June 5, 2019 • 36 mins
As you may know, the right-wing/conservative Austrian coalition government was ousted from office via a no-confidence vote from Parliament after a video surfaced that showed the vice-chancellor in Ibiza promising favorable treatment for government contracts to a (supposed) niece of Russian oligarch and basically suggested selling Austria's biggest tabloid to her. Sound shady? Yep, it's super shady. This is how you oust a corrupt government. Join us in our conversation about the political situation in Austria and what it means for the future of feminist politics.
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Nasty was warm, she was goodan explanations. Hello, and welcome to
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the Persistence. This is she whopersisted the Nasti Podcast. My name is
Beatrice that I'm here with. HeyLisabeth, did you miss me? I
did miss you. Yeah, I'mback now. I've been very stressed out
and busy the last few months,so you didn't hear of me a lot.
But I'm back. So tell everybodywhat you've been busy with. Well,
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so I've been working in government.No, okay, you need to
cut that out because it's wrong.I've been working in Parliament, and especially
the last few weeks have been verybusy, which is also exactly what we're
going to talk about today, right, Yes, so I'm thinking the title
of this episode should be I tooka trip to Abiza. Yeah, or
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you could just take the Venga Boyssong title We're going to Pisa, because
it's been kind of a you know, the song of political protest in Austria
right now? Oh man, Soyeah, so Austria, I mean you
can explain it better, but Austriaimpeached their government. Yeah, that's basically
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what happened. So on the seventeenthof May. I'm going to try to
make it as short as possible becauseif you know, if you want me
to to explain everything, I'll needlike three hours. But basically what happened
is that on the seventeenth of May, a video surface that showed our Vice
Chancellor and another member of the FPW. The FPU is the right wing party
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in Austria that is also we don'treally know how close to the identity and
which is a right wing extremist group, um, which you know, one
of the things they did was givemoney to the christ Church uh terrorists,
So are you kid, No,it's true. Oh my god, Oh
my god. So the okay,yeah, So the FOO has been in
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government with the UFAP, which isthe Conservative Party, since December twenty and
seventeen, and there's been a lotof uh well, a lot of things
happened. The FPOO tends to callit anselfela, which is like one of
the things that surfaced was that thatthe Identitian, as I said, paid
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money to the christ Church terrorists,and that some of the people that are
in the FPOO are also part ofthe Identityian, which is a right winning
swimms group. Then yeah, Imean, this was the whole change in
government in Austria, like post Trump, when a lot of you know,
in Austria and in Germany too,a lot of right parties exactly gained vote.
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The issue in Germany was that theythat they got over the like five
percent hurdle, which meant that theyhad now had representation in the parliament.
In Austria, they actually took controlof parliament, yes exactly. And also
they took control and so obviously alot of you know, we call it
anselfella ironically because d F Boo alwayscalls it anslfella. So it's just singular
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or how you translate that, likesingle singular like individual cases, individual cases.
Yeah, but a lot of thoseindividual cases happened where um, you
know, uh, anti Semitic Usong books emerged and all of that.
So a lot of things happened,is the preface to what I'm going to
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tell you now. And then onMay what happened on May the seventeenth.
What happened is a video surface thatshowed device Chancellor and another member of dfpoo
in ibitsa or ibisa uh with withum. I don't know the English word
for it, but the supposed nieceof a Russian oligarch. Oligarch is the
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word. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they were talking. They were
drinking vodka, red ball and takingcocaine, although everybody says it's not cocaine,
but was it, Well maybe itwas just flower. I don't know,
it was not, but then itwas not talcum powder and it was
not it could have been bath salts, which is they say for legal reasons
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there was let's just say, becausethat's a fact. There was white powder
on the table. I don't knowwhat it was, Okay, So and
they were talking about um, yeah, they were promising that Oligogue, the
niece of the Oligarch, that theywould that she could say that she could
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buy basically the biggest Austrian tableaut newspaper, the corner site Song, and they
could and she then would um reportpositively on the FPO, which would then
make them basically win the election.So that was the deal that they were
trying to make. And allsounds sofamiliar in American politics, it does it
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really anyway? Yeah? Um so. And then also one other thing that
they kind of promised was that theycould so in Austria areas a company that's
called Strabak, which is basically accompaniedas like infrastructural product projects like streets and
stuff. I don't know, Iknow nothing about these things. And and
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he kind of struck the Vice chancellorthat then vice Chancellor um suggested to her
to basically found a company like Strabakand then she would get all the like
um the what's it called a triggercontracts. Yeah, she would, she
would get all the contracts and coulddo all the projects and they'll also get
the money for it. Of coursethat's highly corrupt. Yeah, so they're
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not just right wing extremists an entiresemitic and all kinds of things, but
also they are extremely corrupt. Thenthe next day, so this happened.
This video set is on Fridayay,the seventeenth of May of May, and
then on Saturday the eighteenth, thevice Chancellor gave a public announcement where he
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said he would step back from hisseat as a vice chancellor. But also
hold on a second, Yeah,the chancellor is like a millennial like right
wing extremist. Yeah. The chancellor, well, he's actually in the Conservative
Party. Okay. The Chancellor isthe one who's in the Conservative Party.
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But in the last kind of election, before the last year, he kind
of took over the party and heturned it from a conservative party essentially into
a right wing populist party. Butit was originality Conservative party, and they
are in a coalition with the actualoriginal right wing populist slash right wing extremist
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party. So it's bad and yeah, and the vice Chancellor is a member
of the FU which is their rightwing extremist slash populist party. Okay,
And so he announced that he'll stepback. And if you speak German,
I suggest you watch the whole thingbecause it's amazing because it's like full of
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the video itself, you know,is full of obviously toxic masculine in sexism.
But then what he does in hislike explanation apology, I don't know
what it is, is even moreamazing because he talks about how he was
just behaving like a stupid team agerand he's very sorry, and he apologizes
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to his wife because he tried toimpress the niece of the oligarch. So
it's kind of a boys will beboys narrative. I was just gonna say
it's a boys will be boys narrativeactally, and he thinks that that's he
thought that that was going to fly, and like opposed me to like going
points begin one kind of environment.You know what it did because a week
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a week after that were the electionsto the European Parliament, and he was
also on the list of the FUbut very far back so that he did
not have any realistic chances of actuallygetting in. But so many people gave
like a thought tuxtim it to him, a like a vote of you can
vote for particular candidates in addition toparticular parties. Yeah, so many,
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so many people gave like a voteto him so many people elected him that
he now actually has the right toget a seat in European Parliament. What's
wrong with people? That is avery good question. What's wrong with Austria
is my question too. So itdid work, it did fly, which
is even more interesting, but alsolike shocking to the extreme. Um okay.
