October 27, 2024 • 55 mins
The Canucks go 3-1 on their road trip and have only lost 1 game in regulation.
Pettersson's game continues to get better, but it's still not where it needs to be.
We talk about who has disappointed and who has surprised this early in the season.
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Pettersson's game continues to get better, but it's still not where it needs to be.
We talk about who has disappointed and who has surprised this early in the season.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
And I quote, I'll be there in a minute, give
me a second.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Time is relative, folks, Time is relative.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So hey, cheers to everybody in the chat. Is there
a division rival? I don't care how many gets, how
many wins they get.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Screw them.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
That wasn't the take I was expecting me here.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I want to gush over watching live Chris Tanda.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I think that we completely underestimate the skill it takes
to play defense.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
One highlight or several highlights does not have called their trophy.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Mate.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm stepping in here. I'm going to be the cross
of you, old man here. They need to learn patience.
They need to understand attention. Everything in the again the drama.
Oh Derek, look at this? How mcama not getting the
penalty you got? You guys need to calm down with this. Okay,
you need to calm down.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
With Welcome to the Chefs and Bocks podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Calmness is like the Canucks are winning, but I still
don't think the Canucks fan base is calm but.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Whatever. Yeah, but yes, we gotta we got a three
person podcasts tonight. We've got Tyler. How you doing, Tyler?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Hey, guys, I'm doing all right. Trying out it's a
new technology. I gotta last time was on for different laptop,
got that all figured out. Now I'm going to beat
yourbug roots and moving forward with technology. No more, no more,
head said here. But it's a little bit weird. I
don't have just chord to play with anymore. We don't
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have to do it exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
And then the guy who always says time is a construct,
you give him a second, He'll take a minute.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Chris is here, how you doing, Chris?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Time is relative, folks. I knew that I would come
in handy at some point.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
On the road.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And uh, well, what did I say, Tyler last time,
last podcast we were on, I said that the Canucks.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
A good road trip would be a three and one
road trip. Well they do three.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And one, yeah, and John will make sure to get
credit for it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yes, I mean making that comment and just seeing a
little bit look on your face, going, well maybe like
three and one, yeah, especially you know that in Tampa.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So yeah, you know, I got me thinking, like back
in the day when there wasn't podcasts, and you know,
teams might get off to a slow starter. I mean
there was never panicking over two games, was there. I mean,
you have people calling into the radio call in shows
back then when that was the way, that's the way
that used to be. That you know, it's melting down
(03:24):
over you know, a couple of overtime losses or going
oh and three even like they're just I don't know
it just there wasn't that hyper sensitivity to every result
that we seem to have nowadays. But they're inevitably there's
a correction with the good teams. They're just too good
not to start to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
There's an amplification of of all the the irrational thoughts
that you guess, especially with social media. I think it's
not I don't think it's necessary the raate the like
all the radio shows, the podcasts and all that. I
feel like it's more of the social media because it's
so easy just to type out or type out like
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an irrational thought, hit send and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That in the ease of being overwhelmed in the age
of like infinite information and everyone having an opinion on
some of it.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yes, and feeling that you have to have an opinion
on everything, right.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Not too Yeah, you have to share it so everyone
must know what I think about everything.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, I said, I said two days ago, I said,
you know, hockey season's back when everyone, everyone and their
mother are are are talking and making sure that everyone
knows their opinion on a controversial hit.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So thank you Jacob Truba for really really starting the
NHL season properly with a controversial hit on Justin Paren.
Hopefully he's okay, but it's just it's alwa is.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's always interesting when that, like especially the first one
comes because you get the what the what the rules
actually are?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
What the rule? What the rule? What whatever?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Will want what they want the rules to be, what
the double A I ch F rules are, which always
confuses people, especially with with shot with hits the head
that can that can always throw throw people for a loop.
So it's always fun to just throw that mess in there,
let alone everything else that happens with.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Whether or not there's fighting in practices or.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You said you weren't gonna go there, John, I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I feel like we have to touch on it a
little bit, and we will when we talk about p D.
But it's not like spoiler alert. It's not a big deal.
So I think the way to start this off first
off is to congratulate Tyler Myers on a thousand games. Yes,
the Chaos raft has survived a thousand games.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, and you use that word survived, you know, like affectionately,
but but really, I mean that that is part of
how difficult it is to get to a thousand games.
You got you got to have that grind. Uh. Some
some players can can you know, sort of length a
career start to end on the calendar, play for a
long time. But to be able to do a thousand
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games within that period of time, yes, you've got to
be quite the warrior and play through a lot of
bumps and bruises and and and and stretches where you're
underperforming and struggling and and so you know, to get
to that feet is is uh, is a worthwhile accomplishment.
And congratulations to mister Myers.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, And then I guess the other way.
The next stop is who's been the star of the
of the Canucks to start this season, especially on that
road trip. It's gotta be Kevin Lankman.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Right, him and Garland but lancoln and I mean it's
it's thankfully they made that move, right. Can you imagine
they were just all in on she lobs here at
this point, and uh, there wasn't the the safety net
slash security of a of a more experienced goalie in
Kevin lancoln You know, good for him obviously, it's you know,
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actually not gonna want to go the whole season like this,
but he's getting them through it so far.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, I'd have to hear a tiler on that one.
I would have said, both Garland and Lincoln.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, and it's it's a it's.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Time that they ride ride lancoln In here, ride the
hot hat, not not just not start she loves because
I think he has shown play. He's played well in Spurts,
just not he hasn't put put together a full game
yet where he's played well, and he needs you need
him to be able to spell off lancoln In until
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until Demko comes back. So it's but yeah, they that
the Canucks having the having the confidence that they could
outweigit Lancannan's us asking like his asking price and get
him for as cheap as they did, looks really really
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good now. So yeah, I think it is definitely time
to sort of lancan is the one A or even
just the facto starter right now. While Demko's out until
she loves can find his game and then you can
maybe go a little bit more tandem, but at this
point it's like an its net too for the foreseeable future.
(08:50):
And then yeah, let's go right into Garland, who has
just been the fixer now, like he goes on him
and him and Hoglander and how Pete's wingers and as.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And they're they're still they're they're creating offense and they
put them on the power play and that power play
went went two for three in the last game. So yes,
he just he's he's I think I think I heard
someone call him takes teacher takts Teacher's pet, and.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
That could be disagree. Well, you know, the whole thing,
the whole thing with the power play has you wonder
like why didn't they try this sooner? You know, but
nice to have some new ideas to trot it out.
And it's just you know, this time last year again,
there was there was that speculation about whether his agent
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was looking into other other all possibilities for his client
and would he be traded or was he happy? Mean god,
that just seems so silly now to think back, for sure, and.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
A no, no, okay, uh, I was gonna say, like
when I was on with Sean earlier in the preseason
and whatnot, Like we were talking about like the versatility
of the forward lines for the Canucks this season and
just the fact that you can put Debresque on the
first line and then have Holglander and Garland on PD's line,
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and then when Dakota comes back, like you could put
him on the line probably with Sheerwood, and like, sure,
it's vastly different from what it was last season, but
it could be just as successful.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Who knows, well, you mean you got Dance and Heyen
who put up to put up two goals against Chicago
in the last game as well, Right, yep, sure, and
you could potent like you can you can ease Joshua
in because of how yeah you've got Garland, Hopelander on
the on the on the line with PD. That third
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line with Bluegert and Heinen and Sherwood has looked really
good as well. And I remember, going back to conversations
we've had previously as well, as I talked about how
you could have a bottom six that has two lines
that can sort of dominate and control control the game
the way the third line of Garlands, Joshua and Blueger
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Suitor Lindholm did last year.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Because you've got that thing we talked.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
About, even if they even if once Pete gets going
and you end up knocking Garland down to that third
line and you just reunite Blueger, Joshua and Garland. You
already know that Heinen and and Sherwood work well together.
You could put Suitor in the middle of that line
and boom, there's there's a basically another third line there.
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So the flexibility of moving, yeah, moving wingers around for
for Rick Talckett is is fantastic and that was one
of the strengths going into the season that I expected
to see.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So more depth for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, going back to going back to Garland, it's just.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
He just he plays so much bigger than he is
to right, remember, Yeah, there's I think there's a clip
around like going around that like he's listed at five eleven.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
He's like yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just that's
just that's just silly.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And for the record time, it's like every every especially
during in like sort of once you get up into
so the the fringes of junior and in junior and
in the drafter, your height get the heights can get
a little inflated, even like even if it's just one inch,
six foot sounds better than five eleven, just as deeven.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Well, and if you're if you're somebody that's six foot,
if you say I'm like six foot a half of
just a shade under six to one, that that makes
it seem so much more than just right at six,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
But when you when you when you play, when you're
five foot eight, five foot nine, you play like your six.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Foot Yes, it's just yeah, it makes it. Yeah, And
Hoglander's got a little bit of that. And I actually
like that they're parent, those two are paired up because
in two three, four years time, there's there's a good
chance Garland's not with the Canucks and Hoglander could take
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over that role of being the spark plug player who
can control, control the game and and drive a line.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And the fact they're both relatively undersized as well.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, I think Hogi has got the one or two
inches on on Garland, but.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
But not by much though, like well guy.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
He's that they're they're both built like fire hydrants. Sure,
but stay.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well and then you you know with Garland, you look
at you look at yes Garland. Back to Garland with
his with his size, his stick handling, his shiftiness. You know,
that just makes him extra irritating to play against. I
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mean I watch him when i'm you know, I'm That's
what I think about all the time. If he's on
the other team. I mean, this is just this is
going to just drive me nuts. And it's very valuable too.
