Canucks Need to Grind Away and Find a Way

The Canucks are chasing the Blues in the playoff race.
Pettersson is injured.
Tocchet's contract situation gets cleared up a bit.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
And I quote, I'll be there in a minute, give
me a second.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Time is relative, folks, Time is relative. So hey, cheers.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Everybody in the chat is their division rival.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I don't care how many how many wins they get.
Screw them. That wasn't the take I was expecting me here.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I want to gush over watching live Christanna. I think
that we completely underestimate the skill it takes to play defense.
One highlight or several highlights does not call their trophy mate.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm stepping in here. I'm going to be the across
the old man here. They need to learn patience. They
need to understand the attention everything. In the end of
the drama, how Derek look at this?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
How is McDavid do getting the penalty you got?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
You guys need to calm down with this. Okay, you
guys need to calm down with very every time.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I appreciate Kyler is asking us to calm down, but
like I think he's I you know how sometimes you
preach to the choir. I really think just Tyler is
just talking to the the entrance doorway of the church
where nobody is in and everybody has just left. Welcome
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(01:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:48):
We are it feels and we are in spring.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
It is the playoff push, but it feels like it
is hockey weather, especially in Calgary.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Sean yeah say spring. I mean yes, technically are in
spring now, but we're We've got a foot of snow
here in Calgary, so which, to be fair, is spring
weather in Calgary. It really is?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yes, that's I mean tomorrow the all that snow will
be melted off and then we'll probably come back on Monday.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's how it is. Uh. I've heard it's a huge
jump in Edmonton too. I mean, what are you talking
about the snow of the actual city. The snow I'm
going to.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
I'm going to be probably pitching off some oiler fans
a little later. I don't need to add to the
animal object.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, well, we can we do a man on the
ground in Edmondson this weekend with Tyler, so we'll check
in with him after.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yes, yes, Tyler is in Edmonton for an officiating event
in Edmonton, so we miss him all right, so hopefully
he comes back to Chris's Chris is driving the trucks
and Devon is with the peelers.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
So let's you know everybody that I missed that laugh.
I was thinking that when we're uh going through the intro,
I miss I miss Dev's laugh. I need you need
to hear it again. Yes, we we also should hear
from Devon a you know.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Uh, well, let's let's get into this. Of course, the
we're in the playoff push. The Vancouver Canucks are on
wrapping up this as we're recording this, and we're I'll
have one more game. They got the Sunday afternoon game
in Winnipeg. This road trip had a game where they

(04:00):
out shot the New York Rangers thirty nine to twelve
and lost five to three. They had a gaming in
where they score late from Brock Besser again and pull
out the win with a Jonathan Lecromacki shootout win in
New Jersey, and then they had a pretty solid game

(04:20):
quite frankly against the New York Islanders for their most part,
winning that game as well.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
And then.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
The Knuck Columbus game last night, which just a drunk
It was like someone on a drinking binge, and it
was three nothing, then it was three to three, then
it was five to three, then it was six five,
then it was sixty six, and then the Knucks lose
in a shootout seven to six. And so they come
out of this right now, they're on this road trip,
on this road trip two to one and one, so

(04:49):
five out of a possible seven points, which I don't
think is that bad. I guess you could argue in
terms of the point part of this. Yes, they did lose,
that was a pretty the important point they lose in Columbus,
but they got a pretty important point that they shouldn't
have gotten New Jersey. So I think this ended up
even you know, in some ways, I know that kinda

(05:12):
just unfortunately they deserve better versus the Rangers as well.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, they did, so, yeah, you know, I think if
they can find a way to beat the Jets and
go three one and one on this road trip, well
I'm not sure you could ask much more of a
team in the in the playoff line. Yes, yeah, that's

(05:40):
that's fair.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
And let's I think this there's a few important things
with this road trip that we do need to.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Deal with here, uh.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Iss Petterson forty and Neil's Hoglander were injured and it
went home after the Rangers game, so Filipido was not
on the trip. So and then Teddy Blueger, we'll go
for the forward side here. Teddy Blueger has been playing
with a fluid sounds like one of the other things
that has been going on in this road trip is

(06:10):
illness because Kevin lancln and of course didn't play. A
couple didn't back up for a couple of games due
to illness, and then they called Maxis on in an
emergency basis. So if they've had seven atmas for Canucks
on the NHL roster through this trip, they don't have
their top two centers Peterson and Heatl, So coming through
this that's still pretty pretty good. I think that ter

(06:36):
Demko returned. He played the game against New Jersey. He
played the game against the Islanders. Liancannon played the game
against Columbus. I think everybody is going to blame every
There's going to be a lot of people blaming Lincoln
In for the game against Columbus because he wasn't I
will agree he wasn't great, but the defensive zone coverage

(06:59):
was just quite frankly sloppy. So uh, I think let's
combine the two and say, let's everybody take a little
bit of a blame.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
For that and for that.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
So so all in all, you're still four points behind
the Saint Louis Blues in terms of the second wild
card spot. I have decided a couple of things though, Sean.
The Utah and I'm calling them the Hipster Club because
it seems like the hipsters have really fallen in love
with this Utah team. I'm just a sidebar and buy it.

(07:31):
I don't believe this Utah team is as good as
people have said that they are. I don't think neither
did the Lightning. No, no, the Lightning did not believe
in the Yes, they they put a solid smack on them.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Eat nothing. But I'm I have.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I have said the Utah Hipsters are out, but I
have said the Minnesota. I think the Flames and the
Connutch are not chasing the the sort of wild not
the Saint Louis Blues. The Blues of one eight in
a row, they are eventually going to lose again. But
I think the Saint Louis Blues I think have at
least got one of those spots. But the Minnesota Wild.

