January 29, 2025 • 61 mins
The Canucks have won 2 games in a row for the first time since early December, but it gets overshadowed by Jim Rutherford's comments confirming the JT Miller, Elias Pettersson issues have affected the Canucks this season.
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
And I quote, I'll be there in a minute, give
me a second.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Time is relative, folks, Time is relative. So hey, cheers
everybody in the chat.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Is there a division rival? I don't care how many gets,
how many wins they get.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Screw them.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
That wasn't the take I was expecting to hear. I
want to gush over watching live Christanna.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I think that we completely underestimate that the skill it
takes to play defense.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
One highlight or several highlights does not a called their trophy.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Mate.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm stepping in here on I'm going to be the
to the old man here. They need to learn patience,
They need to understand the attention everything in the end
of the drama.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh, Derek, look at this.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
How is mcdavi of not.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Getting the penalty.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You got?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
You guys need to calm down with this.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, you guys need to calm down with I don't
think do not Land his calm right now, Tyler.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
No, I think we're gonna have to edit that out.
Hard for me to even be calm now.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
To quote, to quote the great cartoonist who brought us
Snoopy and Charlie Brown and all that, Charles Charles M.
Schultz I have a new philosophy. I'm only gonna dread
one day at a time.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Because it's just, man, we canno get two wins in
a row for the first time since beginning of December,
and two good the good solid winds too over Washington
and Saint Louis.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And then this interview from Jim Rutherford comes out and
just completely overshadows those those wins and completely overshadows the everything.
But for those.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Who have been under a rock or out doing something
else or not been on social media, Jim Rutherford did an.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Interview with Gary Mason of The Globe and Mail and
he basically confirmed that the JT. Miller and eli Elis
Patterson relationship is not good and that it looks like
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unless something drastic changes the core that we know of,
this Vancouver Canucks team is not going to be the
same going forwards. There will be major changes to this team. So, Tyler,
when you saw that article come out and the quotes
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come out, what were your first thoughts?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, first of all, I mean, the last time we've
heard Gary Mason weigh in on Canucks things is I
mean that this sort of just came out of nowhere
to me, So one, it's very interesting that he would
get an exclusive interview to me that. I mean, it's
obviously the very sensitive issue. How that was set up,
(03:44):
I'm not exactly clear, but I obviously the organization would
trust Gary Mason's reporting to want to do an exclusive
interview with him. Honestly, I was I had to gain
this day and Age had to double check to make
sure that it was real.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mean, it just seemed like really an interview.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
With the Globe and Mail and talking about this and
being so like admitting all this in the public just
seems so odd. But you know now that you're I mean,
there's only one way to really look at it, and
that is to set up the fan base for a
poor return them on a trade or trades again, which
has been plaguing this franchise for a seemingly ever, because
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it's public knowledge and well known around the league. It
already was before this interview. It's not like this interview's
really changed that. But you know, it's well known out
there that the Canucks are probably going to have to
move these players, and when you have to make the deal,
you lose the deal.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Typically it's the team that's more desperate to make the.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Transaction, that loses the transaction, and so it's just it's
just really sobering news to say the least. But I mean,
if you've been watching a team play, you can see
that something's got to change. You know, you can, you
could do the coaching change thing, but I mean, how
many coaching changes are going to yep, the satire Shaw
(05:05):
he had the comment today that you know this interview
who was sort of kind of a tacit defense of
Rick Talking, And you know, Rick Talking was a splashy
higher and one of the best coaches available at the
time when they put him in place, and they don't
you just won the Jack Adams Award last year. They
don't want to move on from him. Then even if
(05:26):
you do, there's.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No guarantees that the team's going to start playing better.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So boy oh boy. I mean we'll get into it
here throughout the podcast. But you know, I said at
the beginning of the year, and I'm not trying to
do the victory lap here, I said, if they make
the playoffs, I think that's still as possible. But it's
hard to really be that confident in the idea that
they're going to be in the playoffs, and even if
they are to what you know, be out in four
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or five games, not truly contend for the Stanley Cup,
you know. They What I would like to see is
they just ride out this season with these two players,
open up their possibilities for trades, come the draft, and
go from there. I would just really hate to see
them knee jerk react and make a bad deal here
in the middle of the season. And as it pertains
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to Miller and or Petterson, brock Bester's another story. He's
depending UFA, then they're probably gonna have to make a
deal before the deadline if they can't come to terms
with him on an extension. But yeah, yeah, man did
did that playoff run last spring? Just seems like a
lifetime ago, now, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Oh? It really does. Yeah. I've just been so overall
this drama and noise in the market surrounding these two players,
and it's just and it just when when I saw
that the article this morning, I just I knew it
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was just going to open up the can of worms.
And you mark people throwing, like getting getting all upset
about it. You've got other people doing the that I
told you so dance about this whole thing. It's just
it just sucks because, as you said, we had they
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had such a good year last year, you thought that
they were they could build off of this. But it's just,
for whatever reason, the chemistry on this team this season
has not been there. They don't have an identity, they
just did the top outside of Quinn Hughes, the top
players have not performed at the level that they need
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to be performing at. And so when the depth, when
the death players secondary scoring, and the death players aren't
at the top of their game and the top players
aren't at the top of their game, then you're just
you're not going to win games as consistently as you
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need to to make the playoffs and to be considered
a Cup contender as they were expected to be by
many going into this season. It's just, I just this
team has broken me this year. Like I just they
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used like I used to make excuses to watch hockey
the Canucks games go like last year when they were
playing well and even going into like the dark dark
times and all that, like I still found reasons. This time.
It's just it's just I've stopped, like I've stopped like
trying to like like say no I can't. I've got
the Cannucksican to watch, So let's hang out a little
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bit later, a little bit earlier. No, like just it's
and it's just because they just you don't know what
you're gonna get from this team they're they're in, they're
so consistently inconsistent that like it's just mhm, it's frustrated
to watch when they don't show up. And I said
(09:00):
they had, they had two good games against Washington and
Saint Louis. Washington's been a really good this year and
Saint Louis was chasing them in the standings. But they
just you just don't know, like come tomorrow when in
their next game, like if they're going to show up.
(09:21):
So you need to at some point the Yeah, I
know what people think that these comments and with rather
are going to hurt their hurt the trade value of
Peterson and Miller. I don't necessarily think so. But they
have the connection to stand firm on what they want
(09:42):
for them. They can't just say no, we have to
make a deal now.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, And that's that's where I do have some confidence
with this management group that they will hold out to
get the deal that they want. As as you know,
the previous regime or the one before that. But uh uh,
how whatever whatever they end up accepting, you know, assuming
there is a deal that ends up being made for
one or both players, it's still going to be underwhelming
(10:10):
and it's still going to be some degree of a setback.
Then what does that mean with Quinn Hughes. There's also
all the that for demco questions here too, as far
as you know health and is he going to ever
come back to that form we've seen in the past.
And I mean the more you guys start asking questions,
the more that just becomes more.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Questions, right, really, yeah, I just yeah, I think let's
I think if we take let's take this sort of
one player at a time at this point. Ye, And
let's start with a tem Miller. I think he's been,
his name's been in the trade talks. I think a
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little bit more of this season, and there's more confidence
by a lot of the inside is that he's going
to be traded at some point. He's a heart and
soul player who just leaves. He's very extroverted with his
how he shows his emotions, so that can rub people
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the wrong way. But also when things are going well,
you know you can tell and it just he can drive,
he can take over games. His contract, it is not horrible,
especially with the cap going up, but it's still not
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great because it is he's still got let's see here,
he's got another he's eight million dollars a year for
another three five years after this like and he's not
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and he's gone on the on the north side of thirty.
So it's not The contract situation isn't fantastic, but it's
not horrible in my opinion, especially with the cap going
up and most likely going up for the foreseeable future,
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that contract's not going to look as bad going as
long as he continued to can can continue to be
a top even top nine forward for whoever gets him,
He'll still he'll still be a good player for that team.
What they cannot what can the Cannucks get for him,
(12:40):
I don't know at this point. Yeah, I think if
you're was it, Dallas might be interested. And do you
think he could be. You could find a way to
get a stankovin out of Dallas. If not, maybe a
Maverick Bork. If you can get that, then I think
you you take that and run.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I mean my my cynicism is that.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
This is maybe the I've always been an optimist, I
would consider myself be an optimist. But with this, I mean,
it's hard to imagine a top six forward or a
top pair of d man in a package with a
bunch of other picks and such. I started to imagine that,
I mean, in terms of immediate NHL help, I mean
a third line center maybe.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I think I think you'll be able to get like
a sort of a borderline someone who a player who's
they should be targeting, someone like in that same age
as a stank Ovid and Bork who hasn't quite popped yet.
You're looking at Dallas, who's right in the middle of
a contending window they want, like bringing him in would
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be huge for them, And it's just whether whether or
not they what they see and how they value those
two players. Stankovin and Bork are currently on the wings
in the middle six for them. So but you bring in,
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you bring in a miller and the boat like most
likely one of those guys is getting bumped off their line.
So that's that's why I think you if you're if
if it's Dallas, I think you have if the Canucks.
The Canucks have to be identifying players like that if
they're going if they're going to do that, I'm not
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sure how much more you get if if you're shooting
high for players like that, because those two guys are
are very high, highly thought of prospects Blue Chippers. But
so like in my mind, like I look back at
because maybe it's just because it's a Dallas Dallas there,
you can get one of those and just just move on,
(15:06):
Like maybe addition by subtraction is the the move here
and you can.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Well, so this so this comes back to the whole
idea of doing this interview in the first place, right,
I mean, isn't that kind of the spin that that
the organization is trying to put.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
On this maybe yeah, like try try to temper the
expectations of the return.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah yeah, but also to you know, to set people
up for the idea that you know it, we've kind
of reached the end of the road here with this
core and with these two players coexisting, so we're gonna
do something different, and you know, the addition by subtraction
part maybe you know kind of the reason to do it.
(15:46):
I just think that if you're gonna make this move.
