Serial Killer Romance - Reviewing Tourist Season | Book Chat - Shelf Addiction Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Welcome Casey.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Hello, Hello, I'm so excited to be here. Like always,
we have the best time we do. Are you excited
for today's book? I'm so excited for today's book.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
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remind you that with book chats we talk full spoilers,
so spoiler alert You've been warned. Today we are discussing

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Tourist Season. Written by Bren Weaver, The audiobook is narrated
by Samantha Brittmore and Robert Hatchett. Published on September twenty third,
twenty twenty five by Zando's slow Burn Imprint and Zando
Penguin Audio. The ebook is three hundred and sixty eight
pages and the unabridged audio is eleven hours and fifty

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six minutes. Casey, would you kindly share the synopsis?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Welcome to Cape Carnage. Visit once, stay forever. You can
hide in the farthest reaches of the deepest hill, and
I will still drag you out even the devil can't
save you from me. Cape Carnage is a seaside town
full of colorful houses, quirky shops in an unusually high
body count. With tourists comes trouble, and Harper Starling won't

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let anyone ruin her picture perfect home. A skilled gardener
with killer instincts, Harper protects her sanctuary and her aging
mentor with a fading memory, at any cost. Troublesome tourists
don't check out of Carnage. They compost beneath Harper's award
winning flower beds. But Nolan Rhoades isn't your average tourist.

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Devilishly handsome, disarmingly charming, and skilled with a blade, Nolan
is relentless in the pursuit of revenge. On every anniversary
of the hit and run accident that fractured his life,
Nolan slays another target, and he saved the best for last,
the undeniably beautiful Harper Starling.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
The problem.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Harper isn't the monster he expected, and she won't go
down without a fight. When an amateur true crime investigator
comes to Cape Carnage on the trail of a long
lost serial killer, Harper and Nolan strike an uneasy truce.
If Nolan helps Harper protect her town, she'll keep quiet
about his hunting habits for now. But their alliance soon

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spirals into obsession, one that threatens to shatter every secret
in Carnage, including their fragile love. Okay, bump bump, right, Okay,
so let's kick things off as we usually do.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
What was your initial reaction after you finished the last page.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, let me take it a step back for just
a moment. So we read Butcher and Blackbird on this
podcast last year, two years ago, something something like that.
It's been a while since we it, but we read it.
And one of the things I kept saying was I
want justice for Adam. Adam didn't deserve to die what

(04:08):
the buck happened to autumn, but like justice for Adam. Yeah,
and I want to say I feel like I got
the justice I wanted with this book. Okay, So yeah,
all right, now, Yeah, that's a win. It's definitely a win.
And then my second note is that this is the
book that I originally thought Butcher and Blackbird was going
to be, and I know that doesn't make sense. So

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like two serial killers who hate each other and keep
trying to kill each other. You know, when she said
Butcher and Blackbird it's about two serial killers falling in love.
I kind of assumed it was going to be similar
to this, where they hate each other, they're fighting each other,
but they're forced to work together and then they're falling
in love. And of course, you know, Butcher and Blackbird

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was not that at all. It was still great, Still
love that book, but this was the vibe I was hoping,
and now that I got it, I'm very happy with it.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Okay, that's good, Yeah, all good. Thanks, Okay, So for me,
I had a good time with it. It was really
easy to consume. I like the characters. I thought it
was kind of quirky. I like that, and it was
nice to see, you know, the characters again or see

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Autumn again.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Her name Autumn is her real name, Harper is the character.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Name a fake name? Fake? Yeah. So at first, but
I was looking for a tie in to the last
book that we read. Remember when they were like doing
their little competition in the epilogue of the last book
and we were like, is that Autumn you know out
there like watching them and stuff. I was like looking

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for some tie into that, and there was none.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think that's going to come in a future book.
Mm hmmm, I think that's that's coming. I don't I
don't think that was enough for book one. But I
do think we'll have appearances by the other serial killers.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, I hope so, because you know, we she mentioned
you know what's her name in this book and house.
I want to slow and I want to be like her,
but I'm not like her. I'm as good as her.
I'm like, Okay, so we got a little bit of
something something, but I was looking for that very specific thing.
But being that this is going to be a trilogy,
there's lots of room to see it later. Yes, for me,

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as a first book in a spinoff in the same world,
I was pretty happy with it overall. That's good stuff. Yeah,
all right, good that.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
That's very high praise coming from you.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
I know, I know, but you know now I'm still
going to complain about something. Of course I will too,
as I at. Okay, let's do it. Like where should
we start? Do you have something that's like.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
My biggest plot hole was her car being sabotage and
nobody saying a single thing about it. Oh, you know,
when the brakes went out and the steering wheel went out,
and she went over the cliff and died for like
two minutes, and everybody was just like, oh, well, I

