Can You Have Breast Orgasms? How and Why It's Possible....

Is it possible for women to have orgasms from breast and/or nipple stimulation?

The short answer is yes! And here's why...

Studies have determined that there is, in fact, a neural link between the nipple and the clitoris. Stimulation of the nipples activates the same sensory area of the brain associated with the genitals.

Stimulation of the nipples activates:
Your Brain -Stimulating the nipples activates both the chest area and the genital sensory cortex in the brain.

Your Hormones - Nipple stimulation also triggers the release of oxytocin, a hormone that can cause uterine contractions, which may contribute to sensations in the genital area.

Your Pleasure - Research involving women who have undergone a hysterectomy (removal of the uterus) suggests a direct neural link, as the genital sensory cortex is still activated during nipple stimulation, even without the uterus being involved.

This neural connection provides a neurological basis for why nipple stimulation can enhance sexual arousal, lubrication, and orgasm for many women.

Listen to the full episode for our step-by-step guide to activating breast orgasms using Pleasure as Medicine.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hello, and welcome back to Sex is Medicine. I am
your host, Davey ward Ericson.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
And I'm Alena Salks, and we.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Are delighted and excited to have you here with us
once again. Thank you so much for tuning in every week.
So appreciate you allowing us all up in your ear hole.
Ha ha ha. We do veryate it. And yeah, I
just we're here because of you. We're here because you

(01:13):
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(01:34):
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(01:58):
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for your comments. And you can really support us by
liking and subscribing on your favorite listening platform. Yay. All right,
So here we are the Dynamic Duo. I still love
doing this podcast with YouTube Elena. It's just me forgive
Me Life, And today we're going to talk about breast orgasms.

(02:24):
Breast orgasms one oh one? Are they possible? Do they
happen and if so, wow. But before we dive into that,
we're going to do our hot take. So let me
go ahead and get our screen ready. If you are
listening to us on Spotify or iTunes, know that we
do have a YouTube channel. We are Shadow Band, so

(02:46):
we're a little bit hard to find. We are at
Holistic Sexology Institute on YouTube and you can see our
beautiful visages and our beautiful sets here and our cute
little earrings and Elena's beautiful wavy hair, and we we're
visually delightful. I must say, we're visually delightful. So so

(03:10):
if you are listening, go ahead and check us out
on YouTube so you can see us. And this is
where we're going to screen share our wonderful hot take
for you so that you can read along oun momentito,
let me get this set up for us, all right,
Can you see that, Elena, I can see it, okay.
So our hot take today is people are turning to

(03:30):
hands free masturbation that has many benefits, all right, So
this is one of the other you know, we talked
about the over fifteen different types of orgasms for Yoni
owners or people with volvas and women with volvas, all
of us with volvas, all of the human beings running
around with volvas. That's what this article is talking about. Unfortunately,

(03:51):
there's another hands free masturbation article for men that we
found right now are lingam owners, but in this article
they're talking as sex therapists has said there's some health
benefits to masturbating without using her hands, and it's not
so that you can also be scrolling through your phone.
And what they're talking about is something called sintebration, and

(04:12):
I was like, what the heck is cintebration? So a
cintebration involves a woman crossing her legs and squeezing her
thighs to stimulate the cltores and volva. Okay, so uh so,
so it's saying it's not possibly non advised method if
you're in possession of meat and to veg I'm guessing

(04:36):
they're talking about and I'm guessing they're talking about our
lovely vadra and jewels.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Okay, but apparently I think that's from Europe or something
the UK.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
The language is a little bit different than North American speech,
but they're saying that cintebration is a safe way to
explore your sexuality. Build familiarity and comfort with your sexual
self and gain sexual confidence. So you know, please also
keep in mind the people around you are not consent
being around you, So guessing like, don't do it on

(05:12):
the train or at dinner unless you're at that kind
of dinner party. You are welcome to masturbate at my
dinner table. I'm just saying, if you ever come to
my house and have dinner, you can cinturbate all you want.
That's totally fine with me. But but they're saying that
that crossing your legs and squeezing your your thighs to

(05:34):
stimulate your involve inclatorus is a lovely, wonderful thing to do.
And I have to say, I agree. Let's let's take
pleasure wherever we can get it. It's what I'm saying,
Let's grasp those those little bits of pleasure wherever we can.
But what do you think about this, Elena, I'm gonna
stop screensharing here. I mean, it sounds good.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
It seems like a very uh, labor intensive way of
experiencing pleasure for sure. I Also the first thing that
came to my mind is I feel like many of
us have discovered pleasure in this way. Like I've heard
lots of stories of women as young women, you know,
crossing their legs and doing this, you know, maybe in

(06:17):
school or they it's just one of the first ways
that they kind of were like, oh wow, that feels good.
So it's it's a perfectly fine way to worgasm. The
only I think in that article it also talks about
it might be a good gateway for people who maybe
don't masturbate and aren't as comfortable touching themselves, and that certainly,

(06:41):
that certainly could be true, But I think there's also
maybe other ways to slowly acclimate to getting there about you.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, and so I mean I again, like I feel
like wherever we experience pleasure is a wonderful thing. I'm
a big fan of saying yes to pleasure. You know
how arises The thing that stands out for me, is
I really caution or I will say, I invite folks
to be mindful of where they have aversion to self touch.

