#BuddyRead Review The Quiet Tenant | Book Chat - Shelf Addiction Podcast

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Hey Tamera, how are you?

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And of course, as always with book chats, we talked
full spoilers here, so spoiler alert you've been warned. Today
we are discussing the Quiet Tenant by Clement's Michelan. I
should have said that with a French accent, but that
was good enough. I know.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
When I was hearing you say her name, I was like,
I can't wait to hear Tamra say her name.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I'm my girl. That's too much, I can't Okay. The
audiobook is narrated by a full cast a lot of
people like I think it's over ten narrators on there.
It is fun stuff. Published June twentieth, twenty twenty three,
by Knoff and Random House Audio. The hardcover is three

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hundred and three pages and the unabridged audio is ten
hours and forty four minutes. Classy, would you kindly share
the synopsis?

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Sure Ayton Thomas is a hardworking family man and a
somewhat beloved figure in the small upstate New York town
where she lives. He's the kind of man who always
lends a hand and has a good word for everyone.
But Aiden has a dark secret he's keeping from everyone
in town, in those closest to him. He's a kidnapper

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and serial killer. Aiden has murdered eight women, and there's
a ninth he has earmarked for. Rachel, imprisoned in a
backyard shed fearing for her life. When Aiden's wife dies,
he and his thirteen year old daughter, Cecilia are forced
to move. Aiden has no choice but to bring Rachel along,

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introducing her to Cecilia as a family friend who needs
a place to stay. Aiden is betting on Rachel. After
five years of captivity, of being too brainwashed and fearful
to attempt to escape, but Rachel is a fighter and
survivor and recognizes Cecilia might just be the lifeline she

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has waited for all these years. As Rachel tests the
boundaries of her new living situation, she begins to form
a tenuous connection with Cecilia, and when Emily, a local
restaurant owner, develops a crush on the handsome widower, she
finds herself drawn into Rachel in Cecilia's orbit, coming dangerously

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close to discovering Aiden's secret. Told through the perspectives of Rachel, Cecilia,
and Emily, the Quiet Tenant explores the psychological impact of
Aiden's crimes on the women in his life and the
bonds between those women that give them the strength to
fight back. Both the searing thriller and an astute study

(04:34):
of trauma, survival and the dynamics of power, The Quiet
Tenant is an electrifying debut thriller by a major talent.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Before we get into our first feelings about the book,
I know usually I don't read the synapsis, and I
don't think you do either.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
No, I haven't lately. I had just seen people say
and I was the one who picked this one, and
I just had seen it on either TikTok or Instagram,
where people would just show books and say good thrillers
you should read, and then they like show a book

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and then I go in there and kind of look
at it and see the rating, because that's kind of
how we've been doing some things.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Like Okay, it's a thriller. Looks like they have a lot.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Of reviews and a nice rating. So and I thought
the the cover was interesting, so so yeah, so I
was kind of I was like, okay, quite a tenant.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I knew a little, but not enough. I didn't do.
I didn't read the full synopsis like I just did.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yea, So when you read that, I was like, when
you read it, I said, wow, they tell a lot,
and yeah they did.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
And I'm kind of glad that I didn't read the
synopsis because it gave I want to say, gave away
a lot but.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Enough.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, So like the synopsis kind of said it's really
a character study more than anything.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
There wasn't really a mystery. It was more suspense and
psychological thriller.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, it definitely was a thriller. It was definitely psychological.
Nothing was mysterious to me. Absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
It was suspenseful.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
I will you know, I would give suspense in there,
but yeah, the synopsis, I am kind of glad I
didn't read it, but I feel like even if I
did read it, after reading the book or listening to
the book, it still was enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I felt like Clements did a.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Great job writing this story and from even though was
told in second person, which you know doesn't happen often,
you don't. We rarely get a story told in second person.
But I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it kind of like
was it the ghost writer that we had listened where

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it was like we were listened to someone from the
grave kind of telling their story, and I really did.
I enjoyed how each chapter, the titles of the chapter,
and how the story was told. And I know a
lot of people, you know, after I finished it, I

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was like, I want to hear what people have to say,
because I know some people are probably like I wanted
more from the serial killer. I wanted to know why.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Aiden did what.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
He didn't matter.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
No, because this isn't what that wasn't her purpose of
writing this story. It was about the quiet tenant, it
was about the women.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
It was you know, and.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
I enjoyed that because so many times, how many women
you know like they were She mentioned there's some some
stories of women in Ohio who you know who got
away and the Stockholm syndrome, and so many times you know,
like people, I was frustrated, why didn't they just do this,
this and that?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
And while reading that.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Story and you feel like that. But then you but
then when you start listening to the story and you
start hearing the other women and how he tricked them,
you begin to see how easy it can happen, even
though it's easy to say it from our point of
view like I would never do that.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
It's actually, let me just interject, it's actually this story
made me realize that it's not that simple to say that,
because you know, our main character she talks about reading
listening to true crime and all this stuff and bad
things happen, and it's like, you know, you think about it.