Like towards the end of the game of Chicago, the
way he would just just take the puck by himself
going to the corner pivot, go back up to half
all pivot again. He did like three or four times
and ate up like what twenty seconds on his own.
You don't see a lot of that anymore.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
No, No, that he's definitely a.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
And that.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
He's paired with Hoogelander because that's something that hog Lander
can learn learned to do because he's They both have
that passkiness, they both have that like the willingness to
go into the hard areas.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
It's just it's the knowing what you can do with
the puck and when is what what Hope needs to learn.
And Garland has figured that out, especially under talking.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, it's a great like mentor and students sort of
relationship that they have.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
And then speaking of pests, the Canucks have a new
one in Keith for Sherwood.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yes, yes, uh in the corner with Connecty was pretty
great in the Flyers game.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And then they needed someone to step up to connecting
because remember in the in the was it pretty sure
it was the the second game of the year he connected.
He was taking runs and you need someone to step
up and even if it's not fighting, and just make
sure that he knows that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
That they're someone's watching him.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
He needs needs to cool it a little bit and
sometimes something Yeah, sometimes it's dropping the mits. Sometimes it's
just giving him a taste of his own of their
own medicine.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah. I think there's a lot of connection in between,
like him and like a Darcy Horda Chuck when he
was on the Canucks. Obviously obviously less scraps, but like
that that like just pain in the ass, gets under
your skin, drives you crazy to the point where you
want to fight him, sort of.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Arc Horde Chuck. That is a fall. That is a fall. Yeah,
you know, sometimes definitely endearing himself with a fan base
quite quickly with all of that too. That's people love
that that guy will go to bat for for whoever
on your team.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
But that's exactly why they got him. They knew he
was that player. Again in that series against Nashville.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, I mean, Quinn Hughes basically said go get go
get a player like he for surewood and they're like,
let me just go get him.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Looks like national's not setting him.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Will do it?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Sure, Yeah, exactly like he's got.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, throwing your goalie too.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
He he had twelve hits against Chicago, he had ten
against against Florida and nine against Philly.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Like he's right now, he is, Yeah, and I think it's.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Not even like bite by like ten or a dozen.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And last year Dakota Josha was up there too, Like,
so you're gonna like you get those two in the
lineup at the same time, Like the Canucks bottom six
is going to be a pain in the ass to
play against. And that's what you want.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Do the Canucks have a bash brothers.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Don't yeah, Darlin, and don't make me do the calm
down with that thing, Okay. Games into the season. Six
six games into the season.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Tyler don't Ben, we like fun here.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
To Chris brings the You bring the hair, I bring
the beard. Chris brings us.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yes, yes, I really got. I just gotta cut today
by the way a little bit and to work out
a bit, get all clothed up nicely for you guys. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And then the guy in the middle of all this
is Teddy Blueger, who was such a key cock for
the Canucks last year and then it got bumped down
the fourth line when they acquired the Elislyn Home. He
gets put back right in the center of the.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Of the third line again with two different linemates now
with Sherwood and and Hiding as of right now. But
he continues to just help produce and help make that
third line such a such a key, such a key
for the Canucks success. And I don't think he gets
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enough credit for what he like, what he's done for
the Canucks since surviving last year.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, that's probably fair to say. Yep, depth depth, depth, depth, right,
and he's he's uh, you know a big part of that.
And you don't have you know, you don't have as
much of that on your team as gonna be a
problem once injuries come up.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, like I was saying earlier, it's just that sneaky
forward depth that it makes kind of all four lines
feel like a form of a Swiss army knife where
you can mix and match with any wingers on each
line because you have the center depth that kind of
stabilizes all the lines.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, and you know, if you're the coach and you
and you're lacking that, then it's there's there's only so
much you can do. You can't coach a team that
you don't you don't have, right, I mean, you gotta
you gotta coach a team that you do have. And
if you're limited with lineup options, then it becomes you
you're into motivational tactics and and and other stuff that
has h limitations on us. Shall always say, there's only
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so much that you're going to get through that root
of coaching.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
The center depth of the Canucks have now is really
something that we haven't seen in a while. They got
Atu Ratu, who who made the team out of camp.
Uh didn't. I wouldn't say he was out of place
in a few games that he played with the with
the Canucks and then got sent back down to Abby,
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but he that if one of the centers goes down.
I don't think the Canucks are gonna be too worried
about bringing him up and and and slotting him into
a into a third or fourth line role. So that's
really nice as well.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
So and then being able to ease people in, it's
definitely a nice convenience to have for sure.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, and then speaking of someone who got called up
from Atmosford, you've got Eric Branstrom or his Ottawa was
calling him for the longest time.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
The branchise, the branchise, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, Unfortunately that, like Bransham got, was part was the
big piece that they got for they got in the
mark Stone trade. And yeah, there's a lot of pressure
foot on him, and you can see why, Like he's
got he skates well, you can move the puck well,
you can see the promise. Yeah, you can see the promise.
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But there's still some polishing, especially defensively that needs to happen.
And he's another size, other sized defenseman. So when they
when they made the trade to.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Acquire him and and get off Tucker Pulman's contract, I
was very interested to see what the Knucks would do
with him because it was just one of those well,
it just felt like they had to take a contract back, yeah,
just for contract slot slotting purposes.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
But it was it was, like I said, it was
an interesting one because you could see where they like,
especially in the AHL.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I feel like they're having him in the AHL and
Quinn Hughes in the NHL. You have two guys who
can very much drive the play with with their their
puck moving abilities. But in his few games with the
Canucks on this road trip, he's looked, He's looked solid.
He hasn't been trying to do too much. He's been
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playing a quiet game, and that's actually what you want,
I think you want to see from him. And then
and and he continues just to build the confidence, and
I think it's something he needs to continue to.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Build down in Abbitsford and maybe.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Potentially be a a later season sort of depth to
the roster because especially when you want something a little
you want some more puck moving ability because outside of
the Quin Hughes and Philip Ronnick pairing right now has
not played as well as I think everyone was hoping
and expecting. And then the third pair has been a
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bit of an adventure at times. So you've got Quin
Hughes in the trees, and it still leaves a little
bit of you still want a little bit more, just
steady ability to move the puck up the ice when
Quin Hughes isn't on the ice. And if Bradsham can
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continue to develop and play like that, there might be
something there.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Do you think that there's a decent possibility he might
be like the replacement for Juleson come like February in March.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I think post deadline, I wouldn't be surprised if the
Canucks have, like if they can make it work capwise
and depend.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Moving third, fourth, depending, yeah, depending what the moves are.
But because I don't I don't see the Canucks exposing
Juleson to waivers at least at this point.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That would be very disappointing if they got to that point. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yeah, And it's not it's not that he like he's
the perfect six seven defenseman in Julisons and but they
I think there's still some development to go with de Heerna,
there's still some development to go with Branstrom. Forbard has
looked solid for the most part, but it's again it's
just there's a limiting factor on on puck moving abilities
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when you especially on that especially on that bottom pair,
Like I feel like Susie and Myers can can play
better than they have shown, and we'll see some more
puck moving out of both of them. But that bottom pair,
if it's if it's four Burton and Julson or for
Burton de Hearne, there needs to be some development on
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from one of those players to to feel like you're
comfortable taking that that pair into the stretch run and
hopefully the playoffs with that with them there and Branstrom
again other size defenseman. Yeah, he skates beautifully, can move
the puck well, but Kenny, can you hold up to
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the to the riggers of that as well. So yeah,
it's it's tough because, like I said, you see the problems,
you see the like he could be. Maybe like he
he's one of those players like where you the way
I've seen the NHL go, especially on the on the
blue line, is that you've seen you're seeing like there's
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room for one true puck mover on the blue line
and else needs.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
To be more all rounders or like pure defense defensive defenseman. Yeah,
and I think the Cannucks, I think the Canucks need
just one more all rounder who can like be a
steady puck mover and that can slide into that second pair.
So I don't I don't necessarily see a long term
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pit for Branstrom, but maybe they can turn him into
like a part of a trade ship, that's a piece
in in a trade or something like that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Absolutely, you know, I think so far he's you know,
we've talked about the promise that he hasn't hasn't disappointed
me so far. With all the respect to Erica, we
have high we have some I hopes, but uh, you know,
I think he's his conducts career has gotten off to
it as good as start as he could probably hope for.
And you know, hopefully when he gets a recall again,
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he'll be able to continue need to push that forward.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And yeah, if he ends up being in trade chip,
then I imagine, like on a relatively weaker team, he
could have a more legitimate chance to crack a nice lenap.
