Falcon\Soldier Ep. 5 "Truth"

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You're listening to Screen Heroes. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Screen
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and that's what we've been doing mostof twenty twenty one. So far,
we've covered all of WandaVision and nowwe're in the middle of The Falcon and
the Winter Soldier. This week weare talking episode five Truth. So here
we are, guys. This isthe penultimate episode, as people like to
say, as the finale is nextweek or I guess later this week,
depending on how you view things.Any anything that we should talk about before

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we dive into the nitty gritty thangee, yeah, it wasn't gonna be
just me. It looks so cool, Okay? Where the form? I
love Seemu Leui If you do notfollow him on Twitter, he is one
of the funniest people that I follow. He is so delightful and the actually

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the entire cast of Kim's Convenience,like all other Twitters, are just amazing.
So if you like good content,they have it. Second of all,
that trailer, that teaser trailer,that poster that was fun. Yeah.
What I love most about is that, like, had I not had
not had a Marble logo in frontof it, you probably could have easily,

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you know, just mistaken that thiswas not a Marble movie. And
I think that's great. I mean, they're moving out of the genres are
like the cookie cutter kind of moviesthat they were kind of notorious were for
the first a few phases. Soit's been a huge complaint of ours that
you know, aside from a fewoutliers, and majority of them tell the

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same story with the same bad guysevery time. Yeah, exactly, and
this one, you know, thelegends of this movie have been percolating throughout
the MCU since literally the first IronMan. So it's pretty cool, like
this is this has been teeth longerthan Tanno's basically, and you know,
I'm here for it everything I saw. It's cool, you guys, if

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you watch this or listen to thispodcast, you know, I don't love
like the floaty kind of martial artistchoreography. Um, and there is some
of that in there, which againI didn't love, but it seems to
fit into the story. So ithelps that he's actually a superhero instead of
it like just being an excuse todo wire work. Yeah, I mean,

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and yeah, it's not just anormal human that's like flying around at
least context. Yeah, and Ilove that we're going to get to see
some like ancient Mandarin Like Mandarin appearsto be like the eternal kind of rasal
Gul figure of the MCU, whichis really neat. I loved seeing the
like more Asian style tiger in thatflashback that jumps next to him like you

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see in the parades. You know, that was really cool. I'm really
almost everything about this trailer was justreally neat to me, So I'm definitely
excited. Yeah, I mean,just the idea of a superhero martial arts
film is appealing in and of itselfbecause I don't think we've ever had that

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before from anybody. Guess yeah,but yeah, I mean, I don't
think anybody has kind of merged thosetwo genres on the big screen. So
I'm really looking forward to that.It does look, you know, really
cool the fight scenes. I likethe wire work type stuff when it fits
the tone of the film. Ilike it a little bit more than Ryan,

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but I definitely understand that it canbe overdone. So I also do
think that it helps if these aresuperpowered beings. Then they could probably do
things that you shouldn't be able todo in the real world, so that
helps too. It just looks nice, it looks good, it looks tight.
I'm really looking forward to the actionsequences and these fight scenes. And
you know, yeah, there's thescene with the bus that crushes all the

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expensive cars and stuff, But itlooks like we're not going to see a
ton of just explosions everywhere, whichis what you get in most superhero films,
you know, it's just a lotof explosions. And well, that
scene though, was like it seemsto me like it's kind of a throwback
to like Rush Hour and some oflike the more Jackie chan the Police,

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Police Story, Police, I can'tremember the other the movies he did way
before he was an American actor,super Cop, those movies. It was
kind of a throwback to that withthe way he was like using his foot
to catch people and everything else.That's what it came across to me.
So I feel like, yeah,it's not gonna be a lot of explosions,
but even that one, it wasan homage, I thought, So

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I will say I have my concerns. Of course, I really don't want
this to be caricature of kung fuand Um. I do think it's a
missed opportunity to not bring Jackie Chaninto this, considering it's the first Chinese

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h MCU hero. Jackie Chant hasa pretty terrible reputation in China if you
haven't looked into that. Well,actually I didn't know that. Oh yeah,
he's like he would be well,I'm not gonna use the term because
we don't want to get political,but he would be a supporter of somebody
we don't like, like the equivalentof that in China. Um a womanizer

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that's seen with very young women regularly. Like he's not very unfortunately. Yeah,
google it sometime, so I'm I'mokay. Oh my god, he
is like pop pop over here.Like I know, it made me so
sad to find out about those things, but yeah, yeah, I'm okay
with him. Like him out.That's crazy that you can have it in

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nowadays. Americans don't know different reputation. Yeah, well, because here he
always plays the hero and he alwaysis you know, super personal and funny.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, heseems to never really take himself too
seriously, but he always takes thework really seriously, and you know,

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so he's always just portrayed this reallypositive image here. But all that aside,
I think it's kind of okay thathe's done in it too, just
because it doesn't ride on his shouldersat all. It's not like, you
know, he's legitimizing it in someway either. Because this being the kind
of the first of its kind,you know, being the first superhero martial
arts film, I kind of wantit to stand on its own because I

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think it can, you know,so, I think it's okay. I'm
super pumped for it. It's gonnabe awesome. So uh. Along with
the shang Chi stuff, they alsoannounced today that Olivia coleman oscar winner and
Amelia Clark the second best of whois tarian She's the best targarian? Yeah,

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yeah, she is known. Areyou talking about Terminator? Is that
what you're trying? I wasn't surewhere you were going then. I remember
that Lena Hiti was also Sarah Connor'sthe third best. Sarah Connor, I
like Amelia Clark, but where wereyou? Where were you going with us?

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They were cast in Secret Invasion,not quite. Both of them are
in negotiations and talks to be cast. I like, it's an important distinction.
No, no, no, it'simportant. Absolutely. It just goes
to show that, you know,I'm an asshole for not reading articles and
just reading headlines. But that's theproblem, right, Like, we get

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all of these articles in our faceall day long, and something that's somewhat
innocuous of person a was cast inmovie A shouldn't be like a big problem
for you to have to read intoto make sure it's true. But that's
the case with both of these actors. Neither of them, as of earlier
today, had actually signed contracts anyway. Any speculation on who they're playing in

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secret, no idea. No,I don't think me or Derek either has
enough Marvel knowledge. I mean,was a big event, but it's kind
of a scure for people that aren'tlike pretty big marble heads. So do
you think they'll be scrolls or therewill be create or there'll be humans?

