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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
My name is Jason Landry.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
My name is Jason Landry, and I'm currently a sophomore
in Texas State. I've been interested in joining the sound
recording technology program here since my senior year of high
school after visiting after.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Why this road?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Why here? Why?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Then?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
All those questions they don't mean anything when you think
about will your child ever walked through the door?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Again?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
That was Kent Landry, father of missing person Jason Landry,
talking about the hardships that every family that has a
missing loved one faces, but Kent and his family are
facing a lot more with all of this. Some people
are saying that perhaps law enforcement early on in the
investigation could have done more, maybe they've let them down
(01:41):
a little bit. But Kent is flat out calling out
the media and one particular piece of information that is
turning the conversation at least in this social media space
in a whole different direction. And to be perfectly honest
with you, guys, I don't know if it's helpful to
this case at all. Let's get into today's case. This
(02:02):
is one of those where we have a vehicle. It
looks like there's an accident, vehicle is left behind, but
the person goes missing. It's a really tough case. Reminds
me a little bit of the Brandon Laws in case.
Of course, people will probably also compare it to the
more a Murray case. These are some of the biggest
mysteries that we have that we're looking into constantly, just
(02:27):
throwing new theories at it, new ideas because it seemingly
doesn't make sense, especially when you have very strong search
efforts that are going on for the missing person, as
we've had in all of the cases that I just mentioned.
But let's go ahead and get into the details and
see what we can learn here. Starting with NamUs Jason
David Landry, a white Caucasian male, date of last contact
(02:51):
December thirteenth, twenty twenty, missing from Luling, Texas at the
age of twenty one years old. He stands at six
foot one one, weighs around one hundred and seventy pounds,
and date of last contact they do have it listed
as December thirteenth, pretty late in the day. December thirteenth
(03:12):
is a Sunday, and apparently he goes to drive home
from college. He's got about a three hour drive or
so home and somehow it seems like he takes maybe
a wrong turn or a missed turn and winds up
in an area that is off of his path. It's
(03:32):
kind of going north when he really should be going east.
So a lot of questions around that. Already circumstances of disappearance.
Jason's Nissan Ultima, which was a two thousand and three,
we're going to see a few photos of it as
we're going through this today, was found Sunday, December thirteenth,
just outside of Luling. It had been crashed and abandoned
(03:52):
on a road. Luling is about thirty minutes away from
San Marcos, where Texas State University is located, and saw
Flat Road is the name of the road that his
vehicle is found on. One of the other things that's
really kind of tough to understand about this case is
there's despite the fact this is a rural area, there
seems to be regular enough traffic that they've kind of
(04:15):
pinpointed the timeframe pretty strongly. They said that someone drove
by somewhere around eleven eleven thirty that night did not
see the accident. And then you have a volunteer firefighter
who's coming back from a call not related to this
incident that finds the car, and that happens somewhere around
twelve thirty am, So we've got a pretty tight window
(04:37):
of one hour, which in terms of having a missing
person and having Jason seemingly just disappear from the planet
is just mind boggling. How does it happen if he
would have stayed with the vehicle. I mean, at most
he would have waited an hour, and it seems like
probably a lot less than that. Brown hair, brown eyes doesses.
(05:00):
I don't know if he was wearing them during this drive.
I don't know if he wears contact lenses. Also for
scars or marks. They're saying on his ankle, possibly the
right ankle, there's a scar. They're also saying he had
a lymph node removed from his neck on the right side,
and then he does have some light acne scarring on
his face, clothing and accessories.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
They don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Luling, Texas, is a city in Caldwell and Guadalupe Counties
among the or along the San Marcos River. The population
as of the twenty ten census was five four hundred
and eleven people, and it looks like there's a lot
of space out there continuing at kxan dot com. Even
locals have been looking for Jason. It's thousands of acres
(05:46):
and today I'm searching as close to the roads as possible,
neighbor Stuart Carter said. Sergeant Dion Cockrell with Texas DPS
said they're concentrating on particular areas in their search. We're
still concentrating on areas like the creaks and the water,
Cockrel said, but as of right now, we haven't found him.
And here we are over a month later, we still
(06:08):
haven't found him. Jason Landry went missing December thirteenth of
twenty twenty. In twenty twenty four, I went out there
for the vigil and search. There's a video available of
that on my YouTube channel. I'll have a link to
(06:28):
it in the show notes. There's some cases that you
just get closer to than others, and Jason's case is
one of those that has gotten square into my heart.
And it's a big part of that is because of
his family. His parents are two amazing individuals, and it
(06:56):
hurts to know what they're dealing with, But in some way,
I'm proud to be a small part of their story,
a small part of their journey and maybe just a
sliver of comfort and hope for them. I've worked really
hard on this case pretty much from the start. Our
first episode, those clips that you were just listening to,
(07:18):
that was from a little over a month after he
went missing. A few weeks after that, we did a
special episode with Kent. We were one of the earlier
podcasts or YouTube shows that he would talk to, and
I pulled in my friend Ed Denzil from the Unfound podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
We did a.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Special deep dive episode and it was really important because
Kent had such key information. Kent basically turned into an
investigator the moment he heard his son was missing. He
went to the scene, he took photos, he was finding stuff.
It was just remember, this case was one of those
that someone in law enforcement might roll up on and say, oh,
(07:59):
some kids got in a drunk driving accident and they
just ran off and we're going to hear from them tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And that's not the reality of this case.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
We are now five years down the road, and speaking
of five years down the road, I'm recording this literally
the day after coming back from luling again, I went
back out for the fifth anniversary for the vigil for
the search efforts, and I was out there with another
friend from another show, Lance from crawl Space. On the
(08:28):
drive back to the airport, we decided to fire up
the recorders and just talk about the experience, talk about
what it was like, and we wanted to do that
to share it with you, the seriously mysterious audience as
well as the missing audience, I think is where Lance
will wind up running some of this. So I hope
(08:48):
this is insightful. I hope that you will keep the
Landryes in your heart this holiday season. I hope that
if you get the opportunity to come out and join
us for one of these searches, that you please do.
We need help and there's a lot of people that
very strongly believe he is out there waiting to be discovered,
(09:09):
and it's just going to take the right set of
eyes looking in the right direction at the exact right
time for that to happen, and maybe that could be you.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
All right, We are literally leaving Luling.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Texas, my second time being out here for the Jason
land research and Lance's first time. We figured we would
kick on some microphones, get some recording going and just
kind of talk about the experience, what it was like
takeaways and all that good stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Where are you at with it? Lance?
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I think I'm reflecting on the heaviness of it right
off the bat. Yeah, Like even flying in, you know,
and just seeing the different type of terrain. You're not
used to it when you're from you know where you
and I are from. It's familiar, but it's not at
the same time, you know, First time being out here
was really eye opening. Also, first time being at Jason's crash.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Site was sort of a revelation.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like you see it
in pictures, you hear about it, and it's different when
you're there, especially there, Like first thing you get is
just this heaviness, and that's a really heavy area, really
really heavy area, And I remember thinking like it wasn't
a lot of good energy there. All the people showed
up and that changed the energy, but without people in
the dark, like that is a really that's like heavy
(10:46):
is the only word I could use. I can't imagine
being him in the dark. That's the way he was.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Roll it back a little bit and just kind of
talk us through your feelings as we were driving, because
we kind of basically we were with Jason Watts and
he took us on the path that Jason Landry kind
of drove. Yeah, so we kind of swung a little
deeper into town and it flipped around and then made
(11:10):
the same entry. What were you noticing on the way
in and how are you feeling about it?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Okay, So getting back to like when you're looking at
a map or you're hearing somebody describe how he took
a wrong turn, and I'm air quoting, I mean, it's
it's more than a wrong turn, like when we went
down when we got off the main road and we
started down that road that he went down.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It's really quick before you.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Were like, I'm not going in the direction I should
be going unless you're intending to go down this road
which is like paved, and then it's like it's like
kind of gravel after that, but you learn you figure
out very quickly that you're not on a main road. Yeah,
and I was really surprising, And it gets sparse and
remote really fast. And by the time you're on a
(11:55):
dirt road, you still have many opportunities to turn around.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, it's straight, you have many opportunities.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Didn't realize, like I screwed up somewhere, so I got
to get myself back on track. You can get yourself
back to the highway in a minute, right.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Like there's a bunch of those roads that cut across
and if you know, all I need to do is
make a left turn, and that's going to get me
over to another highway.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
There's a ton of opportunities.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
For that, even if you didn't know that. Yeah, you
haven't made any turns read right?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I when I first came out last year, I was
driving to the site on my own.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I didn't have Jason Watts.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Driving me, And as soon as I got out of
like the neighborhood area, I realized, Okay, this is the road.
