Recapping the Chicago Bears win over the New Orleans Saints

The Chicago Bears won their fourth straight game Sunday when they beat the New Orleans Saints 26-14. Shaw Local's Michal Dwojak and Joe Aguilar break down the win and what it means moving forward.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, and welcome to the latest episode of the Shaw
Local Bears. Inside our podcast I and Chicago Bears report
of Michael Duo. Jake here with the Northwest hero Joe Aguilar.
As we are joining you guys Monday morning after the
bears fourth straight win, they beat the New Orleans Saints
twenty four to sixteen on Sunday in the lake Front.

(00:26):
Joe wasn't pretty by any means. You know, it wasn't
a mona Lisa, But I mean, the Bears went old
school on Sunday afternoon. They ran the ball, they forced turnovers,
and they found a way to win a football game
against the New Orleans Saints.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, it was almost like the eighty five Bears. Man.
It's funny because during the game, when DeAndre Swift was
already over one hundred yards but one guy was threatening
to get there, they just kind of ran out of
time and didn't need him to run the ball a
lot more Swift or anybody. I had to look up, like,
what was the last time the Bears said two one
hundred yard rushers in one game? And my search brought

(01:05):
me back to the eighty five Bears with Walter and
Matt Suey, so it didn't happen. Mon On guy finished
with eighty one yards, but regardless, it was Bears running
the football defense. We're still waiting for the quarterback to
show consistency. We'll get to that later. But hey, man,
four wins in a row and the Bears will take it.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, I think you know. That was obviously a big
message for Ben after the game, where it's good to
win and you still have like stuff to work on, right,
Like it's easier to teach guys when you're winning and
that sort of stuff. So obviously there's a lot of
stuff to break down. We'll break down, you know, Sunday's
Sunday's game. If you're joining us on the livestream things

(01:47):
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(02:29):
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on YouTube. All right, Joe, Obviously a big win for
the Bears, fourth straight win. A lot of stuff went
right and a lot of stuff went wrong for for
you know, for it being such a wide margin game.
So let's start with the positive. Obviously, it's a win, Joe,

(02:53):
what is your first winner from Sunday's win.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's gotta be the running game in partic Hiller DeAndre Swift.
I mean, wow, have they have they figured this out
two games in a row? Down or they've run the
ball with authority, They've gotten some big plays and just consistently, uh,
they've been able to do whether it was swift from
a young guy and bring Roseean Johnson got to carry
and gained the eleven yards yesterday, him and his big

(03:18):
guardian cap. You know, I mean that's and maybe there's
some continuity finally with this offensive line with with Benedict
you know, on the on the left side, and you
know they're all right healthy and the inside we do
other than Drew Dolman refusing to snap the football to
Kyle to Caleb Williams a couple of times. Uh, they

(03:40):
looked good. And you know, it's strange, Michael, because if
I would have told you, you know, two months ago,
the Bears before and two you'd say, well, Caleb must
be really making strides and this passing game must be
clicking on all cylinders here and are hitting on all cylinders.
But it really has him. But the running game, boy,

(04:01):
if that can be a thing going forward, if that
can be a consistent mark like they've shown the last
two games, the passing game's gonna come around. It might
just take more time than well, I'll speak for myself,
like guys like me want to see it like now,
It's just gonna take some time. Although smarter guys like
you have been saying all along. Other guys it's it's
gonna take time with Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams. But

(04:24):
the running game yesterday, certainly Swift. I thought he looked
fantastic all day. I don't know if he had a
bad run, honestly, Uh, but one twenty four on the ground.
That's back to back one hundred yard games. Game ball
to DeAndre Swift. Unless Drew Dolman's gonna just keep it
in his hands and not gonna give anything, not gonna
give a football away to anybody. I'm just choking there.
But DeAndre Swift the running game, Monnong guy too. Boy

(04:47):
he looked good. But boy looked like you or me
could have ran for a couple of yards against that
Saints front man. They didn't look good at all. But
kudos to DeAndre Swift, who we've said I he's a
better running back than I think he was getting credit
for earlier this season. But props to him and anong
guy too, And just nice to see him get his
first big league touchdown.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, it was a it was a it's good to see.
You know, I had in my takeaways. You know you're
interested to see whether you know, was it just a
fluke performance against the Commanders in bad conditions or was
this the real thing? And it through two games it
seems to be the real thing. You know. A couple
of weeks ago, we talked about how the Bears were like, oh, like,
we're a small thing away from having this click, and

(05:29):
it didn't. I think that must have been the Raiders
game because it didn't end up clicking in that game either,
and then we were like, well, how how close is this?
Like is this really just a small thing? But it
does seem like the option, you know, I feel like
Ben and DeAndre Swift and Ka manong Gat anything. De
Glen Doyle, the BEARZOC was also asked us, you know,
was anything changed during the bye week? And I think

(05:51):
the answer has been consistently no. Everyone is just kind
of doing what they need to be doing, Like you're
the guys on the offensive line are actually blocking, and
obviously you have you have Deo Bennett in there at
left tackle instead of instead of Braxton Jones. I don't
know if that's really making that huge of a difference
where you go from you know, barely rushing for fifty
yards to two hundred and you know whatever, it was

(06:12):
two twenty, but you're seeing the offensive line, the interior
is getting stuff going the off the wide receivers and
tight ends have really bought in on the outside, and
that's creating a lot of lanes. And you see DeAndre Swift,
you know, I think he was he was pretty ticked
off at the start of the year, like he wasn't
getting the performances that he wanted. I think he believes,
especially after last year, that he could be better. There

(06:34):
was a whole off season conversation about you need to
change running backs. Ben Jonson hates DeAndre Swift because they
traded him after one year, all that sort of stuff,
all the narratives throughout the off season. They got signed one,
then they got draft one high. I think you'd be
foolish to think that a running back doesn't hear that.
Even if you're not on social media, you hear at
least a little bit of it, right like you hear

(06:54):
a little bit about whether it's on the radio, if
you still listen to radio, or all that stuff. So
I think he came out motivated and he's hitting. He's
doing exactly what you kind of hoped he could do.
He's hitting the open, open lanes. He's getting into open space,
and then he's making guys mess. He's doing a lot
of nice moves, a lot of juke moves to you know,

(07:14):
break at tackle here and that sort of stuff. So
I agree with you, Joe, this, this running attack is
really hitting right now. For Kyle Mnungai to also pick
up what was it, It was eighty eighty one yards
his first touchdown as a running back, then as a
team averaging five point five yards. You know, Eric Benemy,

