Reviewing the Chicago Bears' Week 8 loss to the Ravens

The Chicago Bears ended their four-game winning streak with a 30-16 loss to the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday afternoon. Shaw Local's Michal Dwojak and Joe Aguilar break down what happened and what's next.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to the Shaw Local Bears Insider Podcast.
I am Chicago Bears b report of Michael Duojiack here
with the Northwest hero Joe Aguilar. As. We are talking
to you on Monday afternoon, a little Monday lunchtime stream
for you guys, a little a little different time just
because of the travel and all that sort of stuff.

(00:21):
But we're happy to see you guys, and we're happy
to be talking to you folks here on a beautiful
fall day. Bears lose thirty to sixteen on Sunday, Bears
and their four game winning streak. Ravens come back after
one and five start to the season and come and
find different ways to win. Joe, it was, you know

(00:43):
obviously with the Holdamar Jackson saga, the injury saga, and
we'll obviously break all that stuff down as we kind
of break down this matchup. But you know, for me,
you know, coming home and you know, thinking about it,
it just really felt like, you know, a wasted opportunity.
It really felt like it a moment that the Bears
really had a good chance to capitalize and they just

(01:04):
made too many mistakes to capitalize on a good opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, I mean, you lost to Tyler Huntley. You lost
to Tyler Huntley. I mean it's a totally I think
both you and I felt going in it kind of
felt like a loss. You know, they probably get Lamar back,
maybe he'd be you know, at seventy five percent or whatever.
Then he's not playing. And now you figure, now you
got to this one's basically being handed to you. You know,
you you win the two close games, you beat a

(01:31):
bad Saints team, and now you should beat a bad
Ravens team and you don't. And you know where it starts.
Starts with the quarterback. He was he was bad again.
But you know, it's been twenty hours or so since
the loss. I've you know, I need the calming down part.
Like I wouldn't be good like going to the podium
right after a game like this. I'd probably say some

(01:51):
stupid I say things stupid any even after. It was
the fool day to think about it. But so I've
calmed down a little bit. But certainly was a tough one.
But again, I going into season, you looked at this
one as a loss for me. There are bigger questions
for the Beers going forward, even had they squeaked this
one out, but we can get out get to all

(02:12):
that now or at some point this season.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, I thought, you know, I would have been fine
with a game where you know you're not gonna win
every game, like this team is far from perfect. That's
life in the NFL, right, like a week to week game.
But that game felt like it was there, like you
a lot of missed opportunities and we'll make our break
it down with our you know, our wins and losses.
But it was a very interesting, uh, very interesting matchup.

(02:39):
And I feel like you have a lot of questions
here now eight weeks into the season. Some of them
we obviously had during training camp, and you know, some
of them we're still having now. If you're joining us
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(03:02):
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hear from you, folks and love to talk to you.
But Joe, let's you know, I don't know if this

(03:23):
will be a winner or a loss, and maybe it will,
but let's just I guess, let's get things. Let's get
started with things here, because I do think all the
stuff I want to address will talk about and wins
the losses. So obviously it's a loss. Three to sixteen.
Bears are now four and three on the season. Joe,
what you know, what is your biggest loss to start
things off after Sunday?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
The quarterback? You know it was. And this is tough
because you know all the knee jerk reaction immediately after
the game, even during the game. Maybe it's like it's
Tyson Beaijing time. Here we go. My gosh, the backup
quarter is once again the most popular quarterback in Chicago,
So here we go again. But you know, when you

(04:06):
take a step back, you know, Caleb's got to be
the guy. And this season we can't lose focus of
this this season, not this past game or the week
before or next week in Cincinnati. This season is all
about the quarterback and do we have the guy? And
I think even as frustrating as that was yesterday, as

(04:27):
frustrating as it was last week against the Saints, I'm
not ready. We shouldn't be ready to say that's it,
bringing Tyson Bajen or give Case Keenan a start. But
I do wonder, you know, look, Kyla Schwarberg got sent down.
I mean, there are stories all over every league about
guys who got to take a step back, and I
don't think Ben Johnson is there yet. I do wonder

(04:48):
those do you need to maybe send him to the
bench temporarily. You know it's worked before with quarterbacks. It
hasn't worked with quarterbacks in the past. You can lose
a guy. Boy, this is unacceptable. Here eight weeks through
counting the bye week, right, so he was not good

(05:08):
too much of the same stuff we've seen. The difference
now with him the last couple of weeks is he's
turning the ball over not a lot. One interception was
a big one, even at the end of the game,
Like the Ravens are basically going to give you a touchdown,
you know the game was over. They still can't even
get that right. And the ineptitude not only in the
red zone when you get the ball on the opponent's

(05:30):
side of the field, that hasn't got well. Happened again
yesterday after the big kickoff return by Devyn Duverde, after
I think it was Baltimore went ahead, right, you got
a chance to get back right back in. It didn't happen.
Couldn't even get a first down. So there's a lot
going on there. We could probably talk about Kleb for
the next hour, but we won't. Ye.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, you know, heading into this game, I had the mindset,
you know, thinking that Lamar is going to play. But
even if Lamar is not going to play that this
felt like a game where the offense needed to take
home right like you like. For I feel like over
the past four weeks during this winning streak, like the
defense was bailing out the offense. Like obviously, yes, the
offense put together game winning drives at the end of

(06:11):
the game, but they were forcing turnovers at an incredible clip, right, Like,
they had at least four turnovers in the last four
game at three of the last four games and at
least three turnovers in all four of the games, and
you know, without Kyler Gordon and we'll get back to
that later and Tyreek Stevenson and all that sort of stuff.
Like this felt like a game where you're like, all right, defense,