(09:05):
You could be all awares but with someone and this
is how it got Or someone holds a gun on you,
what are you gonna do? You're in the middle of
nowhere with no one around.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, and the gun, I mean he pulled over with
fake sirens came up to her window with a gun,
you know, like she had no place to go. I mean, granny,
she could have hit the gas, but that's all.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
She was already out the car. Remember she got out,
and she said, well, he looks like he might be Okay.
It's one of these moments where you're not sure is
this a good bad person or a bad person.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, I forgot about that, but yeah it is. You know,
I saw some may I would never do that. She
should have just and I'm like, no, it's so easy
to say that from a different you know, because we're
the reader and we are given so many things ahead
of time, but when you're in that situation, how hard

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is it?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
And it really I really had I.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Mean I always have a compassion for people who have
been kidnapped and held hostage, you know, or you know,
in those type of situations, but this one was I.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Thought it was really eye opening, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
But even with that for me, so first off to say,
I thought it was very It was well done, and
I found myself almost feeling stressed while listening to this.
I'm like, girl, hurry the fuck up. It's like, you know,

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the we know what she's doing, and the author is
taking her time. She is slow mowing this thing, and
it's by design, I think, to make you feel the
stress and the tension.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
I felt like I was in a movie like Run Girl, Run, Yeah,
and like I found myself like you said, even though
I did not find myself judging her, I felt very
frustrated by her at times.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
So let me give you an example. So the very
first time she decides she's going to make a run
for it, she tries to take Cecilia with her. I'm like,
leave that fucking girl there, are you stupid?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Leave?

Speaker 1 (11:15):
I'm like you could call get them to the police
and then she'll be away from him. Why are you
trying to take that girl with you? That's gonna fail.
It's going to fail. And it failed, and I just
was like, you dun me, why did you do this?
So the level of frustration was real. I could not

(11:37):
understand the logic of what some of the things she
was doing, Like, I felt like she did take her
sweet time. I know she was looking for the perfect moment,
but she just had so many. After a certain point,
the opportunities were more regular for her to get away,
and she took her sweet time leaving.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, And I also think, well, for one, I think
she was trying to take the girl because she thought
the dad was hurting her. Granted, like you were saying,
come back, but in her mind, she was like she
was saving all the girls before her and after her,
and she you know, and that was in her mindset
because it was like, I don't want this evil man

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to hurt another person.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
That's what she was thinking.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
But then those opportunities, like you were saying, she had them,
but she also he had put so much fear in her,
you know, like he made her feel like I'm watching
every moment, you know, every move you make, every step
you take, I'm watching you. And then she started seeing
him chip away and just you know, slowly beginning to

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see his facade crack.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
She came, you know, at the beginning, though she questioned
if he was telling the truth. So she was still there. Yeah,
you know, she wasn't completely depleted, but she just didn't
want to risk it.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
At first, no, because he told I mean, he had
caused bodily harm to her and she was afraid of that.
And for him to say, I got cameras in here,
and then she realized, oh wait, your daughter put sanitary
pads in here and they didn't know about.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
It, and she she's like, duly.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Noted, Emily got in here and you didn't say anything
duly noted. So I mean, grant, I was frustrated too,
but I also felt like this woman realized because what was.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Her one line rule number one?

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Staying alive? Ye, you know, So those were some of
the I was frustrated with her. But then I started
putting myself in her mindset while reading this book, because
one false move and she's dead, not just and that's
her goal was to make it and to survive. Even

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though I was frustrated, I got the the concentration and
the thought and the planning and the you know, and
she was watching everything and trying to can you imagine
to like you have to remember like everything where things
are at for one for five years, you've been in

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the shed, and then all of a sudden you're thrust
into this place. You haven't eaten right, you know, like
you got to get your mind right. I can't imagine
I'm being thrust in this situation and everything is coming me,
coming at me in all these different ways. It's kind
of like sensory overload. That's how I felt with her

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like she I felt like it was sensory overload and
she had to kind of like regulate herself.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
It took her a long time, though, It took a
long time, and I know the author did that on purpose. Again,
I think she's trying to like create, you know, level
up the amount of dread and frustration the reader will feel.
So I know she did that on purpose. Was still
it took I feel like it was six months probably
in that house before she actually was able to get away,

(15:06):
maybe longer because he was summer, then it was Christmas,
so at least six months, maybe a little longer for one.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
And you know what I thought about that with that too,
her strength, Remember, like she didn't have a period for
the longest, then she got a period.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
She could barely eat.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Because she wasn't used to eating regular food, and then
all of a sudden she started kind of like building
up strength. So I felt like, you know, all.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Those it was all. Yeah, it was methodical. Yeah, it
was methodical.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Because for you guys, if you've just been a while
since you read the book, or didn't read the book,
So the whole time she was in the shed, aiden
was like giving her leftovers from his plate, or he
was like because he was married. He's married with a
whole ass wife and a child, so he's not like
he could give her full meal. So he's kind of
like skirting the ends, you know, he was just smelling

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it out. Sometimes she ate, sometimes she didn't. So it
got to the point where she was very, very thin.
She didn't even recognize herself the first time she saw
herself in the mirror in the house. But then when
they got there and he said, hey, this is a
tenant to his daughter, and she'll join us for breakfast

(16:20):
and dinner or whatever, she finally started getting regular food,
put on a couple LB's, start getting her cycle back,
you know with things. You know how when people are
don't eat, that's what happens. You start losing things, You
lose muscle mass, you lose everything. Yeah, and he probably
didn't even consider that he was helping to strengthen her