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I mean, I don't know thembells. Yeah, I mean I imagine
if anybody is a scroll in theshow, they're probably also going to be
a human at some point. Youknow, that's fair. Ben Mendelsohn was
for sure. Yeah, So I'mso excited to see him again. We'll
see. Yeah, I am excitedabout that casting. I do like Amelia
Clark. Also, I think she'sbeen great and everything I've seen her in
and you know, yeah, I'mglad she's getting more work. I wanted

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her to join the MCU. Iwas actually thinking she would make a fantastic
Emma Frost in the MCU's Virgin,especially since January Jones is kind of like
watching a piece of paper, likeshe's there fair enough. In similarly clickbait

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style news, we got the newsthat Michael Keaton is returning in The Flash.
Everybody wants to say that he's Batmanand he's donning the Cow, but
all reports simply say that he's returningas Bruce Wayne. So while I'm very
excited that he's returning as Bruce Wayne, it is not confirmed that he will
be in a batsuit in the movie. Look, I don't need to see
Michael Keaton in a batsuit again,Like, I'm totally fine with just like

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the batsuit being on display in theback. It would be cool to see
him like cow, but that's notgoing to like ruin the movie for me
or anything. It's like, whocares as long as I know he's Batman
that I'm good and not just playinglike some random guy, and that's totally
fine. I just told this typeof headline writing bothers me because it does
get people on hopes. We've gotover this kind of clickbait news articles before.

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It probably don't need to spend aton of time on that specific fact.
But yes, that has been goingaround, and I'm excited that he's
confirmed after that last bit where hesaid he wasn't signed on yet. So
well, that movie has been movedaround a ton. It has officially started
a production, which is amazing tome that it actually has started production.
But Black Adam has also started production, which is another movie that's been in

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kind of not development hell necessarily,but like development purgatory for I don't know
seven years. Yeah, it's beenseven years since they Black Adams casting.
Yeah, theydunced that before. She'samyeah, uh huh. And She'sam two
is filming as well, so DC'spicking up some steam as far as production

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is concerned. We've got three moviescurrently shooting right now. So there you
go. Anything else before we diveinto our main topic. No, I
think that's it. Let's do break. Okay, So this is your spoiler
warning for all things The Falcon andthe Winter Soldier up through episode five Truth.
This is also your spoiler warning foranything that's happened previously in the MCU.

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It might come up, especially ifit was in an Avengers movie or
Civil War or anything like that.Those types of things are kind of fair
game. So we're gonna take aquick break, and when we come back,
we are talking episode five Truth fromThe Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
All right, we're back, let'sdo this. Let's talk the episode.

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So spoiler warning, remember this isit we're diving in. This episode starts
off pretty quickly directly after the lastepisode, which is nice. I'm always
a fan of that, where wenow get John in a factory warehouse kind
of place all by himself, seeminglybefore Sam and Bucky show up to take

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the shield for a super Soldier.He didn't seem to run that fast.
It's like, you know what,we've seen Black Panther run at full speed,
and for somebody who's trying to runaway from something, he really seemed
to run like a normal person.So maybe he was just slowing down from
from a longer run. Who knows, it's possible. Maybe he just wasn't

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sure where he was going, youknow, because yeah, I mean black
panther in Civil war is like passingcars. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Yeah, and you saw them versusnormal people in an Infinity War,
you know, running out in frontof the armies him at CAP so I
could see Bucky keeping up easily andyou know, shocking with his wings.
I guess their jet powered. Butyeah, I assumed he just wasn't sure

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where to go, you know,so he like wasn't going full speed because
he didn't know where he was going. Yeah, it was just a weird
thing that stood out to me thatthat looks like a normal dude running even
though he has super soldier serrem it'sfair. But what do you guys think
of this scene? There's a lotgoing on in here, you know,
between the conversations, the actual fightingitself, some of the symbolism, and

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what happens in some of the fighting. What do you guys think, ray,
I mean, it was an interestingfight scene. I was actually pretty
impressed with how much they made JohnWalker kind of hold his own. I
kind of expected him to just getthe shit beat out of him, you

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know, two against one, andI the fight scene went on a lot
longer than I thought it was goingto. I actually found myself towards the
end getting a little bored. Ithought like the tension had kind of melted
away. But when he like brokethe wings and snapped them right off,

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that kind of got my attention again. Yeah, I felt weird about the
fight too. There are two momentsin the fight that sell it for me,
which is one is the wing momentwhere he tears off the wings and
the others when they straight up breakhis arm getting the shield off. Those
those definitely kind of help redeem thefight scene, but it just, yeah,

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it never really felt the same levelof intensity that some of the previous
fight scenes have had in this show. And like kind of the mirror to
this is the Civil War fight scenewith Bucky Cap and Tony, And you
know, maybe maybe I'm reading toomuch into that and that's not intended to
be similar, but that one Ijust remember feeling a lot more intense about

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it. Even now when I rewatchjust clips from it, it still feels
far more intense and emotional, eventhough I know none of them are really
going to hurt each other really andin this anything could have happened. And
so I don't know, Ryan,what what's your take? So I have
mixed feelings about this fight. Youknow, I love some good choreography,
and a lot of the choreography wasreally well done and the way I really

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like the creative ways that they canuse Falcon's wings in these fights. And
that's the thing that's impressed me throughthis series, because you know, this
is the character hasn't really gotten muchplay, but in fight scenes have been
done a million ways. But whenyou add a character that can like have
wings pop out whenever they want anda booster on the back, you really
add a lot of extra like coolstuff that the character can do. And
I like that they're utilizing that.But like to Rachel's point, I had

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a problem with the fact that JohnWalker was holding out to these guys because
I mean, you're talking about Bucky, who's literally a trained assassin that has
been alive for how how old ishe one hundred or something like. Yeah,
he's literally had you know, moretime as an adult to train and

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everything else, and like most ofthese people have been alive and he was
barely able to hold up to thisto John Walker with another person with him,
and Sam has probably I assume he'strained with Steve at some point,
like in the Avengers compound, soyou know, he's probably he should have
better martial arts training than John Walker. Even though John Walker's a military guy,

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they've never shown that he's like afighter or been training in martial arts
his whole life or anything like that. There's no reason why those two guys
shouldn't have just busted to him.And I realized that it would have been
a much less interesting scene if theyhad just beaten the shit out of him
and taking a shield. But youknow, that kind of wouldn't have looked
too great. But the fact thatit went on that long was just really,