And I just recognized it because of the episodes I
did and he's in the Google maps and stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'm like, Okay, this is obviously the place.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah, but I didn't realize how far out on that
road it was. And I was literally calling Jason within
a few miles being like, dude, I think I'm in
the wrong place or I missed the turn or something
thing and he's like, nope, nope, nope, just keep going.
And there's something about that that's weird. In itself because
of that aspect, like you're driving, you're in neighborhoods, the
(13:10):
neighborhoods fin out and all of a sudden they're not
there anymore and you're just in like cattle and oil land,
and then the road cuts away. Like this time when
we were driving out, I was trying to key into
Lance's sensations and his instinct about what was happening. And
there was probably, like I would imagine, maybe four different
(13:31):
conditional changes where it was like, okay, you would know
by now, no, no, no, okay, well you would definitely know
by now.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And for some reason, Jason Landry pushed past all that
to wind up where he did.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And it's still it just it blows my mind. This
trip I really struggled with. I had want to apply
logic and I want to understand his intent, and the
more you try to understand about that, the further lost
you get because it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, and you want.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
To try to make that make sense because you think
that that's going to have something to do with where
he is, right, But I feel like after going out
there and realizing all of the different opportunities that he
chose to not take to turn around or to you know,
take a left or something like that. Like it really
(14:27):
kind of like getting in getting in his headspace. I
don't think matters as much now in my mind as
it did before. That's true, he was he was going
through some sort of psychological break. Yeah, ninety nine percent
sure that And I'm not saying me. I think everybody's
ninety nine percent sure that he's the one that took
off his clothes. I think that's evident by where the
(14:48):
fish was placed, which I didn't really picture as accurately
in my head when I heard that he had.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
His fish and he left his fish there too.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
His fish and the backpack were placed on the side
of the road, like he placed them there so theydn't
be in the way of anything, Like he didn't want
his fish to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That was so instantly obvious to me.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
And then he went into the road and started taking
his clothes off, Yeah, and left his clothes just kind
of on the road.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
But that placement of the.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Fish showed me that he made a decision to keep
the fish safe.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And I think there's also a difference that you know,
we're not looking at a it wasn't just like some
type of questioning his morality or faith or religion or
something like that, Like it seems like he's struggling with
a mental health episode.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Yeah, I'm curious what you thought of the smell when
we first got there. The smell and the sound of
the oil rigs.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Oh man.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I mean, the the only way to describe it when
you're actually hearing it. And I ran it in the
video I did last year as like part of the
intro segment because it was the most grounding thing that
I noticed out there. Was just like this kind of
feels like the start of a horror movie. It is
(16:26):
a bizarre sound that if you put yourself it's just
imagined that you're out there in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You can hardly see anything.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
It's just got this creepy vibe to it, and you
might know logically it's like, oh, those are pump jacks,
and yeah, it's just it's squeaking, but it almost sounds
like a cry or a wail or a screeching.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's yes, it sounds terrifying. Yeah, it's very rhythmic. Yeah,
And that's the other thing. It's it's rhythmic and it's droning.
There was.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I think I noticed with for you that it was
particularly disturbing when you first heard it and realized, oh
my god, like this is what it sounds like out here.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Interestingly, and when we first showed up, you could definitely
feel the weight of the location and the weight of
what was going on. But as the weekend went on
and we were out in that environment more and more,
there was I don't know, for me, it was almost
like you're coming out of night time and into dawn.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Or something like that. I heard that same sound, but
it started sounding musical, it started sounding comforting.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah yeah, And it was like the Yeah, we were
all out there. We had, you know, fourteen people out
there searching, and I think there's this psychological rebound that
you have to have when you're like, oh my god,
I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
For remains of a young man. Yep.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
And it started with like kind of jokes would kind
of pop up, and we're trying to have a good
time with each other and keep each other happy in
this and motivated. But it was it was like only
that sound changed as the weekend went on.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally agree, and that that heaviness,
that weight, and that that energy that I felt when
we first got there was.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I don't know, like.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Suppressed because of all of the positive energy and the
amazing contributions that all of the searchers and the people
who provided the food for us, and everybody who just
provided all the support, you know, from Jim just being
based up in his car, you know, making sure that
(18:36):
you know, he's looking at them at the app watching
our tracks, like just being reassured about that and being
reassured that if you know, any one of us got hurt,
or if any one of us needed to go back
to the home base there there would be some water
and food there. There was water in the trucks, like
all of that stuff, all of that supportive stuff, and
the people just brought this incredible energy.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
To the search.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
I think, like, I don't know, in my head, I'm
thinking like that environment, that terrain, that type of nature
wanted to hurt us at every turn.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And I'll get into that.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
In a minute, but I feel like we battled back
with this like this you know, energy that transcended that.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, you know, we were there for a good cause.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
We were there with good people, and that goodness kind
of it didn't take away off the thorns and the
cactus and all of that, but it helped alleviate some
of that weight.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
There's so much compassion and care at all angles of
how the search team has made up the reason that
they're there attending the vigil speaking, which have you attended
a vigil before?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
What you think of that experience?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Oh? No, this is a solid Yeah, this is This
vigil is right up there with the best that I've attended,
and I hate to say best, but the most organized,
the most like impactful.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
With Lisa and Kent being there and speaking.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
And especially Lisa going through all of the things that
people did for them without saying who did it? I
thought that was really interesting, you know she she just
like went through it as bullet points, which I thought
was a super effective way to do it.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
What was also special for the people that were the
because you know that she's talking about.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You certain people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
She didn't want it to be like analyst of this
person in this port because their actions actually speaks more
to the overall tone of like she was trying to
make the point of there's so many people.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, that have done so much. Yeah, and actually.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
It's also a good way to not miss somebody, right right,
I'm just I'm gonna list all the all the things,
not the people.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Yeah, but they were able to get and I know,
I know it sounds small, but they were able to
get good power, could sound, good lighting to the lights
owner fell over right, which a little accidental lights out,
but everybody like stepped up and helped it. Like I
thought for sure that thing was done for the night.
I was like, he's going to come back for that
another time. There's no way this is happening. But you know, everybody,
(21:07):
everybody chipped in and helped. But you know, all of
that just leads to a much better experience. They had food, refreshments,
everybody made sure that they were talking to everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Yeah, I'm not just talking about Kent, Lisa, but like
you and I were approached by many people just to
be like, hey, how's it going. You know, they no
one knows, no one knows anybody, right, So it was
just to build off of that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Good community that was going on there.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
So yeah, to answer your question, it was an amazing
vigil and then it felt meaningful, it felt impactful.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It did and it it reminded me that it's it's
like the one of the worst reasons in the world
that we have to be out there, But it's so
special that there's a bunch of people that are going
out there, that are being a part of that the
search team that goes out there several times a year,
and I don't know, it's just it's not only about
(22:03):
how much we are caring about the Landryes. In that moment,
it really makes me think of like, Wow, this is
a bunch of really good people that really they must
love their families, they must have these deep connections because
they're out here helping people that used to be strangers.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I mean now I.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Feel like in some way like I'm I'm you know,
like a cousin of the family, like almost.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Terms of connectivity. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure they feel
the same way. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
But there was also a very sad realization that I
kind of hit with it that I mentioned to you,
which was it feels like a funeral or it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Feels like a way like a celebration of life, and
they have to do it over and over and over,
and I don't I don't think they mind it.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
There are very beautiful moments that happen in it, especially
with family members that come up and tell stories about
Jason as a young man or funny things that he
did or happened around him, but just realizing it's just
a reminder of that aspect we always talk about with
missing persons cases, that the families are stuck. Yeah, and
(23:09):
they are literally stuck having his funeral every single year.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, and they you know, they.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Indicated that and it shows even more when viewing the
videos of Jason through the years, that was.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Tough to watch. It's even like tough to talk about.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Like you watch this, my god, you watch this kid
like super bright, super bubbly, great smile, you know, smart, musical,
obviously loved by his friends and family, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Like it's suspended a time. That's it, right, you know.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
The last thing you see is like there's no more,
Like I couldn't even imagine that as a parent, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Yeah, they mentioned that he has nieces and that he's
never met that never yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Yeah, or that they've they have they've never met him.