(07:14):
Because I've said this repeatedly, I'll say it again. Human
beings are not born with sexual shame. Sexual shame is
learned behavior. So if you notice that you feel shame
or aversion or disgust or discomfort or anything less than like, yay,
I'm happy to touch my genitals. Right, if you feel

(07:37):
any aversion or block, shall we say, to touching your
own genitals, I'm going to invite you to consider that
somebody shamed you for that when you were a child,
because every single freaking human child on this planet who
has the ability to touch their genitals will touch their
genitals absolutely one fun so much because it is so

(08:00):
all and it feels nice. It's sensual right as human
beings like sensual touch. It doesn't have to be erotic,
it doesn't have to be you know, goal oriented, like
I'm gonna you know, your three year old is not
trying to have an orgasm when they're when they're playing
with their genitals. Your three year old is just probably
self soothing because it feels really good to touch your
own body and like, there's no shame in that, right.

(08:22):
But then an adult or adult comes into the room babysitter, anti, uncle, teacher, whatever,
and finds you as a child having this lovely time
with your genitals, and they instruct you in either a
way to do that appropriately, like in your own bedroom,
or they shame you for I had my ass be
like I had my ass what when my great auntie

(08:46):
found me playing with myself. I just remember this, like
within the last few years about this trauma. I really
like as I was like three, right, and she whooped
my ass right. So that is a common experience for
many people. And I didn't remember that for my whole life,
my whole life, you know, it surfaced as a memory,
just like I said, in the last few years. But

(09:07):
I've worked with many, many, many clients throughout my seventeen
year career, specifically in tundra, and there have been many, many,
many women particularly that have profound aversion and shame around
touching their genitals. And it's usually because I haven't found
a case. I literally have not found an instance when

(09:28):
this is not in the case that they were shamed
as children about it. And you may not remember it
because it happens when you're so young, right, the body remembers.
The consciousness may not remember, but the body remembers that
and it will show up in the way we feel
about something. So again, coming back to hands free masturbation,

(09:49):
I say, get your pleasure however you can, girl, You
make that pleasure wherever you can take it. And I
also invite you, if you have a version to touching
your own genitals, be curious about why, and be curious
about who told you that wasn't okay? And do you
want to give them that power? Do you want to

(10:12):
give them that power over your pleasure? Or would you
like to go through the process of reclaiming your right
to your own body, to your own beautiful body, and
to touch it however and whenever you want. Yeah, yeah, Well,

(10:32):
poor little baby Davy, I'm so sorry. Like, look, I
got my ass beat a lot. So that's why I
was saying. I made a post on my Instagram page.
I was like, for me, my success has come in
my healing right because I have I have complex post
traumatic stress disorder because of my you know, out of

(10:54):
the aces score, I think I got like eight, right
because if you add some or got probably more. But
but yeah, so a lot of my a lot of
my career has gone towards my own healing, has gone
towards a lot of the energy that I've generated from
my practice hasn't necessarily been displayed externally. It's really gone

(11:15):
to healing those ruptures and those wounds and those core
core development wounds that I received as a child. And
you know, again, I'm not like there's other people that
have survived way worse agony than I have. I just
like to talk a lot about the shift that I've
had to overcome because it's important to me. Yeah, yeah,

(11:36):
grow through, evolved through. So here we are here we
are speaking of evolving and growing. We're talking about breast
orgasms whoom, talking about grabbing your pleasure, talking about hands
free orgasms because that can happen too with breast orgasms.
Hands free orgasms somebody else is saying, not my own.

(11:56):
So the first thing we wanted to talk about is
are they possible? And before we go into that, I
know I'm running my big mouth, and I know you'll
probably want to hear from Lena a little bit more.
But one thing that I wanted to say that came
up to me, came up for me as I was
getting ready for this episode is through the years, we

(12:17):
have so many folks asking us about orgasm and pleasure.
Is this possible?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Right?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
So that breast orgasms is one that you know, we
get questions through their website like, oh, is it possible
to have breast orgasms? You know? And Usually it's proceeded
with like, oh, I had this experience? Is it and
it felt really nice? Is it possible that I, you know,
for me to have breast orgasms or is it possible
for me to have you know, blended orgasms, or is

(12:44):
it possible for me to have whatever type of orgasm?
And what I want to say to you as a
listener is you do not need me or Elena to
validate your lived experience. You do not need any scientists
or any person on this planet to validate your lived experience.
If you had an experience of orgasm, orgasm, expansion, or

(13:07):
pleasure in your sexuality, and you ask is it possible? Yes,
because you did it, because it happened for you. So
if you think you had a certain type of orgasm,
you don't need somebody in a lab to validate your
org You validate it if you experienced it. It's valid

(13:28):
for you. Right, Any kind of pleasure that you experiences
is a valid form of pleasure because you experienced it.
You don't need anybody outside of you to validate your
own experience. Now, we're happy to give you affirmation. We're
happy to support you in that uplift your you know,
you know whatever, agree to your experience, but I just

(13:48):
I just want to like, because we get that so much.
In a kind of I realize it feel a little
like I feel a little shadow in my heart about
that because I want you. I want you to validate
your own sexual experience because you have it. It is
yours that lives inside of you, and if you experience it,
you say yes to it and you claim it. You
claim it. Yes, I had this type of orgasm. I

