April 7, 2021 • 50 mins
Episode 246: Falcon\Soldier Ep. 3 - Power Broker
It's all Falcon\Soldier this week as we dive deep into the series' third episode! We get a new city, returning character, a jailbreak, and more! So let's hit the ground running. Oh and we talk a little Loki at the tail end of the episode.
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It's all Falcon\Soldier this week as we dive deep into the series' third episode! We get a new city, returning character, a jailbreak, and more! So let's hit the ground running. Oh and we talk a little Loki at the tail end of the episode.
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You're listening to Screen Heroes. Hi, everybody, Welcome back to the Screen
Heroes podcast. I am your host, Derek, and I have with me
my two lovely longtime co hosts,Ryan Hello and Ray Hey Hey, hey
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hey. We are back. Thisweek. We are talking The Falcon and
the Winter Soldier episode three, PowerBroker, and with our new format,
we're just gonna like dive right intoit. We're gonna go right into the
nitty gritty. So this is yourspoiler warning for anything that's happened in the
Falcon, the Winter Soldier, anythingthat's happened in the MCU, all that
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kind of good stuff. You've beenwarned. There. You have it real
quick. Before we get started,though, I just want to plug our
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there. So you can come talkto us about cool stuff that we just
can't talk to talk to you abouton the show. Yeah, Rachel's been
posting some good memes this week,so she's given me a run for my
money. Get in there and checkthose out. I have purposely joins uh
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meme groups just to share shit inour group. Okay, yeah, dedication,
Yeah, yeah, I'm good withit. I'm good with it.
So all right, let's go.Let's let's dive in the Falcon in the
Winter Soldier Episode three. Where doyou guys want to start? Oh my,
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oh my, indeed. Okay,there's so many places. There are
so many places. Yeah, itis a little overwhelming based on just all
the crazy things we get to talkabout. I am liking each episode more
than the previous one. Seeing SharonCarterback, I was not too excited because
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I have thought she was a veryboring character from her first introduction. But
this is like the most interesting shehas been. I like that they acknowledge
the fact that she committed treason inorder to help Captain America and Falcon and
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the Winter Soldier, and because ofit, she's been living in Madriport.
That is a fictional country in SoutheastAsia that has a very intense, um
I guess division between the poor andthe Rich. Yeah, Sharon Carter was
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awesome, definitely, Hear and Zimowe're definitely the standouts of the episode for
me for sure. But we youknow, we talked about last week asking
if we were gonna to get aprison break episode. Um, that was
a little bold, I think.I think we're just all forgetting that this
is only six episodes. Yeah,so I would have been happy to get
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a full episode of that. Butit didn't didn't feel rushed for you guys
at all, like kind of thiswas too easy type of deal. It
definitely felt too easy. I'm definitelygonna say that, Like, even throughout
the whole episode, like a coupleof things go wrong, right, but
at the end of the day,it all felt really easy. The montage
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for the prison break, it feltvery Oceans eleven but condensed. Yeah,
you know, and I'm not sayingthat it's necessarily a bad thing because it's
not the focus. That's not reallywhat matters here. They just wanted to
get past it. But you know, it was just very clean. It
was a little too clean. Ithink, like I don't know, like,
why would why would Bucky understand thetiming of this exact prison that I
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didn't really buy, Like, Iget that he understands how to start a
fight psychologically, but it was justa little too perfect. Yeah, I
agree. Yeah, they kind ofhad to cut some old corners to make
that work within you know, theconfines of those six episodes show. I
think it didn't really detract a lotfor me from like the series as a
whole. But right, I wouldhave been really excited to watch like a
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Ocean's eleven type heist with all ofthem, you know, working together,
even though you know him isn't goingto be a part of it, because
there's no way he would condone thatkind of right thing. Yeah, well,
I don't know. I mean,he ends up on board with the
plan, not after a lot ofconvincing. Yeah, but would he would
he be on board with the jailbreak? You know, I don't know.
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I don't know. I think itworks better that Bucky just went ahead and
did it. I agree, Yeah, that's fair. I think that that's
fine. I I mean I dohave questions about it though, you know,
like how did Bucky get the card, the key card into the book?
Yeah, yeah, that Zemo wasreading. I'm not entirely sure how
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that took place. I'm also alittle confused as to why there would be
a key card reader inside the cellof such a dangerous prisoner. You would
think he wouldn't be able to accessthe key reader from inside the cell,
right, Yeah, So there's acouple of like logistical things that I mean,
maybe it's a little nitpicky because againit's not the focus of the episode,
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but I feel like there were ifthey if the goal was like we
just have to get Zimo out ofjail, there was probably other ways to
do it that would have been cleaner, probably, But I mean it was
just like a little five minute snippetof a whole episode. So, truth
be told, I am super happythat they did it the way they did
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because of the fact that we gotmore Zimo in the prison and or outside
of the prison, and he wasjust, you know, he was pretty
phenomenal, Like he was a lotof fun to watch, and he was
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unexpected, and they gave us abetter Zimo character in less than an hour
than Civil War did in two hours. Yeah, I mean, to be
fair, Civil War was split,you know, between twenty different characters.
Oh my god. So it's toughtough to compete with that, but yeah,
I mean, Semo was by farthe standout of the episode, like
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I said with Sharon, but yeah, I mean we there. It did
raise a few questions, things thatdon't really line up with the Baron Zimo
that we know from Civil War,and I think that's just gonna be how
it is, and we're just gonnahave to accept it. And that's fine.
It's not. It's nothing that's likeuniverse breaking or anything. But yeah,
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I mean, and seeing the maskcome out was pretty cool. But
I feel like it's just that waslike a one off nod to comic fans
and that he might not wear thatanymore. But I guess we'll see.
I hope he does. Does Iimagine he will because it it looks like
just he wears it during fight sequencesand maybe it ends up being bulletproof or
something like that, you know,and that's why he wears it. He
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wears it during fight sequences because thatway they can put a studman in there.
Of course, notice how he likefights and moves so differently when he's
wearing the mask. Yeah, yeah, anymore, I can appreciate that.
Though. It's certainly a nice fixand we don't have to worry about someone
who looks clearly different. Well,I mean, they wouldn't do that.
They would just have the actor doit, and it would probably be much
more poorly done. You know.Sharon though, her fight scene was actually
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pretty great, even with the factthat it seemed like she was doing a
lot of it herself and it wasn'ta stunt person, right, And it
felt very that whole that whole sceneand then the you know, chase scene
or the scene when they like killthe I don't know what was her name,
the person that was they were meetingin madropor and have to you know,
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the bounty goes out to every everybodyin the whole city or whatever.
X. Yeah, Selby. Thatwas super john Wick. Like everything about
this episode felt very john Wick becausejohn Wick people were involved in this episode,
and they're involved in the whole series, but a lot of it was
this episode. Going back to thatscene. So in the bar, right,
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and you've got Sam playing smiling tigerand he's got to take that shot.
It's got like, you know,snake venom or whatever in it,
and like, I just I lovethat so much because, like I felt
what he was going through in thatmoment of like he knows he has to
take this shot. He doesn't havea choice, He's got to do it,
but he really doesn't want to.And it takes a few tries,
(09:16):
and I kept waiting for the bartenderto like have a problem with how long
it was taking. You know,I'm sure that was on purpose, but
I really enjoyed that scene. Ithought it was really fun, you know,
smiling Tiger. If I'm not mistaken, is the hero or a character
in the comic books not necessarily ahero that is in the Thunderbolts. I
(09:37):
think isn't know what they're called.Yeah, Rachel, you know much more
than I you. Isn't Zimo inthat group? Also? Yes, So
there's there's, you know, alot of theories, and I think you
brought it up before, Rachel two, that the Thunderbolts are going to be
a part of this or like comeout of this in the end um So
this kind of lent some credence tothat theory. The existence and uh continue
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addition to the fact that there arevillains that we are I guess like just
connecting with, Like there are somesuper bad evil guys out there that we're
just not into but they're also thoselike ghosts from Aunt Man and the Wasp
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that you know, she's not reallybad, but she's character. Yeah,
leads me to believe that the Thunderboltsare coming down the pipeline and Zimo is
actually the leader of the Thunderbolts,so he could definitely continue outside of this.
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Pretty maybe we'll get a whole Thunderboltsshow announcement once, like we're a
tease at the end of the show. A show, a um a movie
something. Yeah, pretty crazy.I can't imagine that the show would be
better. Yeah, I just Idon't know. I can't imagine that Emi
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is just going to be left walkingaround. Well, who they might not
leave him walking around, but he'salready had opportunities to escape, So I
mean, what's the who's the thingthat he won't get more of those?
He had like four of them inthis episode alone. And you know,
the we've seen with Hydra that thethey have people in the government. We
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don't know if there's somebody high enoughto execute a part in on his behalf.
I still think Wakanda is gonna wanthim. Well, I mean,
the end of this episode kind ofproves that that is one hundred percent true.
But that doesn't mean that they'll gethim. Yeah. Not everybody always
gets what they want. Derek.I agree. I guess my point is
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doing a show like that while Wakandais chasing him, I just I don't
know if that would really work outthat well. But okay, whatever.
