Canucks Post Deadline Discussion

What the Canucks did and didn't do leading up to the NHL Trade Deadline.
Carson Soucy gets traded, Brock Boeser and Pius Suter do not.
Elias Pettersson (the forword) addresses the media and breaks his scoring slump


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
And I quote, I'll be there in a minute, give
me a second. Time is relative, folks, Time is relative.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
So hey, cheers to everybody in the chat. Is their
division rival? I don't care how many how many wins
they get. Screw them. That wasn't the take I was
expecting to here. I want to gush over watching live Christianna.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I think that we completely underestimate the skill it takes
to play defense.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
One highlight or several highlights does not call their trophy.
Make I'm stepping in here. I'm going to be the
across the old man here. They need to learn patience.
They need to understand attention, the drama. Oh dere look
at this.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
How is beccamor dot giddy? The penalty.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
You got? You guys need to calm down with this. Okay,
you guys need to calm down with.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Tyler every time we have that and it's just Tyler.
Did you not hear the weekend or the Friday of
trade deadline in cannuts Land where there were well there
were no move was Friday. We did get a move
on Thursday, which we will touch on. But welcome to
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Speaker 2 (01:41):
You get your audio. Hello, Sean, how are you doing? Hey, keV,
I'm doing all right? Got Friday? What's a bit of
a hit show on social media? Post deadline? But? Uh,
what else do you expect from this drama addicted market?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yes, it is the Canucks of our lives, as someone
has so eloquently put it this year, like everything is
a soap opera move and like it needs like every
story should have a little bit of a.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Dun dun dum.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
After it, like it should be. That should be what happens.
But we'll get into the Kanucks trade deadline here, and
there was a move they did not completely go empty here,
So we start with what happened with the Rangers and
the last the Vegas Golden Knights. Riley Smith returned to

(02:37):
the Vegas Golden Knights from the New York Rangers. They
got a third round pick from the and then the Rangers,
pulling a Vancouver Canuck, traded this pick to the Canucks
for defenseman Carson Sussi, who scored the his first I
think was the first player of all the trade deadline

(02:57):
acquisitions that scored a goal for the.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yesterday against the Autuma.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
So Carson Seussie was a bit of a polarizing I
don't know. I don't think it was polarizes not the
right word. A lot of people were a little frustrated
with the play of Carson Seussie this year.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I think.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
He did have his struggles with Tyler Myers. I thought
he played a little bit was starting to play a
little bit better as the season went on. But there's
some other players that kind of took took that too.
So yeah, I I wish Carson Susey the best first
of all. But I think this is this trade made sense.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, it makes sense because you had other players that
stepped up and had their development was a lot quicker
than he expected. Elias Patterson the defenseman stepped up and
he basically as well as acquisition of Marcus Patterson just

(04:03):
knocked the knocked Susie down and down the depth chart,
and the Canucks got a third round pick for a
guy who's basically at well, when he's at his best,
he's probably a good number four slash five defenseman on
a team probably best slotted as a as a number five.

(04:26):
He played really well for the Canucks in the playoffs
last year and had was just inconsistent this year, and
I think was more more because of the whole team
being inconsistent, the whole team struggling more than him specifically.
In my opinion, I also have a tough spot and

(04:47):
a bit of a bias towards Carson Sussie as he
is his family is friends with Heidi's family up in Waynwright,
so I do actually have a Carson Susie signed hat
back here. So seeing him go was a bit a
little bit more of a bummer for me than many others.

(05:08):
But uh yeah, just I I it was it was fine.
Like I said, the development of DPD as well as
the acquisition of Marcus Patterson just really brought really really
just put a squeeze on, especially on the left side
of the defense for the Canucks. And uh so I

(05:31):
think it's it's it was good. I hate using this
term because I think it gets over used and and
just spammed out there because of we'll talk about this
a little bit later, But it was good asset management
because they had they had a glutton of solid left
shot defensemen, and they have a younger player in DPD
that they want to give more ice time to and

(05:54):
and and develop more so that it made sense to move, move, move,
Carson Sucy on yep.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
And the other thing is is the you talked about
MP three Marcus Patterson. I'm going to try to help
make that stick because I think that that's great. It's
a great nickname. But Philip Ronick has has stepped up
and probably played some of his better hockey the last
little while without Quinn Hughes. Especially in the Minnesota game.
He makes a couple of really nice passes, but I
think he's been playing a lot better as well. So yeah,

(06:24):
this this de the decore. I mean, if you're if
you want to criticize, I mean I'm hearing people. We're
about to get into the big part of this, but
I'm just going to start here. If you're gonna criticize
Patrick Alvin, if you want to, like say he should
lose his job, I would challenge you to examine anyone

(06:45):
that has revamped their blue line as well as Patrick
Alvin and the Canucks app.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Like you.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yep, yes, like they lose Quinn Hughes, they've lost Quinn
Hughes for most of the second half of the year,
they are able to bring in another a guy in,
a young player and EPD they like, you know, and
then then you bring in Marcus Petterson, like you you've
got a really solid, like blue line.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
That blue line is.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Not terrible at all. That's a very solid blue line.
And let's not forget Noah Jewleson is out for the year,
and I know that there's a lot of people that
were not necessarily high and Nold Juleson, but that is
a loss. That is a loss that you do need
to find a way to replace because he's an NHL player.
So yeah, if.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
They brought in they brought him Mancini as part of
the Jasam Alerdiel, the Marcus Petterson acquisition. Like Alvin's revamped
this blue line twice in the past eighteen months because
went into last season everyone was questioning the way the

(07:59):
blue line was hy'. He brought in Ian Cole and
Carson susci at the in the the summer of twenty
twenty four and or summer twenty twenty three, sorry, and
then he made this a door off trade last year,
and that really helped the team and the blue line

(08:21):
looked solid. Then they lost Ian Cole and the door
off to the free agency in the summer, they tried Deharney,
didn't work, but they moved on from him. They've and
they brought in Marcus Patterson, and then they brought in
man Geney and they've and then some of the they've

(08:41):
started to develop the defense down and down down on
the farm with with DPD. Now with the team, uh
intereted like an under an under I'm not sure underrated, underreported,
or what the right term is. But DPD was not
papered down to the AHL the deadline. So he's with Vancouver.