(14:10):
did that. I did that. So if you if you
have a throatgasm, if you've an eyeball orgasm, I had.
A student's like, oh I think I had an eargasm.
Is that possible? Yes, bitch, is possible. Whatever, Yes, it's possible.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Absolutely, you validate yourself. You said everything that I was
gonna say.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Really, David, Okay, so we're gonna dive into the science
of breast orgasms and how and why they're possible. Actually,
I'm gonna first talk about why they're possible, and then
we're gonna talk about how you can cultivate these things.
So I gotta put my spectacles back on so I
can read. Okay, So I'm reading. I'm just I'm reading

(14:53):
here the science and we'll put the link to the
source in the blog, which you can find the blog
at Holistic Sexginstitute dot com. So our breast orgasms possible.
And this science says, yeah, has there is a neural
link between the nipples and the clatorus. As nipples stimulate,
stimulation activates the same sensory areas of the brain that

(15:16):
is associated with the genitals, So the genital cortex, I think,
is what they call it. So when we stimulate the nipples,
that area of the brain lights up. And so they
go on to say, research using MRI shows that when
a woman's nipples are stimulated, it causes the genital sensory
cortex to light up, indicating a direct neurological connection. This
connection is part of what makes nipple stimulation and erogenous

(15:40):
and arousing experience for many women. So what I would
like to know is does the same thing happen for men?
Because men have nipples two and they're not as you know,
developed as female nipples because they're not being used to
feed human life. But there's a lot of men, a
lot of people with penises that find nipple stimulation extremely pleasurable, right,

(16:00):
And so I wonder if that's if that, if that's
just a human thing, that nipple stimulation lights up the
human genital cortex.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I would think, So, I know many men who have
nipple orgasms, we actually experience them.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, then I guess, going to my advice before, then yes,
that's valid. So yes, I wonder if it lights up
the same area of the brain. But given that I
would I would presume yes, so brain activation. Stimulation of
the nipples activates both the chest area and the genital
sensory cortex and the brain. So there is a neurological
relationship between your nipples, between our nipples is human nipples

(16:38):
and our genitals. And then there's also hormonal things, hormonal
considerations to take in place because of child bearing and
breastfeeding and so what Elena, what what was what is
the coinciding the hormonal responses with child and breastfeeding and stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, so there's this. One of the first things that
I thought of them when we started talking about this
is that there's this understanding among mothers that when you're breastfeeding,
it actually impacts your uterus. So when you're breastfeeding, it
helps you shrink, and so there is this like direct
breastfeeding genital connection. And what we found is that nipple

(17:17):
stimulation causes the release of oxytocin, a hormone that can
trigger uterine contraction, which can in turn contribute to sensations
in the genital area. Evidence from studies studies involving women
who have had a hysterectomy removal of the uterus suggest
a direct neural link, as the genital sensory cortex is
still activated during nipple stimulation even without the uterus being involved.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Wow, that's really interesting. That's really interesting, even if you've
had a hysterectomy that there's still that like, stimulating the
nipples still activates that area of the brain. And this
is I'm guessing there's still a release of oxytocin.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
I would think so, yeah, yeah, I think that would
happen no matter what. And this is a side note.
There are many instances of women having orgasms during breastfeeding
on a number of sites where moms are kind of
freaked out like that an orgasm law was breastfeeding because
it's obviously not an erotic situation. But that's that's a

(18:18):
common thing that can occur for people who are nursing well.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
And thank you so much for sharing that, because that really,
to me drives home the point where we talk about
human human beings are wired for pleasure, Like that's a
nice thought, but like we're not. I'm not saying that
because it's a nice thought. We're like, for real, we
are literally neurologically wired for pleasure. So because otherwise, you know,

(18:42):
if there wasn't pleasure involved, and there's emotional pleasure involved
in breastfeeding, there's the physical for some people, the physical
sensation of pleasure, but we are literally wired for pleasure
because pleasure is what brings us life. Quite frankly, the
pleasure is like, why the fuck be alive if there's
no pleasure, right, what's the point of life with no pleasure? Truly?

(19:04):
So we are literally, as human beings, we are literally
wired for pleasure. And the thing that I find really
also interesting about the nipple stimulation and the nursing is
you know, like you said, it produces oxytocin. Well, oxytocin
is the bonding hormone, that is the hormone that literally
leads to us feeling close and connected with other human beings,

(19:27):
and we release oxytocin and breastfeeding when the nipples are
stimulated and also at orgasm, and the more oxytocin we produce,
the more connected we feeding. And I believe, correct me,
I correct if I'm wrong, if any listeners, if I'm wrong,
if I'm remembering this inxrectly. But I remember reading a
long time ago about the brains of sociopaths. So I'm

(19:51):
just onside, I'm fucking fascinated with serial killers and sociopaths.
Like I'm like, I devour that. Look, that's what what
does Davey given our pastime? I read books and watch
movies and documentaries on serial killings because it's just fascinating, right, psychopaths,
Because for me, I'm like, it's I'm learning how to
defend myself. It's research and study. But I remember reading

(20:14):
about how the brains of social paths and psychopaths they
don't produce oxytocin, right, or they produce oxytocin they don't
they don't have, or they produce like different degrees of oxytocin,
or they produce it differently. So a lot of us
produce oxytocin, like when we're feeling emotional pleasure and we're
feeling connection, and we produce oxytocin, and we have orgasms,

(20:37):
and we produce oxytocin. Oxytocin is the social bonding hormone.
And so psychopaths and you know, people who are labeled psychopaths,
zero killers or whatever, their brains don't produce oxytocin either
at all or in the same way. So correct me
if I'm wrong, But I vaguely that's one of the
things that stuck in my brain pocket in terms of
like there is a difference in the brain structure of