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hope your roobs aren't broken. I'm like, nobody wants to
like check and see if the brakes were cut. You
don't want to check and see if it had been
tampered with, Like the Sheriff's not even gonna come and
question you at any point. You're just gonna start having
sex three days later.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, that is weird. Not that you mention it, and
you know, very very suspicious.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Fact that like nobody even talked about it. They're just like, okay, yeah,
you almost died, but you're totally fine.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Right, Yeah, that is weird. And they've worked on that
little car car thing together, right, So it's not.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, he did a little bit of it, She did
most of it. Lucas did some of it too. Lucas
did say that it was like old and falling apart,
but she was like, yeah, no, I tested it in
my driveway.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
It was fine.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
But I was like, Okay, the fact that both the
brakes and the steering wheel went out, I feel like,
what's his name? The amateur sleuth guy tampered with it.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, that was what my thealy did. And if he did,
then why not give us a line or two about that?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, that's what I was waiting for, Like at the
last when they're doing their evil villain monologue. I was
expecting something, but nobody mentioned it.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
M hm. You know, I didn't even consider who did
it or was it just an accident. I think I
was just going along.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
I mean, yeah, no, go along for the ride. Yeah,
and you know, go over the cliff. It's fine. She's
probably going like thirty forty miles an hour. And here's
Nolan riding his bike right next to her.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Can you imagine how funny that looks. He's like pedaling
for dear. I tried to the fiasco. It probably looks ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh so insane, so insane. But yeah, no, the fact
that like this terrible accident happened and then nobody mentions.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
It, yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I was like, this is a plot holes.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
How come she didn't have even a night in the hospital.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, she had like two or three nights, but we
just skipped ahead to a few nights later when she's
home and they're in bed having sex, and I was
like again, and it was like, okay, so you skipped
all of this, but you also skipped all of like
the police interviews and questioning and like.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Dude, that's two pages.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah exactly, but she skipped it into and made it
like a paragraph, which is annoying.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, that's true. I agree that
is annoying now that I think about it. And actually
it was just the whole thing was kind of ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Oh yeah, no, it's so ridiculous and insane. I was like,
I mean, obviously the first part of it, when she
was having fun, I was like, Okay, this is going
to end badly because you're having so much fun, and
when people have fun, bad things happen, right, But I
didn't expect her to actually go off the cliff and die.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah. She literally died, literally died. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, and again they never question it, never talk about it,
never do anything other than like, oh, I hope your
rooms aren't hurt after CPR.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, because he was like kind of going at the
CPR for a while. Yeah, something should have been broken.
I feel definitely severely root caages.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Her ribcage should have been broken, should have had a
lot of bruises. It should have been much worse than
it was.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
So but three days later, they're just three days.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
They're just fun and having sex.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Like maybe makes this regular not regular sex really just
like all the things.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I guess make it makes sense. That does not make sense.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
No, it does not make sense. Yeah, I get that.
That's a that's a good point. Okay, what's another. I
know you got more. I don't have many plot holes
this time. I was just going along my brain. Look,
my brain, y'all has been fried for the last like
two weeks, so I'm just for once, I was just
able to read the book and not really even think

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too hard about what I was consuming. So that's I
love that new situation for me like that, And now
that I think about it, now that I'm on the podcast,
I hate it. I hate that brain off or yeah, yeah,
I hate that I was able to just read it
and not really scrutinize it while I was reading this, Like,

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when I was in it, I was okay with it,
but after the fact, I'm like, I need that. I
need that from my fire on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I mean, that was the biggest plot hole that I saw,
or the one that annoyed me the most. I definitely
I knew the sheriff was a serial killer from the start.
I didn't know that he Oh spoiler alert, sorry.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
How did you know? Okay, how did you know it?
With him?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
From the start, I didn't know he was Laplume. Let
me let me preface that I assumed Arthur killed Laplume
after he killed his daughter, however, many thirty years ago
or whatever. But the fact that everybody was like, oh, yeah,
the sheriff does nothing, he doesn't investigate anything. But then

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we meet the sheriff and he's this really fucking smart
guy who knows all of these tiny details about everything.
I was like, oh, because my first thought when they
say the sheriff does nothing was like, okay, so he's
either incompetent or he's covering up for the serial killers
because he knows that they're serial killers and he wants

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to keep them safe. The third option is that he
himself is a serial killer. And then once we met
him and he had his first conversation with Nolan and
was like, weren't you doing this? Thought and the other
son like, I know what you've done. I know this,
I know that I know all the things. I was like, Oh,
he's really fucking smart, so he's not incompetent. He's possibly

(13:11):
covering for other people, but more likely like he is
a serial killer himself, yeahcause you know, you want to
put yourselves in positions of power to cover up your crimes.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
And he's sneaking around, probably spying on people and looking
at and he has the capability because I mean, no
one's gonna look at him funny for being in different places.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Exactly, he's the sheriff. Nolan didn't question him for walking
into what's his name's room?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
No, I don't know, hmm. And you know, I didn't
think he was lapum either, But I also I knew
something was wrong with him, but I didn't know what.
I'm like, what's this guy's problem? Like why, well, yeah,
I know.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
It's you're supposed to question him, but it was just
one of those things where like, yeah, in the epilogue
kept going I knew it.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I knew Nolan is so bad at talking to the police. Dude,
right that scene, he's just like I'm gonna go and
I'm gonna try to do something, and he thinks he's
doing something helpful and then basically the sheriff turns the
tables on him when he's not prepared. He's like, oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
I was like, how has this man survived the last
four years of murders?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
So, can we talk about his murder book for just
a second.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Oh gosh, the murder book?