(09:06):
He's with the big club for the rest of the season,
regardless of whether the Canducts make the playoffs, go deep
in the playoffs, don't whatever, he's with them. Like Lequermak,
he was was paper down. See loss was papered down,
but DPD was not. They they see him as a
as a bona fide NHL R. Now, yeah, I think

(09:29):
it's hard to to ignore that, and I think it's
as much as people like, yes, it's his first pro
season in North America and maybe getting some more any
HL games potentially would be good, but also resting up
and and everything is going to help him as well.
And and getting getting to the offseason training and maturing

(09:51):
physically a little bit more too, is going to help him.
So I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that
they they didn't pay for him now, but it's a
it's an interesting seeing sort of twist two things. And
another I think it just shows how how highly they
value him in this organization. So yeah, I think it's

(10:14):
when you look at what Alvin's done with this blue line,
and yeah, I don't did anyone think that the Canucks
were going to go through this much turmoil through this season?
And is that really Alvin's fault? I think if you're like, again,
we talked, I made a little bit of a joke
about how the markets a little bit like it dick

(10:35):
to the drama, but I really do think it is
And like, yeah, you can throw tantrums and act like
he deserves to be fired, but that doesn't make it true.
And the Conducks are still in a playoff right It's
still in the playoff, Like, uh, I still think they're
in the playoff spot right now. I think they're what

(10:56):
one point back they Oh, well, let's pull the standing here.
They they beat they beat Minnesota on Friday, but last night.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Saint Louis beat or LA beat Saint Louis in overtime
last night, so that was and I let's let's not
let's remind everybody third is not out of the question here,
because like, I don't know if they can do it.
But I mean, we're gonna talk about the Winnipeg Jets

(11:30):
in a few minutes, but I'm not sure where I'm
at with the LA Kings, to be completely honest with you,
but we look at the.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Standard four points back at the Kings right now.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
It's so it's that's doable, right, that's.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, the third third place in the division still within
within grass if they can they connections, figure out the offense.
But yeah, so it's not it's not like they're the
only spot available is the second wild card spot. Yeah,
So when you're in the middle of a playoff race,

(12:09):
I think you have to you have to. I don't.
I'm like I said this, I think I've said this
earlier this year. Had had these seasons been swapped in
terms of not the even the turmoil too, but like
it had you whatever But had you had the clos
gone from missing the playoffs two years ago to being

(12:30):
in this spot in a playoff punt last season, and
then they go to and then some they they they
battle for a division this season, we wouldn't be having
like last season's reaction to the everything would be a
lot more positive. What happened was the expectations got ridiculously high.

(12:50):
Whether or not they were valid or over the top
expectations to beginning the season, I think is a It
was a good debate to have, but they they this
come back down, Like progress is not always linear, and
just because you have a bit of a dip here

(13:11):
doesn't mean that the trajectory of this team can't go
back up. Yes, they made it. They had to. They
had to move on from Miller, which is a big
which which is a big loss. But if they can
make the right moves in this summer, they could totally

(13:32):
be back up, battling for a division and being a
considered a cut, a bonafide playoff team and potentially a
Cup contender in the next two three years.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
This Pacific Division, like I don't like, it's not the
powerhouse that the Central Division is. Like, I don't think
the Kings are that great of a team. I I'm
sorry the Ailers didn't do nearly enough to tell me
that they're a Stanley Cup contender in any way, shape
or form. The Vegas Golden Knights were in the same

(14:06):
position that the Vancouver Canucks were last year, battling for
a wild card spot, and they were in the head
in the division. You've got Calgary, who it's a realistic
expectation for Calgary to have a step back next year.
I mean, they're probably playing over their water this year.
And then you got San Jose who's developing. Anaheim who

(14:28):
is a nasty team to play against, but I think
still think they're a few years away. So and then
you got you've got the mystery that is the Seattle kracking.
What is a cracket? We don't know even on the ice,
we don't know what a cracket is. So this is
not that strong of a it's not that strong a
division that the Canucks need to kind of there's no need,

(14:51):
there's no need for the panic here like this is Yeah,
I don't know, I don't know. I think people are
just completely over reacting I think to this. I mean,
I posted this on Twitter the reaction to well, and
I guess we'll dig into the best part here, but
just in general, the reaction to this trade deadline was

(15:12):
just absolutely baffling to me. It's just I don't feel
like people are truly examining this team in a deep
enough level to tell like, I think that there we're
catching onto narratives here, and we're kind of catching like
hockey analysis. Can I go on my old man soapbox here?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Eric I knows, Kevin, we're we are.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
We are an in generation of hockey analysis of catch
phrases to see. You know, we're so into the buy
sell asset management all of this. I don't think we
truly know what they mean, but we just say them.
It sounds really cool. I'm a hockey person and I
say that the conduction should buy sell. Oh that's not

(15:58):
good asset manage. But what is that set management?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Oh? I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
They should weaponize cap space? How do they weaponize cap space?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Like?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Like, let me let me Well can use the Flames
as example, and Dan made this great point too. The Flame.
There was a bunch of Flame fans that wanted Nasm
Cadri to be traded to Buffalo for Dylan Cousins. Nazim
Cadri has a no movement clause. Why in the living
hill is a thirty four year old nasm Cadri going
to go to Buffalo? Why is he going to like Buffalo?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Want to make that trade? Either?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah? Exactly?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Like what like just like really to just jump on
what you're what you're saying there can we live in
a world where the Irish armshair GMing and the fantasy booking,
whether you're doing shows or you and I are both
wrestling fans, the fantasy booking of wrestling, and if you don't,

(17:01):
if the teams don't do what you think is what
you have armchair gms or fantasy books, you're you're you
can when you're you're allowed to be upset. Like we're
not saying you can't be upset, but I think you
need to take a step back and and and analyze
what happened as opposed to the fantasy world that you

(17:21):
want to happen. I think is what I think. We're
in a world that struggles to find that balance, and
it's with the Canucks. Yeah, like asset management whatever that
analogous term really means. I think Yeah, they made a

(17:42):
good they made a good move because they had they
have They've got a a good, good glutton of left
shot defenseman in the organization. Because we didn't even talk
about crow kadrat Sev like that's he's He's stepped up
and had a really good first pro season as well.
Let alone, you've got Christian Walland and who who's a

(18:04):
good depth, depth defenseman on the On the in the organization,
you've got a Keto Herosse who was someone who that
who stepped up a couple of years ago and gave
the Canucks some a little bit of hope there. Uh
S reminio is uh has been has looked really good
now with the the Calgary Hitton then in the w

(18:26):
h L, previously with the Seattle Thunderbirds. I think it's
they've got there. You're starting to see the depth that
the Canucks are building. They let alone, you've got Archie
Bains who's been able to be a serviceable bottom pair
bottom of the lineup. Forward, You've got Max Sassoon who
came who's coming and looked good for the Canucks. Jonathan

(18:49):
Karamcki has had a really good first pro season in
North America. So I think it's the way. I think
the trajectory of the Canuck is actually better than what Yeah,
the majority of the loud market wants to let you
think in my and from from my yes, they're they're

(19:10):
not perfect. They've they've taken it. They've taken a step
back this year. But you've you've they've they had had
to trade away JT. Miller, but they brought in Marcus Patterson.
That blue line looks solid. Now you've got Hugheston Ronnic
as a pair. You got Petterson and Myers as a
pair that looks pretty solid. And then you've got DPD
coming up and looking good. I think the Connucks are

(19:33):
are decently are You've got Tom Tom Villander is someone who,
like I wouldn't be surprised if we see him turn
pro at at some point this year. Yeah. Now, how
much ice TEMs does it, dud does he get depending
on where the Canucks are in the playoff races, is
something to watch if that happens. But he's a he's