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really weird. It did come offlike the airport scene in Civil War,
where they're not really trying to hurteach other, they're just trying to
win, but not put it all, there's no reason for it to feel
that way in this one, youknow what I mean. In Civil War
there was a reason because they don'treally want to hurt each other, and
this one goes to have been itchingto beat the shit out of that guy
for a long time, Like,well, I don't know, I don't

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know that Sam really like before thefight, I don't know that Sam really
wanted to hurt Walker. I think, sure, but Bucky wants to hurt
a lot of people. So yeah, I mean, the reality is is
even just one on one with youknow, Bucky and Walker. Bucky probably
should win that fight anyway, becausethey're both super soldiers, on top of

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the vibranium arm and on top ofall the other points. You said,
then also been training, you know, for that long, and he hasn't
been so right. No, No, you're absolutely right. Then you add
in Sam, who with all ofhis abilities and all of his knowledge and
skills, it definitely went on alot longer than it probably should have.
It makes you, It kind ofmade me go, like, why are
these guys the hero of this series, the heroes of this series if they

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can't like barely beat this guy,you know what I mean, Like,
I understand what the series is tryingto do and everything, but if you're
trying to portray these guys as likepowerful heroes, give them it's it's kind
of like the Flash, where right, he's as fast as the situation needs
to be, right, in anygiven situation. But his power set is
should be well beyond what almost anybodycan deal with. And these guys are

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way beyond John Walker. But theyhad to like nurf them down somehow,
but they didn't. There was noexplanation. It was just they I don't
know that it was a weird scene. We had this talk last week,
I think, where we talked abouthow just the idea of the super Soldier
serum is really inconsistent. Yea,all over the place, all over the
place, you know. So it'sit's hard to know because then you look

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back you're like, well, Imean Cap was able to kind of hold
off Thanos, you know, andstand his ground. So if if Walker
is that strong, then maybe Buckyisn't having as good of a time.
Like I don't know, it's itis hard and Bucky has aged, you
know, because he hasn't been awakefor the entire time. That's why he's
not as old as Old Cap atthe end of endgame. But he's been

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awake for a long time, sohe's certainly not forty. He's got to
be like sick s as right asfar as like a wake time is concerned.
So maybe he isn't as strong asWalker. I don't know. It's
hard to know because of how inconsistentit's been. Well, you would think
the vibranium arm would add extra strengthon top of the super soldier strength too,

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right, Like, isn't that kindof the point of having a battle
arm is that it's probably stronger thanyour you know, your normal human arm.
You'd think so, but I don'tknow. Yeah, I mean it
gets damaged in this scene, evenWalker, damn sure. But then that
doesn't actually do anything. He's recovered. Fin Like, every other time that
the arm has had something done toit, he has to like do that

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thing where he like rotates it allthe way around and like cocks it or
whatever to get it working again.This time it like shows it malfunctioning,
and then he's fine when he getsup. You know. So you know
that that to Rachel's point about itbeing too long, that could have been
cut out and it would have madezero difference. Yeah, in the fight.
You know, Ray, what doyou think of the arm breaking scene
or moment? I think, fuckingfinally it makes sense, you know,

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Deterrent, like this makes sense.I'm actually surprised this is the first time
we've seen bones broken before, becauseto be completely honest, it doesn't seem
out of character for Steve to dosomething like that in order to get his
goal, you know, like itwould be in character for just about any

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of the Marvel heroes. Like it'skind of a pet peep in mind that
some of these characters who do nothave any power set, like Zimo,
can take huge hits and nothing happened. Zimo took that shield to the face.
He should not have been able towalk away with just an ice pack,

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Like literally, there should have beena giant cut that goes right across
it, and it would have beenorderle tracktures. Yeah, So to your
point about bones not breaking, MCO, I just want to bring up endgame.
Cap got his arm broken and thenhe tightened the shield around it.

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So it's not the first one.But yeah, well it's not way more
explicit, yeah that one. Yeah. Yeah, And obviously like Vision hurt
Roady and everything, so you know, stuff has happened. It's just that
was in the latter half of theentire yeah movies or whatever. Yeah,

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right, and it's never been usedin this way. Right, when Roady
gets hurt, that's like the signthat things went too far and everybody stops.
And in endgame, it was amoment to show how strong Cap really
is mentally, emotionally, not justright exactly, it's solidified who he is
inside. That's the whole point.This is like, this signifies the end

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of the fight. It actually remindedme a lot of the Infinity War when
everybody's trying to get the Gauntlet off. Than it felt a lot like that.
Yeah, it really did. Andit's a little funny because the shield
in itself doesn't do anything on itsown. It doesn't have any powers really
right whenever you get close to it, so there is a or or someone

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picks it up just right, butyou know they're passing it around like it's
yeah, like it's the Gauntlet likesomehow if you hold the shield, then
all of a sudden, yeah exactly, And that's just like you know,
there's the entire world in the MCUand outside of it now has made that

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shield of symbol. Whoever wields it, whoever holds it is in some capacity
a Captain America. So when itis bestowed upon you, it's a gift.
And when it's forcibly taken from you. It's reprimand it's a demotion,

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it's an admonishment. So it likewe can understand the symbolism behind it,
and the characters clearly due too.So it the fact that it needed to
be taken from Walker in such aviolent and aggressive way. Is it's not

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just a punishment, but it's it'slike a you know, stay down kind
of thing. And that's why thein credit scene, while it's only like
ten seconds long, it's still incrediblypowerful because he doesn't believe, even with

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the super soldier serum, that hecould do something without a shield because it
is that symbol Yeah, you're absolutelyright. Speaking of symbolism, you know,
we get the next scene when theyactually get the shield from him and
Bucky takes it and throws it downnext to Sam kind of aggressively, and
then Sam picks it up and triesto wipe the blood away, but he

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can't wipe the blood away, andyou know, that's a that's that was
a powerful moment for sure. Thiswhole episode is a lot of symbolism yet
less exposition, and I appreciate thatbecause you don't really notice it while you're

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watching. You notice it afterwards whenyou sit and you kind of let the
show soak in. In this episode, especially when they're down in Louisiana,
Bucky is smiling the entire time.It's the first time he isn't sleeping on