(06:34):
like you're depleted. You've been kind of carrying us over
the past four weeks, Like we got you are the
running attackers going you're going against you know, yes, I
know the Bravens defense is getting back a lot of
talented players, all pro players, but they're still kind of
trying to get back into the swing of things after
missing a couple of games with injury, like Rocon Smith
was coming back from a little delay there. So it

(06:55):
really felt like an opportunity for Caleb and the offense
to be like all right, like we've got this one,
Like we're gonna take over this game, and we're gonna
put the you know, we're gonna put the defense and
the special teams on our back and we're gonna carry it.
And you just didn't see it, Like you go to
the red zone on your opening drive, fall start on
third down. I know the Bears picked up a first
down after that, but then you get a couple of

(07:16):
negative runs and field goal. Another great drive goes down
the field, you get to the twenty two, it's another
field goal, Like that's a that's a you know, that's
a difference of fourteen nothing to six nothing, and that
that just kind of told me like how the game
was gonna go. I feel like whether you know, I
don't think you can make any grand proclamations about Caleb

(07:38):
after this week, but I think you could start to ask, like,
is there a accuracy issue? Is there a communication issue
because he's missing guys on third down? He's missing guys
like that interception in the fourth quarter, Like him and
Ben Johnson had two different answers for that, Like he
thought that, but Caleb thought that, you know, that was good,

(08:00):
that Rome was going to keep going and then he
kind of didn't stop and that kind of led to
whatever that and then obviously Wiggins undercut the pass and
that's what led to the interception. And when when Ben
Johnson was asked about it, he just said that Caleb
had other options, and that other option when you watch
it as a wide open Columan young guy, So you know,
I understand, I don't you know, I don't I don't

(08:21):
fully put this loss on Caleb, like I don't. I
don't know what the answer is because I am hearing
a lot of people talk about, like, do you bench Caleb,
do you like give him a Bryce Young situation of
what happened last year. But I do think people need
to remember from last year that Bryce Young only went
back in because Andy Dalton hurt his hand and like
a weird car accident, so maybe it was a happy accident.

(08:41):
Not even I haven't looked at Bryce's numbers so far
this year, but I don't think they're like anything special
by any means. So yeah, I think the big disappointment
is just like you really wanted you wanted this to
be a game where you win because of your quarterback,
and you didn't get that. You even like in the
when you're chasing fourteen, and you got kind of like
a clown car situation at the end of the game,

(09:03):
like you miss a wide open DJ Moore, like Ben
took accountability for the quarterback sneak. But it's like, I like,
at that point you kind of have to rely on
your quarterback right to take over in that sort of stuff.
So there are too many mistakes. I mean, two intentional groundings.
You know that final drive in the first half where
he has an intentional grounding, he doesn't run out of bounce.
He picks up a good chunk of yards but doesn't

(09:24):
run out out of bounds like that costs you two
timeouts and you could have created a better situation. I agree.
I can go on and on, but this just it
just felt like a game where you needed the offense
to step up and it didn't. Like it doesn't seem
like DeAndre Swift is healthy, so that's a little bit
of a concern too, and you just never got a

(09:45):
response from the offense and the defense finally just fell through.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, and the other thing too, with the interception in
the fourth quarter. I mean, you know, there's still deep
in their own territory. There's no guarantee they're gonna go
down and get the touchdown anyway. But you know, talking
about the interception, everyone's writing about the interception, but it
all gets magnified because you can't get the dang ball
in the end zone. There's too bad. There's been already
too many Jake Moody multiple field goal games, Cairo Santo's

(10:13):
multiple field goal games. You can't have it the first
drive of the game, Michael, to me set the tone
of the game. They drive on, they look good, Kilebooks,
Cris Boom boom, he's hitting Roam, hits Ron. They go
right down and then they get what happens. They get
to the eight yard line or five yard line, whatever
it was. False start number eighty four is that Loveland's number? Yeah,
false start. They have to kick a field goal and

(10:34):
they can't get in the end zone. I cannot believe
this is I don't I thought we were done talking
about last year the last couple of years, but it
looks like last year again where they they just kind
of get like during a headlights once they get inside
the ten yard line, and now you have all the weapons.
You got the big tight end. I know Comet didn't
play yesterday, but you know you got the Loveland, You've

(10:57):
got the other weapons, swift, you can't get the ball
in the end zone, a team like, oh here we go.
Then you know they get another field goal. Again they
couldn't take advantage of a good field position, and you
know they couldn't finish it, and it's only six to nothing,
and then you know it's one play and then the
Baltimore put together a long drive and Derrick Henry, kudos
to him, passed Walter Pate. I didn't like seeing that,

(11:19):
but you know that was gonna happen with career touchdowns
to move up the ladder. Emmit Smith, by the way,
you see that he's like got such a huge leaf
all time touchdown. Uh need for for Russian's crazy. But anyway,
so it was just more of that. It was more
not getting into the end zone. Saddening for a field
goal where you knew, even against a depleted Baltimore team

(11:40):
or at least at the quarterback position, that it was
going to come back and bite. Yet and by the
third quarter it had.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, and I you know, I know this will kind
of lead me into my into my first h you know,
loser or whatever. But I didn't love the play calling.
I thought that the I thought that the play calling
was perfect at the beginning of the game. You got
Caleb into play action, like the first play was perfect,
Like you got him in the play action his coast
in Loveland gets the first down. I thought that that

(12:08):
was And you know, obviously I don't need to state
the obvious here. Obviously no script games starred with scripted
plays obviously, and that's obviously going to go much better,
you know, than you know in the second or third
quarter when you're trying to get things in the mid game.
You're going off of you know, momentum and all that
sort of stuff. But I didn't love the play calling.
And I don't know whether that's Caleb, but I don't
know whether that's you know, Ben Johnson. But you know,