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Because what the fuck? How seem can you possibly be
to carry around photographic evidence and DNA evidence of your crimes?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's weird, Like who does that? Hide it somewhere? Don't
carry it around exactly that? And why are you collecting
things like that? And you're just on a revenge mission.
If you're on a revenge mission, you're not the typical
serial killer, right, you're not.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
You shouldn't be, right.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
But he's acting like a regular serial killer the way
he's like collecting things arts and crafts, bullshit in a book,
Like what is that that serial killer behavior? But you're
supposed to be doing this only because of revenge for
the death of your sibling and left you for dead.
That's why you're doing it. But now he's just seemed
like an average one in the male serial killer? Which

(15:21):
is it? Is it both?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
I think it's both. I think he's lying to himself
saying this is only for revenge. Because there was a
line in the book where he was talking about how
he told himself once he killed Harper, he was going
to go back home and marry some girl and have
like the white picket fence life and go back to
quote unquote normal. But he's not normal. He would never

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survive that.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Look, he would.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Murder her and you know, go on a killing spree
through that town, that idealistic future town.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
He'd be doing what Harper is doing exactly. He'd be like, dude,
something's wrong with you. You must die. I'm protecting the town.
I'm doing it for the good and the community. Yes,
a reason to keep killing.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Because he killed Jake Harper, I think, no, what Jake
whatever his last name was, the creepy Jake who was
watching Harper masturbate through the window. He killed him with
zero hesitation and he had nothing to do with revenge
on his brother or vengeance or whatever.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
No, he just did it and then he left body
parts everywhere.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, No, he's a serial killer. He's not normal.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
He's like, oh, thisn'd make her mad, This is scare her.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Let me just crush on.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, she like what the hell's going on here? Like
you did this, she the author did it.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I laughed during that sick I was like, there's something
wrong with me, but I laughed so hard.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
It was funny. She's basically like, what you doing? You
didn't go did you go out last night? Like I
did you?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Like anybody like damn it?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Now?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Whose body? Like? Who made this mess? I gotta clean
up the hilarity? But yeah he did. He killed that guy.
Didn't even think twice about it.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
M Nope. And he made lots of comments like that
throughout the book of like, oh man, I want to
rip his skin off, his bones, I want to rip
his bones, threw his skin, I want to rip out
his intestines. Like Nolan is living in a Delulu mindset
where he thinks he's still normal. He thinks he's still

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savable and can go back to the regular world. He's not.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
No, the lid is off, you can't put it back on.
And so maybe originally he didn't think that was in him,
but once he killed a couple of people. M h,
it's in there. It's in there. Oh yeah, no, it's
it's there. Yeah. Do you think Nolan is a good
book boyfriend? Do you like him?

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Like four Harper, Yes, and no, I don't know how
to phrase this. So like he is a good boyfriend
for her, but I don't know if he's like really
good boyfriend material, because he is very selfish and very

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single minded, and he needs to be slapped upside the
head a few times before like things finally penetrate his brain.
Like she told him multiple times, I'm not the person
you think I am, and like gave him all kinds
of clues and I know he's a man and he
doesn't listen, but like he really won. He really doesn't listen. No,

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And it took like going through a discord and finding
videos of from other people and research from other people.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Like he didn't do any of this on his own.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
It took him like five minutes to put together other
people's research before it finally clicked for him. And I'm like,
you're kind of dumb.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
All yeah, because at the beginning, he says, when he
when she says her name is Harper, Like soon after that,
you know, he starts to think, like, wait, how come
I didn't recognize her? Wait? You know she looks different
or something is different.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Ye, just but the pictures icy or grainy, so that
makes sense. I'm like, no, it doesn't, you dumb but like.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
And the whole time, he's like, I should be wanting
to kill her, not fuck her. Basically yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I also like she did jump off a cliff after
her to save her life, so like, we can do
some props. But he's just a dumb man sometimes.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
So chemistry, I'm a big fan of chemistry between our leads,
and I to be real honest, the chemistry was mild
to me. I wasn't like, oh my god, sparks are flying.
Oh he's hot. She's hot for him, Like I did
not feel that. Like versus Butcher and Blackbird. I was like, oh,

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oh h they like each other. I mean this was
also slow burn in that retrospect, right, that's how this
author writes, but for some reason, the.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Immediate I'm gonna start it right there. This was so
much faster than any of the other three books. Those
three books took years. Remember years, They were playing the
game for three weeks. They were having sex that week too, Like, yeah,
this was on super speed for this author because it