Well there's also the Waconda show that'scoming up as well, so that could
also be connected in some way.True, very true. So yeah,
so they get their their bounty ontheir heads for not for everyone thinking that
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they killed that that one woman SelbySelby, thank you, um and man,
everybody in Madroport is a horrible shot, really bad. Thank God for
that, or there wouldn't be mucha show. I was not expecting that
to be said, Derek. Iknow you played cyberpunk. Did this city
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not give you Night City vibes?Big time? Oh? It is such
a cyber punkah town. Yeah,and I love it. I always feel
a little weird when cyberpunk towns arealways Asian towns, but then, um,
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it's not, you know, Ibrush that off because it's not always
that. It's you know, NewYork has been painted like that, and
it's just because of the anime there'sbeen a lot of Asian influence in a
cyberpunk as well as you know,just the fact that Tokyo itself and Hong
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Kong kind of feel like cyberpunk cityit is by theirselves. I think Blade
Runner has a lot to do withthat too. Blade Runner Cyberpunk on like
the mainstream map in the United States, it's a lot of people that's their
first thought is what we got ablade Runner. But in this one,
like this, mag Report reminded mea lot of the ship of the video
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game Cyberpunk because in the video gamethere's like all you know, these different
districts that are you know, they'restylized fairly differently. You've got different types
of building structures and different kinds ofpeople live there that do different things.
This felt very much like that becauseyou kind on a smaller scale, because
you kind of had like the uptownin the down town. Yeah, lots
of high right town find very similar. The way the lighting is done,
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it's extremely similar. Yeah, Iwant to see more Mad Report in the
MCU, even if it's not inthe show, it's it's probably the one
other than with Condac, probably oneof the most intriguing, like locales we've
seen, and I think that's becausethey get the opportunity to be creative with
the way these are design because they'renot real cities are real countries, you
know. Um, so yeah,I want to see more. I would
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watch a whole series just about thecity city or is in a country?
No, it's a city, okay, I mean one of the good things.
So you know, in Marvel,most of the cities are real,
right, you know, Spider Man'sin New York and everything like that.
They don't get a chance to dothis often, and they're really good at
it, you know. The twotimes that they've really been able to do
it, they're they're great. Andso yeah, I hope we get to
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see more of it too. Absolutely, I'm embarrassed at times because I'm not
like, since I'm not actively inschool, I forget a lot of my
geography lessons. And so there havebeen sometimes in Marvel or DC movies where
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they mentioned a fictional place or areal place and I'm like, Okay,
is it real? Is it fake? So yeah, I don't think about
it. I don't know geography ofthis of my own country, let alone
the whole world. So yeah,anyway, getting back to the top of
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your hand. I actually think SharonCarter is gonna be working for the power
Broker. I think she is thepower Broker. I love both of those
theories because again, it makes herten times more interesting than useless a love
interest in Winter Solder and uh,you know, kind of helpful country trader,
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you know. So either way,I think it would be great if
she was a part of that.I definitely think after this episode, especially
you know, when she gets pickedup at the end of her bit for
this, I think she is thepower Broker. She talks a lot about
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how she was not dusted that youknow, she was around for those five
years and had to figure out whatto do. And she's clearly gained a
lot of skills. We don't getto see a lot of her and went
her soldier to know what kind offighter she is, but she is a
very good fighter. Now, she'sclearly got a lot of money, she's
got a ton of protection, she'sgreat with a rifle, and so I
think that she's worked her way up. And she already knew about the super
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Soldier serum because of Steve she undershe knew about that whole project. She
would have had more knowledge on italso because of her aunt. Yeah,
absolutely so. I just feel likeshe would have been in the know more
than a lot of external people anyway. And you combined all of that together
and I think, you know,she didn't intend for her signs to get
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killed, but I think she's definitelyusing Sam and Bucky to try and get
her stuff back. Do you thinkAunt Peggy would would approve of what what's
happening right now? What like whatSharon's doing? Yeah, now I don't,
Yeah, banging, that's such aweird. That's a weird thing.
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Now, Ryan, you think thatshe's not the power broker but she's working
for the power broker? Absolutely,Yeah, Okay, I think that.
I mean, there's that phone callthat she gets on the way to the
her ride out from the docks orwhatever that was. Um, I don't
think that what she was saying itis something that the power broker would be
saying. It sounded more like shewas reporting to somebody. Um, so
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interesting. I think she's working forthe power broker. I would be okay
with it if she was, butit seems a little rushed to you know,
make this ORDI established character into thePower Broker, it's taught it.
I mean it was only be rushedfor what we've seen on screen, but
with the time jump, they cankind of do whatever they want. Well
yeah, I mean it would berushed for just a random new actor to
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show up playing the Power Broker too, But it's just kind of a weird
jump of character. And why wouldshe want to be like allowed to come
back into the United States, youknow, and get get pardoned for all
her shit if she was the PowerBroker and like had built this entire thing
up in this other I don't.I don't think she does. I think
she was just using that as aplausible excuse to make a deal with Sam
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and Bucky. She's really just usingthem. I don't think she really has
that interest. Gotcha. Now Chat'sinteresting. So Chat thinks that, well
two things, So let's start withthe first one. The first one is
that the Power Broker is Thunderbolt Ross. Oh what do you think of that?
Done right? I kind of likethat too? So old though.
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Yeah, So honestly, I thinkI'm still holding out on the fact that
him could be Red Hulk eventually,and especially in the Hulk show. Well,
there you go. He's he's thepower Broker, but like Ryan said,
he's kind of old. So hetakes a new serum that's supposed to
help, you know, lengthen hislife, and that's how he becomes Red
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Hulk. Now the power Broker islike top dollar drug dealer, Like he's
not taking his own stuff or anythingelse that's super experimental could take in a
different direction. Come on, comeon, I am curious to Ryan,
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why do you think Thunderbolt Ross istoo old to be the power Broker.
I don't know if he's too old, he's just not you know, the
power broker is supposed to be threatening. Um, you know, he's like
this power guy that holds power overthis whole city. Whiteman are not threatening.
They don't control anything. List justbecause they control things doesn't make them
threatening. I'm not scared of mostof the old white men that control things.
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Like you know, you're in aplace. You're in a place of
mercenaries and bounty hunters, and theseare bad people. This is not the
United States of America. This isa place where these are people that are
actually doing like crimes, not notlike you know, manipulating the stock market,
like they're going out and killing peopleand fucking people up. So I
have to be somebody that is intimidating, right, Um, I don't know.
(20:32):
Maybe not. Maybe it's just hislike peons that are intimidating and he
just runs the show. He's gotall these lackeys that do that. Are
you know, they're to scare people. But I don't know. It would
be cool. I'd be cool,okay with it. I think it would
be cool. But I don't knowthat he's like scary enough to really ploff
powerbroker. We'll see that. MaybeI'm wrong. Fair enough, fair enough.
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Um. Now, the other theoryand chat is that Sharon is just
a double agent for you know,the CIA or some other you know organization.
And I mean I think that that'ssomewhat likely at this point. I'm
the only reason I would think thatthat that wouldn't be the case is there's
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no nothing really in it for herto go and find the serums if her
whole job is to get to thepower Broker, right, Like, why
why put herself on the line forthe crum if she's supposed to be watching
the power broker, if she's alreadyworking for the power broker, then getting
involved with Sam and Bucky is justa really bad way to blow her cover.
Right. Plus the double like doubleagent shit is getting a little tired
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in the Marble Universe at this point, at least for me. I mean,
I'm not saying that that's not possible. It's entirely possible. I mean,
and and maybe they can play itoffer really well, but we've just
seen so much shit with people sayingthey're one thing and then they're another thing,
and it's supposed to be some bigreveal, and it's like, I
mean, just like a Quicksilver inone division, right, that wasn't really
them. That was one of thefans that were that made that a thing.
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But that's just another exampull of themdoing that. There's countless other ones
in all the movies. And Imean the entirety of Hydra pretending to be
Shield. You know. Yeah,I don't think it's fair to put the
Quicksilver thing on the fans, becausethe writers did that very well, and
the Cat people did that very unperfect. Even the people that wrote it,
wrote the captions, that wrote Fox'sQuicksilver, you know, when he first
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shows up. Yeah, that's Idon't think that's on the fans. I
think that was we did what theywanted us to do. We didn't just
make something up. It's true.But anyway, so that's where we are.
I guess those are our theories.If you have any of your own
theories about who the power broker is, you know before we find out.
For all we know, we findout in episode four, so you know
you have until then let us know, right, you can comment on any
(22:44):
of our posts. You can,you know, join our group or hit
us up on Facebook, at theScreen Heroes podcast, or I'm just gonna
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nine zero three thousand and seven.You know what comment If you do that,
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what you say, will actually justplay it on the show as long as
(23:07):
it's not like deeply offensive. Sothere are things I Am not going to
allow be said on this show.But if you have a legitimate question or
comment or theory about about the MCUhere, let us know and we will
plug that into the episode and thenwe will discuss it. So there you
go. There was some stuff inthis episode that and you know, I
(23:32):
don't know if you guys remember therumors that they had to cut a plot
line out of this show due toCOVID, like there was The rumor was
that there was a plot line thatwas very similar to like what's happening in
the world with COVID and that sothey had to cut it out because of
the released time of the show,And there were some hints in this episode.
There were some hints in this episodeof that definitely is a thing,
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and in the previous episodes when youkind of put things together, like an
episode I think it was episode twowhen Bucky first meets the Flagsmasher girl Um
and he's talking about the vaccines inthe back of the truck. Um.