(12:30):
the Bears kind of went away from what they were
doing well, and that's running the ball. And I understand that,
you know, DeAndre Swift might be injured here, but kam
anung guy. When you were giving him opportunities, he was
picking up some good yards. He was giving your team momentum.
And you know, I know he had you know, only
twenty four yards on seven carries. But I I you know,
you didn't go after Coaston Loveland. I really expected this

(12:51):
to be the Coast and Loveland game. Obviously, that's why
I picked him. And you know, you start off the
great game great, and you get Colston involved with a
big pass, but then Colston, this is the game with
five targets and three passes on thirty eight yards. And again,
like I said, I don't know whether that's the play calling.
I don't know whether Caleb is just focused in on
Rome too much and isn't looking at his other receivers,

(13:13):
like we're not in the in the coaching meetings by
any means. But I do think that it's been really
interesting just to kind of see what the second and
third quarter looks like after Caleb gets away from the
opening script, and it hasn't looked good. And again, whether
you know, I think Ben Johnson is taking a lot
of credit a lot of time saying my play calling
could have been better. I could have done a better

(13:34):
job in the situation. So I don't know if he's
just trying to protect his quarterback or whether he truly
believes that I have not. You know, I think Ben
is pretty honest with us, so I don't think he's
just saying that to say that. But the play calling
in some of the moments, I was just kind of like,
man like. It seemed like this was working on the
first two drives, and I don't know why they kind
of went went away from it when they did get

(13:55):
the opportunity to get the ball in the second and
third quarters.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I didn't see the higher postgame press conference with Ben Johnson.
But what I did here, to me, he looked like
he didn't have any answers and he looked frustrated, And
that was I don't want to see that from my leader.
You know, Joe Madden he did a lot of things wrong.
He always cost the cup to Daying World Series in
twenty sixteen, but Joe was so good after a game.
It'd be a bad loss and you're you're ticked off

(14:20):
as a fan, and Madden had a way of just like, hey,
it's okay, it's okay, this happens. We're good. I didn't
get that vibe from Ben Johnson yesterday.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I could be wrong.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
You were there for the whole thing, but I didn't
get that, and that was I didn't like that because
I think he knows he didn't do a good he
didn't have a good game, you know. And then when
they talked about the penalties again, we'll get to that,
I guess at some point, but he kind of said,
he goes, well, I'm gonna turn over to my leaders. Well,
you're the leader. Don't don't go to DJ Moore, Joe

(14:51):
Toney or Kevin Byer. You you and maybe they got
to do some things down offense, because that's what it
takes to strengthen your penalties per game to single digits.
Like five maybe okay, but again, wasn't eleven yesterday after
nine the previous week. We're almost half We're almost halfway
through the dang season and this is still happening. So

(15:15):
and again it's spread out. I mean, even God blessed
Joe Toney. The guy's probably headed to the Hall of Fame,
and I stink rubbed off on him. Yesterday he commits
a false start inside the five yard line.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
I mean, I did look at the replay at that.
Though I agree with jj Watt. I don't know if
that was the false I didn't see anything. I don't
know if he'd like made a twitch or something like that.
But I that felt like one of those situations where
maybe I agreed with JJ Watt, where is like the
defenders were playing it too much when they were just like,
all right, we're gonna call the flag because.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Of this, and the Ravens players did sell that well.
I mean, you can't be fooled by that. But you know,
sometimes refs, even at this level, are but.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Well we've seen that. Yeah, for sure, right.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Uh but Joe Toty, come on, leave him on of it.
He's not the only thing that's consistently good on that
offensive line. But yeah, I mean Ben's got all this,
you know, dumb it down if you have to. Because again,
those turnovers and we know this, every football fan knows this,
they kill you. They're a shot to the you know

(16:16):
where after a while, especially with this offense still like
and Caleb just he looks like I've mentioned this before,
it looks like he's thinking too much. That's not good,
even if you're a cerebal person, that's just not good.
Like even in the fourth quarter. I know his garbage time,
but they're moving the ball, but he's just more And
we saw that even last year at times when when

(16:38):
they're chasing a deficit in the fourth quarter, there's still
they still got a chance to win the game or
tie the game. He just looked like he was being Caleb.
And I know they're trying to structure him in work
from the pocket, but boy, he just might it might
be information overloaded at this point. And that's why again
I'm not totally against it. I don't want to go

(17:00):
you know, the guy's a bust start Tyson baging, but
maybe just take a step back with him. I don't know,
because you got to start trying, and if you know,
try it for one game doesn't work. So we tried.
It didn't work. You know, he came back and then
he was still bad or he still wasn't good enough.
But we do have to remind it, I mean, because
it's the problem is like we see what Jayden Daniels

(17:21):
did last year, we see what Drake may is doing
this year, and you see like, well he should be
able to rating step in right away. Maybe it will
take time because there is a long history of quarterbacks
in this league. Some of them are still playing who
are thriving. We know the name that Josh Allen's the
Baker Mayfield. There are others who do figure it out. Uh,

(17:41):
just not right away.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, I mean I'm not ready to obviously. I don't
think you're suggesting either that you're raid or right off
Caleb or anything like. No, no, but I understand the frustrations.
And you know, for my next I'll jump you on this.
And you know you mentioned this for next loser. And
this can be coaching, this can be whatever. But eleven
penalties in Week eight is just inexcusable at this point,

(18:07):
and it wasn't you know, for the first time, I'm
writing my an now bear Down, you know, nerd up
analysis for Tuesday, and I just got to the to
the penalties part. So I don't have the numbers right
in front of me right now, but from what I remember,
I think the numbers are pretty like pretty equal like
it used to be. I feel like in the past
few weeks it's been like X amount of fall starts,