They need to be told about, you know, who their
uncle is or was.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
He also liked to wear colorful socks and something that
the l Hendri's left for the search team was always
packs of different socks, and because he was so into
music and played so many different instruments, the socks have
different musical instruments all over.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And Swedish fish, oh, and Swedish fish. That's right, that's right.
When you notice about the terrain out there.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Okay, love Jason Watts, love all of the things that
he's done. But Jason Watts said, to steer clear of
the devil's cactus. Right, it might be called the devil's
fern or something like that too. He said that there's
regular cacti, and of course there's rattlesnakes and wild boar
(24:55):
and a number of different things that aren't naturally occurring
out there. With the way he said it, which was
like steer clear of the devil's cactus, made me think
like you'd see one every so often, like poison iving, right,
and you'd be like, there it is, I'm going.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
To walk around.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
It's not that the case. No, it is what grows
out there. It's everywhere you do not steer clear of it.
It's there. You just deal with it. It's the most
rugged terrain I have ever been in. Nothing in that
area wants you to come out of there feeling better.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No, this wants to hurt you.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
This year was definitely different than last year, and I
thought it was already tough enough last year. But last
year it was kind of more like pastures that we
were working on. You would have these large sections where
you could actually walk, and then there'd be a tree
in your way or a cactus bush of some some type,
something like that, a little like when you'd hit the
(25:50):
rough spots.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
They were rough spots. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
The search this year was on a different property, which
I was excited about because the location of it is
kind of between saw Flat Road and then the next
highway over, and I just keep imagining, you know, in
the dark, with psychosis or not, that the only other
thing you can hear besides the pump jacks is the
hum of the traffic on that highway.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
So I was excited about searching in that area, But
now I'm not so excited about it because, as I
explained to my wife this morning, you could not walk
ten feet in any direction without being pricked by all thorn.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I mean I wish it was ten feet. Yeah, Honestly,
in most places it's not even ten. Yeah, yeah, it was.
It was insane.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, some thorns on some of those trees out there.
Of the thorns can be over an inch long inch
and a half yep, and it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
It's brutal.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Yeah, everything out there has a thorn on it. Yeah,
everything out there has a thorn. If it's a beautiful flower,
it's probably more deadly to you.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I do love the fact that the search itself was
so well organized. We didn't even like actually start moving
until the leaders of the search, Jason, Jennifer and Cindy,
got everybody in a position and they wouldn't let us
walk until everybody was like properly distanced from each other,
and then it was like, okay, now it's time to walk.
And you learn really quick what you're going to be
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walking through and what you're going to be walking around.
And I remember getting the first bit of Devil's cactus
on me and things early on. It was early on,
and I was like, I was like, oh, no, I
got this on me. This is going to suck for
the rest of the day, this one spot. And then
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you realize very quickly, no, this is actually just going
to keep happening over and over, so you just have
to get.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Used to it.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
The terrain was pretty intense, so many odd things out there.
We didn't see any bores, we didn't see any snakes.
I was surprised them that were alive, at least that
were alive that showed themselves to us. It's like incredible
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mental exhaustion and and it's like training that you put
your brain through, yeah, to keep your head down and
keep your head up, and keep your head this way
and that way looking for things.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
And after you find.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Your first bone, which is probably an animal bone.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Your brain starts.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
To learn what it's looking for.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
And that's even that's even something that I found I
had to kind of like get retrained on, even though
I was out there doing the.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Search last for that. I can see that yeah, yeah,
because you're you're just not used to it to.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
The difference that you need to identify because there's so
many rocks out there that are white, yeah, and round,
and the shapes that you're looking for and the color
that you're well, it's the color you think you're looking
for until you.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Actually see a bone and you're like, oh, it's that white. Yeah. Different.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, it's got like a different texture it's it's not
as shiny.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, I don't know. I guess I would explain it
as almost an eggshell totally. Yeah, yep. But then the
not only was the terrain.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Dangerous and out to get you and wanting to make
sure that you understood its power. I honestly, I'm like,
I'm considering the terrain in my head as like a
living entity.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Oh like it does not. It did not want us
in there.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
It did its best to like make sure that we
knew whose boss at every turn. Yeah, and you can't
like forcibly push through it.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's going to make it worse.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Well, and the thing is, as the day goes on,
you start kind of losing your mental dexterity.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
There was a couple of times where I'm like, I'm
just walking through this and then I'm just I come
out with scrapes.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Yeah, like yeah, after lunch, I got way too cocky.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, I got you know.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
I was like I go into the into the terrain
and just feeling way too good.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
About you know, being used to it, and it'll remind you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I explained it to Jason late yesterday, as it's like
this environment keeps saying no, like every which direction you
want to go, or oh you want to take a
step over here?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
No, no, yo, you want to do this? No, you
got to earn that.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah, just over and over and over. Now here's a
crazy thing about it. As hostile as it sounds, we
kept finding these moments of almost like bizarre beauty in it.
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Definitely there was a spider web that I saw that
looked like this spider was trying to be an artist
and it wanted to make an eyeball out of a spider.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, it was just these these moments when you're out
there and you're having to deal with all these elements
and all of a sudden you look at some like
a dead tree, but the way that it's all twisted
and it just looks beautiful. Or you know, there's a
lot of industrial things that are out there. There's this
one site where it looked like it must have been
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some type of structure that it burned and there was
this metal that had all twisted, but it almost looked
like a sculpture in its current form.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, yeah, like a modern art sculpt sculpture. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
And I don't know if that's also just part of
kind of the reflex that you're having emotionally processing what
you're out there doing and the type of environment you're in.
But there were just these little bright spots of like,
oh wow, that's kind of cool, look at that. And
I was taking pictures left and right for those moments.
So what did you have any interesting finds or moments
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in terms of things you came across.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
I mean we came across bones, like we all came
across certain like different types of bones.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, what would tell just take them through?
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Like what's the normal course on something like that, like
you call bone?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, I feel like not raising a huge antenna was important.
So you see something that looks like a bone, at
least for myself, I would go closer to it.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I would look at it with the stick and.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Turn it over, and then if it still looked like
a bone, I would pick it up. If it was,
like the only thing I really know about bones if
they're not like perfectly identifiable as a bone, is if
they're like kind of porous.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Right, So I look at that, and then my.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
First my first thing that I would do is I
don't even think I would say bone. I think I
would just if Jennifer Jason moved next to me or Cindy.
I would just say their name and kind of hold
it up because I felt like I didn't want to
be a person who kept thinking that something amazing was
(32:54):
just found right right, and then they would come over
and tell me what it was. What I really liked
about it was that they would always be very complimentary.
They'd say like, good, I like a good good job.