And then in the in this episodeyou see Um the what's her name,
I want to use her actual name, but the girl is like the leader
(24:14):
of the Flagsmashers. She goes andvisits her mom, and her mom is
actually like not just an extra likethis actress if you look it up,
She's actually like done a lot ofwork, and so she was clearly brought
on for more than this role thatshe was given. Um and the and
her speech Carly's speech or like hertalking during this that part of the episode,
(24:40):
like her mouth was entirely covered andit sounded different. There's several spots
where you could tell the audio waslike different. Yeah, it was that
one. And then there was onewhere in the lab with Sharon Um where
they cut there was a really awkwardcut in, like you could hear the
way the echo changed a little bitin her voice and it was on the
back of her head instead of herface the camera was, And there's been
(25:04):
there was a few cuts like thatthat make me go, that make me
think that that's definitely there was somecredence to that because her mom definitely has
a disease of some kind. Andeven the guy, the scientist in that
lab, he has a line toowhere it sounds like it was a dr
in where they changed the disease liketuberculosis or something like that, And again
(25:26):
it cut off of his face forthat line, even though the rest of
the line was the rest of whathe was saying was up in his face.
So yeah, I just thought thatwas interesting that it seems like there
was definitely a plot line that hadto be cut because it was too similar
to real life. That is interesting. I mean, they definitely had filming
issues anyway, because they had severaldelays. They had to stop filming a
(25:47):
couple of different times, and soI didn't know they were changing any of
the story because of that. Butit's certainly it was probably a secondary storyline.
I'm sure it was not something thatwas super relevant like to the overall
storyline. Right, it's a goodpoint. You want to take a break.
Oh sure, yeah, let's wecan go ahead and take a break.
When we come back, I thinkwe should start talking about Carly Morgan
(26:11):
Thou and all of them. Soundgood. I'm good at it, all
right, and that's what we're gonnado. We will be right back.
Okay, we are back. Let'sdo this. So let's let's talk Carly
Morgan Thou and their whole thing.So up until this point, you know,
they're they're clearly antagonists, but toa degree, they've been sympathetic,
(26:33):
right. They they're the ones whowere around during those five years. They
liked that the borders had come downand the world had come together and you
know, just tried to help everybody. And now things are going back.
The walls are coming up, peopleare being displaced. You know, people
don't have well, the episode startswith a commercial for reintegrating the worlds getting
(26:55):
it backs are That commercial felt veryone division, a weird. It didn't
fit the tone of this show.It's not that I didn't dislike it necessarily,
but I just I felt like itdidn't fit the tone of what we
have in this show. Like itworked really well in wand Division, but
because it's like it's episode three andit's the first one, it just felt
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a little jarring. Yeah, itwas a little weird, but I mean
it was It felt like like avery real commercial that you could see on
TV today, And that's probably themost disturbing part of it, you know.
Yeah, I think for it tohave worked a little better for me,
it would have been just as simpleas like just pulling back from a
TV or something like that, thatlike a character is watching the commercial.
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You know, You've seen TV showsand movies do that before, rather than
it being like the commercials for theaudience, the commercials actually for the characters.
Right, I think that would havemade it feel a little more natural,
at least for me. Maybe itdidn't. It didn't bother me enough
to like, I don't know,it didn't script a whole episode fuel or
anything. For me in the beginning, it was it would have been better
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at the beginning or the very endlike they did it, because it would
have, I think interrupted the flowof the episode anywhere else, you know
what I mean. So what doyou think of that concept? Like this
organization that's you know, reintegrating theones, the missing, or however they're
they're termed. I think go ahead, Oh, I was just gonna say
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that commercial comes off as disingenuous tome. So this group, while it
sounds like you know, just aboutanything else in America where on the surface
it has such a pleasant, wonderfulsounding mission and name, but you dig
a little deeper and it's you know, a little nefarious and you know,
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that's kind of how it was.They may be helping people, but they're
also stockpiling resources that can go topeople who don't have any. So it's
I want to know more about it, but my initial judgment isn't good,
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right, and you're definitely not supposedto feel good about them, right pretty
sure? Like you know, rightright after that commercial, they immediately smash
cut to like police Force with theirlogo on the side with John Walker cap
going you know, busting into abuilding and saying, we don't even let
them breathe, which is really relevantright now with the trial that's going on
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and the things that have happened inthis country in the past year. And
maybe they didn't think I would.I wouldn't have thought they would put that
line in the show. But theycouldn't have known some of the things that
were going to happen, you knowwhat I mean. Oh, absolutely,
it's incredibly you know, just it'sdisheartening because of how realistic it is.
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You know, what does a reliefgroup need with a police force, right
and Captain America with combat gear andyou know, giant bulletproof shields and no,
well, here to your point rightabout Captain America, I think it
would have worked with Steve because wouldhave legitimately been there to help, just
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like the World War two World Warpropaganda that he did, right Like,
you know, he's he's trying toraise money for you know, war bonds
and things like that, and hedid great with that. You know,
it is I think he has apurpose for sure. It is kind of
fun how they're showing the two differentsides to it. You know, both
of the captains started out by beinga symbol as for propaganda pro America kind
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of stuff. And in the nineteenforties it's all yay America, this is
so exciting, and now it's like, oh, this doesn't feel right,
So yeah, it does not feelgood. Well, there is a big
difference because you know, Steve's Capwas put against you know, the Knots
and Hydra, and you know historyhas shown how how you know, the
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Nazis are used as the bad guys, and a lot of fiction over the
years, it's kind of that's that'san easy one to throw out there.
That's usually not controversial to put thoseguys as the bad guys. Whereas new
Cap, you know, Russell Cap, he's We've already seen him be a
jerk. We've already seen him bendand even break codes that we would not
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want Captain America to cross. Andthis episode's no different, right. He's
overly aggressive, he's rude, he'sinsulting um, and he's got this entire
massive elite force behind him at thesame time, which just makes it even
harder because that one dude, goodor bad, the guts that guy has
to say, you know what hedid to Cap when he knows that anybody
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could just put a bullet in hishead. Dude's got guts for sure.
Yeah, and seeing him get getsspit in the face, Uh, you
know, and I knew that wasgonna send him into a rage. I
thought that was great. So we'reI think we're definitely seeing some of the
things that are going to lead usto see US Agent versus CAP. I
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wouldn't surprise I be surprised if hiscostume changes from blue to black by the
end of the series. Yeah,yep, I agree. See, I
don't know. Part of me thinksthey might steer just really hard into this
whole concept and even make him brighter, red, white, and blue,
because you know, to kind ofshow that point of he doesn't see himself
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as the villain, and a lotof people don't see him as the villain,
even though he really is. Wellin the comics, it was it
wasn't really his choice. The governmenttook that title away from him, and
you know, after I think hebrutally murdered somebody or something on those lines.
So you know, it wouldn't surpriseto me if they did the same
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thing in the show. In thecomics, the US Government's also not as
corrupt as it is in real life. That's true. We don't really know
the state of the government in theMCU at this point, given that you
know, it was completely infiltrated byHydra at one point and then you have
the blip, so we don't reallyknow how stable it is or who's really
(33:16):
in charge. We don't know nonsLike we haven't really seen a president since
iron Man three. To be completelyhonest, it's a little weird that,
like, after going through the blip, we still don't like we didn't really
get to see world leaders in anyreal capacity, you know, like the
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Civil War was the last time wesaw any world world leaders. We like,
we were so focused on which heroeswere dusted that you know, we
didn't even really think about which worldleaders were. Yeah, true and so
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and it's also again it's been fiveyears, so we just we have no
idea who's in charge or what thegovernment looks like. Um, And it
could be a total mess. Itcould be a disaster. It could be
one of those things where things looknice and it's just a code of paint,
but everything's you know, falling apartunderneath. Sure, Yeah, I
could definitely be that so while CarlyMorgan thou is stealing and killing you know,
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people, it also could just bea lot worse than what we know.
H Well, so she you know, again going kind of going back
to a little bit earlier, andwe were talking about like her people were
kind of sympathetic in the first twoepisodes. You felt for them. You
might not agree with with their methods, of course, but you felt for
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you know, where they were comingfrom. And now she blows up a
building with people inside, some ofwhom appeared to be civilians. But I
could be wrong. No, Ithink you're right. And then I think
that that that totally pushes her overto the other side. And you know,
yeah, her her colleague or whateverdidn't know that was going to happen.
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But he doesn't seem like super upsetabout it yet and maybe that's coming
later. But I thought he lookedgenuinely scared, scared of what Carly was
capable of, as well as justin fear for his own life, and
so he was just kind of likestunned. Interesting, But I think,
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you know, they're going to developthat relationship just a little bit more,
and they have all of the powerBroker serum at this point, right,
isn't that what they well, that'swhat they implied. It looked like there
was some there was like an emphasisput on some of the vials on the
lab, but it caught on fire. So I'm wondering if maybe Baron Zimo
grabbed something some vials on the wayout, and maybe that's how John Walker's
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going to get it from a dealwith Zemo or something like that. I
thought the scientists said that they hadstolen everything he did, but I mean
that doesn't mean he had, butdidn't have like some untested or like early,
you know, earlier versions that weremaybe not as refined or something like
that still there, and that couldhighlight the effect that, you know,
John Walker's an asshole, and sonow he's more of an asshole because they
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said with the original super Soldiers here, um, it highlighted your you know
what you are. And he saidthat he had fixed that basically and made
it a more perfect formula. Somaybe one of the older formulas, because
there was a shot that didn't needto be there showing like vials of a
liquid. That's sure. So goingback to him, the scientists talking about
(36:35):
how he's changed the formula, Ireally liked that bit of exposition because it
helps write away why these flag smashers, Yeah, they're regular people, you
know. And Carly Morgenthau, forexample, it's just she's a normal looking
person, but she's got this superstrength. It's a nice it's not a
throwaway line. I don't want tosay that, but it's a nice bit
(36:58):
of exposition that saw avolves that question. Yeah, that was smart. I
agree. I'm with you on that. Yeah, I agree too. All
right, for people that are listeningand you hear dog noises and stuff.