(19:54):
a he's a top pick and there the Canucks have
high expectations for him. So I just look it part.
Let's let let's let's get into the best discussion. He
wasn't traded. The Canucks were like as par Elliott framu

(20:14):
plans ra asking a first round pick for him. When
you look at Anthony Bolivier got a second round pick
and the Canucks I think that as much that I
think part of the issue is that there was so
many people in I've never really heard it from the

(20:35):
mainstream media, but there's a lot of people on the
fringes of or guess yeah, the fringes of the media
that we're talking about how this is. This was a
seller's market, and I think it was a very weird.
It wasn't like a true sell like seller's market, as
much as people wanted to say it was, because there

(20:55):
was there's so many teams in the mushy middle, including
the Canucks, where if they were going to do it,
they needed it needs to be the right the right deal.
It wasn't like they could the Canucks could have wanted
a cold could The Connects were in a position that
if they were going to trade brock Bester, it had
to be another sort of similar deal to what they

(21:17):
did with Bo Harvard back in the day, what they
did with Jason Miller, where even if they got future assets,
they were going to be able to flip them or
help help immediate help. Now that could be long, long
term solutions, and that never material materialized, and you can't

(21:39):
just like, oh, just the same. In my opinion, the
same people that are are are yelling and screaming and
crying about the Caduckts not moving brock Bester for quote
unquote asset management purposes would also be crying, screaming and
yelling about the fact that brock Besser was only got
the same as Anthony Bolivier if they accept they accepted

(22:03):
a second round pick. Look at Look look at Boston. Yeah,
how upset is that market based on the fact that
they only got a conditional pick for Brad Marsham in
twenty twenty eight by the way, Yeah, and it's so
far down the road that you're a lot of fans
aren't even to see it. Like it's it was as

(22:27):
soon as like there's. Colorado was a big buyer, Dallas
was a big buyer. Carolina was doing stuff, but was
so caught up in the Ranton like the Ratton kerfuffle,
that they couldn't they weren't able to make any any moves.

(22:49):
Toronto Toronto made Toronto and Winnipeg made big buys, but
they were looking for defenseman in centers. Yeah, not not
a not a scoring winner. I think the other thing
with wings too is that they need to fit your
system and they need to fit in your in your
roster lineup like effectively in today's NHL. And as much

(23:13):
as that sucks with the Canucks, because yeah, Brockbster is
a very damn good hockey player. And if then and
getting a first if the Conuts were able to get
a first round pick for him and then maybe flip
but maybe maybe not at the deadline, but maybe in
the summer for some some help going into next season,
would have been would have been good. But you're also

(23:34):
is that is that gonna is that player going to
replace or whatever it would have happened, would have been
able to help the connunct more than Brockbster right now
and maybe even into the future. Because I'm gonna make
the bold prediction, I think the Canucks do re sign Brockbester.
Just because they played hardball with him doesn't mean that

(23:56):
he doesn't want to stay. He does want to stay, but.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, I think he wants I think that this part
of The issue here is like to compare this situation
to Amiko Ranton in and is they just to put
that perspective. Ranton didn't want to be in Carolina for
whatever reason that you know, you dig into the issues
or not he wanted to move on so that he
was willing to negotiate. I don't know if brock Besser.

(24:26):
I think that the problem with brock Besser is he
would have been playing hard ball with a lot of
other teams. So from another tea's perspective, I can see
why you're not giving up a first round pick for
guy that is ultimately probably going to be a rental.
But and I think that's because I think he does
want to stay in Vancouver. I think he's been very
public about that. And I don't think that the Canucks

(24:49):
really want to move on from Brockbesser. It's a they're
both playing hardball. It's it's a negotiation, and.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
That two has signed two shorter term deals and you
want something a little bit longer term, and he's pushing
for this seven eight years, seven eight years, which is
a lot. I think you and I both agree that
when signing a player who's in their late twenties to

(25:20):
a to a to an eight year deal I think
is not necessarily the best best for roster management and everything,
but if you can get it, Like, I feel like
there is a sweet spot to be made here between
Besser and the Canucks, and I wouldn't like I'm not

(25:40):
saying it's gonna happen, like I guaranteed, but I'm gonna
say I think it can't happen, and I think it
should happen.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, it's I mean, I would I have liked an
extension for Brock Besser before the deadline, sure, but.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
It didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I mean the quote that has gotten around that it
was the Alviing quote which was basically, if you heard
what we were getting offered for Besser, you wouldn't believe me.
And then Freeman Reporter, that's a first round pick. I
think to also think that there's a part of this
market that has a very and I think if Chris

(26:19):
was on here, I think Chris is probably the biggest
one of all of this. There is a very soft
spot spot in the Canucks market for Brockbasser, Like it's
a very soft spot for him. Well, I feel like
Chris has been more like Chris has been more vogue.
I'm not saying you don't, but Chris has been very
vocal about that though too. Yeah, but it's almost it's

(26:41):
almost a Johnny Gridreau ish sort of. Not I wouldn't
say that much, but I think that there's a love
for Brockbesser for a lot of a lot of people.
But what he's been gone through through his career with
his father passing away, like there's a like we look
at how from a human being perspective, not from a

(27:02):
coloring book perspective at times, So we understand that, I think.
But I think that there there is a relationship and
even with Alvin and Rutherford as direct and as blunt
as they come across, there's still some people within that
organization that I think understand where Besser is coming from.

(27:24):
And I don't think that this relationships is as damaged
as people think. Like, I just don't think that I
can see Besser signing back. I you know, maybe, I
mean everyone has connected him to Minnesota, and I think
that that's I don't know if that's possible in the
offseason for Minnesota, considering well, maybe with the cap issues.

(27:47):
There's maybe the Rangers too with JT. Miller, But I
can see Besser coming back and if he has a
good playoff, if they get in, then you know, yeah,
ultimately the like, I think people need to understand.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
And this is what the pew suitters thinking.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
And let me before I'm gonna go on a pew
Shuter ramp, because there's a lot of people out there
thinking that this is a guy that is replaceable. He's not,
Like I'm not, No, he is.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
He's the middle of the lineup player. Yes, he's a
Swiss army knife. He can play all three positions. That's fan.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
You can find that elsewhere. He's not replaceable for a
playoff run. Now with this team, You're not going to
find another pew Shuoter now the trade.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Deadline, Like, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I still you may lose him. You may. He probably
will be overpaid.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
In the offseason.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
But this is a guy that I think you need
in a playoff run. I just don't think he's I
don't think it's as easy to find pew Suters as
people want to believe, like it's in the regular season.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I would say that, yeah, I would say that if
you where the Canucks are at within ownership down through
management and all that they do want to take a
run at the playoffs here, Yeah, you're not. You weren't
going to replace him, but you do have someone in
in the system lastually, a couple of players in the
system that could play that role next year in Nasho,

