Flames get Farabee and Frost

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It's just not a calm time in the hockey world
right now. It is like it's been a frenzy of
things with major trades all over the place and led
the landscape of the league kind of shaking down here
a little bit, but we plod on through. Welcome to

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Your audio joined by Dan from fireside Chat. Hello Dan,
Happy Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
How are you happy Sunday? How are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I'm playing hurt as you hear in my voice. But
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I've been a little fighting this flu bug here.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
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I feel like I'm dat I would say I'll be
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that that's very accurate right now. But uh yeah, it's
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back to bed is the objective here.

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Well, if you if you're if you need to call
somebody up, let us know. We we might be all
works on out all right. Well, we've both cleared waivers
to go on each other's shows in the last couple
of years. I'm sure we'll clear waivers again. The waiver
wire has been busy enough. No one's got claimed. I'm
sure we won't either.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
That's it's that's very true. And speaking of waivers, that's
a good transition dan Uh Jacobelche went on waivers before
the season started. He went uncliented. There was a discussion
by myself about Andre Kuzmenko possibly going on waivers, and

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then he got on a little bit of a hot streak,
and I do actually think that there was a It
was not out of the realm of possibility that Kuzmenko
was going to go on waivers, but for that hot streak.
But Jacob Elchi played himself onto the first line for

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a little bit here in the game against Minnesota with
Cadri and Huberto and was kissing helmets and kissing babies.
But lo and behold. On Thursday, Andrey Kuzmenko is left
out of the lineup the last minute, being held out
for a late scratch, and then after the first period,

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Jacob Pelch is taken out of the game, and it
turns out that both of them were traded along with
a second round pick in this year's draft and a
seventh round pick in twenty twenty eight for left winger
Joel Farrabee, who is a He is a twenty four

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year old first round pick in twenty eighteen, fourteenth overall.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I think at this point, say just winger because he
played right for the Flames last night.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
He did, Yes, he did. And then Morgan Frost, who
is a center and played center last night, a twenty
five year old center from Aurora, Ontario, a first round
pick in twenty seventeen, twenty seventh overall. Frost has eleven
goals and fourteen assists for twenty five points in fifty games.
And Farabee has eight goals, eleven assists, nineteen points fifty

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one games so far. And Farabee last night played eighteen
oh one, won twenty four shifts, no shots on goal.
Frost played seventeen thirty seven, had three shots on goal,
was a minus too. Uh. Let's get the first of
your thoughts on the trade, Dad, I.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Love the trade. I think we knew the Flames needed
centermon We knew that, you know, who they've been putting there,
like Zary was not a full time fix, you know,
Sharon Govich not a full time fix. They needed centerman.
We didn't know how that would come. But these are
guys that whether you think there's a rebuild or a
playoff team, I think will help the team either way.

(05:26):
I think the Flame's got two really great young pieces
and two pieces that they will want to hang on
to for a while. I think moving out the pieces
they did. Yes, we all like Pelte as a person
and you know what he's become, but you've got to
give something to get something. I think it's an amazing
it's an amazing deal for Greg Conroy.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, I like it too. I called this an intelligent
trade because it was this is not deviating from any plan, right,
This is not you're not cashing in your chip for
this big ticket, big money free agency, get your free
agent or rental player that you're going all in for
a playoff run. You're still on the plan. You're just

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improving the team. It's a howk. It's essentially a hockey
trade for two guys that you know are in that
age group that the Flames are looking for and can
be an improvement. Like Gerald Farrabee is essentially what the
Flames were hoping Anthony Manta was going to be. Unfortunately
Nantha got hurt and then Morgan Frost is a is

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an absolute upgrade on that center on the center situation,
which is you know you got cadri and Backlan. They've
definitely missed Zari and Kevin Rooney and Clark Bishop aren't
quite there, and of course let's not forget the unfortunate
experiment that Martin Paspiso has been at center. So I think, yeah,

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I definitely think they've improved their team, and they.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Difference with I think Manton Ferby two Fairb is quite
a bit younger.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yes, yeah, I think that's that's true. It'll I believe
a little bit. I'll chick punk Pedia here, but well,
he's he's going to be around for a while now.
Frost is an interesting situation because he is a restricted
free agent, so they will have to make an offer
on him. I'm assuming that they have already kind of.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Joe Ferby's making more money than than Mantha was. I
think Mantha was three point two and Frost is five
million right through twenty seven to twenty eight, so a
couple more seasons, but at least it's or sorry Farb, Yeah,
but it's cost certainty at least.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Right, yes, because so yeah, so Farrabe stood twenty twenty eight,
Frost is a UFA or RFA in twenty five twenty six,
and I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Whatever the number is, the flames, I mean, I'm.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, they will pay the as you like to.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Say, yeah. I mean they you know, they'll pay him
because they've just acquired him. They're going to, you know,
whatever the nice man in the office offers, I think
he'll take. I mean, let's be honest, I think Frost
is on a bit of a down season, so is Fairbee.
So you're you're not going to get maximum value out
of either guy right now, and that's okay. But I
would imagine Frost gets about four million from the Flames

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on probably a three year deal, maybe four year deal,
and I think that's perfectly fine for where he's at.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, this is not a guy that you should be
signing for eight years. Well I don't think you shot
signed any player for eight years in my humble opinion.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
But Conor has already said that's not what they want
to be doing, right, So ye got yeah, And let's
be honest, Frost has not looked fantastic enough that anybody's
going to offer sheet him. If they do the Flames
and match it.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah they should match it. I don't but I don't
know if I I don't know if I agree with you,
because I think he's in the range that a lot
of teams would He's in that middle tier that I
think if I was in the offer sheet game, I
would consider.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I'm just saying that for a lot of teams they
could use those picks to go and acquire similar asset.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
That's true, I see your point, but I could you know,
I do think it would be smarter for the Flames
to not linger on this. I'll Edmonton and Gillan Halloween
and Philip Roberg and get this done as quickly as possible.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, if you look at a lot of guys they
brought in last year, like Meyror Manov, I mean that
deal was done very quickly. I think you know. I'm frost.
I don't want to sign yet because I have no
idea who these guys are and what they're about. But
I think that the Flames will get this done. I
think before he hits the UFA market.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, before July first. They don't need to get it
done today.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
But well, we're on this trade. Can we now talk
about the trade tree of Elias Lindholm.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yes, it is quite a trade tree. And as a
guy that has been a known Elias Lindholm supporter, I
will give Craig Conroy all the credit in the world
for how this has been handled, but you go ahead
with this.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
So at this point, the Flames have moved out Elias Lindholme,
Jacob Pelty, a second round pick and a seventh round
pick in they brought in Morgan Frost, Joel Ferraby, Matt
Vey Gridden, Luke Mysa, Hunter, Brush Davich, Eric Jamison, and
Yoni Yermo. It's a hell of our return.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, yeah, it Isla, and it's it's some now, some later.
It's there's nobody in there that is your franchise excuse me,
your franchise player necessarily, or you're gonna build around.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
But they didn't. I would argue they didn't move out
a franchise player either.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
No, but they probably this was the guy they were
going to get the mouse for, right, Elias, This was
the centerpiece that you were going to make the meat
of your deal. Your team is going to be around this,
And I think that they've done very well on that.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, I think like I think Bristavitch, I think potentially Misa,
I think Frost, I think Fairbee. They're all guys that
will be in this organization for a long time as contributors.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, and they get drafted very well last year. I
think let's not forget that as well, because I mean
it's not wasn't only the Zane correct pick. Of course,
you got the Gredeen pick. Who's who's scoring. And Andrew
Basha is a guy that I'm very intrigued about. I
think he's going to be a guy to watch out
for with the Flames. I love his physicality. It may

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take him a little while to get in, but you know,
they've and so, I mean, I know a lot of
people are talking about Luke Misa as well. So they've Yeah,
they've done very well. They've built a good foundation. And
I this is why I pushed back where a lot
of people with the Craig Conroy hasn't done a good job.
I think he's done an amazing job considering what he

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has been put in. And some trades are not some
trades are not going to work out. But I think
everything here has worked out. I mean, they've got you
Jerseys first, They've got Vegas first. They probably will if
they don't have Montreal's first, they're gonna have Florida's first,
So they potentially could have three first round picks in
this draft. Yep so, and so you know, yeah, so

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I think, ultimately, yeah, this is a good This is
a win for the Flames in terms of like they've
improved their team and and you know, and as much
as there is a debate online about the tankathon or
what it like long term and all of that, I
think coln Wrhey read the room and this this room.