We just adopted a dog and Ihave been trying to keep an eye on
them with our other dog, andso you hear a lot of dog noises
(37:21):
in the background. So I'm sorryabout that, and I keep using myself
because of it. So now,so chat suggesting that those other vials that
we were seeing, that's what endsup becoming the Red Hulk formula. That
definitely could be. I mean,you know, when you have a random
scientist that's developing things that modify humans, that's an easy, like storytelling method
(37:42):
to pull out anything like that.I mean, maybe they didn't even have
that in mind, but they could, you know, during the she Hulk
series, pull that out and belike, oh that we stole this from
the Scientist, you know, orEO got this from the Scientist and Madge
Report. Yeah and yeah, soeveryone who didn't watch this to be like,
what's mad Report? And we're gonnabe like, oh, exactly basically
(38:05):
how the entire goes, right,Yeah, for people that haven't watched everything,
you don't watch something, you endup missing it, but you know,
hopefully it doesn't ruin the entire thingfor you. Fair enough, fair
enough, So let's see. Sookay, so Zebo himself, you know,
Ryan mentioned that he had a fewopportunities to escape, but he doesn't.
(38:30):
And I gotta be honest, atleast the time when they're with all
the shipping containers, I legit thoughthe was gonna be gone. Did you
think he was going to be back? Did you think he was really leaving?
Because I did. Well, Ithink his whole purpose in the MCU
right now, or at least it'sset up by this episode, is to
get rid of superpowered individuals, rightLike, they make that pretty clear.
So Falcult or Soldier are the bestleads that he has to finding the flag
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smashers that have taken this formula andthat currently have all of the super soldier
serum that's known to exist. SoI think that's why he's not really running
away. And I didn't really expecthim to run away, because they've made
it clear that that's his intention,you know what I mean. Once he's
used them to his to the endof what he intends to do or like
(39:16):
to further his means as far ashe can go, that he'll leave.
Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. I guess I just kind of assume.
But the scientists dead, knowing thatthe serum's not there, and knowing
that he's the one with the airplanethat you know, he might be just
as fine on his own at thispoint. Heads are better than one,
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I guess. Yeah, But Iwouldn't you know it, Maybe he might.
He might end up leaving and goingto like I mentioned John Walker getting
the formula from him, you know, potentially that might be how you know,
maybe he leaves them because they're notdoing enough work and finding things fast
enough, and so he goes tothis other team that's also looking for the
same people and works with ev instead. He's he's he's the kind of guy
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that will do that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's fair. Ray,
any other thoughts on that, No, not really, I Zemo was you
know, he's a villain. He'sout for himself, and right now his
goals align with Bucky and Sam,So that's why he's like on our side
(40:24):
for right now. Oh but yeah, but also the goals aligned with John
Walker and Battlestar absolutely those people.So yeah, he could easily go either
way. Yeah, everything's going tocome to a head eventually. Well,
he may even see an advantage toworking with Russell because if he works with
Captain America and helps the US governmenttrack down these terrorists, maybe you know,
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they'll help him out from a legalstandpoint and he can just be Scott
free, like you know Ray mentionedearlier in the episode. Yeah, maybe,
I mean that's entirely possible, right, Like, it's not that he
can't escape, it's not that hecan't continue to run. But why would
you want to write if you couldavoid it, if you could just end
up being free, maybe that's whatyou try and do, and he could
hide, you know, in theUS or something. Yeah, if someone's
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going to give you amnesty, whynot take it? So I could see
him you know, flip flopping backand forth to just about any side.
Whatever is going to work for himfor sure. Now, at the tail
end of the episode, we getthe reintroduction of Wakonda with Ao. What
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do you think that's all about?Well, first of all, I love
the way it popped up. Ilove that Bucky just notices something different in
the way everything looks. And thenwe see these like little balls and we're
not entirely sure what they are.This is the first time that they've really
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been upfront. And then we seeAo and the alley and she's immediately like,
I've come for Zemo. It wasa really fun way to bring her
into this. It was a coolentrance. Yeah, Ryan, it's cute.
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If you watch the corner of thescreen you can occasionally see dog ears
pop up because it's huge years.But yeah, I mean, what I
liked about this ending was that itwasn't like WandaVision, where like every ending
you're like, oh my gosh,we got to talk about for the next
you know, seven days, what'sgoing what does it mean? Yeah,
it was very clear what's gonna happen. It's it's a cool character to see.
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It's something that's not necessarily in themewith the rest of the show.
I mean, you're not. Wakandais a very different theme, but it's
important to the story here, soum, but we're not really going to
speculate on what's happening that much,probably because it's pretty clear what they want,
you know. I just love thatevery character we have here has their
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own motivations, and easily they couldbe one or another. They could be
corrupted, they could be gray,they could be completely pure and genuine.
So it's we're coming for really coolshowdowns. Like that's what they're building up
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to. Just some fun, awesomefight scenes and really wealth choreograph dialogue and
it's all just gonna be pretty interestingwhen it comes to a head. That's
what I'm here for, right,Like cool, but I'm here for the
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well choreographed fight scenes, you know, Like that's what I want to see
superheroes fighting. That's what Ryan's about. Yeah, anything else lot division was
great, don't get me wrong,But I mean this is what Marvel is
for me. That's fair. Butlike, I mean, come on,
Like, you know, Bucky wasthe White Wolf. He spent two years
in Wakanda. He knew that thiswas going to happen, right, This
was part of his plan. It'svery possible he knew, yeah, right,
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like my thought processes, he didthis knowing that somebody, maybe he
didn't know Ao specifically, but heknew somebody from Wakanda was gonna show up,
and that would be kind of likehis backup in case things went sideways
potentially. Yeah. I mean,do you guys, have they brought up
the White Wolf moniker already in theshow? Do you think that they're gonna
like explore that further, like makehim an actual Obviously he's gonna We talked
(44:38):
about this a little bit, youknow. I do you think he's gonna
stay the Winter Soldier or are theygonna like translate him into another title but
still playing the role of kind ofso I think he's still the White Wolf.
I think that he's been working forWakanda this entire time, since coming
back, since endgame, he's beencontinuing to work for Conda, because you
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know, he did spend a lotof time there and they made it very
clear that he was always welcome there, and you know, this this list
going through the amends and everything isimportant to him on a personal level.
But he could hide away in Wakondaforever if he wanted to, and I
think the only reason he's not isbecause he is on a mission for Wakonda,
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and maybe the Zemo thing wasn't partof that. I don't think that
was necessarily part of the plan.But I think he's definitely still the White
Wolf, and that's why they keeptabs on him, which is why he
knew that he would have some Wakondabackup if he did break out Zemo.
Yeah. I mean, I wouldbe totally on board if that's the way
it went. So fingers crossed.I hadn't actually thought about that point,
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that maybe he's been working for Wakondothis whole time, but I would love
that if that came to be thething. I agree. I'm on board
with that. Woo. You guysliked my idea. You guys don't like
my idea? First time in twoepisodes? Uh? Anyway, mark this
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down, momentums, occasional market dude, what else? What else we got
on this one? Anything else inthis episode you think is worth discussing.
I think we've covered pretty much everything. I think so I think so well,
we have a little bit of time. Do you guys want to talk
about the Lokey trailer or anything likethat to kind of tack on something here
at the end, Loki trailer looksgood. I'm heaven a lot of fun
(46:30):
little feelings about that one pop up. It's gonna be really interesting. Again,
we're crossing into territory that Marvel hasnever touched before with like the constant
time travel, So that'll be alot of fun. And Tom Hitelson just
(46:51):
sells Loki to us like no otherperson could. I really wouldn't want anybody
else in the role at this point. Yeah, honestly I didn't. I
watched the trailer, but you know, I was kind of in the corner
at work trying to hide and notget caught, so I didn't get to
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spend a lot of time doing anin depth dive into it or anything.
From what I saw it looked atyou. It's gonna be cool. I'm
definitely excited about it. So,oh, Wilson actually looks, like he
said, in an enjoyable role.So that's your first time for everything.
I guess I like Owen Wilson.Most of his films are not really for
me, but I like him,and so I'm looking forward to seeing him
in something that that I'm excited about. There are some fun moments in the
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trailer though, like you there's there'sthe scene where Loki has to sign off
on a document that's literally everything he'sever said, and then he replies and
it prints off another piece of paper. You like signed this too. It
just really made me laugh because youknow, Loki is a loquacious fellow,
and so that's got to be apretty thick file, you know. Well,
it loves a very thick file,we saw, So I'm looking forward
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to that. And I am asaw for time travel multiverse type stuff.
I love alternate realities and I'm reallylooking forward to them playing around with all
of them. You also love tocomplain about things that don't make sense,
so time travel never makes sense inanything. Some get it slightly better than
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others. No, I think youcan sit there and find holes in every
time travel thing. Ever. Wellwe'll have to have a conversation about that
at some point then. But youknow, look, some time travel stuff
is tighter than others. I thinkI said that endgame does an okay job
at it, but they made ita little more convoluted than it needs to
(48:40):
be, but I'm looking forward tothis. I still enjoyed all the time
travel end game. I'm not.It doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the film
or anything like that. No,no me either, you know. So
I'm looking forward to it, ButI mean, I guess that's about it.