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So that happened on Saturday. Thenon Sunday, our millennial kunselor Kurtz
of Chatella announced that basically the wholegovernment is now like yeah, it basically
imploded, so we don't have sothere will be an expert cabinet and what
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does that mean exactly? So thatmeans that all the the members of government
that were on the f POW sideor the ministers on the f POO side,
stepped back. And there's another storybehind that, but I'm not going
to tell her now because it's toolong and the and they were replaced by
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experts. But the problem with thoseexperts where most of the experts that were
now part like ministers, were alsoquite close to the UFOP. So it's
actually like an up a lani onwhat happened? Sure, um okay.
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So what happened next was the parliamentdecided to do a vote of no confidence
against the chancellor and his government,which there is no I think there's no
comparable. There's no comparable maybe yes, but no such thing in America.
But I think the thing that's mostcomparable to it is like an impeachment process.
So basically our government and the parliament, the majority of the parliament said
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that they don't have any confidence inthe government anymore, so it had to
step down. That happened last week, okay, And then what happened was
that our president, which is avery different thing to a president in America,
because the president in Austria is basicallylike a um, yeah, he's
not actually governing the country in thesense that the American president does. Germany
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has the same thing. In orderto avoid Hitler kind of changed it so
that the president is much more kindof ceremonial and a figurehead than actually having
a great amount of power. Yeah, he's actually one or she, but
up to this point it's only beenhe has the role of like looking over
things, and he can also rejectcertain ministers so that they can't get into
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government, et cetera, et cetera. So it's more like an overlooking kind
of figure, so he had tobasically look for a new chancellor, okay,
and the deal was that he wasalso going to look for like an
expert cabinet and he now chose awoman. So we now have, for
the first time in Austin history,a female chancellor, which is the actually
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the actual head of government, solike the president of America. So yeah,
that is kind of exciting to havea it is. Yeah. So
who is the new female chancellor?So she's called beer Linger. Wait a
minute, did I say that right? I'm sorry? Okay, so cut
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that up. She's called Okay,and she's also I mean, we don't
know much about her, but she'sbeen the president of the Austrian for fason
Skrichto, which is like the highestcourt, like comparable to the Supreme Court
in a way, I think.Um, she's also been the first woman
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in that position, by the way, and now she's Chancellor and she's there's
a lot of debate going on becauseshe's also a right wing conservative, which
is not surprising at all because thepresident needs to choose someone who's backed up
by most of Parliament, and theright wing conservatives have the majority in Parliament
because if they if he would choosesomeone who's not backed by the people government,
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then the next thing that would happenis another vote of no confidence,
which would not be very well.Yeah, of course, um yeah.
So there's a lot of debate goingon, a lot of people telling feminists
that they don't have a right tobe excited about that, which my argument
goes like this, you know,we have a right to be excited about
that because the one thing is awoman, you know, the one thing.
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Like there's two elements to this.I think the one thing to be
excited about is that a woman nowhas a job that only men had before,
that a woman has a position ofpower that only men had before.
And then the second thing would beactual feminist politics. And you cannot you
cannot expect a lot from her inthat sense. But you know, that's
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another question. I think sure.I mean, it's it's interesting because the
parallel of Germany is striking. Youknow, a lea who is now going
to be kind of leaving office inthe next year. Probably she was also
from a conservative party, a conservativecenter party primarily, but still a conservative
party, and she was also thefirst female chancellor of Germany. I mean,
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I would I would wonder if havinga female chancellor seems more palatable if
she's conservative, because she won't necessarilybe fighting for women's rights as much.
Yes, yeah, maybe a leftwing or a center left candidate might And
I think if you look at itglobally, that's often been the case.
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Even in Great Britain. Margrethecha wasthe first prime minister and she was conservative.
She was staunchly conservative, so yeah, it's not surprising. But also
I think it's still something positive.You know, it's better to have a
female, a female conservative, thana male conservative because at least a female
conservative normalizes the idea of a womanin power. Yes, so that then
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down the road, when you're startingto elect an other you know, chancellors
down the road, it's not sucha weird thing to have a female chancellor.
And it could be from any partyexactly. And I think, you
know, Angela Macko is a goodexample because she she did normalize the image
of a female chancellor. Yeah,and a whole generation of people, especially
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young girls in Germany, grew upwith the image of a female chancellor and
I think that changes a lot forpeople. It's funny when when was was
elected, when she took over theposition. The German government did not actually
own the u r L bundescancelor inwith a female ending on it. Why
should they, I know, right, because why would you ever need that
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UURL. Yeah, somebody had actuallypurchased a German had actually purchased all of
the female titled like websites for likebundes present in like for women, with
like a note on the thing thatsaid, like when we have like a
female chancellor or a female president,like I'm happy to give you the but
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I own it until then. Yeah, well yeah we have. We haven't
had a president either, a femalepresident. So as to this point,
yeah, never only been men onlymen. So I think it's a huge
step. I think it's a hugething. And I mean, of course,
this this chancellor has not been elected. She's just been chosen by the
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president as like in between like government'schancellor. Sure, but maybe maybe she
paves the way, you know,for an elected female chancellor. Yeah.
So this is when is the electiongoing to be that will like make the
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decision about the actual government. Sowe don't know for sure yet, but
the most likely date is either thetwenty second of September or the twenty ninth
of September. Because in Austria electionsare always on Sundays. Well, honestly,
that's not a bad thing because peopledon't have to work, they can
go, everybody can vote. Youdon't have you can leave the polls open
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all day long and not have toworry about like making it there after work.
I know that in Germany a lotof people, in particularly in conservative
areas, they would go to churchin the morning and then go right from
church to like the polling places becauseyou know, that was their thing,
and everybody was involved. The kidscame along with to see because it was
so important to vote. Yeah,I was surprised when I heard for the
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first time that in America elections arenot held on Sundays. No, They're
hold on Thursdays, No Tuesday,Yeah, because I for me, it's
always been like I don't know,like yeah, completely Yeah. For me,
it was always a completely normal thingthat elections are on Sundays because I
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grew up with it. But thenI learned that in other countries it's not
that way. And I also learnedthat in Austria there was like a long
fight for elections being on Sundays becausepeople were like, what about those who
can't take off work? You know, oh, because Sunday is also some
people actually do work on Sunday.Yeah, but usually it's kind of a
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free day for most people. It'sa free day. And if you work,
I think hospitals and like institutions likethat have their own voting like elections.