(18:30):
X amount of like offensive penalties. But yesterday, I mean
all the penalties. Like you have a you've got to
you know, the Coast and Loveland falls start. You have
two intentional groundings on the quarterback. You've got to pass
interference on Nick McCleod when Jermaine Edmonds has a sack.
You have illegal formation on a punt that would have
had the Ravens down to like the one or two

(18:52):
yard line because you can't line up on the right way.
It's just this is just like, you know, I did
want to talk about this because I you know, after
a while, like an undisciplined team is an undisciplined team, right,
and that eventually goes to the coaching staff. And that's
why I thought it was really interesting when Ben did
say after the game, like the coaches have like said

(19:12):
it throughout they've done everything. He basically like said, like
they did everything they can. It's up to the leaders
now to kind of, you know, hold players accountable, which
I thought was interesting because I feel like Ben has
taken full accountability for, you know, everything that we've asked
him about this year, and at this point it kind
of seems like, I don't know if you agree with

(19:34):
this joke, but at some point for me, it just
kind of feels like it is kind of on the
players just to kind of be like, hey, like I'm
you know, you're not doing this the way it should
be doing. Like coaches are worrying about skiing, coaches are
worrying about making sure they get X amount of plays
and so they can be ready as possible. Like there's
only so many times that Ben Johnson can throw off

(19:54):
the offense on the field because it's not ready, right,
Like at some point like has to come down to
the to the DJ more Is, to the Caleb Williams,
to the Kevin Bayern's, to the you know, Grady Jarretts
and tremade Edmonds. And I know it was an exhaustive
every week we kept asking players, what do you need
to do? It's on us, we need leadership, all this
stuff that we hated from last season. But I did

(20:16):
think it was interesting just for Ben to be like, hey, like,
we coaches have done everything we can do. He basically
put it on the players. And I'm really interested to see,
you know, not only what you thought about that, but
also just like what is the response from the players
this week, because he's basically, you know, in week two
he called them out that they're not practicing hard enough,
and now this week he's calling them out being like, there,
we need the leaders to kind of, you know, hold

(20:38):
us accountable here.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, I mean, you know, pardon it. To me, sounds
like a guy who's just like desperate for an answer here, like, well,
you know what, we've done everything we could, so now
it's up to you guys, So go have a closed
door meeting and air it out and figure it out yourself,
because we're done here. Some of the pre snap we're
seeing this little too often. Not that they lost the
game because of that that punt, but that was atrocious

(21:03):
how are you lined up? Who did it have with
theo benettt to on a call? Was the Washington game
where it's the ball hasn't even been like this is
like every guy on the street can do this part.
Then the whistleblow you can get your ear. You know
you you would die because you would get killed on
the field. But so that should be the easy part

(21:23):
getting lined up properly. And when we still see guys
doing that, if the coach is telling you like I was, like,
it's sadly with like any job, it's like either incompetence
or oh it's the way I said all the time
that I can't incompetence or when you're just not paying
attention to the rule, you're not what's the word Joseph

(21:46):
Live broadcast when you're being and I'll think of it
two minutes after all right, I got back.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, I don't know where you're going with.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
It's another I N word. If you if you if
you're defiant, that's not the word I'm looking for. But
if you can't figure it out, you sit. You know,
if a guys can't get lined up properly after you've
talked about it all week and then again, this is
something that takes no skill. This is not a skill thing.
You don't have to be big and strong and athletic.

(22:17):
If you can't get lined up properly, then you're sitting.
And I know they're you know, they've got ten guys
on the injury report every day week. But at some
point the coaches that say, you're sitting and I know
you're good at football, but you're sitting because you've got
to be disciplined.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, I just I I get that, But like, are
you really going to bench like, for example, Coast of
Loveland or Roma Dunes? And I'm not saying that those
are the guys who are who.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Are you at those positions?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Right? I mean, do you Luther Burden has heard and
a lot of the days heard too. I mean, I
you know, I think that mentality works for high school.
I think that mentality works for college. These are grown
These are grown men being paid eight millions of dollars. Like,
I don't think the benching works, And honestly, I don't
think that helps your team at this point, Like, I
don't think it hurt helps your team by taking away

(23:06):
your playmakers. And at some point it comes down like
That's kind of why I kind of understand where Ben
is getting at, where at the end of the day,
like it comes down to the players to executing and
being responsible for what they want to do, and you know,
maybe that that leads to some tough offseason decisions, right,
like maybe the Bears have to trade someone or have
to cut someone because they're like, listen, we just don't

(23:29):
need this in our locker room, like where these are
the expectations, you're not meaning those expectations. We think you're
a very talented player, but it's just not gonna work here.
And you know, I'm not I'm not going to say
any names, obviously, because I don't know any names and
I don't want to like insinuate something. But it's just
one of those situations where these are grown men playing

(23:49):
a sport for millions of dollars and if you can't
get yourself prepared at that point, I can understand why
Ben Johnson would be frustrated and why he would put
it on the players to be like, hey, like, you
guys got to figure this out. We can only do
so much, like they can't go out there on the
field and play like eventually it does come down to
the players. So that was a very interesting comment to

(24:11):
you know. And we'll hear from Ben and a couple
of players this week, and I'm interested to hear what
their response is going to be to that challenge. All right, Joe,
what is your I skipped you here in the line.
What's your second second loser?