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the floor. He flirts and justlike the the small connection he has with
Sarah is such a stark contrast tohis date in the first episode, where
he was very guarded and cold andyou know, completely mentally checked out thinking

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about the old man and not hisdate. So it's it just shows that
Falcon makes him happy and he feelslike he's a part of them to a
certain degree. Maybe he doesn't feellike part of Wilson's family, but he

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definitely feels safe in their company.Yeah, before we get to Louisiana,
though, we do have another scenewith Isaiah, right, that came first,
Right, I don't think it reallymatters if we talk what we talk
about first. We've also in theepisode at this point, so we don't

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chronologically fair enough. I just didn'twant to get too far away from that
because that's that's a pretty intense we'lltalk about that scene. I don't think
there's any danger of us not talkingabout that very well, I liked the
fact that, like the fight scenewas the only real action we got the
whole the whole episode and the restof it was I mean, compared to

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a lot of the other series,very slow, more personal um and lots
of character development moments um between thesecharacters and for them, for each one
individually. And uh yeah, Imean seeing Bucky smile was great and seeing
him I loved the line about,um, he's right handed, so he
doesn't always think to use his metalarm. You know that that's I mean,

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I don't I feel like that's themore human side of Bucky because when
he was the Winner Soldier, I'mpretty sure he always remembered to use that
metal arm. But now that he'skind of freed himself with the helpable condens
you been able to be free thathe's now more like he was before.
And he is right handed, youknow, he doesn't just use the metal

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arm to kill people constantly. See. I saw the other day a fellow
movie critic, like on our level, has his own personal podcasts. You
know, he said that he couldcut down Falcon and Winter Soldier to a
two hour movie. And yeah,if you just want to take the action
scenes and cut about half the characters. I'm sure you could. But the

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reason why I love these series isbecause we get those tiny little moments that
we cannot have in the movies.If you are not the absolute main character,
and even then, like Thor's depression, it could be played a completely

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different way than you want it tobe, then it should be. So
that is kind of my take.Got that, like, sure this could
have been a movie and it wouldhave been fun and I would have seen
it, But I really like thesmall moments. I really do. Well,
that's the difference of like, doyou just care about the plot points

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and that's all that you care about, or you care about these characters and
seeing how they change and how theyevolve throughout the story because of how the
things affect them. And some peoplearen't interested in that, and I mean,
I guess that's that's their call,right, and that's what movies are
for. But but they're wrong.It's not what any of us want.

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We we like, our character development, we like and that's why we like
these moments. There's there's one inparticular that is super subtle that I didn't
even notice until it was pointed outto me. M and that was in
the training montage when Sam is likekind of prepping to get ready to be
you know, this new version ofCap or whatever he ends up being,

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you know, being called and he'srunning the way they frame him. The
shot is he's running on the right, just like he did in Captain America
the Winter Soldier, when you knowCap would run up on your left and
all of that. And it's areally great nod to a lot of different
things, but specifically that call outof his relationship with Cap, you know,

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and where where that that kind oflies. Those are nice little moments.
Is it detrimental to the overarching plotof New Cap. No, But
is it important to the plot ofSam Wilson. Yeah. And that's what
I want to see too. Idon't just care who ends up with the
shield. I want more rum.Remember of our group Zach and friend and

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he has podcasted with us. He'spart of our D and D group.
He pointed out that the having hisnephews say Uncle Sam over and over again
will slowly change the point of viewfrom I Falcon to Captain America and give
it a little bit of American flavorto it. Yeah, it's definitely something

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subtle in there that that makes itmore interesting. Um, and at this
point it's pretty clear the briefcases thenew Captain America suit, right, because
sometimes they're not so subtle. Thisis you know, yeah, I mean,
it's I've seen some discussions on theend of like, what do you
guys think is in the briefcase?What? What do you what do you
of course we know what's in thebrief we just don't know exactly what it

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looks like unless you look at thetoy leagues that have already come out,
in which case you know what itlooks like. Probably yeah, yeah,
it's yeah, what else is goingto be in there? Yeah? Yeah,
I mean and you know he gavethe wings to Cores, who is
another falcon and his colors are greenand gold, and he looks so great.

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Look up Torres's falcon and he looksamazing. Yeah. Yeah, it
should be interesting to see where thatgoes. But you see another one of
the young Avengers that they know.Okay, oh he joins the real team
and okay, like he's been followingaround uh Wilson this whole time, like

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the same thing. He he justbecomes Wilson's sidekick. Gotcha, gotcha?
I wasn't sure he's like red WingJunior. Yeah, I mean it's it
is. It was a funny likekind of mcguffin type and like Chat says
here back, you know, callingback to pulp fiction. It was it
was kind of funny that like he'scarrying this are we all know it's in

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the box? Well? You knowwhat I've had funny about these Marvel series
as we've seen them so far,between this and One Division. Basically the
entire series is a setup for someoneto get a new suit. But at
least now they explain why they canget you, right, But does it
really take like six hours of mylife to explain if somebody has a new
suit. Now I enjoy it,don't get me wrong, But it is

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weird that like now the two showsthat we've had are both ending the same
way. It is. It isreally funny and I get it's like almost
like they did that same thing.Daredevil did the same thing. But we
used to make jokes about how likeCap would have a different suit in every
movie, Like with Iron Man,it kind of made sense because he's making
technological upgrades. Why does Cat needa new suit in every movie, right,

(32:28):
and now they're like, all right, fine, we'll tell you why
he needs Oh my god. Speakingof which, I just shared this really
interesting threat today in our Screen Heroesgroup. If you're part of the group,
you should go check it out.It was all about these tiny details
that went into John Walker's outfit tomake sure that everything about it was unsettling.