That's nice. Usually that's what happens. Yeah. Also in like you
that voting rights are something important inAustria. Making sure that everybody has the
ability to vote and ensuring that peopledo go to the polls is something that
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is valued in Austria. Well,I think the situation is better than in
America at least. I mean,it's on Tuesdays here most election not all
of them, it depends, butfor like the major elections, for the
presidential elections, it's on the firstTuesday in November. And I mean,
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so do you get free from workor do you do get off from work?
Do you know? You don't?So how how you can vote before
work or after work, depending onwhere when you're polling place is open.
They're usually open pretty early in themorning. The problem is in a lot
of in a lot of areas inthe United States, they have limited the
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number of polling places available for people. So sometimes you have to travel a
pretty far away to actually get toyour polling place. And so if you
don't have public if you take publictransportation, if you don't have your own
vehicle, if you have to work, whatever you have to, like,
make an extra effort to be ableto make it to polling places. A
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lot of people will organize for youknow, you said that a lot of
like senior homes and stuff like that, they will have polling places there at
the senior center. At a lotof people organize volunteer car rides for the
elderly to be able to make itto polling places. For elderly and people
who don't have the modes of transportationto make sure that they do have the
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ability to vote, because it's reallyimportant, and not allowing people to have
that mode of transportation, you know, whatever, is disenfranchising them. But
that kind of transportation is organized bypeople privately. It's nothing yet state.
No, No, it's not organizedby the government at all. Oh,
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that's a shit show. We also, I mean, we also aren't required
to vote. So I remember meetingwhen I was in Germany. I met
met a woman from Australia, andin Australia they are required to vote.
If they aren't able to vote,then they have to, you know,
if they're out of the country orwhatever, they are required to like explain
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why. But you can get absenteebalots. You can get absentee ballots in
the United States too, where youmail them in ahead of time, and
some states have actually gone to entirelyto a mailed ballot, so I think
Oregon in Washington maybe certainly Oregon hasgone to a completely mail in ballots,
so you get it in the mailand send it back. M But yeah,
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but that can also lead to fraud. Issues of fraud because exactly I
just was going to ask in NorthCarolina they had an issue where they were
doing people were getting absentee ballots andthis was this happened to be the Republican
Party. They were going into people'smailboxes, taking the absentee ballots out,
filling them out, and then sendingthem in. Explained my face right now,
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priceless, like yeah, mouth agape in total shock. Yes,
I mean, it's it's ridiculous,Yeah, terrible, Okay, I mean
I don't know what to say,an election process that you can trust that
like each individual who is voting hasthe right to vote number one, but
also that each individual has who hasthe right to vote, is able to
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vote exact And so there's two sidesof that. I know that a lot
of people are concerned about the youknow, making sure that people aren't who
aren't eligible to vote aren't voting.And that's you know, it's different for
every state. In some states,you know, convicted felons, even after
they've served their time in prison,they're not allowed to vote. Other places
are they're allowed tom But if someoneis allowed to vote, they are registered
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to vote, they should be allowedto vote. There was a case in
North Carolina. You know, Idon't have a problem necessarily with people having
to show ID to vote. Imean, sometimes it can be a pain,
but and for most services that weneed in the United States, you
have to have an idea of somesort, whether it's a driver's license or
some sort of an idea. It'sthe same case in Australia. But don't
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make it impossible for people to showtheir form of identification, right, I
mean, like, don't make itso difficult for someone to show a form
of identification, that you are disenfranchisingthem, and that that has been what
is happening in a lot of placesin the United States. Didn't some places
also have the problem of voting,like places to be closing down to l
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so the people couldn't not enough peoplecould vote, yes Jesus Christ. Yeah,
voting closing down to early, likenot letting people who were in line
vote, getting rid of polling locationsso that people couldn't actually make it to
their voting locations, or eliminating votinglocations and then not telling people that they
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had eliminating them, and then peopleshowing up to vote and not knowing where
they're supposed to vote. There's beena lot of that that goes out in
the United States. That's so shitty. So I think the process in Austria
works better the process yourself, butthere's also Yeah, but there's also certain
problems. So one of the thingsthat I'm very critical of and that I've
also talked about in my other podcast, is the fact that only people who
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are starts book is so actual citizensof Austria can vote, because that's something
in the United States too. Yeah, And I think that's very problematic because
there are people living here for likedecades they are austritions, just not on
paper, and they're not allowed tovote. And I think that's something that
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could be reformed. And how difficultis it to get Austrian citizenship. It's
not easy and it also takes money. I mean it's not easy in the
United States either, and it's itoften takes Um. You know, even
if you're here with a green cardwhich is like a work permit, and
it's still not eligible to vote eventhough you're living here. Um. I
mean I get that on the onehand, like, yes, you are
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living in in a country, um, but you're not a citizen of that
country. So like on the onehand, I get it, Um,
you're technically a citizen of another country. And you know, we have yes,
you're paying taxes here, but wehave this like these like tax agreements
with other countries, so that likewhatever. But the laws that are that
are enacted in your local community,the laws that are that are voted on
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by the people who are representing thepeople in your community, are not representing
you because you don't get representation,yeah your tax and they get representation.