(29:25):
ra Too and mac sss on. Maybe they won't be
as good as be a Suitor at this point, but
they could grow into it. Both of those players I
think have that have that potential. So yes, I don't
I do not think we're going to see Tia Suitor
back as the conduct after after this season. But that
doesn't mean that they made a mistake not trading him, No, Nope, No,

(29:50):
there is there is risk, man, it's it's a risk
of management. But like just for.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I, like I know that everyone everybody wanted to do.
And this is, you know, the fact of the matter
is is the Canucks are going are in a playoff race,
and they're going to compete for the playoff race. And
I guess this is do you call I'm gonna use
my I guess I'm gonna use my old man saying here,

(30:21):
we've got a generation of quitters on social media, Sean,
a generation of people that just want to quit. It's
not well, we're one point out of the playoffs. We're
just competing for the And I'm saying this for about
the Flames Twitter because I saw this and the Canucks Twitter.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
We're gonna get take to the first round. What is
the point of even battling for the playoffs? It's only
gonna be Sean, what by well, why don't we get
on a draft pick? All those draft picks will help
us in the future. Are you kidding me? Like again,
this is playoff competition is how you grow players. You

(31:04):
want to meet Rick talk at Saane, meet pressure with
pressure meat where you are meeting pressure with pressure right now.
That's what the cutups are doing. You don't give up.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
And yes, yes the Canucks made the playoffs last year,
but it's a completely different team now. You don't have j. C. Miller.
You've got You've got You've got some other players who
need to step up and they need to play better
in a more elevated role. All the pressures done on
on on feeding now that like if he can, if

(31:36):
he can draft, if he can help this team make
the playoffs and play in the playoffs as the as
the guy, the guy up front that's gonna help him
in the long term. You've got brock Bester who needs
to Like again, you've got John You've got Jonathan Karamaki
like that. I don't see them sending him down until

(31:57):
they're out of it right now with the current lineup,
which I I think has potential here if they can
figure out if they can the chemistry can can't get going.
He's currently on the line with Dree O'Connor and Philip Heedo.
Speaking of two players that are are in elevated roles

(32:19):
compared to where they were held specifically as someone who,
you've got Petterson and Heli who are playing in more
elevated roles compared to last season when they were both
in the playoffs. Yep, you've got yeah, You've got to Yeah,

(32:42):
you've got DPD who need who is going to benefit
from playing in tough games like it. Every time you
play in tough games, every time you play in meaningful games,
it helps and and and just selling because you don't think,

(33:04):
you don't think you have a the fans that wanting
teams to sell because they don't think they have a
quote unquote chance. Yeah, it is a quitter's mentality. Talks
about this on on this podcast multiple different times. The
quitter's mentality that is in that that it comes across
here is just it's frustrating, and it's like, I want,

(33:33):
I want to watch playoff I miss playoff hockey, the
I miss being emotionally invested in games, Like I haven't
been a lot beginning of the season. Yes, I was
probably too much actually, but it's and now I've sort
of taken taken a step back and I'm no longer
as emotionally invested because it's a long fucking season. Yeah,

(33:54):
but also like it's and the connects haven't had but
I want I want that back, like having the Four
Nations where I was emotionally invested in and much more
attensive to games than I have for a lot of
and for a lot of the NHL regular season. I
loved it. I missed it. I want it. And yeah,

(34:16):
like I do think that it doesn't matter if you've
been in the playoffs before. Every playoff game helps, it
helps you figure things out. Actually, you know who was
also a player who I want to see in the
playoffs this year on the conducts is Neils Hogelander. He
disappeared last year in the playoffs. Yeah, and he's been

(34:37):
in spurts and jumps here currently on the fourth line
with Lugerant and Sherwood. But if he can step up
and show the way he played, he can play with
the tenacity and the for checking and even showing skill
here and there. Like it's going like more playoff games
for players like Neils Hogelander helps exactly. You developed.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
You learn how to win by being put in situations
that you win. Like the Washington Capitals are a phenomenal
example of what we're talking about here, because they last
year they were minus fifty five I think in goals
for aains getting into the playoffs, and they were going
to be kicked by the New York Rangers.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Everybody knew it.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Now they're second in the league in the NHL points,
you know, like so they obviously, I mean, they made
some good ads they added. I mean, Jabise worked out
so far, and Manjapani is working out so far. Their
goaltending has been fantastic, and Ovechkin is on a legendary
run here, a special run. But they've they figured it

(35:46):
out and now that like, I don't know. I think
I think even going through those battle, going through that
adversity of going through this stuff is how you learn
to win. You can't back away from that. It's like,
and I'll say this, I think draft picks at times
are very overrated.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
And this was a draft.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
This was not a seller's market. This was a draft
pick market. This was not a seller's market. Like you
look at everybody that got like everybody, there was very
few players in terms of selling that were moved, like
he had Fraser Minton and for Brandon Carlow, Spencer Night
in the Saza Jones trade. You had Calum Richie and

(36:30):
the brock Nelson trade and a couple of others. But
it really was more about draft picks and not even
twenty twenty five draft picks. It was mostly twenty twenty six,
mostly twenty twenty seven. This was not this was a
draft pick market. I wouldn't say it was a seller's market.
I think people get over hyped about draft picks and

(36:52):
get over they they see Jianni Gore traded for a
first round pick or two first round picks, and they're like,
oh my goodness, Seattle did, so they're actually really early
second round pick when you look where Tampa, Bache and
Toronto was going to be in the standing like that,
I just think that we overhype draft picks a lot.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, I saw some some talk about how the kind
of missed the missed the opportunity to to show Quinn
Hughes that they're to give him more confidence in them
by not by not moving players out for picks. I like,
I don't think getting a couple of draft picks for

(37:38):
Suitor and Bester would have sold Quinn Hughes on anything,
because the whole that there's there, We're at the point
where everyone's all freaking out about Quinn Hughes leading, even
though he's got two more years on his deal after
this year. Like it it's you have like this this

(38:02):
offseason is gonna say a lot more to Quinn Hughes
and how they play going into next year than anything
more a lot more than what they would have done here.
Like the only thing that they would they could have
done here that to to sell Quinn Hees, not even
to would have found a way to get like a
Miko Ranton without giving up any major assets. Yeah, Like

(38:27):
the The problem with that Ranton deal is that they
needed Carolina needed a a roster player back and would
have had to have been like that certain two first
Ranton with the Connects have done that. Probably not. Have
they been able to get away with using the Karamaki
and some some draft capital to make it work, maybe,

(38:54):
but it just I don't know. I think that I
think that the idea that trading players for picks would
would would have helped the Cannucts sell Quinnhughes on the
future of this of this organization. I think is is
a flawed argument. I don't think it actually holds any weight.
I think it's the mystery door of the of the

(39:17):
draft picks. Is is a bit of a Again, it's it,
it's the it's the whole. It's the hope that kills you, right,
you hope that every draft pick turns out right, not
every draft pick turns out no.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
And that's the thing, right, you have to be consistently
drafting very well, not only in the first round but
all through because you are going to there are going
to be missus that just happens, right, So, I.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Mean, here's it's it's an interesting discussion because then people
would come back it, you'd say, And that's why you
need as many draft picks as possible because you know
not everyone's going to pick turn out, so you want
as many opportunities to get it right as possible, which
is which is fair, but you still need to balance
it out with what you're trying to do at the time.

