#FantasySeries Review 'Daughter of No Worlds' | Book Chat - Shelf Addiction Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, booklovers, Welcome back to shelf Addiction, the podcast where
we dive deep into the pages of thriller and fantasy reads.
I'm your host Tamara, and today we are discussing the
first book in the adult romantic fantasy trilogy, The War
of the Lost Heart, entitled Daughter of Noteworlds. Oh my god,
that is a mouthful.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
That is a mouthful.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
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I am thrilled to welcome back my fantasy series Bestye
and co host Casey from Heart full of Ink. Welcome back, Casey.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Hello, Hello, I'm so excited to be here with me.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yay, you think it's gonna be a fun one today?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yes? Yes, always I mean, it's always fun with us.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
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you for doing that. But before we jump into it,
we're gonna break protocol today because I have.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
To tell you, guys, Oh, this is new to me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
So something happened to me a couple of days ago,
and I've been thinking about it every day since it's
so weird and I want to know if I'm like
overthinking it or not. Okay, we'll start. So I'm at
Meyer on Friday, have my Majong night on Friday night,
and I go to Meyer to pick up some flowers

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and some other stuff. Anyway, I'm leaving and I leave
out the exit and I see this truck pull up
and as I cross across the road, it kind of
like crosses into the same aisle as me and parks.
No big deal, but you know you just noticed cars
where this dude gets out of the car as I

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passed his truck. He's like facing me and I have
my headphones in. I have my headphones in and he
says something to me, and I pause. And look at him,
and I think I paused longer than I should have
because I thought he looked like someone I used to
work with. But then I was like, no, he's not
anyone I know. And he says something again. I took

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out my headphone, like what and he goes, your flowers
are pretty and I was like, oh, thank you, because
you know they're in the top part of my car.
And then he says, so I got some flowers earlier
from XYZ. I couldn't even remember the place, he said.
And I'm just looking at him and he's like, do

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you want to see and he points inside his truck
where the door is open. I said no, absolutely not.
I received to quickly walk away, and then I was like, fuck,
did I almost just get kidnapped? Yes? I was like,
what the hell is this? And I sat in my

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car like what just happened? What just happened?

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Almost kidnapped?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
I didn't cat. I'm like, do you do I look
like a twelve year old? Let me go look at
look at the flies in your truck? What? Oh my god.
I was like tripping. I was like, I got oh
my god. I got home. I told Kevin, I said,
I think I was almost kidnapped. Did you not go
anywhere by yourself? I'm like, I don't know what the

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hell happened. I don't. I don't that vibe, and that's
kind of thing never happens to me. And the crazy
part is I just got finished, literally the day before,
seeing this poor girl being dragged into a truck kicking
and screaming online like they had it on camera, and
this guy was dragging her like she was like fighting
for her life to get away in broad daylight. And

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this is broad daylight.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
It was like ten am, Oh my god, Oh my god, No,
this is terrifying.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
So I wasn't tripping. I was not.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
No, No, it's either my anxiety is really high or
that there's one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
My heart rate. I was like. At first, I was
like no, and I just walked away. And then soon
as I got my Carl was like, what the hell
was that? And I was like, oh my god. And
then when I looked back, he did go into the mire.
He did go in, and my one fok for somebody else.
That's what my other friend said. She said he went
in to see if he could try to stone out

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someone else.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
M h oh shit I mean, I hear horror stories
like that, but at Walmart around here.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, like, no, that's terrifying. That has never happened to me.
Before I was I was like, am I tripping? Do
I watch listen to too much true crime? Did I
see too many bad videos? I never? I'm like, that
is weird.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
That's crazy, that is absolutely crazy. Yeah, you were. You
were almost human trad.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
And I was like, I laugh about it now, but
I was like in shock. I was like, yeah, happened.
What just happened? What was seriously?

Speaker 2 (05:20):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (05:22):
So? Okay, y'all tell me, tell me. Do you think
what we think happened happened? Or are we tripping? Do
we are we watching too much TV? Seeing too much
true crime? If something like this happened to you, what
would you do? Would you? And the thing is I
think I was low key. I didn't scream or run.
I just said no and like.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Walked on a smart thing to do. If you'd been like, hey,
I have a bunch of free books, you want to
check it out, I'd be like, what kind of books?
What the books do you have?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Maybe I need some? Are they prayed?