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didn't take.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
This long time for them to actually I think have
feelings for each other. So I think they were sleeping
with each other, they were attracted to each other.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, No, they were definitely having hate sex enemy sex.
And this is what I mean when I say I
want enemies to lovers, because they were enemies. Like he
kept saying I hate you. She was saying I hate you.
They were trying to kill each other, like this is
enemies to lovers.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
But see, that was what some of the stuff didn't
even like ring true for me. Like so when they're
having sex, she's like, do me like you hate me?
And I think he was confused at first, like you
he's like h and so he did what she wanted.
But I think it was because that's what she wanted,
not because he actually was, like because.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
I don't think you was before Now I think he
was like a sweet vanilla boy who just.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Like still not kinky. That's only kinky because she likes it.
He's still not you can tell. And oh the scenes
like she's topping from the bottom and said, definitely is
not Nolan's personality to be like that, but he's doing
what she wants, which actually makes it a little less

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like for he to me because I don't know, like
my mind, it just doesn't read the same as someone
who a character who is naturally that.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Way, naturally dominant.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, So I don't know. I feel like they
are bonded together now before two things. They know each
other's secrets, they know where the bodies are buried, and hey,
he saved my life, So they're gonna be bonded together forever.
But I don't buy And I know that kind of
sexual tension will grow, like it will get even better

(22:28):
the longer they're together. So I think in the next
book we might even or I might believe them even more.
But in this book, I kind of was like Ie
a book boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
I don't know what about their first meeting when they
were at the sandwich shop, she said ball meat and
like they were joking with each other. Was that Did
you feel any chemistry there?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
So I thought it was cute. I did, but it
instantly crumbled. So Ever, when when he heard someone call
Harper's name, it changed, I would expect because he thought
he was there to kill her, But it did not
come back in the same way. That initial spark was
just gone forever to me the same That's what I thought,

(23:16):
like that first meet cute was so good and it
didn't quite come back. M hm. So I don't know.
I want a little bit more from that aspect of it,
because you know, I'm all about I want to believe
what's on the page. I do, but if I'm missing

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that crucial like the chemistry has to be tight, like
all the way around, not just them sleeping together, you know,
because you can write that and it sounds like they're together,
but you know what I mean, it's like, do I
believe it THO was just sex? They're just having sex.
They just are both two horny people. Yeah, they're at
the same time, and that's it. I don't know. I

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think I missed that. And maybe it would have worked
if she has been longer, given them longer to get
to know each other, maybe like in the first like
in Butcher and Blackbird. Maybe because you know, I like
a slow burn, just theying to be excellent, so to
make it feel like that, but also quickly put them

(24:22):
in the bed together. Sometimes it doesn't work, Like the
two things together, it's hard to buy. I guess.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Do I believe them as a couple. I guess they're
a circumstance couple.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
I think they're a little bit more than circumstanceal like,
I think they do have a connection, but like you,
I wanted to grow and deepen in the next book.
I feel like it is more physical than emotional right now,
even though they kept like making these vowels and swear

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bring loyalty to each other, and I was like, I
don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
No, Like, okay, So the part where you know, Harper
decides I'm gonna give him back his bag with his
book because I don't want it to be on me
if something happens to me. Then he gets put away.
She likes him enough, did not want him to go
to jail, so she gives him back his little book
and he's like so amazed by that. But that moment

(25:28):
passed so quickly. But also what happened to the book?
Because he was kidnapped right then? By what is his name?
I have forgotten his name entirely. Sam?

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Was it Sam? I think the one the the investigator,
the investigator. I think I've forgotten Sam. No, Like, he
got kidnapped right then, taken to the distillery. Sam was
filming him for all the stuff, and I was like,
he had his backpack with the book. Sam is a

(26:05):
fucking dumb amateur sleuth. If he doesn't at least open
the backpack and one find all these weapons and to
find this fucking book, and.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
That would have been the He would have been like
the find of the century. I found a serious because
he was.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Asking the questions like why did you kill these people?
I know this about you, I know that about you,
but he didn't have any proof. If he had pulled
the book out and said like I suspected you killed
these people, but now I have your fucking book and
I have the fucking proof, Like, oh my god, that
would have been so amazing. Yeah, that would have been

(26:41):
so much better. But it didn't happen. And now I'm
so questioning, like where is it? Because didn't they leave
the car somewhere? Or maybe it was still in the car.
Maybe they jerked him out of the yanked him out
of the car and left the bag. No, because they
moved his car away from the end, but.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
I don't know. Yeah, but maybe it's still in there.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, he's probably in his car, But where's his car?
Because they can't They left in her car. They left
the distillery in her car to go get rid of
the bodies, because they had like three bodies at that point.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Loose ends.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I guess unless the sheriff has it now, and then
that's gonna be a lot of book too.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
But look the way that book ended, I've got to
assume that it's safe wherever it is, because the author
should have made a point to say, where the hell
is this damn bag? If it was missing, they should
have mentioned it.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
They should have. But they were too busy having hot,
kinky sex because they're like, woo, adrenaline, let's stab each
other with needles because.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, okay, okay, I had blocked that out of my brain.
I'm like, sorry, dude gave her nipple piercings.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
While having sex in bed?