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You know, whether you think it's because of Dustin Wolf
only or not, this this team is in a playoff position.
It is fighting for a playoff spot. They are actually
in the playoff spot despite the loss last to Detroit.
So and they have the win percentage and damage over
the Canucks. Say they they deserve to boost. And so

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I give Conway full credit for how this has all
been handled. I think well done.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, so do I and I think they deserved a boost.
But I also would have been upset if the Flames
went out and just rented that boost. I love this
deal because you're bringing in a twenty four and to
twenty five year old who you bring them in early enough.
They're not just you know, coming into the end of
the season, don't have time to get acquainted with this team.
You bring them in early, you're going to integrate them
into the team. And these will be guys. They'll be
here for you know, two three, four years, like you know,

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if they would have just yeah we need a boost. Okay,
we got a thirty four year old. There you go.
I would have been upset, But I.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Don't think that it was ever in. I think kak
Conway was sticking to his convictions all along.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I think you're right, but I think fans wish that
he would have. Right, fans wanted to build for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, I don't think that. I think that you still were.
I think you're still thinking long term and you're still
building for the future. Like it's not it would suck
at the Flames don't make the playoffs. But it's not
horrendous that the Flames don't make the playoffs, if that
makes sense, right.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, I mean the Flames are never destined for the
playoffs the begind of the years. So if they do it,
to bonus. If not, they've achieved as expected.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now let's look at what the Flames lost,
and I guess we start with Kuzmenko. I gotta be
honest with you. I think this is the thing that
is just fascinating by me, is is I was when Andre,

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Cause when I first heard this, Dan, I've thought, ah,
we'll get a late round pick for Andre Kuzmenko. I
wasn't expecting a froster fair well.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I think even two weeks ago, Kevin, you would have
had to pay somebody to take Kuzmenko.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, yeah, you would have to give up a pick
Dave in as a sweetener for sure. I think, you
know what wonderful per. I know he's got a smile,
I you know, and I think he him and Matt
pay Mitchkoff are going to be a good combination in
some ways. But I also think that this I think

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he needed some AHL work. I think that that. I
don't think he's any I think he's not NHL ready.
I don't think he understand. I don't think his hockey
IQ is at an NHL level. That's kind of where
I'm at with Cuzmenko.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think you're right. I think he
was you know, Vancouver tried this experiment and brought him in.
I don't think he's NHL ready as a full timer.
I think he needs some time either in the AHL
or you know, going back to Russia. I don't think
the Flames would have resigned him because I don't think
he's ready for that. So really, to me, I mean,
you know, you're giving up a let's call it, a
free asset to and ASCID that really hasn't been a

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lot good for the Flames. That's a free asset going
to Philly. You take that any time. But I don't
think that you will see Kuzmeko in the NHL next year.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
You know what was interesting is I was reading some
flyer stuff and apparently they were going to be they
were going to be in on Kuzmeko next year. They
were looking and bringing him in.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah. I mean, maybe they're looking at it, but I
think the biggest thing with him is going to be
the dollar value. Right he's making five million. He makes
nowhere near that next year. If you're willing to play
for a million bucks, sure we'll look at you. But
if he's gonna pay for a million bucks, I think
he'd rather go back to Russia.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, or it's a pto for.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Me, could be yeah, But I mean, you know, I
think he looked great when he was in Russia. He
played well over there. Like I think he'll probably be
a bigger start. Would you rather go over there and
be a first liner or stay here and be a
third liner? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Well, he likes to score goals, I just don't. I
don't think he likes the like when things were easy,
when the down the stretch here for the Flames last year,
he was he was scoring goals, but when it got tough,
it got tough for him. Yep. So I think that
that's the that's the challenge. Jacob Pelchi is interesting because

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I I think he will find out who he is
in Philadelphia. I think he took a lot of steps
during the season with the Flames. I think he will
take further steps. I think he is. I think he's
mid six at best forward, but I think he'll be
a pesty I wonder if at the end of the

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day we look I'll just compare him to Martin Pasmo
so for a second. I wonder if he becomes a
more effective Martin Pops or a more consistent Martin Postmo Saul.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
I don't think he has the great that Postitle does.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I'm wondering where I will get into a Postmo sool
in a moment.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
But I think that you know, we all like Peltier.
I mean, you know a lot of people I think
overvalue your team's first round picks, which he was. I
think he's great, But I think that the two guys
they got have higher upside than than than you'll ever
see with Peltier. And I also think that Peltier, if
he's if you're going to make some out of him,

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having him work with the drill sergeant that is Tortorella,
you'll really see what he's got.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
He kind of was more effective under was Setter than Husca,
though I would argue, so I wonder, do you think.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
That Tortorella will know his number? Because remember there was
thing with Daryl is who's that guy? What was his number?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yes, I think Torch will know his number. I do, yeah,
but ultimately app But you know what, in spite of
all that, Dan he played more under Sutter than he
did with Huska. His time was high and but he
you know, I don't think he's a like, he's not

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a I don't see him as a goalscorer, and I
that's kind of the woman that can I guess concerns me.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
But you know, I think he's too small to be
the the Mardy Postle like Pest, I.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Don't, but I also think he can be an intelligent
pest where I think with Postbo. So he's not all
when he was pesty pesky, and he hasn't really been
pesky the last little while, But when he was pesky,
he wasn't always intelligent about it. Pelcha can be smart
about it.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, I think he can too, But I just I
don't know that he's I don't know that he's got
that bill to be that full time. I think he's
of your your really fast fast movie number three, the
guy that could you know you don't want to send
in the corner to get the puck, which I think
you do with with Apostle. I think with Peltier's shoulders.
I don't know i'd want him in that you know

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position either until you know they're still one hundred percent.
But I think he's the guy that you know you
put in front of the net. He digs for the
Pockety's the guy that you're digging for rebounds. I think
there's a he's a great third line guy, but I
just don't know that his at this point. I don't
know those upsides much more than your kind of three
three wing.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's totally fair. I mean, ultimately the weapon
that flyers get here here is a tap space, right,
So that's a good thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I mean for this year, it's kind of a wash
because the Fairbee contract is the same as the Kusmengo contract,
but you get out of long term deal, and it's
been said that they want it out of that and
to free up some cap space long term because they
want to go big game hunting in the summer.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah. Yeah, so that's that part of it now. Of course,
the line combinations is an interesting conversation here. So last
night it was Cadri Huberdo, Ferraby, Backland, Coleman Coronado. You
had Morgan Frost between Prosposal and Sharon Govic, and then

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you had Bishop Lonberg and Clapka. Also, just as a
side note, I do think that the way that Adam
Klapka has is coming along helped solidify that. Jake allowed
you to trade Jacob Lja because he's got that. Yeah,
he's got some size and I think he's just willing

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to learn. I mean I think he's more effective at
what walker Doer was supposed to do than walker Deer was.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, now walker Doers in San Jose.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, yeah, which was Yeah, that's is kind of amazing,
but that's I mean, I guess everybody was surprised if
someone claimed him, but if you see something, you see something.
And San Jose doesn't have a lot of bodies.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
And the thing to remember with claiming the guy with
waivers is you have to keep them on your NHL
team because if you wave them again, they get options
back to their original teams. You can't just bring them
in and send them down. And he's playing on the
third line in San Jose, so you know, I think
he's with Delandria and Louke Kunan too. I'd say, you know,
decent NHL ers, So we'll see if they can make

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some out of them.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah. All the best to walker Doer. So I guess
we're in the pre Tsari phase of this. We expect
Connor Zeri will probably be back after the for Nations.
So let's start here. Are you do you want to
go with the Force centers Cadri back Loan Frost, Zari