Speaker 2 (24:22):
By the way, insubordinate. That's the word I came up
with five minutes ago. Insubordinate. You're either or insubordinate insubordinate,
like screw it, I'm doing what I want to do.
Well then you and I know they're men. I know
they're getting paid millions of dollars, but they are boys.
We're all boys. We're boys.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
I don't know if I agree with that mentality. But well,
and Rick is trying to help you here.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
He went with a nept enough too, would be like incompetent,
but insubordinate. But I don't know what they do. I
think gigs part more of a cadence thing. And maybe
there's too much, too much pre snap movement, because that
seems the one consistent you know, and Ben is so cerebral,
and you know he's the you know, they didn't didn't

(25:12):
did all the computer and all he's got all these
things that he wants to do, and the trick plays
and so much more. But just just line up, snap
the ball and hand it off, or take your your
few steps back whatever and your six eh step back
and throw the dang ball. But anyway, my second losers,
that we're at second loser. You thought you probably thought

(25:34):
I was gonna say Cairo Santos for coming up short
on a fifty goal, but I'm not gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I will here before we do. I don't want to
spend too much time on this because I I really
I forget who it was. Maybe it was CJ last
week who said kickers are people too. I'm not saying
that they're not people, but I I feel like the Cairo.
I'm so tired of the Cairo conversation. I think we
all know that Cairo is probably good up until fifth.
Five fifty seven was going to be tough for him.

(26:03):
It was accurate. It was just a couple of yards short,
and honestly, I thought it was impressive considering it was
like a hurric like what they call a hurricane drill,
where you run the kicker onto the field with a
few seconds left to get the kickoff because you can't
stop because your quarterback doesn't run out of bounce and
also has intentional grounding and doesn't help your team. But yeah,
I didn't think it was that. But I am a

(26:24):
little surprised that you decided that Kyra was not on
your loser list because I definitely would have guaranteed that
he would be on your loser list. But who is
actually on your loser list?

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Joe? Well, you know what, if it would have been
a truthfully a two point game or a three point game,
four point game at the end, I would have said,
you know, you look back and they could have executed
that a lot better than they did. That's again, we're
not gonna spend any more time on it. But I
can't go there because he did make his other shorties,
and you know, you miss those two that'll get you
out of the league. Pretty quickly, asked Jake Mouy. So

(26:54):
my other loser, I'm going to go with the defensive front.
The lack of pass rush here. I'm just not seeing it.
I will say this, you know what, you know, Montage
Sweat is the easy whipping boy here. But you know
he had another sack yesterday. It wasn't for ten yards
or anything, but another sack. Has four games in a
row now where he's made a play, it's either a
sack or a force fumble. So at Montage at least

(27:16):
when he gets an opportunity to go one on one
or or get some space. You do see that the frame,
the athleticism. But the other guys I'm not noticing. It
was good to get Grady Jarrett back. Yes, Jaron Dexter
is playing pretty well because he got the team lead
now in sacks with three and a half. He's ascending,

(27:36):
I would I would say he's certainly not descending. So
he's been good. But where's Dio Dangbo Michael, where's the
other pass rush? Because boy, there was a chance to
I mean, you're playing Tyler Huntley for crying out loud.
I know he's got Lamar like qualities as far as

(27:57):
his athleticism, but he's not Lamar. He's not Kyler Murray.
You know, he's not Jayden Daniels. He couldn't get to them.
They had two sacks. That's not enough. So and that
secondary I actually had. I'm not gonna call them as
one of my winners. For yes from yesterday, and I
believe me, I struggled to come up with one. But

(28:18):
the secondary guys, the journeyman Na Shawn Wright and the
other kid. I mean, you know, they played okay. They
weren't great, but they weren't exposed like I feared they would.
Imagine if Lamark Jackson were playing that he probably wouldn't
exposed those corners. But I thought they were okay. But
the lack of a pass rush here, they think that
that okay. The run Derrick Henry is Derrick Henry. He's

(28:39):
going to the Hall of Fame. But the lack of
pressure seven games in is still disappointing. And it's just
not I see no reason why it's not gonna get
any better. Because if no one's coming back, no Austin Booker,
no one's coming back to save the day or coming
on this active roster to save the day. So I

(28:59):
could probably pick them as a loser probably every week,
but but today I will burn one of my defensive line.
Lack of pass rush cards.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, I think I think they were fine. I think
you needed them, but I think I think you needed
them to be great or really good in this game
with your second your secondary's down three starting cornerbacks like
at some and they like have been carrying the load
here with turnovers and interceptions, like most of their turnovers
during this band was interceptions. I know Montees had a

(29:29):
really good streak there of back to back to back
game with forced fumbles. But you need more than you
need more from that, and quite honestly, you're getting what
you put into it over the offseason, right like you
you signed Dio dang Bo. He's not doing anything. That's
your big free agent addition, and you're just getting You're
you're getting bit by the injury bug and that we'll

(29:49):
talk about that later. But you know, Shamar Turner shows
a little bit of something here, hurts his knee and
it looks really bad because he's carted off the sideline.
Like Dominie Robin said, you know, he's making some plays
for you on special teams, and he you know, when
he got some opportunities, he made some you know, nice
plays on the defensive line. He gets hurt too, Grandy

(30:10):
Jared is in one hundred percent. I know he made
his return yesterday, but I mean at this point, and
however old he is, you know, it's hard coming off
of a knee surgery from a couple of years ago
and then a knee injury this year, So I mean,
you're kind of getting out of that group what you
put into it over the offseason, right, and that's just
like mediocre results. Monteese shines sometimes because he's a really

(30:30):
good pass rusher, but when he's double teamed and sometimes
triple teamed, I mean, there's only so much he can
do by himself when they're not creating much pressure on
the other side of the line. So yeah, I mean
it's really interesting to see what they'll do with Ricky.
Asked Michael, will Booker get activated by tomorrow? I was
surprised that Austin Booker didn't get activated for this game.
He's been full this entire almost twenty day practice window

