end well, right.I just so, so here's the thing
for people who listen to this show. I love time travel stories, even
bad ones. I love time travelstories. And I'm having a hard time

(49:59):
making it make sense here because nothingnothing happens at the end of the movie
that resets anybody. It just continueson. So when does the reset occur?
Because Kate just walks off to theto that rescue helicopter and that,
you know, and then we cutto to to van, you know,

(50:19):
and the movie just goes on andon. So we like, the reset
never occurs, it's never hinted atwhen it occurs. It's because this isn't
a time loop movie. If thisis it's not presented in your face as
a time loop movie. This isnot so that what that what my assumption
would be is that if that's whathe's setting up. Then in the sequel
it will show when this happens,and that will be set up as the

(50:40):
time Loop movie. This was likea precursor. This is actually like a
prequel to set up what is actuallyhappening. He kind of did some similar
things with like um Man of Steeland Bat maybe Super Superman, where like
the consequences from one movie started tomake more sense in the second, you

(51:00):
know what I mean, Like Steal, everybody was like he just a sort
of city, there's no consequences.Then BBS came out and it was like,
oh shit, there were a lotof consequences, and so so you
know, it wouldn't surprise me ifhe was doing something like this. It
also it lends a little bit ofI don't know, It gives me a
little more flexibility on the pot whatshould have been a post credit scene,

(51:22):
the scene with what's the dudevan,the scene with him coming out, because
we never see him get bit,right, The theory is that that is
actually an alternate version of what happenedbecause he gets the fan we saw.
That's a different yes, because hegets bit at some point we never saw

(51:44):
that in the movie. Then hesurvives in the vault for however long,
walks through the desert, managing andcarry millions of dollars, buys a private
jet, goes for flying on thisprivate Jetford who knows how long before it
reveals that he's been bit and andit's assumed he starts turning where it's like
Dave Batist character and all the othercharacters that we've seen and have turned with
fairly quickly. So yeah, itlends I don't know, it lends a

(52:07):
little bit more to that scene ifyou take that as an alternate, you
know, and maybe that will everpan out. I'm based on what we're
given in this movie. I thoughtthat that scene was stupid because we're not
shown that somebody can survive for thatlong with by after being bit and not
turn. But if it turns outto be that kind of like Rachel when
you said that Man of Steel willbe better for you, if if that

(52:29):
BBS, you know, showed thatthere was consequences for that destruction and it
wasn't just want in disregard. It'skind of like that for me with this.
If this turns out to be youknow, them setting up that time
loop movie, then that will changemy opinion of this movie a good amount.
I know I'm talking a lot,but I'm just kind of excited by
the fact that that might be athing, because, yeah, I mean,

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we only the only person we seeother than Van obviously, the only
person we actually see get bit andthen also see turn not die Turn is
Dave is Scott Ward's character. Everybodyelse who gets bit either dies or we
don't get to see what happens,like with the coyote. So maybe Scott

(53:15):
Ward turns really fast because he wasbit by the original guy. He was
bit by the King. He wasn'tVan was bit by Zeus too. We
don't know, right, because wedidn't actually see it. He's the only
one that we see him interact withreally up close and personal, so that,
yeah, that's just an assumption,right, But we don't know.
He could have gotten bit during someother fight somewhere or something. I mean,

(53:37):
we don't really know when that happens, because he doesn't even know that
it happened, right, He's surprisedwhen he sees it now. Of course,
he's been walking for who knows howlong and also other so so we
don't really know how much time elapsesbetween him getting out of the vault and
him finding out that he's been bit. But I find it unlikely that he
didn't like notice that at some pointbetween those two times, because it's like

(54:00):
it's on his arm, like it'slike right, Like I don't know.
I just that was a little frustratingto me. Like I was okay with
him getting away, I was okaywith getting past the nuke and all that
nonsense and just having him like flyoff into the sunset. I was kind
of cool with that, and thenthey ruined it. So you're if it

(54:22):
turns out to be some ridiculous,crazy time loop thing, then I'm still
on board. I still want tosee what's happening. And I would probably
see a sequel anyway, because Ilike zombie movies and I like day Bautista
and I like Zack Snyder. Butthat would at least have me intrigued.
Yeah, I agree. What doyou think about that, Rachel? It's

(54:43):
fine, like fine, you don'tcare. No, I don't. This
is going well, fair enough,fair enough that the time loop thing is
weird, and I don't. Idon't know, I don't know what to
make of it. I would bereally cool if it was a time loop.
It's just the Yeah, I don'tthink I am not putting a lot
of stock in that as much asothers are, maybe even Snyder is.