Speaker 2 (05:57):
And then I kidnapped and you'd never seen me again.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
But he wasn't even he wasn't even cute, so it
couldn't even be like the dark romance. He was not cute,
but he was bigger than me, though. I was like,
oh shit, yeah, bigger than me. Oh it got me
fucked up. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
You either have to liae for cry.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
You have to laugh for cry and yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah that's my story time because I'm like, what the hell?
And then this morning, so I'm like, this must be
the weekend for Randos to talk to me in the
parking lot. Hm, because this morning, as I'm leaving the gym,
another dude in a truck, he'd like, I see him
get out of his truck and I'm walking toward my

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car and we're walking opposite directions, and he starts to
slow down. I'm like, oh my god, I say something
to me, and I think he was seeing if I
was getting into the car that I was getting into,
and I was. And then as soon as I touched
my door handle, he says, excuse me, can I ask
you a question about your car? I'm like, oh, oh
Jesus Christ, no, And so I answered two of his

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questions and then I kind of gave him this look.
He's like, oh, I'm sorry to you know, and I said, Okay,
have a good one, and I leave because I'm like,
I'm not a salesperson for this fucking car. I barely
can stand it anymore. I was trying not to, you know,
I'm like, this is no, I have not been asked
about this car in like over a year. Yeah, don't
ask me about this fucking car, yead, because I'll go off,

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you know, if you know, you know that's almost said.
But I'm like, what is this talk to me in
the parking lot kind of weekend that never happens.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
That's so creepy.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
That's so creepy, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad you're safe and you did not
get into the mince Truk to look at his fin flowers, because.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh my god, all I can think is like, what
if I were an idiot and I walked over there
and that guy like get over the head or something.
I fucked up right now? I just oh my god,
and no, no, oh my god, that's wild. That is
some stuff you see on TV. Yeah, or jokes, Oh

(08:20):
my god, I look like an idiot. You must you
must think, oh my god, they try Is that.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
That? That's just.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
No?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, I'm very glad you're safe. Thank you, Me.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Too, Me too. Okay, Now I got that off my chest.
Feel free to leave comments, let it let me know
you know what you think. It's a great time for
you to get some things off your chest too, if
you've been approaching a crazy way, because that was crazy.
All right, So let's jump into today's topic.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
But before we begin, as always with book chats, I
want to remind you that we discuss full spoilers here,
so spoiler alert you have been warned. Today we are
discussing Daughter of No Worlds, written by Carrissa Broadbent. The
audiobook is narrated by Esther Wayne and Dan Colly. First
published January seventh, twenty twenty, by Carissa Broadbent, and later

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the audiobook was published by Tandor Audio. The e book
is five hundred and twenty pages. The unabridged audio is
fifteen hours and thirty two minutes. Casey, would you kindly
share the synopsis.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Before I do? How do we pronounce her name?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
What was the real pronunciation?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Let me look at the spelling again. Because I just
got finished listening to her name, Tasana.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
There is Sanna okay yeah, a former slave fighting for justice,
a reclusive warrior who no longer believes it exists, and
a dark magic that will entangle their fates. Ripped from
a forgotten homeland as a child, to Sanna learned how
to survive with nothing but a sharp wit and a
touch of magic. But the night she tries to buy
her freedom, she barely escapes with her life. Desperate to

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save the best friend she left behind, to Sauna journeys
to the Orders, the most powerful organizations of magic wielders
in the world. But to join their rank, she must
complete an apprenticeship with Max. How do we say his name?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Honestly? The couple of times they said his whole name,
I'll say to what? And now it's just like Max.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
To Max, a handsome and reclusive fire wielder who despises
the Orders. The Order's intentions are cryptic and to Sana
must prove herself under the threat of looming war. But
even more dangerous are her growing feelings for Max. The
bloody past he wants to forget may be the key
to her future or the downfall to both of them.

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But Tsana will stop at nothing to save those she's abandoned,
even if it means gambling in the Order's deadly games,
even if it means sacrificing her heart, even if it
means wielding death itself.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Okay, yay, So I do want to say I did
try it take a stab out his name. I think
it's Maxentarius, Maxentarius, that sounds right. I just it's just
too much.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
It's just too much. His name is Max. Yeah, we're
just sticking with Max.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yes, we are, okay, high level as we do. What
did you think? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
You have very mixed feelings about this book really, Yeah.
I can't really decide how I feel.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Okay, I didn't expect that.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I know I didn't either. Normally like, I have very
strong feelings, but this time, I'm just like, I don't know.
I don't love it, but I don't hate it.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Okay, that's usually how I feel. I think I am
looking forward to the second installment, although I'm still kind
of not clear exactly what happened right at the end there.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, that was a little confusing.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, I'm like, what who will be dead? Did I
miss something? Is a queen.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Was that the queen's name?