(07:35):
the running backs coach, talks about how he wants four
and a half yards on every run and then everything
anything else is gravy, like you're seeing it execute at
this point, and I agree, Like, I think this has
to be a really encouraging point because if you get
that running attack going, things will open up, you know,
in the passing game, because teams are gonna have to
defend a run.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I I want to see both of them working together.
It's like we get the passing game going a little
earlier in the season, like the Dallas game, and you know,
bitch and parts in the other games before yesterday, and
then the running game hadn't been therefore before the bye anyway,
now you got to get them both going because I

(08:17):
think there's still a lot more to be done by
this offense. Say what, they scored twenty six points, so
twenty six twenty five the last three weeks here, you know,
my goodness, not that I expect him to score thirty
three points in one quarter like the Broncos did yesterday.
That was insane, maybe one of the most insane games

(08:38):
they can remember with that game with the Giants. But
there's more here for the offense, and it's amazing because
like you look at the receivers yesterday for the Bears
and Caleb's numbers. We'll get to that. Not good, but
when you can run the ball like that, I mean again,
I don't know if there was any negative plays, you
know when they ran the ball. I mean it was

(09:00):
all positive yards and chunks of it again, not the
twenty thirty yard er stuff, But like Bieneby was just
you know, telling you guys, you know, get that, get
you know four and a half a carry. You know
you can win a lot of football games doing that.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, you definitely can. And you know we'll get to
to the you know, the you know what this means
moving forward, but have to be encouraged at least to
see back to back performance. Is good for DeAndre, good
for Kyle, good for Rochean to get in there, especially
after last week. Ben was kind of noncommittal toward you know,
Rochan being in there, and then you know, obviously he
got in there and made the most of it when
he got his opportunity. All right, my first winner has

(09:39):
to be the defense. I mean, for four takeaways once
again for the third time in four weeks. They forced
at least three turnovers in the last four weeks. You know,
I had the lead of my story. Kevin Byer told
us after the game that, you know, Al Harris, the
team's passing game coordinator defensive backs coach, said that you're
gonna get four takeaways again on SUN And they're like,

(10:00):
what what are you talking about? Like, obviously, it's been
really impressive to do it so far, but like, come on,
we're not going to keep doing this, and you know,
they did it again and it has to be I
don't know if we can do a combo part of this,
but the whole, my whole main story was how are
they able to do this? And they were able to
do it because you finally had a pass rush like
you really got after Spencer Raveler, you really affected him.

(10:23):
And they did it different ways, right, You had Montese
sweat for so fumble, you had Tremaine Edmunds also get
a sack. But then you got Kyler Gordon and Jakwan
Prisker involved, which is something that I think Bears fans
have been looking for ever since those guys were together.
Bears fans had a way a little bit because of
Kyler Gordon's hamstring injury at the start of the year.

(10:43):
Then obviously on Monday Night in his first game, you know,
in sloppy conditions, I think you kind of expected him
to kind of get you know, get used to you know,
back to the game shape and all sort of stuff,
like you're not You're not going to make a crazy
performance in your first game back. But Sunday you saw
what this Bears defense can be with Kwan Brisker and
and Kyler Gordon.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I know a lot of Bears fans were like, man,
if we had Jalen Johnson in there like that secondary
would be like unstoppable, And it just is crazy. It's
really been impressive for what this defense has been able
to do just continuously, you know, practicing. You know Dennis
Allen's mentality of studying up being in the right spy
in the right time and making sure that we have

(11:24):
bodies there. I mean, you know, Nasehon Wright was right place,
right time. I know Kevin Byern's was kind of you
know at Duck snort and he you know, kind of
just just took it away and that Tamaine Edmonds got
got it after t J Edwards kind of deflected the
ball off of pass. But you know montest Wage just
kept with the pressure and just popped that ball out
and then Gravon Dexter was in the right place at

(11:45):
the right time. Right Like you are just seeing this
defense play really buy into Dennis Allen's defense, And I
think that has to be really talked about a lot,
because you know, they haven't been able to play the
man the man press coverage that they wanted. But Dennis
Allen has adjusted, He's gotten guys involved, These move guys
around the line, and and you're seeing it, you know,
work in such a way that you know, Kevin Byer

(12:06):
said after the game, like this isn't normal, Like you
don't force for turnovers in three of the last four games.
So yeah, the defense, I mean, just for what they've
been able to accomplish and the way that they've been
accomplishing it so far. You know, it wasn't perfect, but
I do think that you really have to be encouraged
about what this defense has been able to do up
to this point. And now that they got the guys

(12:27):
back and kind of gaining them into, you know, in
their usual shape, I think you really have to be
encouraged about what this defense can do moving forward.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I mean, and who saw this coming After the Week
two game when they gave a fifty two to Detroit
and it probably could have been more. I mean, that's
how bad it was. But for them to get the
turnovers again with four more, as you mentioned, I don't
know how you keep this up. I mean, but even
if you get one or two, you know, that's good

(12:57):
a game, and they're doubling that. But it just shows
what confidence can do. And coaching. You know, for all
the inconsistencies we've seen personnel wise from guys, you know, boy,
the coaching they got it right. I mean, not only
with Ben Johnson but with Dennis Allen. You mentioned Eric Bannaby,
the other guys that the coaching staff here, they just

(13:21):
look like a well coached football team because they don't.
It's not all there yet by any means. You know,
they're not dominating teams. You know, they're not a you know,
playoff talk will table that for a for a while still,
but coaching is making a difference, all right.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Joe, who is your second winner from Sunday's game?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, kind of to piggyback off what you're saying, I'll
go with Dennis Allen. I mean, you know, revenge game
for him, the team he used to be the head
coach for. They're figuring it out. We were pretty confident
in him, you know, going into the season, I think
pretty much everyone thought it was a good higher and
then you saw the Detroit gamer, Like, what the heck
is going on here? I know they're banged up. No

(14:05):
Jalen or no no Kyler Gordon that game TJ got heard,
barely played that Detroit game. But to see what they've
done here in the four games since then, he's pretty remarkable.
Just like they're buying in, he's finding ways. I was
so glad to finally see the blitzing coming from the
secondary where it worked this time. But getting Kyler back,
as you mentioned, now that he's looked like he's one

(14:26):
hundred percent or close to it. But to see like
I expect to see more of that. I think he's
a guy who can get five six, you know, five
or six acts a year if he plays all seventeen.
That's not gonna happen this year, but you know, because
he's got that ability. And then ya Kwan Brisker, we've
seen that in the pass room from him, the ability
to get to the quarterback on blitzing and he he

(14:46):
did a nice job. Is too bad he had that
pass interference on what was a third and twenty eight
there that kind of gave the Saints a window and
then you know, nay Sean right like two plays later
gets the interception. But finally glad to see that, and
I think we'll see more of that going forward from
this defense. But but Dennis Allen, right, patch off Man,
he got the game ball from Ben Jonson. Ben Johnson