(08:12):
They are in a bit of a shaky spot here.
They have still waiting to get Eric Sinek and capriz
Off back, and I'm not necessarily convinced that they're going
to be on a super roll right now. So both
the Canucks and the Flames are chasing the Wild right
now for that last playoff spot. I mean it's really both.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Like the Wild are two points up on the Blues
with the game in hand. The Canucks are four points
back of the Blues with a game in hand, And
the Flames have three games in hand of the Blues
and are six points back. So like the Blues have

(08:56):
like the Blues could go on a could lose two
three games here and it all this and and let
the Flames and the Canuts back into this. The Yeah,
the utah is at seventy six points, three points back
of the Flames and five points back of the Canuts,
let alone being nine points back with Saint Louis. Yeah,

(09:20):
don't I don't see them being They'd have to win
out and get a lot of help. Yeah, to make
the playoffs right now, I think it's Saint Louis and
Minnesota are. It's gonna be tough to catch either of them,
by the Canuts or the Flames. They're gonna have to
win majority of their games and have both Minnesota and

(09:43):
Saint Louisco probably because if the.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Canucks have Canucks have nine games left, so eighteen points,
mats of eighteen points, so that would put them at ninety.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, they win all and U Saint Louis has eight
points was so they need eight games left and if
they get eight yet they don't have to be but
they can still be. STIs can still be slightly above
five hundred, and the Canucks can catch them if they

(10:20):
went out. But realistically, the Canucks need Minnesota to sort
of the Blues and Minnesota to play five hundred or
worse hockey for the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, it's gonna be tough, but it's not. I mean,
there's no exits on anybody's card yet, so you know.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
And the fact, like you talk about all those players,
players who played timing Avascurd this year, playing like playing
big minutes. You got a tou Rots who scored two
goals last night as well as the goal versus the
Islanders against his old team, the Islanders. I completely I
completely met, like forgot about that, Like, yeah, but you've

(11:02):
got like you have that, you have Sason coming up,
you've got dpds bait like I don't know if you
include DPD as an abbascer Canuck in those in that
seven that you you you counted off there keV. But
he's he I don't the Canucks didn't paper him down
at the deadline. He's not an Avascar Canuck anymore. He's

(11:23):
a He's a Vancouver Canuck. Like that's how they how
highly they they they feel and are are they feel
of him right now? Like he's he's an NHL defenseman now.
And but having all those young players, like like the
Karamaki having a goal against New Jersey and the and

(11:48):
the shootout winner, you start you're seeing player the younger
players that players that need to step up to help
this team, not only like you need you need that
not only for cap reasons, but it helps with the
morale in the locker room. And you see players that
are essentially homegrown. Ratsu maybe not be true homegrown, but

(12:10):
he basically is. It's just yeah, having those players play
in top in top like tough minutes and tough games,
it's gonna it's gonna help the Canucks going into next year.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, and I think that that's the kind of like
I think this year is kind of it's been kind
of a shitty year. Let's let's be honest. You had
this season has been cursed. You had the huge injury,
you had the Miller Petterson feud, you had Den Cowe
being hurt, you had Rock Besser went down. Well, I

(12:50):
want to touch on that.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
A little bit here.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
You just had a whole bunch of things that just
it didn't it just hasn't clicked for the most part
this year. Unfortunately, make the Miller trade, the free agent
looks like he's getting going and gets injured. Yeah, yeah,
then you had I mean, you had to free those

(13:13):
free agent signings in the off season. Unfortunately, none of
them are here except Jacob Rust that's the only one
that is that is still here. So that was unfortunate.
And so just you know, and I mean Kevin lancoln
And and jeeked Kevin lancoln In for the most part,
tell them in there as long. It has held them

(13:35):
in there as long as they could. And so but
I mean, you yeah, you got you get it. The
part of this is is and it's not only when
you're tanking or quote unquote tanking or in a rebuilding
situation that you need to develop. This is a time
that you develop, right, And so you get a Jonathan
Lecker mackew who will probably be on the NHL team

(13:55):
roster next year. I don't know if he's going to
be playing a lot more games and abbots for next year.
You talked about twenty five. You also got Atu Rottu
who is stepping up Linas Carlson scored a couple of
goals on this road trip as well. So and then
you also have the other intriguing thing. And we'll just

(14:19):
I didn't put it agenda, but we should talk about
Tom will Ender. Of course Frozen four wrapping up here.
When does he sign with Vancouver? That will be an
interesting question. So probably well we'll get into what happens
at the Blue Line, probably in the future, the future
of the Blue Line, and another episode. But I mean

(14:42):
it is the point here is is it's unlikely that
the Canucks are going to make the playoffs this year.
But I think that there's still some things that you
can take away from this and say, Okay, things are
going to be Okay, I mean, I mean the big
question will be if they signed Brock Besser, I mean

(15:02):
Pugh Shooter. I don't think Pugh Shooter is coming back.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I just I mean, I would love for that to happen.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
But I just I'm in to see what happens with him,
because it's he's seeing it's a fit here. Do you
go somewhere else and just try and try and get
as much money as possible, or do you work with
the Canucks and find a deal that pays you pretty
damn good no matter what, and in a in a
situation that you know works. So I'll be interested to

(15:31):
see if that happens. But yeah, bess there's one with Wilander.
He him and Boston University played today versus Cornell at
one o'clock Pacific, so in the and if they lose
that it's a single elimination tournament. If they lose, then

(15:52):
Wallander will probably sign sign with the Canucks. The question
is whether or not he will burk he will sign
a full ELC full entry level contract right away and
burn one of the years, or if the Canucks can
convince him to have it start next year. Next season,

(16:13):
the twenty five to twenty six season and then do
an ato and amateur tryout with the Atmosphord Canucks for
the rest of the season. So yeah, we'll be interested
to see how the what happens there because I think
if the Canucks had their way, they'd have him play
in Atmosphere for the rest of the season. And I

(16:34):
think that's if they can get that done, that is
that's fantastic because you sometimes you just need those handful
of games playing it in the AHL to make that
next step. Look at DPD like I did expect him
to be basically an NHL defenseman right now. I expect