(20:57):
a quote unquote psychopath versus and half a human. There's
a difference in the forebrain. Interesting to know.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
So makes sense.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Lots of orgasms, y'all, let's get those oxytocin levels up.
So yeah, so that's really like I love that. So
when we're breastfeeding, when we're breastfeeding a baby, there's the
pleasure of the of the nipple because you know when
it hurts. I know, we don't want to do that.
I've heard many women like my nipples hurt. I don't
want to hear hearts. Right, there's pleasure in it, right,

(21:29):
it feels good, so you want to do it. But
then there's also this oxytocin that's being produced for both
the mother and the child. That's why breastfeeding is so
freaking important. Right. And it's interesting that our culture, North
American culture, in order to make money, right, And it
wasn't in the fifties or sixties or seventies something like
that around that time, like like boom or age. Right.

(21:51):
So my parent, my mom was one of them. She
had to fight with her doctor to breastfeed me. Right.
So they wanted to the again, the capitalist patriarchy, you
whatever word you want to call it, wanted to make money.
So they started marketing formula to women and telling them
that breastfeeding was not so good and formula is better.

(22:13):
And again, this is all of this to make money.
So think of how many structures in our society, how
many rules around us in our society were established in
that boomer generation purely to make money, purely, not because
it was actually better for babies. But they gas lit
and lied to women telling them that formula was better
for their babies so that they could make money on

(22:34):
the formula. Meanwhile, breastfeeding increases bonding, it has all those
good isn't it. Like within the first few months of life,
you get these immune antibodies from the breast.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
The colostrum that you first produce when you start breastfeeding.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Is like is like gold. It's like so so good
for the baby.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, and it's replaceable there gut and yeah, it does
all kinds of incredible things. And the breast milk actually
changes based on the baby's needs. There's actually like a
saliva breast interaction that happens, so uh so, yeah, it bonds,
it keeps the baby healthy, forms its immune system. And

(23:19):
just to backtrack for a second to them making money
off of convincing people not to breastfeed, they also made
it into a class issue as well, which I imagine
is also a race issue, right because those things typically
go together. So a lot of people believed that only
poor people breastfed, so it was the status symbol.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
And then they shamed you. You were socially shamed for
doing for operating the way God made you, the way
he designed you, which is the best way. Man. This
like North American culture is so full of fucking gas larning.
I'm just saying, y'all, like examine shit, like deconstruct, deconstruct
with what we've been conditioned to believe because a lot

(24:02):
of it is just bullshit to sell you more things, right,
So okay.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Ethanically it's like a reversed a lot like it's people
are breastfeeding a lot more now. But yeah, that was
it was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Wow, wow wow. And like the arrogance of thinking that
something that that some dude makes in the lab can
ever be superior to what God granted us. Yeah, Spirit
granted us, Nature made us perfect and whole. And then like,
oh no, but this formula is better than anything. That's arrogant, y'all,

(24:36):
that's arrogance, all right, none of that. Let's talk about pleasure.
So breast orgasms, So they are possible. So if you've
been experiencing them, you now have the validation from you
know whatever, the people in labs saying that it's there possible,
so you you know, you can trust your own lived
experience now, I guess is what that boils down to.

(24:57):
And and so let's talk about how how we can
have these like we you know, if we aren't experiencing
breast orgasms, like, how can we? How can we have these?
So I wanted to share a little bit about my
personal story of reclaiming my breast orgasm, and Elene is
going to share her personal story of reclamation of breast
orgasm because because even though we may be wired for

(25:19):
these things, for these types of pleasure, our bodies may
be primed for these types of pleasure. If we're not
experiencing that type of pleasure, it could be a because
we never explored it, or b because we may have.
As we say, a block to bliss. A block to
bliss is a term that we coined in our school.
Actually it came from my previous mentor. I've been using
the term block to bliss since two thousand and eight

(25:41):
because my mentor used that term. It was generated by him.
And it's interesting because now I see that that terminology
has been being used in the field of neo tantra
with no credit to where it originated from, as like, oh,
that's just part of you know, that's just part of
the language of neotantra. No, bitch, it wasn't. That was
a term that we created and has been appropriated, one

(26:03):
of the many created created. My mentor created it, you know, okay,
and then like, but I started using it professionally, Like
we used it professionally together, and then I had permission
to co opt it from him. So just wanting to
point out again that you know, those of us who've
been in the field for a lot of time, a
long time, particularly those of us people of color, a
lot of us should have been co opted without this

(26:25):
being credited, credited, and now it's just part of the
common discourse and like, oh, well that's just what people
call it. Well people call it that because we were
using that right and so anyway, I just want to
put that out there because that comes up. So if
you're not experiencing a breast orgasm, it could be blocks
to bless right blocks. So my personal experience of reclamation

(26:46):
with my breast breast orgasms. So when I was nineteen ish,
I remember this very clearly. When I was a teenager
and you know, young adult, and I would have my
male partners at the time playing with my breast. I
experience so much pleasure. I would frequently have breast orgasms,
and I didn't think anything of it. I thought, you know, like,