That's what we're doing, that's what we're looking for, looking
for anything like this. So it made you feel like
you were doing the right thing, which made you want.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
To look harder. Yeah. Yeah, Well what would do would
you do? Uh? Yeah, I would, I would.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I would call bone And we had a couple that
The normal course that I've seen is.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
You call it out.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Someone comes over and there's things that they can identify
very quickly that are like, Okay, yeah, this is boor oh,
this one's col this one's dear. There's only one that
we had in both days, well both weekends that I've
now been out where they couldn't immediately say this is
(33:49):
not human.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
So most of the vast majority of the time, it's
them coming and very quickly like hey, good job.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
But Yeah, that one's poor, that one's cal.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
And there's even when you have that happen sometimes it
feels good because you'll realize that you're now in a
field of remains and all of a sudden you're finding
other bones very quickly. And for me personally, that just
kind of gives me hope about like, well, if we
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come across remains that are belonging to a person, there's
a very good chance that we're going to find it
like this, like a like a scattering of there's more here,
and hopefully there'll be enough to do an identification or
something along those lines.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I know that's not always the case obviously, but it's
motivational for you at the moment exactly because at least
for the animal remains that we were bumping into, that
was kind of the norm as well. It wasn't like
you would just find the jawbone of a hog somewhere
and that was it. You would find the jaw and
see part of the top of its head, maybe a
(34:58):
couple of legs, vertebrae, it was all, you know. Usually
it was a find of multiple bones in a spot
like that. Yeah, but I think the weirdest thing from
this particular weekend is a find that happened on one
of the properties where there was there was a piece
of metal that kind of caught my attention and I
(35:20):
wanted to go and kind of look. But it was
in this very thick, of course prickly brush, and I
could see that there was some type of fabric next
to it. And you know, these are oil fields, so
there's people that are working them and finding rags out
there is pretty common, yeah, gloves, yeah, yeah, you're seeing
pieces of fabric all over the place. But as I
(35:41):
was looking at this fabric and I wasn't sure if
it was one piece or several pieces, some of it
was very clearly identifiable as rug. Like you could see
the coils on top for the upward fasic part of
the rug, and then you could see the underside.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Where the grippy part, yeah, the grippy part of the rug.
So we called the crew over and I think it
took Cindy to actually get in there. I know Jess
kind of poked in and pulled some out, but Cindy
was a little smaller. We called Cindy over because there
was duct take.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah, well that was that was the I mean The
thing was the rug was already weird because it was
out of place, Like, we're in the middle of this property.
This isn't the type of cloth we would usually see.
There's like, what the heck is this big rug going here?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Hinned under a rusted out old gas tank?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, yeah, from a car exactly, a car's gas tank
was right next to it.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
And realizing that it wasn't several pieces of cloth, it
was all just this one ruck which was deteriorating. It
had it looked like at one point it was white
or cream colored, and there was dark marks obviously all
over it, which I don't know if it could just
be mud because.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
It rings out there and everything's so you know, dirty
as it is.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
But then yeah, Jason, you know, starts pulling on it
and he's like, is that duct tape, which if it
was a certain amount of duct tape, I wouldn't necessarily
think is strange, But the fact that it was inside
the rug and it was maybe a nine to ten
inch length, yeah, it just it looked like it was
(37:20):
a binding of some kind. There was it was double layered.
In one section it looked like it had ripped, but
the other end you could see it kind of got
folded over at some point.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
It just it was very, very bizarre.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
And you know, at some locations out there you can
see that people are dumping stuff by the roadside.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
This wasn't close enough to any else. It wasn't even
it was like tucked into this tree. Yeah, it was
tucked into this tree.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
When I say tucked into this tree, I need people
to understand, like, wasn't like under the base of a
tree with this lovely canopy right, the tree had confused
itself into the ground.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
We had to like like push our way through these
thorny fines to see it.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And Cindy came over and she didn't seem like she.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Was super like her her like her her antenna wasn't
up like as high as it was until she saw
the duct tape. Yeah, And we kept saying like it
wasn't weird until we like, it wasn't super weird until
we saw the duct tape. Yeah, Like if we didn't
see duct tape, I don't know how much of a
deal we would have made.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
It been, Oh, there's a there's someone rugs and brought
a rug maybe had something to do with the gas tank,
like it was wrapped around it or sure.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, yeah, but once she actually saw the duct tape, yeah,
she did say that this is weird, like that's you know,
you start putting it together, like why is there this
one random piece of duct tape that is in within
the folds of this rolled up, folded.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Up like carpet. Right.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Also, the gas tank was was odd, but there was
like this locker or something right there as well, this
rusted out locker. It was rusted to the same degree
as the gas tank. So I'm assuming yeah, it was
deposited at the same time, and Sydney was sticking her
stick in there, and you know, she's like, well, it's empty,
but it's kind of full of like debris and leaves
(39:18):
and just stuff from nature. And I was sticking my
stick in there too and trying to pull stuff out,
but you just couldn't get to it. Yeah, So it's
been marked on the on the maps. I hope they
go back to check out that area. I'm not saying
that there's a body in this No, in this locker.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Like, we we opened it up as much as we could,
we went through it. We didn't see any anything that
seemed like remains.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah, No, bones came out or anything like that. But yeah, honestly,
like there was still a lot of stuff in that
locker that or I don't even I'm calling it a locker. Yeah,
but there was still a lot of natural debris in there.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Well so yeah, effectively, they there's an app that we're
using when we're searching called cal Tobo, and it's basically
literally following every searcher and tracking their path. And what
they would do with that is they kind of set
like a way point on there that's saying there was
an item of interest found here. On top of that,
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I kind of suggested to Jason, like, hey, is this
something we could just run by the landowner and just say, hey,
did you know, is there any reason why, you know,
a rug would be left in this particular location. So
there might be a little kind of follow up that
happens on that, but not quite the same as if
we would have found some you.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Know, remains that could potentially be human or something with it,
and then a bone that you found today this morning.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Yeah, Yeah, which I don't know if we can talk about,
I mean, all we could. I think it's fair just
to say that it could not be ruled out as
animal like that's that's as far as we'd really take
the same thing. It's been noted, location has been noted,
and you know, if there's additional follow up that that
happens on that, I'm sure they will tell us at
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some point.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
But so yeah, I don't know. Yeah, quite a weekend.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Definitely, yesterday alone felt like a week long. Like it's
it's a it's a bit of a grind. You go
through this period where your brain has to get acclimated
to what you're doing. You have to stay hydrated, you
have to keep putting on sunscreen, like, you have to
be very cautious about taking care of yourself while you're
(41:28):
doing it.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And literally after the first shift, which is you.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Know, usually about four hours and you go back for lunch,
like you already pretty much feel exhausted.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Yeah, and then physically, yes, but it's really the mental
exhaustion of Yeah, you know, after you leave, your eyes
are still looking like my eyes are still looking at
the ground right now, right, looking for anything that's like
eggshell white.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah. The fact that.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
We were in such good company I think was one
of my biggest takeaways.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yeah, I think that's what brings me back is.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, Well there's two aspects. There's well maybe three.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
One is I want the Landrys to know and feel
that they're being cared about.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Two is I mean, I gotta say Jason Watts in
particular and his motivation for helping this family has been
a big.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Draw for me, and especially you know with the work
that he did on the brand and loss in Case
and everything. Like, Jason and I frequently refer to each
other as brother and I really feel that, Yeah, we
are very connected. So anything to help Jason I kind
of want to be a part of. But through that
(42:45):
I got introduced to this great group of people.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
And I don't know, that's what keeps motivating me to
do it.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
You know, I can't say it's fun crawling through brush
and like being pricked over and over. Yeah, but there
is an element of it that almost feels childlike in
terms of or I guess if you're a person likes
hiking or something like that, you know, just being out
in nature, being in this element that might be just
(43:13):
a hint dangerous. It feels a little bit I don't know,
it just reminds me of being a kid.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
Yeah, and that's okay, Yeah, we were talking about that
last night. It's okay to say this brings you back
to something that was really basic and enjoyable to the highest.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Degree, right right, So yeah, I think and the fact
that we're doing it and it's.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Progressing the story of this family and Jason, Yeah, it
feels really good.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Absolutely, And you still do get a sense of accomplishment,
even though we can't say we made the big find
or the big discovery. Just knowing that you are marking
off sections of that me app and knowing that you
know there's going to be a report that goes back
to the family of Hey, here's where we looked, here's
the things that happened, and there was a bunch of
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more people that came out, you know, caring about you
guys and try and find help you find your son.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Yep, and it's just one step closer to actually finding remains.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
I hope you enjoyed getting some insights into what it's
been like looking for Jason Landry over the past two
years and in particular this past weekend. And a very
special thank you to my friend Lance Ree and steering
A from Cross Space and Missing podcast. I really appreciate
having you at my side there Lance helping. Of course,
(44:42):
a big thank you to the search team, the Landry family,
everyone that is rallying around them and supporting them. And
I wouldn't have been able to make this trip if
it wasn't for several caring people part of my secret
studio family over at Lord and Art's studio too. From
the bottom of my heart, thank you guys so much.
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That's going to be the last episode for twenty twenty five.