It's just that the past two teams he's been on
has been more of a playoff type team and those
lineups are harder to crack.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
M Well, yeah, well, Ottawa was just the problem with
Ottawa was that they already had. He got passed pretty
quickly in the depth chart with with they already had
Thomas Shabbat and.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Then and then they brought in Sanderson. So it's just
you had he had he had, he was not. He
lost his spot to a couple higher and like bigger defenseman,
and then we went to Colorado. It was an interesting idea,
but it just didn't work out, and Colorado and Vancouver
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worked at the that was basically more salary cap related
than anything else. Absolutely, the Canucks got a got a
piece that we're that got a piece that's in a
player that could could be good depth. But then I say,
if he's not a trade ship, I definitely see him
being sort of the eighth defenseman for the Canucks post
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deadline when the twenty three man roster limit goes away,
as long as they can work it work the cap
that way. So but he's looked good and I think
getting him as opposed to another, maybe another player may
may turn it out to be a stroke of genius
for Alvin and the management team.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, and I mean it's worth a try too, because
they've had some other depth on defense, Like I named
a name like Gilsba comes to mind where they they've
they've tried and tried and tried to take what was
like a probably a career minor league player and give
him another opportunity and see if he can run with it.
It just hasn't been working. So let's see what Eric
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Brandstrom can offers a change of scenery for him. As
we've talked about coming out of Ottawa, maybe the spotlight
it's off him a little bit. I know it's odd
to say going to another Canadian market is as intense
as Vancouver can be, but uh, you know it was.
That was for both the team, and hopefully there will
be more positive than negative here down down the next
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little while.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yep, all right, and then I guess it's time. That's
that's that's that's that's that's tack of the elephant and room.
Oh yes, the media play of Eliot, the play of
Elias Patterson.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, I thought he's looked I thought he's looked better
last last couple of games. We talked about how Garland's
helped Drive play with that line, and I think it's start.
You're starting to see some more confidence come back from
Padie and I think it's something I think people need
to remember that.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
It's not like he can flip a switch, especially when
you're in a funk the way Petterson has been like
a cerebral type player too. Yeah, that's that where like
the last I can't remember the last time he scored
a five on five gowl, it was like halfway through
last season.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
And that's got a way on that would weigh on anyone, anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
And I.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Feel like a lot of the flat that PD gets
is because of body language, and you know, like I
think there's just there's too much reading into that as
to you know, whether he cares or or whether he's
reacting in the right fashion to whatever criticism, whether this
Elliot Friedman calls it noise or whatever his own internal
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expectations are. I think that's just I think, you know,
he's that's just his how he is. I mean, even
if he was playing well, he's got that really kind
of emotionless look to him. So you know, that's probably
not helping his case, you know. I mean, I don't
know what's better. Like if he's not playing well and
he's having a hissy fits smashing his stick all over
the place but still not producing, I mean, is that
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really better? I don't know, but.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
We went through We went through that one with JT.
Miller a couple of seasons ago, That's what I mean.
And then you look you also look at at Quinn
Hughes the ultimate sad face.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
But he played, but he's playing well and he's producing,
So it's it's I don't, Yeah, there is this weird
cycle analyzing of things, but I just don't think it's Honestly,
I don't think it's appropriate.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Because I don't think you know anything about these players
or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
And while I get it because it's emotional fans, I
just don't know if it's yeah, yeah, it's it just
comes across weird to me. And yeah, if if p
D is putting more pressure on himself because he's he's
really he's consuming all the noise in the market, that's
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not the best, but he's gonna find a way to
work through it.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
The city. I think the Citines had had a bit
of a trouble going through at the at the beginning,
and then they found a way.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
That's just human nature too. I believe Elliott Friedman when
he now thinks that you know, p D is among
the type of players it's well aware of what's being
said about. I think I think most athletes are of that.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And that and that is a theory, and I think
that's one thing that it was interesting that I saw
within this discourse this week after after Freedman and the
thirty two thoughts came out and he posed his theory,
it started being talked about as if it was fact.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
We don't know, we don't know what exactly everything's going on.
But if that is the case, I'm sure like the
cities are right there and I'm sure they're working with them,
and there's not two guys who know there's two guys.
There's no two better guys to know exactly what he's
going through. Yeah, and yeah, yeah, we talked about the
amplification of social media and everything and the media landscape now,
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so it is a little bit different, but they they
went through the same They went through the expectations and
everything of being a top top picks for the Vancouver
Canucks and how they Yeah, it took them, it took
them a little bit longer to get to their peak,
but when they did, they were fantastic.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And maybe Pete got to the top, not not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
His peak, but got up got to for maybe a
first plateau a little quicker than they did, and now
he's still struggling, but he I still think he can
get there, and I think there.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I know is tough as it.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Is to say, and I know there'll be many people
who will many fans that will like swear at me
for saying this, but you need to you need to
have some patience with him, and he needs to look
for the little wins with him and and all that.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I know it sucked, like and yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
He's making eleven eleven something million dollars a year and
you want you need him to perform at that level. Yeah,
if you can, if the Cannucks and get him there
and consistently performing at that level halfway through this season
and going into the stretch run and hopefully the playoffs
playing at that level, that that's a win.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You know, in the like bigger context, like if you
compare the Sedines at the age that PD's currently at
compared to the Seeds at that same age, PD has,
like you suggested, Sean like he kind of hit like
a higher tier at an earlier time in his career,
so maybe the expectations shot up a little bit higher
than what they should be. But as far as like
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what age he's at compared to the Sedins, at that
same age he's outperformed them. We'll find out if that arc,
you know, trajectory kind of stays the same way over
the length of his entire career and where it tracks
compared to the Sedines. But at this point he's had
more goals and more points than either of the Sedines
at that same point.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
I know it's cliche to say trust the process, but
you know, that's what I'm hoping is the case with
Liis Petterson, because when he came in, he had sort
of his style, his somewhat unique way of doing things.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
He trusted that and he was getting great results. He's
not going to blow you away with speed or or
size or physicality, but creativity and his shot, those things
he was trusting them and they were working. And it
seems like he's gotten away from all of that and
getting it back is a lot easier said than done.
But he's got he's got to trust trying to have success.
(35:59):
His way as a was trying to remake his game
into something he's not suited for, and uh, you know
that can then just really cloud the brain when he
got all that sort of analysis going on, you know,
and I suspect there's been some of that and maybe
hopefull maybe over time we're starting to see that go
away a little bit and he just needs to start
finding them that a few times, and I think the
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floodgates will open. But you know, it's been it has
been a while, and that's that's why people have those concerns.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah, and I think then, well we will tackle the
the incident just just briefly. Here. Teammates fight.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Teammates have like Dakota Joshua and Connor Garland had a
bit of a scrum at the before in preseason or
early last season, and they're like best friends now. Yeah,
I remember, and I'm pretty sure Kessler and Biexa have had.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
More more issues.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
And and being called, both of them calling each other
babies and and other worst words throughout their their career
and they're totally fine.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
If that happens. It happens at adult recreational sports context
where you got guys that are at each other's throats
once in a while. I'm sure you've seen it. I've
seen it about to get in between a couple guys,
they'd be like, hey, we're on the same team here,
what are we doing? This is that competitiveness. It's gonna happen.
It's just more magnified when there's a bunch of media watching.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And like Sean said in our group earlier, like competitive
hockey players are competitive ninety nine point nine percent of
the time. So even if it's in practice, yeah, there
might be some friction that happens, but hopefully they kind
of grow from it and they use it to the benefit.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, I mean I can't think of too many cases
where it's sent the team in a downwards fallen hasn't
been productive in some fashion. So it's a it's a
really a non story. But you know, when it happens
in front of the media, going to report it and
that will generate a bit of a bit of a
new cycle of discussion around it.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
But let me put it this way. It shows that
they give a ship. It shows that they can.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yes, that's the main thing, right, Like what's worse is
when a team's struggling and it's lifeless out there in practice.
I mean that's you know that that totally everybody's totally
checked out in that case, and again.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Another another good good example is just go watch the
first episode of the Prime series where they're falling around
Knelander and compassion act Nee letters miked up and he's
basically calling both Matthews and Marner's Matthews and Marner babies
on the bench in the middle of a game.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It happens.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
That's not the slightest concerning is yeah, but it's gonna happen. Yeah, yeah,
I mean sometimes that's just you know, you know, no,
you'd have to want to you want to know the
full context of that. But sometimes when you gotta somebody
that's down on themselves and they need a little kick
in the butt to stop being a baby, you're gonna
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hear those words. Yeah, it's meant to be constructive. It's
not meant to be tearing your teammates down, people kicking
the motivate killing, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Even if it pissed you off, like oh it motivated yeah, yeah,
all right.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
And then a little bit but yeah, it's meant for
a good copris yes.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yes, all right. And then just one more thing on
the Canucks before we move on to a couple of things.