I mean there might be two or three years before
the back of the playoffs. I know that maybe sounds
insane to hear that, but I mean the tone remote
ship has always been about chasing that playoff berth and
it's like, yeah, guys, but.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You know, the the covers getting a little bear too.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
In terms of future, you know, yeah, mix and prospects
that are that are viable. I mean they've tried different
guys and the promoted them, but nobody's really grabbing the
reins here. I mean Lecermacki, I guess offers the most
promise as far as you know somebody in the Canucks system, but.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Maybe at Ratu I don't know, but it's it's it's
a lot of.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
You know, not not useless, fair parts, but they're not
nobody's really jumping out at you.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
It's like, oh, this is no there's no there's no
one who's yeah, no one that you can really latch onto.
Is like, yeah, the future, that's exactly it. Lequermacki and
Ratu have definitely been on a heater down in the
h L. Hopefully Amaki has not. It's not too injured.
He went he had a bad fall into the boards
(16:55):
in the last yeah, one of the last Atmosphere games,
and the Canucks they just recall Atu Ratu and so
hopefully he can stick and at least become a uh,
the middle of the lineup player for the Canucks going
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forwards here. But you're, yeah, they got you got Tom Vilander,
who's on on the blue line, who looks reavy solid,
and wouldn't be surprised if you see him make the
jump at least of the HL next year, if not not,
if not playing some NHL games at the end of
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this year, depending on where the Canucks are at two three. Again,
I think it really comes down to what they get
what they get in return for these players we looked
at like the Kevin and His video earlier today, he
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talked about how he thinks that the the Canucks could
have could have possibly gotten like a their version of
the Pierre Luke Dubois trade with Miller being older. I
don't know if you're going to you won't you're you,
We're not going to get that many like NHL assets
for him. I don't think, at least not that caliber
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of NHL assets trade to right, Yeah, yeah, So, but
I think if you look at you look at that
as the framework and you can adjust for the value.
I think that he's still got value out there. There
are there. They are going to be sixty twenty teams
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who are fighting for playoff spots that would love to
have a GT. Miller at the top of his game
on their team. Right now, they're trying to low all
the Canucks and it's on Alvin and Ruther for it's
a hold firmed and make sure that when they get
those they get the deal that they want. The what
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was it the the rumor deal with the Rangers that
fell apart because the Rangers wanted Whether there's most there's
two different reports and why it fell apart. One was
that the Rangers wanted retention on JT JT's deal and
the other was there was a they couldn't couldn't can't
come to terms on the condition on the first round
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pick that was rumored to be involved. The other two
players were Ryan Lindgren and Philip Hetel that were that
were rumored to be in that deal. I mean, it's
not a horrible deal. Lin Gren is a UFA at
the end of this year, a left shot, physical defenseman.
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Do we know could could have Could he have been
someone that the that that could have helped the defense
corps Maybe, But again it's not necessarily this position, like
with the left shop being the position that they're necessarily leaning.
Keetl is the third line center at best, a good
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one I think when he's on. But so I think
it would come down to what they would do with
that first round pick if they could find a way
to flip it the way they did within the Horror
Bat trade and get and get an NHL player like
they gotten in philip Ronic. So maybe that's the way
they have to go about it too. It's not necessarily
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about the first trade that they make and the assets
they get back in that trade. Is what they do
with those assets going forwards that that will be the
looking at the totality of what happens going with this
with any moves that they make, because they're just I
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do I do think you're right there their tyler in
the fact that this this a part A part of
that interview was definitely maybe a managing up aspects there
and trying to not only temper the expectations of the fans,
but sort of manage upwards to ownership, saying that we
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need to find a way to make this deal happen,
even if it's not for top end prospects or top
six forwards.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Now, just going back to the whole you know, media
circus part of this, and you've been anybody that follows
Sean on on X or any of social media knows
where he's at with how you know, media blowing things
up bigger than they might be. I mean, that is true.
I think at this point I'm gonna say no, this
is on the organization now. I mean, if you're going
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to go out of your way to exclude the media
and of an exclusive interview to one outlet to confirm
the reporting that they've already they've already been talking about.
You know, this has been poorly managed by the organization.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It's not an easy situation to manage.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Not saying that that's the case, but now they've really
put themselves in a difficult position.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Then they're into doing damage control.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
And I suppose the Aquilines and Gary Mason begget along well,
so perhaps that's why he got the interview. I don't know,
that's a that's a I'm kind of going out on
the limb with that theory there. But whatever the case, now,
I think it would be nice if the fans moved
off to blame the media thing, because we're I think
we are past that point here now.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
This is this is, this has.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Been confirmed by the president of the team, and essentially
these two players can't get along and something is going.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
To have to change. And you know it may not
even just be for egos.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I mean that the team frankly just isn't good enough
and we're seeing it unfold on the ice this season.
And if there's a way to you restock the cupboard
and look to two three years down the road. Here again,
as painful as that is to hear, that's probably the
right course of action at this moment in time. And
you know, holding firm and getting a getting a good return,
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is that that's that's where they have to go, and
whatever happens this year, just let the chips fall where
they may.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I guess, Yeah, where I'm at now is that I
think that two things can be true. One those these
two players don't get along well enough to be successful
as teammates and for the Canucks to be successful as
a team. And two, I don't think that the media
circus surrounding this whole situation helped it all for them
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trying to figure out if this if they could I
think it just it just it got and it got
out of head. And yes, I don't think the Canuts
as a as a franchise handled it in pr terms
very well at all. You had the anything can Happen
quote from Patrick Alvin at one point, which I Kevin
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said he threw. Kevin says he said in his piece
in his video earlier today that he felt like that
comment threw players under the bus. I don't. I disagree.
I think that that is a that was just a Honestly,
I feel like Alvin thought that was more of a
sort of light in the mood, throwaway comment that the
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market ran with.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And I don't I mean he could frame it as
throwing players under the bus. These guys make millions and
millions of dollars, far more than than the executives on
that run the team. At some point they do need
to be accountable. Well, you could call it throwing them
under the bus. I mean no, if you want to
start pointing fingers, the players have underperformed. They are they
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are underperforming their contracts and the two that we're.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Spending all the time talking about here.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So you know, yeah, whatever verbiage you want to use,
I think it's it's still fair to criticize the players
and maybe even criticize them more than management.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
This management group inherited these guys.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yes, they did resign, They did resign them.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
You know they went once they sign on the dotted
line to to you know, play for those big contracts.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
They got to uphold their end of it. Yeah, And
I think that's part of what they were like there
is they try to to work, work quietly. They tried
to work subtly. And now the brother for one, Yes,
I will completely agre with keV. I think this was
brother Ford I mean, for lack of a better term,
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throwing Miller and Pete under the bus because he basically
said that their their issues have definitely affected the team.
And it's hard to heard you with that. But so yeah,
we established I think do you think that Miller is
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the first one to go there, Tyler.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Yes, I think there's probably gotta be more. I would
assume there would be more interested in him from other teams.
His cap hit and terms is less to take on.
I would see more appetite for for him in the trade,
and uh, you know I did. The Canucks have committed
more to Peterson. So I mean, all all of those
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things would would point in that direction. I mean, let's
be honest, who who who is really salivating for Elias
Petterson out there?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I mean it was it was reported that the Hurricanes
were mat had.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
And that's you know, they've gone a different direction house
to take that one off the table, right.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
But I'm saying that I think I think there are
that there is an appetite for a Pederson out there.
I think you could, okay, like he doesn't have any
trade protection at this point, he won't have it until
July one, Yes, so does make it.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
That does make it, does make a deal a lot
more feasible. Fitting that contract under you know, a team
that's got limited cap space is another story. I just
think if you're a team that's looking to add at
the deadline to go on a playoff run, a guy
with what you know, a guy.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Like J T.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Miller, what he brings to the table with his the
bite factor to his game and then he can play
wing and play center and and he's you know, he's
he's just got that nastiness to him, like to me,
like if I I would see that as a more
attractive piece to try to pick up to add to
your team, and you're not as committed financially to doing that.
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And I'm sure there's a good number of places out
there he'd be willing to waive. There's no tree applause
for He's gonna come out in the media and say
that he loves Vancouver and and he doesn't want to go.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
That's what they all say.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
That's performative when they do that, and that's to make
sure that they keep all their options open, you know.
I mean, if the team doesn't want him there anymore,
I'm sure he'll be willing to waive that no trade cause.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
To go somewhere. Mm hm oh, yeah, he'll. It sounds
like maybe east East Coast to the States makes a
lot of sense for JT. Miller. Whether it's the Rangers
the Devils have said that his movements, the Devils have
been interested in him. So I think those I think
those two are the and maybe potentially Dallas. I think
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you're the three to three teams to watch for him
the other and then with with pet I think that
opens up a little bit more, just because I think
it's you'd have more teams looking at him, more teams
willing to take a swing on him. I think you
could see maybe a Utah potentially doing that. You've got
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Buffalo and and everything going on there. I could see
them trying to take a big swing there, and they
they keep never never count the abs for both players.
I think I wouldn't be surprised if they just try
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to try to do something and then I keep and
I wonder about maybe Chicago. I don't know if Chicago
has the assets that the conduct would want in that
deal that'd be willing to give up, right because yeah,
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we could fantasize about a Conra Boguard coming home trade all,
but it's not happening. I wouldn't this like if they
could if there they can get creative and that might
be a I think it just might be that wouldn't
be a I wouldn't be surprised if that's a team
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that wou would look at at at trying to do that. Yeah,
just with every like all the body language things and
how just deflated Bdard has looked this year at times. Yeah, yeah,
that could like that, Like they could see that. I
could see them going, Okay, let's swing for the fences,
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Let's offer all the first film hits and see what
and and and prospects and all that. So I think
that could be it.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
But yeah, I mean, we're we're doing a podcast here
that we're at times you're struggling for the words, right,
I mean, this is just sits. Gary Mason and his
article in the Globe and Mail did use the word
that the sobering to describe the reality check that that
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that exists here when you hear this from the president
of the team. And yes, it is a very sobering
piece to read. And you know what's what's also sobering
is that there may not be a deal that gets
done before the trade deadline this year, and this this
soap opera could continue for a while and and and
as long as both players are on the team and
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they're struggling. I mean that you thought it was a
media circus already.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Sean, do you okay with with that media service idea?
Do you think that if Miller is traded that the
media circus will be even more with p after or
do you think there might be a relaxation of it?