(30:53):
that he's been in. Last week we asked him about
We asked Ben Johnson about Austin Booker, and Ben said
they just like the guys that they have in there
and felt comfortable heading into the heading into that game.
But Tomorrow, Tuesday, is the last day that they have
in the twenty one day window to activate him or
he's gone for the season, and he's going to have
to be on the injury list. So we'll see what

(31:14):
Ben says today. Obviously we'll get a chance to ask him.
I'm sure about Austin Booker, but listen, if Austin Booker
can't get onto this rotation now with all these injuries
that you have, then that's a to me, that's a
major indictment on Ryan Poles if you can't get your
fifth front draft pick from last year onto the step

(31:34):
charge with all these injuries that you have and no
pass rush really at this point.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
No, I mean, yeah, it's very frustrating. And you know
when you can't I mean, this is not the Broncos
front for I mean, you know, you're not getting to
the quarterback. He's like, when you can't make the team
on a on a bad team, well that's you know,
you can't make you can't put like who's like, we

(32:01):
can't take that guy off the act of so we
can't take snaps away from that guy. I don't see
it other than sweat, I guess up up front, but man,
I that's I'm almost getting ready for that news that day.
He's gonna be on IR the rest of the year,
and that's you know, that's a wasted year. And you
get back to the corners. I mean, it really is

(32:22):
nuts how depleted they are, not only with the three
guys missing yesterday with Tyreek Jalen and Kyler Gordon, but
you know, uh, Terrell Smith, you go back to that
it was gonna be probably piece and then the kid
they drafted, you figured he'd be up to speed where
he gets some action. Ze Frasier. Is it the kid
that picked what the fifth round the big corner? Yeah,

(32:44):
so you know he's done, you know, for the year
for the personal reason. So it's really it's and we
I think everyone said during the pakers like if you
have nine or yeah I have nine or ten dbs,
you don't have enough yet. And that's kind of proven
here with the Bears.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree like you. That'll go into
my I have a couple here, but I'll start off
with Bear's injury. Look is bad right now, and not
that every team deals with injuries. This is the life
of the NFL. Like I'm not like the Ravens clearly,
like you just saw what happened to them, Like they've
gotten demolished by injuries. But the injuries are not good
right now. Obviously you're playing with Kyler Gordon, Tyreek Stevenson,

(33:22):
Jalen Johnson, you're without Cole Comet. Then you lose Dominique
Robinson to an I think his was his was a knee,
I think, or maybe it was an ankle. Yeah, his
was an ankle on the first play. Shamar Turner, you
lose him to a knee, Luther Burden a concussion, and
then Olamide is a chaush a knee injury that they're

(33:43):
evaluating later. Like you're getting hurt by injuries right now,
and that's not good because you know, we'll see how
long it takes. Hopefully it doesn't take Tyreek too long.
But Kyler Gordon was placed on ir on Saturday, so
he's gonna miss at least the next three games. So listen,
you gotta step up here, and you need some guys
to step up and whether that's the running attack Kleb.

(34:06):
And you know, no one's healthy at this point of
the year, like we gave, Like guys are bruised, and
you know, the Bears are not the only ones dealing
with injuries in the league. Far from it. That's just
the way of the life in the NFL. But they
are being hit with a lot of tough injuries right now,
and it's really coming at a bad time because I
don't think you're getting much consistency in any aspect of

(34:26):
the game right now.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
And even DeAndre Swift, you know he might and he
played through it. I actually he was. I don't think
we've got into the winners yet. He'd probably be one
of mine. I'll save some of that, but but yeah,
it's up and down. It's crazy, and it's not just
the Bears, but the Bears certainly same to be there
at the top. It's like between injuries and penalties. We're

(34:50):
talking about it every week.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Joe, what's your final loser here?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Sorry about that final loser though, I have to well,
there should be plenty of options on the board here.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I've got one. If you can't think of one, I'll.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Go Ryan Poles and that we could probably do that
every week. I'll just go Ryan Poles. Because this draft class,
I mean, Manung guy didn't get the ball a lot yesterday.
I think he's never gonna be on my I'm tired
of this guy.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Left.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Klem went on guy because he's the seventh rounder. He's
doing what you thought he might do. He's not going
to be Isaiah Pacheco. He's not gonna be that guy
gives you a burst. But he's fine. But what's he's
the guy you're probably get. You've gotten the most out
of of this this draft class. Here were still and
again the injuries factored in yesterday, but Luther Burton hadn't

(35:42):
been used much before that. Uh Shamya Turner finally getting
back on the field. Now he's off the field again
because of the knee. It's just Trpillo was active, I
guess yesterday, but.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
He was in some jumbo packages. He was in there
for extra blocking. He was out right.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
That's it. Second rounder, my guy who I wanted. There's
a Bear, Mike Green. He had a sack yesterday. Not
that he's been, you know, crushing getting Baltimore, but I
think that was a second or third sack this year.
So I'll go Ryan Polls. I know it's a it's
a bail oun. It's an easy one. But when you're
seeing Loveland boy again, first pass, I think it was
the first Bears pass of the game or first played

(36:21):
from scrimmage for them, where he had a nice game
getting involved, and I think then you called Loveland as
your m VP for the game going right, and look
who Michael called it. Man love them is gonna have
a big game, boy, you know again, Baltimore is just
saying saying, well, we'll give you whatever you want at
the end of the game. But trying to get Loveland
a touchdown, it would have been nice get the kid