(15:06):
said he has more to give, but he only had
one apparently after the game, so he gave it to
Dennis Allen. And certainly, I mean the defense won the game.
They set the tone first series of the game with
Montes sweat with that strip sack and you know they
turned that into three points from my guy Jake Moody,
and you know they never trailed. And so the defense

(15:29):
and that starts with Dennis Allen.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, you know, heading into the week, you know, Dennis really,
you know, downplayed the whole thing. He you know, he
talked about you know, it's just another game. Obviously spend
the majority of his career there. He wasn't you know,
he wasn't going to make this about himself and his
you know, play against New Orleans. But talking the players
after the game, especially Kevin Byron, you know, he was

(15:52):
he's a veteran, he's been around the league for a
while now, and he said, like, you know, listen, Dennis
didn't didn't make it about this game, but we knew,
like the players knew what this was for him like that,
he didn't have to say anything, Like the players knew
what it meant for him to be playing against a
team that you know, didn't want him anymore, Like he
said in his you know, it was funny. I thought

(16:12):
Dennis actually had a pretty positive spin on being fired
last year when he was talking to the team about
being like, you know, it wasn't part of the play
on God's plan, and you know when when another team
doesn't want you, that's okay, and you know he's happy
to be here and all that sort of stuff. But yeah,
I mean, Dennis Alland has to be a big winner,
not only for this game, but just I don't think
anyone was by any means doubting Dennis after two games

(16:35):
with you know, your major playmakers hurt. But I think
they were probably like, Okay, like, what is this going
to look like? Like the secondary is getting bullied, You're
not creating a pass rush. Through two games, you were
just kind of like, oh boy, like this could this
could get pretty ugly. But I think you really have
seen the defensive players, not that they weren't bought in

(16:55):
at the start of training camp or during OTAs, but
I think it's one of those situations or once you
start to see it really work, it really kind of
gets you going right And and I think they saw
it really work against Dallas when they were able to
pick off Dak press got in the fourth quarter three
straight times, and then from there you just kind of
continuously saw them put up big performances. So yeah, you

(17:17):
have to be really happy for Dennis what he was
able to do and and and how was he was
able to do it. So yeah, I think that's a
really good winner. And I'm sure he's really happy. But
I'm sure he'll also tell you he's onto uh On Baltimore.
At this point. He doesn't want to talk about the Saints,
but maybe he will want to talk about We'll see,
all right, Joe. My second winner is going to be
the offensive line. Obviously, we talked about how well they

(17:41):
were performing to create a lot of different lanes from
the running attack, but they also did a good job
of protecting Caleb. Caleb was only sacked once for eight
yards in that game. I think that came on third down.
You know that this will probably get into our losers
a little bit later. Caleb escaped a lot of pressure.
Sometimes he was he was doing a lot of scrambling.

(18:03):
I know that there was a Drew Dolman situations with
the snaps a little bit, but I think for the
most part, this is your offensive line for the rest
of the season. I think I think you were really
encouraged about what you're seeing from the interior. The new
guys are really gelling with each other, you know, Jonah Jackson,
Drew Dolman and Joe Toney. Obviously, I know Drew Dalmen.

(18:25):
He took responsibility for some of the bad snaps and
the inconsistencies on the cadence, but Darnauld Wright has played
really well since coming back from injury. And Theo Bennett.
I think, you know, one of the big things from
last week when we were talking about when Ben Johnson
was asked about those guys, Ben said that he didn't
notice them. And that's like you have talked about in
the past, Joe, if you don't notice or even say

(18:47):
it offensive Lineman's name. For the most part, it kind
of stinks because they don't get their recognition. But that
also means that they're probably doing a really good job
because you're not recognizing them, right, they're not giving up anything.
And I think there was a player too or at
the Benedt. I think maybe on the first series gave
up a pass rush and you know, I think Chase
Young was able to get around him man, you know,
disrupt the pass. And I mean that's just a veteran

(19:09):
going against the second year player making a second start
at left tackle. That's just going to happen. But I
think for the most part, you have to be really
encouraged about what this offensive line has done in the
last two games. And I think that this is your
offensive line moving forward.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I agree, And you know the big you know, you
hear this with with teams talked about a lot with
offensive line consistency or lack of it, and it's continuity.
You got to have the five the same five guys
in there for most weeks. I mean, you're gonna have injuries,
and the Bears have seemed to have a lot of
them over the years on the old line. But if
you can just keep these guys healthy, that continuity, getting

(19:46):
used to playing with each other. You got some veteran
guys that we've talked about, Tony and Jonah Jackson, but
that helps if they can get this. I mean, I
don't want to hear eighty five faalse start again anymore
with Kamet. I mean, I'm getting tired of that. I've
been tired of that. But the other guys the on
the old line have been really good and you know,
most offensive I think all offensive lineman, not that I

(20:08):
ever was want will tell you they'd rather run block
than pass block, and they are showing that like they're
getting into a groove here, and like, look, I mean,
I know they're professionals, but confidence still matters, and they're
playing with a lot of confidence. Not two games in
a row. And let's keep doing it. And you know,
the passing game will come. It will come, but for now,

(20:31):
keep doing that. And even when the passing game does come,
you're still gonna need to you know, you're not gonna
need DeAndre Swift to rush for one hundred yards every game,
but you're gonna need to be able to run the ball,
and in crucial situations in particular. So this is good.
The old line deserves credit. The protection was really good yesterday.
Caleb had a lot of time to throw.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
And we'll get to him, and we keep teasing it.
We'll get him in a little bit here. Uh. But
the protection was there again. One sack and even then,
I mean he I think on that sec Michael, I mean,
I think I ran to the fridge, made myself a snack.
When I came back, he was still in the pocket.
He's still had time to throw. I mean, he had
all day. And then he finally went down, but uh,

(21:12):
there was there was some of that going on, but
the O line look, props props to all five of
those guys.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, you have to be really encouraged about what you're seeing.
And you know, we can get into the long term
debate about his feel your permanent answer and left tack
or is he good enough for this year? You know,
it's obviously too early to judge him on that, just
based on two games. But you have to be encouraged
by what you're seeing about this from this offensive line
up to this point, and what it's done for your
running attack and what the opportunity is has it has

(21:43):
created for Caleb moving forward. All right, Joe, who is
your final winner from Sunday's win?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Uh, you'll laugh, but I'm gonna go with Jake Moody.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I mean again almost, I mean, you chose him as
your most valuable baron you won that. You have to
say it.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Four for four yesterday, right, you know they weren't you know, no,
no sixty yarders or anything like that. But again, the
weather turned out. I can't had a figure feeling this
would happen. We talked about, oh it's gonna be bad weather.
Look out forty mile per hour, gus and it's gonna
be a mon soon and right, and it was okay,
wasn't it yesterday's Soldier field?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, I think it like maybe was drizzling by the time,
but like heading into it, it was just a constant
down four for four hours before the game.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Amazing, how it just noon and here comes the sun
and let's play football. But no, Jake was good again.
And we're not talking about gosh, you see, I don't
want to go back again, but I will to that
Giants Broncos game. But my goodness, the Giants kicker missed
two pats and they were huge. But so Jake is
just doing this job, right, Like when we're not talking