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or do you want Zori on the or do you
want to go Zori and the wing with Mark and Frost.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I want to go with the four natural centers right now,
Kadri Backland, Frost, Rooney right, Okay, I think I think
having guys like Sharon Govic and Tsari that can jump
in at center is important. But I think either one
of them should be full time centers.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I I agree with you so kind of. I think
you go with I think I would go with a Frost, Tsari,
Sharon Govich line and then Rooney longber clap cut until
you can find it upgrade on that fourth line center,
which I do think. I think the Flames are exploring,
not other explore. I think the Flames are going to
explore that.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
I think if that's gonna come, it's gonna be by
salary attention. I think they'll take somebody's garbage and that'll
be your fourth line center.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think that that will be someone that will be
a little older too that I wouldn't be surprised if
that is an thirty, a thirty or over player for sure.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, I think you get someone's thirty two, thirty three
year old overpaid center. They just need to move out
to get some money in. You put that guy there,
and you know, you say goodbye him at the end
of the year.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, yeah, sort of a quiet rental.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Or even if he's got to be there next year,
that's fine. I mean you've got the money for it.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, a year, year and a half, it's not.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I think that there's something to be said about bringing
a veteran guy in with another year, as long as
you know you've got a center then yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Just on a side note, did you were you surprised
if Flames didn't claim Derek Ryme? No? I wasn't either,
but I could see why people thought it. But he's
thirty Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
He's thirty eight. I just I don't know he's We've
gone through this, like you know, it's come, it's gone,
and I just I don't know. He's been here, we've
seen what he has. I don't know that I would
do it again.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I like the one thing. I mean, I think the
Eilers still I still think the bottom six is a
weakness for the oilers, like that bottom six forward group
just I still think is a problem for the oilers.
And if you're not cracking that, I would be concerned
that that to me doesn't sit right. You know, the
one guy, I wonder if he ends up on waivers again.

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I think the Flames will jump on Cole Schwind well
if if he's put on waivers again, the Flames get
him automatically, because again he was cleaned by the Flames.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
So if he's put on waivers, he'd be optioned back
to the Flames first.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, but if that happens, Yeah, Brandon Sad just signed there,
so they're gonna need to move a forward out of
the Vegas lineup. So I could totally see it being schwinned.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, so and then I guess who
I guess the other part of this. Did you like
Cadri Huberto Farrabee together or were you would you try
something else or would you just keep with this and

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see how it goes, or would you make any changes?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Or I think it was fine. I mean I think
that really your first line right now should be Hubert
Ocadre Coronado. I think just because they know each other.
I still think that we should try Frost and Farabe
together and see what we get there. Like right now,
I'm kind of thinking you put Cornado on the first

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line with Hubert Okadre. You've got Backland Coleman, who I
don't want to break up. I don't know who you
put there. I don't think it's Faribe or Frost maybe possible,
I'm not sure. And then I would go Farabe Frost
Sharon Govich is a line. I think if you wait
till after the four Nations, you could do Coleman Backland

(26:58):
Tsari could do Frost Faarbee Sharon Govic, or it could
be Zari and Sharon Govic swapped. I think one would work.
And then you put Postle Lomberg Klapka on a line.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
And posts as the center.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
I would try one of the other guys at the
center there. But I think you don't take any of
those guys out of lineup, and that's the hard part,
Like somebody's got to come out of line up for
Zory to come back in.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I I I think it's time for post Masol to
have a seat. I just haven't. I just don't think
he's been as effect I don't think he's been effective.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I think he's I think they've been playing him too
high in the lineup, like he was on the first
line for a while. I don't think that's where he is,
and I think that's why he's not effective.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I think he's a b I think right now he's
a I would like to see him on the fourth line.
I think when Zari gets back, so I think that happens.
But I just haven't seen the bite for him for
most of the year. Uh, he's he's did he go? Okay,
let's look back. He scored against Washington? Right, was it
Washington or Anaheim?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
He scored I one on the two. I'd have to
go back and look.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
But it's that was the first goal in a while.
I just don't think he's been really effective. And I
know that everybody has been on Sharon Govich, but I
think Sharon Govitch has shown more of an effort than Postbosoul,
Like I don't feel like it was playing. I think
I don't see possible soil going into the corners along

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the boards, much like I just don't see an effective.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Guy right now for what Yeah again, I think that
to me, they're trying to get Possible to do things
he's not. And I think putting him on a fourth line,
even if you had to take clap out having to
say possible Lomberg Rooney, I think you can get Postle
back to what Pospool is.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah. I like the idea of Lomberg and possible soul
together because I think that they can. I think they
would work very well together.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
And while we didn't like Postle at center, I think
at limited fourth line minutes, he could be a centervenium too.
I think that any of those guys could be in
limited fourth line minutes. I think that Lomberg is the
best hockey player of all of them, as weird as
that is to say, I'd probably put him there.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah you do. You're convincing me. What you're what you're
telling me, Dan is they need to find another fourth,
another center.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I mean, I'd be fine keeping Rooney there too, but
somebody's got to come out. Yeah, right, and if you okay,
So if you take Postl out, then that's fine. That
makes it easy, and then Klapka, Lomberg, Rooney stays your
fourth line. I guess that works. But I don't know.
They want to take Possel on the line up. I
think he's a young guy that they see a future
with and they want to keep him in the lineup to,

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you know, build him. So soon's take him out of lineup.
I wonder what then, what triggers him to go back
into the lineup.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, there's got to be a sense of competition though too, right,
and that's we're kind of excuse me, that's kind of
where I'm at with that.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
And remember the Clark Bishop is still the on the
roster too, So I mean you could send Bishop back down,
which I think you will and maybe yeah, you have
Apostle and Klapkat just rotated as you're thirteen.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Do you bring back Ray Karen's.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
No, not right now. I think we tried Karen's. I
think he looked good. I think right now, and you
and I have talked about this. The Wranglers need to
be ready for a run, and they're without two of
their top centers now, with Karen's and Bishops. So I
think you know Karen is right where he needs to be,
needs to go down for the run. I think they
need to send Bishop back down as soon as they

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can too.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, I don't think Bishop is ready for the NHL.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
No, but I don't think he ever will be. I
think this is exactly what he is, right, he's your
platoon guy when you need some help. Yeah, and you know,
I would not be surprised if we see Kevin Rooney
join them. If the Flames can bring in another centerman.
I think Kevin Rooney will be on his way down
as well.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah. By the way, it's just on the wrangler's note here,
all the best to the head coach who has gone
through some Joe Cirella is also taking a little bit
of a medical lead I read, and Brett Sutter is
taking over to coach the team for a little while here,
So all the best to him.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean, this is crazy. They're gonna have three
head coaches in one year.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
I know. And then you got Trent Call up in
Calgary because Brad Larson is still on family.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Leave, you know, And I wonder, and I mean, you know,
Trent cull is the more experienced coach. Brett Sutter has
never been really a coach before. Like, at what point
do you have to send Trent back down and say, hey,
we need a head coach there. And there's enough unemployed
head coaches that I'm sure you could bring somebody in
this quote unquote an associate coach for the rest of
the year to fill in for Caul and the NHL.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
The I think what happens is after the four and eight,
when the four Nations break happens. I think Call goes
back to the Wranglers.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
For yeah, he has to like Sutter, just doesn't. I mean,
if you want to bring in you know, old man Sutter,
any of them, sure, because they know what they're doing.
But I just don't think that you know, Brent Sutter
he had or Brett Sutter sorry hasn't been around the
league long enough. You want to bring in Brent fine,
Darryl Fine, you know, someone who knows what they're doing,
but you don't want to make your your head coach

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a first year coach. And I think that Trent needs
to go back down because I mean, if they want
to bring in Darryl or somebody, or you know, any
unemployed coach, I know where Mike Yeoh is just a name.
I'm thrown out there an old head coach.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Travis Green staff in autumn.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Okay, So you know, if you find some guy like
that who just you know, he's hanging around and he's
good for a year, why not.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair, but I mean it's it is
kind of chaotic, and considering all that, the Wranglers continue
to do very well. So we also, I guess should
touch on you touched on it on your podcast last week.
We haven't had a chance to talk about it, but
it's ridiculous to me. I guess Kevin Ball is not

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the star player we need to protect down because clearly
that was a very dirty hit by Jeremy Locko and
that should have been a suspension in my opinion. But
and Kevin Ball is out with an upper body slash
probable concussion. By the way, I think the Flames, I
think the Flames miss him. His length, his skating, like