(36:42):
his first NFL touchdown. Couldn't even Bears couldn't even get
that right. And then they missed him and Caleb missed
him on the goal line. Uh, maybe earlier in the fourth.
It's just and you need to see more your turn.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I'll do a bonus one because they feel like we
need to address it. The Baltimore Orioles, Jesus, the Baltimore
Ravens are well. I guess the Orioles are losers this
year too. But the Ravens just the way they handled
the whole Lamar Jackson situation, that's that's bad. Like for
those who don't know, Lamar Jackson was ruled as questionable

(37:19):
for Friday's game after he was a full participant in
Friday's practice. Then it came out on Saturday that, oh,
Lamar actually only did scout team stuff. We should have
said limited and you know after the game, John Harball,
which which was so weird because I feel like John
Harball has really set himself as like a good guy,

(37:41):
like a good He's been there at Baltimore. He's set
a great culture in Baltimore. The Ravens have been great
during his time there. Like, I've never really heard any
bad things about John Harbo. But then after the game,
you know, he's like, oh, some person whatever misinterpreted and
put the wrong thing. That's what the whole issue was.
And I don't know, like the Bears play weren't trying
to use that as an excuse, but they didn't know

(38:03):
until Saturday that Hunley was going to be starting. And
you know they said that the scheme is the same,
and obviously, you know, like not that Hugley is you know,
close to being Lamar Jackson. Obviously, no, no, just do
respect disrespect to him. But it's different getting ready for
Lamar Jackson versus Tyler Hudley, Right, And when you're a
Saturday getting ready to get onto play and you hear

(38:25):
that Lamar is not playing all of a sudden, like,
I don't know, that's just dirty pool. I think the
NFL that I know that the NFL is investigating it,
and I think the NFL, based on what I've read
from other people who are well sourced or whatever, I
think they're going to make an example out of the Ravens,
especially given with what happened in the NBA last week
with the whole gambling thing. Like, I don't think the
NFL at all can risk any thought at all about

(38:48):
there's any manipulation going on with the injury report or whatever.
So I think that it was a little bit dirty
pool there by the Ravens, and I think that the
NFL probably will go pretty hard on them to kind
of set an example of like don't do this, or
this is gonna happen to you.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
It should, you know, it's the it's the line, you hear.
If you're not cheating, you're not trying. So they're gonna
try to manipulate that. I'm sure other teams will will
think about it too or have been thinking about it.
But that was dirty pool. Uh, they will be fine.
The NFL is not gonna blow an opportunity. You don't
do this to us, you know, so it's so you

(39:25):
they will get fined. But it was not right, you know,
in high school college. They do it all the time,
and they did, but there are no rules there. But
you're in a high school. You know your quarterback got
hurt Saturday, is he gonna play. It's a lot of
times coaches don't even respond to your text or an email,
like I get it, you know, but they don't want
to give away anything. The NFL is different because they're

(39:48):
money involved. You can't do it. And Baltimore tried, but
they're gonna get fined. They're they're gonna they have to.
If this just goes like a slap on the asked
for nothing, I'm like the someone else is gonna try it,
and you know.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I think it'll be a fine and it might even
be a draft pick. I think the NFL.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
But you know what, if they want to put the
hammer down and say no, they won't have a no
tolerance attitude about this. They can do it.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
I think they don't want to risk any They don't
want to risk anything about you know, whether it's gambling
with anything. I think they want to. I know Roger Goodell,
you knew you can have your thoughts on Roder Goodell,
but he is pretty stiff on this type of stuff.
And I don't think he's gonna let the league get
into any sort of trouble or misconceptions or anything like
that over a situation like this. All right, Joe, we're
we're late here. We'll have probably five or ten more minutes.

(40:40):
So any winners from yesterday.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I had to come up with three, three things that work.
Boy almost missed deadline because of that. It was hard.
I'm gonna go with I know the numbers weren't off
the charts. He's he's not gonna come up in any
conversations around the league about what you see what DeAndre
Swis did yesterday. But I'll go with DeAndre Swift played hurt,
played well. He didn't get the ball a lot. We

(41:05):
could talk about that another time, or you know, that's
another issue. He didn't get the ball a lot, But
when he did I thought he was effective. The touch
that the only touchdown they scored yesterday, which was by him,
set up by him a nice catch and run, Caleb,
just like cost it like good, Caleb, Do more of that,
do more that. You don't have to show off the

(41:26):
ninety mile proor fastball every time. Just a little dink
to DeAndre open space. Go. So I thought deanre Swift
wasn't his third consecutive one hundred yard game, but he
think he finished with a little shy at fifty maybe,
but I thought he was He was good, and I
appreciate the guy playing hurt and gave him a chance
because without him, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
I think, yeah, I think DeAndre has to be a lot,
you know, applauded for his effort. Like it's it's very
clear that he's injured. Like I think that, you know,
people are like, what's wrong with him? Myerdvasing Swift, But
it's like it's very clear that he's injured, Like he's
been on the injury report with the groin injury the
last two weeks. I think he's gutted it out the
last two weeks. Last week he was able to rush
for over one hundred yards yesterday and not so much.

(42:09):
And but yeah, I would echo that I think he
was one of the bright spots, and I think Roma
Dune saying DJ Moore were a couple more bright spots
Rome with another one hundred yard game, he caught one
hundred and fourteen receiving yards for seven catches. Dj Moore
had a season high with seventy three on four. His
catch at the end of the game was pretty nice.