(16:43):
again physically.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
And she was a runner. She never told him she
was a run.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yes, she kept that to herself.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, so she had the endurance and once she got
in there, she was like, you know, probably you on
sit ups or push ups or doing something lifting something.
But she she fought himad at one time, and he
was like, what in them?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
He was kind guard, he was surprised. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, he went to cuff her because he would handcuff
her to.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
The bed or yeah, radiator, radiator the bottom. Yeah, And
he went to handcuff her one time and she was
like not today, I don't.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
She like yaked her hand away and then shoved him.
He was like, oh my.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
God, like I have created a monster.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yes, she had, And she said he kind of looked
a little scared in that moment, like, oh wait a minute,
she might actually try to fight me. And it might
not even be that he was scared that he'd have
to deal with her quote unquote, It was more that
he didn't want Cecilia to hear anything.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, And that was and that's his arrogance, you know that.
He was just like, she ain't do nothing, you know.
So and then after that he tried to put a
little fear into her and bring her into town and
show people you know, Oh that was so bold.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, people love me, they'll believe me before they he marched.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Well, he drove right up to the judge. It had
a whole last conversation was like, oh, this is my
cousin from out of town. She couldn't even speak.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
And in that moment, I was also frustrated because I'm like,
what And I thought in my mind, what would have
happened if would the judge had just written you off
as a Looney Tunes or would he have said, glut
her out of the car, let me see what she's
talking about.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, I don't know, because everybody just loved.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Him, but one didn't. Like I think about that final part.
You know, she dragged her ass and the little girl
to the police station. I still don't understand why she
took the little girl, but I guess maybe because he
will follow her and go there. I think that was
the plan. Yeah. Yeah, But that police officer, he's like
he knew him, but he was like, I'm sorry, dude,

(19:01):
I gotta put you in cuffs. Like this is crazy.
You gotta back down. He's like, I don't want to
do this, but you're you know, he looked like he's
going for her story. He's beligerent, he's loud, he looked
like he was getting aggressive. So he did cuff him. Yeah,
even though he knew him.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
And he knew that she had taken his daughter. He
knew she was wrong, but still we got to follow
the law.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
The law is the law.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
So but again that just showed you how arrogant he
was and how he was like everybody loves me. I'm loved,
I'm beloved in this in this neck of the woods,
people love me.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
He was beloved because he's always trying to do stuff.
He knew what he was doing. Just like in last
month's book, remember we talked about how people are like
being gas lit and they don't know these people. You
think you know them, you do not know them, not
at all. They will trick you and they will have

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every I feel like anybody who was super care arismatic
and everyone loves them, look look out for them. Yeah,
something is wrong.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Something is a miss remiss yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Like yeah, because it makes them not consider them as
an option when bad things happen.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Right, Yeah, it makes you.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Lose that that sense of you know when you judge
or you know, like I think you. I can't remember
what term you used before when we overlooked that, because
they're right in our face, but we overlook it. What
was the term you used? I can't remember. Bias something biased?

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, no, it whatever it was, it was brilliant. Now
it was God, it was.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
It was brilliant. Yeah, so brilliant.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
But yeah, you know, you do you you tend to
you know, you see it all the time.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
I'm just, oh, he wouldn't never do that. My son
would heard a fly.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
I think they just said that about the guy who
had planned the bombs, the pipe bombs at the DNC.
He did it at the Republican National Convention and at
the Democratic It was a black young man and his
grandmother was like.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
He wouldn't hurt a fly, okay, Grannie, until he did.
I don't know, Grannie willefully ignorant. They just won't see it,
like they refuse, Yeah, which is horrible, but that is
the tool he used, a manipulation of the masses. And
he's like, and he even told his daughter, it's important

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that people like us. They want to throw this party,
were gonna accept it, they want to do this volunteer
run and give us some money. We're un too, a
ba accept it because they like us and act.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
So grateful and you know, just oh my gosh, thank you,
thank you, thank you, And that arrogance and that belovedness,
you know, that manipulation he used to his advantage with Emily.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Now Emily asked need therapy. She does. I'm like, Emily,
why are you latching onto this man so hard? First off,
let me just go on a little mini rant. I
feel like aiden's old ass. He's old and because Emily

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told a story about her being a kid and he
came in and helps with something in the restaurant, I said,
why are you trying to date that old ass man?

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Because some people like older men. Hey, she had just
lost her dad and her mom.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
She was needy, she was, and it showed.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
But I feel like she had a crush on him
for a long time. Remember she mentioned going to their
house for the Christmas party and how Yeah, So I
mean she was needy. But again, I feel like this
was a young girl who had a crush on him
for the longest in now he's a widower and she
shot her shot.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Look, come on, okay, Giry, you shoot your shot at
the serial killer rapist? You know, I don't. I guess
I missed what was so attractive about him through her
eyes because I felt like, yeah, he was in there,

(23:25):
you know, brooding, and she thought he was cute or something.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
You know, and he was, and he was sad. He
had just lost his wife. And he's a manipulator. Like
those kind of men know exactly who to go after.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
That's not bab Yeah it was.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
But you know, like the people he had been watching,
but her, he knew that she was a front for
you know, the quiet tenant here. I'm going to have
you know her as someone who's just fawning all over me.
But this young girl saw her opportunity. She was like

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she had been crushing on him for the longest. Here's
my chance. He's a widow.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Now he needs some cooking and some cleaning and some
loving and hugging, and I'm the one.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
To give it to. Look, she and herself was a
little bit off. Let me tell you who the fuck
walks into someone else's house.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I know twice some people do.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
He did it.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Apparently he didn't say nothing bad to her the first time.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
But that's what I'm saying. I'm like, girl, that is
some horror story type shit. You could have walked in there.
You were in the basement with him. He could have
got you out.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I thought he was. I thought he really was.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
The Only thing that saved her was that engineering.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, he's like, knock the fuck out of her.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
He would have got her because he grabbed her arm.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Right, and he would have got away with it because
nobody should have in the house.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, like you crazy girl, You're crazy, Like what are
you doing? And then you are going the basement be
snooping at his stuff. You are not supposed to be there.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, but it happens. That kind of stuff happens. Just gullible,
Just fucking gullible. My thing is is, girl, when you
saw that woman in the house when you came, why
did you come back? Oh, because I'm gonna get I'm better,
He's gonna be mine.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Why has he chasing me?