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Because the entire movie, Van's characteris waxing poetic about certain situations and things,
so you know, that is hischaracter, and I I just thought

(55:30):
that it worked. That's fair.I mean, it definitely slides right in
right Like if anybody else had saidit, I think it would have been
weird. But I thought that sceneworked really well in the moment, but
then, yeah, it just kindof gets dropped later. I do like
the Van and Deeter relationship in themovie. It's probably my favorite interactions throughout

(55:52):
the film. I thought that twoof them did a really good job together.
Deeter as a character I liked,but he kind of kind of bothered
me that Like they went to thismom and pop shop, you know,
lock picking shop, and they foundthe guy that can crack the most like
hardcore safe in the world, andyou know, I don't know, it
was a little weird, the bestlocksmith in the city or something, and

(56:15):
they're like, no, we gothim. That woman already knew him.
Yeah, okay, Yeah, it'sjust weird that she said that she had
worked with him before. M yeah, um, I mean well, I
mean he did say that he wasn'tsure if he could do it or not.

(56:37):
I just found it a little weirdthat, like, the method of
unlocking this thing is like every otherhighst movie that's ever been made, where
you just listen for a click oneach thing, you know what I mean?
You would think this world caliber likethe most impressive safe mechanism to ever
be built in the world, wouldhave a safeguard of some kind. Also,
why didn't they just have the combination? It was that guy's safe,

(56:58):
right to Naka, it was hissafe I did have a huge problem with
that, But there's one throwaway linethat kind of solves it kind and I
say kind of because it still leavesa different problem. But apparently it auto
resets the combination every twenty four hours, so every twenty four hours it's a
different combination. Now my question wouldjust be then, so that explains why

(57:21):
he doesn't have the current combination.But in a normal world where there's no
zombies, how would you know whatthe combination? Sheet of paper every day
and you just have to make sureyou're there right at the twenty four hour
mark or somebody else is going toget it. I don't know that that
didn't quite work for me in likea non zombie world. It does explain
it in the context of the movie, though, Yeah, for what that's

(57:44):
worth. What did you guys thinkof the soundtrack? What did you think
when Zombie by the Cranberry started playing? Like I said, I Zack Snyder
is not subtle, and his soundtrackssometimes really capture the moment and sometimes it's

(58:07):
just a little too much. Ididn't like the soundtrack overall, but it's
about fucking time that the Cranberry zombieactually appeared in a zombie movie. I
feel like it's been long enough.But here's the thing. That song is

(58:30):
about two kids that died in abombing. Yeah, it's about the well
Ireland or Ireland. Yeah sorry yeah, um, well it's it's the ira
AT bombing in Warrington, Northwest England. Yeah it's not Ireland, so um
you know that's that's the thing.It's like, Yes, the song uses

(58:52):
the word zombie, and I'm prettysure that's the only reason why Zack Snyder
used it. But like, thereal life things behind that song make it
a little weird for them to usethat in this context. I don't know
it was considering a nuke just wentoff, like right as they're playing the
song. I thought he used it, not necessarily because of it just containing

(59:15):
the word zombie, but also becauseit's about war and like, you don't
use nukes outside of war. ThatI thought that that worked for me.
But the truth is I usually likehis soundtrack work. I know it's heavy
handed, I have no problem admittingthat, but it usually works for me

(59:36):
in the context. So I don'tthink this was like his greatest soundtrack ever,
but I did like it. Thatwas the only song that really bothered
me. Truth to be told,it was about his Yeah, it was
about a subtle as a brick tothe face for most of the movie,
But most of it I was finewith. And I do like his soundtrack
in other movies too, even Hollelujahin you know Watchman when they're boning is

(59:57):
like, okay, whatever. Buthe does always need a rendition of a
song, yea, or like anacoustic version, right yeah yeah, But
like I'm a sucker for that stuffthough, So that works for me.
Yeah, that's fair that one zombieor the Cranberry Song was the only one
that really like stood out as anegative to me. But the rest of
it was fine. It was prettytypical Zack Snyder. Fair Yeah, from