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Joehnley has been very solid, but Joehnlee is not Kevin Ball.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Unfortunately, Hanley made a lot of mistakes I thought against Detroit.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, it was kind of yeah, I him and Anderson
were not on the same page.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Knows, and I mean really, I think it takes the
Flames from I mean three bona financial defenseman to two.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah. Yeah, although I thought Tyson Barry looked pretty good.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Overall, Barry's good, but Barry's still bottom six. Yeah, you know,
I don't think Merimnov's top six. They want him to.
I think Pacall could be, but isn't there yet. Like
I think it's it almost sounds like a law firm
at this point. It's Anderson Wiger in company.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
I think Brandy Pahall is an NHL defenseman, He's not
a top four NHL defenseman.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, so I would say it's Anderson Wiger Pacoll in company.
But it's as interesting as we record this before the
Seattle game, it's Merrimana in for Barry, Brune in for
Bishop and Dan Vladar is in for Dustin Wolf. And
I have been a defender dan Vladar again, I have,

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but he hasn't won in a month, and I think
this is a must win game for him, Like it's like,
you got to get these whims here at some point, Like, yes,
he's he's been at the back end of these back
to backs, he's played all of them. But he's got
to get a win, and this is a winnable game
in Seattle. It is.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, And you know, I think I agree with you,
but I think that the flames with you know, not
having a lot of defense right now. I think that
it's going to be tougher for him to win this
one than maybe you know it should be. And I
think that a lot of that pressure is going to
be put on the goaltender, for better or for worse.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, he's got a stealing game.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, and you know, I mean he needs to. But
I think right now, even if you don't get the
win in that one, I mean, you know, let's be honest,
Dustin Wolf didn't get the win last night either against Detroit.
Like you can't always blame it on the goaltender, right,
And I think that right now, with the Flames not
having defense, I think you've got to look at the
whole team and say, you know what, they've just got
to get through this. And let's remember again, this is

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not a defense that was designed to go to the playoffs, right,
So I think you're you're getting exactly what you put
out there out of this defense.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, that's fair, But at the same time, that's some
like I've given Floidar the benefit of the doubt, Like
you do need your you do need two goalies, and
I think that like, if it's at some point here
Blenar has to show something, That's where where I'm kind

(36:14):
of at because you got what you got three more
games this week, You've got Toronto on Tuesday, You've got
the Avalanche on Thursday, and I think you've got the
Kraken in coming in next week next Saturday. I'm assuming
you're playing Dustin Wolf Toronto. I'm assuming you're playing Dustin

(36:34):
Wolf Colorado. I maybe you get one more start with
Filodaar against Seattle on Saturday, but this is probably his
last shot with the Flames before the Four Nations, right, Yeah,
And this is probably the time that I would think
that if you're going to trade Dan Volodaar, it's between

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between February twelfth and March seventh, it's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Do you think he gets traded?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
What is he done to stick around?

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Like, that's my counteract, But I think the counter argument
with another GM what has he done to make me
want to acquire him? Yeah, you know, like I can
see a team taking a shot at him in the
off season, but what has he done to want me
to give up an asset for him?

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Like, I think the problem that the here we are
with the Wranglers issue on this is I don't think
that you should call up Devin Cooley because you need him, right,
you need him with the Wranglers. But at the same time,
I think that there's a legitimate argument that Devin Cooley
deserves a shot in the NHL. Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, I think you're right, But does that shot out
to be this year. No, I mean you could easily
call Cooley up on it. You could easily call COOLi
up on a day the Wranglers not playing.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, you could do with Sea Loss. You could do
what the Cannucks have been doing with Sea Loss, kind
of transferring him to from Vancouver to Abbots for an
not a bus like just paper transaction. We could do that.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah. I mean, you know, if I look here at
the schedules, even for the you know, for the next month,
there's some games here when you know there's a couple
of days when okay, the Wranglers playing the floor or
the Flames are not and vice versa. Like, you could
bring them up for a game and suit you've got.
But right now, why not just keep Flodar as your backup?

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Well, I guess the other option would be you find
another veteran backup.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
That is not Vloodar, And I think if you really
wanted to, you could probably take one in a deal.
But like I do, only there's a problem you have
to solve now. Vlodar is a UFA at the end
of the year, I would just keep them. I mean,
I don't think you're gonna get much more in a
fifth form or even a fourth at this point, like
keep them and you know, deal with in the off season. Yeah,

(39:04):
Like if I'm another GM, if I I thought Colorado
could have been in on him because they need goalies,
they've solved that problem. When I look around the league
right now, I don't see a team that's gonna say,
you know what, this guy's look terrible, but we still
need a goalie bad enough. Well I wouldn't say terrible,
but worse than our guys. But we think our guys
are so bad we need that upgrade.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I think to me, Ladar's looking like a backup goaltender,
like you know, and that's what he is for this team,
So I don't see the urgent need to get him
out of town.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah. I just think you need wins from your backup though.
That's the and he hasn't provided that part of it.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
But how many how many? Let's be honest, Calgary is
a rebuilding team. Show me a rebuilding team that's getting
a lot of wins from their backups.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Probably none. But at the same time, you're now at
the point where I think you're going to be playing
Dustin Wolf. Seventy five percent of the time, he can't
win all of these games.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I mean, like, but does he need to win all
these games?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Not necessarily, but but you do like the one like here,
here's the the kind of the struggle here is is
I don't know if you want to It's gonna be
interesting to see what happens after the Four Nations with

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dust and Wolf, because I mean, the games are gonna
get a little bit more intense. And I'm not saying
that Dustin Wolf's not going to respond to it, but
I do think that there's gonna be a learning curve
for him and I so I do think, like all
I'm saying is they need they need a little more
from void Are to support Dustin Wolf. That they if

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they need to give Wolf a little bit of a break,
which is entirely possible because he's a first year goal
he's a first year full time goalie. They if they
can get a couple of found money wins from Dan Volodar,
I think it helps him in the long run.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Sure, sure, I don't disagree, but I don't know that
moving them out solves that problem.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Not unless you get something on somebody else.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Back in No, and again, who are you going like
if it's not Cooley, which I agree, I don't think
it should be. Who is it.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I'll have to examine that situation further, right.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
But Vidik Vanachek is the backup in UH for the
Sharks this year fourteen games played, three wins, zero shut
zero s os and an eight and an eight eight
five say percentage for Vladar twenty one game, six wins,
two shutouts and three point one two JA eight point
eighty six GAA or sorry, eight point eighty six save

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percent So I mean he's doing better than let's say,
other rebuilding backups. Fair you know, and so you know,
And I think what you're talking about two Kevin depends
on again, what we think these Flames are. If the
Flames are gonna run for the Cup, sure I think
that they, or even for the first round of the playoffs, sure,

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then they need a better backup. If the team needs
to give Wolf a rest and they put Valadari in
and they fall short, is that a failure?

Speaker 1 (42:16):
No?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
In the why upgrade, I.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Just do you recent you upgrade? Is because at some
point do you end up losing confidence and playing Voidar
and then you end up overplaying Wolf.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
That's the one I think if you lose that much confidence, sneak,
send Voidar down and bring COOLi up. Okay, that's what
I would say. Like, I'm looking around at other options.
I don't know what other options you know you would
get from another team that would be better than Vladar.

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Is there a certain name you're thinking of?

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Not off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I mean I'm kind of looking at third you know,
third goaltenders for other teams that might want foot are
and so I'm kind of looking at like playoff teams,
if you will, right, guys that might say, okay, we
need another guy for the playoffs. Let's just look at
say the top five teams here. So Washington's three goalies.
Do you think it's fair to say you're probably not
getting ancel goali. You're probably in some EASYHL goalie, well

(43:33):
you or ahel goalie.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
I think. I mean, the only guy that pops in
my head is if if if Lenis Olmark comes back
in Ontawise, mirrorm Island, mirror my island there, because you're
going to Olmark Forsburg. But maybe that guy.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Maybe, but I think there'd be another I don't I mean,
does he have to clear waivers. I don't think he does, no,
but just send them down like, I don't know Ottawa
would want to move that asset.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
No, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
So if I look at, say the extra goaltenders in Washington,
Charlie Lindgren and Logan Thompson. Logan Thompson's got four more
years than almost six million, I'm not touching that. So
Charlie Lindgren at thirty one, is that a better option?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
It's probably too expensive for what you're looking for. That's
probably you're this is I guess the conclusion of this.
It would be you're upgrading the backup position in the offseason. Yeah,
you're probably not bringing back Bloodar, but I'm just kind
of hoping Vloodar can steal a win or two down