(16:55):
him this to marinate all season in in the AHL
and then maybe push for a spot next year if
every if development went like as good as I thought
it could. But he's blown those expectations out of the water. Yep,
he has.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
And he's playing Not only is he playing the left side,
he's playing the right side as well, so he's showing
some versatility. Yeah, and that's huge, that's a huge thing.
I am just a little sidetrack here. I don't know
if this is a fair comparison. I am probably not,
but one of the things I'm going to be absolutely

(17:32):
fascinated by is the development of EP twenty five and
in Calgary the development of Zaying Perak. And I only
bring this up because I think you brought you bring
in MP twenty five, who's a really solid defensive defenseman
who didn't have a lot of fanfare around him. And
Zane Perek is scoring all of these points in the Ohl,

(17:53):
setting all of these records and I'm just gonna be
curious what happens here.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Well, you know, you and I very much agree on
the fact that defense, like defensive defenseman and how you
play defense, is completely underrated by the average fan, completely
underrated by stats and all the analytics that we have
access to these days. And it's also one of the
toughest things to learn for these young defensemen coming up,

(18:25):
especially when you're one of those guys who is just
a point producer because you're just you relied on in
junior to basically take that puck and go basically like
and you've seen that with like what's made the development
of Quinn Hughes and what Lane Hudson needs to do

(18:48):
in Montreal, it is it has been that development as
a defenseman, like without the puck how did how did
how to defend without the puck? How to how to
control the game when, yeah, when you don't have the puck,
And Marcus Petterton does not get enough credit for when

(19:11):
how he plays like when he's without the puck and
how he defends d DPD, I think has that potent,
has the potential. I think I talked with Chris about this,
and again I don't comparisons are always like comparing players
to other players, like older players is always a bit
of a crap shoot. But I see a lot of

(19:32):
mattiazol On in DEEPD and I'm not saying he gets
to that level because Mattia was like I don't think
he was he was he might have been like he
was Chris Tannah before Chris Tanna. He was Jacob Slaven
before Jacob Slave and he was just that that solid, physical,
stay at home defenseman who could stick, like just could

(19:54):
move the puck decent well enough that he got he's
still got wits and all that. So if DPD can
be that, that, like, that's what the Canucks meet, because
they've already they already have Quinn Hughes. They've got to
Corilla Kadratsov in in Abbotsford, who's looking like a good
puck moving defenseman Villan, there could be another sort of

(20:18):
easy like safe defenseman you've got Marcus Patterson, but if
you can which would also allow for more for from
a more offensive kit from Philip Ronnock too, because we've
seen him that he can do that as well. So
we've done this on a few different episodes, just going

(20:40):
over how excited we are about the way the way
the Knucks defenses is shaping up for the next few
years and beyond. And it's like, I know, I know
a lot of that. There's a lot of henry in
the in the market right now about convincing Quinn Hughes
to stay even though he's got two more years left.

(21:03):
And yes, they're the Canucks do need to take to
get get back into the playoffs. The Canucks do need
to take a step again for to to convince him.
But where the Knucks defense is that they're gonna have,
They're they're gonna have a great one to punch in
net going into next season with with Demco and and

(21:23):
Lankan again, I know, I know there's been some handring
about what they're gonna what do in in net. But
I think Demko Lankanen is a one two as a
one A one B combo next year, just until they
know that to get Demko back into and not have
to overplay him will be really good, especially with the

(21:46):
if the blue line plays out the way I think
it should, and then they just need to fix the
scoring up front, and I think part of that comes start.
It starts with with O G. P d figuring out
his game, starting to produce at a point per game level,
which he was starting to and honestly he probably needs
to be a little bit better than that. And they

(22:06):
need to find a second line center. And if they
do all that, then you're you're looking at a team
that with all the different all some of the different
pieces that they have, I think is it can take
that next step again, can get back into the playoffs
if they don't find a way this year.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, well, I mean we said this also in the summer.
I think the Canuck fans and the other fans were
too busy yelling at each other to forget that the
Vegas Golden Knights were the best team in the Pacific
Division and the Vegas other Knights have proven to be
right now they're going to they should finish hers in
the Pacific Division. So you know, I mean, teams bounce

(22:48):
in and out of the playoffs. You don't have It's
not always a teams are always going to be necessarily consistent,
and things happen, injuries happen. You just don't know, right
Like looks have had, the Oilers have been without McDavid
and dry title for a little bit here. They're going
to get dry title tonight when they play the Flames.
So I think that I mean, you just you know,

(23:10):
people kind of have everybody had this. I think the
expectations were a little too high overall in Vancouver after
coming off a pretty good run. It's a set back,
but it doesn't necessarily mean that they can't get back
into the playoffs. And let me let me just address
this queen huge situation, because I honestly don't get what
the panic is. It's not like the Canucks are going

(23:31):
to be a bottom five, bottom ten team next year,
Like I don't know what, Like, I mean, are they
going to be at the top? I don't know where
they're going to be at the top of the standards,
but we know that they're not in the San Jose, Chicago, Buffalo,
all of some of the bottom tier teams in this league.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
There.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
It's it's a good market, it's a good city. I mean,
we we've we've had a few people see Queen Hughes
wander around the Whole feuds, Whole foods and near our work.
I mean, I think I don't think it's like this.
I don't think there's a panic yet for me about Quinn.
I mean, you you do need to build a team
for Gwyn Hughes. I'm not saying you don't. Of course

(24:14):
you do that, but I feel like people are kind
of overreacting to this situation a little bit.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
It's a quote Tyler calm down.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, that for sure is a that's a calm down situation.
So we'll see that what this week he heads out here.
We'll have to have to see what happens.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
In terms of that.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I want to talk a little bit about brock Besser,
who is now kind of back to brock Besser. I
don't think this is one thing. I mean, of all
the handwringing and things that have been talked about in
the market, Sean, I don't think this has been talked
about at all we go back to that hit that
he took in early November at ten or Jane. We

(25:03):
talked about how vicious that hit was. He missed three weeks.
What we didn't talk about is the impact it might
have had on his game. And I bring this up
of course it's a good reminder with the Connor Zerry injury,
which that was just hard to watch. It just takes

(25:25):
a little while for somebody to get back into the
game after dealing with a significant injury. I looked back
the last couple of years. His longest goal as game streak,
I think was two years ago. It was eight games. Like,
he's been a pretty consistent scorer. I just I mean,
I'm not saying he's had a concussion for the whole year.