Yeah. And also that's a hugesection of the population. And also I
think it's at the very least,at the very least, I think citizens
of the European Union should be ableto vote in the country that they live
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in. Oh, that's a goodquestion, that's a good point. I
mean, the EU does complicate thingsin terms of like you know, they're
paying Yeah, I mean they arepaying into the the EU through the taxes
that they're paying to their own country, or the taxes that they're paying to
Austria via tax agreements with their otherthings. Yeah. Interesting. So yeah,
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so do you are you hopeful forwhat the new government? I think,
I mean, nothing could be worsethan the one we had before,
because they I mean it was reallylike right wing populism and right wing politics
like we've never seen it before,and like just just yeah, just disgusting
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to be honest, um, sexist, racist, anti Semitic, anti refugees,
you know, just very It was. I think the whole or at
least like the left side or theliberal side of the country just had a
huge celebration when they heard and um, yeah, learned that the government is
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impeached. But is that enough tocarry you through to the election to get
more like candidates elected. So I'mgonna ask I'm gonna answer the question in
a minute. I'm just gonna saysomething else before that. Sure, because
I wanted to tell you because that'sthat's also very funny. I wanted to
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tell you that, um so becauseof the whole Ebisa video, the song
We're going to Ebisa by the BengaBoys. I don't know if they're well
known in America. We're familiar withthem, okay. So they've been very
popular I think all over Europe inthe nineties, especially in like the um
yeah, German speaking part of Europebecause German, let's go to Abusa like
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nobody's business. Yeah yeah, soyeah, they've been very famous in the
nineties, like nineties electro dance,trash pop. That's why I would describe
it. And their song We're goingto Bisa is kind of has become so
it's number one in the Chance againin Austria, and it's become the song
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of the whole protest movement against thegovernment and it's just so hilarious. Throughout
the time that the government's been um, you know, governing, every Thursday
there's been a demonstration against them.The so called Dona stuck stems and yesterday
there was like the first Dona stucksteam after the government has been impeached and
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gets who gets who was there?As the boys stop, that's insanity.
It was ah, okay, youneed to watch the videos. You need
to we're supposed to look at thevideo and in Smith's and Facebook's been full
of the Benga boys yesterday and itlooked like like everybody's bit had an amazing
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time. And I couldn't be therebecause I wasn't in Vienna, and I
was very sad about it because itwas like a huge party, not just
a demonstration, but a huge party, and it looked amazing. Yea,
So now I'm gonna yeah so yeah. So I do think that the momentum
like coming out of this, thelike anti right momentum, and it is
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enough to like carry you through untilthe elections. No, I don't think
so, and that's the problem.So what we've seen now in the European
election with the FPOO, the rightwing extremist slash populist party, they've not
lost like I think, they've onlylost zero point something percent in like the
elections. And as I said,the Vice Chancellor has been the whole reason
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for the impeachment. He is theone who actually gained so many votes that
he could actually now get a seatin the European Parliament. So there are
a lot of people in Austria apparentlythat are like I think the slogan is
yet so now even more so.Yeah, So I think Austria really has
a very conservative right wing majority alsowhen it comes to the people voting,
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not just to the parliament or governmentsor whatever, but like in the populace,
you know, most people are rightwing. And I think the most
likely scenario if nothing happens in between, is that the former chancellor quords the
millennial millennial that you talked about isgonna just gain even more, you know,
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because people are Most people are likewhy was he impeached? Didn't do
anything? Blah blah blah. Andthe narrative about the vice Chancellor is I
think, yeah, it's just beenum uh that's the word fuck feller.
It's just a single case. Notjust a single case, but like a
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feller like he because it wasn't itwas staged a stage thing like stop so
who was taping it? Like?Who was recording it? Yeah, that
is the huge question that nobody knowsthe answer to. There's several, several
theories, but it's highly interesting becausethe niece of the oliicock wasn't real,
you know. I oh, soit was a set up. Interesting,
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Yeah, it wasn't That's what Iwanted to say. Yeah, it's a
setup. Yeah. And the narrativeabout the former vice chancellor is like he's
just been set up. He's thevictim. He was just being a boy,
you know, try trying to impressthe attractive lady. And he was
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drunk, so he can't really takeit seriously. And everyone has secrets,
don't we all have secrets? Don'twe all Nike mistakes? That's a narrative
that he also built in his speechon Saturday, and that people are just
buying, buying. Oh so that'sa problem. Yeah, that is a
problem. I mean, on theone hand, like, okay, yeah,
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it was like not an actual Russianoligarch, but the fact that he
was willing to do it, likethat's an issue exactly exactly. I mean,
that's that just shows how he wantsto do politics. But is an
entrapment, Like that's a that's agood question. So I think there's two
I think there's two aspects of that. And the first the first thing is
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it doesn't matter whatever he's been setup or not, because it shows how
corrupt he does politics, you know, because he didn't know it was a
set up. He just you know, he thought there was a real interaction
and he actually promised those things.He actually was to be corrupt. I
mean, the intention was was there, even if it wasn't real exactly.
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And then the second thing is whodid the video? Who did the setup?
That's whole other question, do youknow what I mean? Yeah,
it's and it's a separate question andit can be dealt with entirely separately from
exactly whether or not he is potentiallycorrupt politician. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Oh man, exciting times in Austria. Yeah, I told you so.
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And I've been kind of in themidst of it because I'm working in
Parliament and I've just i didn't geta lot of sleep and was really like
excited and like enthusiastic and then worriedand then afraid and all of those things
at once. So yeah. Wow, Well, um, we're gonna talk
in our next episode about what's goingon with abortion in Austria and Germany or
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and the US. Let's talk aboutGermany because also in Germany too. But
the next episode that we will dotogether, which will be the next episode
after this one, we'll be lookingat what the hell is going on with
abortion because it's a nightmare, it'sa hellscape. I mean, I I
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don't think I would ever actually havean abortion, but I don't think it's
my right to tell people like whatthey can do. Taclaz and this is
a just like a disaster. AndI think, you know, I've talked
to when I've talked to Amy Dreyer, and when we've talked to Amy about
the Amberson thing, Like a lotof it is just like seeing how far
you can push it before it getsto the Supreme Court, and then like
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challenging roversus Wade in the United Statesto like see if you can push the
envelope just far enough. Yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Next
time episode. Next time this isgoing to talk about the American situation.
I'm going to say a few sentencesabout the Austrian situation, and maybe we'll
throw in one or two sentences aboutthe Geman situation too. Yes, yes,
excellent, it was so safe awesometo see you and talk to you
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again. Yes, same, same, And I just realized how much I
missed this. Yay um, trynot to work too hard. Yeah,
well it's you too, yes Iwill. I got so much sleep lost
two days because there was a fireattack like a holiday yesterday and I was
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like, don't wake me up,all right, Yeah, well then get
some sleep, enjoy the drama thatis Austrian politics, and stay nasty,
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Hello, Nasty's and welcome back toShe who Persisted the Nasty Podcast. Today,
we have a super exciting episode andI won't spoil the surprise, but
we have a guest who you mightbe familiar with. I'm sorry for my
audio on this one. I wasrecording at work and between the road noise
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and the sirens and a bunch ofother things, yeah, you get it.