A couple of NHL broader in Shell points average heard
home opener is tomorrow night, on Friday, the twenty fifth
of October. And yeah, so like the what what's interesting is, Yeah,
Brashroom and Archie Bains got sent down today. I wouldn't
(39:54):
be surprised if they both play tomorrow in that home opener.
But the this is where, this is where having the
the Atbasford so close to Vancouver, they're both on home
stands for the next little bit here. They can send
our sheep Banes and Eric Branch from down a cruise
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some with cap space now that they got another now
that they are out of L T I R.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
And then they can call them up for the road
trip if they want, Like that's great. And also if
you're in the area, you want to go see some
good hockey.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
HL is fantastic. Yeah, I wasn't unfortunately, just couldn't. Couldn't
make it work to see the Avastar Canucks when they
opened the season here in Calgary. But and go go
hl's good hockey.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
And the Canucks don't play till Saturday again too, So
in terms of getting getting them, you know, some more
playing time and and the crew in the cap space,
I mean, everything lines up really nice.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
To hear in that regard. Yes, it does, all right,
and then NHL brought our angel news Frozen Frenzy on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
You guys, yes, an it no just the Canucstan actually
flip flip flipped on the oilers in between periods and
and the staggers start time? Sure does make that convenient,
you can. I don't think the broadcasters care a much
for having their intermission commercials will skipped over for another game.
But but yes, it does make it easy to flip
(41:31):
onto another game and and check out what's going on there. Yeah,
it's it's it's too bad that there isn't some way
that ESPN and sports that can get together to make
this a thing on both sides of the border. I
don't know all the logistics that go into that. I've
seen some commentary about why are they doing it on
a Tuesday. Well, people seem to forget it's hard to
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find a time that all sixteen teams can play with
building availability, so that's a challenge. It's all so an
ESPN event, so it means they can't be having basketball
on that night or some other events, so it's tricky
to do. We've kind of kicked around amongst ourselves some
(42:13):
ideas how we you know, if they wanted to make
it a regular thing, how we think it should go
and ideally be on a Saturday, not have all of
the eight game or all of the sixteen game staggered apart.
But you know, it is it is. It is fun well,
and for the casual hockey fan who has the ESPN
(42:34):
plus of the US and you know, can to contune
into that they get a good, good sample of everything
going on around the league.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, obviously there's gonna be a little bit of imperfections
and stuff that they learn along the way. This is
only the second time they've done it, but hopefully, you know,
at some point they might like it. Like you were saying, Tyler,
it's complicated logistics, so hopefully they at some point can
maybe find a better groove. But ultimately, I think it's
a cool idea and then it'll probably improve over time.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, and said I would.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
I would have loved to see some sort of like
red zone situate north of the border like they had
down in the with espndown in the States.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
I would love to see that up up here in Canada.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
For for the next time they do a frozen frenzy
like that, because that's.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Just yeah, that was fun. That was fun, like on Sundays.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
I definitely, I definitely like have red zone on depending
on what games are on these like what games I
have access to and what games I want to watch.
But it's still being able to like toss it around
to like different things, all that this team's on a
power play, that'd be like, oh and then.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
It just it it would be it.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Yeah, I like the idea. I think there's some fine
tuning to go through. And I said, yeah, like the
don't have.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
To have every game set staggered by fifteen minutes, but
it's it's still it does draw eyes. I think it
does draw some intrigue. And also it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
It doesn't have to be all thirty two teams playing.
If they want to make this right, well they would,
they're going to make this a regular thing. Then it's
not you know, it's not practical to have it be
all thirty two teams playing. But if you had some
you know, I don't know, two or three time slots,
and you had you know, certain number of games in
each one of those, and then you just flip them between.
(44:26):
That's basically what the NFL does.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, sure, well, like the morning the morning slot is
all at at what one start time, and then the
afternoon slot has like two different start times.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Like in.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Yeah, you've got the two o five and then the
two twenty five, so one oh five and one one
twenty five in BC. So it I don't, I don't
mind that, but like it's just yeah, I don't. I
don't think the the all this staggering is necessarily needed.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
But yeah, you know, one thing, one thing that NFL
quietly did this year is set up the schedule such
that there's at least three games in that late afternoon
Eastern time window as opposed to or only one game.
And I think that has something to do with it,
you know, the red zone and trying to get more
people to sign up for that and the pop to
(45:21):
try to boost the popularity of that. But they they
have made sure that there's at least three games if
I've read that correctly, to provide that that whip around
viewing option and ESPN. This is part of this part
of what they what they do with their core programming.
They've seen this with their well most famously with Monday
(45:41):
Night Football now or they have the Mannings on ESPN
two is an alternative viewing option, and they've they've done
similar things like that with Sunday Night Baseball, and this
is a form of it with hockey where they've got
their games that they're showing in the regular conventional fashion
and then they've got an alternative offering. And they must
be pretty haiph with the combined viewership totals there, because
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you know, they're pretty invested in it.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
And like, as far as a comparison between the two sports, like,
I feel like it's a cool concept that hockey is
trying to mimic to a degree, but I feel like
it the red zone concept definitely works better with football.
Like it you can definitely, like like John I'm talking about,
with like powerplays and stuff like that, Like there's certain
aspects of hockey that kind of can maybe work in
(46:30):
that in that regard, but I feel like there's no
like surefire way of like, oh they are like a
minute away from potentially scoring a goal here. Like hockey,
I feel like scoring can happen more momentary at any time,
whereas football it's a little bit more predictable. So yeah,
like it's not gonna be like a perfect apples to apples,
(46:50):
like when you try and like copy and paste into
a different sport. But I appreciate the attempt at.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
It, and I think that's why you don't need all
likely all thirty two teams playing sixteen games. You can
three games go at once.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
You can you can work it that way and then
you're not necessarily missing out on a lot. So it's yeah,
it's not that it's not a perfect transition, but it's
it's definitely something I think they can make work. It's
not the first time that we've seen something like that.
I know they have what ice surfing on, like I
(47:30):
think it's a sports net YouTube channel at one point
or was that the score, Like there's multiple things score. Yeah, yeah,
there's a there's a there's a few different iterations of
them trying to do this, and I think it's like
right now, I think they did, like yeah, especially in Canada,
they need to bring it back.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Speaking of that, I believe actually.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
On Amazon Prime on Prime TV, you can do that
on Thursday nights. So it's definitely they are trying that,
and I think I hope that it can grow and
build from that because.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
It's definitely something I think is needed now in.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Today's today's day and age, especially on busy nights like
on Saturday night. It should be like Sportsman should have
this on a Saturday night with because usually Saturday nights
have like at least eight to ten games, right, So.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Well, with the upcoming renewal of the Canadian TV rights
here fairly soon, we'll see if maybe that is part
of it.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, it's definitely going to be interesting to see how
the new negotiating negotiations for the new contract goes and
like how many companies are going to be in on it,
because we were talking about, like when Rogers got this
one last time, like how that was going to affect
TSN and if they were still going to be like
in forbidding once it expired and stuff like that. But
now with like streaming being as big of a thing
(49:01):
and Amazon getting Monday night rights and that sort of thing,
it's definitely going to be a very interesting situation to
see how that next contract plays out.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Now, speaking to Amazon, I know we didn't put this
on the agenda, but I don't I haven't seen really
much of the two Prime video games that they've shown
so far on Monday nights. But any impressions from you guys,
have you caught any of that?
Speaker 4 (49:23):
I The one thing I really like about them is
that before they're the actual broadcast goes live, they just
have sort of b roll of like the warm ups
and in the arena, And that's very cool. It's one
of those things that you you kind of you kind
of lose when you're just watching on TV.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Just that feel of being in the arena you kind
of it kind of adds that.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
Yeah, I thought that was nice too. Yeah, and then
I do like the fact that they have it. They
have the panel like sort of the concourse in the arenas,
and again it just it helps you feel the energy.
And again it's something that you don't get in the studio, uh,
these studio panels or if you're saying like Vancouver's got
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there there, they're they're sort of their panel up in
Rogers Rogers Arena up above everything. You don't necessarily feel
the energy as well as you do down in the concourse.
I know, it's a tough to find a way to
do it. I don't know if they're gonna they'll.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Be able to do that in all arenas, depending on
like if they come to Calgary, I don't know if
they where they could set that up without it. Yeah,
so I don't know if that's again something that can
happen in all arenas, but I did. I do like
that they well they the two games.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
They've had at the Bell Center in Montreal and then
the is it or a Scotia Bank arena, But to
a sponsor behind, yes, so you you have to the
like the like the two of the most like hot
(51:14):
and rabbit fan bases in the league. So you do
have that, but I feel like you should be able
to feel that in most arenas if you can find
a way to make it work.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
You know, one thing that Amazon's learned from from other
experience to have streaming services put on sporting events is
that they they do add their own their own sort
of creative flair to but they don't reinvent the wheel.
The actual presentation of the game is pretty straightforward with
experienced broadcasters. Yeah, you're you're, you're, You're getting what you'd
(51:46):
expect a national level broadcast, I think, without too many
bells and whistles to sort of distract from the experience.
And you know, I haven't seen any of the panel.