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Was that the queen's name? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I'm like, what was the letter two main names? Yeah,
I feel like it's the queen, but I'm I'm I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Okay. So I thought the ending was a little lackluster,
but I thought the book was good, better than I thought.
But I also think even though we read a sample
of this before, or at least I did, I swear,

(12:43):
I thought this was supposed to be have vampires in
it or some shit, And I'm like, I'm like, what
is this. I don't know where I got that from.
I thought there was some vampires or something in here,
and clearly no doork there were not, So I never

(13:04):
higher so about like for I just have to just
change what I was thinking about. I'm like, what are
you waiting on? Because I think you have this wrong.
It's not this book.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I guess I must want a.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, because I read a few vampires. But and I'm
confusing him. And that's actually what I thought when I
started this book. I said, where is the book where
XYZ happened? And I'm like, wait, what book was that?
So I was looking for something specific to happen and
that wasn't this book, and so it was a sample
from something else and I could not remember what it was.

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And I still don't remember what it was. So I'm like,
i'd have to go back and try to figure out
what it was to read what I think I wanted
to read. I don't know. I I messed up somehow,
but I oughtkay that book and it's not. I'm like, okay, well.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
It worked out.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Though I still liked it though.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, no, it's a really it's a good book. It's
well written, it's exciting, it's very dark and twisted. I
don't know, I just I couldn't really care about any
of the characters, like Toasana. Yeah, I'm glad she's fighting
for her freedom and the freedom of for everybody. But
also I'm just I was weirdly bored. Really, I was,

(14:22):
I don't know why. Like there was a lot going on,
and I was like, there's just something about this book
is not hooking me.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Oh, I like it.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
This was a personal objectively yeah, like it hits all
the right things, that hits all the right notes, but
it just was not working for me.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
So now I really want to dive deep because please
go for it. Unusual for you, I know, it's so
unusual usually we're in the opposite scene. I'm like, I
don't know, just not going work.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's me right now. I don't I
can't pinpoint it. Like there were a couple of plot
holes that I can talk about in a minute, but like,
for the most part, I don't know why this didn't
work for me.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Hmmm, so please please? Well okay, So honestly, I kind
of like if it it started out kind of rough,
because you know, we had to see what Tossana was
running away from to really, I guess, care about her

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motives for doing things and not listening to Max and
going against like logic, you know, I guess we had
to really understand, and I think the author did a
good job doing that. And I was kind of jarred
by like the lashing the girl got.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh yeah, no, it's like bloody and violent.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
And yeah, I mean she's a slave, like literally something like,
oh no, that was horrible. That seems pretty bad. Yeah.
There are definitely only some dark themes going on here,
which I also liked because it was actually an adult book.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yes, I did like that, because you know, Max is
close to thirty, if not over thirty at this point.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, it's hard to tell how old he is. I'm like,
did they tell us? And I don't remember. I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I think he was twenty ish in the prologue mm hmm.
And it's been eight years, so he's twenty eight. But
I was trying to age him up a little bit
because I feel like twenty is kind of young to
be in that leadership position. So I was like, maybe
he was twenty two.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Well, you know, he's been the minute he had a
chance to join. He joined, and he was like trying
to be the best he could be, so he felt.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
But also he was a teenager when he was so light.
Let's let's look at that. It's gonna take a few
years for him to raise through the ranks, even if
he's trying to be as good as possible.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
And she she's like twenty one, right, she's twenty one, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
So, which thank goodness because I thought she was younger
than that. And then and then they were like, oh,
I'm twenty one. I was like, oh, thank god. Yeah,
it's not better, but it's slightly better.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, she was a slave for what eight years.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
So she was thirteen when she was taken, yeah, which
I thought she was like seven or eight when she
was taken, and I thought that was really I was like,
really freaked out by that prologue.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
I mean, it's still bad, because really bad.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Not forgiving any of that, but thirteen is marginally better
than seven.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, because they actually had the nerve to say I
guess she was trying to, I guess say why the
guy who bought her wasn't so bad and like, oh,
he waited a few years before he came from you know,
to get something from me like that. But I'm like, girl,
you were still like fifteen or something like huh.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
But even this slaver, the slaver who took her, yeah,
took her right away and then sold her. So she
got raped at thirteen.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
And then she's like doing things and dancing and doing
all this other stuff and horrible. It was horrible. It
was I'm actually surprised she didn't have more trauma from that.
She's surprisingly yeah that.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I was like, you should have extensive trauma. I know,
this is a magical fantasy world and a fantasy book,
and we want to have joy, but also you're gonna
be traumatized.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, yeah, and it seemed to only take like, what
six months for her to get over it. That's how
long before her emax had cooked up, Like six months
or something, Yeah, something like that, from the time she
arrived there to the end of the story, six or
seven months.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I think it was six months. H y fast for trauma.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
But I guess she's able to put it into a
box and put that box on the shelf kind of thing,
mm hmm, because it seems like the biggest issue she
has in regards to trauma from that was the last
situating Yeah, because that comes back again, But the other
things don't. So like other things that happened to her