We hope you enjoyed this episode,and we have a bunch of really
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Nasty was warm, she was goodan explanations. Hello, and welcome to
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the Persistence. This is she whopersisted the Nasti Podcast. My name is
Beatrice that I'm here with. HeyLisabeth, did you miss me? I
did miss you. Yeah, I'mback now. I've been very stressed out
and busy the last few months,so you didn't hear of me a lot.
But I'm back. So tell everybodywhat you've been busy with. Well,
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so I've been working in government.No, okay, you need to
cut that out because it's wrong.I've been working in Parliament, and especially
the last few weeks have been verybusy, which is also exactly what we're
going to talk about today, right, Yes, so I'm thinking the title
of this episode should be I tooka trip to Abiza. Yeah, or
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you could just take the Venga Boyssong title We're going to Pisa, because
it's been kind of a you know, the song of political protest in Austria
right now? Oh man, Soyeah, so Austria, I mean you
can explain it better, but Austriaimpeached their government. Yeah, that's basically
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what happened. So on the seventeenthof May. I'm going to try to
make it as short as possible becauseif you know, if you want me
to to explain everything, I'll needlike three hours. But basically what happened
is that on the seventeenth of May, a video surface that showed our Vice
Chancellor and another member of the FPW. The FPU is the right wing party
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in Austria that is also we don'treally know how close to the identity and
which is a right wing extremist group, um, which you know, one
of the things they did was givemoney to the christ Church uh terrorists,
So are you kid, No,it's true. Oh my god, Oh
my god. So the okay,yeah, So the FOO has been in
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government with the UFAP, which isthe Conservative Party, since December twenty and
seventeen, and there's been a lotof uh well, a lot of things
happened. The FPOO tends to callit anselfela, which is like one of
the things that surfaced was that thatthe Identitian, as I said, paid
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money to the christ Church terrorists,and that some of the people that are
in the FPOO are also part ofthe Identityian, which is a right winning
swimms group. Then yeah, Imean, this was the whole change in
government in Austria, like post Trump, when a lot of you know,
in Austria and in Germany too,a lot of right parties exactly gained vote.
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The issue in Germany was that theythat they got over the like five
percent hurdle, which meant that theyhad now had representation in the parliament.
In Austria, they actually took controlof parliament, yes exactly. And also
they took control and so obviously alot of you know, we call it
anselfella ironically because d F Boo alwayscalls it anslfella. So it's just singular
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or how you translate that, likesingle singular like individual cases, individual cases.
Yeah, but a lot of thoseindividual cases happened where um, you
know, uh, anti Semitic Usong books emerged and all of that.
So a lot of things happened,is the preface to what I'm going to
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tell you now. And then onMay what happened on May the seventeenth.
What happened is a video surface thatshowed device Chancellor and another member of dfpoo
in ibitsa or ibisa uh with withum. I don't know the English word
for it, but the supposed nieceof a Russian oligarch. Oligarch is the
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word. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they were talking. They were
drinking vodka, red ball and takingcocaine, although everybody says it's not cocaine,
but was it, Well maybe itwas just flower. I don't know,
it was not, but then itwas not talcum powder and it was
not it could have been bath salts, which is they say for legal reasons
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there was let's just say, becausethat's a fact. There was white powder
on the table. I don't knowwhat it was, Okay, So and
they were talking about um, yeah, they were promising that Oligogue, the
niece of the Oligarch, that theywould that she could say that she could
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buy basically the biggest Austrian tableaut newspaper, the corner site Song, and they
could and she then would um reportpositively on the FPO, which would then
make them basically win the election.So that was the deal that they were
trying to make. And allsounds sofamiliar in American politics, it does it
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really anyway? Yeah? Um so. And then also one other thing that
they kind of promised was that theycould so in Austria areas a company that's
called Strabak, which is basically accompaniedas like infrastructural product projects like streets and
stuff. I don't know, Iknow nothing about these things. And and
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he kind of struck the Vice chancellorthat then vice Chancellor um suggested to her
to basically found a company like Strabakand then she would get all the like
um the what's it called a triggercontracts. Yeah, she would, she
would get all the contracts and coulddo all the projects and they'll also get
the money for it. Of coursethat's highly corrupt. Yeah, so they're
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not just right wing extremists an entiresemitic and all kinds of things, but
also they are extremely corrupt. Thenthe next day, so this happened.
This video set is on Fridayay,the seventeenth of May of May, and
then on Saturday the eighteenth, thevice Chancellor gave a public announcement where he
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said he would step back from hisseat as a vice chancellor. But also
hold on a second, Yeah,the chancellor is like a millennial like right
wing extremist. Yeah. The chancellor, well, he's actually in the Conservative
Party. Okay. The Chancellor isthe one who's in the Conservative Party.
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But in the last kind of election, before the last year, he kind
of took over the party and heturned it from a conservative party essentially into
a right wing populist party. Butit was originality Conservative party, and they
are in a coalition with the actualoriginal right wing populist slash right wing extremist
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party. So it's bad and yeah, and the vice Chancellor is a member
of the FU which is their rightwing extremist slash populist party. Okay,
And so he announced that he'll stepback. And if you speak German,
I suggest you watch the whole thingbecause it's amazing because it's like full of
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the video itself, you know,is full of obviously toxic masculine in sexism.
But then what he does in hislike explanation apology, I don't know
what it is, is even moreamazing because he talks about how he was
just behaving like a stupid team agerand he's very sorry, and he apologizes
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to his wife because he tried toimpress the niece of the oligarch. So
it's kind of a boys will beboys narrative. I was just gonna say
it's a boys will be boys narrativeactally, and he thinks that that's he
thought that that was going to fly, and like opposed me to like going
points begin one kind of environment.You know what it did because a week
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a week after that were the electionsto the European Parliament, and he was
also on the list of the FUbut very far back so that he did
not have any realistic chances of actuallygetting in. But so many people gave
like a thought tuxtim it to him, a like a vote of you can
vote for particular candidates in addition toparticular parties. Yeah, so many,
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so many people gave like a voteto him so many people elected him that
he now actually has the right toget a seat in European Parliament. What's
wrong with people? That is avery good question. What's wrong with Austria
is my question too. So itdid work, it did fly, which
is even more interesting, but alsolike shocking to the extreme. Um okay.