I would imagine it's probably not talk and anybody socks off.
Fans will be thrilled when they have Mark Messier showing
up at some point later in the season.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Really, my only major issue with it if they.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
Yeah, and our friend of the show, Ricky Dolly wall will, we'll, we'll,
it'll be interesting the first time the Canucks are on Prime.
We'll look forward to hearing about that. But otherwise, uh,
it's been pretty solid with John Foresland unplayed by play
and the analysts. They've had Andy Petroll again. Yeah, and
(52:35):
one thing about streaming services is the picture quality is good,
like it is not compressed, and it is it is. Uh,
it's good to see. But Apple, like with their baseball covers,
they did a lot of reinventing in the wheel and
went with unusual commentary booth teams and and kind of
irritated fans with that. And I think that's a good
(52:57):
start to a new broadcast. Don't annoy the view were
just just let them consume the product and then then
you can kind of make some tweaks as you go.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Yeah, give them mostly what they want, but slightly tweak it,
not try and change it from the get go.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's I've heard this with brewing. Actually,
it's like if you want, if you want to tweak
a recipe on a beer, make a thousand small tweaks
so that when you get there they don't really notice
that the consumer, the consumer doesn't notice that you've been
(53:33):
even you've changed it.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
So but yeah, it's yeah, it's and and and just
make sure that the people who are in Canada can
watch it. Supports that just saying.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I believe that the audience relations that sports dot.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
But other than that, I know we had one more
thing on the agenda, but I think that's good for tonight.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
We can it's still like I said, six seven, eight
games in the season. Uh, the only thing the agenda
was surprises and disappointments. But guess what we can talk
about that next week when it's we're close the season.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Thanksgiving. I feel it's like a more appropriate time to
have that conversation.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, even next week. But yeah, you know sorry Calgary
flame stands, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
I mean they're there. They last time I looked it
looked like they were. They have fallen off the falling
off the high and the last time I saw it
was three nothing Carolina's three one. They got they got closer.
So a, all right, how do we follow everyone?
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And I quote, I'll be there in a minute, give
me a second.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Time is relative, folks, Time is relative.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So hey, cheers to everybody in the chat. Is there
a division rival? I don't care how many gets, how
many wins they get.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Screw them.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
That wasn't the take I was expecting me here.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I want to gush over watching live Chris Tanda.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I think that we completely underestimate the skill it takes
to play defense.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
One highlight or several highlights does not have called their trophy.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Mate.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm stepping in here. I'm going to be the cross
of you, old man here. They need to learn patience.
They need to understand attention. Everything in the again the drama.
Oh Derek, look at this? How mcama not getting the
penalty you got? You guys need to calm down with this. Okay,
you need to calm down.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
With Welcome to the Chefs and Bocks podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Calmness is like the Canucks are winning, but I still
don't think the Canucks fan base is calm but.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Whatever. Yeah, but yes, we gotta we got a three
person podcasts tonight. We've got Tyler. How you doing, Tyler?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Hey, guys, I'm doing all right. Trying out it's a
new technology. I gotta last time was on for different laptop,
got that all figured out. Now I'm going to beat
yourbug roots and moving forward with technology. No more, no more,
head said here. But it's a little bit weird. I
don't have just chord to play with anymore. We don't
(02:04):
have to do it exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
And then the guy who always says time is a construct,
you give him a second, He'll take a minute.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Chris is here, how you doing, Chris?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Time is relative, folks. I knew that I would come
in handy at some point.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
On the road.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And uh, well, what did I say, Tyler last time,
last podcast we were on, I said that the Canucks.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
A good road trip would be a three and one
road trip. Well they do three.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And one, yeah, and John will make sure to get
credit for it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yes, I mean making that comment and just seeing a
little bit look on your face, going, well maybe like
three and one, yeah, especially you know that in Tampa.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So yeah, you know, I got me thinking, like back
in the day when there wasn't podcasts, and you know,
teams might get off to a slow starter. I mean
there was never panicking over two games, was there. I mean,
you have people calling into the radio call in shows
back then when that was the way, that's the way
that used to be. That you know, it's melting down
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over you know, a couple of overtime losses or going
oh and three even like they're just I don't know
it just there wasn't that hyper sensitivity to every result
that we seem to have nowadays. But they're inevitably there's
a correction with the good teams. They're just too good
not to start to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
There's an amplification of of all the the irrational thoughts
that you guess, especially with social media. I think it's
not I don't think it's necessary the raate the like
all the radio shows, the podcasts and all that. I
feel like it's more of the social media because it's
so easy just to type out or type out like
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an irrational thought, hit send and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That in the ease of being overwhelmed in the age
of like infinite information and everyone having an opinion on
some of it.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yes, and feeling that you have to have an opinion
on everything, right.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Not too Yeah, you have to share it so everyone
must know what I think about everything.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, I said, I said two days ago, I said,
you know, hockey season's back when everyone, everyone and their
mother are are are talking and making sure that everyone
knows their opinion on a controversial hit.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So thank you Jacob Truba for really really starting the
NHL season properly with a controversial hit on Justin Paren.
Hopefully he's okay, but it's just it's alwa is.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's always interesting when that, like especially the first one
comes because you get the what the what the rules
actually are?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
What the rule? What the rule? What whatever?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Will want what they want the rules to be, what
the double A I ch F rules are, which always
confuses people, especially with with shot with hits the head
that can that can always throw throw people for a loop.
So it's always fun to just throw that mess in there,
let alone everything else that happens with.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Whether or not there's fighting in practices or.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You said you weren't gonna go there, John, I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I feel like we have to touch on it a
little bit, and we will when we talk about p D.
But it's not like spoiler alert. It's not a big deal.
So I think the way to start this off first
off is to congratulate Tyler Myers on a thousand games. Yes,
the Chaos raft has survived a thousand games.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, and you use that word survived, you know, like affectionately,
but but really, I mean that that is part of
how difficult it is to get to a thousand games.
You got you got to have that grind. Uh. Some
some players can can you know, sort of length a
career start to end on the calendar, play for a
long time. But to be able to do a thousand
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games within that period of time, yes, you've got to
be quite the warrior and play through a lot of
bumps and bruises and and and and stretches where you're
underperforming and struggling and and so you know, to get
to that feet is is uh, is a worthwhile accomplishment.
And congratulations to mister Myers.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, And then I guess the other way.
The next stop is who's been the star of the
of the Canucks to start this season, especially on that
road trip. It's gotta be Kevin Lankman.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Right, him and Garland but lancoln and I mean it's
it's thankfully they made that move, right. Can you imagine
they were just all in on she lobs here at
this point, and uh, there wasn't the the safety net
slash security of a of a more experienced goalie in
Kevin lancoln You know, good for him obviously, it's you know,
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actually not gonna want to go the whole season like this,
but he's getting them through it so far.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, I'd have to hear a tiler on that one.
I would have said, both Garland and Lincoln.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, and it's it's a it's.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Time that they ride ride lancoln In here, ride the
hot hat, not not just not start she loves because
I think he has shown play. He's played well in Spurts,
just not he hasn't put put together a full game
yet where he's played well, and he needs you need
him to be able to spell off lancoln In until
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until Demko comes back. So it's but yeah, they that
the Canucks having the having the confidence that they could
outweigit Lancannan's us asking like his asking price and get
him for as cheap as they did, looks really really
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good now. So yeah, I think it is definitely time
to sort of lancan is the one A or even
just the facto starter right now. While Demko's out until
she loves can find his game and then you can
maybe go a little bit more tandem, but at this
point it's like an its net too for the foreseeable future.
(08:50):
And then yeah, let's go right into Garland, who has
just been the fixer now, like he goes on him
and him and Hoglander and how Pete's wingers and as.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And they're they're still they're they're creating offense and they
put them on the power play and that power play
went went two for three in the last game. So yes,
he just he's he's I think I think I heard
someone call him takes teacher takts Teacher's pet, and.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
That could be disagree. Well, you know, the whole thing,
the whole thing with the power play has you wonder
like why didn't they try this sooner? You know, but
nice to have some new ideas to trot it out.
And it's just you know, this time last year again,
there was there was that speculation about whether his agent
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was looking into other other all possibilities for his client
and would he be traded or was he happy? Mean god,
that just seems so silly now to think back, for sure, and.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
A no, no, okay, uh, I was gonna say, like
when I was on with Sean earlier in the preseason
and whatnot, Like we were talking about like the versatility
of the forward lines for the Canucks this season and
just the fact that you can put Debresque on the
first line and then have Holglander and Garland on PD's line,
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and then when Dakota comes back, like you could put
him on the line probably with Sheerwood, and like, sure,
it's vastly different from what it was last season, but
it could be just as successful.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Who knows, well, you mean you got Dance and Heyen
who put up to put up two goals against Chicago
in the last game as well, Right, yep, sure, and
you could potent like you can you can ease Joshua
in because of how yeah you've got Garland, Hopelander on
the on the on the line with PD. That third
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line with Bluegert and Heinen and Sherwood has looked really
good as well. And I remember, going back to conversations
we've had previously as well, as I talked about how
you could have a bottom six that has two lines
that can sort of dominate and control control the game
the way the third line of Garlands, Joshua and Blueger
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Suitor Lindholm did last year.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Because you've got that thing we talked.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
About, even if they even if once Pete gets going
and you end up knocking Garland down to that third
line and you just reunite Blueger, Joshua and Garland. You
already know that Heinen and and Sherwood work well together.