(01:00:22):
a music perspective, like, that'sthat's what you get, is you get
Zack Snyder. You know that forthat one, that was no surprise.
Yeah, but you know, Idid enjoy it. So, speaking of
the end of the movie, sincewe're there the helicopter crash, right,
there's no way anyone would have survivedthis. First of all, they weren't

(01:00:42):
trapped in. The only persons trappedin was the pilot. Then she should
have been the only one. Butshe was also shot in her hand previously,
right, wasn't in her hand?I thought it was kind of unclear
where she actually got hit. Ithought it was like in her shoulder.
It was very unclear until like shelifts up her arm and it's only I
must have missed that. But thenlike, and so the entire like third

(01:01:05):
act is about them going and savingthis person, right, the doctor or
the daughter going to save Then whenthe holicopter crash happens, she's gone.
Where is she? They don't evenshow her dead body. She's completely ignored.
Yeah, they don't follow up onthat at all. It's like,
we just spent the last twenty minutesdealing with this and it's supposed to be
a major plot point. Then she'sjust not there, Like did she die?

(01:01:28):
Did she live? What happened?Nobody even acknowledges anything, Like they
just ignore this whole plot point theyspend the last twenty minutes on that was
that was something. It was sloppy. I think that's my big problem with
this movie is that things were justsloppy. I get frustrated in general when
characters just continuously do the dumbest tropedecision all the time. Like it's okay

(01:01:53):
if you want to have like theone dumb character, right because you just
want to fit those horror trops,but like everybody does the dumb thing.
Yeah, and it's just so frustratingthat that happens when these movies take place
in a realistic world. Right,So you're telling me that Kate Ward has
never seen a horror movie. Forgetzombie movie for a minute. Let's say

(01:02:15):
she's never seen a zombie movie.You've never seen a horror movie before.
Stay with daughter, Yeah, yeah, stay with the freaking group. She
also promises that other chick that ifsomething happens that she'll take care of the
kids, and then she immediately abandonsthe kids. So yeah, it's that
she now has to try and findI guess, and bust out of where

(01:02:37):
with Like I mean, I don'tknow how much money is in those stacks.
I mean, I have no ideawhat twenty five grand I don't know,
but it's it's very The whole thingis very frustrating. You've got the
security guard who's really more like adouble agent who's there for a totally different
reason, but he's an asshole thewhole time. So you just hope he

(01:02:59):
dies and you're happy. Boy didhe die in a great way? Yeah,
but a very predictable way. Likeas soon as he said I hate
the tiger, you know, you'relike, okay, and me and my
girlfriend that we're watching the movie,and then she brought it up that anytime
anybody in a horror movie says thatthey hate something, that's how they're going
to die. I really wish theywould have switched it up and had it

(01:03:21):
be the horse, because like itwas, it was no I want to
see the horse like horses don't eatpeople regularly, tiger. And it's because
like it's a zombie horse, Likegive us that, Like he's scared of
this, this tiger this whole time. Give us a horse instead, Like

(01:03:42):
a zombie horse is pretty cool.But like the stuff that he does,
that security guard does doesn't even makesense most of the time. Why does
he get the first girl killed?Why because she pissed him off? That's
it. Doesn't trust him, that'sit. Because Okay, but like I
really dislike that it happened that wayand everything. But damn was she given

(01:04:11):
like a great scene to go out. She took down so many people and
I loved it. She should havedied there because there's like ten people all
standing around with there's four zombies onher, and they could have they could
have gone. They were just watchingher, because she really just watched her
and she didn't yell out, ohthat guy just backstabbed us nothing. You

(01:04:33):
know. They set her up todie three different times, and the time
she actually dies is the time whenshe has the most help around her.
Yeah, and it's unbelievable, veryvery frustrating. That annoyed me, Like
if you were gonna have basically theRipley of this movie like she could.
She was the highlight for me.I thought she was such a badass.
I would have loved to see moreof her. But yeah, then when

(01:04:55):
you set her out and now Imean sure, blowing up the gas can.
As soon as you saw him walkingthe gas can on the back,
you knew somebody, somebody was up. But that was a cool way,
and she didn't go out of theboom. But there's no reason why she
should have died there, and thatwas super So I have to point this
out. We're almost at the endof this and I have not gotten to

(01:05:15):
do this. There's a ton ofoverlap between this and Donna the Dead in
the most ridiculous, ridiculous things.Like first of all, we get Richard
Cheese. That man is not usedfor any soundtracks, but he is used
for Zack Snyder's two zombie films.We get zombie babies twice. I forgot

(01:05:45):
about that. It's done in twodifferent ways, but we get it.
We get a person, uh blowingup with Gaskins twice. Pain tank wasn't
dead, it was yeah, different, you know, the same purpose,
same exact kind of method. ThereUm, we get a giant circular saw.