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were not you know, in her mind.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
She talked about it at one point, how it was weird.
He was like her protector, lover and father wrapped in one,
and so she had good feelings about him, even though
he was evil and was doing all of these terrible
things to her. And it wasn't always terrible in her

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mind because he kind of filled that father whole because
he was sixty while she was a teenager.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, and he treated her so like she pretty much said,
like a pet, you know how you treat your pet. Well,
you get your pet, toys, you play with your pet.
It's all good. Into your pet trust to like have independence.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yes, until your pat comes in and says, I have
a thousand coins.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah yeah, And then he's like, don't forget who you are.
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
That that was a joke, not a challenge.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
So she did this the first time. You know, she
tried to buy her freedom and it was like ha
ha ha, he laughed it off. It was like, no, bro,
you're gonna need a thousand coins or whatever, not fifty.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
And you know when she actually gets the money, oh
my god, the guy flips out. I don't think he
actually think it.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Was possible, because you know, men in power don't ever
think anything like that as possible for women.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
No, and actually women too. I've read other books where
there's like a madam or something and it's like they
don't expect you to be able to get out of
it either. No one does.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Nobody does.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
She did, and then she ended up killing the man
trying to which she should have killed him. She should
have did it sooner too, before she got all those
things on her back, because honestly, so she made this
long trip and I didn't realize the trip was so long,
but she's like bleeding and like getting infection. She made
this long trip all the way to what was the

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name of the orders, the Order's door. I don't know
what land they were in, I can't remember. But she
gets all the way there and she's like asking for
her friend. Yeah, I don't know what's his name? I
keep forgetting the names.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
There are too many names. I don't remember anybody's names.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Okay, So this guy who had been seeing her like
kind of grow up in captivity, who tells her about
the order and kind of encourages her if you can
make your way there, Hey, sure you're fragmented, but they'll
take you. She thinks she's going to like get this help.

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And then we find that this guy's.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Like in charge, he's like the ruler and could have
gotten her out years ago but didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
What does that say about him? Mm hmmm, you just
left her there, which Max gets very angry about, as
he should.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
She should be mad about that too.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Mm hmm. Yeah. So she goes, she makes her way there.
She is like almost on death's door. They do heal her,
but she's almost gone, and then she starts her journey.
You know, she is insistent to join the order. She
wants to take people back there and free the slaves,
and she's got no time to waste. They're like, oh wait,
people start training here when they're like ten and you're old.

(22:44):
You're old.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
That was funny that, yah, Like there are little bits
of this story that I did enjoy and like that
was really funny where they're like, yeah, no, you're really old.
And then you know, she meets the friend and his
little guy who's like twelve, and she's like, yes, now
I have to train with the twelve year olds.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, so Marian I think his name is. So, he's
like the healer friend and who's training this little kid
that's so clumsy and he's just breaking stuff all over
Max's house. He's like, you can't come in. He's gonna
stay outside.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Honestly, I thought it was hilarious that it was finally
like a twelve year old boy who's clumsy, because it's
always girls who were clumsy everywhere all the time. But
now it's like, okay, no, it's a little boy who's clumsy.
Thank goodness for swapping gender roles here.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, that was actually good and he this little kid
is cute and like, obviously he's gonna be in the
books again later. We know this. I feel like he's
gonna be around growing up. I think there's gonna be
a time jump, if I have to guess, I hope.
So yeah, but yeah, I liked I liked the training
stuff with Max.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I thought the training was intense, yeah, but didn't take
up the whole book.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
So remember when we were talking about Shield and Sparrow.
I think that's it how we were like, or at least,
I was like, Yay, she's training because she was weak before,
and like this is realistic and legitimate. But it took
the whole damn book for her to like get anywhere
with it, and that was really boring. Thankfully, here, No,