Speaker 1 (25:35):
She's the Lulu. She need therapy because when she when
she saw Rachel and she said, oh, I'm his friend,
I mean cousin, she said, Emily said, that is a lie.
She knew it, but she came back for more. She
still chased his ass for more and then she's like

(25:59):
it even win. At the end of this book, he
she sees him chasing her and his daughter thank you,
and then he sees her. She sees him grab the
daughter and then keep running after the woman like his
life depended on it. And she's like, aiden get back.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Here now that ship. No, here's the thing too, he said,
he clearly said.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
I should should kill Yes he did, and you, yes,
Jesus was upset.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
No when he said that, and you saw how he
ran after her. You just lucked out, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
She really did, because I was like, is he going
to realize that he said that out loud to her.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
But he was.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
But he was so focused because he knew he was
doing he needed to catch her because he knew exactly
where she was going.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Now that whole scene, she her yelling after him, him
saying that in the car, I'm like, what that?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
But also she made a comment where she's like he
looked back and kind of paused at her, and he's like.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
That gave her to get away?

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, so I think she realized it, but it was like,
but I still love him, And.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
She said why won't he chase me? So I think
she in that moment felt two opposite things. So she
obviously felt something was wrong. Why is he chasing her
like that? Let me just call out? And then after
that happened and he turned away and continued to run
after her, Why won't he chase me. Why didn't chasing car?

(27:53):
I'm like, girl, get your ass in therapy immediately, do
not pass go, do not collect you an dollars straight
to therapy.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, exactly, what's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
This man just told you I shouldn't care how what
I had to you know, just chance.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, and I mean and he meant it, yeah right,
And it had nothing to and in that moment, it
had nothing to do with him taking her daughter, his daughter.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
His whole focus was.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Rachel. Yes, it was. And you know, honestly, what was
interesting to me is I think you know, and the
author did a lot of like kind of forward thinking
about how Cecilia would find out or feel about her
dad in the future. You know, oh, well she figures
this out. But I think Cecilia knew something was off

(28:47):
the whole time, because even in that scene when she's
running away, Cecilia's like kind of being dragged at first,
and then she realizes she's not being dragged anymore. She's
running like at pace with her Yes, exactly, not being dragged, right.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
And Rachel was like, whoaoa, she's with me. She's like,
she's on board. Yeah. I also felt like in one
of the scenes when she caught Rachel in the basement
looking for the batteries, and she says, I go through
the boxes and I have to replace the tape.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
She saw something.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
There's no way that she hasn't gone through all the
you know, you know kids snoop.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
She probably noticed something.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
She saw something that wasn't her mother's because you know,
they keep you know, serial killers keep trinkets, and there
were trinkets.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
There were a lot of them. She had them in
her pocket. You know, she had some photos in her pocket,
just and Casey decided to get rid of evidence. That
was pretty smart.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, put stuff in her bra and but yeah, so
I have a feeling too that Cecilia had saw some
things in the basement.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
But it's like.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
She knows her dad got some creepy things going on.
She might not know that he murdered those people, but.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Right, Yeah, But then when she realized Rachel took her
a second time, she's just like, m something something right.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
And I think the way and probably what triggered her
also in that moment is you know when he yanks
her back, instead of her stopping or crying, she runs.
She's like and the way that her dad, you know
her father is chasing this woman. She's like, right, something's not.

(30:29):
I'm supposed to be the right. You got me right,
but you're still chasing her. M m yeah, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, And she's probably beginning to realize too, like, hey,
I could never do anything.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
We never had company.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
It was always the police would come here and they'd
search my you know, all those things probably were just
playing back.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
In her head, like mmm, you know her girl.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Speaking of Cecilia, you know that part where she actually
got on the train to like kind of just escape
for a minute. She wasn't run away, she was gonna
come home and he runs. I knew he's gonna run
up on her ass. I said, he tracking your ass done.
But the thing is, like, what's crazy is he's like,
do you know what could have happened? Someone? Okay, gotcha?

(31:17):
I said, someone like you, someone like you could have
got your daughter. And that's why you feel like this,
because you know there are people like you out in
the wood there, yep. And someone could have got your
girl exactly and do what you're doing to people to her.
That's why you're so.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
You know, wandering around looking like she's lost. That's how
you got your victims before.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, this is crazy.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Now, did you notice in this book that there was
no number six?

Speaker 1 (31:52):
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(32:17):
welcome back news. Say that one more time.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
The chapters, so you know, there was the woman in
the capbin or the woman in the shed, women in transit,
and then between there'd be like number one, basically victim
number one, number two, number three. There was never a
number six, And you look at the chapters and as like,
was she number six?

Speaker 1 (32:39):
It makes me wonder if she was, because we know
that when we went back to one, that was the past.
So he'd been doing it all the time, and then
something was different about her because I think she's number six. Yeah,
that makes complete sense. And did I read this rite

(33:00):
or did I misunderstand he was the one that drugged
her drink?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I believe so.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
And then she got away, Yeah, and then he was
following her and watching her.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Well, she got the drink drugged, and then she went
to the hospital. Right now, did she get kidnapped right
after the hospital?

Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, But remember he was following her.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, because she did find pictures and things.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
So yeah, she could have went home, and you know,
she was depressed for a little while because you know,
something could have happened and she was out there trying
to He was following her a lot, so he could
have had an attempt. It failed, and he just followed
her until he could get.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Her get to her right down a road. See she's
by herself. Here's a perfect opportunity to pull her over
and do whatever.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
But yeah, I felt like he had been in that bar,
just not had approached her. Like she said, she had
gotten up and hadn't covered her drink all the time.
So and that that I mean, if you've been out
at parties or in a bar, that can happen so
easily if you don't have your girlfriend watching your.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah. On a side note to that, I saw a
TikTok the other day where they are talking about bars
are starting to hand out those like foil type covers
you know for your drinks or you just stick your
straw through. But then someone on the comments says, but
the bartenders are putting stuff in your drinks.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
I'm like, what, Yeah, I've heard that too, that they
work together in tandem with people. Yeah, just so sad,
like in hotels, like I've been hearing too that, Like
if you you know, because you and I travel sometime
and travel seeing, you know, so low not often, but
they say, like when you go to the hotel and

(34:49):
you get your key and you say, can I have
two key cards for one for me and one for
my husband he's coming later, you can say that, you know,
because hotels.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Are a.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Teeming with sex traffickers who are just rapist or whoever,
any kind of criminals.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, and they come up to your room and they say, oh,
I thought you needed towels.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
I didn't ask for towels, so yeah, they you know,
I've heard that that asked for.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Two key cards, so.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I always do.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I'm like, I need too, mm hmm, but yeah it does.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, But you know, like after reading this, it's just
it just made me even more hyper vigilant about just
you know, because sometimes you just are, especially if somebody
is nice and you conversate and could be a fucking
Ted Bundy.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Look, everybody is suspect today. It's crazy times. Yeah, and
I mean, like I said earlier, that really hit me
in a way. You know, this character, our main character,
she's not an idiot. She knows about the world, she's
not oblivious. Yeah, she had a near miss, you know,

(36:08):
something really bad could have happened to her, but still
she still got got anyway.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
And I remember her saying too that with her going missing,
she wondered if her family was still looking for her,
because you know, she had gone through that bout of depression.
So you know, that's the classic thing. They'll say, well
she was depressed. Maybe she you know, yeah she was,
but yeah, so many times they people don't go looking

(36:36):
for runaways or depressed people or But with number six,
it hit me again in my head because I remember
I read in the synopsis that Rachel was.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Earmarked to be the ninth, but the ninth murdered.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
So number six is missing because he didn't kill her, right,
she's still there, but she was earmarked art to be
later on, but he kept her because remember she said
a murder of crows And he's like, what did you say,
and I think he felt like that connection because he's
losing his wife, and I remember the story, you know,

(37:15):
with the birds or the animals, and he was teaching
his daughter, you know how the names of groups of
animals and murder of crows. So yeah, But because I
kept looking and I looked at the Oh, I know
why I noticed No. Number six because I was listening
to the book and I had fallen asleep, but I
had earmarked or bookmarked, you know, where I had left off,

(37:38):
and I'm going through, and I was like, huh, did
I miss number six? And I kept going through, and
I was like, that's got to be some significance because
that is so major that if an editor missed that. Yeah,
and I should have went back and like looked at
interviews or something to see if she mentions it.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
But I'm assuming that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
It's gotta be because the fact that we went back
in time to the beginning of his So I agree, Yeah,
we started at the beginning and then we slowly inch
our way forward to present day. So and you know,
during her those five years, she'd call out, hey, he
went somewhere and he brought back something. So he's given
the trinks to her. Yeah, and actually that was an

(38:21):
indicator that she wouldn't be alive for much longer. When
he gave her necklace.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, to.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Emily, it's like, oh, that means you're not long for
this earth girl because he found someone else to give
the trinket Tom exactly. Yeah. Yeah, and he's gonna grab her.
I don't know. And see that also tells me about
his cockiness and assuredness, because you are escalating to the
point where you are going to get someone who is

(38:51):
known in this community. M hm, you don't even care? Yeah, yep,
she has a business here, she's not a no one. Nope,
you're gonna yank her?

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Or yeah? Or did he just think you know, they
were going to let this happy life.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yes, that's your new wife.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
And it was so crazy, like when his wife died
that her family kicked him out.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
They knew his ass was crazy.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
What's wrong with him?

Speaker 2 (39:16):
They knew he was crazy?

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
But yeah, and I and now that you say that,
you know, do you remember the necklace being given? I
wonder if that's why he presented her to the judge, because.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
He's like, this is my cousin.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
She's just here for a visit, because as she comes
up missing, she's went back home, right.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, yeah, I was a twofer. I think, you know,
he wanted to show her that I have the power
and you have none.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah, yeah, because that was also at the moment where
he knew that Emily had gotten into the house, but
she had never mentioned that Emily had gotten into the house.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah yeah, because she did tell Emily on herself and
I said, oh, that didn't come back.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, but Rachel never said anything.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
He had sex with her that night and she's like hmm,
and then all of a sudden he started changing, like
let's do this and let's do that, and she looks
like little spidy senses are tingling here. And that's when
she was like somethings, you know, like you said she
got the pen from Cecilia, and she's like, I need

(40:30):
to find what.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Is in the basement, so it's down there.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Evidence. It's like they cannot help themselves. They all keep
the evidence.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah yeah, because they're sick.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
You know. I was watching you know, I don't know
if I told you that, but I watched the John
Wayne Gacy story.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
There was a couple of them on Peacock.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
And I was intrigued by this story because John Wayne
Gacy is from Illinois. And when this story came out,
I was a kid and I remember seeing this story
and it scared the hell out of me because I
thought he you know, as a kid, you're like, oh
my god, he's coming to get us. He's in the

(41:18):
you know, he's right in our He's like right in
our backyard basically where he lived. So I remember seeing
this story come on the news at night. My mother
always got the Chicago Sun Times. We would go get
her the paper from the white hand pantry, and I
remember seeing his face on the cover. So I watched

(41:39):
the show and you know, just the mind of a
serial killer. And so I watched that, I watched Monster
but you know, we're true crime people. We love mystery.
But and then he wind up going to State built prison,
which is again right in my backyard.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
So you know, just with that being so.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Low goal and how he tricked these young men into
you know, it's no different than you know, a serial
killer is a serial killer, you know, regardless if you
know you're killing young men or young women. The seduction,
the play, the manipulation is all the same, the grandeur