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, I'm like, who's doing that?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Weird kop.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
I'm like, wait a minute, I'm like, oh, is that
that's what's happening? Okay? Ow yeah, but she likes pain,
she likes it parents, So yeah, they were doing kinky stuff.
They weren't worried about a bag.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Nope, they were too until they're which again makes me
suspicious because like, the author intentionally left a lot of
loose threads because they're gonna be the main characters of
book two. So I'm just wondering, like, is this another
loose thread where we need to follow the backpack? Does

(28:37):
la Plume have the backpack? Does somebody else have it?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Right? Did? I guess we'll find out.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
We'll find out.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, So I'm curious, though, what do you think is
gonna happen when we find them again? Are they gonna
Are we gonna get a time jump and then suddenly
they've been together for six months or you think gonna.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I don't think it's gonna be that long of a
time jump, just because that last chapter was all of
the sleuthors whatever their name is, on the discord saying
we have to bobilize right now, it's time for war.
So I think it might be like a month maybe
two months.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Before how the leader ringleader, I guess a new ring
leader will have to stay.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I think, yeah, the one guy who was talking Nights
of Truth or truth Teller or whatever, I need to
let me open up the Libya can tell you.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
I mean, go to that town if you want. You
might not come out of it. Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
No, I think all of the amateur sleuths are gonna
start coming in to town. And that's Night of Truth
is his name, So I think he's gonna at least
like start leading the charge. But there's hundreds, if not
thousands of people on this discord channel. Harper was talking

(30:04):
about it earlier in the book where she was like,
they hounded her for however long until she was able
to steal Harper's identity and the fact that their leader
is dead and it looks like an accident with air
quotes and everything.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Hm.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
So I think it's gonna be like a month or two.
I don't think it'll be six months.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Okay, Well, yeah, I'm curious to see because I'm like, okay,
so we got more people coming to it. Cape Carnage
what an interesting name. I mean, everything in that town
is very unique.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Oh yes, say blood that's actually mushrooms that will get
you high as fuck.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Oh my god. So okay, wait, let's take a quick
let's take a quick break. You guys, check out these
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(31:08):
The drugs, the drugs in the hot cocoa. Okay, so
that was really sweet of knowing to want to make
her hot cocoa all the time since they were out
there in the cold digging up bodies. That was very thoughtful.
And she's like, oh, hey, I got something special for
the hot chocolate, and she's just like it's so it's
a specialty around here, and she's just giving him a lot,

(31:31):
a lot. Anytime you see someone putting a lot in
your cup and not that much in their cup, you
probably shouldn't drink it.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Exactly exactly, be suspicious.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Like be for real right now. You are the worst
kind of killer ever. You can't even have like any
self preservation in this mug.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Seriously, but with everything, like the way he went and
talked to the cops. Like we mentioned earlier, he's so dumb.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
He's so bad at being so bad at it. Yeah,
but he drinks this hot chocolate and he is high
high then so hight like and then someone's coming and
she's like, oh no, and he's like do you see that?
What is that?

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Nice verries movement?

Speaker 1 (32:23):
He's hallucinating and she like nothing is there? Like shut up,
like you trying to get him to like just focus,
you know, something's coming. Oh it was hilarious. That whole scene.
I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. That is so funny.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Oh yeah, no, it was insane. It was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, the comedy was good, it was great in this one.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
But Nolan, especially if we compare him to the first
three book boyfriends of the Ruinous trilogy, they were all
smart as hell. He's he's like a dumb puppy compared
to them, like the dumb dog who, yes, he can
kill a squirrel, but he's gonna run headfirst into a

(33:05):
tree first.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, he's fumbling through this, like he is the guy
that is failing up, Like, how are you not caught?
You're so bad at this? Yes, dude, no, but yeah.
The other three guys, they're all smart. They're all like,
super strong and much hotter than Nolan. I'm sorry, yes,

(33:28):
all of all three of them, the brothers.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Oh my, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
He's from fucking Gatlinburg, Tennessee. Fucking Gatlinburg, Tennessee. That's an
hour down the road from me. It is the smallest
small town you've ever been in. It takes you like
twenty minutes to get from one side to the other.
It is in the smoky mountains. It's where I host
all of my writing retreats because we're in the mountains

(33:53):
and it's very pretty up there. But also, like it said, Gatlinburg, Tennessee,
and I just started laughing, just laughed. You're like, get
out of here, get the fuck out of here. Yeah,
well he acts like a small towny.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
He is the acting it is a like yeah, it's
I would say, maybe the size of your neighborhood, Like
you get his fucking small if you there's three little
towns Pigeon Forge, Gatlinburg, and severe Vall and if you
push them together, it might take you an hour to
get through all three of them. And we have Dollywood,