(25:46):
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it has taken.
It just has taken Brockbster time to get in this
game back. That's probably part of it.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
But also you've got everything else going on too, right, Yeah,
you had the Miller, the whole Miller's situation, and just
the flux that the Canuts have been in all season
and the lack of chemistry that the Cannucts have had
all season that didn't help either. So it's yeah, probably
it's probably a combination of a few things. And always

(26:20):
coming back from any any injury can be different, different,
like every injury is different, but yeah, coming back from
it can be a little bit tough sometimes. So yeah,
I think it's definitely part of it, and I think
the Connects could find a way to keep him. Yeah,
they've got the Kramaki coming up. But if you have

(26:41):
him with Karamaki in Garland on the right side, on
the on the wings, you.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Sat, Well, let's not forget Keith for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I mean sure keep for sure. Wood is a solid
like bottom bottom six winger like and who can play
up at at times. He's had a hell of a season,
hell of a season, but he's best suited as the
third or fourth line winger, as a grinder and like this,

(27:17):
uh he's been. He's been a great fit. He fits
he fits tacket system really well as well. But yeah,
like the Canuck what the Canucks need is to just
to elevate what that's the top sixth standard is for
like offensive skill.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, I'm not saying that keithor Sherwood is a top
six for forward.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
That's not what I'm.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Saying, but I do think he's a good bottom six forward,
which who has a better set of hands that I
think people realize he brings some physicality. I actually don't
mind the right side right now. If you if you
do keep Bester, you've got Besser Lectromackie, Connor Garland I
think is probably more in Surewood. That's not a that's

(28:04):
not terrible on the right side. Your left side is
actually not too bad either. You've got Debraged, You've got Hoglander.
I think Dakota Joshua will have a better year next year. Again,
that's a guy that's had some tough, tough times and
you probably one of Sasson rot to.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Blueger Law firm moves to the wing. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I actually think you're okay on the wings.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah. Again, it's it's the key for the Canucks going
forwards and to become to take get that take that
next step up again is to upgrade the top six,
specifically the second line center. And then I don't Hoglander
is interesting because it's just I think he's he's best

(28:52):
served as a like a third liner. So right now
that Canucks have the breath, who's probably a tweener between
a first and the second line winger. You've got Hogelander
who's best served as a third liner, You've got Josh
always best served as a third liner, and then you've
got the rest of them, right, So I just they

(29:14):
need to find like that. Another another like top six
winger as well would be nice. So I don't I
don't see the Canucks coming back with I think there's
gonna be one or two of those of the forward
pieces being moved out in the in the offseason because
I think the Canucks are going to shuffle the deck
chairs up front a little bit, so we'll see. I

(29:38):
forgot Drew O'Connor. Yeah, again another sort of like third line,
bottom six guy, right, another guy who again they re
signed him so like, but someone one of those, especially
on the left side, especially if they if they bring
back Besser, and then really I think they shouldn't really

(29:58):
hope they do. They have they have to figure out
the set another another top six, true top six winger,
and another true and then the true number two center.
And if they can get that, they need to. They
need to get that number two center for sure, because
if you have say Bester, that number two center, and

(30:21):
then yeah, and maybe Debrusque on on that second line,
and then you do p D with hop. P D
and Hogy were seeming seemed to seem to have found
some chemistry there, and then you maybe that's that's where

(30:42):
you and then that's where you put like the Kara
Mcki type deal. We'll see. It's the I don't know
what to expect up front that going into the off
season and what what the Canucks ended up doing is
really what I'm getting at, because it's there's a moving
parts and you can throw you throw him, how how
well ps suitors played, and where he like, where he

(31:06):
fits again, it's one of those ones where it's like, yeah,
everyone's talking about how he's priced himself out and all this.
Before I get into that, can I just say that
I'm so that that whole conversation. Every time a potential
uf A or r f A score gets a point
score to goal and everything, everyone talks about the contract.

(31:26):
It's jumped the shark. It's just it's it's just another
part of the social media. It's just it just it
becomes just it makes me want to turn off the
social media because it's just it's it's jumped the shark.
But the way he's played, the way he's played has

(31:48):
been fantastic, and I just don't I wonder if he
wants he looks at this at where he's at with
this team, and he wonders if he can if it's
a good long term fit as opposed to just going
for the bag.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Just on a side note, by the way, the other
drinking game is Nazen Cadri can get you a first
round draft pick on Flames Twitter. I look at the
forward group right now, it's not a great group. I mean,
you've got Sam Bennett, You've got John Tavares, You've got

(32:32):
Brock Nilsen, You've got Yanni Gord Those are probably the four.
There's Nicholas Backstrom has been injured. I the I mean,
there's Mason McTavish. Might if you're gonna go out of
after an offer sheet, Mason McTavish is a possibility maybe,

(32:53):
But it's not a great list.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
It's no. That's why it's I think it's gonna be
a trade. I think that's gonna can I have he
And I think again, he's someone I think right now
we don't know what he's gonna look like coming back
from this concussion, but like he's better. I think again
he's someone who's best served as a third line center.
So I think I think I.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Still think there's a potential he could be a sin.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I think he has the potential to be a second
line center. But the Canuts, if the Conness are taking
that step next year, they need a true number two
and it can't be a question mark. Yeah that's fair.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
I mean, I will agree with you that they still
no matter where you're putting hetle, you need to improve
your center position, no matter what you say it has,
it has to improve.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, But I just.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
It's I'm gonna going to be it's I mean the
free I mean for prece.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
I I feel like he's alias Lindholme. I think he's
a cheaper version of Elias Lindholme. Where I I think
that unfortunately, like and I love Elias Lindholm, but he's
probably not the in this in the salary that Boston
paid him, And I think I fear the PU shooter
is going to run into that problem if he gets