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So that happened on Saturday. Thenon Sunday, our millennial kunselor Kurtz
of Chatella announced that basically the wholegovernment is now like yeah, it basically
imploded, so we don't have sothere will be an expert cabinet and what
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does that mean exactly? So thatmeans that all the the members of government
that were on the f POW sideor the ministers on the f POO side,
stepped back. And there's another storybehind that, but I'm not going
to tell her now because it's toolong and the and they were replaced by
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experts. But the problem with thoseexperts where most of the experts that were
now part like ministers, were alsoquite close to the UFOP. So it's
actually like an up a lani onwhat happened? Sure, um okay.
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So what happened next was the parliamentdecided to do a vote of no confidence
against the chancellor and his government,which there is no I think there's no
comparable. There's no comparable maybe yes, but no such thing in America.
But I think the thing that's mostcomparable to it is like an impeachment process.
So basically our government and the parliament, the majority of the parliament said
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that they don't have any confidence inthe government anymore, so it had to
step down. That happened last week, okay, And then what happened was
that our president, which is avery different thing to a president in America,
because the president in Austria is basicallylike a um, yeah, he's
not actually governing the country in thesense that the American president does. Germany
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has the same thing. In orderto avoid Hitler kind of changed it so
that the president is much more kindof ceremonial and a figurehead than actually having
a great amount of power. Yeah, he's actually one or she, but
up to this point it's only beenhe has the role of like looking over
things, and he can also rejectcertain ministers so that they can't get into
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government, et cetera, et cetera. So it's more like an overlooking kind
of figure, so he had tobasically look for a new chancellor, okay,
and the deal was that he wasalso going to look for like an
expert cabinet and he now chose awoman. So we now have, for
the first time in Austin history,a female chancellor, which is the actually
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the actual head of government, solike the president of America. So yeah,
that is kind of exciting to havea it is. Yeah. So
who is the new female chancellor?So she's called beer Linger. Wait a
minute, did I say that right? I'm sorry? Okay, so cut
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that up. She's called Okay,and she's also I mean, we don't
know much about her, but she'sbeen the president of the Austrian for fason
Skrichto, which is like the highestcourt, like comparable to the Supreme Court
in a way, I think.Um, she's also been the first woman
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in that position, by the way, and now she's Chancellor and she's there's
a lot of debate going on becauseshe's also a right wing conservative, which
is not surprising at all because thepresident needs to choose someone who's backed up
by most of Parliament, and theright wing conservatives have the majority in Parliament
because if they if he would choosesomeone who's not backed by the people government,
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then the next thing that would happenis another vote of no confidence,
which would not be very well.Yeah, of course, um yeah.
So there's a lot of debate goingon, a lot of people telling feminists
that they don't have a right tobe excited about that, which my argument
goes like this, you know,we have a right to be excited about
that because the one thing is awoman, you know, the one thing.
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Like there's two elements to this.I think the one thing to be
excited about is that a woman nowhas a job that only men had before,
that a woman has a position ofpower that only men had before.
And then the second thing would beactual feminist politics. And you cannot you
cannot expect a lot from her inthat sense. But you know, that's
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another question. I think sure.I mean, it's it's interesting because the
parallel of Germany is striking. Youknow, a lea who is now going
to be kind of leaving office inthe next year. Probably she was also
from a conservative party, a conservativecenter party primarily, but still a conservative
party, and she was also thefirst female chancellor of Germany. I mean,
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I would I would wonder if havinga female chancellor seems more palatable if
she's conservative, because she won't necessarilybe fighting for women's rights as much.
Yes, yeah, maybe a leftwing or a center left candidate might And
I think if you look at itglobally, that's often been the case.
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Even in Great Britain. Margrethecha wasthe first prime minister and she was conservative.
She was staunchly conservative, so yeah, it's not surprising. But also
I think it's still something positive.You know, it's better to have a
female, a female conservative, thana male conservative because at least a female
conservative normalizes the idea of a womanin power. Yes, so that then
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down the road, when you're startingto elect an other you know, chancellors
down the road, it's not sucha weird thing to have a female chancellor.
And it could be from any partyexactly. And I think, you
know, Angela Macko is a goodexample because she she did normalize the image
of a female chancellor. Yeah,and a whole generation of people, especially
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young girls in Germany, grew upwith the image of a female chancellor and
I think that changes a lot forpeople. It's funny when when was was
elected, when she took over theposition. The German government did not actually
own the u r L bundescancelor inwith a female ending on it. Why
should they, I know, right, because why would you ever need that
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UURL. Yeah, somebody had actuallypurchased a German had actually purchased all of
the female titled like websites for likebundes present in like for women, with
like a note on the thing thatsaid, like when we have like a
female chancellor or a female president,like I'm happy to give you the but
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I own it until then. Yeah, well yeah we have. We haven't
had a president either, a femalepresident. So as to this point,
yeah, never only been men onlymen. So I think it's a huge
step. I think it's a hugething. And I mean, of course,
this this chancellor has not been elected. She's just been chosen by the
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president as like in between like government'schancellor. Sure, but maybe maybe she
paves the way, you know,for an elected female chancellor. Yeah.
So this is when is the electiongoing to be that will like make the
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decision about the actual government. Sowe don't know for sure yet, but
the most likely date is either thetwenty second of September or the twenty ninth
of September. Because in Austria electionsare always on Sundays. Well, honestly,
that's not a bad thing because peopledon't have to work, they can
go, everybody can vote. Youdon't have you can leave the polls open
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all day long and not have toworry about like making it there after work.
I know that in Germany a lotof people, in particularly in conservative
areas, they would go to churchin the morning and then go right from
church to like the polling places becauseyou know, that was their thing,
and everybody was involved. The kidscame along with to see because it was
so important to vote. Yeah,I was surprised when I heard for the
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first time that in America elections arenot held on Sundays. No, They're
hold on Thursdays, No Tuesday,Yeah, because I for me, it's
always been like I don't know,like yeah, completely Yeah. For me,
it was always a completely normal thingthat elections are on Sundays because I
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grew up with it. But thenI learned that in other countries it's not
that way. And I also learnedthat in Austria there was like a long
fight for elections being on Sundays becausepeople were like, what about those who
can't take off work? You know, oh, because Sunday is also some
people actually do work on Sunday.Yeah, but usually it's kind of a
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free day for most people. It'sa free day. And if you work,
I think hospitals and like institutions likethat have their own voting like elections.