(40:08):
And the Canuckts are over the rebuild part now. They're
they've had to retool, reconstruct whatever r E word you
want to use over the past two years and this
and out. Like the other thing I remember hearing is
that is this is this core stale? I'm like, this
core has been turned over massively in the past two

(40:30):
three years. Yea, thered that like they traded their captain
in gohorvat Broad in the Philip Ronic he's part of
the core now they've had to trade j. C. Miller.
We don't know what's going to happen with Professor. The
core has drastically changed. They've got Jake Debresk, He's part

(40:51):
of the core now too. Marcus Patterson's part of the
core now too. What happened They They've signed Kevin Lankin
into a four year deal. What happens with Damco's up
in the air. I don't think it means that Damco's gone,
that they signed lincon in. I think this is a
two goalie league, and I think depending on what I think,

(41:12):
it's like, what Damco's got what one more year after this? Yeah, yes, yeah,
he's got one more year at five million after this,
you can totally go in the next year nine and
a half million dollars up for goaltenders. That makes you're
you're you're paying less for your goal tenders, and than
New York is for Schusterkin. You're playing more less than

(41:35):
your goaltender for your goal tennis and Florida is for Bobrovsky.
It can be done, especially with the cap going up.
So and just because Linkl then signed to that deal
doesn't mean that he can't be traded later on if
dam Kobe refines his form.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah yeah, and it's healthy, Yeah, exactly so. And the
other before before we examined the if the plane the
Canucks will be taked into playoffs, let's talk about the
reality of a possible trade, the reality of an unconventional

(42:16):
way to look at a trade deadline acquisition.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
We had.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I mean this was a heavy week in news, but
we did have the miya culpa apology from Elias Patterson
forty coming to grips was saying, yes, he knows how
to he needs to play better. Yes, his comment towards
with towards Ian McIntyre, which I don't necessarily think was
a direct shot at the media, but the media took

(42:42):
it at people took it as a So he apologized
for that situation where he's spent more time on the ice.
He paid played twenty five minutes of really solid hockey
against Anaheim, even though he didn't score a point, and
that I thought it was really dangerous against the Minnesota
wild If and I actually think for the most parch

(43:03):
the second half of the year, I think we've seen
a better in general, better Peterson than we did in
the first half. I know that a lot of people
are looking at that four Nations and he wasn't great. There.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
A lot of players weren't, No exact top players weren't
yet did not have the points in that tournament. Was JT.
Miller like, yeah, it when you're when you're playing that
that tournament, like even like that tournament was all the
best fucking players in the world, and it was well

(43:37):
coached and well played by everyone. It was tight hockey.
There wasn't much room out there, and you saw that
the top players come out and prove that they're the
top players, but they didn't dominate the tournament. That's how
good that tournament was. Yeah, the best. I take a

(43:59):
lot of that of that with a grain assault. Honestly,
I think it was more. Again, we talked about how
in today's day and age, it's all about it's not necessary.
It feels like it's Yeah, it's outrage it's a lot
more outrage based than thought based. In my opinion.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Well, you look at who could have been the m
v P of that tournament. There was a lot of people.
I would if the US won, I think Jacob Slaven
probably may have won the m v P.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Right, you wouldn't have well he was, he was in
the conment. It would have been hell about.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Okay, So my point, but the point you're you're making
my point with me in terms of like this was
a very defensive, low scoring tournament that it wasn't like
it wasn't there wasn't really a forward that dominated. I
mean you look back at people were tweeting about the
tweets economy.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
David.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Before he scored that winning goal, a lot of people
felt he was invisible, and he scores the winning goal,
So you know, yeah, anyway, but if you get my
point is back to Peterson, if you get him back
to where he is, that is a trade deadline acquisition
in the sense that he's he's look. I think, for me,

(45:17):
just whatever has happened, and I think there's a lot
here that I think we will eventually learn. I don't
think that this I think this was more of a
mental injury or mental than it was physical. And I'm
not necessarily it's probably confidence. I think that's a part
of the pie. But I think that there's some other

(45:38):
things that happened here too that we will eventually learn
when when he is ready to tell his part of
that story and he gets his space to do that.
If if he is the way totally and that's his
that's his no, yeah, and that's you know what, that's
totally fine.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Fine. Yeah, I think that the whole PD is that again,
it's it's not like J. C. Miller is gone and
always lifted off his shoulders and he's gonna start playing better.
He's been slowly finding his game even before j the
j C. Miller trade, we had that one game I
think it was versus Toronto where he just was like
just a defensive just beast, but he wasn't finding the offense.

(46:22):
That's he's been fining defensively for most most of this
the second half of the season specifically, the whole issue
with J. C. Miller was that, like, when he's on,
yet he can dominate a game, but when he's off,
he's a liability. When PD's off, he's not necessarily a liability.

(46:43):
He just does he can't dominate. He's not He hasn't
dominated games the way he's paid to do, in the
way we want him to. Yeah, yeah, and we're if
we can, if he can start like that. The one
thing about his goal against Minnesota, which is really nice,
it was a one time Yep. We haven't seen a
lot of one time out of him for a lot consistently,

(47:06):
and hopefully that will help start, help kick kick start
some more confidence and his willingness to shoot, because that's
been a massive problem. He just hasn't been shooting. And
if he can find find the confidence and willingness to
shoot again, the offense will come again for him. He's
got he's got too good of a shot, because not

(47:26):
only will that open up like not only will that
he'll score more, it will open up more of the
passes that he's actually been looking for. So, yeah, if
if the Canuts can get pet going and they can
get that offense going, whether it's nancoln In or Zamco
and that the defensive game that they've been playing as

(47:47):
a team and that improved blue line, they're gonna be there,
gonna be a tough team to play against, regardless of
where they finish, whether it's they can catch l A
for third in the division or playing either Vegas or
Edmonton in the first or they're playing Winnipeg in the
first round with the second wildcard spot. And the reality

(48:09):
is Calgary.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
We mean, we talked about that on Friday. Calgary didn't
do anything in the trade deadline. Saint Louis didn't do
anything at the trade deadline. Utah traded legendary former Arizona
Coyote Shaye Weber at the trade deadline, but they really
didn't do anything to add to their team. So you know,
everybody's kind of in that same boat in some ways.