(34:21):
he gets that ching chain.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
As Rick Talkin said, I.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Think the expectations the expectations will be too high on
him for what he's going to be paid for the contract.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
So and unfortunately with the way the NHL is with
with the hard cap, you can be a good player,
but if you're not putting playing up to the contract,
people are going to ship on you.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, yeah, totally true, it said yeah to that would
be an interesting question with pup.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
All right.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
So the other soho, a couple of topics. One the
big topic actually before we do this, before we get
into the coaching part, what are you doing for goaltending
and the rest of the way, Like, are.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I'm kind of thinking either one back to back. There's
only one back to back left in these nine games,
so you're gonna split that in one way or another.
So like, and then we'll get at least one one
start there, because I think you're gonna play Demco the
majority of the way back the way now, yeah, assuming

(35:41):
he stays healthy. Right, it's because yeah, you got afternoon
game tomorrow against Winnipeg. Then you've got the game on
Wednesday versus Seattle. Yeah, yeah, every game homestand Seattle Seattle
on Wednesday, Anaheim on Sat. Next Saturday, Vegas on the

(36:06):
following Sunday. It's an afternoon game on that Saturday as well,
and then you've got Tuesday in Dallas, the following Thursday
in Colorado, and then finish the season off the regular
season off at home the twelfth against Minnesota, the fourteen

(36:28):
versus San Jose, and the sixteen versus Vegas. I think
Lancannin gets two starts and then the rest are day. Yeah. Okay,
so got to Dallas, Colorado. Yeah I could.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Maybe I wouldn't hurt giving him the Duck start.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
So that's one I do. The I do the Ducks
and then see that that gives it two in a
row over for for Demaco, Winnipeg, Seattle. Then you give

(37:14):
Mike and then the Ducks start. Then you're gonna give
Demco for sure, the Vegas and Dallas games. I do
three in a row for Demco and then the Minnesota start,
and then Demco for the final two, depending on where
where things are and where the Canuts are with the
with the playoff hunt.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, this is, folks, why you need two goalies. This
is why you don't trade at your denco. That's you
need two goalies. It's a two goalie league, just the
way it is Yeah. So John Tortorella was frankly honest
after a seven to two lots of the Toronto Maple

(37:58):
Leafs this week, and that honesty, in his essence, cost
him his job. He was fired by the Flyers. Bradshaw
has taken over. How does this what does this mean
for the Vancouver Canucks. Well, Ricktockett is a former Philadelphia
Flyer and there's some that believe that ricktocket Will, with

(38:18):
his contract situation, which we'll get into, would be bound
to Philly if he's not back with Vancouver. And I'm
already seeing article sean of new coaching candidates in Vancouver.
If Talcket leads I this is me maybe I'm I

(38:39):
don't see Ricktockett and the Flyers being a fit. The
only reason that people think it's a fit is because
it's a former Flyer. But if you look at the
actual construction of that Flyers team, they're a long way
from competing. You've got Matt Fey Mitchkoff, which is he's
going to be a star in this league. He's going
to be I would put him for them to call

(39:00):
their voting if I had to vote, I don't they
need to they need to fix their goaltending, they need
to fix their blue line, they need to fix their
center position. They are really in a real need to
rebuild that organization. I just don't see why would Ricktockett

(39:20):
go to Philadelphia, Like I, that's not if Tacket's going anywhere.
First of all, and he's not, we're going to explain
why he's going to go to a team that is
a Stanley Cup contender. He's not going to Philadelphia. Philadelphia
does not need Rick Tockett.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
No, But yeah, first off, before anything he goes, the
Canucks have a team option on Rick Hockett's deal. They watched.
They actually don't want to They don't want to exercise that.
They want to extend him long termot for the next one,
which is why they haven't exercised it yet, but they

(39:58):
if they have to, they will. So he's got the
Canucks have talk for another year unless something really goes wrong.
And the fact that the Canucks have had all this
turmoil in such a shitty season that first season and
they're still in the playoff hunt even if it is
an outside shot, says a lot about Rip Tocket, says

(40:22):
a lot about Quinn Hughes says a lot about the
act the organization that the Canucks have despite all of that,
So like, and I think that the I think the
players really enjoy playing for him, So you need to
I think it's for me. I think you need they

(40:47):
need to calm quote Tyler again, calm down, not like
not everything is the five alarm fire with this organization,
like many seem to want to create and act like
and yeah, if Talcot wants wants to go anywhere, like,
it's probably hy a team that's gonna be, Yeah, less

(41:12):
less of a cluster fuck than the Flyers currently off. Yes,
they've got three first round picks this year, but the
way coaches go through the way teams go through coaches,
unless the unless the Flyers move all move them move
those picks for players right now, Rick Talk, it's not

(41:34):
going to coach them those those picks most likely, especially
when you're dealing with rebuilding teams. So yeah, it's it's
not I don't see it as a The only thing
that it could Rick Talk could use that as is
is contract is contract negotiation leverage. But I don't see

(41:54):
it as a realistic option for him right now. Yeah,
I I don't like.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
And I'm looking at the other thinking about the other
coaching situe. I don't the only other possibility realistically, I mean,
the Rangers will probably depending on what happens. I think
the Rangers playoffs are not are moving on from Laviolette.
Uh Boston, I think is an interesting situation. But I

(42:24):
think they're going to have to go through some sort
of re furbish at least.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Whatever are you or do you want to use?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, Toronto's not an option. Ottawa's not an option. The
Florida teams are not an option. I mean he is
also are people forget he has won a Stanley Cup
in Pittsburgh as well.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I don't know like that.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I mean, if we want to create that stir of that,
that's another I mean, but I just don't.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Think that's a team that's like, it's Sidney Crosby and
a bunch of over there hill players who can't play defense,
and then a bunch of some younger guys.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, that team is not in any position to No. Yeah,
they don't need a rick talk. Yeah, they they need
to read, they need to read whatever. Yeah, there's not
a lot about it. I just don't see it. I
I don't. I don't see that happening at all. Like
I I don't see Philly being a fit, and I