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the stretch here to help me.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
I think if the Flames wanted to upgrade that position
and they're willing to pay for it, they would have
grabbed Grubauer.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah maybe right.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
I mean, he's got three years left, so he's expensive.
But I think that would have been the logical upgrade
and then find a way to package him out of
town later or send him down to the farm. You
got the money to do it, that's where he's gonna
be now. But I just I don't see the Flames
expending an asset because I don't think you're gonna be
able to trade Latar one for one with somebody. So

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I don't see the Flames expanding an asset to upgrade
their backup position in a year that they're rebuilding.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, I mean they don't need like, that's an area
they don't need to overspend on either.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
No, but if somebody wants if somebody is willing to
take Vadar, if somebody calls you and says we like
Dan Vadar, we want to take him, or somebody gets
an injury, I still think there's some value in Vodar
if somebody wants him. But if you're out shopping him around,
I don't think you get much for him.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, I think my frustration for just just because I
distilled the I don't think Flodar has been bad. I
thought he was bad. Hegain's Winnipeg. I thought that was
a game that they should have won.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
And that's fair. But I think that again, to me,
how often do we say that about any team's backups, Vancouver's,
Calgary's anybody's like, you know, backups are backups for a reason,
and I think often they are you know, it is
a bit of a liability in a way when you
put them in.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, all right, Uh, let's say one other thing I
wanted to chat about here is a report from Elliott
Friedman that Rasmus Anderson, Nazen Cadri, and Mackenzie Weeger are
not available for trade right now. First of all, that

(46:39):
does that doesn't surprise me either, I don't think I
think everyone was expecting that, and I think that's a
good sign that Rasmus at this point is on the
direction to signing up a contract with the Flames and
a contract extension of the Flames when they can start
that in July first. But I think ultimately the conclusion

(47:00):
that we can come with all of this is I
still think the plan is the plan. Like I don't
think that they've deviated from anything. This is still a
rebuilding team, like you, even if with Morgan Frost, this
is not a great group of centers, even with Joe Ferraby,
it's not a great group of forwards. They still need
to improve and draft and all of that, and they

(47:22):
still need work on a number of different areas. I
don't think, and I think even Craig Conroy would Kevin
bet I don't know if you saw the first intermission
last night, Dan, with Kevin Biaxis said is Destin wal
for your next Meeka Kippers off? And Conroy said he's
on his way, but he didn't say yes. I think
that this team is intelligent enough to know exactly where

(47:43):
they're at. And I don't think that even I don't
think that they're going to be fooling themselves, even with
a playoff getting into the playoffs, that this team is better.
This is not the twenty twenty Montreal Canadians, or they
fooled themselves into believing that they were a better team
than they were.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
And no, I agree with you, and I only there's
many other trades in the Fairbee Frost mold you can
make right now. No, you're where you're trading somebody and
still helping yourself mid season.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, I think that. I think that they will be
looking for another impact forward in the off season, and
I think that they will probably try to do that,
more likely through trade than free agency. And I'll toss
this out here, Dan, I do would not be surprised

(48:34):
if they consider an offer sheet, they will be that.
I have to again, let me examine that in the future,
because that just went into my brain. But I think
there might be some options.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Out there, maybe, I mean for the number of Yeah,
I guess depends who you're looking at. But yeah, I
don't know. I'm not sure it'd be worth it. I'm
just looking at a report here from Sportsnet with who
they think of the top twelve barfas. So one of
them is Evan Bouchard, No, Noah Dobson, Yes, I would

(49:14):
consider it. Wyatt Johnson A hundred would consider it. Luke Hughes, yes,
JJ Petorca maybe, Fabian Zetterlund Yes, Mason McTavish yes, ca.

(49:37):
Andre Miller. He's not gonna make it, but he's in
the list.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Why you think the Rangers. Did the Rangers extend him?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I think he only they get extended or traded fair.
Matthew Nyes.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
All the least better signed him if Devon. If if
the Least don't extend nice, Devon's is gonna lose it.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Lucas Dostel, No, because you got dust wolf Right and
Marco ROSSI I think I think they could offersheet these guys.
My only thing is I don't think you're gonna find
another situation like Edmonton last year where you're gonna offshoot
somebody of fair value and the team can't afford to

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match it. And I don't want the Flames overpaying for
these guys. So while they might offer sheet them, I'm
not sure who you'd off sheet that you wouldn't get
a match for.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I think all those names there, the teams would probably
match them.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah. I think. I still think the Flames need to
be intelligent about what they're doing, and even with the
cap going up, but they don't need to overspend on anything.
I still think you should stick I think they need
to stick to the plan.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah. And I think you're gonna want a good portion
of your kind of cap increase to eventually go to Wolf,
Like you know you're gonna have to budget for a
big increase for Wolf in the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
You have to pay Zerry, Coronado and Wolf yep.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah, And if you and if you want Anderson to
stick around, you're gonna have to give him a raise too.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yep. So those four guys you need to pay already
before you.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Froster are probably gonna be paying a big raise to him,
and he's making two point one, you'll probably double that
in the next contract.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
As much as the cap is going up, it is
it's a can fill your bucket really quickly.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
It sure can. Yeah, And I think a lot of
teams will say, oh, we've got the money now, will
give so and so more money, and then they're gonna,
you know, regret it later on.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
And I also think that it's you have to be
intelligent enough to not over over reach these players and
give him Like I'm just not a fan of eight
year contracts overall. I think that that is that's the past.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Agree. But Connor he has already said he's not gonna
do that.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, like even even a Josh Norris or Dylan Cousins.
And that's why sort of my hesitation with the Flames
getting in on Dylan Cousins is I think he's a
talented guy, but you've got him for six years, and
is that is that the guy you want to have
your your hat stuck for six years? Even with Petterson, right,

(52:18):
I understand that there's Flame fans that want Peterson.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
I think that by the time the Flames rebuild is done,
which I think will be less than six years. By
the time they're competitive again, you would be regretting that deal.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah, Like I just you still need to be you
still need to be smart about it.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
You do. So, I mean, okay, let's look at contracts
that are expiring then, I mean, you know, assuming that
these deals need to be done in the next couple
of years. Backland's up at the end of next year.
Do you think he comes back and gets a raise.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
I think I think that they're going to try to
encourage Michael Backland to be part of the front office
of the Flames.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
So you think he retires at that point? Yeah, okay,
So then you've got four and a half.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Actually happened, is okay? I could see back Let's saying, okay,
if you want me back to the front office, you
Google trade me somewhere where I can get a cop.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yeah. And I think fans to be totally okay with that.
The Jerome Aginla move.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, Frost.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Let's say Frost about four million? Is that reasonable?

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Loamberg's up at the end of next year. Does he
get a raise?

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Well, he yes, I would give them a little bit
of a raise.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I don't think Lomberg gets anywhere near two million anywhere else.
I think even if you offer him the same deal,
you'd take it.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah. I think this is also a guy that I
could see sticking around the organization for a long time
in other capacities.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah, I agree, And I think, you know, you just
kind of offer what you need to to keep him
around because he wants to be here. Yeah, Kevin Rooney,
does he come back at one three, which is what
he's making now, and then Marty postills up at the
end of next year, he's making a million. I'd say
even if you double that for him, you're doing Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I could see possible sill being a trade show too.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I could Yeah, Cornatto making less than a million, I
think you're gonna have to offer him about five million. Yeah, sorry,
probably in the same range Klapka right now, seven hundred thousand.
He's an RFA. At the end of this year, I
think he'll go up to at least a million. Yeah,

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and then next year you've got Anderson at four or five.
I mean that'll probably have to jump to seven or
eight to keep him around, So that'll be a big jump.
H Bradon pacall less and set less than one less
than one point two million. Now I think that he's
on a two year Oh no, he's on a three
year now, so he'll be fine. I think you're gonna

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need to pay Kevin Ball quite a bit more. He's
at one point zero, yeah, and then Dan Vodar is
two point two. I don't think you're going to be
higher than that. Dustin wolfs at eight hundred thousand, Like,
I think you've got some players here that you're gonna
be sucking up quite a bit of money to to resign. Yeah,
you know, so while the Flames have that space, I

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don't want them to go out and even bring in,
you know, a big money for more than a year
or two. That would hamper some of those deals.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Let me ask you one other question, just as a
just as a theorist. Could you see is there now
a world with Jonathan huberdot Plane the way he is?
Is there now a world that you could see him
being traded?