Then. So next week we'll betalking about episode four of The Falcon
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So all right, let's go.Let's let's dive in the Falcon in the
Winter Soldier Episode three. Where doyou guys want to start? Oh my,
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oh my, indeed. Okay,there's so many places. There are
so many places. Yeah, itis a little overwhelming based on just all
the crazy things we get to talkabout. I am liking each episode more
than the previous one. Seeing SharonCarterback, I was not too excited because
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I have thought she was a veryboring character from her first introduction. But
this is like the most interesting shehas been. I like that they acknowledge
the fact that she committed treason inorder to help Captain America and Falcon and
(02:42):
the Winter Soldier, and because ofit, she's been living in Madriport.
That is a fictional country in SoutheastAsia that has a very intense, um
I guess division between the poor andthe Rich. Yeah, Sharon Carter was
(03:13):
awesome, definitely, Hear and Zimowe're definitely the standouts of the episode for
me for sure. But we youknow, we talked about last week asking
if we were gonna to get aprison break episode. Um, that was
a little bold, I think.I think we're just all forgetting that this
is only six episodes. Yeah,so I would have been happy to get
(03:37):
a full episode of that. Butit didn't didn't feel rushed for you guys
at all, like kind of thiswas too easy type of deal. It
definitely felt too easy. I'm definitelygonna say that, Like, even throughout
the whole episode, like a coupleof things go wrong, right, but
at the end of the day,it all felt really easy. The montage
(04:00):
for the prison break, it feltvery Oceans eleven but condensed. Yeah,
you know, and I'm not sayingthat it's necessarily a bad thing because it's
not the focus. That's not reallywhat matters here. They just wanted to
get past it. But you know, it was just very clean. It
was a little too clean. Ithink, like I don't know, like,
why would why would Bucky understand thetiming of this exact prison that I
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didn't really buy, Like, Iget that he understands how to start a
fight psychologically, but it was justa little too perfect. Yeah, I
agree. Yeah, they kind ofhad to cut some old corners to make
that work within you know, theconfines of those six episodes show. I
think it didn't really detract a lotfor me from like the series as a
whole. But right, I wouldhave been really excited to watch like a
(04:54):
Ocean's eleven type heist with all ofthem, you know, working together,
even though you know him isn't goingto be a part of it, because
there's no way he would condone thatkind of right thing. Yeah, well,
I don't know. I mean,he ends up on board with the
plan, not after a lot ofconvincing. Yeah, but would he would
he be on board with the jailbreak? You know, I don't know.
(05:15):
I don't know. I think itworks better that Bucky just went ahead and
did it. I agree, Yeah, that's fair. I think that that's
fine. I I mean I dohave questions about it though, you know,
like how did Bucky get the card, the key card into the book?
Yeah, yeah, that Zemo wasreading. I'm not entirely sure how
(05:38):
that took place. I'm also alittle confused as to why there would be
a key card reader inside the cellof such a dangerous prisoner. You would
think he wouldn't be able to accessthe key reader from inside the cell,
right, Yeah, So there's acouple of like logistical things that I mean,
maybe it's a little nitpicky because againit's not the focus of the episode,
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but I feel like there were ifthey if the goal was like we
just have to get Zimo out ofjail, there was probably other ways to
do it that would have been cleaner, probably, But I mean it was
just like a little five minute snippetof a whole episode. So, truth
be told, I am super happythat they did it the way they did
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because of the fact that we gotmore Zimo in the prison and or outside
of the prison, and he wasjust, you know, he was pretty
phenomenal, Like he was a lotof fun to watch, and he was
(06:42):
unexpected, and they gave us abetter Zimo character in less than an hour
than Civil War did in two hours. Yeah, I mean, to be
fair, Civil War was split,you know, between twenty different characters.
Oh my god. So it's toughtough to compete with that, but yeah,
I mean, Semo was by farthe standout of the episode, like
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I said with Sharon, but yeah, I mean we there. It did
raise a few questions, things thatdon't really line up with the Baron Zimo
that we know from Civil War,and I think that's just gonna be how
it is, and we're just gonnahave to accept it. And that's fine.
It's not. It's nothing that's likeuniverse breaking or anything. But yeah,
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I mean, and seeing the maskcome out was pretty cool. But
I feel like it's just that waslike a one off nod to comic fans
and that he might not wear thatanymore. But I guess we'll see.
I hope he does. Does Iimagine he will because it it looks like
just he wears it during fight sequencesand maybe it ends up being bulletproof or
something like that, you know,and that's why he wears it. He
(07:46):
wears it during fight sequences because thatway they can put a studman in there.
Of course, notice how he likefights and moves so differently when he's
wearing the mask. Yeah, yeah, anymore, I can appreciate that.
Though. It's certainly a nice fixand we don't have to worry about someone
who looks clearly different. Well,I mean, they wouldn't do that.
They would just have the actor doit, and it would probably be much
more poorly done. You know.Sharon though, her fight scene was actually
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pretty great, even with the factthat it seemed like she was doing a
lot of it herself and it wasn'ta stunt person, right, And it
felt very that whole that whole sceneand then the you know, chase scene
or the scene when they like killthe I don't know what was her name,
the person that was they were meetingin madropor and have to you know,
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the bounty goes out to every everybodyin the whole city or whatever.
X. Yeah, Selby. Thatwas super john Wick. Like everything about
this episode felt very john Wick becausejohn Wick people were involved in this episode,
and they're involved in the whole series, but a lot of it was
this episode. Going back to thatscene. So in the bar, right,
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and you've got Sam playing smiling tigerand he's got to take that shot.
It's got like, you know,snake venom or whatever in it,
and like, I just I lovethat so much because, like I felt
what he was going through in thatmoment of like he knows he has to
take this shot. He doesn't havea choice, He's got to do it,
but he really doesn't want to.And it takes a few tries,
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and I kept waiting for the bartenderto like have a problem with how long
it was taking. You know,I'm sure that was on purpose, but
I really enjoyed that scene. Ithought it was really fun, you know,
smiling Tiger. If I'm not mistaken, is the hero or a character
in the comic books not necessarily ahero that is in the Thunderbolts. I
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think isn't know what they're called.Yeah, Rachel, you know much more
than I you. Isn't Zimo inthat group? Also? Yes, So
there's there's, you know, alot of theories, and I think you
brought it up before, Rachel two, that the Thunderbolts are going to be
a part of this or like comeout of this in the end um So
this kind of lent some credence tothat theory. The existence and uh continue
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addition to the fact that there arevillains that we are I guess like just
connecting with, Like there are somesuper bad evil guys out there that we're
just not into but they're also thoselike ghosts from Aunt Man and the Wasp
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that you know, she's not reallybad, but she's character. Yeah,
leads me to believe that the Thunderboltsare coming down the pipeline and Zimo is
actually the leader of the Thunderbolts,so he could definitely continue outside of this.
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Pretty maybe we'll get a whole Thunderboltsshow announcement once, like we're a
tease at the end of the show. A show, a um a movie
something. Yeah, pretty crazy.I can't imagine that the show would be
better. Yeah, I just Idon't know. I can't imagine that Emi
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is just going to be left walkingaround. Well, who they might not
leave him walking around, but he'salready had opportunities to escape, So I
mean, what's the who's the thingthat he won't get more of those?
He had like four of them inthis episode alone. And you know,
the we've seen with Hydra that thethey have people in the government. We
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don't know if there's somebody high enoughto execute a part in on his behalf.
I still think Wakanda is gonna wanthim. Well, I mean,
the end of this episode kind ofproves that that is one hundred percent true.
But that doesn't mean that they'll gethim. Yeah. Not everybody always
gets what they want. Derek.I agree. I guess my point is
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doing a show like that while Wakandais chasing him, I just I don't
know if that would really work outthat well. But okay, whatever.
Well there's also the Waconda show that'scoming up as well, so that could
also be connected in some way.True, very true. So yeah,
so they get their their bounty ontheir heads for not for everyone thinking that
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they killed that that one woman SelbySelby, thank you, um and man,
everybody in Madroport is a horrible shot, really bad. Thank God for
that, or there wouldn't be mucha show. I was not expecting that
to be said, Derek. Iknow you played cyberpunk. Did this city
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not give you Night City vibes?Big time? Oh? It is such
a cyber punkah town. Yeah,and I love it. I always feel
a little weird when cyberpunk towns arealways Asian towns, but then, um,
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it's not, you know, Ibrush that off because it's not always
that. It's you know, NewYork has been painted like that, and
it's just because of the anime there'sbeen a lot of Asian influence in a
cyberpunk as well as you know,just the fact that Tokyo itself and Hong
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Kong kind of feel like cyberpunk cityit is by theirselves. I think Blade
Runner has a lot to do withthat too. Blade Runner Cyberpunk on like
the mainstream map in the United States, it's a lot of people that's their
first thought is what we got ablade Runner. But in this one,
like this, mag Report reminded mea lot of the ship of the video
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game Cyberpunk because in the video gamethere's like all you know, these different
districts that are you know, they'restylized fairly differently. You've got different types
of building structures and different kinds ofpeople live there that do different things.