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At least to start.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I mean news media and and and and just the
way that media operates a very conflict oriented, right, So
it's it's a very juicy story right now when you
have two guys that are not getting along because there's
that conflict, right, So it's hard to imagine that they're
continuing to be you know that once one or the
other gets moved, they'll just maybe find another whipping boy
(32:22):
and some boy you know you No, I would think
I would think that things would calm down for a while.
Maybe they'll just go back to favorite topic of trying
to make a goalie controversy when really there isn't one,
and that Lincoln is the guy just to just say,
you know, that's that's always one that is easy material
(32:43):
for them, fills a lot of hours on the talk shows.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, I have a heart, and it all comes down
to how well whoever is left plays, because if they
play well after after the trade is made, then yeah,
it calms down. But if they still struggle, I think
you will see a little bit of that and it
will grow again. But it's yeah, I think that I
(33:12):
just I just hope that whatever move they do make,
that there does something whatever monkey or gorilla King Kong
size thing is that's on weight, that's on the back
of it, that the team gets lifted and they can
start playing, because I think part of it and it
just looks like none of them are having fun goings
(33:32):
in the arena. And I mean you see the sure
and that's there's no real like sell like exuberant celebrations anymore.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, you know, like people will want to say that
there's a lack of effort that or not showing up.
I mean it comes across that way, sure, but I
believe is the is more what you're talking about there,
Like it just doesn't look like they feel like they
have any chance.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It looks like they feel defeated already.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Yeah, so obviously that you know that compete level is
not going to be there when you're already feeling defeated
from the outset, right.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, So I think, yeah, solbury is such a good
good word for this.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Because I mean, I don't know, you know, I'm just
sitting here right now just feeling like, oh, you know,
like it's it's I don't really know how else how
else to say it.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
You're just holding that it wasn't going to come to this,
and and yet here we are.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, yeah, if that do end up moving Patterson, I
do wonder if, like I think, I keep going back,
like with with with Miller, I keep looking at Dallas
and New Jersey as but as spots because I think
(34:57):
there's there's pieces there that makes sense. There's pieces there
that I think can help the Canucks not only in
the future, but now the Rangers. I don't not I
don't think there's anything there that like really like makes
me feel good about the trade. And then with with
(35:18):
p D, I go to Buffalo and I think, just
you've got Dylan Cousins there, and you've got Boomvirom there,
You've got Jack Quinn, You've got You've They've got pieces
that could really feel like could fit in, especially with
(35:40):
a Rick Talcket system. Like I really feel like if
if Dylan Cousins in a Rick Talcket system could be
really good. Yeah, And if you're gonna go that route,
that's one one underperforming player for another and see if
(36:00):
you can, if they can they can rediscover their their
their forums in the in this new in the new
uh spots And it's just but it's I love coming
on on this podcast. And talking, but like when it's
(36:21):
when it's this sobering and this just I feel this defeated,
just like it's just like the player it looks like
the players are at times, I feel just so defeated.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
And that's that's what's so concerning about it, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
And it's as I said, I've really, as someone who
has a podcast, I've really stopped consuming much in the
way of sports media in the Vancouver market and even
just sport like hockey media period because I just don't
want to have to listen to this the same stuff
over and over again, Like all of today was seems
(36:56):
to be all about who to blame, why is this happening?
Why is this going on now? And now I'm trying
to focus on going forwards, like what does this mean
for the Canucks? Are they actually any what are a
word can we just use to describe what the Canucks
are going to go through now into the beginning of
(37:17):
next season, let alone going for past that? What does
this mean for Quinn Hughes Because that was another little
little thing well I don't even know if it was
anything like anything major in that Gary Mason article about
how Bruther Friend said, like we want to keep Quinn
(37:38):
Hughes here, but we know he's not going to want
to go through a rebuild, so we have to be
cognizant of that. And then everyone's like quin Hughes doesn't
want to go through a rebuild. I think it's just
that's fair. He's already gone through it. He hasn't seen
much in the way of any of playoff can like
playoff being able to play in the playoffs and enjoy that.
(38:00):
He said basically one season, like they had the bubble.
They had the bubble one, but that doesn't that's not
the same.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, I mean's truly just last year's run.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, So like he wants to get back there, he
wants to stay there, he doesn't want to go backwards.
That's fair. There's nothing. I don't think there's anything newsworthy
about that. But I think what it does is, as
I said, that's why I think you have to instead
of going for quantity quantity of assets, I think you
(38:32):
have to go for quality here in both these trades.
And that's why I keep going back to Dallas for JT.
Miller and I just identify Bork and Stankove and as
players that they want and if they can't get them,
then you just you hold you hold fast.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Yeah, I mean, you know, and if they do end
up having to take a trade that involves draft picks,
then the hope would be in the next this upcoming
draft and the one at the year after that they
can kind of stock the cupboard there and ideally with
some second round picks. I mean, I'm not holding out
much hope for my first round picks. Maybe depending on
which team you trade with, you might get a low
(39:11):
first round pick. That'd be great, fantastic if they could.
But you know, if you can get a little bit
of that, But but more along the lines of what
you're talking about, like credible immediate NHL level.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Help you or players who're just on the verge of that.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah, I think you could look at that and say,
well that we did the best we could under these circumstances,
and we're going to move.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Forward with that.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
That's you know, that's going forward. I guess that's what
we're gonna hope for. Or if these guys find a
way to kiss and make up and it's all over.
But I mean, I don't know, the fact that this
interview came out today suggests that's not going to happen,
so and you know, I just want to say that
that part, to me is what's really disappointing. I'm sure
a lot of people feel this way too. These guys
(39:57):
are making big money the professional athletes. Part of the
professionalism is to work out whatever personal differences you have
with your your coworkers.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
And this exists in all kinds.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Of work context people not getting along, but you're all
there to do a job and to try to move
the operation in the same direction. And you know, it
just did. It's obviously a lot more spotlight when you're
in a in a very public spotlight like like it
is being on a pro sports team. And it's just
(40:28):
too bad that they can't figure out some way to
make this work.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
But I mean, you don't have to.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
You don't have to spend too much time following this
team to see how what you know, what kind of
difference in personality we're talking about here with guys like JT.
Miller and Elis Penderson, and I think they couldn't be
more polar opposite in terms of personality and sort of
what motivates them and what leavers to pose a coach
and what you know how how their communication styles would
differ and how there would maybe be differences of agreement
(40:58):
on the way that they're doing things.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, and it's just I think I think at this
point you have to look at this as Alvin and
Brutherford have to look at this as a as a
true opportunity to completely get this team. And I D
player and the reason why I also think that Stank,
Covin and Bork are players, so they should be I
(41:23):
ding is I think they fit what they what they
want this team to be like, and their there. They're high,
high motor players. They Stank Coven played for the Kamlos Blazers.
Dylan Dylan Cosbins was another w h L guys from
white Horse. They're both sort of almost quote unquote local kids.
(41:46):
And if you can get the right players in here
that have that motivation and want to be a conduct
I want to be like part of the solution and
are willing to put make sure that they're putting any
sort of differences aside to make that happen, then you
(42:06):
can start moving forwards. Because that seems to be the
problem here. It's like, it's not that I'm saying I
don't think that p D wants to doesn't want to
be a knucker. Miller doesn't want to be a knuckt.
But I think they just for whatever reason did it's
just not working. They need in whatever the return is
for the for these guys is you have to go
(42:28):
forwards and into this offseason, the deadline, and this offseason
into next season and finding players who want to be
who want to put on the blue and green, the
black and yellow and and represent Vancouver and have the
(42:48):
pride to do it to the point where they know that,
Like how this has been so sobering in deflating for
this fan base. We went we we've seen after twenty eleven,
we just saw this deterioration of that core. You had
some hope with Brockbester coming in, you have with Beau
Horvat and Brockbest are coming in. You had some more
(43:11):
hope money they brought in Pedi and Quentin Hughes and
they just never never be able to realize their potential
until last season and now this happens. So whoever comes
in needs to be a breath of fresh air. Whoever
comes in needs to be willing to bleed blue and
(43:31):
green more than more than this core has our it.
It felt like this feels like this core does.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You look at you look at the numbers that are
up in the rafters at Rogers Arena, and you can
argue about them till till whenever. But Stan Smail, Trevor Linden,
Marcus Nadland and the Sadines, you've got pabab are up
there as well. But with those other those the rest
of them, they bled Vancouver Canucks color. They Yeah, Alex
(44:11):
Burrows is part of the Ring of honor bled Vancouver
Canucks colors. Like you've got Kevin Biexa on that on
on Hockey Night in Canada defending them because he bled
Vancouver Canucks colors. Even the fact that Ryan Caster left
(44:31):
when he said, like he says that he it was his,
it was his. It was his biggest regret was leaving Vancouver.
He wanted to win more than anything else you need.
And that's kind of sort of the value you get
from j T. He's like, he wants to win more
than anything else. I don't think he necessarily bleeds Vancouver
(44:55):
Canucks colors the way that the the Burrow, the b
X says, the Sedens, Linden's and the smells specifically did.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does feel like we're a long
way away from seeing that again.
Speaker 7 (45:14):
Right right, yeah, I mean then yeah, there they their
last two games, right, they've won her last two games.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
If they went the next two, how does this whole
narrative change. Maybe it does change a little bit. See,
we're gonna spin the.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I mean, yeah, he rather it did say that they
are sort of because I don't know when that Rutherford
interview was actually done. It was definitely not done yesterday.
It says Monday, on Monday, so yeah, so that was it.