(43:26):
don't see Talcket leaving. I will eat, I won't eat.
I won't promise to eat my hat. I won't say that,
but I don't protect that Ricktocket will be going. I'm
with you, keV.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I don't. I don't see him leaving. I see it.
This is a season that everything that almost everything that
could go wrong has gone wrong for the Tens, and
there's still in the playoff hunt. Yeah, like if a
couple if they got it, if if they if they
had a couple more a couple of different bounces go

(43:57):
their way into just a let even not even a
handful of games, and they win a couple, they've win
two or three more games, They're like, they're right there.
They have they have Demco, a healthy Demco for the
majority of the season. They're winning. They're they're probably in

(44:18):
it there even if they are in the second playoff,
the second wild card spot, they're comfortably well. I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
The two toughest losses this year were probably the one
over Christmas, where they had the big lead with five
minutes to go, against the Kraken and came away with
only a point. In the first game of the year
against Calgary, I think that that was also a tough
loss where they were and they they blew a point.
They they blew a point. I think those two those
are the two games I look back on if the

(44:49):
Canucks don't make the playoffs and why they're not in.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, but yeah, it's just everything everything's seems to have
gone wrong for the Canucks and they're still in the
playof So if they get I said, even if like
a quarter of the things that went wrong this year
didn't go wrong, they're they're in the playoffs right now,
probably comfortably. So I think it's like they make and

(45:15):
you know that the Alvine and this management team has
not do not sit on their hands. They are not
going it's not going to be a quiet offseason. Nope,
They're going to do what they can to improve this team.
And what and we go back to those atmosphere Canucks

(45:37):
that we talked about earlier. Those players are going to
if they can take us, if they Canucks can rely
on them to take a step next year and be
NHL players. And there's a couple of them I think
they will that you can, and that opens up cap
space for the Canucks to go after bigger player, bigger fish. Yep. Yeah,

(46:02):
So let's it remains to be seen if they can make,
if they can make the moves that they need to,
because like last last off season, unfortunately the majority of
the moves they made didn't didn't pan out. But they
were able to movement move on for them, and they've
made they made their they pivoted in and got Marcus
Patterson into the fold. They've got Drew O'Connor into the fold,

(46:26):
and it's the Canucks are better off because of that.
So it's we'll stink.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
But we knew going into even going into this season
that their off season was still it was not complete.
They were still going to add. We knew that they
were going to have to add to that blue line
no matter what. They had limited resources last off season.
I think people, I think there's a I will push
back on the criticism on Alvin's off season. I think

(46:56):
that alviing did what he could in the off season.
The price already was finding the winger for PD. That
was the absolute number one priority of the off season.
Everybody knew it. Find a winger for PD. We need
to get p D back to normal. That was the
entire priority. And you were not gonna pay Zdorov that money,

(47:17):
and you were not gonna pay Lindholm that money. You
didn't have the cap space to do it.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
So and I think the Canucks are like now, the
Canucks blue line is better off without Zadoroff. Again, I
said this a few times player right in all season.
I think the defenseman that they missed the most from
last season is Ian Full But now that they've got
Marcus Petterson in the fold, that's there. He's the better

(47:43):
version of the and Pule.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yep and is probably going to be a better version
of Zoro Alvin made and the Canucks made in the
off season.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah, Heinen didn't work out, Sprung didn't work out, day
or and A didn't work out. Four parts looked fine,
like as a bottom pair of defense when he's fine,
debrusk iss Chick deprest with Jacob Rusk like he's a
He's a streaky goal scorer, but if he could a

(48:18):
lot of that. He's scored twenty four goals amongst all
this this turmoil. If he can find if he can
find some chemistry with pd or whoever else next year,
the whoever's the second line center next year, and the
the Canucks have a quiet season with in terms of
drama or as quiet as it can be in the

(48:40):
Vancouver market. Like thirte goals from Jacob rust is not
out of the question. Yeah, he's a street he's a
streaky goals goal scorer. There's eight or nine games left.
Six goals and nine games that's you could get thirty
goals this year. And that's that's a that you that's

(49:00):
what you paid him for, right, So that like four
boards look, Fourward panned out, Nancolin panned out. Debrusk is
still fine. It's just yeah, they didn't. They weren't. They
didn't slowify the defense until halfway through the season, and
then they had the whole Miller's situation that through the
chemistry of the team off. So it's I'm I'm still

(49:27):
where I was last year. I'm cautiously optimistic of where
the Canucks are at. And with yeah, they have to
they have to take care of a couple couple items
here in best there's one figure talkeets another and then
they need to figure out that that second line center role.
And then they they should be. I think they should

(49:50):
be able to take to bounce back into at least
comfortably in the playoff position next year.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Well, I mean, if you look at the division, I
think Calgary does take a step back next year. I
just think that this year was I think a lot
of what happened with Calgary is it was. It was
fueled by a lot of anger about what happened the
year before in that dressing room and the players and
sort of everything else. I think they end up taking

(50:23):
a step back. I could see dust like Dustin Wolf
is phenomenal Sean. I'm not saying he's not, but I
don't know. If we see the get.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
The books, the book's gonna come out on Dustin Wolf
and he's gonna have to adjust. Yeah, yes, yeah, then
you know the Flames are young, are younger team anyways,
especially the key players. They're gonna what Connor's area is
gonna be a player to watch, especially coming off another

(50:52):
knee injury. Unfortunately. Yeah, you've got prep will probably be
with the team next year. You've got uh got what
probably should be.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
In the a h L. I will stand by, I
will stand on my soapbox by this. Then that c
h l A h L n h L role must change,
must Yeah, I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
We'll see because that that whole n A c h
L n C double a whole thing could be like, actually,
you know what, maybe he goes to n C double A.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
That's entirely possible. I that helped kill the car. I
I would not be surprised if he does that.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, yeah, but so yeah, I see the flames taking it.
I see the flames out there being exactly where they
are now or taking a slight step back. Anaheim's nothing,
Anaheim's gonna if they take a step, they'll be up
with where the flames are. The Sharks of the Sharks, Uh,
Seattle is Seattle like they're not. I don't they don't
have it. They don't have they don't have the top