(42:29):
Also could have had a touchdown if Caleb hit him
in the back of the end zone. My only critique
of DJ go out of bounce. You can create yourself.
But again that's the whole team, like go out of
bounce and help yourselves create better situations. But yeah, I
thought Roman, I thought Rome. You know, Roman Caleb were hitting,
you know, clicking again on that first drive, on that

(42:52):
scripted drive, and I feel like this happens a lot
where they're clicking and they're really doing well, and then
that kind of goes away. I know Caleb really focuses
in on on Rome a little bit. It's kind of funny.
I feel like Keenan Allen got in the way of
some of Rome's receptions last year because Caleb would focus
in on him. And now Caleb is fully focusing in
on Roma doonsday and everyone else is kind of like, hey,

(43:13):
like what about me here too? But yeah, I would
give I'd give Cole, DJ and Rome a couple of
nice gold stars there. Anything else, shoe, Nope, I.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Just that Gole, what you're saying there, the three things
that work Yesterday, I picked Rome two for the statue
mentioned thought he had a good game. I know there
was one where he could have, like you know, a
big time receiver maybe makes the catch. But that's okay.
I think you're seeing a lot of good things from
Rome and Dunesday this year. The catch by the Dj Moore.
By the way, if you turned off the game after,

(43:46):
you thinkre woll, they're not gonna wind. This gave me
probably missed a DJ Moore catch, but that that should
be on the highlights because that was a great catch,
one handed catch there by DJ. And I'm a fan
of DJ Moore and going on a balance thing, I
get it. But you know, DJ is such a fighter,
he's such a good yeah guy. He's not a you know,
catch it. He goes down with you know, with with
you know, a guy makes puts one thing around, he
trips and he goes down. DJ has a tough nugget.

(44:07):
He's not the biggest guy, as you know, Michael, but
he I I really appreciate they appreciate that way that
guy plays football. So two good ones there in Rome
and DJ.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
And talking about injuries, I mean DJ has been through
in the last couple of weeks too, like DeAndre Swift
has been too, like he's been dealing with a bunch
of injuries and he hasn't missed the game, and he's
kind of gutted it out, so obviously a good performance
from him. I think I'll have one last time. I'm
just looking through the stance to make sure I'm not
missing someone obvious, I'll give Montest what a shout out.

(44:38):
He forced a fumble for the third straight week this time,
or I guess you could say it wasn't a forced fumble.
It came close to it. But he I think he's
played well. I think he's done what you want. Sure
you want more out of him, but this really feels
like the same situation like last year, where he's not
getting any support, He's not getting much pressure up the middle.

(45:00):
The opposite side of him isn't doing anything. I think,
you know, I think he's doing as best as he can.
You would love for it to be a little bit better,
but at this point, I don't know. I'm not for
all the past rush issues and all that sort of stuff.
I'm not putting to blame Montest sweat.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I agree you can say he's been good the last
four weeks he's been great, No, and we want to
see greatness. Maybe there was a game coming soon hopefully,
but he's been good. He hasn't been the problem. Nothing
from Monteste sweat. Again, we haven't said that now for
four games in a row, so I'll give props to him.

(45:40):
And again when you see when you isolate on him
a little, you could see why he got paid. We're
just wanting, we want to be because of no one
else is doing anything. And maybe when if they ever
get to that, if this season where he's not the
only guy I have to worry about, then maybe he
does get free. Maybe he does have that that multiple game,

(46:02):
multiple sack game.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
All right, Joe, that's everything that we've got for the game.
Some interesting storylines we'll have to watch. Obviously, the injury
news will be the biggest stuff from this week. You know,
Tyree Stevenson will see Cole Comett as well. Kyler Gordon
obviously was placed on IRA. Like I said, a bunch
of guys got injured last week or yesterday, I should say.
But a lot of stuff to figure out this week, Joe.

(46:26):
Before Cincinnati, I know, you know, heading into the season,
you're like man Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow back to
back weeks, Like that stinks, Like we just you got
to get through that. And now you've got Tyler Hudley
and Joe Flaco and you know you couldn't get it
done against Tyler Hudley and you know, Joe Flacco has
been fine, but with the secondary. And we'll get into

(46:48):
the preview stuff. But if I'm the Bears, like I
got to figure something out for Jamar Chase and T
Higgins because against this injury depleted secondary, Like I don't know,
I don't know, maybe you have to figure something out
because that could get really ugly because I think Joe,
I think Flaco can get the ball to his receivers
in a good way where they can take care of
the rest. So that's going to be a major concern

(47:10):
for me this week as the Bears kind of figure
some stuff out at practices.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, I mean, Joe Flacco is as old as he is.
He knows what to do. And boy, Jamark Chase is
probably the best wide receiver in football. And I love
Justin Jefferson, but man, Jamar Chase coming off to your head.
They've been thrown to him like I did every play
pretty much and why would you? And then you got
t Higgins. Yeah, so that's a load. That defense stinks.

(47:37):
That stinks, but another opportunity. Maybe maybe your offense has
to win one. Caleb. We'll see because that Caleb, I
hope for the kids sake, he plays well next week.
We'll get into that later too, maybe our next podcast.
But hope he plays well because he probably needs that.
Because you heard the Justin Fields tape from US. I
know you've been busy traveling and righting your your game

(47:58):
stuff afterward, but Justin Field's really opening up. But he
was in his closet crying on the floor.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I mean, you forget.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Sometimes we think like they're just they take that's my guy,
my fantasy team, you got you gotta do this, But
they're human beings and Justin Field's got real. The media
kudos to him was always well, like you know in
Chicago just yet for sure, good for him. But Caleb, look,
he's a human being. He hears the noise. You can
block it out and try, but he hears it. So
for his sake, I hope he he doesn't have to

(48:27):
throw for three fifty and four touchdowns. That'd be nice,
But I hope he has a bounce back game, because
it's two stinkers in a row for him.

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(49:17):
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game on Friday morning. Obviously that's a very big game.
That's a really important last couple stretch here before you
head into a really tough end of the season stretch there, Joe.
So we'll break it all down with you folks on
Friday morning, But until then, have a good week and
we will talk to you folks down the road.