That was yesterday, yesterday, Okay, yeah, that's what Gary. But
(45:55):
before it was been before the Yeah, it was done
before the game. So yeah. So but when you look
at the same thing, like the Canucks, what they go in,
They have the game against Edmonton where well all hell
breaks loose, and then they lay two eggs against Edmonton
(46:21):
later on that week as well as earlier in the
week versus I can't remember. But and then they go out,
go out and play really well against Washington on Saturday night,
and then again another nice solid game against Saint Louis
last night. You don't know what you're getting and that's
(46:42):
the problem. Yeah, like going they played I think it
was that Nashville tomorrow. Yeah, they played Nashville tomorrow, and
it's just like what what what what? What Canucks are
going to show up tomorrow? We're gonna get week day
Canucks or Saturday night Canucks. Last night we got Saturday
(47:03):
night Canucks. They they forgot it was Monday and they
showed up to play.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
So uh yeah, Now, who knows what kind of circus
there's gonna be when you know, everybody meets the press
again here, uh whatever that that opportunity is maybe tomorrow
morning skate or whatever.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
But they're on the road and there's not many there's
not not many media members traveling these days.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
So that could have something to do with Yeah, the
timing of the interview may be, may may be connected
with that.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
It's a good point. Yeah, they don't They're not back
in Vancouver until Sunday, uh against the Red Wings.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
So you know, I I my hope is that because
the you know, it's Jim for to come out and
gave these comments in the media, that maybe that'll take
a little bit of the focus off the players and
the underperforming and off the coach. For at least a
few days, you know, and maybe they can just get
(48:15):
back to playing hockey and a success breeds success, and
if they could just you know, if they can get
another win here and suddenly now we're on a winning
streak and they're starting to feel a little better and
that the pucks going in the net.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Things things can really turn around.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
And there's a lot of ifs there, but that's I mean,
that's the that's the path forward that they that they
can control. That's the part that the players can control
is just what they do on the ice and trying
to get their fundamentals figured out. They've had a lot
of lineup flocks. Obviously they struggled with without Tyler Myers.
He's back, you know, things are sort of slotting back
(48:49):
into place a little more like they're supposed to lanking
and giving them solid goaltending again after illness there, I mean,
why not now to go on a little run.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
It's now or never really for this team.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
If they're gonna try to solvage this season in some fashion.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yep, they need they need to get going. And whether
it's now and then they can regardless of where when
these moves are made, they need to figure they need
to figure their shit out now as a team, regardless
of who's there, and start just showing up. Because I
think the other issue is right now is just their
home records atrocious. Yeah, Like they just they haven't put
(49:31):
they haven't put really good efforts in front of in
front of the home fans, and it's just I think
that also adds to the to the noise and the
frustration within the market because the people are putting up
a lot of money to go to these games and
getting poor performances more often than not. Yeah, So.
Speaker 8 (49:55):
As you mentioned, Yeah, you mentioned Tyler Myerser Tyler, we
haven't had you on since that hole kerfuffle.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
What were you What was your thoughts on everything that
went down regarding McDavid Meyer's bouchard.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yeah, I know, I know that's that news cycles past here.
I mean my comment on that, I was disappointed with
the standard of the referees in that game. And there's
two veterans, Chris Lee and West McCauley. McCauley considered by
many to be one of the best, if not the
best referee in the league. Uh, it was to let
him play and then it led to that situation at
(50:38):
the end. They missed a high stick earlier in the game,
I think it was Quinn Hughes got in the throat.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Near the end of the second period.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Things came to a head there, and you know, there's
nothing's being called. McDavid's frustrated, they're losing. He reacts, Tyler
Myers reacts. It's a lot of regrettable things that.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Went on there.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
I was my cynical view was that they would rule
harsher on Myers than McDavid. They went with three game
suspensions for each of them, which I think is the
correct discipline toy issue, which is hard to you know,
we don't say very often that they get these things right.
There's often a lot of disappointment over the rulings.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
It was just really unfortunate that it led to that.
I felt like all of that.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
Could have been avoided with just a bit of a
tighter re officiating standard throughout that game.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, but yeah, I think, yeah, they got it, like
I we We did a podcast the Sunday after that game,
and then Kevin let loose on the whole Edmonton narrative
a little bit later on that week after the after
the suspensions got announced. But Yeah, it's just it's such
(51:58):
a gom show, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
Oh well, And I mean we should have known that
the reactions between social media, between the fans and the
respective media course would be what they were, because I
mean we saw that in the playoffs last year. I
mean it's just like, I mean, it's it's great. I mean,
it just shows the passion that people have for their
team and for the rivalry, and it's you know, it's
(52:21):
turning into quite a rivalry now.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
I mean that's part of why we like sports, is.
Speaker 4 (52:28):
When that that fire is burning on both sides of
a rivalry. But uh, you know, I appreciated Kevin's rant
about you know, protecting their star versus protecting star players. Yeah,
it tends to be that way. The arguments over, we're
going to protect our star as well. No, it's that's
what it suits. You typically is how it goes, and
(52:50):
we were getting that from the Edmonton side of it,
you know, it is what it is, contray versus.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Uh. Yeah, the same Evanton media who were screaming protect
the stars were applauding Corey Perry for driving Quinn who's
his head into the boards.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
So I know, like that that's why.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
That's why fans need to just like not get in
a tizzy over that, because they don't really have that
much credibility when they start opining on these things.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Do they No, No, no, not at all. And then
the other big news over the last little bit was
we touched on that briefly with the Carolina Hurricanes making
a big splash. They were sounded like they were interested
(53:40):
in my Emilius Patterson, but they ended up going after
getting Miko Ranton in as well as Taylor Hall in
a massive, massive trade. Man that is, honestly, I think
looks like it's gonna work out for both teams, both
Colorado and and Carolina. And my opinions, Carolina's lineup is
(54:03):
super deep now and Martin Nachis is a damn good player,
and they got I think Colorado, I think is not
going to be done. If you want, if you want
a dark horse on some on a team that could
go after one of the Canucks players, Canucks players that
(54:23):
are going to be available, it's it's Colorado. Yeah. So
is there anything else, Tyler? I know it was a
bit of a doom and gloom podcast.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, I just what I just want to say It's
nice to be back on with you here.
Speaker 4 (54:41):
It's been so long. Apologies that I haven't been able
to make it on with the various schedules that we
all have that we're trying to coordinate.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
I did want to comment just very quickly.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
Last night was an Amazon Prime telecaster that for the Canucks,
the third one now and isn't it refreshing, Like, isn't
it refreshing? It was, it's And it's nothing against the
Sportsnet crew or or John Shorthouse or or or tap,
Tomlinson or murpher and we love Ray Ferro now being
part of the broadcast as well, but it's it's it
(55:16):
the just the it's just nice that that is a
very focused on the game type of broadcast.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
It's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Not it's they're not trying to reinvent the wheel.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
And like the picture and audio quality is great through
uh the Prime Video app. And you know, if this
is the future of broadcasting NHL games, I think I think.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
They're heading in a good direction.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
It's just that that that broadcast just doesn't like you
don't want the telecast to be distracting from the viewing
experience or annoy you and and they those boxes are checked.
So for a handful of games in a season, Yeah,
I can live with watching it on the on the
Amazon Prime because they're doing a good job.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I just wanted to say that.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
They are. Yeah, it's fantastic. And I don't I don't
know what they've done differently tech technically wise, because yeah,
the picture quality it just feels so much better. And
I just I don't know what they're doing that sports
that isn't so what before we do it? Sign off here?
(56:29):
There was one thing it was reported there we Go
reported by Darren Drager that the NHL and the NHL
PA are have advised the Double IHF that they are
intending to move forward with the for the twenty twenty
eight World Cup at least for now, without the Double
(56:49):
IHF's involvement. And I think there's a lot of people
who would probably like looked squint at that a little bit,
but I think it may make sense for multiple reasons.
The main reason money, right Tyler, mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Doesn't always come down to.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
That just it's always about the money.
Speaker 4 (57:17):
I mean, it's always Hockey World Cup of Hockey that's
organized by the NHL with NHL officials, NHL rules, NHL
everything's done by the NHL.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
I mean, what did it even need the double I
HFS involvement.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
Then they want I think they want to like just
play ball, for lack of a better term, play fair play,
like just because they know that it's it's gonna be
tougher without without them. That being said, depending on how
this four Nations tournament that comes that's coming up real
fucking quick here turns out like it could be a
(57:58):
lot easier. I think the big question here is, yeah,
not only about money is the reason they're doing this,
but this is also open up the door for potentially
because it's twenty twenty eight or three years away from that,
but potentially a rush like Russia involvement at least I
(58:19):
think involvement.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah, well, I we got.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
To get back to that, you know.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
I there's been there's feelings that the World Junior Hockey
Championship this past Christmas holiday season where people are saying,
you know, it doesn't doesn't feel like it once did.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
Well, it's not the same as it once was. There's
no Russian team. It's just it's just not the same.
Speaker 4 (58:42):
You know, got to find a way to get them back,
and I do, you know, have full regard for the
political context that surrounds that whole situation.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
But you know, when you're when you when you're when
your goal is.
Speaker 4 (58:57):
To have best on best international competition and you don't
have Russia involved, it's not truly a best on best competition.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
I'm sorry, it's just it's not And it's a touchy Yeah,
it's a touchy subject. But yeah, I think that's what
they might be a big reason why that they're going
forward with this is that I think it might open
up for them to be able to have maybe they
might not even call them the Russian Act like whatever
(59:27):
they want to call call the team, but they'll allow
those athletes from Russia to participate in it and for
for a no nice product, it will be better. Whether
or not will help sell the game or do anything
like that. With all the all the political reasons as
to why they are. Russian athletes haven't been involved in
(59:50):
a lot of sports right now, I don't know at
this point. So but it's nothing to watch for sure. Yeah,
all right, Tyler, we jumped right into it, so I
didn't even get a chance to sort of ask you
how you've been doing, and how the how life as
the Zebra has been.
Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
It was turbulent last weekend and Prince Rupert we had
two Central Interior Hockey League games. Are one of the
weekends where we have the teams from the Caribou come up,
so it's busier we can doing multiple games. There was
a coach ejection, which was unfortunate, but so that said,
(01:00:34):
we are.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
At that point of the season.
Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
I guess you could say where it's getting a little
more intense. There's one more one more weekend to go
here with the regular season, and we're rolling ready into
the playoffs. So it's an exciting time of the year
for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Awesome. All right, how do we follow you there, Tyler?
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, I'm on x dot com at T Noble t
N O B l E.