(27:07):
if i'm that's what your male partner wants is he
wants you to experience pleasure, and that's why we're doing this, right,
So I end abashedly like moaned and carried on whatever.
And I had this fun partner, particularly this one night,
I was like in the throes of my breast orgasm
and he stopped and he said, stop faking it. And
I was like, like, I'm in orgasm. I'm like, wait,

(27:28):
what do you talk And he said it with such
like anger, right, And I was just like shocked, you know,
because We're we're like in this really open place and
I'm like, what are you talking about. He's like, you're
making too much sound, You're writhing all around, like it
just seems like this is like overdone, you're exaggerating. I
was fucking crushed. I was like, I mean, previous to

(27:51):
I'm saying this, I was like in my I was
in my authentic bliss, Like there was like I wasn't
even in There was nothing in my had other than
oh my god, this feels so good. Right. And then
in that wide open space, he shamed me for my pleasure.
He shamed me for my experience of pleasure because he

(28:13):
was insecure. He I don't know, I guess he never
seen women in the throes of breast orgasm passion. I
don't know. He didn't trust that it was an authentic
experience because of his own insecurity about his ability to
bring pleasure. So keep that in mind, ladies, if you've
ever been shamed by a man while making love, it
could be his own insecurity and not something wrong with you,

(28:35):
just saying so. So anyway, So I was crushed, literally heartbroken,
and I you know, this wasn't the conscious choice for me.
But looking back, I realized I there was. I didn't
experience pleasure in my breasts like that and for the
next twenty years. I'm not fucking lying for the next
twenty years. And I didn't know that. I just didn't.

(29:00):
It just didn't even occur to me, like it just
you know. That's the way these blocks happen is they're
so subtle. When we're an experience of such expansion and openness,
and then we're shamed and we shut down some deep,
subtle core part of us to protect us says, oh,
that's not safe. I'm never going to do that again,
and so we may experience pleasure. This has been my experience.

(29:23):
I will from that. I experienced pleasure up to a point,
but never passed the point that it would go into orgasm.
I never allowed myself to be that free and open
again from that particular stimulation until you know, several years
later what I believed twenty approximately twenty years later. So

(29:43):
then fast forward, thinking back, it wasn't exactly twenty years
because I think then I started having breast orgasms again
when I was about thirty four to thirty five, right,
So this happened I remember when I was nineteen. I
remember it happen when I was nineteen. There was a
demarcation in my experience of sexuality and then when I
was about thirty four thirty five through my contra, right,

(30:04):
so I didn't even I didn't even realize I was blocked.
All I didn't even realize I had to block. So
I remember this one evening I was doing tontra with
my mentor, and I can't remember the exact details because
this was all like seventeen years ago and everything's kind
of fucking fuzzy, but there was something, you know, playing
with my breasts, and then there was some conversation about
like I think he asked me like, do you do

(30:26):
you like, you know, do you have you ever had
a breast orgasm? And then I started thinking back, and
I'm like, oh yeah, And then I connected the dots
of like like, oh, I used to have this thing,
and then I was shamed because I forgot about that
experience because we don't want to carry that around. I
completely forgot about it. But then I remembered in this
context I had this experience. Oh, you know, and then

(30:46):
we started talking about him processing it and through the
processing of it, then I started to regain sensation in
my breasts. Now here's the thing. I still wasn't liberated
enough to like it. It wasn't a full reclamation. It
was like, yes, I started having more sensation, but I
wasn't at the point of where I was having full
orgasms from nipple stimulation. The medicine that I needed to

(31:12):
actually start having full nipple orgasms again is when I
was in a same sex relationship with another woman. When
I was in relationship with a woman and the safety
and the nurturing and I'm gonna the lack of trauma
because my sexual experiences with women or girls my whole life.

(31:33):
I'm bisexual. I've been. My first sexual experiences were with
you know, volva owners, So my sexual experiences with women
had always been or girls, shall we say, females. However,
having the company agents. We did exploration and they that
we were not women at that time, right, So, so

(31:56):
as a woman, my sexual experiences with women have been positive,
they haven't been traumatic, and so being I was able
to reclaim my ability for a breast orgasm in the
container that had never inflicted trauma, had never been sexually
traumatic for me or directly sexually traumatic. There was there

(32:17):
was trauma around, as you know, a young girl and
young woman. There was trauma around being a social trauma
around being in the same sex connection. But I hadn't
been traumatized in a romantic relationship with a woman, so
there was I'm just trying to spell this out for
you why this container was safe for me to actually
relax into getting past that block Because the initial trauma

(32:42):
had come from a lingam owner had come from a man,
So I wasn't able to my nervous system, my soma,
shall we say, was not able to actually fully release
and relax with another man with a man there. But
when I was in a loving and nurturing and healthy
relation with another female, my nervous system and my body

(33:04):
felt safe enough to let go so that I could
reclaim that experience. And so that's What occurred for me
is my full reclamation of breast orgasm occurred in the
container of being in a loving, same sex relationship with
another woman, and then since then I've been able to
translate that into my partnerships with men. So that's my