(34:31):
we have all kinds of weird shit. Some people call
it the Vegas of Tennessee, like one hundred different putt
putt golf courses within ten minutes. Like it's weird and
wild out there. But I was just like, why why Gatlinburg?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Like that is not well because the author wanted us
to buy how dumb he was when he came to
some of this stuff, Like no, if it's the Gatlinburg,
I'm playing.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I don't know he's.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
From fucking Gallan.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I don't know. They just I guess he's a small
town boy. He is.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I mean the smallest of small towns, like Cape Carnage,
this this town, this small town in this book that's
bigger than Gatlinburg.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Like that that that small town is bigger than Gatlinburg.
Let's let that sink into your brain for a second.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
M hm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
So yeah, I don't know if he moved there for
search and rescue or if he was born and raised there.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
But yeah, yeah, well that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
It's gorgeous. The mountains are gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
But you know, that's that's on my bucket list. I've
had several people tell me, like my sister has been
there for like they all get together for their birthdays
scorpio birthdays or something. And then my nephew went with
his girlfriend. I'm like, oh, I need to get down there.
I need to go see what that's about.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
You should come, tell me, we'll hang out. We'll run
a cabin.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Look, if you go to Dollwood, I'm gonna leg to
come into your neck of the woods. I can believe
how expensive it was to get into Knoxville.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
It's because it's one of the smallest airports ever, but
it is the airport that supplies most of East Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Oh, because I'm like, I went to side note, I
went to Nashville recently, and that it was super cheap.
I'm like, why is Knoxville so expensive?

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Because Nashville is a big city and a hub for
Southwest and a couple of places, and it's international and
it's just like it is the biggest one.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Knoxville, on the other hand, has ten gates.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Maybe, Okay, Oh it's a teeny regional airport.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah. No. When I'm in there and the more like
for an early flight and I just want to walk
and stretch my legs, it takes me three minutes to
walk around the whole airport. Like I'm not even joking.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I might have to just get serious about having the
little drive and fly into Nashville or something because I'm
not like it.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
But also it's a huge drive anyway. So if you
go flying to Knoxville, you have to drive an hour
to get to Gatlinburg ship. Yeah, so if you're fly
into Nashville, it's a four hour drive.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Oh my god, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
They're changing time zones.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
So yes, because I think that. Okay, so I will
talk about that, and my watch changed.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I'm like, what the fuck I thought was a Yeah, No,
Nashville Central time zone so weird.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
I don't know what's going on with Tennessee so weird,
but it's.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Very weird here. Anyway, getting back to our serial killers, Well,
let's talk about Arthur dementia.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
The author had some trigger warnings at the beginning about
that because and I guess it's good to have that
because some people are really sensitive to that because I,
you know, one of my grandmothers had like dementia, and
I think about that, like that's sad, like to see
someone kind of losing themselves. That was like horrible. So

(38:23):
she wrote it in a way that was not too heavy. Yeah,
but the warning was good. Anyway. I liked author even
though he's a killer.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I liked him too. I feel like he still has
some good qualities. It made me really sad when he
was like, I want to kill this person so I
don't forget who I am. It's like, oh, but also,
like how was he able to hide his serial killerness
with sixteen fucking bodies buried in the river? And that's

(38:55):
just what he buried in the river. I'm sure there's
a lot more around.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
And he's the one started this killing to kind of
like keep the riff raft out of his town. So
I don't know, how do you get away with that?
Like there has a lot of people to go missing
in this town.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
And I know they're tourists, and I know they wiped
it away as like oh well, like they fell off
a cliff or they just rolled onto the next town
but never showed up at the next town. But like
between him and the sheriff also being a serial killer
and now Harper killing people indiscriminately, Like it's just it's

(39:39):
too much. It's too much. There's too many dead people
in this town.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, and Cape Carnage is a very very small town.
Is giving Gatlinburg two point zero? Yeah, how do you
get away with that? For real? And it's so strange.
He's like, where's my bag? You need my bag?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I need my medical bag.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, I don't know, he was.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
It was sweet. I hope I hope she doesn't kill
him off, but I also don't want her to like
make his memory worse, Like I hope she ends the
book with him being okay for now, or the trilogy,
I should say, because so my question my question for you,

(40:27):
do you think his son Lucas also has a serial
killer gene and he's hiding it from his dad and Harper.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
You know, that would not surprise me at all If
the author writes that, I'd be like, oh, yeah, that
makes sense, because you must believe that he looked in
that bag after Harper gave it to him. Oh. Absolutely,
So he probably knows exactly what they're up to. If
he's not a serial killer, he knows what they're doing,
and he's cool with it. Yes, at the very least, Yes,

(40:58):
as the most he could also be a serial killer,
which is in itself odd that so many serial killers
are just hanging around, just being in each other space
and just it's so strange. Just it's supposed to be
a rare thing to be a serial killer, but apparently
in this world.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Not in this world, in her world, there's a lot
of serial killers. Yeah. Remember there was enough serial there
were there were enough serial killers where both Sloan and
irishmen were able to like kill other serial killers for
years and years and years and just like off so

(41:34):
many of them. And then there are still serial killers
all around.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I don't know how the true crime people didn't get
a hold of that, like where are all the serial killers?
Like how are the serial killers being off? And who's
killing those people? Like someone the FBI to be all
over that.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
You'd think, but maybe the FBI are full of serial
killers too. Is not a serial killer and bring up
everything for everybody.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, Oh, I did want to mention, like, I am
so sick to death of the true crime genre in
all of these kind of books, and I'm like, why
did it have to show up here too? A lot
of the thrillers we read that is a part of
the plot where they either have a true crime host
coming to solve a crime or they're involved in a