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
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(01:01:45):
We will see you next time. Bye for now,
And I quote, I'll be there in a minute, give
me a second.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Time is relative, folks, Time is relative. So hey, cheers
everybody in the chat.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Is there a division rival? I don't care how many gets,
how many wins they get.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Screw them.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
That wasn't the take I was expecting to hear. I
want to gush over watching live Christanna.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I think that we completely underestimate that the skill it
takes to play defense.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
One highlight or several highlights does not a called their trophy.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Mate.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm stepping in here on I'm going to be the
to the old man here. They need to learn patience,
They need to understand the attention everything in the end
of the drama.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh, Derek, look at this.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
How is mcdavi of not.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Getting the penalty.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You got?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
You guys need to calm down with this.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, you guys need to calm down with I don't
think do not Land his calm right now, Tyler.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
No, I think we're gonna have to edit that out.
Hard for me to even be calm now.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
To quote, to quote the great cartoonist who brought us
Snoopy and Charlie Brown and all that, Charles Charles M.
Schultz I have a new philosophy. I'm only gonna dread
one day at a time.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Because it's just, man, we canno get two wins in
a row for the first time since beginning of December,
and two good the good solid winds too over Washington
and Saint Louis.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And then this interview from Jim Rutherford comes out and
just completely overshadows those those wins and completely overshadows the everything.
But for those.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Who have been under a rock or out doing something
else or not been on social media, Jim Rutherford did an.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Interview with Gary Mason of The Globe and Mail and
he basically confirmed that the JT. Miller and eli Elis
Patterson relationship is not good and that it looks like
(02:58):
unless something drastic changes the core that we know of,
this Vancouver Canucks team is not going to be the
same going forwards. There will be major changes to this team. So, Tyler,
when you saw that article come out and the quotes
(03:20):
come out, what were your first thoughts?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, first of all, I mean, the last time we've
heard Gary Mason weigh in on Canucks things is I
mean that this sort of just came out of nowhere
to me, So one, it's very interesting that he would
get an exclusive interview to me that. I mean, it's
obviously the very sensitive issue. How that was set up,
(03:44):
I'm not exactly clear, but I obviously the organization would
trust Gary Mason's reporting to want to do an exclusive
interview with him. Honestly, I was I had to gain
this day and Age had to double check to make
sure that it was real.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mean, it just seemed like really an interview.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
With the Globe and Mail and talking about this and
being so like admitting all this in the public just
seems so odd. But you know now that you're I mean,
there's only one way to really look at it, and
that is to set up the fan base for a
poor return them on a trade or trades again, which
has been plaguing this franchise for a seemingly ever, because
(04:23):
it's public knowledge and well known around the league. It
already was before this interview. It's not like this interview's
really changed that. But you know, it's well known out
there that the Canucks are probably going to have to
move these players, and when you have to make the deal,
you lose the deal.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Typically it's the team that's more desperate to make the.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Transaction, that loses the transaction, and so it's just it's
just really sobering news to say the least. But I mean,
if you've been watching a team play, you can see
that something's got to change. You know, you can, you
could do the coaching change thing, but I mean, how
many coaching changes are going to yep, the satire Shaw
(05:05):
he had the comment today that you know this interview
who was sort of kind of a tacit defense of
Rick Talking, And you know, Rick Talking was a splashy
higher and one of the best coaches available at the
time when they put him in place, and they don't
you just won the Jack Adams Award last year. They
don't want to move on from him. Then even if
(05:26):
you do, there's.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No guarantees that the team's going to start playing better.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So boy oh boy. I mean we'll get into it
here throughout the podcast. But you know, I said at
the beginning of the year, and I'm not trying to
do the victory lap here, I said, if they make
the playoffs, I think that's still as possible. But it's
hard to really be that confident in the idea that
they're going to be in the playoffs, and even if
they are to what you know, be out in four
(05:51):
or five games, not truly contend for the Stanley Cup,
you know. They What I would like to see is
they just ride out this season with these two players,
open up their possibilities for trades, come the draft, and
go from there. I would just really hate to see
them knee jerk react and make a bad deal here
in the middle of the season. And as it pertains
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to Miller and or Petterson, brock Bester's another story. He's
depending UFA, then they're probably gonna have to make a
deal before the deadline if they can't come to terms
with him on an extension. But yeah, yeah, man did
did that playoff run last spring? Just seems like a
lifetime ago, now, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Oh? It really does. Yeah. I've just been so overall
this drama and noise in the market surrounding these two players,
and it's just and it just when when I saw
that the article this morning, I just I knew it
(06:52):
was just going to open up the can of worms.
And you mark people throwing, like getting getting all upset
about it. You've got other people doing the that I
told you so dance about this whole thing. It's just
it just sucks because, as you said, we had they
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had such a good year last year, you thought that
they were they could build off of this. But it's just,
for whatever reason, the chemistry on this team this season
has not been there. They don't have an identity, they
just did the top outside of Quinn Hughes, the top
players have not performed at the level that they need
(07:36):
to be performing at. And so when the depth, when
the death players secondary scoring, and the death players aren't
at the top of their game and the top players
aren't at the top of their game, then you're just
you're not going to win games as consistently as you
(07:56):
need to to make the playoffs and to be considered
a Cup contender as they were expected to be by
many going into this season. It's just, I just this
team has broken me this year. Like I just they
(08:17):
used like I used to make excuses to watch hockey
the Canucks games go like last year when they were
playing well and even going into like the dark dark
times and all that, like I still found reasons. This time.
It's just it's just I've stopped, like I've stopped like
trying to like like say no I can't. I've got
the Cannucksican to watch, So let's hang out a little
(08:39):
bit later, a little bit earlier. No, like just it's
and it's just because they just you don't know what
you're gonna get from this team they're they're in, they're
so consistently inconsistent that like it's just mhm, it's frustrated
to watch when they don't show up. And I said
(09:00):
they had, they had two good games against Washington and
Saint Louis. Washington's been a really good this year and
Saint Louis was chasing them in the standings. But they
just you just don't know, like come tomorrow when in
their next game, like if they're going to show up.
(09:21):
So you need to at some point the Yeah, I
know what people think that these comments and with rather
are going to hurt their hurt the trade value of
Peterson and Miller. I don't necessarily think so. But they
have the connection to stand firm on what they want
(09:42):
for them. They can't just say no, we have to
make a deal now.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, And that's that's where I do have some confidence
with this management group that they will hold out to
get the deal that they want. As as you know,
the previous regime or the one before that. But uh uh,
how whatever whatever they end up accepting, you know, assuming
there is a deal that ends up being made for
one or both players, it's still going to be underwhelming
(10:10):
and it's still going to be some degree of a setback.
Then what does that mean with Quinn Hughes. There's also
all the that for demco questions here too, as far
as you know health and is he going to ever
come back to that form we've seen in the past.
And I mean the more you guys start asking questions,
the more that just becomes more.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Questions, right, really, yeah, I just yeah, I think let's
I think if we take let's take this sort of
one player at a time at this point. Ye, And
let's start with a tem Miller. I think he's been,
his name's been in the trade talks. I think a
(10:53):
little bit more of this season, and there's more confidence
by a lot of the inside is that he's going
to be traded at some point. He's a heart and
soul player who just leaves. He's very extroverted with his
how he shows his emotions, so that can rub people
(11:16):
the wrong way. But also when things are going well,
you know you can tell and it just he can drive,
he can take over games. His contract, it is not horrible,
especially with the cap going up, but it's still not
(11:37):
great because it is he's still got let's see here,
he's got another he's eight million dollars a year for
another three five years after this like and he's not
(11:58):
and he's gone on the on the north side of thirty.
So it's not The contract situation isn't fantastic, but it's
not horrible in my opinion, especially with the cap going
up and most likely going up for the foreseeable future,
(12:18):
that contract's not going to look as bad going as
long as he continued to can can continue to be
a top even top nine forward for whoever gets him,
He'll still he'll still be a good player for that team.
What they cannot what can the Cannucks get for him,
(12:40):
I don't know at this point. Yeah, I think if
you're was it, Dallas might be interested. And do you
think he could be. You could find a way to
get a stankovin out of Dallas. If not, maybe a
Maverick Bork. If you can get that, then I think
you you take that and run.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I mean my my cynicism is that.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
This is maybe the I've always been an optimist, I
would consider myself be an optimist. But with this, I mean,
it's hard to imagine a top six forward or a
top pair of d man in a package with a
bunch of other picks and such. I started to imagine that,
I mean, in terms of immediate NHL help, I mean
a third line center maybe.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I think I think you'll be able to get like
a sort of a borderline someone who a player who's
they should be targeting, someone like in that same age
as a stank Ovid and Bork who hasn't quite popped yet.
You're looking at Dallas, who's right in the middle of
a contending window they want, like bringing him in would
(13:55):
be huge for them, And it's just whether whether or
not they what they see and how they value those
two players. Stankovin and Bork are currently on the wings
in the middle six for them. So but you bring in,
(14:20):
you bring in a miller and the boat like most
likely one of those guys is getting bumped off their line.
So that's that's why I think you if you're if
if it's Dallas, I think you have if the Canucks.
The Canucks have to be identifying players like that if
they're going if they're going to do that, I'm not
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sure how much more you get if if you're shooting
high for players like that, because those two guys are
are very high, highly thought of prospects Blue Chippers. But
so like in my mind, like I look back at
because maybe it's just because it's a Dallas Dallas there,
you can get one of those and just just move on,
(15:06):
Like maybe addition by subtraction is the the move here
and you can.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Well, so this so this comes back to the whole
idea of doing this interview in the first place, right,
I mean, isn't that kind of the spin that that
the organization is trying to put.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
On this maybe yeah, like try try to temper the
expectations of the return.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah yeah, but also to you know, to set people
up for the idea that you know it, we've kind
of reached the end of the road here with this
core and with these two players coexisting, so we're gonna
do something different, and you know, the addition by subtraction
part maybe you know kind of the reason to do it.
(15:46):
I just think that if you're gonna make this move.
I mean there might be two or three years before
the back of the playoffs. I know that maybe sounds
insane to hear that, but I mean the tone remote
ship has always been about chasing that playoff berth and
it's like, yeah, guys, but.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You know, the the covers getting a little bear too.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
In terms of future, you know, yeah, mix and prospects
that are that are viable. I mean they've tried different
guys and the promoted them, but nobody's really grabbing the
reins here. I mean Lecermacki, I guess offers the most
promise as far as you know somebody in the Canucks system, but.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Maybe at Ratu I don't know, but it's it's it's
a lot of.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
You know, not not useless, fair parts, but they're not
nobody's really jumping out at you.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
It's like, oh, this is no there's no there's no
one who's yeah, no one that you can really latch onto.