(22:50):
about the kicker, that's a good thing. And Jake is
just coming here in two weeks and again he might
be on the street in two weeks. Whatever Cairo gets healthy,
maybe the Giants will will snag Jake Moody. Some assume,
you know, it's still Cairo's job. I assume once he's
good enough to kick again. But in the meantime, Jake
just steady, steady, and again with that offense not being

(23:11):
able to put the ball in the end zone, via
the pass. You need the kicker to come in and
whether it's a twenty five yard or it's a forty
five yarder, to get in there and get points. And
I tell you I have one of my takeaways. Three
things that mattered yesterday in the game was after that.
You if the Saints, you know, they scored the end
of the half, they score on their first what possession

(23:32):
of the third quarter, and all of a sudden, you're like,
don't tell me the Bears are going to blow this
lead here. And the Bears come down, put together a
nice drive the fourth and one play, you know, our
fourth and goal from the one, the double clutch by Dollman,
and all of a sudden that bails them out. And
then they come in and I know it's a chip shot.
It's less than an extra point basically the field goal,

(23:54):
but those three points there. My point being, you gotta
even I it's just the three points. Gotta get it
there because if they don't get that, if it's you know,
if it because Caleb fumble that snap, because of the
Dolman you know, double clutch or whatever, all of a sudden,
like that's could be a momentum changer. You know you
were the six, like, hey man, we got the ball. No,
we can march ninety nine yards again, because that's what

(24:16):
we did at the end of the first half. Uh
So just getting points there. But Jake just being consistent.
I don't care if it's four thirty yard field goals
in the game, make all of them. And so props
to him for a guy again was out of a
job a month ago, basically after the Niners cut him
and he stashed under practice squad by the Bears, and
that turned out to be I don't know if it

(24:36):
was Saren dip bitters or what man, but that was
a good move to have him ready and he's showing
why he was actually a kicker who got drafted, because
that made him get drafted, as we know. But props
to Jake Moody.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, really cool opportunity for him. I don't know, I
get a chance to catch up with him after the game.
How difficult the circumstances were because it was windy, but
it wasn't too when you like if you looked at
the at the field and the field goal the flags.
But yeah, I mean you really have to give him
a lot of credit for stepping in the way he has.
You know, last week, the Bears have said that Cairo
is their starter. I don't know. I don't know if

(25:12):
you can take the job away from Cairo just because
you know, Jake Moody's made a bunch of field goals.
They've been very important field goals. Not to take discredit
that or anything, but it still feels like it's going
to be Kiro's job when he gets back and he's healthy.
But you have to figure that for Jake, he's created
a spot for himself on an NFL roster, whether that's

(25:33):
with the Bears or listen, maybe someone is just going
to swipe him from the practice squad because he's going
to go back on the practice squad this week, and
then they might have to elevate him if Cairo is
still not going. I'm not sure exactly how that works
where you know, if Cairo gets injured, whether that means
that the Bears would have to try to keep him
up Jake Moody, because obviously if if the team swipes

(25:54):
her from the practice squad this week, they wouldn't have
a kicker. But yeah, I would agree. Jake Moody is
a big is a big guy that has really made
his presence known over the past two weeks. All Right,
I'm gonna keep my last winner short and sweet. It's
one that I've used the last couple of weeks, but
it keeps coming up. This coaching staff is just winning,
and I think it's winning over a lot of fans.

(26:14):
I think it's winning. Not that he didn't win me
over or anything like that, but this is a game
that the Bears lose again in the past. This is
a game that I have no doubt that they lose.
The defense crumbles, they don't you know, they can't get
their running attack going. It just felt like a game
when the Saints were scoring those you know, those two

(26:35):
touchdowns at the end of the first half, and started
the second half they double dipped and he took advantage
of both opportunities, and it was I think it was
twenty to fourteen. It was kind of like, all right,
what are the Bears going to do in this scenario?
And you just saw that the coaching prevailed them, right,
like they were able to move the ball down. Yeah,
you would have won more touchdowns. We'll get there. But
I do think that this coaching staff is just prove

(26:58):
showing you like this team is into everything that they're selling.
They're putting them in good positions to win. It's not
perfect by any means, and we're about to get all
to the to the negatives about yesterday's win. But again,
this coaching staff, this is just there's no doubt in
my mind that this feels like a game that they
barely win by a point, or they they win last season,
if this coaching staff isn't in place one percent.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I mean, look, I think of all the major sports,
this is the sport where coaching matters the most. I've
maintained even in the last you know, several years here,
whether it be Eber Flues or John Fox or Mark Treshman,
I always feel like I can't believe the Bears have
the worst roster in the National Football League or one

(27:42):
of the five top, you know, worst rosters in the league.
I thought coaching matters so much. We see good teams. Look,
it's not like all fifty guys on the Chiefs are
really good good at football, right, I mean, I know
we got they have the best quarterback in the game,
but they good coaching matters, and and again I've said
this many times before, We're not seeing like the botched

(28:05):
time clock at the end of a half, at the
end of a game. We're seeing guys believing. We're seeing
guys who nay sean right making plays. I mean, this
guy could barely make an NFL roster the last three
years and he's now made two big plays. That pick
yesterday was huge. We know about the pick six week one.
So you're getting guys and it's it's guys all over

(28:26):
the board who are are making contributions. You don't have
to have the monster status for the day and be
a fantasy uh you know, uh steal for the for
the week, but you've got to be able to make contributions.
And they're getting it across the board. I think if
you look down, you know, at the depth chart, like so, yeah,
that guy made a play yesterday. That guy made a play. Yep,
he made a tackle. Yeah you know he he had

(28:46):
he had a big catch. So that's coaching to me,
and they they deserve one hundred percent credit here, all right, Joe.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
It was funny after, you know, I was coming up
with my takeaways, you know from a twenty six fourteen win,
and I felt I felt like I had more negative
stuff than I did have positive for a win, which
is kind of funny, and but I think that kind
of shows you the spot where this team is at
this point, where yeah, they're finding ways to win games
that they probably you know, didn't in the past, and
they're not doing it at one hundred percent, which has

(29:17):
to if you're a Bears fan. And Ben Johnson and
Caleb talked about this after the game. You have to
be encouraged that you're winning games when you're not even
playing close to one hundred percent perfect game by any means. So, Joe,
what was one of your first losers from from Sunday?