You could put Suitor in the middle of that line
and boom, there's there's a basically another third line there.
(11:43):
So the flexibility of moving, yeah, moving wingers around for
for Rick Talckett is is fantastic and that was one
of the strengths going into the season that I expected
to see.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So more depth for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, going back to going back to Garland, it's just.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
He just he plays so much bigger than he is
to right, remember, Yeah, there's I think there's a clip
around like going around that like he's listed at five eleven.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
He's like yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just that's
just that's just silly.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And for the record time, it's like every every especially
during in like sort of once you get up into
so the the fringes of junior and in junior and
in the drafter, your height get the heights can get
a little inflated, even like even if it's just one inch,
six foot sounds better than five eleven, just as deeven.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Well, and if you're if you're somebody that's six foot,
if you say I'm like six foot a half of
just a shade under six to one, that that makes
it seem so much more than just right at six,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
But when you when you when you play, when you're
five foot eight, five foot nine, you play like your six.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Foot Yes, it's just yeah, it makes it. Yeah, And
Hoglander's got a little bit of that. And I actually
like that they're parent, those two are paired up because
in two three, four years time, there's there's a good
chance Garland's not with the Canucks and Hoglander could take
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over that role of being the spark plug player who
can control, control the game and and drive a line.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And the fact they're both relatively undersized as well.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, I think Hogi has got the one or two
inches on on Garland, but.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
But not by much though, like well guy.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
He's that they're they're both built like fire hydrants. Sure,
but stay.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well and then you you know with Garland, you look
at you look at yes Garland. Back to Garland with
his with his size, his stick handling, his shiftiness. You know,
that just makes him extra irritating to play against. I
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mean I watch him when i'm you know, I'm That's
what I think about all the time. If he's on
the other team. I mean, this is just this is
going to just drive me nuts. And it's very valuable too.
Like towards the end of the game of Chicago, the
way he would just just take the puck by himself
going to the corner pivot, go back up to half
all pivot again. He did like three or four times
and ate up like what twenty seconds on his own.
You don't see a lot of that anymore.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
No, No, that he's definitely a.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
And that.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
He's paired with Hoogelander because that's something that hog Lander
can learn learned to do because he's They both have
that passkiness, they both have that like the willingness to
go into the hard areas.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
It's just it's the knowing what you can do with
the puck and when is what what Hope needs to learn.
And Garland has figured that out, especially under talking.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, it's a great like mentor and students sort of
relationship that they have.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
And then speaking of pests, the Canucks have a new
one in Keith for Sherwood.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yes, yes, uh in the corner with Connecty was pretty
great in the Flyers game.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And then they needed someone to step up to connecting
because remember in the in the was it pretty sure
it was the the second game of the year he connected.
He was taking runs and you need someone to step
up and even if it's not fighting, and just make
sure that he knows that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
That they're someone's watching him.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
He needs needs to cool it a little bit and
sometimes something Yeah, sometimes it's dropping the mits. Sometimes it's
just giving him a taste of his own of their
own medicine.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah. I think there's a lot of connection in between,
like him and like a Darcy Horda Chuck when he
was on the Canucks. Obviously obviously less scraps, but like
that that like just pain in the ass, gets under
your skin, drives you crazy to the point where you
want to fight him, sort of.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Arc Horde Chuck. That is a fall. That is a fall. Yeah,
you know, sometimes definitely endearing himself with a fan base
quite quickly with all of that too. That's people love
that that guy will go to bat for for whoever
on your team.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
But that's exactly why they got him. They knew he
was that player. Again in that series against Nashville.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, I mean, Quinn Hughes basically said go get go
get a player like he for surewood and they're like,
let me just go get him.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Looks like national's not setting him.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Will do it?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Sure, Yeah, exactly like he's got.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, throwing your goalie too.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
He he had twelve hits against Chicago, he had ten
against against Florida and nine against Philly.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Like he's right now, he is, Yeah, and I think it's.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Not even like bite by like ten or a dozen.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And last year Dakota Josha was up there too, Like,
so you're gonna like you get those two in the
lineup at the same time, Like the Canucks bottom six
is going to be a pain in the ass to
play against. And that's what you want.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Do the Canucks have a bash brothers.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Don't yeah, Darlin, and don't make me do the calm
down with that thing, Okay. Games into the season. Six
six games into the season.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Tyler don't Ben, we like fun here.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
To Chris brings the You bring the hair, I bring
the beard. Chris brings us.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yes, yes, I really got. I just gotta cut today
by the way a little bit and to work out
a bit, get all clothed up nicely for you guys. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And then the guy in the middle of all this
is Teddy Blueger, who was such a key cock for
the Canucks last year and then it got bumped down
the fourth line when they acquired the Elislyn Home. He
gets put back right in the center of the.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Of the third line again with two different linemates now
with Sherwood and and Hiding as of right now. But
he continues to just help produce and help make that
third line such a such a key, such a key
for the Canucks success. And I don't think he gets
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enough credit for what he like, what he's done for
the Canucks since surviving last year.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, that's probably fair to say. Yep, depth depth, depth, depth, right,
and he's he's uh, you know a big part of that.
And you don't have you know, you don't have as
much of that on your team as gonna be a
problem once injuries come up.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, like I was saying earlier, it's just that sneaky
forward depth that it makes kind of all four lines
feel like a form of a Swiss army knife where
you can mix and match with any wingers on each
line because you have the center depth that kind of
stabilizes all the lines.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, and you know, if you're the coach and you
and you're lacking that, then it's there's there's only so
much you can do. You can't coach a team that
you don't you don't have, right, I mean, you gotta
you gotta coach a team that you do have. And
if you're limited with lineup options, then it becomes you
you're into motivational tactics and and and other stuff that
has h limitations on us. Shall always say, there's only
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so much that you're going to get through that root
of coaching.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
The center depth of the Canucks have now is really
something that we haven't seen in a while. They got
Atu Ratu, who who made the team out of camp.
Uh didn't. I wouldn't say he was out of place
in a few games that he played with the with
the Canucks and then got sent back down to Abby,
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but he that if one of the centers goes down.
I don't think the Canucks are gonna be too worried
about bringing him up and and and slotting him into
a into a third or fourth line role. So that's
really nice as well.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
So and then being able to ease people in, it's
definitely a nice convenience to have for sure.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, and then speaking of someone who got called up
from Atmosford, you've got Eric Branstrom or his Ottawa was
calling him for the longest time.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
The branchise, the branchise, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, Unfortunately that, like Bransham got, was part was the
big piece that they got for they got in the
mark Stone trade. And yeah, there's a lot of pressure
foot on him, and you can see why, Like he's
got he skates well, you can move the puck well,
you can see the promise. Yeah, you can see the promise.
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But there's still some polishing, especially defensively that needs to happen.
And he's another size, other sized defenseman. So when they
when they made the trade to.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Acquire him and and get off Tucker Pulman's contract, I
was very interested to see what the Knucks would do
with him because it was just one of those well,
it just felt like they had to take a contract back, yeah,
just for contract slot slotting purposes.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
But it was it was, like I said, it was
an interesting one because you could see where they like,
especially in the AHL.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I feel like they're having him in the AHL and
Quinn Hughes in the NHL. You have two guys who
can very much drive the play with with their their
puck moving abilities. But in his few games with the
Canucks on this road trip, he's looked, He's looked solid.
He hasn't been trying to do too much. He's been
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playing a quiet game, and that's actually what you want,
I think you want to see from him. And then
and and he continues just to build the confidence, and
I think it's something he needs to continue to.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Build down in Abbitsford and maybe.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Potentially be a a later season sort of depth to
the roster because especially when you want something a little
you want some more puck moving ability because outside of
the Quin Hughes and Philip Ronnick pairing right now has
not played as well as I think everyone was hoping
and expecting. And then the third pair has been a
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bit of an adventure at times. So you've got Quin
Hughes in the trees, and it still leaves a little
bit of you still want a little bit more, just
steady ability to move the puck up the ice when
Quin Hughes isn't on the ice. And if Bradsham can
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continue to develop and play like that, there might be
something there.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Do you think that there's a decent possibility he might
be like the replacement for Juleson come like February in March.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I think post deadline, I wouldn't be surprised if the
Canucks have, like if they can make it work capwise
and depend.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Moving third, fourth, depending, yeah, depending what the moves are.