We'll be back with a brand new episode on Tuesday,
January sixth. Let's continue looking into the seriously mysterious together
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
My name is Jason Landry.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
My name is Jason Landry, and I'm currently a sophomore
in Texas State. I've been interested in joining the sound
recording technology program here since my senior year of high
school after visiting after.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Why this road?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Why here? Why?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Then?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
All those questions they don't mean anything when you think
about will your child ever walked through the door?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Again?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
That was Kent Landry, father of missing person Jason Landry,
talking about the hardships that every family that has a
missing loved one faces, but Kent and his family are
facing a lot more with all of this. Some people
are saying that perhaps law enforcement early on in the
investigation could have done more, maybe they've let them down
(01:41):
a little bit. But Kent is flat out calling out
the media and one particular piece of information that is
turning the conversation at least in this social media space
in a whole different direction. And to be perfectly honest
with you, guys, I don't know if it's helpful to
this case at all. Let's get into today's case. This
(02:02):
is one of those where we have a vehicle. It
looks like there's an accident, vehicle is left behind, but
the person goes missing. It's a really tough case. Reminds
me a little bit of the Brandon Laws in case.
Of course, people will probably also compare it to the
more a Murray case. These are some of the biggest
mysteries that we have that we're looking into constantly, just
(02:27):
throwing new theories at it, new ideas because it seemingly
doesn't make sense, especially when you have very strong search
efforts that are going on for the missing person, as
we've had in all of the cases that I just mentioned.
But let's go ahead and get into the details and
see what we can learn here. Starting with NamUs Jason
David Landry, a white Caucasian male, date of last contact
(02:51):
December thirteenth, twenty twenty, missing from Luling, Texas at the
age of twenty one years old. He stands at six
foot one one, weighs around one hundred and seventy pounds,
and date of last contact they do have it listed
as December thirteenth, pretty late in the day. December thirteenth
(03:12):
is a Sunday, and apparently he goes to drive home
from college. He's got about a three hour drive or
so home and somehow it seems like he takes maybe
a wrong turn or a missed turn and winds up
in an area that is off of his path. It's
(03:32):
kind of going north when he really should be going east.
So a lot of questions around that. Already circumstances of disappearance.
Jason's Nissan Ultima, which was a two thousand and three,
we're going to see a few photos of it as
we're going through this today, was found Sunday, December thirteenth,
just outside of Luling. It had been crashed and abandoned
(03:52):
on a road. Luling is about thirty minutes away from
San Marcos, where Texas State University is located, and saw
Flat Road is the name of the road that his
vehicle is found on. One of the other things that's
really kind of tough to understand about this case is
there's despite the fact this is a rural area, there
seems to be regular enough traffic that they've kind of
(04:15):
pinpointed the timeframe pretty strongly. They said that someone drove
by somewhere around eleven eleven thirty that night did not
see the accident. And then you have a volunteer firefighter
who's coming back from a call not related to this
incident that finds the car, and that happens somewhere around
twelve thirty am, So we've got a pretty tight window
(04:37):
of one hour, which in terms of having a missing
person and having Jason seemingly just disappear from the planet
is just mind boggling. How does it happen if he
would have stayed with the vehicle. I mean, at most
he would have waited an hour, and it seems like
probably a lot less than that. Brown hair, brown eyes doesses.
(05:00):
I don't know if he was wearing them during this drive.
I don't know if he wears contact lenses. Also for
scars or marks. They're saying on his ankle, possibly the
right ankle, there's a scar. They're also saying he had
a lymph node removed from his neck on the right side,
and then he does have some light acne scarring on
his face, clothing and accessories.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
They don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Luling, Texas, is a city in Caldwell and Guadalupe Counties
among the or along the San Marcos River. The population
as of the twenty ten census was five four hundred
and eleven people, and it looks like there's a lot
of space out there continuing at kxan dot com. Even
locals have been looking for Jason. It's thousands of acres
(05:46):
and today I'm searching as close to the roads as possible,
neighbor Stuart Carter said. Sergeant Dion Cockrell with Texas DPS
said they're concentrating on particular areas in their search. We're
still concentrating on areas like the creaks and the water,
Cockrel said, but as of right now, we haven't found him.
And here we are over a month later, we still
(06:08):
haven't found him. Jason Landry went missing December thirteenth of
twenty twenty. In twenty twenty four, I went out there
for the vigil and search. There's a video available of
that on my YouTube channel. I'll have a link to
(06:28):
it in the show notes. There's some cases that you
just get closer to than others, and Jason's case is
one of those that has gotten square into my heart.
And it's a big part of that is because of
his family. His parents are two amazing individuals, and it
(06:56):
hurts to know what they're dealing with, But in some way,
I'm proud to be a small part of their story,
a small part of their journey and maybe just a
sliver of comfort and hope for them. I've worked really
hard on this case pretty much from the start. Our
first episode, those clips that you were just listening to,
(07:18):
that was from a little over a month after he
went missing. A few weeks after that, we did a
special episode with Kent. We were one of the earlier
podcasts or YouTube shows that he would talk to, and
I pulled in my friend Ed Denzil from the Unfound podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
We did a.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Special deep dive episode and it was really important because
Kent had such key information. Kent basically turned into an
investigator the moment he heard his son was missing. He
went to the scene, he took photos, he was finding stuff.
It was just remember, this case was one of those
that someone in law enforcement might roll up on and say, oh,
(07:59):
some kids got in a drunk driving accident and they
just ran off and we're going to hear from them tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And that's not the reality of this case.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
We are now five years down the road, and speaking
of five years down the road, I'm recording this literally
the day after coming back from luling again, I went
back out for the fifth anniversary for the vigil for
the search efforts, and I was out there with another
friend from another show, Lance from crawl Space. On the
(08:28):
drive back to the airport, we decided to fire up
the recorders and just talk about the experience, talk about
what it was like, and we wanted to do that
to share it with you, the seriously mysterious audience as
well as the missing audience, I think is where Lance
will wind up running some of this. So I hope
(08:48):
this is insightful. I hope that you will keep the
Landryes in your heart this holiday season. I hope that
if you get the opportunity to come out and join
us for one of these searches, that you please do.
We need help and there's a lot of people that
very strongly believe he is out there waiting to be discovered,
(09:09):
and it's just going to take the right set of
eyes looking in the right direction at the exact right
time for that to happen, and maybe that could be you.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
All right, We are literally leaving Luling.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Texas, my second time being out here for the Jason
land research and Lance's first time. We figured we would
kick on some microphones, get some recording going and just
kind of talk about the experience, what it was like
takeaways and all that good stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Where are you at with it? Lance?
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I think I'm reflecting on the heaviness of it right
off the bat. Yeah, Like even flying in, you know,
and just seeing the different type of terrain. You're not
used to it when you're from you know where you
and I are from. It's familiar, but it's not at
the same time, you know, First time being out here
was really eye opening. Also, first time being at Jason's crash.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Site was sort of a revelation.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like you see it
in pictures, you hear about it, and it's different when
you're there, especially there, Like first thing you get is
just this heaviness, and that's a really heavy area, really
really heavy area, And I remember thinking like it wasn't
a lot of good energy there. All the people showed
up and that changed the energy, but without people in
the dark, like that is a really that's like heavy
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is the only word I could use. I can't imagine
being him in the dark. That's the way he was.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Roll it back a little bit and just kind of
talk us through your feelings as we were driving, because
we kind of basically we were with Jason Watts and
he took us on the path that Jason Landry kind
of drove. Yeah, so we kind of swung a little
deeper into town and it flipped around and then made
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the same entry. What were you noticing on the way
in and how are you feeling about it?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Okay, So getting back to like when you're looking at
a map or you're hearing somebody describe how he took
a wrong turn, and I'm air quoting, I mean, it's
it's more than a wrong turn, like when we went
down when we got off the main road and we
started down that road that he went down.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It's really quick before you.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Were like, I'm not going in the direction I should
be going unless you're intending to go down this road
which is like paved, and then it's like it's like
kind of gravel after that, but you learn you figure
out very quickly that you're not on a main road. Yeah,
and I was really surprising, And it gets sparse and
remote really fast. And by the time you're on a
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dirt road, you still have many opportunities to turn around.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, it's straight, you have many opportunities.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Didn't realize, like I screwed up somewhere, so I got
to get myself back on track. You can get yourself
back to the highway in a minute, right.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Like there's a bunch of those roads that cut across
and if you know, all I need to do is
make a left turn, and that's going to get me
over to another highway.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
There's a ton of opportunities.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
For that, even if you didn't know that. Yeah, you
haven't made any turns read right?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I when I first came out last year, I was
driving to the site on my own.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I didn't have Jason Watts.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Driving me, And as soon as I got out of
like the neighborhood area, I realized, Okay, this is the road.