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Well, Caleb, I mean, horrible first quarter. I mean that
was I initially wrote, you know he needed a mulligan. Well,
he needed a mulligan for the whole game. I just
thought it never got really better. Now. The good thing
is he's not turning the ball over stuff. He had
the one interception, but that's that's a second this year.
I think, you know Spencer Ratler, I mean he turned

(29:55):
them all over. I mean that's the difference. So but
Caleb was, man, Michael, you know, I know we want
him to be the next thing. We want him to
be the best quarterback in the history of the franchise,
and we want it to happen now. And I have
to remind myself too, because I'm I'm impatient. I mean,
I want it to happen now. I want to see
it now. And yesterday that was a dud by him.

(30:18):
But here they win by twelve points. Still, they went
by twelve points and the quarterback was I'm just gonna
say he was bad. And we're still getting nothing out
of this draft class that you know, that's another story too.
But Caleb off holding the ball, I thought it in
some of those places, you know, just just take off
and get ten or twelve yards like he's capable of doing,
and that keeps strivesgoing. But he just looked like he

(30:41):
was thinking too much. And I keep thinking. Again, I'm
not a coach, I'm not an analyst, but sometimes it
seems like when he's just like not thinking because you know,
I'm one of those guys too, like, but I think
too much. I really started hurting myself just getting a
rhythm and go like we see like when they're in
like a desperation mode, like in the fourth quarter of games,

(31:02):
like he's got that. Man, It's like go, go, go,
and he's in a rhythm and he's throwing babies and
he's got and yes to night he was just like
I just saw like a bunch of like numbers going
like like a little bubble over his head like did
di di di di did, like a computer like stop stop,
just hit the guy, make it easy and channeling your

(31:22):
little inner tyson, bage in just a little bit and
get the ball out and go. But I mean his
numbers yesterday fifteen to twenty six. One's seventy two and
like You'm thinking, Joe, stop complaining. They won a football
game by twelve, by twelve points. But that was was
that his worst game of the year the Vikings. The

(31:43):
second half that was bad. But he was okay in
the first half. But I thought, for a I didn't
think he had a good quarter yesterday.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, you know, part of I led my takeaways with,
you know, talking about Caleb saying that, you know, Ben
Johnson for the offseason said, you know, the growth isn't
going to be linear like that. That's just what it's
going to be. It's not going to be every single week.
Caleb is getting better. They're gonna be ups and they're
gonna be downs, and yesterday was a down. Yesterday just
wasn't I don't know what it was, you know, uh,

(32:12):
you know Rick brings up the point, you know, him
being inaccurate on the move as odd. He did so
good in that last year, even he said that after
like yet yesterday, like I'm usually good on the move
and he missed a bunch of guys on the move.
I don't know, it just it just felt like one
of those days where it's just, uh, it wasn't clicking.
And you know sometimes that happens in the NFL. You

(32:34):
know that happens to a lot of great players, like
and I know I think the most encouraging part of them.
Not to put a positive spin on it, if I
don't need to, but you won a game with your
quarterback putting a bad having not his best game, right,
Like you found a way to win, not yet in
spite of him, but like he just didn't have a
good game. The decision making wasn't great. There are a

(32:56):
lot of scrambles sometimes where he just kept the bait
play alive and I I felt like he should have
just got went out of bounce. He could have picked
up a yard or two instead of just like running
around and risking injury and you know, and throwing the
ball around. Like I really felt like he reverted to
his rookie season yet yesterday, which which that's going to

(33:17):
happen sometimes when you're just like when you when you're
trying to develop and you're trying to get out of
your bad habits, it doesn't mean that your bad habits
go away all of a sudden and you know, you
just move on. So, yeah, I agree with you. I
think Caleb could have had a better performance yesterday. It
wasn't working. He didn't have a touchdown pass. The QBR

(33:37):
was bad. What was the QBR it was? It was
sixty one point seven? It was sixty one point seven.
It is kind of crazy that Spencer Rattler, who looked
terrible yesterday at times, ended up with a higher you know,
QBR and than Caleb did. But yeah, I agree with you.

(33:57):
It just wasn't a good day for him yesterday. It
wasn't clicking for him. He admitted it. He took full
ownership after the game. I don't think he was even
asked about it. He pretty much said, like I think
the question was about the running attack or something like that,
and he brought up, like what we did all this
despite me having a bad game, Like he like, no
one asked him if he had a bad game, no
one said anything, and he just brought it up himself

(34:19):
and he said, I had a bad game, like this
wasn't good. And I think that's you have to be
encouraged by that, right Like now he said all the
right stuff, and he did all the right like he
did all that stuff after the game, and I think
you have to be he said, it's looking at the tape,
working on the footwork, looking at working in his vision,
all the stuff that we've kind of heard about earlier
this year. But yeah, I do think that progress is

(34:44):
in linear sometimes and you saw that yesterday.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, people keep pointing to I know Jared Goff's first
season under Ben Johnson was it was not bad. It
was just kind of mediocre. So maybe that'll be the
case with Caleb. But I don't know, You're right, I
feel guilty, like complaining about the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I don't think you should. It wasn't it wasn't. It
wasn't a perfect game. But like I, like I said earlier,
like I had more negative stuff to say about this
game than they did positive stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, so so that that's good. Again they won, and
you know it'll be it'll get better. I mean, he's
not gonna be Mahomes, you know, next week against the
Ravens necessarily, you know, but yeah, they're there are good
games ahead. But you know, you can't. You know, the
defense is gonna keep getting three or four turnovers every
game either, so at some point that's going to end.

(35:33):
And DeAndre Swift's not gonna run for one hundred yards
every game, but we'll take two in a row. So
let's see the quarterback because you know, just like Mitch
before and justin fields, like the city wants to fall
in love with the quarterback and just be gaga over
the quarterback for a long time. But like you've been,
like you see move Mitch, the first round pick, second overall,

(35:57):
justin you know, top, you know, ten, tenth pick, what whatever,
and then here comes the prize and you know, the
first pick from twenty twenty four, Spencer Rattler was the
one hundred and fiftieth pick, and he was bad. But
I mean, and Alatve is great man. We've talked about it.
Everyone knows Chris A. Love is a great receiver, but
to like him this these weapons with DJ and Colston Lovelin. Hey,

(36:22):
three catches yesterday? More? Please, Luther Burden more, please, Roma
doon Day more please? Well, the quarterback man, it's on you.
Come on, all right, Caleb, all right.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
My first loser was I think the Bears could have
winn by more points like they won by twelve.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
They should have.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
They should have won by more, and that's because of
inefficient play. Again, they converted three of their twelve you know,
third downs on Sunday for twenty five percent success rate.
That's they matched their second lowest that they had at
twenty five percent against when they were three twelve against
the Vikings. The Bears committed ten penalties for ninety two yards. Again,