That's nice. Usually that's what happens. Yeah. Also in like you
that voting rights are something important inAustria. Making sure that everybody has the
ability to vote and ensuring that peopledo go to the polls is something that
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is valued in Austria. Well,I think the situation is better than in
America at least. I mean,it's on Tuesdays here most election not all
of them, it depends, butfor like the major elections, for the
presidential elections, it's on the firstTuesday in November. And I mean,
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so do you get free from workor do you do get off from work?
Do you know? You don't?So how how you can vote before
work or after work, depending onwhere when you're polling place is open.
They're usually open pretty early in themorning. The problem is in a lot
of in a lot of areas inthe United States, they have limited the
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number of polling places available for people. So sometimes you have to travel a
pretty far away to actually get toyour polling place. And so if you
don't have public if you take publictransportation, if you don't have your own
vehicle, if you have to work, whatever you have to, like,
make an extra effort to be ableto make it to polling places. A
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lot of people will organize for youknow, you said that a lot of
like senior homes and stuff like that, they will have polling places there at
the senior center. At a lotof people organize volunteer car rides for the
elderly to be able to make itto polling places. For elderly and people
who don't have the modes of transportationto make sure that they do have the
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ability to vote, because it's reallyimportant, and not allowing people to have
that mode of transportation, you know, whatever, is disenfranchising them. But
that kind of transportation is organized bypeople privately. It's nothing yet state.
No, No, it's not organizedby the government at all. Oh,
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that's a shit show. We also, I mean, we also aren't required
to vote. So I remember meetingwhen I was in Germany. I met
met a woman from Australia, andin Australia they are required to vote.
If they aren't able to vote,then they have to, you know,
if they're out of the country orwhatever, they are required to like explain
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why. But you can get absenteebalots. You can get absentee ballots in
the United States too, where youmail them in ahead of time, and
some states have actually gone to entirelyto a mailed ballot, so I think
Oregon in Washington maybe certainly Oregon hasgone to a completely mail in ballots,
so you get it in the mailand send it back. M But yeah,
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but that can also lead to fraud. Issues of fraud because exactly I
just was going to ask in NorthCarolina they had an issue where they were
doing people were getting absentee ballots andthis was this happened to be the Republican
Party. They were going into people'smailboxes, taking the absentee ballots out,
filling them out, and then sendingthem in. Explained my face right now,
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priceless, like yeah, mouth agape in total shock. Yes,
I mean, it's it's ridiculous,Yeah, terrible, Okay, I mean
I don't know what to say,an election process that you can trust that
like each individual who is voting hasthe right to vote number one, but
also that each individual has who hasthe right to vote, is able to
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vote exact And so there's two sidesof that. I know that a lot
of people are concerned about the youknow, making sure that people aren't who
aren't eligible to vote aren't voting.And that's you know, it's different for
every state. In some states,you know, convicted felons, even after
they've served their time in prison,they're not allowed to vote. Other places
are they're allowed tom But if someoneis allowed to vote, they are registered
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to vote, they should be allowedto vote. There was a case in
North Carolina. You know, Idon't have a problem necessarily with people having
to show ID to vote. Imean, sometimes it can be a pain,
but and for most services that weneed in the United States, you
have to have an idea of somesort, whether it's a driver's license or
some sort of an idea. It'sthe same case in Australia. But don't
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make it impossible for people to showtheir form of identification, right, I
mean, like, don't make itso difficult for someone to show a form
of identification, that you are disenfranchisingthem, and that that has been what
is happening in a lot of placesin the United States. Didn't some places
also have the problem of voting,like places to be closing down to l
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so the people couldn't not enough peoplecould vote, yes Jesus Christ. Yeah,
voting closing down to early, likenot letting people who were in line
vote, getting rid of polling locationsso that people couldn't actually make it to
their voting locations, or eliminating votinglocations and then not telling people that they
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had eliminating them, and then peopleshowing up to vote and not knowing where
they're supposed to vote. There's beena lot of that that goes out in
the United States. That's so shitty. So I think the process in Austria
works better the process yourself, butthere's also Yeah, but there's also certain
problems. So one of the thingsthat I'm very critical of and that I've
also talked about in my other podcast, is the fact that only people who
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are starts book is so actual citizensof Austria can vote, because that's something
in the United States too. Yeah, And I think that's very problematic because
there are people living here for likedecades they are austritions, just not on
paper, and they're not allowed tovote. And I think that's something that
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could be reformed. And how difficultis it to get Austrian citizenship. It's
not easy and it also takes money. I mean it's not easy in the
United States either, and it's itoften takes Um. You know, even
if you're here with a green cardwhich is like a work permit, and
it's still not eligible to vote eventhough you're living here. Um. I
mean I get that on the onehand, like, yes, you are
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living in in a country, um, but you're not a citizen of that
country. So like on the onehand, I get it, Um,
you're technically a citizen of another country. And you know, we have yes,
you're paying taxes here, but wehave this like these like tax agreements
with other countries, so that likewhatever. But the laws that are that
are enacted in your local community,the laws that are that are voted on
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by the people who are representing thepeople in your community, are not representing
you because you don't get representation,yeah your tax and they get representation.
Yeah. And also that's a hugesection of the population. And also I
think it's at the very least,at the very least, I think citizens
of the European Union should be ableto vote in the country that they live
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in. Oh, that's a goodquestion, that's a good point. I
mean, the EU does complicate thingsin terms of like you know, they're
paying Yeah, I mean they arepaying into the the EU through the taxes
that they're paying to their own country, or the taxes that they're paying to
Austria via tax agreements with their otherthings. Yeah. Interesting. So yeah,
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so do you are you hopeful forwhat the new government? I think,
I mean, nothing could be worsethan the one we had before,
because they I mean it was reallylike right wing populism and right wing politics
like we've never seen it before,and like just just yeah, just disgusting
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to be honest, um, sexist, racist, anti Semitic, anti refugees,
you know, just very It was. I think the whole or at
least like the left side or theliberal side of the country just had a
huge celebration when they heard and um, yeah, learned that the government is
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impeached. But is that enough tocarry you through to the election to get
more like candidates elected. So I'mgonna ask I'm gonna answer the question in
a minute. I'm just gonna saysomething else before that. Sure, because
I wanted to tell you because that'sthat's also very funny. I wanted to
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tell you that, um so becauseof the whole Ebisa video, the song
We're going to Ebisa by the BengaBoys. I don't know if they're well
known in America. We're familiar withthem, okay. So they've been very
popular I think all over Europe inthe nineties, especially in like the um
yeah, German speaking part of Europebecause German, let's go to Abusa like
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nobody's business. Yeah yeah, soyeah, they've been very famous in the
nineties, like nineties electro dance,trash pop. That's why I would describe
it. And their song We're goingto Bisa is kind of has become so
it's number one in the Chance againin Austria, and it's become the song
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of the whole protest movement against thegovernment and it's just so hilarious. Throughout
the time that the government's been um, you know, governing, every Thursday
there's been a demonstration against them.The so called Dona stuck stems and yesterday
there was like the first Dona stucksteam after the government has been impeached and
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gets who gets who was there?As the boys stop, that's insanity.