Speaker 2 (55:31):
No, just because the length of that.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Deal, Yeah, they have, they would have to eat.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
And to me, like, I don't know any team that
would want to even take that at half for you
know the length of it.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
If he was in another If he was a JT.
Miller type, I could see it, but I don't see
that with a Huberto.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
And also had one good year. Like if I was
going to make that deal, i'd say, only can do
it again next year?

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Right, he's thirty one. You've got that deal signed through.
What is it, thirty thirty one? Like, you know, you've
got him signed almost so he's forty even at five
point five, I wouldn't want to take that on as
a GM. I'm gonna let Calgary get stuck with that.
Maybe i'd take him his last year, but I don't
think that anyone's gonna say even at five to five,
I couldn't do better.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
That's true, But I do think at least the way
that he's played it, think that it moved a bit
more this way to the possibility than it is. It's
still tough.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
To do, I agree. Yeah, And also if you move
that deal out, how are you going to meet salary
flooring Calgary?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Yeah? Yeah, So ultimately I think the Flame I do
agree with you, the Flames need to prioritize, But I
mean I think that that allows them to intelligently upgrade
this this team.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I agree. Yeah, And I think that you've got to
get bringing these guys you have in first and what
that's gonna cost before you go out, and you know,
look at bringing in outside pieces. And remember the Kirklan
will be back next year too, Like I think he
will get a long look at the NHL. So there's
another guy that's gonna probably be on your NHL roster.
Like you know, you've got to be very cautious bringing

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in another at least a forward. I think they can
definitely bring in a defenseman or two, but then they've
got to be very cautious bringing another forward because who
are you going to displace?

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yeah, and then there's the Anthony MANTHI quick question.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Let me put this out there. If you want to
sign a forward like Mantha next year, that kind of
guy gonna show me one year. What do you think
the likelhood is that Taylor Hall would come home for
a year and show me a uh sign to show
me contract.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I think he show me is this playoff run in Carolina?

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah, I think you're right, And if it doesn't turn out,
I could totally see that being a guy who would
call the Flames say I'm willing to come in. I'm
from Calgary. I'm willing to come in, you know, on
a cheaper deal.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yeah, just on that kids, can I we we again,
we just missed this. This is a this is so
interesting trade that ranked the whole Ranton in Hall knee
Cass situation. And I heard Matt's argument for the Chicago part.

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I understand where he's coming from in terms of Chicago,
but I still think a third round pick was too low.
I still would have considered a second like it doesn't like.
I still thought that was a little low. And I
understand that you're trying to move, You're trying to set
yourself up for something, which is fine, but third seemed

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a little low. The other thing is, is I just
listening to Colorado.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Dan It kind of reminds me the third in which deal.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
The Chicago got back to retain the fifty percent for
rant in it.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Yeah, and I'm sure they wanted a second and you know,
maybe they were told, you know what, we'll get someone
else to do it, Like you know, there's other players
that could have been put in there.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
But I mean, for all we know, they could have
called Calgary and said, hey, would you guys retain it,
we would take you know, KU's make over doing it.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
And they obviously had some other things in mind.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Well, I don't know if Calgary did with kuz Manco
at the time, but I wouldn't be surprised if there
was a couple of different brokers that It's like, who's
going to give us the cheapest brokerage here?

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I also think that you know you're taking on I mean,
you know, Hall is not cheap. So while you're you know,
while you're retaining, you're still giving up a decent player
who's got you know, decent term to him too. Like
it's not just the third.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, I know, I think that from Chicago's perspective, I
would have tried to fight for that second a lot
hart I would have fought for the second.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
And we don't know they didn't.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah, that's fair, That's totally fair. But from the Colorado side,
doesn't this feel a little bit like Matthew Kuchuk Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
But I think being in season it's even more impactful
for them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Like that was a just it's like, I really like
Martin Niecass. Don't get me wrong. I think I think
both teams came out really well on this, but I
also just felt like the gut punch come out of Colorado,
which I thought was really interesting and it is. I
think that that four Nations break is gonna have to
be some reset because that was that felt like Matthew

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Kulchuk leaving Calgary.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I was surprised this got done. I mean, I understand
that they you know that they couldn't resign them, but
I was surprised he got done this early. I thought
this would be a deadline move, if not an offseason move.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Well, he's a UFA, right, so you would have had
to have if you weren't going to sign him, if
you if you knew you weren't going to sign him.
But apparently he said that he would have taken lesson McKinnon.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, well that and that's that's why I'm not sure,
Like I think there's something else going on here that
we have been seen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Yeah, yeah, I yeah, I think there's still another domino
to fall in Colorado. But it did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
It was a gut punch, and it makes me wonder
who else might ask to get out or who might
not want to go to Colorado because of it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Yeah, that's that will be a fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Like again, I think that I think there's something behind
the scenes Kevin that we're not that we're not aware
of for this to have happened this early, you know,
if he if he isn't indeed willing to take less,
I think that there's sort of like we all know
what went on in Vancouver, I think there might be
something going on behind the scenes we just didn't hear
about or see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Yeah, well, speaking of Vancouver, let's go there. It has
been a very dramatic year in Vancouver with the whole GT.
Miller alias Petterson, that Elias Petterson situation, and I finally
did resolve with J. T. Miller being traded, which was

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originally the idea. Apparently when he was supposed to be
scratched from the Oilers game a couple of weeks ago,
the report was a J. T. Miller was on his
way to the Rangers, and then with the whole Miko
Ranton in trade, there was talk that J. T. Miller
and Elias Peterson were and Vancouver was in and on
that situation, but it turned out last Friday that J. T.

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Miller ended up in New York. He goes with Eric
Branstrom in an unsigned Jackson Dorrington for Philip Heatel, Victor
Mancini and a first round pick conditional first round pick
for the Rangers. Now the canucktions then take that first
round pick from the Rangers and do the Philip Ronnock
They trade him. They trade that first round pick, along

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with Vincent Deharna and Danton Heinen to Pittsburgh. They get
Drew O'Connor, and they also trade Melvin first from which
was their first pick in twenty twenty four, but a
third round pick for Drew O'Connor and Marcus Petterson. So
I've not received any word yet of when the Canucks

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are changing Vancouver's changing your name to the Pettersons yet,
no word on that, Dan, not yet. So now you've
got it's a that's a significant shake up in Vancouver
without question, which maybe the opposite of Colorado. It might

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provide some actual relief to the team that has been
dealing with this tension all along with Miller and Peterson.
Let me, let's let's kind of pointing at this for
two different directions here, What did you overall think of
the move?

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Like both together?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Yeah, like, oh, combine everything?

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I think. I don't think Vancouver got equal in return.
But and then they were going to asking a team
to take on that long JT. Miller deal. I knew
that Vancouver would have to pay to do that essentially,
and they did, and I mean, Miller's gone. I like Cheatle.
I think that's a good piece to get back. The
conditional first, I think is good. I mean, I don't

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know how high it'll be, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
It feels protected pick from the Rangers that if they
don't use it this year, it's an unreprotected pick next year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Yeah. And then a pick went back to went back
to the Penguins, right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
That was the that's the the Rangers pick went to
the Penguins.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
I see, Okay, So, like you know, I like Cheatle,
but it just felt like kind of everything else that
came back was just filling holes. Like Vincent d'arnay, you know,
Dan and Heinez. These are guys have been around the
league for a while and they're just kind of, you know,
middle lineup guys.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yeah, but if it's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
But if it's what you feel you need to do,
and if he was as disruptive as some people are
making it sound like he is, then I guess, you know,
that's fine, move him out good and hopefully you can
move on without him. I look at it sort of
like the Calgary deal, sort of like you were saying
with sort of like you were saying with Kachuk. But
I think that almost like Calgary did last year with
their disruptive pieces, get him out of there and the

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whole team be better for it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Yeah, build the team like with Calgary doing the idea,
the idea was. The idea was was you want to
be here. We want players to be here. If you
don't want to be here, we have to move out.
All the best to you, good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Luck pretty much. And yes, we might lose an on
ice piece that's useful, but we're going to have a better,
more cohesive locker room because of it. So you know,
I think that they're willing to kind of take that
hit and you know kind of go, Okay, you know,
we lost a piece, but we're going to be a
better team because of it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Yeah. Now, just from my perspective, the two key pieces
in this deal isn't necessarily the pieces that they acquired.
It's they get the play from Peterson that they are
expecting to him. Get back to that point per game

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pace that he was he has he was on before,
and then his game comes back and that salary cap
room helps them as well, right, and that allows them
to do some other things. And they still have the
decision to make with Brockbesser, and I think the decision.
I'm getting the sense that the decision is that they're
going to move on from Brockbester. So I wouldn't be

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surprised if that's a trade that happens before the deadline.
So you're kind of in a bit of a reshape here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Reshape they are going to move on from Besser by
the deadline?