(32:51):
It was. It was pretty amazinghow much detail went into it and
how much uh, this woman foundin this. You know what's funny is
I have two different friends, oneof which is a mutual friend with you
guys, and they both think thatJohn Walker is really not that bad of
a guy. And then he's prettyokay, we'll have to talk about who

(33:15):
that is. And they called oneof them called the other called a falcon
and winner soldier whiny bitches and can'tbelieve they gave him a show. Yeah,
all right, well we're gonna haveBut yeah, it's pretty easy to
figure it out. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. Anyway. We've talked
a little bit about the suit inthe past because Ryan brought up the really
good point about how the new suitsbasically devoid of the color white. It's

(33:39):
just red and blue and um,because white represents kind of a purity,
and you know, has it hasrepresentation or meeting behind that specific color,
and CAP's suit had the white.Walkers does not have the white. Well,
I okay, so going back,I'm not gonna out this person.
I'm really not, because they's justsilly to me. But the thing is,

(34:01):
John Walker isn't supposed to be theguy that is just megalomaniac, outright
villain. He's not one that youshould be able to spot from across the
room. He's not you know,sinister mustache twirling, tie this person to

(34:22):
the railroad kind of villain. Thisguy is Gaston, He's the town hero.
He's the one everyone's behind and untilyou see them unravel and then quickly
he's abandoned and humiliated and then hecomes back, you know, even crazier.
So that's that's the point, islike he is supposed to be this

(34:47):
person we put on a pedestal,and when that pedestal's taken away from him,
he's supposed to lose it. Well, this person's point was that that
that he was just a guy doinga job and trying to do the best
he can and asking for help,and those two basically just hated him because

(35:07):
he's not of who he's not.He didn't have any choice to take,
like, you know, the governmentwas the one that made the decision to
give him the shield that was donatedto them. And so if you've only
watched like the first two episodes,I guess I can that was we talked
about that, that they tried tomake him a little bit of a sympathetic
character initially initially, so I couldI could see that from somebody who's maybe

(35:30):
only watched like the first two twoepisodes, probably not the third one,
but you know, beyond that,it's tough to justify that. Well,
especially at this point in this episodewhen he is facing the senators who gave
him this position and now are makinga big deal about taking it away because

(35:52):
truth be told, they are justas responsible. He says that, he
says so, and he's not wrong, no, but he also again is
kind of shrugging off any real accountabilityor responsibility. At the end of the
day, he well, he tookthe super soldier him number one, right,

(36:14):
but he also in broad daylight,in front of public people streaming on
the internet, brutally murdered somebody.Ye and there's just no way to to
to write over that, like,you did that, man, you you
chose to do that. Nobody toldyou to do that. That was not
a mission objective, you know.And it's not even not that this would

(36:36):
have really made it any better.But it's not even the person that killed
Battlestar. It's a different person thatjust happened to be in the same group
of people. And so you havethat on top of it, he lies
to Battlestar's parents about this, Yeah, this was the person who killed your
son, and like that's not eventrue. So he has zero responsibility,
zero accountability for for anything that hedoes on the show at all. Whenever

(36:59):
anything goes poorly, it's somebody else'sfault, right, right. If it
goes well, he's the hero.But if it doesn't go perfectly, somebody
else did something wrong. But that'sthe exact same issue with the senators who
are behind him, who did it? You know, like they're only making
this out to be a big spectaclebecause they might also be incriminated or interrogated

(37:23):
about this. They might also haveto undergo like, oh, well,
did you not do a psych profileon this guy before you just gave him
deadly weapons like well, then hebrings into account, you know, gun
control and things like that. Youstart thinking about when you bring those things
up, which we probably don't wantto get into on the show. But
that's I mean, that's kind ofthe point why they just immediately were like,

(37:45):
Nope, we're gonna say face,we're gonna cut this guy out.
We're going to completely strip him ofeverything he's ever earned and tell him to
GTFO. And then after the trialwe get this interesting scene that we have
to talk about. Who knew thatJulia Louise Dreyfus was going to be playing

(38:09):
Madame Hydra because I did not,So, I mean she's not I don't
think she's actually gonna be playing Mattlike she plays that character. But I
don't think Madame Hydra is ever gonnabe like that was like a super short
thing, wasn't it. Like thatwasn't her title through all of the comic
books. She was more like NickFury's foil right. Well, but a

(38:30):
lot of characters in the MCU nevertechnically get their name that they're known for.
Well, I don't think she's workingfor Hydra. As my point,
Hydra, I think it's gone.I don't think she's gonna be Madame Hydra.
I think she's going to be morelike the evil Nick Fury. Now
that's like bringing the thunderbolts together,which I'm sure got guys, it seems

(38:53):
likely it's I mean, did youguys not get that vibe that she's like
handy John Walker the card and thenthe Condons go to take Zemo. She
probably has the capabilities of stopping WillCondons and getting Zemo, and that she's
going to give him a business cardtoo, like be able to bust into
the raft. Yeah. Yeah,I did think it was funny that she

(39:13):
was just using regular business cards.I appreciated that it wasn't some like little
gimmicky device. And I love thatthey're completely blank, because like, what
a boss fucking move to just handsomebody a blank business card. I mean,
look, I want this to becomea big thing because I love her.
I have been watching her for aslike my entire life, because I

(39:36):
was a huge Seinfeld fan and I'vewatched her ever since, and so seeing
her in something like that's really inmy wheelhouse. I'm just stoked, and
I hope that she gets a reallymajor role and if you've ever seen Veep.
She can play that smart bad personvibe. Oh yeah, Like this
is basically a the same character asuh Selena, but not as I guess

(40:06):
hidden about the fact that she's bad. But she is like she's already the
boss, whereas in VIEP she's likedesperately trying to become you know, it's
kind of the point. Yeah,So I'm just I was floored. I
was stoked. There is nobody onthis planet that guessed that that is what
the cameo, not the cameo,but what the reveal was going to be.
There's no way, not me.No, Yeah, I mean it

(40:30):
was Yeah, I agree, andthere's no I mean, the only people
that knew were the people had gotscreeners. There was one week that was
there was a leak on Reddit that'sthat was accurate the guests that they named
the actress and the um and therole she's playing. But that same person
is also posted supposed leaks from spiderMan the New Spider Man movie. So

(40:52):
it's interesting that that that person gainedcredibility like overnight, and which could have
been a total that would have beena random ass guess, but I can't
why. Yeah, I don't believethat that was a random guess. Somebody
knew something, somebody slipped up andtold the wrong person. You know,
I couldn't help myself but read theSpider Man Leaks. So now I kind
of hope it's true. Oh yeah, we didn't talk about how Alfred kind

(41:16):
of like spoiled a bit about aboutthe movie. Oh yeah, I don't
think we need to get into that, but yeah, it was still funny
though. Um. Yeah, soshe was great. It's great to see
her. I really hope we geta lot more. Um, I think
she's gonna be similar to, likeI said, to Nick Fury's role.
So I don't think we're gonna geta ton of her, but I think
we're gonna see a little bit ofher from like it's I would be surprised