(33:24):
personal story of reclaiming my breast orgasm. Yay go team.
That was very.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
No, no, it was beautiful, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
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Speaker 1 (33:52):
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Speaker 1 (35:00):
And yeah, it's wonderful how our bodies are able to
you know, protect us, and then how malleable they are,
how much of an opportunity we have to heal and.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Grow plasticity, neure a plastics. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. So please,
it's still chaos in my house with my pack of perils.
So please let me know if the barking gets too
awful for you, because it's chaos for me. It's not bad.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
It's little gifts in the background for us.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yes, yes, yes, So for me as a young as
a young girl, as a young woman, I never had
breast orgasms. It just wasn't something that I had even
thought of to play with. But I did have breast sensitivity.
What happened for me was when I was in college.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I have had a number of.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Male friends who had nibble piercings and they liked to
talk to me about how it had increased their sensation
in their nipples, and I was like.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Oh, I like that.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Ooh, that's kind of that looks kind of sexy.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I want to I want.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
One of those. So when I was in college, I
got my left nipple pierced, and for me, it had
the opposite effect. Both of my nipples went completely numb
when I had my left nipple pierced, and remained numb
for most of my life. I know for some people
it does increase pleasure, but for me, it just shut

(36:36):
them down completely.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
It was traumatic for my nipples.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
And then I just thought, well, that's the way it
is now and didn't really didn't really think there was
anything else that could be done. Fast forward to my
TNTRA training, right, So I started training with you, and
then I went through my certification, and after about a
year of doing TNTRA, I was with my partner now husband,

(37:02):
and as we were as we were playing together, I
started getting this this like very intense stabbing sensation in
one of my nipples and I was like, oh, okay,
like I'm there's a block there, I'm releasing a block.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
And so.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
My experience was actually with tantrum with the elements. So
I had my partner chant. He wasn't even touching my nipple.
I just had him chance one of the elemental seed
syllables over my nipple, like hovering over it, and it
felt like I had like a lightning bolt of pleasure
that went from my nipple like straight down into my

(37:39):
glitterings and I just burst into orgizm. And so since
then they're not fully like reawakened, but since then I
just continue to have more and more pleasure in that region.
Thanks too. So matic sexual healing and tantrum.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Wow wow wow wow. So I like that is such
a profound testimonial to the power of the elements, because
like somatic sexual healing deals with the soma the body,
that's what it is. But tung Tra Tibetan five element
contra what we teach, deals with the energy body. So
those two together are like the secret sauce. That's like

(38:17):
the magic recipe of transformation is working with the soma
the body, because the body is Buddha. The body has
its own wisdom. But then engaging the energy body as well,
which is the missing piece for me in a lot
of somatic work, is the engagement of the energy body.
Because the energy body and the physical body are like
two sides of the same hand, right. You can't have
the palm without the top of the hand. You can't

(38:39):
have the top of the hand without the palm. It's
the same thing. That's the way the energy body and
the physical body are. You can't have one without the other, right,
So that may not be entirely correct. I think there's
in in Vadriyan Buddhism you can like refine your energy
body so that you can leave your physical body and
carry your energy body on. But we ain't at that

(38:59):
place yet for the rest of us humans here, the
energy body and the physical body are you know, are
are are the same? So so yeah, so that chanting
of the elements that you described activated the energy body,
and that activation of the energy body was enough to
release that block so that then the soma could actually

(39:20):
function the way it's designed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's
that's incredible, what an incredible testimonial. And I have to say,
I mean I've experienced a lot of that with many
of our students who like work with the elements during
sexual whatever and it helps like pop a block or
just like it just blows up and moves out and
then pleasure comes swooping in.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I know, the Elements are magical. Sometimes it feels like
you're in an alternate reality working with them.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
The things they do, they are chapnistic, right, that's the
thing for the Elements. A little side note on the
Elements here, the five Elements is you know, they they
connect us to our to our animistic it's humanity, like
as human beings, all of us, as human beings, all
of us shared one spiritual tradition at the root, and
that was that all of life is sacred, like you know,

(40:11):
look it up, google your history, whatever you need to do.
But that was twenty thousand years ago. That was the
only spiritual belief in existence. That everything was sentient and
everything is an expression of Creator, and everything is alive
and conscious, and that we are in relationship with every
every aspect of our life. There's no separation, right. So

(40:32):
the five Element teachings that we offer help us access
the animistic roots of our own humanity from the inside out.
That's been my experience. That's what I've seen for seventeen
years teaching this. This is what countless students say, like,
that's just the thing. So if you want to learn
more about the five elements, that's our plug Holistic Sexology
Institute dot com. You can find out more about that. Yeah. Cool,

(40:54):
all right, So Elena and I are describing these wonderful,
you know, healing and reclamation experiences of breast. So now
we want to give you some tips for how you
can do this on your own, meaning by yourself or
with a partner, right on your own and your own
home and your own bed and your own environment where
it's safe and juicy and delicious for you. So we're
going to give you some tips to start exploring this.

(41:15):
I have to put my spectacles back on so I
can read, okay, So here are some tips on how
to explore your nipple orgasms. And these suggestions will work
solo or with a partner. So first thing you want
to do, my friends, is you want to create sacred space.
So there's lots of scientific research that shows this, and

(41:39):
beyond scientific research, are you know, human roots or roots
of humanity show us that when we take the time
to create ritual, create ritual space or sacred space. It
actually alters our consciousness. It's like a little portal like
the process of create eating sacred space. The process of

(42:01):
creating ritual, which is creating sacred space, actually shifts our
awareness and starts harmonizing the right and the left hemispheres
of the brain and creating. It's like priming us for
what Western science calls the flow state, which, as I
just say, is like being human. Right. So, but but