(48:33):
It will be a battle. But let's let's examine this.
This the will be caked in the first round from
the Vancouver Canucks against the Winnipeg Jats if they play
the Jets, which is probably the realistically, that's probably the
more than fifty percent chance that that's going to happen.
I gotta tell you, I don't I'm not completely sold

(48:55):
on this Jets team. I think that they're all of
the pressure in a playoff series between the Canucks and
the Jets will be on the Jets because they have
not been able to get past that first round.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
They had that for one.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Good gaming is Colorado and then Colorado. If you want
to talk about a caking, go back and watch what
Colorado did to Winnipeg and Winnipeg had home ice advantage.
I think they missed out on getting in a number
two center.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
I think I would have.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
I think Winnipeg really wanted brock Nelson that didn't happen.
I think Brandon Channa and Luke Shann are good ads,
but does it get them over the top. I'm not convinced.
This feels like a power play one line team and
we know that the Tyler will be on here and
will back us up calls are different in the playoffs,

(49:44):
you know, the power play thing is a lot different.
I look at the Canucks if Demco Lanken and I
think gives them a puncher's chance in terms of gold matchup.
If Quinn Hughes is back, all due respect, I love
Josh Morrissey, but Quinn Hughes is the best defenseman in
that series, and forward wise, you probably give the edge

(50:06):
to Winnipeg, but it's not this massive, major edge I
think the Kuducks have. I need to I said this
on Hot Take Hockey on Friday. I've said this on Twitter.
I think the Kuducks can beat the Jets in the
first round. I really do.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I do not think that that is a chance. Yeah,
well it'll it'll come. It'll come. It'll come down to
the goaltending, honestly, in that In that in that series,
more than anything else, I think Hella Bucks got like
regardless of who who the Canucks have in net, Helibucks
got the edge there. He's just been that damn good

(50:40):
over the past few seasons, including this year. But it's
not like he's infallible. He didn't win those coronations. He
got beat by Jordan Benton in the Four Nations, Like, yeah,
it can happen, and we, like I talked, I got
into this as well, Like what what happened with the
Tampa Bay uh in twenty nineteen, Yeah, Columbus, Columbus beat them,

(51:02):
exactly what happened to Boston.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Yeah, people forget Florida was an eight seed getting to
the final.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
That's the thing is that it doesn't matter. And I'm
not saying We're not saying that the Connus are going
like can go to the Cup the Cup final, maybe,
but I don't. I think realistically we can say that's
probably not gonna happen. But that doesn't mean that going
into we talked, going back to what we said, it
doesn't mean that going to the playoffs is a is
a waste of time. They're going it. You've got You've

(51:40):
got like Kara Maki will be part of the team,
Coogland will be part of the team, depeatedly part of
the team. Those are three young players who need who
need to play and let need to need to play
in in playoffs to help their developments. You've got TD
who d P forty, who's got a bone, a bone
to pay, and things to prove in the playoffs. You've

(52:03):
got Quinn Hughes who wants to play in the playoffs.
You've got the whole fucking team wants to play in
the playoffs and show that they belong and deserve to
be in the playoffs. The other thing is like, if
you want to have a longer development and build a
perennial contender, you need to be in the playoffs. Yeah,
you do, you do, and you need to. You need

(52:27):
you need to learn how to win tough games. The
more the more games you play at the highest level possible,
the better. Yep, exactly exactly, And you also you'll also
also have a better idea of what players to go

(52:48):
go forward with going into next season.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yeah, what is Toronto evaluating Mitch Marner on right now?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Who can?

Speaker 1 (52:57):
They're not caring about the regular season Mitch Marner at all.
It's about playoff Mitch Marner so.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Has decided to Yeah, it's it's all. It's all about
the playff because they know, like, what's he done. He's
something a hell of a hell of an offensive season
for the for them this year. Yeah, but nobody cares
until April.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah, and you look at Dallas, who's been kind of
that model franchise that everybody is looking at.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
We'll get to them in a moment.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
But part of the reason that they're doing so well
is that they're they are getting their players in playoff
positions to grow, like Thomas Harley had some I think
Thomas Harley, Liam Bishell, you know, even stank Covid, Wyatt Johnson,
they're able to I mean Stankovid now with Carolina, but
I mean they're able to grow because they played in

(53:49):
the play Jacob Like, good grief. If you were a
Dallas Star fan, you should have been like wasting what
a waste of eight days playing the Calgary Flames a
couple of year years ago. Oh wait, they took him
the seven because Jake Ottinger took on his head. It
is now one of the best goalies in the NHL.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Like, yeah, I can't.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
I just don't. I don't buy it, Like it's just
such a frustrating take to tell me, Like it's such
a bad take. It's you know, and what do you
tell your players in the dressing room that you're going
to sell that you're in a Like do you honestly
think that players are playing for draft pick? Do you
think Quinn I mean you touched on this, but let
me add to this. Do you think Quinn Hughes' future

(54:33):
is based on if they trade sell their off, sell
off assets for the draft picks? Like, are you kidding me?
And someone said, we'll get you a better team, We'll
get you a real playoff team. We probably like I
said this with like, I asked Robert Munich this because
he's one of them, and I'm not. I respect what,
I love what Ring a Fire does on a regular basis.

(54:55):
He's phenomenal what he does. We disagree on this point.
And I asked him this, what do you tell Dustin
Wolf after this phenomenal season that you're gonna sell assets
and draft picks away because you're not because you don't
think that you're a good enough team. Like, what are
you telling him? And he's got a contract to sign
in a couple of years If you're doing that, if

(55:16):
I'm dusted Wolf, I'm telling you a fuck right off,
I'm not signing with you. I don't trust you. And
that would be probably the same with Quinn Hughes. Fuck
right off, you're doing this, Go to hell, I'm not
signing with you.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yeah, anyway. It's not like the Canucks gave up at
that's to parentals this time. It didn't make sense for
them to do that. No, they actually, in essence, they
actually have done a bit of a cell this year.
They traded away JT. Miller, they traded away Carson Sussi.
They've brought that, they've brought in. They actually added draft

(55:52):
picks this year. I mean it's maybe just one, the
third round pick because they moved that first out for
but they've got they actually got younger. They got Philip
Heedel and they brought in Victor Mantini, Dree O'Connor, Marcus Patterson.
They've actually rebuilt this retooled this team. They made their

(56:13):
they made their moves earlier. And that's that's what this
management does every year. Last year, even last year, the
complaint was the Cressidents do enough at the quote unquote deadline,
even though they made their moves lot early. Zador Off
in Lindholm, yeap.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Trade the trade dreadline drama like it's it's a dread
like that's a soap opera in and of itself, because
I think people have just so many expectations of what
to happen. There, but yeah, it's you know, sometimes the
best trades are are the ones that aren't made. Before
we move on, I do want to talk about one
other thing with the Canucks that did happen last night.