And I just recognized it because of the episodes I
did and he's in the Google maps and stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'm like, Okay, this is obviously the place.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah, but I didn't realize how far out on that
road it was. And I was literally calling Jason within
a few miles being like, dude, I think I'm in
the wrong place or I missed the turn or something
thing and he's like, nope, nope, nope, just keep going.
And there's something about that that's weird. In itself because
of that aspect, like you're driving, you're in neighborhoods, the
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neighborhoods fin out and all of a sudden they're not
there anymore and you're just in like cattle and oil land,
and then the road cuts away. Like this time when
we were driving out, I was trying to key into
Lance's sensations and his instinct about what was happening. And
there was probably, like I would imagine, maybe four different
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conditional changes where it was like, okay, you would know
by now, no, no, no, okay, well you would definitely know
by now.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And for some reason, Jason Landry pushed past all that
to wind up where he did.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And it's still it just it blows my mind. This
trip I really struggled with. I had want to apply
logic and I want to understand his intent, and the
more you try to understand about that, the further lost
you get because it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, and you want.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
To try to make that make sense because you think
that that's going to have something to do with where
he is, right, But I feel like after going out
there and realizing all of the different opportunities that he
chose to not take to turn around or to you know,
take a left or something like that. Like it really
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kind of like getting in getting in his headspace. I
don't think matters as much now in my mind as
it did before. That's true, he was he was going
through some sort of psychological break. Yeah, ninety nine percent
sure that And I'm not saying me. I think everybody's
ninety nine percent sure that he's the one that took
off his clothes. I think that's evident by where the
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fish was placed, which I didn't really picture as accurately
in my head when I heard that he had.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
His fish and he left his fish there too.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
His fish and the backpack were placed on the side
of the road, like he placed them there so theydn't
be in the way of anything, Like he didn't want
his fish to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That was so instantly obvious to me.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
And then he went into the road and started taking
his clothes off, Yeah, and left his clothes just kind
of on the road.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
But that placement of the.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Fish showed me that he made a decision to keep
the fish safe.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And I think there's also a difference that you know,
we're not looking at a it wasn't just like some
type of questioning his morality or faith or religion or
something like that, Like it seems like he's struggling with
a mental health episode.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Yeah, I'm curious what you thought of the smell when
we first got there. The smell and the sound of
the oil rigs.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Oh man.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I mean, the the only way to describe it when
you're actually hearing it. And I ran it in the
video I did last year as like part of the
intro segment because it was the most grounding thing that
I noticed out there. Was just like this kind of
feels like the start of a horror movie. It is
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a bizarre sound that if you put yourself it's just
imagined that you're out there in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You can hardly see anything.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
It's just got this creepy vibe to it, and you
might know logically it's like, oh, those are pump jacks,
and yeah, it's just it's squeaking, but it almost sounds
like a cry or a wail or a screeching.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's yes, it sounds terrifying. Yeah, it's very rhythmic. Yeah,
And that's the other thing. It's it's rhythmic and it's droning.
There was.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I think I noticed with for you that it was
particularly disturbing when you first heard it and realized, oh
my god, like this is what it sounds like out here.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Interestingly, and when we first showed up, you could definitely
feel the weight of the location and the weight of
what was going on. But as the weekend went on
and we were out in that environment more and more,
there was I don't know, for me, it was almost
like you're coming out of night time and into dawn.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Or something like that. I heard that same sound, but
it started sounding musical, it started sounding comforting.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah yeah, And it was like the Yeah, we were
all out there. We had, you know, fourteen people out
there searching, and I think there's this psychological rebound that
you have to have when you're like, oh my god,
I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
For remains of a young man. Yep.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
And it started with like kind of jokes would kind
of pop up, and we're trying to have a good
time with each other and keep each other happy in
this and motivated. But it was it was like only
that sound changed as the weekend went on.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally agree, and that that heaviness,
that weight, and that that energy that I felt when
we first got there was.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I don't know, like.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Suppressed because of all of the positive energy and the
amazing contributions that all of the searchers and the people
who provided the food for us, and everybody who just
provided all the support, you know, from Jim just being
based up in his car, you know, making sure that
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you know, he's looking at them at the app watching
our tracks, like just being reassured about that and being
reassured that if you know, any one of us got hurt,
or if any one of us needed to go back
to the home base there there would be some water
and food there. There was water in the trucks, like
all of that stuff, all of that supportive stuff, and
the people just brought this incredible energy.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
To the search.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
I think, like, I don't know, in my head, I'm
thinking like that environment, that terrain, that type of nature
wanted to hurt us at every turn.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And I'll get into that.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
In a minute, but I feel like we battled back
with this like this you know, energy that transcended that.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, you know, we were there for a good cause.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
We were there with good people, and that goodness kind
of it didn't take away off the thorns and the
cactus and all of that, but it helped alleviate some
of that weight.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
There's so much compassion and care at all angles of
how the search team has made up the reason that
they're there attending the vigil speaking, which have you attended
a vigil before?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
What you think of that experience?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Oh? No, this is a solid Yeah, this is This
vigil is right up there with the best that I've attended,
and I hate to say best, but the most organized,
the most like impactful.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
With Lisa and Kent being there and speaking.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
And especially Lisa going through all of the things that
people did for them without saying who did it? I
thought that was really interesting, you know she she just
like went through it as bullet points, which I thought
was a super effective way to do it.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
What was also special for the people that were the
because you know that she's talking about.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You certain people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
She didn't want it to be like analyst of this
person in this port because their actions actually speaks more
to the overall tone of like she was trying to
make the point of there's so many people.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, that have done so much. Yeah, and actually.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
It's also a good way to not miss somebody, right right,
I'm just I'm gonna list all the all the things,
not the people.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Yeah, but they were able to get and I know,
I know it sounds small, but they were able to
get good power, could sound, good lighting to the lights
owner fell over right, which a little accidental lights out,
but everybody like stepped up and helped it. Like I
thought for sure that thing was done for the night.
I was like, he's going to come back for that
another time. There's no way this is happening. But you know, everybody,
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everybody chipped in and helped. But you know, all of
that just leads to a much better experience. They had food, refreshments,
everybody made sure that they were talking to everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Yeah, I'm not just talking about Kent, Lisa, but like
you and I were approached by many people just to
be like, hey, how's it going. You know, they no
one knows, no one knows anybody, right, So it was
just to build off of that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Good community that was going on there.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
So yeah, to answer your question, it was an amazing
vigil and then it felt meaningful, it felt impactful.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It did and it it reminded me that it's it's
like the one of the worst reasons in the world
that we have to be out there, But it's so
special that there's a bunch of people that are going
out there, that are being a part of that the
search team that goes out there several times a year,
and I don't know, it's just it's not only about
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how much we are caring about the Landryes. In that moment,
it really makes me think of like, Wow, this is
a bunch of really good people that really they must
love their families, they must have these deep connections because
they're out here helping people that used to be strangers.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I mean now I.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Feel like in some way like I'm I'm you know,
like a cousin of the family, like almost.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Terms of connectivity. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure they feel
the same way. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
But there was also a very sad realization that I
kind of hit with it that I mentioned to you,
which was it feels like a funeral or it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Feels like a way like a celebration of life, and
they have to do it over and over and over,
and I don't I don't think they mind it.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
There are very beautiful moments that happen in it, especially
with family members that come up and tell stories about
Jason as a young man or funny things that he
did or happened around him, but just realizing it's just
a reminder of that aspect we always talk about with
missing persons cases, that the families are stuck. Yeah, and
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they are literally stuck having his funeral every single year.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, and they you know, they.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Indicated that and it shows even more when viewing the
videos of Jason through the years, that was.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Tough to watch. It's even like tough to talk about.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Like you watch this, my god, you watch this kid
like super bright, super bubbly, great smile, you know, smart, musical,
obviously loved by his friends and family, and that's it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Like it's suspended a time. That's it, right, you know.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
The last thing you see is like there's no more,
Like I couldn't even imagine that as a parent, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Yeah, they mentioned that he has nieces and that he's
never met that never yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Yeah, or that they've they have they've never met him.