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Well, I yeah, I think, Look, I think he wants
I think he's gonna want in a lengthier deal than
the Connects are willing to give him. I think if
if he wanted a two to three year deal, I think, yeah,
you could probably discuss it. But I think he wants eight.
And maybe there's a part of me that would just

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kind of half wonders if probably a change of scenery
is Brock probably needs a change the scenery just because
of everything that has happened here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Do you think that losing both Miller and best Are
in one season will We'll keep them out of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Well, this is it's coming down to not just.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
This year, but I think that they had a great
rebuilding year last year. Do you think this maybe I
should say this way. Do you think this steps them
backwards in their progress?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
I'm not sure. And here's why I'm not sure. You
still have Quinn Hughes, who is playing at any unbelievable.
He's in an MVP conversation this year. If they can
get Thatcher Demco back to Thatcher Demko, ways, their goaltending
is good enough that they are a playoff team and
could still cause some and I mean there's a lot

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of WinFS hero. If you can get pd back, you
can get Demco back, You're still a pretty good team
that I would argue is still better than Calgary in LA. Overall,
even with the flames moves of frost therapy, I still
would put the Canucks ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Of even I guess you will get something for for
best or two.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
It's not you're just subtracting, no exactly. You'll you'll get
a first round pick, you'll get a prospect, You'll get
something that you could use if they don't make the playoffs.
This I mean they don't make the playoffs. This I mean,
I think the one that becomes a little bit more
interesting depending on what how well Peterson plays, because if

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he doesn't get back to where they need him to be,
they've got to July first too, because his no move
kicks in on July first, So you have to make
the decision of what whether you keep him or not,
and that's that becomes a fascinating question. And there's some
people here that are wondering about, you know, what do

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you do? How do you appease Quinn Hughes at this point,
because you've got two more years with him? Does he
want to stick around after all of this? Which I
think is a far, far too early of a conversation
to have it point.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know as much about what's
going on on that team behind the scenes as you
probably do because you guys watch them far closer. But yeah,
I agree with you. I think it's too it's too
early to look at that. And I wonder too if
sort of like we saw in Calgary, it was almost
it was reported there was two camps now that Miller's gone,
Is it just was it just Miller versus Peterson or

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was there a Miller camp and other guys They're also
going to be kind of upset now and are you
gonna have to move more names out?

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
I think from what I'm gathering to under this is
kind of my this is my working theory. Something happened
in November that forced Miller to take a leave. I
think that. I think everybody in this organization has been
absolutely exhausted with the situation and I think it just

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came to a head this year and it was unattenable
to the point that they had to move on from
one and the other and they had to they had
to take the short term pain for the long term game. Now,
I feel Stile is able to play well. I think

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that's a great addition. The concern is he's had unfortunately,
he's had I think four concussions. Unfortunately, so I hope
because I mean, nobody wants the concussion situation. Nobody wants
like that is. It's brutal for whatever hockey player it is, right,
So you know, just from.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
It, I mean, I like him as a player when
he's healthy, but yeah, I worry about his long term durability.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Yeah, And Marcus Patterson I think will be a good.
They've improved the blue line, they need to upgrade the forwards.
That's kind of where I'm at on that. Yeah, but
I guess the let's now take this from the Flames angle.
What does it mean for the Flames? Do you think
that this impacts the Flames in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Any way Vancouver the Miller what the Miller shake up
here this year or long term or both both? Long term?
I don't think it does. I mean, you know, again,
I think the Flames, for better for worse, depending on
what fans want, are still rebuilding. I don't think that
you really look at other teams and how that's going

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to affect you. Yet you just worry about you at
this point this year. I think that it could potentially
make Vancouver take a step back in the standings if
they can't find somebody, especially if Besser goes as well.
For futures, If those two guys together are moving, I
think that it could the Flames might have one less

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team chasing them as closely. Yeah, or again, I mean
the Flames could take a step backwards as well, which
we've talked about, you know, if you've got to play
litar more like. I think it depends on how you
look at it. If you're looking at yes, the Flames
might have one less team chase them for the playoffs. Great,
but it might also mean that Calgary Vancouver are racing

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for the bottom you know ten as well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Yeah, that's entirely possible. And Saint Louis has kind of
fallen off here, but you toss kind of. I mean
Utah and Saint Louis are going to be interesting. Is
like just I was the one that believed that Utah
or Saint Louis would be grabbing that last spot and
I've been proven completely and astoundingly wrong because they've lost
four in a row. But they could get back into

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this and Utah could hang in as you're hanging around too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
So like right now, I don't think the Flames should
worry about anybody else and what anybody does. Just worry
about yourself, worry about your rebuild. If you make it great,
if you don't, that's fine too. But you know, I
don't really know right now. It's not like you know,
they're fighting for points they need to be in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
No, they don't need to get into the playoffs, they
really don't. But I also think the chase can help
the team with especially with the young players learn what
it takes to win.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I don't disagree. I mean, if they get in or
they're chasing, great, I think it's a great learning experience.
But you know, I don't think they should worry about
where Vancouver's at or react to it in any way
or any other team. I mean, you know, I think
Vancouver faltering probably helps Calgary in the division, but you know,
if it doesn't, it's not a big deal either. That
makes sense, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Mean in terms of I would rather be, like in
terms of rebuilding, I would rather be in this situation
than a bottom five team because I just think it.
I think it just helps the team of morale overall.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
I think it helps the moral I think it makes,
you know, doing deals like the Frost deal more enticing
for a player to come in. And I think going
in the offseason that's gonna you know, you've got guys
like Cadre who probably aren't asking out because of it. Like,
I think it makes it easier to retain players when
you're not in that bottom five. All the names you
mentioned that Friedman said aren't out of here. I think

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it could be a different discussion if the Flames are
in the bottom five.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Yeah, I mean I think it's probably a there's probably a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Sale, yeah, or at least guys who want out. I mean,
whether out of here this year or not is another story.
None of them are you know, UFA's at this point,
so you might not rush to get them out of here,
and then there might be more guys saying, hey, Connie,
I want out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Yeah. Yeah, but they're in a playoff. They're in the
playoff battle as we head into the final week of
the Foreign Nations. So, whether people like it or not,
that's where they're at. So and I think full credit
for everybody for putting in the battle to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Yeah. I mean, you know, the Flames are where they
are because of where they're they're at, right, I mean,
they're they're right where they they are because they've worked hard.
Whether they get in or not, we'll see, you know.
I don't know how that's gonna turn out for them.
We will find out. But you know, I'm okay with maybe.
What I'm trying to say is I'm okay with whatever
happens as long as the Flames stay the course, which
I think they will in terms of assets.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Yeah, I think the direction of the team is more
important than making the playoffs for sure. Yeah, anything else
we need to discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
I mean, I'm still waiting for somebody to explain to
me how the Foreign Nations is best on best without
a Vechkin, Malkin, Koutrov, Panarin, dry Cydlin, Passernak.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
There, you can't. I can't explain that to you. But
I think that well. I think one of the things
that happened is they did say that they will be
moving on in the next tournament without the double ihop,
So I could see them bringing an as semblance of

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Russia next time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Likes and I guess ime going back to the under
twenty five teams and stuff like that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
I think it's more likely they find a way they
bring I think it's more likely that they do the
dry sidle koutra Off those guys find a way for
them than the under twenty five gimmick.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
But but you also can't have a five team tournament.
Like the answer to me would have been have a
world team put those guys in there. But you can't
have five teams so that you might do the under
twenty five to balance the teams unless you put Czech
republican and then there's your six team. Like, there's other
ways to do it, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a complete It's a very complicated situation,
which with Russia, but I I mean, the other side
of it is Russia. The ding the rivalry with Russia
with both Canada and the States is more intense than

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sweet I mean, it's hard to hate Sweeten, it's hard
to hate fiddling.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
But even not having the checks in this thing, you know,
like that, that doesn't make a lot of sense to
me either.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Yeah, I think they needed to do something to they
wanted to get something off the ground. I think that
this is there's going to be some flaws with this,
and I think that this is something that they're going
to build towards going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
I think, honestly, I wouldn't have rushed into doing this.
You've got twenty twenty six Winter Olympics next year. I
would have made that the first tournament, not russianson, and
then had something that you could work towards for twenty
twenty seven or twenty twenty eight. That is a you know,
the best version you can put out there. To me,
this just seems like a watered down World Cup and
in the year if I was in a four year

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gap between the Olympics and I was craving hockey at
it's kind of the best and best international level. Sure,
but I still understand why you need to do this
the year for the Olympics when the AHL is going.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Back, because it's about the money, Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
The All Star Game is making them plenty of money too.
I would have just run the All Star Game again.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Yeah, I think this makes more money. Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
We'll see, because you're right, they're not making money from
the Olympics, right they They are not nearly as much.
Let's put it that way, because it's not your tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah. I mean the other question will be when do
you play this tournament? Because do you legitimately if you're
the Oilers and Connor McDavid gets hurt in this tournament,
are you not a little pissed off?