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it is six months of training, it's realistic, and it
wasn't too boring. Like there was enough other external stuff
going on that it wasn't terrible.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, Like you know, they had that little side quest
they went on when her training wasn't even done yet.
She hadn't even taken her test mm hmm. You know,
she got to show her power do somethings, and she
hadn't even taken her test yet at that point, So
there were some things that kind of moved forward with
that instead of like we're doing the same thing making
butterflies day in and day out.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yes, yes, no, she was making butterflies the whole time.
I would have hated this book more, but it was
it was an interesting balance of like, Okay, let's test
the skill, let's work on this skill. The one night
where she was like, I'm gonna do this until I
can't do this and he was like, okay, I'll stay
with you, and then even he was like, no, I'm

(25:19):
going to bed, good night.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, she does stuff and she wants to keep going
until like she passes out basically, and he's like, nah,
you need to sleep, you need rest. I'm done, I'm
tapping out. Actually, you know the one thing I wish
I and they could have the author could have done it,
and I just didn't notice it because I felt like,
obviously there was gonna be a connection between to Sonna

(25:45):
and Max pretty quickly, but I had no clue what
that man looked like. No clue, And I'm like, okay,
so I guessed at the age based on what they said,
but we obviously know what she looks like, because there
are always telling that's what she looks like, because you
know what a fright.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
He had care and that first interaction and that was
pretty much it. Okay because imagine a man with black
hair the whole time.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
That's fair. But I just couldn't like in the beginning,
I was like, is he old or not?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I couldn't tell you that. That was hard to tell.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, I don't know. I just wish there was more
description description of him, especially because literally I checked the
time the marker, it was like fifty six percent. Geez,
we get a surprise, and then we switched povs. That
was the first time Max gets a chapter. It was
like fifty six percent into the phone.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
It was forever before we got into his head. But like,
I didn't realize it was that far.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I didn't expect to get that at all because it
took so long. I'm like, oh, we're changing.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I know, I know, usually it's alternating chapters, but obviously,
like the beginning was so dedicated to her, and then
when she was training with him, I was like, Okay,
this would be the time to start getting into his
point of view, and she didn't. So yeah, that's why

(27:12):
I was surprised it took so long.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, once it did switch, I think that kicked up
my engagement a little more, especially with the audiobook, because
the voice changes. We get a male narrator, which I like.
So I'm like, oh, that really like changes things and
changes the you know, just the vibe. When you hear
a completely different tone, it's like, oh, absolutely, what's happening here?

(27:39):
So that was good, I think. So I maybe the
author could have started that a little sooner, That's.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
What I think. Yeah, maybe I would have been more
invested in him if I was in his head sooner.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Especially if we could have seen that Tassana thinks he's hot,
Like could she have said something. It's like she was
really low key about everything, and then all of a sudden,
it's like you could tell they kind of liked each other.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
But then she did that one flirty like what was
it in the middle of the night where she's like, oh,
do you have sex? Or like do you have complaints
about sex? And he was like that came out of
left field and no complaints?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, she I don't know. I guess that's how the
author chose to show us that she was interested in him.
And then other than the being that was put inside
of her saying she's like a horny person. It was
all about sex. You just want being called out by
the magical thing being put inside your head. Okay, hmm.

(28:51):
But I wanted a little more leading into that kind
of relationship stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Same, I guess, same. Yeah, No, I wanted By the end,
I understood why they loved each other and it was
really solidified by the end. But I would have liked
a little bit more on the front end too.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, like again, because we get his voice. I wanted,
And that's one thing that I think. I guess this
would be classified as a romance to see technically, even
though it was like really slow burn, it was a lot.
It was really slow, and I'm okay with slow burn. Yeah,
I don't want to good, but I needed something to

(29:31):
hook me to Max, you know what I'm saying, Like
to just grab me and make me understand what is
so great about him? And in general he was a
good character. He really didn't do anything wrong, not really,
m He's like a good guy from beginning to end.
Like you know, sometimes they act real stupid and mess up.