(42:22):
of the personality. So when this story came up, which,
like I said, I wasn't sure what it was about.
After you know, watching and I watched Monster. You know, no,
Monster is a little different, but you know, they're just
the grandeur of a serial killer.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, like this guy, he killed a lot of people. Yeah,
that's just so crazy. And then the fact that at
the end he basically confessed to some of it. I
was surprised he caved.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Mm.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I think you know what
it almost was like, was he just tired maybe, you know,
because it seemed like the murders just from the book
and the stories from the victims, like when the wife
became sick, that's when his killing repped up.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
She got better, but she was better, but she's sick again.
So who knows?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah, who knows why they pause for whatever amount of
time before they get back to business.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
But yeah, and I didn't really even care to hear why.
I was just really enthralled with the women in his
life and how, like the synopsis said, is a case
study on how you can be manipulated by a charismatic man.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, listen, ladies, if you come across a man that
just seemed too something. Pay attention, Yeah, just pay attention,
because even if he's not a serial killer, he was
definitely manipulating her and pulling the chain. Like I think
about how you know, after they kind of hooked up
or whatever, all of a sudden, he'd being dotchi, he

(44:14):
acting funny. You know, It's like he almost knew what
to do to get her to come to him, not
the other way around. Yeah, ahoto manipulation.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Yeah, and he had pictures of her, so she was
she was definitely I mean, who's to say kill, but
definitely she was gonna you know, yeah that she was
gonna be either, like you said, the next wife or something.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
The next prisoner or the next wife, the next something.
Because why in the world would he give her the
necklace like there's and the scarf and the scarf. So
maybe he didn't know what he was gonna do with
her yet, but she was on the chopping block for Yeah, she.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Was yeah, mm hmm, yeah, yeah, she was going to
be used for something. Young little Philly maybe she could
take care of it us ce Cilia for me, oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
And she was willing to be ready to be the
new stepmom.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
She show us and I think that may have been it,
like a replacement wife.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
So do we know if he was just killing these
women or doing other things to them? Do we know?
I feel like it wasn't clear. We know he was
killing them.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
We definitely know, you know he used uh Rachel, but
I'm not sure about the other women, to be honest, Yeah,
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
So I'm like, he's just going around just knocking people off,
Like that's crazy. Yeah, Like I can't even wrap my
mind around it. It sounds so oh yes.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
And I mean he'd had nice little conversations with him,
and I was like, oh my god, Yeah, I got
to sit here and listen to your pillow before you
kill me, like.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
The one let the one girls Like He's like, I
have a tenant, I have a child, I have a life.
She's like I do motherfucker god damn fu right, Like
who are you like.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
You just yeah? And that's as like it's the frustration
of you know, like all this.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Picked up energy. My life is a wreck.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Kill kill gil oh, I better stop.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
That was from the other book.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Kill.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
That's what happens when you read so video these books
they all start blending. Yeah, they do, because they all
got the same crazy antics in them. But that is
one thing that is really unique about this book. We
weren't trying to solve a mystery because we knew what
it was. It was really just about the women. And
he was obviously a part of that because we have

(47:00):
had to deal with him, seeing him through the years
doing this to different women. But yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
How he found them and how he came upon them,
and yeah it was.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, but I don't give a care about him at all.
I don't care what happened to him when he was young.
I don't care what triggered this. I don't care any
about it.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
No, no, And I do appreciate that this title it
stuck with, you know, the premise of the book. I
was like, yep, the quiet tenant you know too. And
I know, like at that one moment when the officer
wanted to talk to her at the end and she
could not have you know, her voice, Yes she can

(47:40):
because yeah, because she really didn't talk. She talked to
Cecilia and him. But now all of a sudden, she's
just like, yeah, yeah, I can't imagine how hard Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Mm hmmm, Like I'm actually glad that it cut off
after that because I didn't want to sit through that
that sound.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
No, it was perfect. Yeah, I felt like the ending
was perfect. She ended it well.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
I know some people felt like it was rushed, but
I felt like I didn't feel like it was rushed
because it was like the build up was the entire
the book was The entire book was the build up
of her and her getting to where the ending happened,

(48:32):
you know, her trying to like you said, she had
to find that perfect opportunity, but in her mind, was
it ever really a perfect opportunity?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
That's the thing. There never is. Yeah, there never is.
You just kind of got to go for it. When
you think you have a good shot, m you gotta
go for it.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
And ultimately, like I think, I don't know how realistic
this is for someone who's help prisoner, because I feel
like a lot of women would try to escape so
many times they'd just be killed before you even got
to five years. Because you're gonna take the chance. You know,

(49:15):
if I see the minute he said I'm watching you,
I probably would have tried it. I probably would have
tried it, And I think a lot of women would
have say fuck it all and see what happened.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, because remember he forgot to lock something and she's like,
you forgot and he looked at her like.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
He knew, he knew he did it like that one time.
But we don't know. He could just said, I know,
we don't know. No, he could have just been saying.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Right, just like he said, I got eyes everywhere. I'm
a line, maybe I see everything.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
So I'm like, I don't think. I don't think i'd
be one of those people live five years because I've
been like, I'm not doing this, but I'm a.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Runner, I'm a track.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
I'm every opportunity, every opportunity. Yeah, but she said to survive,
I know, rule number one.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Yeah, I think that's crazy. I mean she had at least,
in my opinion, she had at least three good times
maybe four that she could have tried it. And I
mean one of those is with the judge, you could
try your luck. I tried it.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah, but she was just so patient, which is I
think is so unusual now. And I do know we've
heard real time, real live stories about people who've been
with the kidnappers for a very very long time, Like
was it Jennifer Smart, was that her name who was
with them for a long time or was.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah one of the business Smart?