(52:02):
end talent to compete with the in this division right now.
L A is l A is l A. I don't
know there. They will find a way in Brian the
way as I have. I've been saying that the Canucks
and they will be in the In the conversation, Vegas

(52:24):
was Vegas oilers are the oilers? Like it's the if
the Canucks play the way that the Canucks can and
have the goaltending the way that we know Demco can
if he's healthy. I don't see why the Canucks can't
take that step back up.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
No, no, no, let's talk about We're gonna get into
a bigger conversation about defense in a moment here, and
I'm gonna go on as as Shanon Goldman says, Anko
Renton and uh. But Quinn Hughes has been injured this year,
but this road trip here has been his ice time.

(53:03):
Rangers twenty eight, twenty five, New Jersey thirty one thirty five,
Islanders twenty four h three, Columbus twenty eight twenty four.
He's he has gotten within the last six games. It's
only the Devil's game that he has not got a point.

(53:25):
I think that he still should get some votes from
Norris or Hart. I know he's been injured, but.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
He's not gonna He's not gonna win it this year,
but he's damn close. Despite missing the time. He's tied
for second in points as a defenseman. He can, but
the underlying stats of how the Canucks play when he's

(53:53):
on the icess is off the ices bonkers. He's third
in goals amongst defensemen.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Like.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
For me, like I haven't done my my my calculation
on on the Norris yet, I haven't even thought about it.
But he's despite only playing fifty nine games so far,
Like it's yeah, it's kind of ridiculous, how how how

(54:24):
good he's been. And like the one thing I've noticed
his skating has actually gotten better, which is like mind boggler. Yeah,
like he he his acceleerate, his accelerations taking a step
this year. He's always been good at at the lateral movement,
but his acceleration has taken the step and he's become

(54:45):
more dynamic because of it, and just uh, I love
watching him play, Like it's yeah, I think he'll be
the finalist. I think he'll probably finish like second or
third voting, but he won't win it. That's my guess.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah, that's probably my guest. I think it's probably going
to be. I think it's the top three scorers mccarr,
Hughes and more rent Sky, although I wonder if Victor
Hedmond does sneak in there, and I wonder if Evan
Bouchard we'll get to Evan Bouchard a of it, But
I wonder of that Quinn Hughes might be one of

(55:20):
the top three on three players in the game. Like
if you just watch how he controls the overtime, it's
it's between hits him. There's Martin nancasny Cass, There's Conor McDavid,
Jack Eichel. I would say also with Nathan McKinnon, probably
the best of some of the best players I've seen
three three on three.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
There was a post this week. I'm not going to
name this person. He he is. He is from Edmonton,
He definitely is an Oilers fan and he put out
some numbers. I will quote it. Maybe I should say
who this is, but will His name is Matthew Pinishon.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
He is.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
He he has made this claim. He he's put his
top five defenseman are Hughes, mccarr, Hughes, Bouchard, Evan Bouchard, Fox,
Rasmus dalling As and this is his quote. Evan Bouchard's
last two seasons first and extra goals, expected goal sharer

(56:37):
third and goal share first and expected goal share versus elite,
third in points, fourth in ji R versus elite, It's
third and gar second in.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Rating versus the.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Basically, if you're not an analytics person. You're probably like,
what the fuck is this guy talking about? And then
so this is kind of where I get a little
I'm not I don't want to be necessarily annoyed at him.
He's doing his work. I'm not anti analytics. What I

(57:13):
am is trying to create biases to prove points without
actually watching the game. And I'm sorry, this is where
I piss I don't think I'm gonna be pissing off
every Edmonton Oiler fan, because I do think he is
a very polarizing defenseman. But Evan Bouchard is absolutely not
a top five defenseman in the NHL. He is a

(57:35):
griggod really strong offensive defenceman. He is great with the puck,
He's got a great pass. I do not like his
game in his own end. I think it's at times
borderline lazy. I think that there's some Oiler fans that
will probably agree with me on that. I just get like,

(57:55):
it's when we get into these numbers here, I just
don't feel that you're completely watching. I'm not saying he's
not watching the game, but I feel like that sometimes
this is a lack of studying the full defensive aspect
of the game. Like we saw no Adobson this week.

(58:15):
I don't think that Evan Bouchard is much better than
no Adoptson. I watched brock Favor this week. I certainly
don't think that Evan Bouchard is much better than brock Favor.
I think we will be having a conversation about brock
Favor in the top ten at least very soon. I'm
a I'm a big brock Favor fan.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
He is.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
He is great in both ends of the ice and
an asshole to play against. I don't know where you're at, Sean,
but like it's this is sort of.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
The issue with a lot of these these stats and
how people portray them, is they just portray them as
well because this therefore they don't ask that they don't
ask the important question them is why he's got all
those top ends possession stats and goal share stats and
goals above replacement stats. But he's also playing most of

(59:13):
his dice time with Conor mc david and Leon Dryside
and the like. You put any good like Bard is
a very good top pair defenseman. That's all the that's

(59:33):
all Edmonton needs him to be too, especially when he
within that team. He's especially Offensively, he's a very good
offensive defenseman. But defensively, yeah, he there's more often than
not here he's average at best, if not below average

(59:54):
defensively for your top pair defenseman. We talked like what
makes the top defenseman? And I think the top three
defensemen in the in the game right now are Kale mccar,
Quinn Hughes, and Victor Headmen. And what makes all three

(01:00:14):
of those guys good is that ever in the neutral zone,
in the offensive zone, and the defensive zone, they are
above average at worst, if not one of the bets
in those zones, like Quinn Hughes. There's no no one
better at walking the blue line than Quinn Hughes. There's

(01:00:37):
no one better than control like cal mccarr rotating down
and Han't his shot is damn good. Victor Headman's the
best of those three defensively, and all three of them
control the puck in the neutral zone, so damn well.