(29:52):
I don't think he did anything bad.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
No, he never really messed up at all.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
No, but yeah, I wanted more. I wanted I wanted
to lust over what the character was lusting over. So
show me something to lust over. And that's what was
missing for me.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
For Max, you mean, you don't like grumpy, broody teacher
who you have to stare at from afar and like
slowly growed to love.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
No, I guess a teacher student doesn't really work for me.
I guess. I don't know, train or trainee. I don't know,
because at first I was like, well, that's definitely like
a romance tool. I guess that kind of dynamic. But
there wasn't any like I guess there was after she

(30:42):
wore that red dress. He was all about her after
that dress.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
That was a scene. That was a fun scene.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, she wears this red dress to this like party.
I guess it's a party, I guess, and it has
her back out. So she's like, Oh, I'm about to
show these scars and make these people acknowledge me. And
I'm would tell them mmmm all about where I'm from
and what happened to me. And she's like, I'm going
to force them to.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Care about slaves now.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yes, yeah, yeah she did that like all night talking
to everyone like she's not scared at all. But then
they had their little interlude away, so I'm like, oh cute.
I like them.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah. I appreciated the fact that it was the red
dress on the cover. Yeah, Like that's one of the
few times where an author like really like hones this
point in where she's like, this is the dress. This
is the dress she's wearing, and it's on the cover.
Look at it. Yeah, we can't really see her scars

(31:48):
on the cover.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
No, they're not really there at all. I would have
liked to see them mm hmmm, because supposedly they're so grotesque,
like you know, you can't unsee it, like when you've
been like whipped like that, you're gonna see.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
It should be visible, and I kind of wish it
was more visible on the cover.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, because I mean that's part of what makes her stronger,
you know, and that's a deeply a reason for you know,
why she's doing what she's doing. It's a part of her.
It should have been visible. She had that sword that
Max had gotten for her mm hmm on the cover,
So I don't see like he's he is a good guy.

(32:28):
He's like, let me go get her weapons. Let me
go get her medicine, some.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Good weapons, Let's get her some drugs and everything she needs.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, he's like a little caretaker like you know, and
he hates all of that stuff. He hates the war,
he hates the order, he hates all of it for
good reason, which we reason later. Yeah, but he's like,
I care about you now, so I'm in. He's a
good guy. I just wish she had a little something,

(33:00):
a little something more, a little bit more something something. Yeah. Okay, Actually,
I think this is a good time to take a break.
We still have a lot of things to talk about this.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, there's a lot of things going on, so there's
a lot more pot points to discuss, motivations, et cetera.
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(33:31):
we'll be right back. Okay, welcome back. Yeah, how about
you tell me something that you did not like?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Okay, so here's I don't remember anybody's name, so please
forgive me. When they bring the guard back, for the
first time. I want to say his name. His name
is not Gus, but that is the name in my brain.

(34:07):
But he was the one who like let her escape
at the very beginning. And then they rescue him and
they bring him in and like his nose had been
chopped off, his face had been grotesquely chopped up, like
he was tortured horribly. He was rightfully angry, and he

(34:28):
was like, I sang like a canary. I named you,
I named your best friend. I said everything like I
say like a canary. I gave them the truth. Y'all
are fucked. And then we get to her best friend
at the very end, and he was like, yeah, no,
nothing happened. I've just been doing the same old thing. Yeah,
I was just a soldier. Nobody tortured me, nobody questioned me.

(34:53):
Nothing happened. And I was like, they should have tortured
him a little bit. Yeah, that's strange, Like that's I
wonder if the author forgot that she had the one
guy say that he's sang like a canary, or if
she just didn't. I don't know, like that was I

(35:15):
don't think of that. But you're right, because her friends
shouldn't have been questioned, tortured, possibly you know, thrown into
prison for a while, but he just got to keep
doing his duties. He went to war like it was
terrible for him, but it wasn't. It was normal terrible,

(35:35):
not torture, lose your nose terrible.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, he should have had something taken from him, something
bad should have happened to him. You should have lost
his rank, he should have had his nose chopped off something.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And then like the healers could have healed him here
the way they healed the other guy, Like it could
have been bad, but healed. But it just wasn't. And
I like, I don't know, I expected him to be
part of a trap or they're like bait the friend
and be like hey, come get your friend and then
but no, none of that happened. He was just you know,