(37:04):
one of the penalties was what I can't remember whether
it was Cole Commit or someone else, or I think
Colston got card called for another offensive PI on a
nice pass to DeAndre Swift that would have picked up
a first down. It's not good like you're not you're
not gonna beat Baltimore going three for twelve on third down.
You're not gonna beat Philadelphia. Committing ten penalties for eighty

(37:28):
two yards like those. That's just sloppy play. And I
think that sloppy play will let you beat the Saints,
and they'll let you win against you know, maybe teams
that maybe aren't as good as those top teams. But
at four and two right now, you gotta you gotta
set your sights on making the playoffs and on really
focusing on taking advantage of this hot start and building

(37:49):
off of them with what you have in these next
three games. And you know, Baltimore, Cincinnati and Andhn and
the Giants like, they're not gonna be cake walks, but Baltimore,
especially with Lamar Jackson back, is not going to be
any cakewalk. But you can't play inefficiently like this, and
that's part of Kleb. That's mistakes by other guys. The

(38:09):
false starts kind of came back. It felt like a
reversion a little bit yesterday. But you're not gonna win
games like this playing against good teams with inefficient play
like that, So that really needs to get fixed up quickly.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah. No, that would be my other you know negative
I guess from you. The penalties, I mean, yeah, you
stole my fun there there. I mean the ten for
ninety two yards. I mean, come on now, I will
say that the PI on Colston Lovelin, that may have
been one of the worst calls I've seen. I don't
want to sound against the crazy basketball mom in the

(38:42):
stands again, you know, I don't mean to do that,
but boy, the efficient that was one of the worst
calls I've seen in a long time. The two Saints
receivers ran into each other, or the defensive they ran
into each other. I guess that's not reviewable. No wow wow,
and colds to love. When the kid was he was

(39:03):
having a game. He had three catches, Michael, I mean,
break out the you know, the kegs. I mean for
for Colston. But that was a horrible call. But you
can't keep doing this. And look, I mean it's always
a fine line. It's football for crying out loud. You
gotta be aggressive, you got to hit people, and sometimes
you just get you know, a little too much. The

(39:24):
call on Kyler Gordon where they said he was head
to head, I've seen several replays like that. I think
I need to see it on a seventy and screen
and super super slow moll. I don't think even helmet
even hit the receiver's helmet. No, that that one is one.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
That one is a little tough because I get why
the official, like his shoulder did hit his head, so
I get like anything that anything that hits the head,
they're just gonna call flag on it. And that is just.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
But it's and you're used to hitting. I mean it's
easy for these guys, yeah, for sure. But even if
you take away those two, a still too many penalties. No,
like you said, you're not gonna get it. You're not
gonna get away with this when the turnover, when you're
not getting the turnovers also, and the and the the
exchanges with Caleb and Drew Dollman, whatever those are, I

(40:13):
mean to me, those are penalties because that just those
are killers. I mean, you're losing. Those are unforced errors, right,
those are not forced turnovers or forced losses of you know,
of several yards. Those are just on you. And that's sloppy.
And I know you know no game will ever be
perfect by anybody, any player, any team, but that stuff

(40:36):
really needs to stop. I mean, this is not preseason,
this is not second game of the year. We're six
games in already, stop it.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
All right, Joe, who's your second loser? From Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Well, I mean just I mean the discipline. Like I said,
I kind of spilled it there, but just the discipline,
and I know that always comes back on the coaches.
And I don't know, again I said I was done
granting on Caleb. I don't know if that's Kleb with
the fall starts, the cadence all that stuff. But whatever
that is, you can't have it. I mean, you're you're

(41:08):
better off just whipping one into the stands from the
pocket and saying we'll eat it, live, live to you know,
you know, get another down out of it and make
it second to tent or third and ten whatever. But
you can't have the negative plays because again, how they're
they're really a testament to the whole football team that
they're winning, winning ugly so to speak. Here these last

(41:29):
three weeks here been that. But you know, look, you
look around the league every week and few teams are
winning pretty few teams are putting together masterpieces over four quarters.
So it is the NFL, right, But bottom line is,
you look up today, you look at the standings, they're
four and two. They're not in last place eureka in

(41:50):
the NFC North. So you'll take it, all.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Right, Joe, my second loser, And I don't mean to
I'm not going to say that. I'm not calling the
defense a loser or anything like that by any means,
but I do think that there is If there's a
I do think, and this is going to be a
concern for me heading into Baltimore, is when the defense
isn't creating for turnovers in a game. I mean, I

(42:17):
think Spencer Radler showed you that he can defenses can
take advantage of that. I mean, Rattler threw for two
hundred and thirty three yards. He averaged seven yards in attempt.
You know, if it wasn't for those three turnover, those
three interceptions, and I know, if ans and butts and
all that kind of stuff, you know, we can't play
that game. But I think at points still in these

(42:37):
last four games, when the defense has been been playing
incredibly well, when the sack doesn't land, I think there
are sometimes, you know, disruptions and coverage like you saw
that against the Commanders last week when they were able
to take that twelve point lead. Right when they picked
up I forget what it was like a fifty yard
patch shade the Daniels had to to Chris Moore, I

(42:57):
think that needs to get cleaned up. And I don't
know whether that's missing communication. I don't know whether that's
just you know, maybe you know, other offensive guys are
also trying to make plays out there. It's not just
like the defense is bad by any means. But I
do think that would that is going to be something
I'm going to be looking at heading into this matchup
against Baltimore where the secondary does create turnovers, but it

(43:19):
could get picked on a little bit here for big plays.
And I think you saw that on those two drives
that that Spencer Redtler had at the beginning at the
end in the beginning of the halves where he moved
the ball down pretty easily in no time Like I was.
I was like, I just went to go throughout a
plate and go to the bathroom real quick at the

(43:39):
start of the second half, and all of a sudden,
the Saints were already at the Bears twenty, and I
was like, what happened? Like I was gone for like
two minutes. So for how great the defense has been
playing over the past four games, I do think that
that might be a little bit of a weakness that
needs to be short up here, especially get heading into Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, I mean a hundred percent. I mean, and again
we don't want to keep lamenting. Like you know, Jalen
Johnson is not walking through that door anytime soon here,
So uh look, I mean they miss him. He's the
best defensive player. But like Nayshon Wright, he's Nayshon Wright.
The fact that he's made two big plays and he's

(44:19):
basically on pace for almost what at the third way
through the season, he's like on pace for six interceptions.
If you got that on a nay Shon right, I mean,
you know he's a backup. Basically, they have another kid
made attack yesterday. I didn't even know he was on
the team, Jackson, another dB who I think early in
the game he had a pass breakup. I think, I like,
who's he. There's some guys like they're just like tape