(42:23):
crime and we get to I guess at least, at
the very least, we didn't have to deal with hearing podcasts, yes, segments,
So that's good.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
That's good. That would annoy the fuck out of me.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
It's actually fun depending on how they do it, you know.
I've had seen good and bad examples of that. I'm like, oh,
another true crime person again. I don't know. I would
have rather been a reporter than a true crime person.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
I'm kind of excited to see because I don't read
a lot of thrillers. I don't see a lot of this.
I'm excited to see what's gonna happen when the whole
Discord group like goes to war and shows up in
the town to like, you know, attack everybody.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
But it seems odd to me, honestly, to have that
level of fanatics willing to just ride out to some
town and be like, we're here, what's up? Like that
just sounds so crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
But I guess, yes, take take you out of the picture.
So if you were somebody else and you were a
true crime fanatic and you're part of this big group
and your leader says, hey, I'm going to go investigate
this infamous serial killer in this small town and then
he ends up dead under suspicious circumstances, I would totally

(43:51):
want to like go investigated. I would not me me.
But like if I was somebody else into true crime stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, I guess those people don't have common sense, because no, no,
I can't understand that. Like I like true crime, I'm
a true I like enjoy it, but from a distance,
I'm not about to go investigate some shit like Okay,
like all y'all want to end up in the river
or through the meat grinder, because that's where you're gonna

(44:20):
end up, youna end up burn food. But you know,
we'll see how many people they kill. We should have
like a bet on how many people they kill on
the next book.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I'm hoping it's a big number. So I'm gonna say twenty.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Ooh, that's a lot. I don't think she's.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Killed twenty people yet, but I'm hoping that, like she
starts upping the kills.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yeah, like everyone that comes in here asking questions off
with their cloth, with their heads, I mean, between them,
dang on sheriff, they could rack up twenty bodies between the.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Easily, easily. That's why I'm hoping it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah. And if you're throwing the nephew and who knows,
maybe you know what's his face, poor author might get
a couple more kills in there forged how to get
his bag again, which, by the way, Nola was so
played on that whole bag thing immediately, like what are
you doing?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Don't give that man the bag again. He's so dumb,
He's so dumb.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
He's like the dumbest puppy or dog.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yes, he is lay him yeah, and he plays right
into their hands.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah. Harper's like you did what And He's like, oh
oh maybe I should have did that.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Ooh sorry, oh my god. This man, this man. Yeah, no,
this is why. This is why he's not a good
book boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
No, he is not. He is not hot in any
kind of way to me. Like, I think are cute
for each other, but I am not feeling him at all,
which kind of makes his like kind of an odd
way to feel about the book, Like it's fun to read,
but I don't know. For some reason, I want to
connect to the boy book boyfriends a little bit too.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
But I'm like, yeah, that's the whole point of reading
these books. Yeah, you can have his girl boyfriends.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Like Harper, you go for it, because I don't want
none of that, because he is too dumb. He is
too dumb to live, as they say, he is.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Too dumb to Yes, he is.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
All right, let's see any other things should we cover? Oh?
I must say the audiobook was very very good.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Oh good.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
It was duet style, okay, in each other's point of
view chapters. You have both people speaking for the man
and female so even if it was Harper's POV chapter,
you would hear the man speaking for Nolan yeah, and
vice versa that.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, yeah, I will say. So I'm read this and
one thing that drove me crazy and I think this
is just my editor brain. She used a shit ton
of ellipses. There was so the drama dots. I'd be like, OK,
did you dot dot dot do this? Dot dot dot
right now? Dot dot dot. I'm just like fucking delete thee.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Know what is funny? I actually I find myself using
those as well. No, yeah, and I try not to
cause I'm like, wait, I use those too many times
in this one because like when I explain things to somebody,
if I'm explaining something, or if I'm like writing something
in discord with like trying to hide spoilers, I'll type
something dot dot dot hide the spoiler. Well yeah, no,

(47:42):
that makes sense to hide text messages too. Sometimes I'm like, oh,
I gotta stop doing it now that I know, like
that's your uh you hate it, I'm about to see
you a bunch of shit with it.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Ah, oh god, oh no, no, I'll try not to.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
But I noticed that I'm like, oh no, I use
that and I try. I Whenever I'm doing anything professional,
I make sure I don't do it. But in my casual,
everyday life, I'm like, shit, I use that quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
It's one of those things where it just takes up
unnecessary space, And as an editor, I'm like, you're not
articulating your words properly. Like, instead of just doing the
dot dot dot for the pause, give me a sentence
with that pause. Give me the awkward everybody staring at