(36:12):
standing in the corner like still a soldier. And I
don't know that was that was just like the biggest
plot hold in me.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, it is weird. And then it's like when they
came back together, it was literally like sleepover. Yeah, we're
just sleepover.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
We're laughing, we're giggling, everything's happy. And I was like
he should have been tortured. You guys should have should
be you know, crying and holding each other and happy,
but not like, yeah, so odd, this was Yeah, that
was a thread that I was like, this needs to
be fixed.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
She did do all the things to try to get
back to him, to save him because he put himself
out there for her, which I like that, but I
agree with you there should have been something bad that happened.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
To him because he was the soldier on duty who
was supposed to be protecting his master when his master
got murdered. Yeah, so like he wasn't questioned at all,
He wasn't tortured at all, He didn't have his nose
chopped off at all like that. No, no bad shit

(37:25):
should have happened to him.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I still don't quite understand how they assume that she
murdered him. So I know it's just time. It must
just be the timing, because she did there was money
in there. Yeah, she did pay him off. Who's to
say he wasn't murdered.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
After they They didn't really, not until she started using
her magic there at the end. Okay, Like when she
was with the One Eyed Son, he was like, it's
not possible for you to do it. It must have
been somebody else. But also I was just using it
as an excuse to kill everybody. But also, you're just
a little whore because you know misogyny.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Oh god, not the whore. I was like, oh it
what But that was interesting? But yeah, I don't know.
I just it seemed like she was running because she
thought she was going to get caught. But I'm like,
they didn't even.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
But also like it was her time to escape. If people,
I mean, she could have stayed and then you know,
maybe the son would have come and not honored his
dad's whatever whatever the promise of, like IOY paid you
one thousand, like get gone. So now I feel like

(38:39):
hers was just like this is the timing to escape
and get gone now. And that's why she left, not
necessarily because people would have known she killed him immediately.
If she had stayed, they might have put it together
because she had magic. But otherwise that's my theory.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Okay, that makes sense. I don't know. I was just like,
I guess there was. I was kind of unsatisfied with
that as well.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, no, it was definitely unsatisfying.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah hmm, Okay, what other issues that make this meth?
For you? Or that you don't know how you feel
about it.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I understand why she wanted to save everybody, and she's like,
I can't be selfish. I need to do this, I
need to do that. But at the same time, I
kept thinking, they're all dead, Like, your mother's definitely dead,
everybody from your hometown is dead. Your friend is probably
being tortured. I was wrong, but I was like, he's

(39:40):
probably being tortured and or murdered because you know these
are bad guys, they're going to kill him.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
It just.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yes, she needed to save people, but at the same time, like, realistically,
they're dead, so why are you pushing yourself and again
you have to be here for six months before you
can go back, and and the blood packed that she made.
I did not understand why they bent so easily to

(40:12):
everything she said. They're just like, oh, yeah, you want
this done, we're writing it down. You want this done,
We're writing it down. And I was like, why, why
That doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
I thought that too, because her list was long.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
It was long, and they didn't fight over it. They
didn't argue with it. They didn't be like, Okay, we'll
give you this for that, or yes, we'll give you this,
but it can only be like that. Like it just
it felt weird that he was like, Okay, yes, give
me your entire list of everything, and it's three pages
of stuff that you want and.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Done, which makes me wonder if there's a way for
him to get out of it.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
That's I was wondering too, until the epilogue when he
was like, I'm happy we have a blood pack because
now she can't hurt me. YEA, was that your game
plan all along.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Just to make sure that she just can't hurt it
can't hurt him.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Maybe I don't know. It just the whole no impact
thing felt weird. There are way too many characters for
me to keep track of. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Like that. I just think you didn't care about those characters.
I didn't, and that's why you couldn't keep track of
them because we've read books with a lot of characters.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Have I edited books with way more characters? I don't know.
There's just something about this book where it just I
didn't hate it, but I just did not like it,
and I could not keep any track of anything.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
So also, I think, and I hate to say this,
but maybe it has something to do with the names
as well.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Pably so.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
And yes it works for some books, right, some books
that characters have odd names, and it kind of somehow
the story is strong enough that we learned the names
and carry on, right, Yeah, you know, it works with
a guitar. It works with the BDB series. They have
odd names. We just learned them and carry on.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
H is in every name.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
I don't know all the other names. They're fine, but
they kind of just they're not great.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, the names weren't great. The character development just wasn't there,
like they I don't know. None of the characters really
popped out to me. None of them really stand out
except for the twelve year old who knocks everything over,
But like, no other character really grabbed me, because you know,
sometimes the secondary characters are there and you love them