(01:01:01):
But in today's the other issue with those stats is
that the can is that they are They don't measure
defensive skill very well. They are offensive or possession offensive
stats or possession stats, which lean are either neutral or

(01:01:22):
offensive in what they measure not defensive, So and what
is their position again, Kevin defense defense. So when when
you talk about the top the top echelon of players,
you need them to be good to be a top

(01:01:45):
five defenseman, you need to be good offensively, good in
the neutral zone, and good defensively. And unfortunately I don't
see that in Evan Bouchard. He's probably for me, He's
probably in the eight to fifteen range. I think that's
a bit of a big group there, including yeah, the
Noah Dobson's, the the brock Favors, the Charlie mcavoys. Like

(01:02:10):
when we discussed this, when that this post came out,
we list of I listed off players that I think
are deserved to be in this conversation, and like I
completely missed Dobson. I think I completely missed McAvoy trying
to list off defenseman that I think deserve a lot

(01:02:31):
of credit that don't don't get it. So it's and
there's a group. There's probably a group of five or
six that you could probably fit for your next two
defenseman in the top five there, but I think it's
for me. It's a top three and then a battle

(01:02:53):
for the lot. You can make an argument for a
lot of players for those other two spots. If you
want to list off your your.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Top five defenseman in the game, I would probably put
Miro high skin in in that macar Hughes headman group.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
I would just put him above.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
I mean, unfortunately injury prone, and I think we forget
Charlie Manconvoy because he also got injured. But I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
You have to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
He laid a massive, incredible, perfect hit on Connor McDavid
at the foreig Nations, like just yea perfect, absolutely perfect, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I think my skinning is just he's a step below
those those top three for me, but he's real close.
Dollien as well. I only people realize how good Masts
Dolling is because he's stuck in Buffalo unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yeah, yeah, he is stuck in a dumb actually, like
it's like it's a dumpster fire of an organization.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Like but he's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
And Zach Wrensky, I mean, I wish I love his talent.
I wish this guy was more, was healthier, but he's uh,
he's fun to watch too, so yeahh but yeah, I
just to me, yeah, I want to say that Evan
Bouchard is overrated, but I think that at times, and

(01:04:12):
maybe we're guilty of it too. I feel like we're
we get we watch our players, we watch our team
more than everybody else, so we tend to overrate our players.
And I feel like this is what's done here with
with Evan Bouchard. And I think that part of this
is I think that, of course the question is is
what you're going to pay Evan Bouchard because of that

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Jacob Chickering contract, which is a fascinating question that Edmonton
will have to answer for themselves. But it's that's it
will be an interesting question what you're paying Evan Bouchard.
I think that that's probably what they're trying to justify.
Evan Bouchard deserves ten million, maybe because.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
He's got he's three point nine million this year and
he's an R favor with our rights and he's going
to have all the arbitration argument there if they're gonna
want to and if they want to lock him up
long term. Yet it's gonna be tough.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Yeah, Yeah, And they got burnt this offseason with Holloway
and Broberg, and I think that they are.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
About that. And yeah, it's just going after Skinner, going
after arbitstin over taking care of Holloway and Broberg was
just not such such a bad move.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Yeah, yeah, and I do I remain. I think it's
going to cost the Oilers this year. I I don't
think that they're a Cup contender. I don't think that
they're the Cup contender everybody thinks they are. I the
hockey gods have when you make errors like Holloway and
Bromberg and you lose them, the hockey gods do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Not smile on you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Yeah, win championships, that's yeah, but we'll see on on
that end. And giving Victor Arbitson a no trade clause.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
No trade clauses are kind of the just the the
currency of the realm right now, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Yeah, yeah, that's their problem. Yeah, uh the there of course,
I think everybody's eyes have been on the Grade eight chase,
as he's now five away from tying Gretzky, and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
I mean that is a major story.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I am no question, I think and I do think
he at least ties it before we get into next year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
I think we're gonna see that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
But there's an under there was an underrated historic moment
here that happened Sidney Crosby comblaying Gretzki record. He is
a point per game player for twenty consecutive seasons and
all things considered, And we talked earlier about how bad
the Pittsburgh Penguins have been for the last couple of

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years and what is this going to be. This is
about the third straight year that the Penguins are going
to miss the playoffs, which is just unbelievable to me.
I just he's still Sidney Crosby. He is still that
guy that just grinds it out and you know, he's

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I mean, his backhand will go down as one of
the greatest in the game. But there's probably not like
in terms of other like, wow, what does Sidney Crosby
do better than everybody else? He just works his ass off.
I think he's one of the harder worker players.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
He's Sydney. Therefore he is the best player of his generation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Yeah, in top five all time, close to top four,
but top he's top five all time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
For me, that's hard to argue against that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
So, and I just don't think that he's getting Unfortunately,
that deserves the recognition that it gets. It should, that
deserves a little bit more recognition I get it Ov.
What Ov's doing is phenomenal and easy to watch, but
what Crosby is doing continues to be amazing and like, no,
Malcolm again bringing up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Kids. It's yeah, just anyway, it's fantastic. Like I said,
best player of his generation, and like you saw how
good he was even in the Four Nations, Like it
just was so nice to see him playing with all
the best players. Look, I can't wait to see him

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in the Olympics next year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Nope, yeah, Uh, is there anything else we need to discuss?

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
No, I think we've covered a doll keav All right, well,
how do we follow everyone? I am Beardy connects there
with three on Twitter, x machine.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Whatever you want to call it the social media hell.
Devin is the fire hose, the fire hose. Yes, Devon
is on Instagram at devn Holmes Smith find him there.
Chris Schneid's s E H an E I d zed
Tyler is t N O B l e uh again
out doing reughing stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I am k E v O l E.

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Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Well