This felt very much like that becauseyou kind on a smaller scale, because
you kind of had like the uptownin the down town. Yeah, lots
of high right town find very similar. The way the lighting is done,
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it's extremely similar. Yeah, Iwant to see more Mad Report in the
MCU, even if it's not inthe show, it's it's probably the one
other than with Condac, probably oneof the most intriguing, like locales we've
seen, and I think that's becausethey get the opportunity to be creative with
the way these are design because they'renot real cities are real countries, you
know. Um, so yeah,I want to see more. I would
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watch a whole series just about thecity city or is in a country?
No, it's a city, okay, I mean one of the good things.
So you know, in Marvel,most of the cities are real,
right, you know, Spider Man'sin New York and everything like that.
They don't get a chance to dothis often, and they're really good at
it, you know. The twotimes that they've really been able to do
it, they're they're great. Andso yeah, I hope we get to
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see more of it too. Absolutely, I'm embarrassed at times because I'm not
like, since I'm not actively inschool, I forget a lot of my
geography lessons. And so there havebeen sometimes in Marvel or DC movies where
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they mentioned a fictional place or areal place and I'm like, Okay,
is it real? Is it fake? So yeah, I don't think about
it. I don't know geography ofthis of my own country, let alone
the whole world. So yeah,anyway, getting back to the top of
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your hand. I actually think SharonCarter is gonna be working for the power
Broker. I think she is thepower Broker. I love both of those
theories because again, it makes herten times more interesting than useless a love
interest in Winter Solder and uh,you know, kind of helpful country trader,
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you know. So either way,I think it would be great if
she was a part of that.I definitely think after this episode, especially
you know, when she gets pickedup at the end of her bit for
this, I think she is thepower Broker. She talks a lot about
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how she was not dusted that youknow, she was around for those five
years and had to figure out whatto do. And she's clearly gained a
lot of skills. We don't getto see a lot of her and went
her soldier to know what kind offighter she is, but she is a
very good fighter. Now, she'sclearly got a lot of money, she's
got a ton of protection, she'sgreat with a rifle, and so I
think that she's worked her way up. And she already knew about the super
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Soldier serum because of Steve she undershe knew about that whole project. She
would have had more knowledge on italso because of her aunt. Yeah,
absolutely so. I just feel likeshe would have been in the know more
than a lot of external people anyway. And you combined all of that together
and I think, you know,she didn't intend for her signs to get
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killed, but I think she's definitelyusing Sam and Bucky to try and get
her stuff back. Do you thinkAunt Peggy would would approve of what what's
happening right now? What like whatSharon's doing? Yeah, now I don't,
Yeah, banging, that's such aweird. That's a weird thing.
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Now, Ryan, you think thatshe's not the power broker but she's working
for the power broker? Absolutely,Yeah, Okay, I think that.
I mean, there's that phone callthat she gets on the way to the
her ride out from the docks orwhatever that was. Um, I don't
think that what she was saying itis something that the power broker would be
saying. It sounded more like shewas reporting to somebody. Um, so
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interesting. I think she's working forthe power broker. I would be okay
with it if she was, butit seems a little rushed to you know,
make this ORDI established character into thePower Broker, it's taught it.
I mean it was only be rushedfor what we've seen on screen, but
with the time jump, they cankind of do whatever they want. Well
yeah, I mean it would berushed for just a random new actor to
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show up playing the Power Broker too, But it's just kind of a weird
jump of character. And why wouldshe want to be like allowed to come
back into the United States, youknow, and get get pardoned for all
her shit if she was the PowerBroker and like had built this entire thing
up in this other I don't.I don't think she does. I think
she was just using that as aplausible excuse to make a deal with Sam
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and Bucky. She's really just usingthem. I don't think she really has
that interest. Gotcha. Now Chat'sinteresting. So Chat thinks that, well
two things, So let's start withthe first one. The first one is
that the Power Broker is Thunderbolt Ross. Oh what do you think of that?
Done right? I kind of likethat too? So old though.
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Yeah, So honestly, I thinkI'm still holding out on the fact that
him could be Red Hulk eventually,and especially in the Hulk show. Well,
there you go. He's he's thepower Broker, but like Ryan said,
he's kind of old. So hetakes a new serum that's supposed to
help, you know, lengthen hislife, and that's how he becomes Red
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Hulk. Now the power Broker islike top dollar drug dealer, Like he's
not taking his own stuff or anythingelse that's super experimental could take in a
different direction. Come on, comeon, I am curious to Ryan,
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why do you think Thunderbolt Ross istoo old to be the power Broker.
I don't know if he's too old, he's just not you know, the
power broker is supposed to be threatening. Um, you know, he's like
this power guy that holds power overthis whole city. Whiteman are not threatening.
They don't control anything. List justbecause they control things doesn't make them
threatening. I'm not scared of mostof the old white men that control things.
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Like you know, you're in aplace. You're in a place of
mercenaries and bounty hunters, and theseare bad people. This is not the
United States of America. This isa place where these are people that are
actually doing like crimes, not notlike you know, manipulating the stock market,
like they're going out and killing peopleand fucking people up. So I
have to be somebody that is intimidating, right, Um, I don't know.
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Maybe not. Maybe it's just hislike peons that are intimidating and he
just runs the show. He's gotall these lackeys that do that. Are
you know, they're to scare people. But I don't know. It would
be cool. I'd be cool,okay with it. I think it would
be cool. But I don't knowthat he's like scary enough to really ploff
powerbroker. We'll see that. MaybeI'm wrong. Fair enough, fair enough.
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Um. Now, the other theoryand chat is that Sharon is just
a double agent for you know,the CIA or some other you know organization.
And I mean I think that that'ssomewhat likely at this point. I'm
the only reason I would think thatthat that wouldn't be the case is there's
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no nothing really in it for herto go and find the serums if her
whole job is to get to thepower Broker, right, Like, why
why put herself on the line forthe crum if she's supposed to be watching
the power broker, if she's alreadyworking for the power broker, then getting
involved with Sam and Bucky is justa really bad way to blow her cover.
Right. Plus the double like doubleagent shit is getting a little tired
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in the Marble Universe at this point, at least for me. I mean,
I'm not saying that that's not possible. It's entirely possible. I mean,
and and maybe they can play itoffer really well, but we've just
seen so much shit with people sayingthey're one thing and then they're another thing,
and it's supposed to be some bigreveal, and it's like, I
mean, just like a Quicksilver inone division, right, that wasn't really
them. That was one of thefans that were that made that a thing.
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But that's just another exampull of themdoing that. There's countless other ones
in all the movies. And Imean the entirety of Hydra pretending to be
Shield. You know. Yeah,I don't think it's fair to put the
Quicksilver thing on the fans, becausethe writers did that very well, and
the Cat people did that very unperfect. Even the people that wrote it,
wrote the captions, that wrote Fox'sQuicksilver, you know, when he first
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shows up. Yeah, that's Idon't think that's on the fans. I
think that was we did what theywanted us to do. We didn't just
make something up. It's true.But anyway, so that's where we are.
I guess those are our theories.If you have any of your own
theories about who the power broker is, you know before we find out.
For all we know, we findout in episode four, so you know
you have until then let us know, right, you can comment on any
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of our posts. You can,you know, join our group or hit
us up on Facebook, at theScreen Heroes podcast, or I'm just gonna
plug this one more time. Youcan leave us a voicemail nine three eight
nine zero three thousand and seven.You know what comment If you do that,
we'll actually play it. Yeah,we won't just like address it and
what you say, will actually justplay it on the show as long as
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it's not like deeply offensive. Sothere are things I Am not going to
allow be said on this show.But if you have a legitimate question or
comment or theory about about the MCUhere, let us know and we will
plug that into the episode and thenwe will discuss it. So there you
go. There was some stuff inthis episode that and you know, I
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don't know if you guys remember therumors that they had to cut a plot
line out of this show due toCOVID, like there was The rumor was
that there was a plot line thatwas very similar to like what's happening in
the world with COVID and that sothey had to cut it out because of
the released time of the show,And there were some hints in this episode.
There were some hints in this episodeof that definitely is a thing,
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and in the previous episodes when youkind of put things together, like an
episode I think it was episode twowhen Bucky first meets the Flagsmasher girl Um
and he's talking about the vaccines inthe back of the truck. Um.
And then in the in this episodeyou see Um the what's her name,
I want to use her actual name, but the girl is like the leader
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of the Flagsmashers. She goes andvisits her mom, and her mom is
actually like not just an extra likethis actress if you look it up,
She's actually like done a lot ofwork, and so she was clearly brought
on for more than this role thatshe was given. Um and the and
her speech Carly's speech or like hertalking during this that part of the episode,
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like her mouth was entirely covered andit sounded different. There's several spots
where you could tell the audio waslike different. Yeah, it was that
one. And then there was onewhere in the lab with Sharon Um where
they cut there was a really awkwardcut in, like you could hear the
way the echo changed a little bitin her voice and it was on the
back of her head instead of herface the camera was, And there's been
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there was a few cuts like thatthat make me go, that make me
think that that's definitely there was somecredence to that because her mom definitely has
a disease of some kind. Andeven the guy, the scientist in that
lab, he has a line toowhere it sounds like it was a dr
in where they changed the disease liketuberculosis or something like that, And again
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it cut off of his face forthat line, even though the rest of
the line was the rest of whathe was saying was up in his face.