(44:42):
taping and duct taping and little hockey tape here and
a little tack here to keep it all together sometimes
with the injuries, and I know every team goes through it.
Uh but I will say this, having TJ Edwards back
makes a difference. You know, TJ is not a Pro
Bowl player, but he's that next level. He's just super reliable,
good tackler. He had the tip on the interception by

(45:04):
Tremaine Edwards late in the game there in the fourth quarter,
so TJ makes a difference. But yeah, and you're still like,
you know, no one on the front line is playing
at even a remotely pro bowl level, you know, And
good to see Montes sweat make you know. He's been
a little better the last two weeks, as we mentioned,

(45:25):
but you know you're not getting much from really anybody else,
and yet here you go, Yeah, you had a dominating
defensive effort other than the end of the first half
the start of the second half there, but that's got
to get cleaned up. But I got I. I can't
believe they're playing this well, especially after what we saw
in Detroit in week two, after that disaster. So but

(45:46):
they're not perfect by any means.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
All Right, Joe, who's your final loser from yesterday?

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Final loser? I think I've already had enough, haven't I?
The final loser? Well, I'm gonna say just Drew Drew
Dolman in general, because that can't that stuff can't. I
don't know what what's going on there the first one
in the first quarter. I'm trying to think now that

(46:11):
that was just a where he's the exchange was bad.
Then the double clutch that saved him the game potentially
in the third quarter there on the goal line where
they would have come up empty on fourth, fourth and
goal from the one, and they got the field goal,
Thank goodness. But Drew, come on, man, I and you know,

(46:34):
I'll say this getting back to the false starts, because
you know, we say it's on Caleb the cadence, but
generally on that wouldn't you see multiple guys jumping, like Caleb,
what are you doing? I mean, you fool four of us.
It's typically just one guy from what I'm recalling here.
I when I see the fall star pedals, it's not
like multiple guys and the bears moving. It's one guy

(46:57):
and and they haven't been pert you know, it has
been all cold Comet or anybody else or or THEO
Bennett or whoever. Uh So I don't know there. But
but Drew Dollman that again, those are those are they're
not turnovers, but but these negative plays, the false starts
that lead to a fumble or or or they Snapman

(47:18):
and it's all discombobulated. That's got to be that that
particular has got to be cleaned up.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah, and he took ownership after the game, but you
know it last week it didn't. You know, last week
you can make the excuse that it was the weather,
like obviously the ball was slippery, but it's been something
that we've noticed during the first six weeks. Like I
get it, the first couple of weeks, you get a
new guy, you guys are still trying to build a rapport,
but you know by week six you would like it
to be more consistent. So yeah, I agree that needs

(47:46):
to get fixed up because like we've been lamenting, like
these mistakes, you can't make these mistakes to get good
against good teams, Like good teams make you pay for
bad mistakes, and you're looking at you're able to kind
of get away with that one. Uh my final loser
was is going to be I agree with you. I
think at this point earlier the rookie class, well Tom,
a young guy, got involved, and I thought that was good.

(48:08):
Colston tried to get involved, Luther didn't really get involved.
But my my thing is going to be the Bears
need to take advantage of turnovers more. You know, they
they scored ten points off of the four turnovers that
they had yesterday, and it's been something that they've struggled with.
I had in my takeaways. You know, they've scored four

(48:28):
touchdowns off of turnovers that they had in the past
four in the season. One was returned for a touchdown.
That was the Nation on right interception. The Bears knocked
in five field goals off takeaways, and then they have
scaled failed to score off of four more opportunities. One
of those was a late game situation where you're just

(48:49):
gonna kneel the ball down and close out the game.
But Ben Johnson talked about this, like the defense is
putting the offense in good spots to score touchdowns and
the offense isn't doing it so far. Like, yeah, they
they got won yesterday, but you're not going to get
four turnovers every single game. You need to take advantage
of when your defense does give you a turnover and

(49:11):
whether it's you know, Naseean Wright returned it into you know,
I had thirty eight yards. Like you need to take
advantage of those opportunities, and they didn't do it at
a consistent level. Yesterday, and they haven't been doing it
at a consistent level during this winning streak at all.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yep, that's a great one because you don't want to
rely on the kicker. I mean, we shouldn't have to
be talking about the importance of Jake Moody going perfect
that field goals yesterday, or kicking the game winn or
the week before, or Cairo Sant was bailing out the
offense against the Raiders when they stunk it up with
great field position. You don't and I know it's part
of the game, you know, but you know, if you

(49:48):
don't want the kicker to decide the game, take advantage
of those opportunities. But they're getting the ball, you know,
inside the fifty or inside the forty or inside the
thirty like a couple of times they've had last few weeks.
That's gotta be six. You got to come away with
six points there and hopefully the pa T goes through
as well. So, h that's a big one because that's

(50:09):
like you're like, you're lucky that that doesn't come back
to bite you. Now. They want four in a row here,
and they've had too many of these situations where again, man,
you're not gonna get the four turnovers so many times
we said it during the podcast alone. You're not gonna
get the three or four turnovers every single game where
you're in prime field position. But when you get them,
you better take advantage of them. And that's again here

(50:31):
I go picking on Caleb. That comes down to your
QB and the offense getting it right. But they got
to get in the end zone and they haven't been
doing it enough consistently. One hundred percent agree with you there.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
All right, we've got to wrap up here. I'm gonna
hit on some fan comments Robin chiming n from across
the pond. Good to hear from me, Robert. This week
is exactly what we needed to somehow get wins under
a belt, buying us time to get the offense to click.
And I think that's a big point where you know
Caleb talked about, you know the offense needs to like
the defense is carrying the load right now, there's going
to be a time when the offense is going to

(51:04):
need to carry the load for the defense throughout the year.
That's just going to happen. At seventeen game win season.
You're not going to keep this defensive rate throughout the year,
So the offense needs to click on that. When will
dom rob flashes bringing us belief that he's actually decent
player or are they just flashes? You know, Joe, I
don't know how you feel about Dominic Robinson. I feel
like he does well for you. I think he gets

(51:24):
in there, he take makes the most of his opportunities,
and I think you have to be really encouraged by
what he's developed as a as a piece. So he's
a depth piece who's going to be able to get
a couple of snaps in the game and make the
most of it and give you know, Monteste suet Dio Dingbo,
those guys breathers.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah, no, I think I mean Dominic Robinson. I barely
knew he was on the roster last year. I don't
know if he was still on the team coming into camp.
But he's made some plays. He had a nice it
wasn't a sack, but he was a tackle for loss
on Rattler. I thought it was a big play where
he had him one on one, and you know, Rattler's
pretty good athlete, and he he didn't he couldn't escape
the grasp of Dominique Robinson. So I thought for the

(52:06):
little times he's played, he's made a couple other plays
this year, and I think he's shown he can play
in the league because going into this year, well we
knew he didn't have a roster spot guaranteed. We thought
he might be one of the last cuts. I thought anyway,
but the little I don't think he's gonn ever be
a guy in the league. But you know, he made

(52:28):
a play yesterday and he's made a couple more this
season as well.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Uh. CJ chiming in, I'm in a place where the
draft class doesn't matter. Coaching is showing that this team
wasn't as bad as their record was. Yeah, I mean,
when you have three top you know, two round guys,
I feel like you would like to see a little
bit more. But I agree, I think you're giving them
a little bit time to develop a little bit here.