(41:37):
if there wasn't like a post creditstinger next episode that was her, like
breaking Zemo out, or like stoppingthe wall condins and taking Zemo. Um.
I think it's pretty likely. Andthey and since since the cameo has
happened, they've said that she wassupposed to be revealed in the Black Widow
movie originally, which means that she'sprobably gonna be I'm guessing going to Taskmaster

(41:59):
or something that somebody nice that washer supposed to be her initial debut,
but they had to change that becauseof the COVID. Sure interesting. Interesting,
That might help explain it. Yeah, but it kind of explains why
they were pushing Black Widow so hard, trying to desperately release it, because
it did tie into stuff we didn'tknow about. What's interesting. Well,

(42:22):
I just as a prequel, it'sthere. I just wasn't sure how much
it was going to impact, youknow. Yeah, I definitely think it's
leading to Thunderbolts, and so I'mpretty excited about that, or there might
be a post credit thing of her, like meeting up with Thunderbolt Ross.
Right. I'm still convinced that somewherehe's going to show up because in the
end credits there's like a thing thathas his name in it, like you

(42:45):
know, you know how they havethese little splash pages of stuff and there's
like something of his in there.So it seems really random to throw his
name in there if you're gonna haveno connection to him at all, you
know. True. So I guesswe'll see, but I do expect there
to be if there's not one maybetwo post credit scenes, one of them

(43:07):
relating to him. Since wa division'sbait and switch, you know with Evan
Peters, I just don't know anymore. Well, that whole show was kind
of about being a bait and switch. I'm just kidding around. So but
uh, yeah, that's that's interestingstuff though. I mean, we'll we'll
see, I guess we'll see.Of course, we still have you know,

(43:28):
Van camp who you know, westill don't know exactly what her deal
is. She's just kind of around. Yeah, she had one quick scene
in here where she was hiring somebodyfor a quick bat track, right,
Yeah, yeah, that was cool. I mean it's it's a really randomly
random scene. I feel like itstill has something to do with like that

(43:51):
that other plot that they dropped andhad to cut out because that was a
really random scene in this episode.But I still think that she's not the
power Broker, and partially because andI remembered that in episode two I think
it was episode two. Uh.In madroport Or, when they're walking up
to Magriport, Zemo says Or talksabout how he's met the power Broker and

(44:16):
refers to him as a heat.So, I mean, unless Sharon Carter's
like hanging out in a dimly litroom and like using a voice changer that
makes her sound like a man,which I'm not saying, or they're gonna
or it's another bait and switch likeIron Man three in the Mandarin. It
could be. Yeah. I mean, you know, like years before this

(44:38):
was even a thing. I canjust say that, like, I almost
do not care. Who the powerBroker is at this point. Isn't gonna
make any difference. Really, Hishers whoever storyline is so little compared to
wrapping up Walkers, wrapping up Carlyis like they've got other things to worry

(45:00):
about. The Powerbroker, I'm finewith him or her just being a vague,
like nebulous kind of threat out thereuntil later, pick that up later.
I don't think they have to resolveSharon in this show. I don't
think that they do at this point. I feel like they have to give
some sort of resolution to it.They can't just like set up her storyline

(45:22):
and then just leave it, becausewhere else is she going to show up?
Not having season? Okay, Imean rather, did you read the
article that said that Loki is theonly show that's coming out this year that
they feel I could get a secondseason. I did read some of that,
Yeah, but I think that mighthave to do with the finale not
being out yet and they don't wantto spoil anything for people, and they

(45:45):
have plans. And again, itdoesn't have to be called the Falcon in
the Winter Soldier season two. Youknow, it can be called any number
of things. You know. It'sjust like, you know, Wandavision's a
limited series, sure, because herenvision are done, but the Adventures of
Wanda's could certainly be a show ina couple of years that's a continuation of
her story. Same deference, itwould be called Captain America in the White

(46:08):
Wolf. Sure, that's fine,say it doesn't matter, right, it's
gonna follow if it follows the samecharacters. She could show up there again.
I just I don't know that theywill resolve it. I don't know
if they have to resolve it.Well, they can't, maybe not resolve
it, but they do have tolike wrap it up in some way for
this season. I think they can'tjust like let that character just dangle after

(46:29):
the after the things that we've seen, it would feel incomplete. I'm saying,
you know, you have to haveit, at the very least some
sort of ending to the specific arc. You don't have to end her whole
storyline or anything, but just resolvethat Sam's trying to get her out of
Madroport or whatever. Like, itdoesn't even have to be a big thing.
But I don't think they could justleave that thread dangling. They just
need to kill her off. Hercharacters boring. Damn. I want to

(46:54):
like her character too, but theway they're utilizing her in this show right
now is a little odd. Andyeah, it's hard to like feel anything
about her other than like NTT.It's just very obvious that she has not
had a plan from the beginning.She has been you know, secret agent
love and tests related to like Peggy'sand niece and Steve's niece, and you

(47:20):
know, now she's like weird matropoorit their artbroker. She doesn't really have
like a huge storyline that needs tobe finished, to be completely honest,
Like there's no giant payoff in theend where she walks out in the sun

(47:43):
kind of thing. It's just,you know, get rid of her.
You don't know what you're doing withthe character. I just think it would
be poor writing to just like nottouch on where she's at at the end
of the series. Is all fairenough based on what they've set up,
it's wrong. They have a lotto do, you know. Obviously everything
is coming to a head. We'vegot you know, Carly and all of

(48:05):
her people have made it to NewYork City because everything has to happen in
New York City for the climax ofwhatever it is. And so they're all
there now with their weird zombie people. Because that's what it always looks like
to me. It never looks likeanybody is voluntarily looking at a message and
being like, yeah, let's godo this. It looks like zombies.
I don't know if that's intentional ornot, but that's what it looks like.