So yeah, I just thought thatwas interesting that it seems like there
was definitely a plot line that hadto be cut because it was too similar
to real life. That is interesting. I mean, they definitely had filming
issues anyway, because they had severaldelays. They had to stop filming a
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couple of different times, and soI didn't know they were changing any of
the story because of that. Butit's certainly it was probably a secondary storyline.
I'm sure it was not something thatwas super relevant like to the overall
storyline. Right, it's a goodpoint. You want to take a break.
Oh sure, yeah, let's wecan go ahead and take a break.
When we come back, I thinkwe should start talking about Carly Morgan
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Thou and all of them. Soundgood. I'm good at it, all
right, and that's what we're gonnado. We will be right back.
Okay, we are back. Let'sdo this. So let's let's talk Carly
Morgan Thou and their whole thing.So up until this point, you know,
they're they're clearly antagonists, but toa degree, they've been sympathetic,
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right. They they're the ones whowere around during those five years. They
liked that the borders had come downand the world had come together and you
know, just tried to help everybody. And now things are going back.
The walls are coming up, peopleare being displaced. You know, people
don't have well, the episode startswith a commercial for reintegrating the worlds getting
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it backs are That commercial felt veryone division, a weird. It didn't
fit the tone of this show.It's not that I didn't dislike it necessarily,
but I just I felt like itdidn't fit the tone of what we
have in this show. Like itworked really well in wand Division, but
because it's like it's episode three andit's the first one, it just felt
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a little jarring. Yeah, itwas a little weird, but I mean
it was It felt like like avery real commercial that you could see on
TV today, And that's probably themost disturbing part of it, you know.
Yeah, I think for it tohave worked a little better for me,
it would have been just as simpleas like just pulling back from a
TV or something like that, thatlike a character is watching the commercial.
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You know, You've seen TV showsand movies do that before, rather than
it being like the commercials for theaudience, the commercials actually for the characters.
Right, I think that would havemade it feel a little more natural,
at least for me. Maybe itdidn't. It didn't bother me enough
to like, I don't know,it didn't script a whole episode fuel or
anything. For me in the beginning, it was it would have been better
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at the beginning or the very endlike they did it, because it would
have, I think interrupted the flowof the episode anywhere else, you know
what I mean. So what doyou think of that concept? Like this
organization that's you know, reintegrating theones, the missing, or however they're
they're termed. I think go ahead, Oh, I was just gonna say
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that commercial comes off as disingenuous tome. So this group, while it
sounds like you know, just aboutanything else in America where on the surface
it has such a pleasant, wonderfulsounding mission and name, but you dig
a little deeper and it's you know, a little nefarious and you know,
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that's kind of how it was.They may be helping people, but they're
also stockpiling resources that can go topeople who don't have any. So it's
I want to know more about it, but my initial judgment isn't good,
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right, and you're definitely not supposedto feel good about them, right pretty
sure? Like you know, rightright after that commercial, they immediately smash
cut to like police Force with theirlogo on the side with John Walker cap
going you know, busting into abuilding and saying, we don't even let
them breathe, which is really relevantright now with the trial that's going on
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and the things that have happened inthis country in the past year. And
maybe they didn't think I would.I wouldn't have thought they would put that
line in the show. But theycouldn't have known some of the things that
were going to happen, you knowwhat I mean. Oh, absolutely,
it's incredibly you know, just it'sdisheartening because of how realistic it is.
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You know, what does a reliefgroup need with a police force, right
and Captain America with combat gear andyou know, giant bulletproof shields and no,
well, here to your point rightabout Captain America, I think it
would have worked with Steve because wouldhave legitimately been there to help, just
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like the World War two World Warpropaganda that he did, right Like,
you know, he's he's trying toraise money for you know, war bonds
and things like that, and hedid great with that. You know,
it is I think he has apurpose for sure. It is kind of
fun how they're showing the two differentsides to it. You know, both
of the captains started out by beinga symbol as for propaganda pro America kind
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of stuff. And in the nineteenforties it's all yay America, this is
so exciting, and now it's like, oh, this doesn't feel right,
So yeah, it does not feelgood. Well, there is a big
difference because you know, Steve's Capwas put against you know, the Knots
and Hydra, and you know historyhas shown how how you know, the
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Nazis are used as the bad guys, and a lot of fiction over the
years, it's kind of that's that'san easy one to throw out there.
That's usually not controversial to put thoseguys as the bad guys. Whereas new
Cap, you know, Russell Cap, he's We've already seen him be a
jerk. We've already seen him bendand even break codes that we would not
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want Captain America to cross. Andthis episode's no different, right. He's
overly aggressive, he's rude, he'sinsulting um, and he's got this entire
massive elite force behind him at thesame time, which just makes it even
harder because that one dude, goodor bad, the guts that guy has
to say, you know what hedid to Cap when he knows that anybody
(31:48):
could just put a bullet in hishead. Dude's got guts for sure.
Yeah, and seeing him get getsspit in the face, Uh, you
know, and I knew that wasgonna send him into a rage. I
thought that was great. So we'reI think we're definitely seeing some of the
things that are going to lead usto see US Agent versus CAP. I
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wouldn't surprise I be surprised if hiscostume changes from blue to black by the
end of the series. Yeah,yep, I agree. See, I
don't know. Part of me thinksthey might steer just really hard into this
whole concept and even make him brighter, red, white, and blue,
because you know, to kind ofshow that point of he doesn't see himself
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as the villain, and a lotof people don't see him as the villain,
even though he really is. Wellin the comics, it was it
wasn't really his choice. The governmenttook that title away from him, and
you know, after I think hebrutally murdered somebody or something on those lines.
So you know, it wouldn't surpriseto me if they did the same
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thing in the show. In thecomics, the US Government's also not as
corrupt as it is in real life. That's true. We don't really know
the state of the government in theMCU at this point, given that you
know, it was completely infiltrated byHydra at one point and then you have
the blip, so we don't reallyknow how stable it is or who's really
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in charge. We don't know nonsLike we haven't really seen a president since
iron Man three. To be completelyhonest, it's a little weird that,
like, after going through the blip, we still don't like we didn't really
get to see world leaders in anyreal capacity, you know, like the
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Civil War was the last time wesaw any world world leaders. We like,
we were so focused on which heroeswere dusted that you know, we
didn't even really think about which worldleaders were. Yeah, true and so
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and it's also again it's been fiveyears, so we just we have no
idea who's in charge or what thegovernment looks like. Um, And it
could be a total mess. Itcould be a disaster. It could be
one of those things where things looknice and it's just a code of paint,
but everything's you know, falling apartunderneath. Sure, Yeah, I
could definitely be that so while CarlyMorgan thou is stealing and killing you know,
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people, it also could just bea lot worse than what we know.
H Well, so she you know, again going kind of going back
to a little bit earlier, andwe were talking about like her people were
kind of sympathetic in the first twoepisodes. You felt for them. You
might not agree with with their methods, of course, but you felt for
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you know, where they were comingfrom. And now she blows up a
building with people inside, some ofwhom appeared to be civilians. But I
could be wrong. No, Ithink you're right. And then I think
that that that totally pushes her overto the other side. And you know,
yeah, her her colleague or whateverdidn't know that was going to happen.
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But he doesn't seem like super upsetabout it yet and maybe that's coming
later. But I thought he lookedgenuinely scared, scared of what Carly was
capable of, as well as justin fear for his own life, and
so he was just kind of likestunned. Interesting, But I think,
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you know, they're going to developthat relationship just a little bit more,
and they have all of the powerBroker serum at this point, right,
isn't that what they well, that'swhat they implied. It looked like there
was some there was like an emphasisput on some of the vials on the
lab, but it caught on fire. So I'm wondering if maybe Baron Zimo
grabbed something some vials on the wayout, and maybe that's how John Walker's
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going to get it from a dealwith Zemo or something like that. I
thought the scientists said that they hadstolen everything he did, but I mean
that doesn't mean he had, butdidn't have like some untested or like early,
you know, earlier versions that weremaybe not as refined or something like
that still there, and that couldhighlight the effect that, you know,
John Walker's an asshole, and sonow he's more of an asshole because they
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said with the original super Soldiers here, um, it highlighted your you know
what you are. And he saidthat he had fixed that basically and made
it a more perfect formula. Somaybe one of the older formulas, because
there was a shot that didn't needto be there showing like vials of a
liquid. That's sure. So goingback to him, the scientists talking about
(36:35):
how he's changed the formula, Ireally liked that bit of exposition because it
helps write away why these flag smashers, Yeah, they're regular people, you
know. And Carly Morgenthau, forexample, it's just she's a normal looking
person, but she's got this superstrength. It's a nice it's not a
throwaway line. I don't want tosay that, but it's a nice bit
(36:58):
of exposition that saw avolves that question. Yeah, that was smart. I
agree. I'm with you on that. Yeah, I agree too. All
right, for people that are listeningand you hear dog noises and stuff.
We just adopted a dog and Ihave been trying to keep an eye on
them with our other dog, andso you hear a lot of dog noises
(37:21):
in the background. So I'm sorryabout that, and I keep using myself
because of it. So now,so chat suggesting that those other vials that
we were seeing, that's what endsup becoming the Red Hulk formula. That
definitely could be. I mean,you know, when you have a random
scientist that's developing things that modify humans, that's an easy, like storytelling method
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to pull out anything like that.I mean, maybe they didn't even have
that in mind, but they could, you know, during the she Hulk
series, pull that out and belike, oh that we stole this from
the Scientist, you know, orEO got this from the Scientist and Madge
Report. Yeah and yeah, soeveryone who didn't watch this to be like,
what's mad Report? And we're gonnabe like, oh, exactly basically
(38:05):
how the entire goes, right,Yeah, for people that haven't watched everything,
you don't watch something, you endup missing it, but you know,
hopefully it doesn't ruin the entire thingfor you. Fair enough, fair
enough, So let's see. Sookay, so Zebo himself, you know,
Ryan mentioned that he had a fewopportunities to escape, but he doesn't.