(48:32):
each other as she's drawing out her words because she
doesn't know what to say, so I feel that pause.
Don't just put dot dot dot in the middle of
a sentence because it's awkward and I hate it. I
hate it so much.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
And in the audiobook, we probably just had a pause.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Probably they probably just like slowed it down a little bit,
But if you're reading at like two X speed, you
wouldn't notice.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
No, I was listening at one point five. Okay, you
know that's that's my meeting. That's that's my usual go
to is one point five unless the narrator is really
really slow, but or I'm just trying to get it
over with because it's so painful. Yeah, then I'll do
two x but yeah, oh that's interesting. Hmm. It was

(49:14):
just one of those things like our books.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I don't think she used them before either it was
just or maybe she didn't. I never noticed, but I
noticed it here and I was like, this is fucking
annoying boom, this is like, this is just editor brain
where I'm like, please, for the love of God, delete
half of these.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
That's not good, and don't do them that many. There
were so.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Many, so many.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Oh no, that was bad. Oh well yeah, well, you know,
I'm gonna recommend the audiobook for those of you that
like audiobooks. Definitely consume it that way because I don't
want to listen.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
To the audio book because I want to hear the
duet style.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, it's very nice, very I think that upped my
enjoyment of it as well.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Did he use the southern accent? Did he sound like
he was from Tennessee?

Speaker 1 (50:12):
No, it wasn't a strong accent. Actually, so that's a
terrible accent. Yeah, no it was not. I didn't notice
the accent really at all, to be honest, so just
not regular, which probably why I forgot that that's where
he was from.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I mean, it's such a they mentioned it once, and
the only reason I really picked up on it was because, like,
it's an hour away from me, and I'm going to
be there in three weeks for them my next writing retreat,
So like, okay, I was like, oh, yeah, I know, Gatlinburg, Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Mm hmm okay. Well, so also, did you know? And
I almost wonder why we didn't even see this? Did
you know? There was another book that Brn Weaver just
had come out and it was also set in the
same world as Butcher and Blackbird, which was the Ruinous

(51:06):
Love trilogy. Yeah. Yeah, there is actually an exclusive called, well,
I know, on Audible for the audio version. It's exclusively
on Audible, but it's called Love and Other Killers. Ooh okay,
and I think it's about that group, you know, the
group of them all killing with each other, you know,
all the brothers and they're girls, they're all and they're women.

(51:28):
They're all out trying to like do stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Oh and it's audible.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Well, the audio, yes, it's an Audible exclusive, but I
think it's on Kindle or something. So yeah, serial killers
versus serial killer in this hot and twisted novella about
family games, true love, and a competitive Carnage by the
number one New York Times best selling author of the
Ruinous Love trilogy. So yeah, it's the annual hunt for

(51:57):
Sloan in her Vigilanti family of serial killers. That sounds
like fun that the hunt is the funnest part, like
the that they went on. So this is a hunt
and it's short. It's just a short read or listen.
It's like a hour and twenty minute listens to book.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
It.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, it's very short, but it's probably just them going
out on one of their hunts and so you get
all the probably a bunch of them interacting with each other.
And of course it's the same narrator, Samantha Brent Moore.
Oh it's a different man though, Eric Nolan, but Samantha
Brent Moore is the female narrator on this book as well.
So yeah, I'm like, oh, I got to throw this

(52:36):
in there. It's already got It just came out and
it's already got almost three thousand reviews. It came out
August twelfth.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Oh wow. Yeah, so that's definitely listen read, talk about
it all the things.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Because we like that world. So yeah, I'm like, why
not exactly. I picked it up it's on thirty percent off.
I picked it up for like a dollar and thirty
four cents. I'm like, okay, why not?

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah, No, that's super cheap.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yeah, So so you know that's there in case you're curious.
I bet it's on Kindle Unlimited or something. It gotta be. Yeah,
but yeah, I guess I do like brend Weaver's writing
style generally speaking. I have a good time with her stuff.
Same same, Okay, should we go ahead and rate yeah
the book? Okay, Tourist Season, how did you rate it?

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I'm gonna give it a solid four stars. I had
a good time with it. It was really fun, it
was very bloody, the sex was okay. We talked about
all of it like it was like overall, I enjoyed it,
and I'm excited for the next book.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
When I sat down to do this podcast, I didn't
know what I was going to rate the book. Honestly,
I kind of was like, it was a good time.
Was it the best thing I've ever read? No, Nolan
wasn't my favorite, which is so sad. But I think
I'm going to agree with you on the four. To me,
it's a week four though. If we did have so
it will probably be three and a half, but I'm

(54:03):
going to round up and give it benefit of the
doubt with a four because I'm anticipating the next book
to be better. Yeah, and just because I know what
her other books have been like, so I'm kind of
giving her the extra half point for off the strength
of what.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I've already read.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Right, Yes, yes, so that's where I land. It's a
good first installment, but I want a lot more from
this couple. I want to feel it next time in
a serious way other than just some kinky scenes.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yes, absolutely, I agree with everything you just said.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Kay, Yes, Okay, So that was fun. It was a
good conversation you guys have If you have read Tour
a Season or any of the other books in this world,
let us know, give us your thoughts on it, let
us know how you rated it, and I guess we'll
be back soon with more. Yeah, more thriller slash. Actually,

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stories or something something like that. Something like that, So
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Bye bye, everybody.

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