They need to be told about, you know, who their
uncle is or was.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
He also liked to wear colorful socks and something that
the l Hendri's left for the search team was always
packs of different socks, and because he was so into
music and played so many different instruments, the socks have
different musical instruments all over.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And Swedish fish, oh, and Swedish fish. That's right, that's right.
When you notice about the terrain out there.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Okay, love Jason Watts, love all of the things that
he's done. But Jason Watts said, to steer clear of
the devil's cactus. Right, it might be called the devil's
fern or something like that too. He said that there's
regular cacti, and of course there's rattlesnakes and wild boar
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and a number of different things that aren't naturally occurring
out there. With the way he said it, which was
like steer clear of the devil's cactus, made me think
like you'd see one every so often, like poison iving, right,
and you'd be like, there it is, I'm going.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
To walk around.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
It's not that the case. No, it is what grows
out there. It's everywhere you do not steer clear of it.
It's there. You just deal with it. It's the most
rugged terrain I have ever been in. Nothing in that
area wants you to come out of there feeling better.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No, this wants to hurt you.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
This year was definitely different than last year, and I
thought it was already tough enough last year. But last
year it was kind of more like pastures that we
were working on. You would have these large sections where
you could actually walk, and then there'd be a tree
in your way or a cactus bush of some some type,
something like that, a little like when you'd hit the
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rough spots.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
They were rough spots. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
The search this year was on a different property, which
I was excited about because the location of it is
kind of between saw Flat Road and then the next
highway over, and I just keep imagining, you know, in
the dark, with psychosis or not, that the only other
thing you can hear besides the pump jacks is the
hum of the traffic on that highway.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
So I was excited about searching in that area, But
now I'm not so excited about it because, as I
explained to my wife this morning, you could not walk
ten feet in any direction without being pricked by all thorn.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I mean I wish it was ten feet. Yeah, Honestly,
in most places it's not even ten. Yeah, yeah, it was.
It was insane.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, some thorns on some of those trees out there.
Of the thorns can be over an inch long inch
and a half yep, and it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
It's brutal.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Yeah, everything out there has a thorn on it. Yeah,
everything out there has a thorn. If it's a beautiful flower,
it's probably more deadly to you.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I do love the fact that the search itself was
so well organized. We didn't even like actually start moving
until the leaders of the search, Jason, Jennifer and Cindy,
got everybody in a position and they wouldn't let us
walk until everybody was like properly distanced from each other,
and then it was like, okay, now it's time to walk.
And you learn really quick what you're going to be
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walking through and what you're going to be walking around.
And I remember getting the first bit of Devil's cactus
on me and things early on. It was early on,
and I was like, I was like, oh, no, I
got this on me. This is going to suck for
the rest of the day, this one spot. And then
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you realize very quickly, no, this is actually just going
to keep happening over and over, so you just have
to get.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Used to it.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
The terrain was pretty intense, so many odd things out there.
We didn't see any bores, we didn't see any snakes.
I was surprised them that were alive, at least that
were alive that showed themselves to us. It's like incredible
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mental exhaustion and and it's like training that you put
your brain through, yeah, to keep your head down and
keep your head up, and keep your head this way
and that way looking for things.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
And after you find.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Your first bone, which is probably an animal bone.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Your brain starts.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
To learn what it's looking for.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
And that's even that's even something that I found I
had to kind of like get retrained on, even though
I was out there doing the.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Search last for that. I can see that yeah, yeah,
because you're you're just not used to it to.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
The difference that you need to identify because there's so
many rocks out there that are white, yeah, and round,
and the shapes that you're looking for and the color
that you're well, it's the color you think you're looking
for until you.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Actually see a bone and you're like, oh, it's that white. Yeah. Different.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, it's got like a different texture it's it's not
as shiny.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, I don't know. I guess I would explain it
as almost an eggshell totally. Yeah, yep. But then the
not only was the terrain.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Dangerous and out to get you and wanting to make
sure that you understood its power. I honestly, I'm like,
I'm considering the terrain in my head as like a
living entity.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Oh like it does not. It did not want us
in there.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
It did its best to like make sure that we
knew whose boss at every turn. Yeah, and you can't
like forcibly push through it.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's going to make it worse.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Well, and the thing is, as the day goes on,
you start kind of losing your mental dexterity.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
There was a couple of times where I'm like, I'm
just walking through this and then I'm just I come
out with scrapes.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Yeah, like yeah, after lunch, I got way too cocky.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, I got you know.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
I was like I go into the into the terrain
and just feeling way too good.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
About you know, being used to it, and it'll remind you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I explained it to Jason late yesterday, as it's like
this environment keeps saying no, like every which direction you
want to go, or oh you want to take a
step over here?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
No, no, yo, you want to do this? No, you
got to earn that.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah, just over and over and over. Now here's a
crazy thing about it. As hostile as it sounds, we
kept finding these moments of almost like bizarre beauty in it.
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Definitely there was a spider web that I saw that
looked like this spider was trying to be an artist
and it wanted to make an eyeball out of a spider.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, it was just these these moments when you're out
there and you're having to deal with all these elements
and all of a sudden you look at some like
a dead tree, but the way that it's all twisted
and it just looks beautiful. Or you know, there's a
lot of industrial things that are out there. There's this
one site where it looked like it must have been
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some type of structure that it burned and there was
this metal that had all twisted, but it almost looked
like a sculpture in its current form.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, yeah, like a modern art sculpt sculpture. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
And I don't know if that's also just part of
kind of the reflex that you're having emotionally processing what
you're out there doing and the type of environment you're in.
But there were just these little bright spots of like,
oh wow, that's kind of cool, look at that. And
I was taking pictures left and right for those moments.
So what did you have any interesting finds or moments
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in terms of things you came across.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
I mean we came across bones, like we all came
across certain like different types of bones.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, what would tell just take them through?
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Like what's the normal course on something like that, like
you call bone?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, I feel like not raising a huge antenna was important.
So you see something that looks like a bone, at
least for myself, I would go closer to it.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I would look at it with the stick and.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Turn it over, and then if it still looked like
a bone, I would pick it up. If it was,
like the only thing I really know about bones if
they're not like perfectly identifiable as a bone, is if
they're like kind of porous.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Right, So I look at that, and then my.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
First my first thing that I would do is I
don't even think I would say bone. I think I
would just if Jennifer Jason moved next to me or Cindy.
I would just say their name and kind of hold
it up because I felt like I didn't want to
be a person who kept thinking that something amazing was
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just found right right, and then they would come over
and tell me what it was. What I really liked
about it was that they would always be very complimentary.
They'd say like, good, I like a good good job.
That's what we're doing, that's what we're looking for, looking
for anything like this. So it made you feel like
you were doing the right thing, which made you want.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
To look harder. Yeah. Yeah, Well what would do would
you do? Uh? Yeah, I would, I would.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I would call bone And we had a couple that
The normal course that I've seen is.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
You call it out.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Someone comes over and there's things that they can identify
very quickly that are like, Okay, yeah, this is boor oh,
this one's col this one's dear. There's only one that
we had in both days, well both weekends that I've
now been out where they couldn't immediately say this is
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not human.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
So most of the vast majority of the time, it's
them coming and very quickly like hey, good job.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
But Yeah, that one's poor, that one's cal.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
And there's even when you have that happen sometimes it
feels good because you'll realize that you're now in a
field of remains and all of a sudden you're finding
other bones very quickly. And for me personally, that just
kind of gives me hope about like, well, if we
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come across remains that are belonging to a person, there's
a very good chance that we're going to find it
like this, like a like a scattering of there's more here,
and hopefully there'll be enough to do an identification or
something along those lines.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I know that's not always the case obviously, but it's
motivational for you at the moment exactly because at least
for the animal remains that we were bumping into, that
was kind of the norm as well. It wasn't like
you would just find the jawbone of a hog somewhere
and that was it. You would find the jaw and
see part of the top of its head, maybe a
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couple of legs, vertebrae, it was all, you know. Usually
it was a find of multiple bones in a spot
like that. Yeah, but I think the weirdest thing from
this particular weekend is a find that happened on one
of the properties where there was there was a piece
of metal that kind of caught my attention and I
(35:20):
wanted to go and kind of look. But it was
in this very thick, of course prickly brush, and I
could see that there was some type of fabric next
to it. And you know, these are oil fields, so
there's people that are working them and finding rags out
there is pretty common, yeah, gloves, yeah, yeah, you're seeing
pieces of fabric all over the place. But as I
(35:41):
was looking at this fabric and I wasn't sure if
it was one piece or several pieces, some of it
was very clearly identifiable as rug. Like you could see
the coils on top for the upward fasic part of
the rug, and then you could see the underside.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Where the grippy part, yeah, the grippy part of the rug.