But because I don't I don't see the Canucks exposing
Juleson to waivers at least at this point.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That would be very disappointing if they got to that point. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yeah, And it's not it's not that he like he's
the perfect six seven defenseman in Julisons and but they
I think there's still some development to go with de Heerna,
there's still some development to go with Branstrom. Forbard has
looked solid for the most part, but it's again it's
just there's a limiting factor on on puck moving abilities
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when you especially on that especially on that bottom pair,
Like I feel like Susie and Myers can can play
better than they have shown, and we'll see some more
puck moving out of both of them. But that bottom pair,
if it's if it's four Burton and Julson or for
Burton de Hearne, there needs to be some development on
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from one of those players to to feel like you're
comfortable taking that that pair into the stretch run and
hopefully the playoffs with that with them there and Branstrom
again other size defenseman. Yeah, he skates beautifully, can move
the puck well, but Kenny, can you hold up to
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the to the riggers of that as well. So yeah,
it's it's tough because, like I said, you see the problems,
you see the like he could be. Maybe like he
he's one of those players like where you the way
I've seen the NHL go, especially on the on the
blue line, is that you've seen you're seeing like there's
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room for one true puck mover on the blue line
and else needs.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
To be more all rounders or like pure defense defensive defenseman. Yeah,
and I think the Cannucks, I think the Canucks need
just one more all rounder who can like be a
steady puck mover and that can slide into that second pair.
So I don't I don't necessarily see a long term
(26:26):
pit for Branstrom, but maybe they can turn him into
like a part of a trade ship, that's a piece
in in a trade or something like that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Absolutely, you know, I think so far he's you know,
we've talked about the promise that he hasn't hasn't disappointed
me so far. With all the respect to Erica, we
have high we have some I hopes, but uh, you know,
I think he's his conducts career has gotten off to
it as good as start as he could probably hope for.
And you know, hopefully when he gets a recall again,
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he'll be able to continue need to push that forward.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And yeah, if he ends up being in trade chip,
then I imagine, like on a relatively weaker team, he
could have a more legitimate chance to crack a nice lenap.
It's just that the past two teams he's been on
has been more of a playoff type team and those
lineups are harder to crack.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
M Well, yeah, well, Ottawa was just the problem with
Ottawa was that they already had. He got passed pretty
quickly in the depth chart with with they already had
Thomas Shabbat and.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Then and then they brought in Sanderson. So it's just
you had he had he had, he was not. He
lost his spot to a couple higher and like bigger defenseman,
and then we went to Colorado. It was an interesting idea,
but it just didn't work out, and Colorado and Vancouver
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worked at the that was basically more salary cap related
than anything else. Absolutely, the Canucks got a got a
piece that we're that got a piece that's in a
player that could could be good depth. But then I say,
if he's not a trade ship, I definitely see him
being sort of the eighth defenseman for the Canucks post
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deadline when the twenty three man roster limit goes away,
as long as they can work it work the cap
that way. So but he's looked good and I think
getting him as opposed to another, maybe another player may
may turn it out to be a stroke of genius
for Alvin and the management team.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, and I mean it's worth a try too, because
they've had some other depth on defense, Like I named
a name like Gilsba comes to mind where they they've
they've tried and tried and tried to take what was
like a probably a career minor league player and give
him another opportunity and see if he can run with it.
It just hasn't been working. So let's see what Eric
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Brandstrom can offers a change of scenery for him. As
we've talked about coming out of Ottawa, maybe the spotlight
it's off him a little bit. I know it's odd
to say going to another Canadian market is as intense
as Vancouver can be, but uh, you know it was.
That was for both the team, and hopefully there will
be more positive than negative here down down the next
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little while.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yep, all right, and then I guess it's time. That's
that's that's that's that's that's tack of the elephant and room.
Oh yes, the media play of Eliot, the play of
Elias Patterson.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, I thought he's looked I thought he's looked better
last last couple of games. We talked about how Garland's
helped Drive play with that line, and I think it's start.
You're starting to see some more confidence come back from
Padie and I think it's something I think people need
to remember that.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
It's not like he can flip a switch, especially when
you're in a funk the way Petterson has been like
a cerebral type player too. Yeah, that's that where like
the last I can't remember the last time he scored
a five on five gowl, it was like halfway through
last season.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
And that's got a way on that would weigh on anyone, anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
And I.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Feel like a lot of the flat that PD gets
is because of body language, and you know, like I
think there's just there's too much reading into that as
to you know, whether he cares or or whether he's
reacting in the right fashion to whatever criticism, whether this
Elliot Friedman calls it noise or whatever his own internal
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expectations are. I think that's just I think, you know,
he's that's just his how he is. I mean, even
if he was playing well, he's got that really kind
of emotionless look to him. So you know, that's probably
not helping his case, you know. I mean, I don't
know what's better. Like if he's not playing well and
he's having a hissy fits smashing his stick all over
the place but still not producing, I mean, is that
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really better? I don't know, but.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
We went through We went through that one with JT.
Miller a couple of seasons ago, That's what I mean.
And then you look you also look at at Quinn
Hughes the ultimate sad face.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
But he played, but he's playing well and he's producing,
So it's it's I don't, Yeah, there is this weird
cycle analyzing of things, but I just don't think it's Honestly,
I don't think it's appropriate.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Because I don't think you know anything about these players
or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
And while I get it because it's emotional fans, I
just don't know if it's yeah, yeah, it's it just
comes across weird to me. And yeah, if if p
D is putting more pressure on himself because he's he's
really he's consuming all the noise in the market, that's
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not the best, but he's gonna find a way to
work through it.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
The city. I think the Citines had had a bit
of a trouble going through at the at the beginning,
and then they found a way.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
That's just human nature too. I believe Elliott Friedman when
he now thinks that you know, p D is among
the type of players it's well aware of what's being
said about. I think I think most athletes are of that.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And that and that is a theory, and I think
that's one thing that it was interesting that I saw
within this discourse this week after after Freedman and the
thirty two thoughts came out and he posed his theory,
it started being talked about as if it was fact.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
We don't know, we don't know what exactly everything's going on.
But if that is the case, I'm sure like the
cities are right there and I'm sure they're working with them,
and there's not two guys who know there's two guys.
There's no two better guys to know exactly what he's
going through. Yeah, and yeah, yeah, we talked about the
amplification of social media and everything and the media landscape now,
(33:22):
so it is a little bit different, but they they
went through the same They went through the expectations and
everything of being a top top picks for the Vancouver
Canucks and how they Yeah, it took them, it took
them a little bit longer to get to their peak,
but when they did, they were fantastic.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And maybe Pete got to the top, not not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
His peak, but got up got to for maybe a
first plateau a little quicker than they did, and now
he's still struggling, but he I still think he can
get there, and I think there.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I know is tough as it.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Is to say, and I know there'll be many people
who will many fans that will like swear at me
for saying this, but you need to you need to
have some patience with him, and he needs to look
for the little wins with him and and all that.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I know it sucked, like and yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
He's making eleven eleven something million dollars a year and
you want you need him to perform at that level. Yeah,
if you can, if the Cannucks and get him there
and consistently performing at that level halfway through this season
and going into the stretch run and hopefully the playoffs
playing at that level, that that's a win.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You know, in the like bigger context, like if you
compare the Sedines at the age that PD's currently at
compared to the Seeds at that same age, PD has,
like you suggested, Sean like he kind of hit like
a higher tier at an earlier time in his career,
so maybe the expectations shot up a little bit higher
than what they should be. But as far as like
(35:02):
what age he's at compared to the Sedins, at that
same age he's outperformed them. We'll find out if that arc,
you know, trajectory kind of stays the same way over
the length of his entire career and where it tracks
compared to the Sedines. But at this point he's had
more goals and more points than either of the Sedines
at that same point.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
I know it's cliche to say trust the process, but
you know, that's what I'm hoping is the case with
Liis Petterson, because when he came in, he had sort
of his style, his somewhat unique way of doing things.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
He trusted that and he was getting great results. He's
not going to blow you away with speed or or
size or physicality, but creativity and his shot, those things
he was trusting them and they were working. And it
seems like he's gotten away from all of that and
getting it back is a lot easier said than done.
But he's got he's got to trust trying to have success.
(35:59):
His way as a was trying to remake his game
into something he's not suited for, and uh, you know
that can then just really cloud the brain when he
got all that sort of analysis going on, you know,
and I suspect there's been some of that and maybe
hopefull maybe over time we're starting to see that go
away a little bit and he just needs to start
finding them that a few times, and I think the
(36:19):
floodgates will open. But you know, it's been it has
been a while, and that's that's why people have those concerns.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah, and I think then, well we will tackle the
the incident just just briefly. Here. Teammates fight.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Teammates have like Dakota Joshua and Connor Garland had a
bit of a scrum at the before in preseason or
early last season, and they're like best friends now. Yeah,
I remember, and I'm pretty sure Kessler and Biexa have had.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
More more issues.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
And and being called, both of them calling each other
babies and and other worst words throughout their their career
and they're totally fine.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
If that happens. It happens at adult recreational sports context
where you got guys that are at each other's throats
once in a while. I'm sure you've seen it. I've
seen it about to get in between a couple guys,
they'd be like, hey, we're on the same team here,
what are we doing? This is that competitiveness. It's gonna happen.