(42:39):
and it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
But I can't even think of what the twelve year
old's name.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Don't either, I don't remember his name. I just remember
that he knocks stuff over, and he's the only one
that I really remember because of that.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Hmmm, I don't know what to make of that, because
I I think this is making my rating go down,
Like the more we talk about it, because when like
my initial reaction when I finished the book was like,
you know, oh that was pretty good. I'm curious to

(43:14):
see what's next. But now that I'm like actually trying
to as we're digging into it a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
And thinking about it and questioning things and trying to
remember things.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
We're with these characters for two more books. God, two
more no so I And actually, after I finished this,
I said, oh, you know what I forgot? There was
a prequel, And I went to look at the prequel,
and it's Max's story. It's his story, and I actually said, God.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Of him, like murdering his family.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I don't know. I didn't read the synopsis. It just
says Max Sentarius is a skilled magic wielder and a
military rising star, but in Terrible Night, he has learned
that the Glory is bloodier than he ever could imagine.
Blah blah blah. So this might just be him dealing

(44:11):
with the entity as well.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
But also I feel like I got enough of that
in the book with the flashbacks, Like with the prologue,
we saw that night happen with the flashbacks, and you know,
the memory of her watching him kill his family and
all of that like, I don't want to see that again.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Well, we might get that situation of him gaining that
like snakelike creature.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
But that was when they were trying to take it
out of him.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Right, That's a part of his story before she gets there.
That's still a part of his pre story.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I don't know. I'm not invested enough to want to
read it. Somebody tell me if it's worth it.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, I don't. I I was curious about it, but
now I'm not as much. I don't know. I feel
like overall it's I still think it's good, but it's
not perfect. It's not close. It needs a lot, but

(45:14):
it's it's it still needs some work though. Yeah, I
don't know. Just and I wonder if that's, like, you know,
with the naming and stuff. I wonder if that's just
because people think that sometimes when you're in a fantasy
with a made up world, you have to go for
these you know, extravagant kind of different names. And yeah,

(45:40):
so the lands have different names, that people have different names.
The magic Okay, so I did kind of like the
magic system, but also it wasn't really clear and.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I was worried that was just me kind of skimming
through things, I was like, am I missing something?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Let's okay? So yeah, we're having a hard time recording
over here.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
At this yay technologystem.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
The internet is like unstable for this what our recording device?
So I hate to do that. We usually don't do that,
but I guess we should kind of wrap it up.
So do you have any like final comments about this
book before we rate it now?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Honestly, her best friend not getting tortured was my biggest complaint.
The rest of it, I just feel very meh about, Like, Okay,
I didn't hate this book at all. You know, normally
when I hate books, I will rant about them forever.
Now I'm just like, I don't know, it was fine,
it was okay. It was a book.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, okay, so sad, Yeah that is sad. I kind
of wonder you think it was timing a little bit too.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
It could be timing. Everything is crazy over here because
life is lifing, So it could be that. It could
just be me. It could just be I don't vibe
with this book. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
I just nah, okay. So for me, I think, you know,
I was okay with some of the themes. You know,
we were trying to talk about trauma a little bit,
healing a little bit, power a lot, a lot of
the stories about power and control. You know, it's a
lot of dark themes.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Now.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I was okay with that. The romantic art was slow,
but ultimately I was okay with it. At the end,
I kind of root for them. So there were things
to like, and after Casey pointed out several things, there
were things to not like.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yep, so.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
I'm still invested. I want to see what happens next.
I'm hoping for a small time jump. Mm hmm, I'm
hoping for I don't know. I think this was kind
of fast pace. I got it done pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I mean, yeah, no, it was fast paced. There wasn't
a action. There was good balance between the emotional trauma
and action and bad stuff and good stuff like that
checked a lot of the boxes and it was a
good book. It just wasn't for me.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
So I give it three stars.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Three stars. Okay, I'm actually going to give it four stars,
so because we don't do halves, I round it up
and four stars it is. So I am pretty excited
about getting a four star read, even though it's great
for you. Yeah, even though, like you know, nothing is perfect.
But it's definitely got me feeling a little bit more

(48:42):
cautious about the second book. Now.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I hope the second book is better. I hope I'm
more invested in it.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, the second book could just be amazing, it could
be all the things. It could just get better and
better as we go, or it can go downhill as
we go and we don't know what we're gonna get in.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Pat That's both happen in different series that we've read
over the years.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah, so that is kind of nerve wracking. So we'll
just have to read it and see. Yes, Okay, so
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(49:29):
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