So we called the crew over and I think it
took Cindy to actually get in there. I know Jess
kind of poked in and pulled some out, but Cindy
was a little smaller. We called Cindy over because there
was duct take.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah, well that was that was the I mean The
thing was the rug was already weird because it was
out of place, Like, we're in the middle of this property.
This isn't the type of cloth we would usually see.
There's like, what the heck is this big rug going here?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Hinned under a rusted out old gas tank?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, yeah, from a car exactly, a car's gas tank
was right next to it.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
And realizing that it wasn't several pieces of cloth, it
was all just this one ruck which was deteriorating. It
had it looked like at one point it was white
or cream colored, and there was dark marks obviously all
over it, which I don't know if it could just
be mud because.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
It rings out there and everything's so you know, dirty
as it is.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
But then yeah, Jason, you know, starts pulling on it
and he's like, is that duct tape, which if it
was a certain amount of duct tape, I wouldn't necessarily
think is strange, But the fact that it was inside
the rug and it was maybe a nine to ten
inch length, yeah, it just it looked like it was
(37:20):
a binding of some kind. There was it was double layered.
In one section it looked like it had ripped, but
the other end you could see it kind of got
folded over at some point.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
It just it was very, very bizarre.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
And you know, at some locations out there you can
see that people are dumping stuff by the roadside.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
This wasn't close enough to any else. It wasn't even
it was like tucked into this tree. Yeah, it was
tucked into this tree.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
When I say tucked into this tree, I need people
to understand, like, wasn't like under the base of a
tree with this lovely canopy right, the tree had confused
itself into the ground.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
We had to like like push our way through these
thorny fines to see it.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And Cindy came over and she didn't seem like she.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Was super like her her like her her antenna wasn't
up like as high as it was until she saw
the duct tape. Yeah, And we kept saying like it
wasn't weird until we like, it wasn't super weird until
we saw the duct tape. Yeah, Like if we didn't
see duct tape, I don't know how much of a
deal we would have made.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
It been, Oh, there's a there's someone rugs and brought
a rug maybe had something to do with the gas tank,
like it was wrapped around it or sure.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, yeah, but once she actually saw the duct tape, yeah,
she did say that this is weird, like that's you know,
you start putting it together, like why is there this
one random piece of duct tape that is in within
the folds of this rolled up, folded.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Up like carpet. Right.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Also, the gas tank was was odd, but there was
like this locker or something right there as well, this
rusted out locker. It was rusted to the same degree
as the gas tank. So I'm assuming yeah, it was
deposited at the same time, and Sydney was sticking her
stick in there, and you know, she's like, well, it's empty,
but it's kind of full of like debris and leaves
(39:18):
and just stuff from nature. And I was sticking my
stick in there too and trying to pull stuff out,
but you just couldn't get to it. Yeah, So it's
been marked on the on the maps. I hope they
go back to check out that area. I'm not saying
that there's a body in this No, in this locker.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Like, we we opened it up as much as we could,
we went through it. We didn't see any anything that
seemed like remains.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah, No, bones came out or anything like that. But yeah, honestly,
like there was still a lot of stuff in that
locker that or I don't even I'm calling it a locker. Yeah,
but there was still a lot of natural debris in there.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Well so yeah, effectively, they there's an app that we're
using when we're searching called cal Tobo, and it's basically
literally following every searcher and tracking their path. And what
they would do with that is they kind of set
like a way point on there that's saying there was
an item of interest found here. On top of that,
(40:16):
I kind of suggested to Jason, like, hey, is this
something we could just run by the landowner and just say, hey,
did you know, is there any reason why, you know,
a rug would be left in this particular location. So
there might be a little kind of follow up that
happens on that, but not quite the same as if
we would have found some you.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Know, remains that could potentially be human or something with it,
and then a bone that you found today this morning.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Yeah, Yeah, which I don't know if we can talk about,
I mean, all we could. I think it's fair just
to say that it could not be ruled out as
animal like that's that's as far as we'd really take
the same thing. It's been noted, location has been noted,
and you know, if there's additional follow up that that
happens on that, I'm sure they will tell us at
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some point.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
But so yeah, I don't know. Yeah, quite a weekend.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Definitely, yesterday alone felt like a week long. Like it's
it's a it's a bit of a grind. You go
through this period where your brain has to get acclimated
to what you're doing. You have to stay hydrated, you
have to keep putting on sunscreen, like, you have to
be very cautious about taking care of yourself while you're
(41:28):
doing it.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And literally after the first shift, which is you.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Know, usually about four hours and you go back for lunch,
like you already pretty much feel exhausted.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Yeah, and then physically, yes, but it's really the mental
exhaustion of Yeah, you know, after you leave, your eyes
are still looking like my eyes are still looking at
the ground right now, right, looking for anything that's like
eggshell white.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah. The fact that.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
We were in such good company I think was one
of my biggest takeaways.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yeah, I think that's what brings me back is.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, Well there's two aspects. There's well maybe three.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
One is I want the Landrys to know and feel
that they're being cared about.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Two is I mean, I gotta say Jason Watts in
particular and his motivation for helping this family has been
a big.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Draw for me, and especially you know with the work
that he did on the brand and loss in Case
and everything. Like, Jason and I frequently refer to each
other as brother and I really feel that, Yeah, we
are very connected. So anything to help Jason I kind
of want to be a part of. But through that
(42:45):
I got introduced to this great group of people.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
And I don't know, that's what keeps motivating me to
do it.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
You know, I can't say it's fun crawling through brush
and like being pricked over and over. Yeah, but there
is an element of it that almost feels childlike in
terms of or I guess if you're a person likes
hiking or something like that, you know, just being out
in nature, being in this element that might be just
(43:13):
a hint dangerous. It feels a little bit I don't know,
it just reminds me of being a kid.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
Yeah, and that's okay, Yeah, we were talking about that
last night. It's okay to say this brings you back
to something that was really basic and enjoyable to the highest.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Degree, right right, So yeah, I think and the fact
that we're doing it and it's.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Progressing the story of this family and Jason, Yeah, it
feels really good.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Absolutely, And you still do get a sense of accomplishment,
even though we can't say we made the big find
or the big discovery. Just knowing that you are marking
off sections of that me app and knowing that you
know there's going to be a report that goes back
to the family of Hey, here's where we looked, here's
the things that happened, and there was a bunch of
(44:11):
more people that came out, you know, caring about you
guys and try and find help you find your son.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Yep, and it's just one step closer to actually finding remains.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
I hope you enjoyed getting some insights into what it's
been like looking for Jason Landry over the past two
years and in particular this past weekend. And a very
special thank you to my friend Lance Ree and steering
A from Cross Space and Missing podcast. I really appreciate
having you at my side there Lance helping. Of course,
(44:42):
a big thank you to the search team, the Landry family,
everyone that is rallying around them and supporting them. And
I wouldn't have been able to make this trip if
it wasn't for several caring people part of my secret
studio family over at Lord and Art's studio too. From
the bottom of my heart, thank you guys so much.
(45:02):
That's going to be the last episode for twenty twenty five.
We'll be back with a brand new episode on Tuesday,
January sixth. Let's continue looking into the seriously mysterious together
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