(48:29):
And then in New York, Walker'smaking his new shield, and obviously
something's gonna have to come to that. Do you guys think he's gonna spray
paint his suit black with the redstripes, like just changing blue to black
like his comic book version. Imean, or he might he might have
to have a new suit, becauseI know they keep talking about returning the

(48:49):
shield. I would imagine he'd haveto return the suit too, right,
It's military property, isn't it.Yeah, yeah, you know, if
they do, he's gonna have tohave a very similarly suit, so I
would think so yeah, yeah,I mean Sam's gonna have his new suit,
and I assume Bucky's gonna try andresolve stuff with the old Man from

(49:09):
the beginning of the season, becausethis episode alludes to that a lot,
and it would that again would beweird for that never to come back,
you know, because that seems likea pretty big deal. And then he's
gonna have to meet up in NewYork too, so a lot of people
have to get to New York.Yeah, so I think before we go,

(49:29):
because you know, we're it soundslike we're kind of wrapping up doing
our our final thoughts, we reallyshould talk about the Isaiah Bradley. Yeah.
See, I agree. That isa incredibly powerful, incredibly depressing story

(49:50):
with some relation to like real lifeunfortunately events and things a lot. I
mean, we don't have super soldiers, but we did experiment on people as
as a nation. We did giveblack people injections that were placebos and told
them that it was something some curevaccine for something. Well, Tuscagigee.

(50:10):
There were given syphilism. Yeah,I mean there was a lot of relation
in real life that was very depressing. Yeah, it's a really intense scene.
He is a fascinating character. Iwish that I didn't know about the
comic series that focuses on him untilvery very recently. Say that I got

(50:35):
the name wrong in an earlier episodewhen I talked about it. It's actually
just a recant. It's called Truth, Red, White, and Black.
I think I had the words mixedup. I wish I had known about
it before, because I just Ijust didn't. And it's just a very
it's a very interesting story because itshows, you know, it's not with

(51:00):
DC comics. You get a lotof elseworld stuff, right, you know,
like Red Sun where Superman crashes inthe USSR instead of in the United
States, And those are fun littlefantasy theories about what could happen. But
this is very much a real showof how different people can be in the
exact same situation and get completely differentresults, right in the same world,

(51:25):
right with the same resources, withthe same people, in the same country,
in the same military, during thesame war. And I think that's
a much more powerful story to betold because it shows that contrast that separates
you know, what what what privilegeis you know, Cap, Steve Rogers,

(51:46):
Cap that is, you know,was always the hero boy. Once
you know, once he got thatzero right, he is the hero.
There's even when he breaks the law, he's still pretty much beloved and a
hero. And Isaiah didn't have anyof those advantages at all, even though

(52:08):
he was just trying to save hisown people. You know, he wasn't
even trying to do anything else butsave of his own people. So it's
it's a very sad story. Isaiah'sstory is even more tragic in the show
than it is in the comics.They adjusted so that it almost mirrors caps

(52:30):
story completely. And in the comicshe was in the prison a lot less
time. His wife was still livewhen he got out, so they they
did their best to really make Isaiahhorrible mirror of America's treatment of black individuals.

(52:59):
So it's it's just it was heartbreakingwatching that scene and everything he said
felt like they weren't going to pullpunches that you know, they were going
to be as completely honest about thisas they possibly could in a fictional world.

(53:23):
Yeah, it was a powerful scene. I mean, you guys pretty
much said everything about it. Ihope we see more of the character.
Probably not in this show, butit'll be likely, maybe likely in a
Young Avengers show or what. Howeverthey end up handling that since his grandson,
is that what it is? Yeah, it becomes a hero. So

(53:44):
when Eli Bradley becomes the Patriot,which I'm sure they're leading up to at
some point or another, maybe ifthis does get a second season or a
continuing series or something, but Itruly believe that it's very likely he'll be
recast unfortunately. Do you think so? I do any particular reason a name

(54:07):
recognition, to be completely honest,like gotcha, I think they'll find somebody
about ten fifteen years younger than AnthonyMackie, but similar build and things like
that, and a bit more namelike maybe they'll look to the current YA

(54:28):
group, like actors on Riverdale orsomething Team Wolf. I don't know anything
else about that scene that you thinkis worth mentioning. I do appreciate that
they he didn't actually say what itdid that got the scars, because just

(54:55):
the horrifying look of it, youdon't need it to be said, you
know, for a fact that moreexperimentation than just injections were done on this
man. Yep. I didn't thinkit was funny that that Falcon carries the
shield around in like a symbol bag. It's like, you know, we

(55:15):
all know what that is, bro, Like, you're not hiding anything,
You're not protecting the shield because theshield doesn't need protection, Like, you're
not as flashy. Yeah, carryingaround a giant leather bag like it,
there's not any less flashy, really, I don't know, especially since people
recognize him regularly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so they know they're like,

(55:37):
oh, that's Falcon. I wonderwhat's in the shield shaped bag?
You know, he's not looking forthis shield. You know, it's a
little weird. Yeah. Yeah.You would have thought that Walker would have
told all those senators like, dude, I don't have your shield anymore.
It was stolen off me when theybroke my arm. You think he would
have mentioned that, you think,But well, I I'm not. I'm

(56:00):
sure if he wanted to admit that, because the entire part of punishing Walker,
you know, humiliation played a partin it too. I mean that's
why there were TV crews there,and it was he didn't want to admit
that he'd been beaten atually. Yeah, so I can imagine that like just
saying he lost it or something isbad enough, or you know the fact

(56:23):
that they still think he has itand he's just not giving it up.
Well, it's interesting that it washer named Contessa. She knows that Contessa
is her title. Okay, well, that's interesting that she knows that he
doesn't have the shield because the onlypeople that are really there for that we're

(56:43):
Bucky Salmon, John Walker. Yeah, that type of stuff, and Nick
Fury is the same way gets alittle trophy because they know everything all the
time when they like and there's noexplanation. Well, it may not be
that she witnessed the shield to getstolen. It may be that she's been
keeping eyes on Walker since that dayand the hearing, so maybe not with

(57:12):
him. Maybe they had drones fallingand or satellite imagery of him walking into
the building with the shield and thenthem walking out with it, you know
later, or so you know,it's a little weird, but yeah,
that's that's fine. Um, whatwhat else do we have here? So,
yeah, they fixed up the boat. That's really nice and cute.
That's that's got some really fun stuff. I really liked all that him I

(57:37):
want I am flirting with Sam's sisterwas great, or like giving hers like
a smile. I was like,Woo, Sam's got a new brother in
law. I do like their theirheart to heart that they have though before
the big training montage when they're justthey're gonna throwing the shield around, because
it finally shows how they kind ofneed each other in a way. You

(58:01):
know that neither of them is quiteone hundred percent without Steve, and they
can rely on the other to helpfill that void, and they kind of
need that because nobody else really understandswhat they've been through what they're going through,
right. Family can want to besupportive, family can do their best
to be to be there and tryand help, but they don't. They