(42:22):
going through the process, engaging, initiating the process of creating
sacred space, it's like creating a line of demarcation between
the rest of your life or busy you know, capitalistic
modern lives, and like and and reclaiming our time, reclaiming
my time, Like this is my space. And it's signaling
to all and my body, mind, spirit, sex, all of
me that I'm creating a sacred container for healing and

(42:48):
healing through pleasure to arise. Right. So it's a gift,
and it's an honoring of yourself, it truly is. So
you deserve this, You are worth beautiful sacred space. So
take that creative for yourself, And honestly, it does not
have to be elaborate It can just be like, you know,
making sure your room is picked up and putting some oil,
you know, diffuser in your oil, or lighting a stick

(43:10):
of incense and lighting a little fucking tea light candle
and there you go. Right, whatever you need to do,
think of it as nurturing yourself. And if this is
a challenge for you, I invite you to start small.
Start start just a little, just a little tiny gift,
you know, just give yourself these little tiny gifts of
what what is going to be feel pleasurable and sensual
to you because you deserve it. And this is how

(43:32):
you are taking care of yourself and nurturing your well being.
And that is very important, way importante. Okay, So the
first step for healing, any type of sexual healing is
creating your sacred space. That's first step. Then inviting you
to get cozy, get comfortable. I invite you, like, my
favorite position isn't like flat on my back unless I

(43:53):
want to go to sleep, but like in a nice
reclined position. So kind of like if you're going to
read a book and or you're gonna like watch TV
in bed or whatever you're gonna do. So it's like
you got your pillows. Like you can kind of see
me and the cat on the video if I was
laying back here on the pillows, that's what I happened.
Looked like a nice relaxed, reclient position. And I'll invite
you to put one hand on your heart and one

(44:15):
hand on your belly or your genitals, whatever's comfortable for you.
Just go ahead and put those hands there. That creates
a somatic connection between the heart and this other air
of your body. So there's like a sense of union
and comfort here. Union and comfort that's important. And then
just you know, breathe into your body. Just take some time.
You can breathe in through your nose, out through your mouth,

(44:40):
just you know, relax and breathe and feel yourself connect
with yourself. And if you're with a partner, your partner
can put their hands over your like I love doing
that with my partner, where I've got my hands on
my heart and my belly or my heart my genitals,
and then my partner puts their hands on my over
my heart and my genitals like on top of my hands.
I love that. That's just an idea of for you

(45:00):
or your partner can do that without even your hands
you can just lay there and just lay and receive,
all right, and then when you feel present and relaxed,
inviting you to have your to miss either you massage
your breast or have your partner massage your breast with
warm oil. Don't be going with that room temperature oil.
Heat that that's part of your setup. Get that warm,

(45:23):
warm oil. There ain't nothing like worm oil. So get
that warm oil because you deserve it. Take that extra step,
that extra step of luxury, and warm your oil and
massage your breast with warm oil. And when you feel
ready and you can massage your breast however you want to,
we can do another you know, like episode on how

(45:44):
to massage your breast. But massage in the way that
feels good to you, what feels good to you. That's
the best, the best technique on this planet that we
could ever teach you is what feels good to you.
And if you don't know, explore, discover it's your body.
Discover it. It's a full playground. It can be so massaging.

(46:06):
And then when you feel ready, focus the stimulation on
the nipples. If the nipple, if that's pleasurable for you,
and if your nipples are numb, just you know, massage
around the nipples, find the areas, Explore the areas on
your breasts and around your breasts that feel pleasurable to you.
And when you find a pleasure zone, hang out there
for a little bit. Cultivate that pleasure. Cultivate it. And

(46:29):
then I also invite you, particularly if you have your
nipples are are desensitized or numb is, stimulate your clatorus
at the same time as you're stimulating your nipples. So
this is the process that we refer to as translating pleasure.
You're taking pleasure, You're building a pleasurable charge in one

(46:51):
area of your body, and then through your touch and
you are your awareness, you are translating it to this
other area of your body to remind mind that of
your body. Hey, you feel this pleasure over here, you
can feel that here. So it's like it wakes it up.
It connects these two points pleasure points on the body

(47:12):
and wakes them up so they can come and dance
in harmony and union together. Right, and you can have
a blended clitteral nipple orgasm. I've had those before. So
bring your clitorists to the party. Your clitterius wants to
rights isn't super sensitive than anywhere on your anywhere on
your volva like I've had, Like I've gone through periods

(47:33):
where my the tip of my clatoris is the TMI.
But I'm just gonna share with you because my body
is an experiment. The tip of my clatorus may may
for some reason not be super sensitive, but maybe the
side of it is, or maybe one of my inner
labia is super Just it's just going off today. It
just like I'm feeling myself today. Right, So, whenever area

(47:55):
of your vulva is really juicy and delicious, pleasuring that
and then and then connecting that to your nipple and
then relax, breathe and enjoy the sensation. And do you
want to add to that, my friend?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, So the only thing I want to add is
that for people who have stubbornly numb nipples, you can
also add like a different sensation. I find it really
helpful to use like a very like a just almost
painful pinch or roll, because I find that when you
got like really stubborn numbness or even scar tissue, having

(48:32):
that little pinch where it just brings a tiny bit
of pain wakes up the nerves in a different way
that then allows you to use that gentle touch to
experience pleasure, whereas if you're totally numb, sometimes the gentle
touch just doesn't penetrate at first.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
That is a really good point, Elena, because you know,
stimulating your nipples in a way that feels good to
you for some people may be gentle. For me, I
really enjoy my nipples being pinched right or even old. Right,
So this is part of your exploration, is like what
feels good and if like blowing on your nipples doesn't,

(49:07):
what and maybe because you need a different type of stimulation, right,
So like there's this is this is an invitation for
you to explore the variety of of the variety of sensations.
So as Elena said, maybe pinching, maybe bringing piercing, like
a little bit of pain, maybe tugging, maybe sucking. Like look,
this is a buffet, like I re invite you to explore.