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Is that the one that was in the like in
the woods and they Yeah, I think that so.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
There were There are people who are with their kidnappers
and rapists for a long time. But I don't think
a lot of people make it that long because they, yeah,
either say I don't want to do this, so they
just give up and die. You know how you can
just you're the body will do it after so many
you know, you start for so long, you just say

(51:11):
fuck it. Or they're trying to escape so hard they
end up being murdered because they don't want to deal
with the headache of trying to keep them. I don't know.
This is a very unique situation, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah. Yeah, I was like, is this based on a
true story?

Speaker 3 (51:27):
But I mean, I, like you said, when you it
could be when you there's so many cases out here
where the women have had opportunities and just waited for
the right time.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Statistically though, and I think the statistic obviously is a
statistic for a reason. A lot of the times they're
dead within twenty four forty eight hours. So this is
an anomaly. It's very unusual. Does not happen often.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah, it was something he saw in her that yeah,
and to move and take her with you.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
But I mean like she talked him into that. M
she said, yeah, h this doesn't have to end. Like
she really tricked him.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Like, I really like you pinning me up to this.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
This this here bar and us having you sitting up
on top of me.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Do it every day on the ground. Yeah, I love
starving to death. Oh it's so fun.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Like it is so crazy.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
She gets in the house, him just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
She getting the house, she get into bed, and then
she like, I need to lay on the floor. I'm like, damn,
that's sad.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah, yeah, especially the first night She's probably it just
felt weird, probably.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yeah, yeah, but I did also, like I guess one
final thing I'll say before we're coming close to time.
But as the time time went on and the circumstances changed,
the author transformed the entry for her chapters. You know,
the woman in the shed, the woman in the truck,

(53:12):
the woman in the car in transit, Yeah, the woman
in the house and then all this. So I think
that was like really kind of thoughtful. How she did that.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah, and this is a French writer in English is
her second language, and she wrote this like wow, yeah,
she did a great job.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
And she was one of the narrators as well.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah she was woman numbers at nine O wow. Yeah, yeah,
and can we talked about the narrators. I didn't know
the difference. I knew it was. I knew it was
a full cast. Sounded the same.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
I knew it was someone different reading the chapters.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
It sounded like a dand it sounded like an and
started the beginning of the chapter.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah, so I know that.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Between Cecilia, but everybody, all the other women just similar.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah. I thought it was just me. I'm like, wait,
this is at the end when they started saying the names,
I'm like what I thought they were going to say
like three names. No.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
I knew just from when I took out the book
and I saw the ner I was like, wow, okay,
But then I was like, only difference I could tell
was Cecilia and the other women.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
That was it. I thought, there's two people. It always
right in the chapter, in the chapter, so I thought
it was Cecilia the chapters and I thought one person
was treating for Rachel and all.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
The other Yeah, so right, three people, but.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Ten I couldn't tell. Mm hmm, that's creepy. I'm like
ten people and I could not. I can only hear
the thing is you paid, you waste your money? Right who?

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, but it was this was I enjoyed this one?

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah? Same, I did too. And at first, like when
I finished it, I didn't know how I felt about
it exactly. It was like this really funny place where
you like, I know that was good, but I don't
really know how to feel about it.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Yeah. That was one of those one you had to
like sit with you for a little bit because it
was like, huh m hm, it was a good one.
But it's like I can't wait for a book club
for this one because I know there's gonna be and
not in I won't even say with book club, but
I just know, like from some of the reviews, a
lot of the people were just like if I was so.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Much, I would have did.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
And I'm like, yeah, that's because you're on the outside
reading this. You're not there, you know, And I know
Emily was frustrating, but then when you start looking at
her character, this is this is an orphan?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
You know she was what she was only twenty two,
twenty three?

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Look in that age and she lost her Look I
comparing that or I know this might be a little
Emily hate, But has she been doing that to a
regular man that is not a psycho stock killer? You'd
be like, girl, they're gonna call the police on your ass?
What are you doing? Right?

Speaker 2 (56:22):
You are in the house then, yeah, especially the house stuff.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, she like take me, kidnap me please? She like
making it easy. I'm like she was.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
She was doing the Meridith great, love me, hug me,
choose me.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Yeah. Like I had a hard time, like feeling bad
for her because I'm like, you are like going toward
the danger you have. Yeah, but she didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, but she didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
The man is not treating you well. He wasn't. She
was obsessed. Yeah, that she was totally after they hooked up.
He was not calling her, he was not he was
not treating her well.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
But let's play Devil's advocate. How many women do you
know that do that?

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Or you see that happens. Men are just trapped, but
they still keep coming, you know what I mean? Like
this is a realistic character. Yes, she is crazy. It
does sound crazy, but it's so realistic. It is so
I mean, you know how many women He treats her
like crap, but she keeps letting him come back. I mean,
we see it all the time, see it all the time.

(57:35):
She was she had lost her parents. She thought she
was about to hit the lotto. The man little girl,
she thought she had the best thing since slice pie.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
This was a young girl in love. I know, did
she This might have been her first love.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I don't know. We didn't get to know enough about her, no,
but we.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Did know that she you know, she she was motherless
and fatherless, running a big ass restaurant by herself.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
But she had her own little self made family that
lived with her. She wasn't a love, but they couldn't
do what Aiden was doing. Girl, Go buy something from
the big people's store. Go buy something from the store.
You be firl, She was like.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Her.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Look and we and I brought him some tikeies. Go
buy some stuff. Rid a romance? You are you okay?

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Right?

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Get out for get out with you? Linda?