Is like, yeah, the future, that's exactly it. Lequermacki and
Ratu have definitely been on a heater down in the
h L. Hopefully Amaki has not. It's not too injured.
He went he had a bad fall into the boards
(16:55):
in the last yeah, one of the last Atmosphere games,
and the Canucks they just recall Atu Ratu and so
hopefully he can stick and at least become a uh,
the middle of the lineup player for the Canucks going
(17:16):
forwards here. But you're, yeah, they got you got Tom Vilander,
who's on on the blue line, who looks reavy solid,
and wouldn't be surprised if you see him make the
jump at least of the HL next year, if not not,
if not playing some NHL games at the end of
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this year, depending on where the Canucks are at two three. Again,
I think it really comes down to what they get
what they get in return for these players we looked
at like the Kevin and His video earlier today, he
(17:58):
talked about how he thinks that the the Canucks could
have could have possibly gotten like a their version of
the Pierre Luke Dubois trade with Miller being older. I
don't know if you're going to you won't you're you,
We're not going to get that many like NHL assets
for him. I don't think, at least not that caliber
(18:21):
of NHL assets trade to right, Yeah, yeah, So, but
I think if you look at you look at that
as the framework and you can adjust for the value.
I think that he's still got value out there. There
are there. They are going to be sixty twenty teams
(18:43):
who are fighting for playoff spots that would love to
have a GT. Miller at the top of his game
on their team. Right now, they're trying to low all
the Canucks and it's on Alvin and Ruther for it's
a hold firmed and make sure that when they get
those they get the deal that they want. The what
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was it the the rumor deal with the Rangers that
fell apart because the Rangers wanted Whether there's most there's
two different reports and why it fell apart. One was
that the Rangers wanted retention on JT JT's deal and
the other was there was a they couldn't couldn't can't
come to terms on the condition on the first round
(19:28):
pick that was rumored to be involved. The other two
players were Ryan Lindgren and Philip Hetel that were that
were rumored to be in that deal. I mean, it's
not a horrible deal. Lin Gren is a UFA at
the end of this year, a left shot, physical defenseman.
(19:53):
Do we know could could have Could he have been
someone that the that that could have helped the defense
corps Maybe, But again it's not necessarily this position, like
with the left shop being the position that they're necessarily leaning.
Keetl is the third line center at best, a good
(20:14):
one I think when he's on. But so I think
it would come down to what they would do with
that first round pick if they could find a way
to flip it the way they did within the Horror
Bat trade and get and get an NHL player like
they gotten in philip Ronic. So maybe that's the way
they have to go about it too. It's not necessarily
(20:37):
about the first trade that they make and the assets
they get back in that trade. Is what they do
with those assets going forwards that that will be the
looking at the totality of what happens going with this
with any moves that they make, because they're just I
(20:58):
do I do think you're right there their tyler in
the fact that this this a part A part of
that interview was definitely maybe a managing up aspects there
and trying to not only temper the expectations of the fans,
but sort of manage upwards to ownership, saying that we
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need to find a way to make this deal happen,
even if it's not for top end prospects or top
six forwards.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Now, just going back to the whole you know, media
circus part of this, and you've been anybody that follows
Sean on on X or any of social media knows
where he's at with how you know, media blowing things
up bigger than they might be. I mean, that is true.
I think at this point I'm gonna say no, this
is on the organization now. I mean, if you're going
(21:58):
to go out of your way to exclude the media
and of an exclusive interview to one outlet to confirm
the reporting that they've already they've already been talking about.
You know, this has been poorly managed by the organization.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It's not an easy situation to manage.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Not saying that that's the case, but now they've really
put themselves in a difficult position.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Then they're into doing damage control.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
And I suppose the Aquilines and Gary Mason begget along well,
so perhaps that's why he got the interview. I don't know,
that's a that's a I'm kind of going out on
the limb with that theory there. But whatever the case, now,
I think it would be nice if the fans moved
off to blame the media thing, because we're I think
we are past that point here now.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
This is this is, this has.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Been confirmed by the president of the team, and essentially
these two players can't get along and something is going.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
To have to change. And you know it may not
even just be for egos.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I mean that the team frankly just isn't good enough
and we're seeing it unfold on the ice this season.
And if there's a way to you restock the cupboard
and look to two three years down the road. Here again,
as painful as that is to hear, that's probably the
right course of action at this moment in time. And
you know, holding firm and getting a getting a good return,
(23:13):
is that that's that's where they have to go, and
whatever happens this year, just let the chips fall where
they may.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I guess, Yeah, where I'm at now is that I
think that two things can be true. One those these
two players don't get along well enough to be successful
as teammates and for the Canucks to be successful as
a team. And two, I don't think that the media
circus surrounding this whole situation helped it all for them
(23:41):
trying to figure out if this if they could I
think it just it just it got and it got
out of head. And yes, I don't think the Canuts
as a as a franchise handled it in pr terms
very well at all. You had the anything can Happen
quote from Patrick Alvin at one point, which I Kevin
(24:07):
said he threw. Kevin says he said in his piece
in his video earlier today that he felt like that
comment threw players under the bus. I don't. I disagree.
I think that that is a that was just a Honestly,
I feel like Alvin thought that was more of a
sort of light in the mood, throwaway comment that the
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market ran with.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
And I don't I mean he could frame it as
throwing players under the bus. These guys make millions and
millions of dollars, far more than than the executives on
that run the team. At some point they do need
to be accountable. Well, you could call it throwing them
under the bus. I mean no, if you want to
start pointing fingers, the players have underperformed. They are they
(24:54):
are underperforming their contracts and the two that we're.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Spending all the time talking about here.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
So you know, yeah, whatever verbiage you want to use,
I think it's it's still fair to criticize the players
and maybe even criticize them more than management.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
This management group inherited these guys.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yes, they did resign, They did resign them.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
You know they went once they sign on the dotted
line to to you know, play for those big contracts.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
They got to uphold their end of it. Yeah, And
I think that's part of what they were like there
is they try to to work, work quietly. They tried
to work subtly. And now the brother for one, Yes,
I will completely agre with keV. I think this was
brother Ford I mean, for lack of a better term,
(25:46):
throwing Miller and Pete under the bus because he basically
said that their their issues have definitely affected the team.
And it's hard to heard you with that. But so yeah,
we established I think do you think that Miller is
(26:07):
the first one to go there, Tyler.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Yes, I think there's probably gotta be more. I would
assume there would be more interested in him from other teams.
His cap hit and terms is less to take on.
I would see more appetite for for him in the trade,
and uh, you know I did. The Canucks have committed
more to Peterson. So I mean, all all of those
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things would would point in that direction. I mean, let's
be honest, who who who is really salivating for Elias
Petterson out there?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I mean it was it was reported that the Hurricanes
were mat had.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
And that's you know, they've gone a different direction house
to take that one off the table, right.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
But I'm saying that I think I think there are
that there is an appetite for a Pederson out there.
I think you could, okay, like he doesn't have any
trade protection at this point, he won't have it until
July one, Yes, so does make it.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
That does make it, does make a deal a lot
more feasible. Fitting that contract under you know, a team
that's got limited cap space is another story. I just
think if you're a team that's looking to add at
the deadline to go on a playoff run, a guy
with what you know, a guy.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Like J T.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Miller, what he brings to the table with his the
bite factor to his game and then he can play
wing and play center and and he's you know, he's
he's just got that nastiness to him, like to me,
like if I I would see that as a more
attractive piece to try to pick up to add to
your team, and you're not as committed financially to doing that.
(27:56):
And I'm sure there's a good number of places out
there he'd be willing to waive. There's no tree applause
for He's gonna come out in the media and say
that he loves Vancouver and and he doesn't want to go.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
That's what they all say.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
That's performative when they do that, and that's to make
sure that they keep all their options open, you know.
I mean, if the team doesn't want him there anymore,
I'm sure he'll be willing to waive that no trade cause.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
To go somewhere. Mm hm oh, yeah, he'll. It sounds
like maybe east East Coast to the States makes a
lot of sense for JT. Miller. Whether it's the Rangers
the Devils have said that his movements, the Devils have
been interested in him. So I think those I think
those two are the and maybe potentially Dallas. I think
(28:41):
you're the three to three teams to watch for him
the other and then with with pet I think that
opens up a little bit more, just because I think
it's you'd have more teams looking at him, more teams
willing to take a swing on him. I think you
could see maybe a Utah potentially doing that. You've got
(29:06):
Buffalo and and everything going on there. I could see
them trying to take a big swing there, and they
they keep never never count the abs for both players.
I think I wouldn't be surprised if they just try
(29:27):
to try to do something and then I keep and
I wonder about maybe Chicago. I don't know if Chicago
has the assets that the conduct would want in that
deal that'd be willing to give up, right because yeah,
(29:51):
we could fantasize about a Conra Boguard coming home trade all,
but it's not happening. I wouldn't this like if they
could if there they can get creative and that might
be a I think it just might be that wouldn't
be a I wouldn't be surprised if that's a team
(30:15):
that wou would look at at at trying to do that. Yeah,
just with every like all the body language things and
how just deflated Bdard has looked this year at times. Yeah, yeah,
that could like that, Like they could see that. I
could see them going, Okay, let's swing for the fences,
(30:36):
Let's offer all the first film hits and see what
and and and prospects and all that. So I think
that could be it.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
But yeah, I mean, we're we're doing a podcast here
that we're at times you're struggling for the words, right,
I mean, this is just sits. Gary Mason and his
article in the Globe and Mail did use the word
that the sobering to describe the reality check that that
(31:09):
that exists here when you hear this from the president
of the team. And yes, it is a very sobering
piece to read. And you know what's what's also sobering
is that there may not be a deal that gets
done before the trade deadline this year, and this this
soap opera could continue for a while and and and
as long as both players are on the team and
(31:29):
they're struggling. I mean that you thought it was a
media circus already.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Sean, do you okay with with that media service idea?
Do you think that if Miller is traded that the
media circus will be even more with p after or
do you think there might be a relaxation of it?