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
You are? I mean, honestly, and again, that's why I
think it needs a little more thought, Kevin. I don't
see the whole mid season tournament thing being viable. We're
already seeing guys who don't want to be there. You know,
we saw that with the All Star Game. I think
that just shutting the league down for a week or
doing the bye week thing makes sense if you want
to do a tournament during the summer, yeah, such a

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World Cup, your Four Nations Cup or whatever in July.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
I kind of understand, like they probably you could always
use this this Super Bowl week as sort of a
bye week, I mean going forward, because I mean the
attention for most people is go to be on the
NFL starting for a lot of people Monday, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Yeah, And I know we've always had you know, every
team out of one week by week, and you know
it's sort of half the teams one week and half
teams the other. I think, why not just shut them
all down at the same week, just say, hey, we're
gonna take two weeks off, maybe even at that point
focus on you know what, We're gonna shut things down,
but we're gonna play the HL All Star Game in
that week and we'll broadcast out on the NHL to
get some more eyes on young players or something like that.

(01:20:29):
But I just, you know, I just I don't know,
I'm not sold that this is going to get them
any better results than the than the All Star Game did,
especially the week before the year before the Olympics. If
they weren't going to the Olympics, I could see it maybe,
But the year before the Olympics, I'm just to me,
I'm gonna wait for the Olympics where we'll really see

(01:20:50):
I think best.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
I'm best well in the when the Canada Cup happened,
that was in the fall before that was the Befloor
And I mean, I ain't got some better. I actually
think that that's a better option to do this these
types of tournaments, because you know, you're it's before training
camp if there's and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
I can and I can see that as well, and
I can almost see this in a way happening at
the same time or just for training camp where this
is your best. Like, let's be honest, most of the time,
your best players are not playing during the preseason, right
you're giving You're giving young guys a slot. So if
they do this tournament, say the same time they do
their rookie tournaments, Okay, our old guys will go to
this training camp that we call the World Cup. Our

(01:21:36):
young guys will come and wear our team logos. Everybody
is getting some reps.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
In Yeah, yeah, I I could see that, like I
do I'm kind of intrigued. I'm intrigued to see what
happens because it's been a long time. I do think
that there's some flaws, obvious flaws with it, but I'm
going to enjoy it for what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Yeah, I don't know, Maybe I'm just jaded. I mean,
I wasn't a huge fan of the All Star stuff too.
I guess maybe I'm just getting sick of the manufactured
best on Best.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Yeah, it's and I mean even the All Star Game
when all these guys were dropping out and stuff, like
people didn't want to do it. It was not best
on Best because there's the replacements. Like, in a way,
as a fan, I would say, just get my guys
a rest and let's wait for the playoffs the best
I'm best. Yeah, Like I can see all these things.
When the NHL wasn't going to the Olympics, needing a

(01:22:33):
way to show us best on best. But now that
we're going back to the Olympics, why do we need
to manufacture more international play?

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Yeah, yeah, I don't I hear what you're saying. But
it's about the money.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
It is, for sure, and that's one of the reasons
I like the World Championships. Is it's still quote unquote
best on best, but it's almost your second tier. Guys.
It's a way for hospital and stuff like that to
you know, show themselves off where they wouldn't otherwise.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Yeah, yeah, true, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
I mean I could see I could see stopping that
that week during like you said, the Super Bowl and
maybe show on NHL TV. Say, you know, we're going
to show the HL All Star Game, the ECHL Star Game,
the PWHL All Star Games. We're going to expose you
to all of our affilliate leagues.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean you could move hockey game in
Canada after the Super Bowl, which is really what it
should be. It should not be during the NFL playoffs.
I think that that's just not helping anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Yeah, Or if you really want to do something during
Super Bowl week, make that your outdoor game instead of
New Year's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Well they do. They have had outdoor games in the
middle of February before. They've done this, some stadium series
games before. I believe that was when the New York
Jersey Philly Rangers played a couple of seasons ago. Yeah,
last year, that was what happened. And then you had
Carolina and Washington a couple of years ago too, so
they do do a stadium series around that time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
It just.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
I just I don't know. I have no interest in
this tournament. I'm just trying to figure out ways to
make it more interesting. I don't know if it's just
me or not, but I just I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Damn. I the one thing, I'm very intrigued about an
outdoor hockey game in the state of Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
What's intriguing about that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Well, I'm just figuring out. I'm just trying to figure
out how you do it. I think because it is
going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah, I mean we had a I mean, they can
manufacture artificial ice. You can make it happen if you
want to. It won't be the best surface, but I
think you can definitely make it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
It's I mean, I guess it would be I guess
the temperature will be interesting. But I'm kind of intrigued.
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
You know, And I think if you want to make
this more intriguing and take the four Nations to put
it outside.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
They had a junior game outside a couple of years ago, right,
Canada US World Junior they did.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Yeah, they've had a few of them. And if you
remember when Calgary had the outdoor game here McMahon, there
is a Hitman game. Yeah, Like, I don't know. To me,
if we want to see international best on best, I
would rather say the NHL joins the Champions League and
has either an All Star game or the Stanley Cup
team take on the best from all the other leagues.

(01:25:41):
Like that, I would watch, let's see the NHL play
the KHL play the SHL. Like that'd be interested to me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
But the Stanley Cup team would win?

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Or would they.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Probably? Do we know that they would. I mean we've
seen upsets it at every level. We've seen upsets in
the Olympics there right. I think if I'm that KHL team,
I'm coming out hard to show on the better team,
the NHL team, Like I think all the other leagues
would be going balls to the wall.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
I think the I think for me, the the problem
is with the Stanley Cup tournament's it's just too long,
too grueling to put them in another tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
I just so, what if you what if you did
an all star game where you invite all your partner
leagues and you play the NHL All Stars versus the
KH all starts with the SHL All Stars versus whoever,
and it's essentially quote unquote best on best and do
that for a week.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
I would. I'm still interested in this over that concept.
I know that this is a flawed concept, but it's
less flawed than your concept.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
I can agree for the average fan, Yes, I agree,
the average fan doesn't know those are the leagues and
doesn't care. They want to see the names they know, right,
TV audience is not in North America want to see
the names they know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
I think that this has potential. I just think it's
this is the first this is sort of the reset
of what they tried before, and I'm willing to give
it a chance and let's see where we take it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Yeah, okay, well we'll give it a shot. I guess, yeah,
I mean it. Give me. Let's say, for me, it's
going to be a break in the hockey season, which
I think is welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
Right now, that's totally fair if you want, and that's
totally a mental break is also good enough as well.
I totally am with you there. All right, Uh, what
are you talking about? On fireside shot?

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
This week on fireside Channe'll be mostly the Frost fairbe deal.
I think that we'll be talking about which you and
I covered here. Well, we're going to look a little
bit at I would say, some of the defense and
if we think the defenseman have been able to step
up and fill that spot that Kevin Ball is left
in the lineup. We'll probably also talk a little bit
about what the Flames need to do going forward, whether

(01:28:17):
that is make more trades, whether that is push guys,
maybe try other guys at center, try other guys different positions,
see what those guys can do and know what their
assets are there, or if they just stand pat and
hope for the best with these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
All right, so that comes out tomorrow. I know that
there is going to be a plan to talk Canucks.
I must don't know how the date won't be me
so I need to rest my voice. I'm yeah, I'm
not one hundred percent, but I got through this. So
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