(38:30):
And I gotta be honest, atleast the time when they're with all
the shipping containers, I legit thoughthe was gonna be gone. Did you
think he was going to be back? Did you think he was really leaving?
Because I did. Well, Ithink his whole purpose in the MCU
right now, or at least it'sset up by this episode, is to
get rid of superpowered individuals, rightLike, they make that pretty clear.
So Falcult or Soldier are the bestleads that he has to finding the flag
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smashers that have taken this formula andthat currently have all of the super soldier
serum that's known to exist. SoI think that's why he's not really running
away. And I didn't really expecthim to run away, because they've made
it clear that that's his intention,you know what I mean. Once he's
used them to his to the endof what he intends to do or like
(39:16):
to further his means as far ashe can go, that he'll leave.
Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. I guess I just kind of assume.
But the scientists dead, knowing thatthe serum's not there, and knowing
that he's the one with the airplanethat you know, he might be just
as fine on his own at thispoint. Heads are better than one,
(39:37):
I guess. Yeah, But Iwouldn't you know it, Maybe he might.
He might end up leaving and goingto like I mentioned John Walker getting
the formula from him, you know, potentially that might be how you know,
maybe he leaves them because they're notdoing enough work and finding things fast
enough, and so he goes tothis other team that's also looking for the
same people and works with ev instead. He's he's he's the kind of guy
(40:00):
that will do that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's fair. Ray,
any other thoughts on that, No, not really, I Zemo was you
know, he's a villain. He'sout for himself, and right now his
goals align with Bucky and Sam,So that's why he's like on our side
(40:24):
for right now. Oh but yeah, but also the goals aligned with John
Walker and Battlestar absolutely those people.So yeah, he could easily go either
way. Yeah, everything's going tocome to a head eventually. Well,
he may even see an advantage toworking with Russell because if he works with
Captain America and helps the US governmenttrack down these terrorists, maybe you know,
(40:49):
they'll help him out from a legalstandpoint and he can just be Scott
free, like you know Ray mentionedearlier in the episode. Yeah, maybe,
I mean that's entirely possible, right, Like, it's not that he
can't escape, it's not that hecan't continue to run. But why would
you want to write if you couldavoid it, if you could just end
up being free, maybe that's whatyou try and do, and he could
hide, you know, in theUS or something. Yeah, if someone's
(41:13):
going to give you amnesty, whynot take it? So I could see
him you know, flip flopping backand forth to just about any side.
Whatever is going to work for himfor sure. Now, at the tail
end of the episode, we getthe reintroduction of Wakonda with Ao. What
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do you think that's all about?Well, first of all, I love
the way it popped up. Ilove that Bucky just notices something different in
the way everything looks. And thenwe see these like little balls and we're
not entirely sure what they are.This is the first time that they've really
(41:59):
been upfront. And then we seeAo and the alley and she's immediately like,
I've come for Zemo. It wasa really fun way to bring her
into this. It was a coolentrance. Yeah, Ryan, it's cute.
(42:24):
If you watch the corner of thescreen you can occasionally see dog ears
pop up because it's huge years.But yeah, I mean, what I
liked about this ending was that itwasn't like WandaVision, where like every ending
you're like, oh my gosh,we got to talk about for the next
you know, seven days, what'sgoing what does it mean? Yeah,
it was very clear what's gonna happen. It's it's a cool character to see.
(42:45):
It's something that's not necessarily in themewith the rest of the show.
I mean, you're not. Wakandais a very different theme, but it's
important to the story here, soum, but we're not really going to
speculate on what's happening that much,probably because it's pretty clear what they want,
you know. I just love thatevery character we have here has their
(43:05):
own motivations, and easily they couldbe one or another. They could be
corrupted, they could be gray,they could be completely pure and genuine.
So it's we're coming for really coolshowdowns. Like that's what they're building up
(43:28):
to. Just some fun, awesomefight scenes and really wealth choreograph dialogue and
it's all just gonna be pretty interestingwhen it comes to a head. That's
what I'm here for, right,Like cool, but I'm here for the
(43:50):
well choreographed fight scenes, you know, Like that's what I want to see
superheroes fighting. That's what Ryan's about. Yeah, anything else lot division was
great, don't get me wrong,But I mean this is what Marvel is
for me. That's fair. Butlike, I mean, come on,
Like, you know, Bucky wasthe White Wolf. He spent two years
in Wakanda. He knew that thiswas going to happen, right, This
was part of his plan. It'svery possible he knew, yeah, right,
(44:15):
like my thought processes, he didthis knowing that somebody, maybe he
didn't know Ao specifically, but heknew somebody from Wakanda was gonna show up,
and that would be kind of likehis backup in case things went sideways
potentially. Yeah. I mean,do you guys, have they brought up
the White Wolf moniker already in theshow? Do you think that they're gonna
like explore that further, like makehim an actual Obviously he's gonna We talked
(44:38):
about this a little bit, youknow. I do you think he's gonna
stay the Winter Soldier or are theygonna like translate him into another title but
still playing the role of kind ofso I think he's still the White Wolf.
I think that he's been working forWakanda this entire time, since coming
back, since endgame, he's beencontinuing to work for Conda, because you
(45:01):
know, he did spend a lotof time there and they made it very
clear that he was always welcome there, and you know, this this list
going through the amends and everything isimportant to him on a personal level.
But he could hide away in Wakondaforever if he wanted to, and I
think the only reason he's not isbecause he is on a mission for Wakonda,
(45:22):
and maybe the Zemo thing wasn't partof that. I don't think that
was necessarily part of the plan.But I think he's definitely still the White
Wolf, and that's why they keeptabs on him, which is why he
knew that he would have some Wakondabackup if he did break out Zemo.
Yeah. I mean, I wouldbe totally on board if that's the way
it went. So fingers crossed.I hadn't actually thought about that point,
(45:44):
that maybe he's been working for Wakondothis whole time, but I would love
that if that came to be thething. I agree. I'm on board
with that. Woo. You guysliked my idea. You guys don't like
my idea? First time in twoepisodes? Uh? Anyway, mark this
(46:05):
down, momentums, occasional market dude, what else? What else we got
on this one? Anything else inthis episode you think is worth discussing.
I think we've covered pretty much everything. I think so I think so well,
we have a little bit of time. Do you guys want to talk
about the Lokey trailer or anything likethat to kind of tack on something here
at the end, Loki trailer looksgood. I'm heaven a lot of fun
(46:30):
little feelings about that one pop up. It's gonna be really interesting. Again,
we're crossing into territory that Marvel hasnever touched before with like the constant
time travel, So that'll be alot of fun. And Tom Hitelson just
(46:51):
sells Loki to us like no otherperson could. I really wouldn't want anybody
else in the role at this point. Yeah, honestly I didn't. I
watched the trailer, but you know, I was kind of in the corner
at work trying to hide and notget caught, so I didn't get to
(47:12):
spend a lot of time doing anin depth dive into it or anything.
From what I saw it looked atyou. It's gonna be cool. I'm
definitely excited about it. So,oh, Wilson actually looks, like he
said, in an enjoyable role.So that's your first time for everything.
I guess I like Owen Wilson.Most of his films are not really for
me, but I like him,and so I'm looking forward to seeing him
in something that that I'm excited about. There are some fun moments in the
(47:36):
trailer though, like you there's there'sthe scene where Loki has to sign off
on a document that's literally everything he'sever said, and then he replies and
it prints off another piece of paper. You like signed this too. It
just really made me laugh because youknow, Loki is a loquacious fellow,
and so that's got to be apretty thick file, you know. Well,
it loves a very thick file,we saw, So I'm looking forward
(47:58):
to that. And I am asaw for time travel multiverse type stuff.
I love alternate realities and I'm reallylooking forward to them playing around with all
of them. You also love tocomplain about things that don't make sense,
so time travel never makes sense inanything. Some get it slightly better than
(48:20):
others. No, I think youcan sit there and find holes in every
time travel thing. Ever. Wellwe'll have to have a conversation about that
at some point then. But youknow, look, some time travel stuff
is tighter than others. I thinkI said that endgame does an okay job
at it, but they made ita little more convoluted than it needs to
(48:40):
be, but I'm looking forward tothis. I still enjoyed all the time
travel end game. I'm not.It doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the film
or anything like that. No,no me either, you know. So
I'm looking forward to it, ButI mean, I guess that's about it.
Then. So next week we'll betalking about episode four of The Falcon
(49:02):
and the Winner Soldier, so besure to join us for that. Remember
we do this live on Tuesday nightsat nine pm Eastern. So thank you
to everybody who joined us in chatthis week. We appreciate your your thoughts,
your suggestions, your theories, allthat kind of good stuff, and
you can join us next time forthat. You can find us at screen
(49:22):
dash heroes dot com. It's gotall of our links. You can listen
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that, and like we said,join our group. You can find me
on Twitter at the Star Trek.Dude, Ray, where can people find
you? I'm at Siren Ray guys, and Ryan, where can people find
you? At Buster Props? AtBuster Props, there have it. We
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(50:04):
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