(56:54):
I forgot to put this on the agenda, Sean, sorry,
but I do want to acknowledge this because he is
a guy that I have a bit of a soft
spot for. The Abbots for.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Canucks did make a move.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
They got back Jujar Karra to from Springfield and I
always will remember Jujar Kara for a very unfortunate fight
that he had when he was playing the Oilers during
that bubble year right against Milan Loo Chee, where it
was disturbing to watch his head hit the ice the
way that it did and I I that, like I

(57:25):
literally had a little bit of a tear in my eye.
So I'm actually very I just wanted to say, very
happy to see Jujar Kara is still playing. I hope
he's okay and that's it. I hope he does really
well on Abbots for it, because that's a guy that I,
you know, I can imagine has been through a lot
since that one one punch that he took the punch
of Adi tech and concussions are not a fun thing,

(57:47):
but I did want to touch on that.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, it's a good, good, good sort of depth ad
for the for Abbotsburg. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, anything else with
the Canucks that we needed to get I think I
think we've got around the circle a couple of times
on the conduct. Yeah, and scene.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
It was a very interesting NHL trade deadline, and of
course the main character of it was Miko Ranton and
the Carolina Hurricanes. And this started just before the Foreign
Nations where it was Friday night trades. For a couple
of weeks there we had the the Meko Rent first
the JT. Miller was on a Friday Night and then
but the Miko Ranton and for martynecast, Jack Dury uh and.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
And a couple of other things ended up in Carolina.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Uh and then the Carolina drama happened, and it just
didn't feel like it was going to work. So Eric
Tolsky decided, you know, and me Coorant and I think
they have probably most of this team decided let's move
on from this. And he ends, like the word is,
he was ending up in Dallas, and he does end

(59:00):
up in Dallas with for Logan stank COVID two first,
two thirds, first in twenty six first and twenty seven. Uh,
I guess for Caroline, I just I you know, I
I give Eric Tulski credit. He tried something, it didn't
work out. He got something for it. I mean, it
doesn't a lot of people are gonna say he ends

(59:21):
up with a gout in his face. You know what
he tried. He absolutely tried something. It didn't work out.
I give him full credit for that effort. But are
the Dallas Stars the Stanley Cup favorite?

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I mean they should be. They what they added Ranson in,
They've already added Gramlins and cc earlier let alone. They
made that they signed by Johnson's took a contrast extension
on the deadline day as well. They've got depth. Rupe
Hens left last night after a a scary incident. But

(01:00:02):
they've got depth, They've got the tigh end skill. I
think they Yeah, if they're healthy, they should be the
Stanley Cup favorites. They've got and during nets they've got
your high skin and on the blue line. Yeah, I don't.
I don't see how you can't make a legitimate argument
that they are the top favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Now the only concern that I have with the Stars
is I'm not convinced that right. I mean, I'm I'm
gonna assume they're going to move into the right side,
but I'm not sure that right side of that blue
line is is a strength. But we'll see. They still
are going to be a really good team. So did

(01:00:44):
you have any thoughts on that whole ranted in situation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, that Caroline may not be as good a team
as they were pre in these two trades, but Banko
and still a really good player, and they still have
got assets that they can use to make moves on
in the off season. Like I don't see them hanging
on to those picks. No, No, they're gonna go Yeah.

(01:01:14):
So and then yeah, Dallas is solid. Yeah, the right
side of the blue line right now. When they got
to Dumba, CC and Labushkin, who are the healthy ones. Yeah,
I expect high school when he comes back to play
on the right side. So because you've got Lindell Harley
and Brandon Smith or Early and Bischel, Yeah, officials monster,

(01:01:40):
yeah to be what's hilarious though, is that that that
what is most likely going to be a first round
matchup is ridiculous in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Holy smoked that, Like and you talked about a team
that went through like a complete reve have rebrand throughout
the year. They traded both of their goalies, they added
a defenseman, They've revamped their entire forward group, the bringing
in Knee ch Ass Brock Nilson and Charlie Coyle, and

(01:02:13):
then they brought they added Ryan Lindon as well. Like,
this is a brand new Colorado Avalanche team and that first,
that's gonna be And with the Miko Ranton in drama, Oh,
that's insane, that is gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
That's juicy. So yeah, I think and on Carolina side,
you've got to probably the biggest uh two of the
best sort of water bug energy short smaller energy players
who are skilled in the in the league in Stankovin
stank ovid now can learn from uh uh Suth Jarvis. Yeah, Jarvis, Yeah,

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Like it's I think it's I think for what they
took a swing, but I don't think they're Maybe they're
a little bit worse off this year, but I think
going into next year in the year beyond, they're something
gonna be competitive. Yep. They Yeah, they have to do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
They probably just realize they need to do business a
little bit differently and there's a learning opportunity there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yeah, So you had the Colorado revamp, Winnipeg getting We
talked about them getting Brandon Tannem and Lucien We'll just
quickly run through the Vegas only does Riley Smith I
think they got well, we'll talk about I think they
got scooped at the end with Marshawn. But the Edmonton Oilers, uh,

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Jake Wollman had a really good game yet against the Stars.
I do think it's a that's a solid ad. But
one thing I will say that nobody is taught. One
thing nobody's talking about that Oiler's penalty kill is not
as good as it was last year. And we talked
about this earlier in the year. The one reason that
one of the guys that spent a lot of time
on that penalty kill was Cody CC. And I do

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think that that was more of a miss than people
gave credit for. I know the analytics were showing some
really rotten numbers with.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Cody CC, but.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I think that sometimes you can use analytics as your
own bias, and I will I will counter analytics with
pal with fact based penalty killing percentage, which is that
as seventy eight percent at home for the Edmonton Oilers.
I don't think they did enough. To be honest with you,
I'm not still not sold in this Oilers team overall.

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I think that offseason was clearly shown that it was
a massive overrate by everybody involved. They're they're not playing
Jeff Skinner. They could You've used Dylan Holloway and they can't,
couldn't get rid of Victor Arbinson.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
And I Evander Kaine may come back in the regular
in the playoffs, but he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
The Evander Kaine that is going I don't believe he's
gonna be the Evander Kain. We know everybody thinks he's
going to be. I'm just still not sold on the
Oilers team.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Yeah, I agree with there keV. I think it's a
wellman's a good ad. I think they made good ads,
but I don't think they ever really solved the issues
that are I have played them. Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
So last week, Sean, of course, his wrestling fans, all
of us were shocked by the John Cena heel term
in Toronto. The Rock has it for Toronto, The Rock
hates Toronto. Like, there's no question he's pulled some of
his greatest heel work in Toronto the front famous promo

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where he called the maple leafs the maple leafs suck
a number of years ago and then this anyway, But
the Florida Panthers continued their heel run when Brad Marshawn
was acquired. But I and I think, I'm I don't
have proof of this, but I think they scooped Vegas
on this in the last second. But Brad Marshawn ends
up in Florida. We will have a line in the

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playoffs of Sam Bennett, Brad Marshawn and Matthew Kuchuk.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
It's gonna be hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Yeah, uh, and then we may I mean, if you
get Tampa Florida, that's gonna be juicy as well. With
Yanny Gordon Oliver borgstrand you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Chuck playoff by the way, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
That could happen to Florida Ottawa. That is a very
much a possibility of Matthew versus Brady Brady.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
There is. Yeah, you could get Matthew this is Brady,
or you could get Battle of Ontario. Yeah, with Toronto Ottawa,
that's fascinating. Well, yeah, man, this the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
First round of the playoffs is going to be very juicy.
And then yeah, so you had that. And the most
sought after, well, the most rumored to be moving Saber,
the latest in a long line of Buffalo Sabers moving