(31:57):
At least to start.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I mean news media and and and and just the
way that media operates a very conflict oriented, right, So
it's it's a very juicy story right now when you
have two guys that are not getting along because there's
that conflict, right, So it's hard to imagine that they're
continuing to be you know that once one or the
other gets moved, they'll just maybe find another whipping boy
(32:22):
and some boy you know you No, I would think
I would think that things would calm down for a while.
Maybe they'll just go back to favorite topic of trying
to make a goalie controversy when really there isn't one,
and that Lincoln is the guy just to just say,
you know, that's that's always one that is easy material
(32:43):
for them, fills a lot of hours on the talk shows.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, I have a heart, and it all comes down
to how well whoever is left plays, because if they
play well after after the trade is made, then yeah,
it calms down. But if they still struggle, I think
you will see a little bit of that and it
will grow again. But it's yeah, I think that I
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just I just hope that whatever move they do make,
that there does something whatever monkey or gorilla King Kong
size thing is that's on weight, that's on the back
of it, that the team gets lifted and they can
start playing, because I think part of it and it
just looks like none of them are having fun goings
(33:32):
in the arena. And I mean you see the sure
and that's there's no real like sell like exuberant celebrations anymore.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, you know, like people will want to say that
there's a lack of effort that or not showing up.
I mean it comes across that way, sure, but I
believe is the is more what you're talking about there,
Like it just doesn't look like they feel like they
have any chance.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It looks like they feel defeated already.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Yeah, so obviously that you know that compete level is
not going to be there when you're already feeling defeated
from the outset, right.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, So I think, yeah, solbury is such a good
good word for this.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Because I mean, I don't know, you know, I'm just
sitting here right now just feeling like, oh, you know,
like it's it's I don't really know how else how
else to say it.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
You're just holding that it wasn't going to come to this,
and and yet here we are.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, yeah, if that do end up moving Patterson, I
do wonder if, like I think, I keep going back,
like with with with Miller, I keep looking at Dallas
and New Jersey as but as spots because I think
(34:57):
there's there's pieces there that makes sense. There's pieces there
that I think can help the Canucks not only in
the future, but now the Rangers. I don't not I
don't think there's anything there that like really like makes
me feel good about the trade. And then with with
(35:18):
p D, I go to Buffalo and I think, just
you've got Dylan Cousins there, and you've got Boomvirom there,
You've got Jack Quinn, You've got You've They've got pieces
that could really feel like could fit in, especially with
(35:40):
a Rick Talcket system. Like I really feel like if
if Dylan Cousins in a Rick Talcket system could be
really good. Yeah, And if you're gonna go that route,
that's one one underperforming player for another and see if
(36:00):
you can, if they can they can rediscover their their
their forums in the in this new in the new
uh spots And it's just but it's I love coming
on on this podcast. And talking, but like when it's
(36:21):
when it's this sobering and this just I feel this defeated,
just like it's just like the player it looks like
the players are at times, I feel just so defeated.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
And that's that's what's so concerning about it, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
And it's as I said, I've really, as someone who
has a podcast, I've really stopped consuming much in the
way of sports media in the Vancouver market and even
just sport like hockey media period because I just don't
want to have to listen to this the same stuff
over and over again, Like all of today was seems
(36:56):
to be all about who to blame, why is this happening?
Why is this going on now? And now I'm trying
to focus on going forwards, like what does this mean
for the Canucks? Are they actually any what are a
word can we just use to describe what the Canucks
are going to go through now into the beginning of
(37:17):
next season, let alone going for past that? What does
this mean for Quinn Hughes Because that was another little
little thing well I don't even know if it was
anything like anything major in that Gary Mason article about
how Bruther Friend said, like we want to keep Quinn
(37:38):
Hughes here, but we know he's not going to want
to go through a rebuild, so we have to be
cognizant of that. And then everyone's like quin Hughes doesn't
want to go through a rebuild. I think it's just
that's fair. He's already gone through it. He hasn't seen
much in the way of any of playoff can like
playoff being able to play in the playoffs and enjoy that.
(38:00):
He said basically one season, like they had the bubble.
They had the bubble one, but that doesn't that's not
the same.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, I mean's truly just last year's run.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, So like he wants to get back there, he
wants to stay there, he doesn't want to go backwards.
That's fair. There's nothing. I don't think there's anything newsworthy
about that. But I think what it does is, as
I said, that's why I think you have to instead
of going for quantity quantity of assets, I think you
(38:32):
have to go for quality here in both these trades.
And that's why I keep going back to Dallas for JT.
Miller and I just identify Bork and Stankove and as
players that they want and if they can't get them,
then you just you hold you hold fast.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Yeah, I mean, you know, and if they do end
up having to take a trade that involves draft picks,
then the hope would be in the next this upcoming
draft and the one at the year after that they
can kind of stock the cupboard there and ideally with
some second round picks. I mean, I'm not holding out
much hope for my first round picks. Maybe depending on
which team you trade with, you might get a low
(39:11):
first round pick. That'd be great, fantastic if they could.
But you know, if you can get a little bit
of that, But but more along the lines of what
you're talking about, like credible immediate NHL level.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Help you or players who're just on the verge of that.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah, I think you could look at that and say,
well that we did the best we could under these circumstances,
and we're going to move.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Forward with that.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
That's you know, that's going forward. I guess that's what
we're gonna hope for. Or if these guys find a
way to kiss and make up and it's all over.
But I mean, I don't know, the fact that this
interview came out today suggests that's not going to happen,
so and you know, I just want to say that
that part, to me is what's really disappointing. I'm sure
a lot of people feel this way too. These guys
(39:57):
are making big money the professional athletes. Part of the
professionalism is to work out whatever personal differences you have
with your your coworkers.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
And this exists in all kinds.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Of work context people not getting along, but you're all
there to do a job and to try to move
the operation in the same direction. And you know, it
just did. It's obviously a lot more spotlight when you're
in a in a very public spotlight like like it
is being on a pro sports team. And it's just
(40:28):
too bad that they can't figure out some way to
make this work.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
But I mean, you don't have to.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
You don't have to spend too much time following this
team to see how what you know, what kind of
difference in personality we're talking about here with guys like JT.
Miller and Elis Penderson, and I think they couldn't be
more polar opposite in terms of personality and sort of
what motivates them and what leavers to pose a coach
and what you know how how their communication styles would
differ and how there would maybe be differences of agreement
(40:58):
on the way that they're doing things.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, and it's just I think I think at this
point you have to look at this as Alvin and
Brutherford have to look at this as a as a
true opportunity to completely get this team. And I D
player and the reason why I also think that Stank,
Covin and Bork are players, so they should be I
(41:23):
ding is I think they fit what they what they
want this team to be like, and their there. They're high,
high motor players. They Stank Coven played for the Kamlos Blazers.
Dylan Dylan Cosbins was another w h L guys from
white Horse. They're both sort of almost quote unquote local kids.
(41:46):
And if you can get the right players in here
that have that motivation and want to be a conduct
I want to be like part of the solution and
are willing to put make sure that they're putting any
sort of differences aside to make that happen, then you
(42:06):
can start moving forwards. Because that seems to be the
problem here. It's like, it's not that I'm saying I
don't think that p D wants to doesn't want to
be a knucker. Miller doesn't want to be a knuckt.
But I think they just for whatever reason did it's
just not working. They need in whatever the return is
for the for these guys is you have to go
(42:28):
forwards and into this offseason, the deadline, and this offseason
into next season and finding players who want to be
who want to put on the blue and green, the
black and yellow and and represent Vancouver and have the
(42:48):
pride to do it to the point where they know that,
Like how this has been so sobering in deflating for
this fan base. We went we we've seen after twenty eleven,
we just saw this deterioration of that core. You had
some hope with Brockbester coming in, you have with Beau
Horvat and Brockbest are coming in. You had some more
(43:11):
hope money they brought in Pedi and Quentin Hughes and
they just never never be able to realize their potential
until last season and now this happens. So whoever comes
in needs to be a breath of fresh air. Whoever
comes in needs to be willing to bleed blue and
(43:31):
green more than more than this core has our it.
It felt like this feels like this core does.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You look at you look at the numbers that are
up in the rafters at Rogers Arena, and you can
argue about them till till whenever. But Stan Smail, Trevor Linden,
Marcus Nadland and the Sadines, you've got pabab are up
there as well. But with those other those the rest
of them, they bled Vancouver Canucks color. They Yeah, Alex
(44:11):
Burrows is part of the Ring of honor bled Vancouver
Canucks colors. Like you've got Kevin Biexa on that on
on Hockey Night in Canada defending them because he bled
Vancouver Canucks colors. Even the fact that Ryan Caster left
(44:31):
when he said, like he says that he it was his,
it was his. It was his biggest regret was leaving Vancouver.
He wanted to win more than anything else you need.
And that's kind of sort of the value you get
from j T. He's like, he wants to win more
than anything else. I don't think he necessarily bleeds Vancouver
(44:55):
Canucks colors the way that the the Burrow, the b
X says, the Sedens, Linden's and the smells specifically did.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does feel like we're a long
way away from seeing that again.
Speaker 7 (45:14):
Right right, yeah, I mean then yeah, there they their
last two games, right, they've won her last two games.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
If they went the next two, how does this whole
narrative change. Maybe it does change a little bit. See,
we're gonna spin the.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I mean, yeah, he rather it did say that they
are sort of because I don't know when that Rutherford
interview was actually done. It was definitely not done yesterday.
It says Monday, on Monday, so yeah, so that was it.