Speaker 2 (58:39):
You Wanda, another little fellow take a card.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Out hour or something. I don't know watch a movie.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
But yeah, all I could think, I would hear, you
have this little young girl, this may be her first
real crush and.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Got that young?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Was she like twenty three twenty four?

Speaker 1 (58:59):
I felt like she was a's mid twenties.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
You if you have not had her relationship and here
you got this widower.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
But we don't know that. We don't know the author
didn't give up.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
I don't, but you don't know. But it seemed like
that she was not well versed.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Yeah, she was not experienced. That's that's how she wasn't
talking to like she was a virgin or anything. It
wasn't virginal, you know, when she was sicking up in
the in the closet, the storage closet or the freezer,
what the hell they were doing?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
It was a virginal. Yeah, but it felt like she's
she just thought this was she hit the man lotto.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
He's alignment, he's a widow, normal mention, and he's just
and he just and he just needs someone.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
And I'm that one would be scared of her. But
she woke up.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
After she figured well she ain't figured out, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
And actually the end, to be really honest, I was like,
why are you trying to hug this woman? Like, why
do you feel the need to go and hug her.
I don't understand that part, because you Maraham, you escaped,
you know, you got through. I don't know, like she, I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Felt like she.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Wanted to go to Rachel because I saw you and
I didn't see you like I saw you, but I
saw you as competition and all this time you were
in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Well, it been nice if the author had given us
that from her POV. She didn't. Instead, we got it
from whatever I can't remember Rachel's real name. We got
it from her point of view. May we got it
from her point of view at the end, and they
were both I think making assumptions about each other because
they really didn't actually talk about it, so I don't know.

(01:00:58):
That just seemed kind of odd to me, Like I
guess that very very last scene I didn't love. I'm like,
I don't know what's happening here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
It was kind of I felt like it was closure.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
For Emily, for her to move on, because you know,
she had moved out of this, she sold the business,
she was moving into the city.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I just felt like it was a closure thing for her.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
And almost like an apology, like I'm sorry that I
didn't see what I You know, she knows.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Well she only left because she was embarrassed. She was
because I knew she was chasing that man and he
told me to be a serious feeling and a rapist.
So now you embarrassed and make mistakes, okay. But she
didn't have to pack up and leave it. If that's
how she really left, she had come on now she felt,

(01:01:57):
so she left.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
They were, she was about to be It was a circus.
They were coming to the restaurant to see her. I
would left to fuck all y'all leave.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Then leave that woman alone. I mean, I think that
may slash. Rachel was very gracious to give you that
because she didn't owe you shit nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
No, so no, but I mean Emily didn't do anything
bad to her, to be honest, she didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
No, she didn't. She didn't do anything to her. But
she didn't do anything for her either. She didn't know
I know. And that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
It's like, so Rachel, she's probably just like thinking in
her hair, like God, damn, why I didn't realize that
this woman was in need?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Even if they wanted to be like, dang, we both
had to deal with this man. It wasn't in the
same way you chased him. I was prisoner. We are
not the same.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Oh yeah, definitely so and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Again I know what the author was going for, but
that moment didn't really hit from me, okay, because there
wasn't enough groundwork for me to make me feel like
she needed that that. Emily needed that comfort from the
person that was held prisoner. Yeah, she didn't go to
offer comfort, she goes, she went to get comfort comfort,

(01:03:26):
And I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Okay, I can see when you say it that way. Okay,
I'll go. I'll go for that one. I will.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
But you know that's just my little two cents, that's
your two and I see it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah. Yeah, so again Emily straight though, be on somebody's
couch quick immediately. Yeah, do not pass go no, all right?
Should we rate it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Yes? Please?

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Okay, you go first.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Gave it a four?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
All right, same, it's a strong yes. The only thing
that could have made this better is if the pacing
was a little There's two things that could have made
it better. If the pacing was a little faster. This
was kind of a slower one, and if the narrators
were better.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Yeah, Yeah, the pacing was slow because there were certain
times where I just like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Doze out, I just like zone out, like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Because it was like the voices were very monotonous, you know,
just like yeah, there was no.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
So yeah, the and I felt like that too, Like
I wonder if this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Came over better in print, Yeah, I might have, yeah,
but but yeah, it was a solid four.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
She did a The structure just it was it was great.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Yeah, it was very unique in that way. So I
wonder she's writing something else. I think i'd give another try.
I think I think she is well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
I know she has other books, but I don't know
if anything is like newer than this one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yeah, I would too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I would give her another try because maybe somebody has
told her, hey, your pace, just pick up the pace.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
But I do get the reason why the pacing was
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Yeah, I just hope that she doesn't have another huge
cast of audiobook people and then they're not. Actually they
missed the opportunity. They could have did some of the
You know how sometimes you get a little what do
you call it, like the real almost like an audio
drama like feeling. They have some opportunities to do a

(01:05:38):
few things. They could have threw a man in there
speaking for Aiden. I don't know, they kind of just
missed a couple of things. They could have made that
audio a lot better.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Yeah, especially when you have that many women that are
speaking in second pop m hm, because you know, like
there's a variety of women that I mean, Grandaday probably
is all. Wait, I don't know now, wait now, one
of them did sound like they had an accent, now
that I kind of remember, but it didn't stand out

(01:06:11):
much because if you think about it, their chapters are
so short. But I think one of them did sound
like they may have had an accent, but it wasn't memorable.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
That could have just been someone with you know, one
of the Yeah remember that, I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Mean, accent could be you know, just from but you
know what, he was probably only killing an upstate but
that doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
But any who, A four, Yeah you get before too.
It was enjoyable.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Yeah, same, So yay, that was pretty good. Yay end
of the year. As to say, way to end the year.
Mm hmm. Yeah. So that is it for our buddy
reads for the year. But we are going to do
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