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because they can just cannot get out of their own way.
Dylan Cousins goes to Ottawa along with former flame Dennis
Gilbert in the second round pick for Josh Norris and
a top five pick in Jacob Bernard. Docker This this
was the most interesting trade of the for me, of
the trade deadline, because I still don't know what to

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make of it. I mean, I Cousins is a thirty
goal scorer, and maybe I think I think that there's
a legitimate argument that he is was in a well,
he was obviously in a horrible situation, and in Buffalo
he was not happy, obviously, like the Bufo Sabers are
an unmitigated disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Uh, that's just the way that it is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Uh. And John. But for me, I I mean, I
get why Ottawa is interested in him. They were clearly
trying to shop Josh Norris. I don't understand what Buffalo
is Josh Norris is not a healthy guy. That's the problem.
Like he's I mean, if he can produce points, that's great,
he needs to be healthy. I mean, I do understand
the Jacob Bernard docker ad because he's a right shot

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d and they don't have anybody, And then they traded
Henry Yokaharu, so they needed another another great shot blue liner.
The Josh Norris one is interesting to me because he's
just not a healthy player.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
I mean it was they needed to they needed to
get like someone with some upside back and Nora still
has them upside and he's and he locked up, locked
up long term. I think that's what kind of sold
them on it. And Elson, I think both teams need
a dollar and dollar out to make that work. Yeah,
so yeah, I think it was. It's literally you're like

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two players looking for a that that probably needed a
change of scenery and in Norris and Cousins, so that
that's what that was. It's interesting. It's within division, which
is always intriguing. But if if Cousins can stay healthy

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and be a a just just play hard and be
a physical force for for Ottawa, that's gonna go a
long way for him. He's not the number one guy
there like in in in in Buffalo, he was right,
he was, that was this thing he was. He was
signed to be the big guy for the future or

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one of the key pieces, right. And in Ottawa you've
got Brady Kachuck, You've got Tim Stutzla, You've got Jake Sanderson,
You've got Yeah, like you there's there's enough players that
are ahead of him in that in in that in
the hierarchy there that like he can he can settle

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down and be not necessarily a secondary player, but not
the the guy, especially the guy up front.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yeah, if there is a fish bowl in Canada, it
is probably in Ottawa because I mean, obviously you're going
to go to Brady's going to be the spotlight. Tim
Stutzl is gonna be, like there's other players that you're
going to go talk to before you talk to Dylan Cousins.
In Buffalo, he's probably was in more of a spotlight
because you know, his name is out there in trade

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rumors and you know he's the he's the big, one
of the big stars in Buffalo, So I mean he's
in more of a spotlight on him. So I could
see your point there. That was the most interesting trade.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
To me, though, was there any in the fact that
Josh Norris was is one of Brady Conchuck's best friends.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yeah, that whole emotion that is such.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
That's throw in the fact that you've got all this
nationalistic fervor going on between Canada and the US and
four Nations, the booing of the anthems, and how people
are trying to find different ways of basically trading Brady
out of Ottawa because of all that. It's it's adding

(01:11:26):
like the fact that the deadline's over will calm things
down a little bit. But the offseason, I think will
depending on what happens with Ottawa they're run for the
playoffs and everything and how that goes, it might pop
back up in the off season. I think it's a
bit of an overreaction, but I think it might pop

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back up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Yeah. Yeah, his he showed a lot of human emotion
in the last couple of days with the reaction to
his friend being traded. And you know the way they
came back against the Rangers. That was a gritty, gutsy
overtime win. So you got to give him credit, and
he was the one that gets the overtime winners, so

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big steps for Brady. Was there any other trade or
anything else that you found fascinating about the trade deadline?

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
I not really, honestly, like you think we covered it all,
just personally has Like I was didn't have to work
on on Friday, so I was able to watch the
watch everything for the first time in a long time.
Maybe not in the best mensa mental space to do that,

(01:12:43):
because I got pretty over it pretty fast, because it's
just it's constant talking about the same stuff over and over.
It's a bit of a yeah, it's just a bit.
It was a bit weird. So I think it's uh, yeah, yeah,
I think we covered most of it. Honestly. I don't

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think there's anything else that really stood out to me
in terms of who missed, who didn't, who didn't do enough, whatever.
I think it was it was as much as we
were sold it. We were being told it was a
seller's a seller's market. I don't think it really. I
think it was as as much as people were trying
to let us know. In that I think there was
a handful of teams that were buying. Un Once they

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stopped buying, the market deflated drastically, and there were teams
that wanted a little bit more that for some players
like the Canucks with Betser, that weren't willing to move
off of that, which is fair.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Yeah, And there's a lot of teams like Buffalo and
other teams that I don't I think they're just draft
picked out. They have enough of they need players, right
like you go to the draft pick level, that's your
eighteen nineteen year olds, but you then need your twenty
to twenty two year olds to start filling that system.

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So I think that's the other thing that I think
was interesting. I saw I I will call it a
draft pick market, not a seller's market.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
I mean they're to me, I think they're the ven
the ven diagram of what those two two mean. There's
not much on either either side. They're almost they're almost
completely overlapping here. But it's uh I I'm I do
wonder how what we'll see around the draft because because

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of the mushing metal, because you're gonna have teams like Montreal,
Calgary wanting an Autowa specifically, who have taken steps and
want to to solidify those steps. You've got teams like
the Rangers and Vancouver who took who had who are
coming down off of a good good season to a

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middleing season this year who want to take steps back up?
You'll have the Ring the Devils who made a couple
of couple moves that after being told that they don't
have Jack Huster the rest of the season and including
the playoffs, like it's you're gonna have. I think there's
gonna be a lot of teams looking to looking to

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jockey and try and find ways to improve their team.
It's going to be the what happens around the draft,
I think is going to be noteworthy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
I do wonder what the offer sheet game is going
to play in this as well, because I mean we
saw that last year with Holloway and Broberg. But I
think that there's a number of I think some teams
might be a little gun shy on that. There's a
few RFAs that I could see teams thinking we will
we will take a run at in terms of and
maybe that is added to the conversation at the draft floor,

(01:15:50):
like do Buffalo trade Bowen Byron before someone throws an
offer sheet at him or or something like that, Like
you like, I could see that too. I think that
that's another just another element and we'll dig into this
a little later, but I do wonder what the current
we don't tariff situation, and Darry Betman did talk about

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it is a little concerning. We'll see how that plays
into this. I mean, I don't know if it does
or it doesn't. I want to think a little bit more,
but it could.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
We don't know, right, Yeah, it's hard to say, like,
but it definitely throws a wrench into things for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
All right, well that will will leave it there.

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