That was yesterday, yesterday, Okay, yeah, that's what Gary. But
(45:55):
before it was been before the Yeah, it was done
before the game. So yeah. So but when you look
at the same thing, like the Canucks, what they go in,
They have the game against Edmonton where well all hell
breaks loose, and then they lay two eggs against Edmonton
(46:21):
later on that week as well as earlier in the
week versus I can't remember. But and then they go out,
go out and play really well against Washington on Saturday night,
and then again another nice solid game against Saint Louis
last night. You don't know what you're getting and that's
(46:42):
the problem. Yeah, like going they played I think it
was that Nashville tomorrow. Yeah, they played Nashville tomorrow, and
it's just like what what what what? What Canucks are
going to show up tomorrow? We're gonna get week day
Canucks or Saturday night Canucks. Last night we got Saturday
(47:03):
night Canucks. They they forgot it was Monday and they
showed up to play.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
So uh yeah, Now, who knows what kind of circus
there's gonna be when you know, everybody meets the press
again here, uh whatever that that opportunity is maybe tomorrow
morning skate or whatever.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
But they're on the road and there's not many there's
not not many media members traveling these days.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
So that could have something to do with Yeah, the
timing of the interview may be, may may be connected
with that.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
It's a good point. Yeah, they don't They're not back
in Vancouver until Sunday, uh against the Red Wings.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
So you know, I I my hope is that because
the you know, it's Jim for to come out and
gave these comments in the media, that maybe that'll take
a little bit of the focus off the players and
the underperforming and off the coach. For at least a
few days, you know, and maybe they can just get
(48:15):
back to playing hockey and a success breeds success, and
if they could just you know, if they can get
another win here and suddenly now we're on a winning
streak and they're starting to feel a little better and
that the pucks going in the net.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Things things can really turn around.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
And there's a lot of ifs there, but that's I mean,
that's the that's the path forward that they that they
can control. That's the part that the players can control
is just what they do on the ice and trying
to get their fundamentals figured out. They've had a lot
of lineup flocks. Obviously they struggled with without Tyler Myers.
He's back, you know, things are sort of slotting back
(48:49):
into place a little more like they're supposed to lanking
and giving them solid goaltending again after illness there, I mean,
why not now to go on a little run.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
It's now or never really for this team.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
If they're gonna try to solvage this season in some fashion.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yep, they need they need to get going. And whether
it's now and then they can regardless of where when
these moves are made, they need to figure they need
to figure their shit out now as a team, regardless
of who's there, and start just showing up. Because I
think the other issue is right now is just their
home records atrocious. Yeah, Like they just they haven't put
(49:31):
they haven't put really good efforts in front of in
front of the home fans, and it's just I think
that also adds to the to the noise and the
frustration within the market because the people are putting up
a lot of money to go to these games and
getting poor performances more often than not. Yeah, So.
Speaker 8 (49:55):
As you mentioned, Yeah, you mentioned Tyler Myerser Tyler, we
haven't had you on since that hole kerfuffle.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
What were you What was your thoughts on everything that
went down regarding McDavid Meyer's bouchard.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yeah, I know, I know that's that news cycles past here.
I mean my comment on that, I was disappointed with
the standard of the referees in that game. And there's
two veterans, Chris Lee and West McCauley. McCauley considered by
many to be one of the best, if not the
best referee in the league. Uh, it was to let
him play and then it led to that situation at
(50:38):
the end. They missed a high stick earlier in the game,
I think it was Quinn Hughes got in the throat.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Near the end of the second period.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Things came to a head there, and you know, there's
nothing's being called. McDavid's frustrated, they're losing. He reacts, Tyler
Myers reacts. It's a lot of regrettable things that.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Went on there.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
I was my cynical view was that they would rule
harsher on Myers than McDavid. They went with three game
suspensions for each of them, which I think is the
correct discipline toy issue, which is hard to you know,
we don't say very often that they get these things right.
There's often a lot of disappointment over the rulings.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
It was just really unfortunate that it led to that.
I felt like all of that.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
Could have been avoided with just a bit of a
tighter re officiating standard throughout that game.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, but yeah, I think, yeah, they got it, like
I we We did a podcast the Sunday after that game,
and then Kevin let loose on the whole Edmonton narrative
a little bit later on that week after the after
the suspensions got announced. But Yeah, it's just it's such
(51:58):
a gom show, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
Oh well, And I mean we should have known that
the reactions between social media, between the fans and the
respective media course would be what they were, because I
mean we saw that in the playoffs last year. I
mean it's just like, I mean, it's it's great. I mean,
it just shows the passion that people have for their
team and for the rivalry, and it's you know, it's
(52:21):
turning into quite a rivalry now.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
I mean that's part of why we like sports, is.
Speaker 4 (52:28):
When that that fire is burning on both sides of
a rivalry. But uh, you know, I appreciated Kevin's rant
about you know, protecting their star versus protecting star players. Yeah,
it tends to be that way. The arguments over, we're
going to protect our star as well. No, it's that's
what it suits. You typically is how it goes, and
(52:50):
we were getting that from the Edmonton side of it,
you know, it is what it is, contray versus.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Uh. Yeah, the same Evanton media who were screaming protect
the stars were applauding Corey Perry for driving Quinn who's
his head into the boards.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
So I know, like that that's why.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
That's why fans need to just like not get in
a tizzy over that, because they don't really have that
much credibility when they start opining on these things.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Do they No, No, no, not at all. And then
the other big news over the last little bit was
we touched on that briefly with the Carolina Hurricanes making
a big splash. They were sounded like they were interested
(53:40):
in my Emilius Patterson, but they ended up going after
getting Miko Ranton in as well as Taylor Hall in
a massive, massive trade. Man that is, honestly, I think
looks like it's gonna work out for both teams, both
Colorado and and Carolina. And my opinions, Carolina's lineup is
(54:03):
super deep now and Martin Nachis is a damn good player,
and they got I think Colorado, I think is not
going to be done. If you want, if you want
a dark horse on some on a team that could
go after one of the Canucks players, Canucks players that
(54:23):
are going to be available, it's it's Colorado. Yeah. So
is there anything else, Tyler? I know it was a
bit of a doom and gloom podcast.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, I just what I just want to say It's
nice to be back on with you here.
Speaker 4 (54:41):
It's been so long. Apologies that I haven't been able
to make it on with the various schedules that we
all have that we're trying to coordinate.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
I did want to comment just very quickly.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
Last night was an Amazon Prime telecaster that for the Canucks,
the third one now and isn't it refreshing, Like, isn't
it refreshing? It was, it's And it's nothing against the
Sportsnet crew or or John Shorthouse or or or tap,
Tomlinson or murpher and we love Ray Ferro now being
part of the broadcast as well, but it's it's it
(55:16):
the just the it's just nice that that is a
very focused on the game type of broadcast.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
It's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Not it's they're not trying to reinvent the wheel.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
And like the picture and audio quality is great through
uh the Prime Video app. And you know, if this
is the future of broadcasting NHL games, I think I think.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
They're heading in a good direction.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
It's just that that that broadcast just doesn't like you
don't want the telecast to be distracting from the viewing
experience or annoy you and and they those boxes are checked.
So for a handful of games in a season, Yeah,
I can live with watching it on the on the
Amazon Prime because they're doing a good job.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I just wanted to say that.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
They are. Yeah, it's fantastic. And I don't I don't
know what they've done differently tech technically wise, because yeah,
the picture quality it just feels so much better. And
I just I don't know what they're doing that sports
that isn't so what before we do it? Sign off here?
(56:29):
There was one thing it was reported there we Go
reported by Darren Drager that the NHL and the NHL
PA are have advised the Double IHF that they are
intending to move forward with the for the twenty twenty
eight World Cup at least for now, without the Double
(56:49):
IHF's involvement. And I think there's a lot of people
who would probably like looked squint at that a little bit,
but I think it may make sense for multiple reasons.
The main reason money, right Tyler, mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Doesn't always come down to.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
That just it's always about the money.
Speaker 4 (57:17):
I mean, it's always Hockey World Cup of Hockey that's
organized by the NHL with NHL officials, NHL rules, NHL
everything's done by the NHL.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
I mean, what did it even need the double I
HFS involvement.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
Then they want I think they want to like just
play ball, for lack of a better term, play fair play,
like just because they know that it's it's gonna be
tougher without without them. That being said, depending on how
this four Nations tournament that comes that's coming up real
fucking quick here turns out like it could be a
(57:58):
lot easier. I think the big question here is, yeah,
not only about money is the reason they're doing this,
but this is also open up the door for potentially
because it's twenty twenty eight or three years away from that,
but potentially a rush like Russia involvement at least I
(58:19):
think involvement.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah, well, I we got.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
To get back to that, you know.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
I there's been there's feelings that the World Junior Hockey
Championship this past Christmas holiday season where people are saying,
you know, it doesn't doesn't feel like it once did.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
Well, it's not the same as it once was. There's
no Russian team. It's just it's just not the same.
Speaker 4 (58:42):
You know, got to find a way to get them back,
and I do, you know, have full regard for the
political context that surrounds that whole situation.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
But you know, when you're when you when you're when
your goal is.
Speaker 4 (58:57):
To have best on best international competition and you don't
have Russia involved, it's not truly a best on best competition.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
I'm sorry, it's just it's not And it's a touchy Yeah,
it's a touchy subject. But yeah, I think that's what
they might be a big reason why that they're going
forward with this is that I think it might open
up for them to be able to have maybe they
might not even call them the Russian Act like whatever
(59:27):
they want to call call the team, but they'll allow
those athletes from Russia to participate in it and for
for a no nice product, it will be better. Whether
or not will help sell the game or do anything
like that. With all the all the political reasons as
to why they are. Russian athletes haven't been involved in
(59:50):
a lot of sports right now, I don't know at
this point. So but it's nothing to watch for sure. Yeah,
all right, Tyler, we jumped right into it, so I
didn't even get a chance to sort of ask you
how you've been doing, and how the how life as
the Zebra has been.
Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
It was turbulent last weekend and Prince Rupert we had
two Central Interior Hockey League games. Are one of the
weekends where we have the teams from the Caribou come up,
so it's busier we can doing multiple games. There was
a coach ejection, which was unfortunate, but so that said,
(01:00:34):
we are.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
At that point of the season.
Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
I guess you could say where it's getting a little
more intense. There's one more one more weekend to go
here with the regular season, and we're rolling ready into
the playoffs. So it's an exciting time of the year
for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Awesome. All right, how do we follow you there, Tyler?
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, I'm on x dot com at T Noble t
N O B l E.
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I'm very connect zero three. On Twitter, you can follow
Chris s c A H s C h n E,
I d Z on X and I think Schneide's ten
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V O l E and all the social media's. Devin
will come back at some point. We got him back
(01:01:22):
one point one point this this this season, we'll get
him back again. You can follow us shifts and pucks
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all the platforms we're on at this point, so thank
you for turning, tuning in. Thank you for all your support.
(01:01:45):
We will see you next time. Bye for now,
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