(52:54):
And uh, I think that's a big, a big point
of emphasis. CJ also saying this year is win with Caleb.
Hopefully we get to cause of moving forward. Rick chiming
in comment is having a bad beer year. Enough of
him already. Rick also chiming in before Stevens an update, Yeah,

(53:16):
Tyrek Stevens had left the game with the shoulder injury.
He was doubtful to return. I didn't see him in
the locker room after the game. I'm sure Ben will
give us an update. Who's he set set to meet
with us up at Hall House Hall at three pm.
But yeah, we'll get more of an update from him
because you need Tyreek was making a lot of plays

(53:37):
pass disruptions up there, so you you need him to
be out there, especially if Jalen is well. We we
don't have a Jalen update. I assume that if he
does come back, it wouldn't be until December at the earliest.
That's just my gut feeling. But you need Tyrek Stevenson
out there. And we're gonna end on Roberts question. Any

(53:58):
trades coming before the deadline? What are Weakness's corner? Trade
deadline is on November fourth, so is that'll be two
weeks from today, Joe. I don't know how you feel
about the trade deadline. Where I feel like my philosophy
is kind of if you're a team that is going
to win a Super Bowl or contend for a Super Bowl,
I think you take advantage of the trade deadline and

(54:19):
sometimes things happen where you know, you kind of get
like a Montes Sweat situation where a team's about to
blow it up and maybe you're willing to trade something
for a guy that you're willing to sign moving forward.
I haven't looked at too much at the to six
and one to five teams so far to see who
you could potentially pick up that would fit that category.
But I'm kind of of the mindset where the Bears

(54:41):
are kind of in a they're not super Bowl contenders
this year, and at at least at this point, even
at a four and two start, based on what you've
seen in the last three games, I don't think that
they are a super Bowl contender. But so I don't
know if it's worth giving up draft capital unless it
is like a sixth round pick or a seventh round pick.
But even those those have been shown to be right pollses.
You know, Wheelhouse like he really hits on those, so

(55:03):
maybe you don't want to trade those away. But I
don't know if I'm a guy who's going to be
trading away draft picks when you're not contending for Super
Bowl for whether it's a rental or even a guy
for the next two years.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
You know, it depends on who the player is, right
and what you're getting out. Like to me, I if
they would have had like they could let's say they
could have had Micah Parsons before the season when they well.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
That's a very different conversation.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
But I think, but would you be willing to give up? Yeah? Sure,
you know I wouldn't say yes because Micah you saw
yesterday again, he's a difference maker. Trey Hendrickson. What's going
to be the price because he's a difference maker. Now
Trey's older, I mean, Trady, I think it's thirty one,
thirty two, he's out right, So when he cost you

(55:55):
a first rounder, I wouldn't do that. But you know
he probably wants money too, I know. But you know
you still got your your rookie, you your quarterback on
his rookie contract. So this is the time for the
Bears to pour money into it. I don't know who.
I mean, you'd be paying a lot of money to
to defensive ends here, but I might. I mean, I look,

(56:18):
Ryan Pole hasn't proved, doesn't know really what out of
draft that well anyway, So if you're giving up a
second rounder, I mean, look, look at these second rounders
I've gotten this year, uh, and the and the and
we can go down that. I don't want to go
down that rabbit hole again with the draft picks by
by Ryan Poles. But I think if it's a different
like Trey Hendrickson immediately makes his defense better, you know

(56:38):
you're not gonna have to rely because that immediately improves
the passion if you can, if you can snag him
for I don't know, a second rounder and a fourth again,
I don't know at the price, and you gotta pay him,
but I would do it. I would do it. Could
they win, I mean, you've got to start thinking, like
I mean, I agree, they're not a Super Bowl contending
team this year, but you know you want to start

(56:59):
knocking off the Lions and the Packers because you know
we've still got three games with those teams left. This
is a difference maker all of a sudden, Trey hendricks
you know, we'll we'll we'll match your Micah Parsons and
Aiden Hutchinson's with Trey Hendrickson because Montes Swets is not
gonna be that guy. Hopefully he gets to eight or
nine sacks on the year, but he's he's not Trey Hendrickson.

(57:20):
He's not Mike, he's not Aiden Hutchinson. You know, he's
not the Burns Brian Bryan Burns in New York is
having a great year. So I don't know, I feel
a little differently Michael. But again it always depends, like
like like any player any any league, you know, Baseball, hockey, basketball, whatever,
what's the price and how much we got to pay.

(57:40):
But certain guys would intrigue me. But I don't think
they need like to go find a running back or
find another cornerback that can get on the cheap. But
if it's a if it's a game changer, I think
you gotta consider because they're they're not a contender, but
they can be, they can be on the way. And
I think if you got Trey Hendrick you could still

(58:00):
get him for you know, I don't think he's got
one more year left in him. I think he's still
got at least two three more productive seasons left in him.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah, I would just be a chance. Great, you're not
trading for him without giving him a new contract, and
he probably wants a lot of money. Yeah, And I
don't know if I'm what is he thirty one, thirty two.
Not that you can't be a high performer at thirty
one or thirty two, but you've invested so much money
already on this defensive line and you've gotten these type
of performances. I don't know if adding more money to

(58:27):
an eight to an older guy in this league, I
don't know. If I'm Ryan Pulls, I'd be a little
bit itchy and scratchy about it, and I would try
to develop Austin Booker and Shamart Turner, and you know,
maybe Schamar becomes more of that edge rusher that you
can kind of you. I mean, you saw him perform
well in that role a little bit. He was able
to kind of get after guys. But yeah, I think,

(58:50):
listen to you add a secondary depth piece maybe, I mean,
I just don't I think you have the the secondary
is there, right like? I think you got. I mean,
you've been able to play pretty well with what you have,
right Like. It hasn't been a healthy group, but yeah,
the trade deadline will be in two weeks from tomorrow.
We'll obviously talk more a little bit more about it,

(59:10):
probably next week when we're getting closer to it, but
that's definitely something to keep an eye on as we
head into the final two weeks before that. All right,
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(59:52):
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