It was ah, okay, youneed to watch the videos. You need
to we're supposed to look at thevideo and in Smith's and Facebook's been full
of the Benga boys yesterday and itlooked like like everybody's bit had an amazing
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time. And I couldn't be therebecause I wasn't in Vienna, and I
was very sad about it because itwas like a huge party, not just
a demonstration, but a huge party, and it looked amazing. Yea,
So now I'm gonna yeah so yeah. So I do think that the momentum
like coming out of this, thelike anti right momentum, and it is
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enough to like carry you through untilthe elections. No, I don't think
so, and that's the problem.So what we've seen now in the European
election with the FPOO, the rightwing extremist slash populist party, they've not
lost like I think, they've onlylost zero point something percent in like the
elections. And as I said,the Vice Chancellor has been the whole reason
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for the impeachment. He is theone who actually gained so many votes that
he could actually now get a seatin the European Parliament. So there are
a lot of people in Austria apparentlythat are like I think the slogan is
yet so now even more so.Yeah, So I think Austria really has
a very conservative right wing majority alsowhen it comes to the people voting,
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not just to the parliament or governmentsor whatever, but like in the populace,
you know, most people are rightwing. And I think the most
likely scenario if nothing happens in between, is that the former chancellor quords the
millennial millennial that you talked about isgonna just gain even more, you know,
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because people are Most people are likewhy was he impeached? Didn't do
anything? Blah blah blah. Andthe narrative about the vice Chancellor is I
think, yeah, it's just beenum uh that's the word fuck feller.
It's just a single case. Notjust a single case, but like a
(31:14):
feller like he because it wasn't itwas staged a stage thing like stop so
who was taping it? Like?Who was recording it? Yeah, that
is the huge question that nobody knowsthe answer to. There's several, several
theories, but it's highly interesting becausethe niece of the oliicock wasn't real,
you know. I oh, soit was a set up. Interesting,
(31:40):
Yeah, it wasn't That's what Iwanted to say. Yeah, it's a
setup. Yeah. And the narrativeabout the former vice chancellor is like he's
just been set up. He's thevictim. He was just being a boy,
you know, try trying to impressthe attractive lady. And he was
(32:00):
drunk, so he can't really takeit seriously. And everyone has secrets,
don't we all have secrets? Don'twe all Nike mistakes? That's a narrative
that he also built in his speechon Saturday, and that people are just
buying, buying. Oh so that'sa problem. Yeah, that is a
problem. I mean, on theone hand, like, okay, yeah,
(32:22):
it was like not an actual Russianoligarch, but the fact that he
was willing to do it, likethat's an issue exactly exactly. I mean,
that's that just shows how he wantsto do politics. But is an
entrapment, Like that's a that's agood question. So I think there's two
I think there's two aspects of that. And the first the first thing is
(32:45):
it doesn't matter whatever he's been setup or not, because it shows how
corrupt he does politics, you know, because he didn't know it was a
set up. He just you know, he thought there was a real interaction
and he actually promised those things.He actually was to be corrupt. I
mean, the intention was was there, even if it wasn't real exactly.
(33:07):
And then the second thing is whodid the video? Who did the setup?
That's whole other question, do youknow what I mean? Yeah,
it's and it's a separate question andit can be dealt with entirely separately from
exactly whether or not he is potentiallycorrupt politician. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Oh man, exciting times in Austria. Yeah, I told you so.
(33:29):
And I've been kind of in themidst of it because I'm working in
Parliament and I've just i didn't geta lot of sleep and was really like
excited and like enthusiastic and then worriedand then afraid and all of those things
at once. So yeah. Wow, Well, um, we're gonna talk
in our next episode about what's goingon with abortion in Austria and Germany or
(33:54):
and the US. Let's talk aboutGermany because also in Germany too. But
the next episode that we will dotogether, which will be the next episode
after this one, we'll be lookingat what the hell is going on with
abortion because it's a nightmare, it'sa hellscape. I mean, I I
(34:16):
don't think I would ever actually havean abortion, but I don't think it's
my right to tell people like whatthey can do. Taclaz and this is
a just like a disaster. AndI think, you know, I've talked
to when I've talked to Amy Dreyer, and when we've talked to Amy about
the Amberson thing, Like a lotof it is just like seeing how far
you can push it before it getsto the Supreme Court, and then like
(34:38):
challenging roversus Wade in the United Statesto like see if you can push the
envelope just far enough. Yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Next
time episode. Next time this isgoing to talk about the American situation.
I'm going to say a few sentencesabout the Austrian situation, and maybe we'll
throw in one or two sentences aboutthe Geman situation too. Yes, yes,
excellent, it was so safe awesometo see you and talk to you
(35:00):
again. Yes, same, same, And I just realized how much I
missed this. Yay um, trynot to work too hard. Yeah,
well it's you too, yes Iwill. I got so much sleep lost
two days because there was a fireattack like a holiday yesterday and I was
(35:22):
like, don't wake me up,all right, Yeah, well then get
some sleep, enjoy the drama thatis Austrian politics, and stay nasty,
Stay nasty. Bye. Thank youfor listening to She Who Persisted the Nasty
(35:44):
Podcast. If you want to reachout to us on social media, you
can reach us on our Facebook page, She Who Persisted the Nasty Podcast,
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Who Persisted on Twitter, She Persistedpod, or via email at She who
(36:07):
Persisted Podcast at gmail dot com.You can always find us on our website
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