(01:06:13):
Right, Well, it got usedin the opening montage here and that
was it. Um, we geta daughter watching her dad succumbed to zombieism,
so like it. It's not youknow, it doesn't take a film

(01:06:33):
students or professor to be like,oh, you know he puts dad daughter
relationships into a lot of it.Yeah, we know, but he puts
dad's dying in succumbing to zombieism inhis movie. So it's just the point

(01:06:53):
of this is a backslide from that, you know what I mean? In
my opinion, I think he havelearned and he's been It's been a lot
of years, right, He's improvedin a lot of ways. It would
have been nice to see that growthin this movie, and I don't think
we got to see that. Partof me just feels like he wanted Donna
the Dead to be pretty amazing becausehe didn't want to let George Romero down.

(01:07:17):
Because Donna the Dead and Night ofthe Living Dead are considered not just
two of the best zombie films,but two of the best horror films of
all time, and to do aremake of one of those is intense.
But you know, for this one, it really just looked like he wanted

(01:07:39):
to have fun. And I can'tsay that I wouldn't also do ridiculous shit
if somebody was like, here's youknow, ten million dollars, go make
a movie that you want to make. Yeah, I probably have a decent
amount of fun, especially coming offof a ridiculous, stressful situation like Justice

(01:08:02):
League was for him. Sometimes Ithink that a person can take on too
much to the detriment of a film. And this particular case, you know,
he wrote it, he directed it, he filmed it, He did
a lot of the editing work forit, he did a lot of the
soundtrack work for it, like heproduced it. You know, like this

(01:08:26):
is this is as Zack Snyder controlledas you can really get without him like
just doing it in his backyard,you know, with a personal camera.
And I think that that can betoo much because you can't there's no way
to step back and be objective whenyou're that deep in the project. It's
just not a thing that a personshould be able to do. And he's

(01:08:48):
just too deep into it. Andsome the know, there are some things
that worked. We talked about somestuff that we did, like it's not
like complete utter trash, you know, but I do think that it would
have been helped by having some othervoices around. So I do want to
say, like I'm looking at herpage, the actress that plays Chambers is

(01:09:12):
a crazy Yeah, she's a crazystunt woman. And she has been in
Wonder Woman, and she was inJustice League. She was in um Where
is a Man of Steel? Andshe just works with Snyder all this time.
She was an Amazon Justice League,wasn't she? Or or Wonder Woman?

(01:09:38):
And the Mortal Kombat Legacy that Iabsolutely love. She played Katana,
So, like I, I apparentlyhave adored this woman for a few years
and never even knew it. Stuntpeople don't get the credit that they deserve.
I think we've mentioned that before.Absolutely, Yeah, absolutely, Well,

(01:10:01):
guys, we're way over the hourmark here. Is there anything else
about this movie that we did nottouch on that you would like to discuss?
There's so many things that I stillhave problems with that we didn't talk
about, but I don't want.I could probably bitch about this movie for
another hour, honestly, but Ithink it's better for the internet. Just
know that if you're listening to thispodcast and you're out there going. Why

(01:10:21):
didn't they talk about this huge issuewith I probably have that same issue.
I just don't. We were outof time, so you can. You
can add me on Twitter. Weneed to spin off podcast called Ryan has
Issues. Oh my god, Iknow. That's brilliant, Rachel. We'll

(01:10:44):
get right on it. We'll getright on it, right Any anything else
that you want to talk about,No, I'm good, Okay, Eric,
anything you want to talk about,well, I guess that's it for
the discussion on Army of the Dead. If you saw it and you have
a different opinion, let us knowif you saw it the same opinion.
Hey, you could tell us thattoo, that's great too. But we
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Long story short, a minimum.I need a bit of a break for

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I need a onesie that says thatlike, you guys are ridiculous, an
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