(49:31):
Maybe you want to bring in like some people like
nipple clamps, you know, some people like put the vibrator.
Try a vibrator like this is again it's a plane land.
Bring all the things to the party, Bring all the
things and explore and discover for some folks feathers may
work for other folks. A drill, you know, whatever works.
I'm just kidding about the drill.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Whatever works, right, And I think, no, go ahead, And
I think the important thing when you're like trying to
have nipple orgasms is to not let the trying overwhelm you.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Right, So, like, whatever you're trying, just make sure it's
still enjoyable and relaxing, right, Because the harder we try,
sometimes the further away our pleasure and orgasm gets.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Well. I would say, don't even try. I do not.
I would say remove the goal and just relax into
the sensation. And that's what I mean, like like, create
a sacred space, how will the ritual and just play
and explore, because particularly if you're doing this with a partner,
I mean, this exploration may turn into something more. You know,
if you're with yourself, it may turn into a full

(50:41):
self pleasure session, a full you know, tontric or holistic
masturbation session, whatever word you want to use there. So yeah,
so letting go of the goal of orgasm and really
just focusing on pleasure and connection. And I say that
like in terms of sex in general, like please throughout,
orgasm is the goal. If you hold orgasm is the goal,

(51:03):
and it limits it limits our capacity for orgasm if
we think we even fucking know what an orgasm is
in some way, like truly, because I've been surprised. I'm like,
holy shit, I didn't know that was possible, right, I didn't.
I didn't even know that my body could do that.
But if we're if I'm fixated on no, my orgasm

(51:24):
has to look like this, then any other flavor of
orgasm that wants to arise I just dismiss. So I'm like, really,
it's like having blinder orgasmic blinders on, right, I'm only
focused on this one particular sensation, and then I'm frustrated
if I don't get that specific sensation and I'm judging
everything else by that one specific sensation. But our orgasmic
capacity is vast and infinite, and we can have ear orgasms.

(51:47):
We started this episode of you know, like squeeze in
your thighs and having thigh orgasms, like you even have
infinite variety of orgasms. So my personal advice is to
to in general when it comes to sexuality, they take
orgasm is the goal off of the table. And refocus
on connection, sensation, and pleasure truly, because you know, I

(52:10):
even use I used to say, I used to say,
you know that make pleasure be the goal. But even
that for folks who struggle, you know, or maybe don't
have pleasure, but maybe they just have sensation, beautiful beautiful sensation,
and then connection, because pleasure without connection, what's the fucking point?
What is the point? It's like cardboard, right, It's just

(52:31):
like it's it's like it's like the really bad porn.
It's really bad porn. It's like cardboard. It's no good,
no boy. Now, So thank you for that point, Elena,
just say, take orgasm out as the main goal and
put the focus on pleasure, connection and exploration. Because your
body is a wonderland there, says your body is. It

(52:54):
really is. It's a wonderland. And when we take the
time to connect and explore, a whole world of infinite
possibilities becomes accessible to us. Right, So yeah, all right
to me, he goes, that is it for us today.
We hope that was supportive. It was a bit of

(53:15):
a fun episode and a little bit of a chaotic
episode with the my menagerie of animals causing chaos in
the background. Hope you enjoyed it. Make sure once again
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(53:37):
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We are having a very special event to launch our
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(53:58):
profound thirteen month transformational program to set you up in
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of the things we want to say about this program
is this program contains a lot of what is referred
to as tontra in the neotntra world. But we are

(54:22):
not calling it tantra because it is not authentic actual tentra.
It is healing, it is medicine, and is holistic sex
It is holistic sexology, but it is not actually tontra.
So Neotontra will call it tntra. We're not gonna call
it tntra. We're gonna call it holistic sexology because the contra.
We know what real fucking tntra is. So I just

(54:42):
want to put those of you are, like, what is
holistic sexology. It's a lot of what is being is
a lot of what is being promoted as neotntra, but
neo tantra is not actually tantra. So we're ethically and
and meeting our needs for ethics and integrity. We call
it holistic sexology and it goes way deeper than a
lot of what is being So go ahead if you
want to learn more about it. In November fourth, we

(55:03):
are hosting an event. It's an hour and a half
online and it's called Pleasure is Resistance because it's not
just about this certification program. It's about how and why
this certification program is important and necessary and how why
it's important and necessary for you as a practitioner to
particularly at this time of the world, in this time

(55:25):
of society, to be anchored and rooted in ethical and
integris and deeply informed information, like deeply informed as a
practitioner with all the fuckery and all the confusion, so
important for us to be rooted and anchored in truth

(55:48):
and clarity and integrity and ethics, and so that is
that is part of why we're sharing this event, and
this is part of what we're going to be connecting
the dots for you around in this event. Did I
say that correct ly, Elena? Did I say yeah? Yeah,
that was beautiful? Okay, cool? Yeah, all right, awesome, awesome.

(56:09):
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We love to see you there. I love to see
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(56:30):
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