(58:22):
didn't go through it. They don'treally see it from that perspective. They're
really the only two that can relate. And I like that they finally reached
that understanding and that kind of mutualrespect where the playful hating is now gone
and now it's more like playful banter. The talk about the amends, you

(58:45):
know, and things like that waspretty great. And you know, seeing
Sam kind of get to be acounselor again and you know Bucky. You
know, at the very beginning whenBucky is asked if he's having the nightmares
and he says no to the therapist, but then when Sam asked if he's
still having those nightmares, he saysall the time, or I believe he

(59:06):
said that. He says something alongthose lines night every night. Yeah,
but some implic same implication, buthe Yeah, that was he's opening up
and trusting more. And yeah,so that was That was a really pertinent
scene. Also, yep, thatwe would have missed had this been a
two hour movie. The training watagewas great though. I loved like the
whole like it was kind of rocky, like you know, the way it

(59:30):
was filmed. So yeah, itwas great. I like that he had
to learn because you know, usinga shield like that shouldn't just be second
nature to everybody. And that's kindof how we've seen it portrayed a lot
of the time, because we've seena lot of people use this shield.
I mean even Natasha uses the shieldand in a couple of moments, and
so to see that Sam has toreally practice with it to to understand how

(59:53):
it moves and how to catch itappropriately and all those types of things.
That was nice and seeing away hecatches versus the way Steve did it versus
the way Bucky does. It's interestingtoo, since he doesn't have super Soldier
serum to aid him in the abilityto catch it. You know, he
has to like absorb the recoil alittle more than somebody with a super superpower

(01:00:14):
would. So I thought that wasgood, and it was kind of a
funny, not not bait and switchthat's too strong, but like a mislead
in the trailer, because they reallycut it to make it seem like Sam
was like burying the shield in atree. So a lot of people thought,
oh, Sam does get the serumsomehow, and like that's not really

(01:00:35):
at all what happens. No trailers, man, they lie to you.
It's true. They lie. Sothis is it, guys. We've got
one episode left for the season,for the series. Maybe we don't really
know. We have no idea what'sgoing to happen. We imagine there'll be
a lot of fighting in this one. This one's probably gonna be very action
packed with some very heavy emotional moments. I'm gonna bet big time that they

(01:01:00):
bring back that Bucky and the OldMan thing. For example, what what
do you guys expect? Is thereanything that you think to guarantee anything you
want to see. I think we'regonna see Captain American Falcon. Obviously,
we're gonna see black Suit at usAgent. We're gonna see a stinger,
like I already mentioned a Thunderbolt stinger, some sort of tie in there.

(01:01:23):
But beyond that, I don't reallyknow, and I don't really know any
of those. I'm just guessing.But other than Captain American Falcon. Right,
well, I just hope that theydon't resolve Sharon's story just first fight.
Then I'm gonna spend half an hourin the next episode complaining about how

(01:01:44):
they didn't give her any kind ofa send off. There's a weird thing
in the credits that says, SharonCarter will be back just at the very
end, after all the stingers andeverything. Yeah, Oh, I love
it. I love it. That'shilarious. No, I don't know what

(01:02:06):
I want them to wrap up andwhat I want to see continue on,
but I just I get the feelingthat we're kind of done with the Zemo
for this series, but Zemo liveson in other things, and I get
the feeling that that maybe the mostwe see Julia Louis Dreyfus in for right

(01:02:32):
now. I don't know. Iwant to expect to see either of them
in the finale. Maybe she'll bein a stinger, you know, in
a post credit scene, but thatwould be the most I would expect.
I do expect pretty much everything thatRyan said. Yeah, you know,
I'm curious to see what this battlelooks like. I will be. I'm

(01:02:55):
really curious to see if Sam isable to really maybe talk to Carly again
and maybe they have to team upor something against Walker and realize that they're
there are two sides of a similarcoin. And then you're going to run
in the problem that we talked aboutin this episode where well, now you
need two super soldiers and Sam tobeat Walker. Well, I think there's

(01:03:17):
more too it, because there's gonnabe other people involved. Yeah, that
is a fun situation because Walker,Falcon and Carly are all similar people that

(01:03:37):
you know, could have been eachother with just a completely like one small
turn at some point, and theycould have had a different, different setup.
I think That's one of the thingsI really like about the way they're
handling things here, And we mentioneda bit about this last week with Zemo,

(01:04:00):
is that we're not really dealing withsupervillains in this show, right.
It's not Red Skull who wants totake over the world with laser weapons.
These are people who are complex,who are multifaceted, who are very gray.
None of them are all bad,but a lot of them do a
lot of really bad stuff. Carleand Walker are bad people. But Carly

(01:04:23):
starts off trying to fight for agood cause, and she takes it too
far and starts killing innocent people andstarts justifying the killing of innocent people and
talking about, you know what itwould be symbolically to kill certain people,
and then she does. She killsBattlestar and sets off Walker, and now

(01:04:44):
she's plotting right in the center ofNew York, so we get to see
her downfall too, on top ofWalkers. You know, she doesn't start
at the same level that Walker does, because Walker starts as this big,
you know, war hero. Shekind of starts already on the outs.
But we get to see her downfalltoo, and I think her and Sam
are much more alike than than Walker, because I think Sam. Sam really

(01:05:08):
understands what she's going through, whatshe is, what she has gone through,
and he gets why she's willing todo what she does, even if
he disagrees with it, whereas Walker'skind of just an ass most of the
time. I mean really, like, maybe there's a more elegant way to
say that, but he is.It's true, yeah, you know,

(01:05:30):
like Carly being pushed too far,is her people dying, her people being
evicted from their homes, their resourcesbeing you know, withheld, Walker being
pushed too far, you know,was being beat up by women warriors.
They weren't even super soldiers, rightexactly. That's that's his takeaway from that

(01:05:51):
scene, right, so you knowtheir priorities are pretty jack now. I
mean, yes, he's trying toavenge the death of his friend by the
end of last week of the previousepisode, but that he's already taken the
serim at that point. He's alreadyon that path, you know. Yeah,
So so we'll see, we'll seewhat happens, guys. Any final

(01:06:11):
thoughts. I've given my final filmsI think twice now, so just checking.
I don't want anyone to feel likethey didn't get to say something.
So this is it. It's theend of the episode. We'll be back
next week to talk episode six,the finale of the Falcon and the Winter
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