It's just more magnified when there's a bunch of media watching.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And like Sean said in our group earlier, like competitive
hockey players are competitive ninety nine point nine percent of
the time. So even if it's in practice, yeah, there
might be some friction that happens, but hopefully they kind
of grow from it and they use it to the benefit.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, I mean I can't think of too many cases
where it's sent the team in a downwards fallen hasn't
been productive in some fashion. So it's a it's a
really a non story. But you know, when it happens
in front of the media, going to report it and
that will generate a bit of a bit of a
new cycle of discussion around it.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
But let me put it this way. It shows that
they give a ship. It shows that they can.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yes, that's the main thing, right, Like what's worse is
when a team's struggling and it's lifeless out there in practice.
I mean that's you know that that totally everybody's totally
checked out in that case, and again.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Another another good good example is just go watch the
first episode of the Prime series where they're falling around
Knelander and compassion act Nee letters miked up and he's
basically calling both Matthews and Marner's Matthews and Marner babies
on the bench in the middle of a game.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It happens.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
That's not the slightest concerning is yeah, but it's gonna happen. Yeah, yeah,
I mean sometimes that's just you know, you know, no,
you'd have to want to you want to know the
full context of that. But sometimes when you gotta somebody
that's down on themselves and they need a little kick
in the butt to stop being a baby, you're gonna
(39:05):
hear those words. Yeah, it's meant to be constructive. It's
not meant to be tearing your teammates down, people kicking
the motivate killing, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Even if it pissed you off, like oh it motivated yeah, yeah,
all right.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
And then a little bit but yeah, it's meant for
a good copris yes.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yes, all right. And then just one more thing on
the Canucks before we move on to a couple of things.
A couple of NHL broader in Shell points average heard
home opener is tomorrow night, on Friday, the twenty fifth
of October. And yeah, so like the what what's interesting is, Yeah,
Brashroom and Archie Bains got sent down today. I wouldn't
(39:54):
be surprised if they both play tomorrow in that home opener.
But the this is where, this is where having the
the Atbasford so close to Vancouver, they're both on home
stands for the next little bit here. They can send
our sheep Banes and Eric Branch from down a cruise
(40:15):
some with cap space now that they got another now
that they are out of L T I R.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
And then they can call them up for the road
trip if they want, Like that's great. And also if
you're in the area, you want to go see some
good hockey.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
HL is fantastic. Yeah, I wasn't unfortunately, just couldn't. Couldn't
make it work to see the Avastar Canucks when they
opened the season here in Calgary. But and go go
hl's good hockey.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
And the Canucks don't play till Saturday again too, So
in terms of getting getting them, you know, some more
playing time and and the crew in the cap space,
I mean, everything lines up really nice.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
To hear in that regard. Yes, it does, all right,
and then NHL brought our angel news Frozen Frenzy on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
You guys, yes, an it no just the Canucstan actually
flip flip flipped on the oilers in between periods and
and the staggers start time? Sure does make that convenient,
you can. I don't think the broadcasters care a much
for having their intermission commercials will skipped over for another game.
But but yes, it does make it easy to flip
(41:31):
onto another game and and check out what's going on there. Yeah,
it's it's it's too bad that there isn't some way
that ESPN and sports that can get together to make
this a thing on both sides of the border. I
don't know all the logistics that go into that. I've
seen some commentary about why are they doing it on
a Tuesday. Well, people seem to forget it's hard to
(41:51):
find a time that all sixteen teams can play with
building availability, so that's a challenge. It's all so an
ESPN event, so it means they can't be having basketball
on that night or some other events, so it's tricky
to do. We've kind of kicked around amongst ourselves some
(42:13):
ideas how we you know, if they wanted to make
it a regular thing, how we think it should go
and ideally be on a Saturday, not have all of
the eight game or all of the sixteen game staggered apart.
But you know, it is it is. It is fun well,
and for the casual hockey fan who has the ESPN
(42:34):
plus of the US and you know, can to contune
into that they get a good, good sample of everything
going on around the league.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, obviously there's gonna be a little bit of imperfections
and stuff that they learn along the way. This is
only the second time they've done it, but hopefully, you know,
at some point they might like it. Like you were saying, Tyler,
it's complicated logistics, so hopefully they at some point can
maybe find a better groove. But ultimately, I think it's
a cool idea and then it'll probably improve over time.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, and said I would.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
I would have loved to see some sort of like
red zone situate north of the border like they had
down in the with espndown in the States.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
I would love to see that up up here in Canada.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
For for the next time they do a frozen frenzy
like that, because that's.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Just yeah, that was fun. That was fun, like on Sundays.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
I definitely, I definitely like have red zone on depending
on what games are on these like what games I
have access to and what games I want to watch.
But it's still being able to like toss it around
to like different things, all that this team's on a
power play, that'd be like, oh and then.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
It just it it would be it.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Yeah, I like the idea. I think there's some fine
tuning to go through. And I said, yeah, like the
don't have.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
To have every game set staggered by fifteen minutes, but
it's it's still it does draw eyes. I think it
does draw some intrigue. And also it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
It doesn't have to be all thirty two teams playing.
If they want to make this right, well they would,
they're going to make this a regular thing. Then it's
not you know, it's not practical to have it be
all thirty two teams playing. But if you had some
you know, I don't know, two or three time slots,
and you had you know, certain number of games in
each one of those, and then you just flip them between.
(44:26):
That's basically what the NFL does.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, sure, well, like the morning the morning slot is
all at at what one start time, and then the
afternoon slot has like two different start times.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Like in.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Yeah, you've got the two o five and then the
two twenty five, so one oh five and one one
twenty five in BC. So it I don't, I don't
mind that, but like it's just yeah, I don't. I
don't think the the all this staggering is necessarily needed.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
But yeah, you know, one thing, one thing that NFL
quietly did this year is set up the schedule such
that there's at least three games in that late afternoon
Eastern time window as opposed to or only one game.
And I think that has something to do with it,
you know, the red zone and trying to get more
people to sign up for that and the pop to
(45:21):
try to boost the popularity of that. But they they
have made sure that there's at least three games if
I've read that correctly, to provide that that whip around
viewing option and ESPN. This is part of this part
of what they what they do with their core programming.
They've seen this with their well most famously with Monday
(45:41):
Night Football now or they have the Mannings on ESPN
two is an alternative viewing option, and they've they've done
similar things like that with Sunday Night Baseball, and this
is a form of it with hockey where they've got
their games that they're showing in the regular conventional fashion
and then they've got an alternative offering. And they must
be pretty haiph with the combined viewership totals there, because
(46:04):
you know, they're pretty invested in it.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
And like, as far as a comparison between the two sports, like,
I feel like it's a cool concept that hockey is
trying to mimic to a degree, but I feel like
it the red zone concept definitely works better with football.
Like it you can definitely, like like John I'm talking about,
with like powerplays and stuff like that, Like there's certain
aspects of hockey that kind of can maybe work in
(46:30):
that in that regard, but I feel like there's no
like surefire way of like, oh they are like a
minute away from potentially scoring a goal here. Like hockey,
I feel like scoring can happen more momentary at any time,
whereas football it's a little bit more predictable. So yeah,
like it's not gonna be like a perfect apples to apples,
(46:50):
like when you try and like copy and paste into
a different sport. But I appreciate the attempt at.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
It, and I think that's why you don't need all
likely all thirty two teams playing sixteen games. You can
three games go at once.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
You can you can work it that way and then
you're not necessarily missing out on a lot. So it's yeah,
it's not that it's not a perfect transition, but it's
it's definitely something I think they can make work. It's
not the first time that we've seen something like that.
I know they have what ice surfing on, like I
(47:30):
think it's a sports net YouTube channel at one point
or was that the score, Like there's multiple things score. Yeah, yeah,
there's a there's a there's a few different iterations of
them trying to do this, and I think it's like
right now, I think they did, like yeah, especially in Canada,
they need to bring it back.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Speaking of that, I believe actually.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
On Amazon Prime on Prime TV, you can do that
on Thursday nights. So it's definitely they are trying that,
and I think I hope that it can grow and
build from that because.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
It's definitely something I think is needed now in.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
Today's today's day and age, especially on busy nights like
on Saturday night. It should be like Sportsman should have
this on a Saturday night with because usually Saturday nights
have like at least eight to ten games, right, So.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Well, with the upcoming renewal of the Canadian TV rights
here fairly soon, we'll see if maybe that is part
of it.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, it's definitely going to be interesting to see how
the new negotiating negotiations for the new contract goes and
like how many companies are going to be in on it,
because we were talking about, like when Rogers got this
one last time, like how that was going to affect
TSN and if they were still going to be like
in forbidding once it expired and stuff like that. But
now with like streaming being as big of a thing
(49:01):
and Amazon getting Monday night rights and that sort of thing,
it's definitely going to be a very interesting situation to
see how that next contract plays out.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Now, speaking to Amazon, I know we didn't put this
on the agenda, but I don't I haven't seen really
much of the two Prime video games that they've shown
so far on Monday nights. But any impressions from you guys,
have you caught any of that?
Speaker 4 (49:23):
I The one thing I really like about them is
that before they're the actual broadcast goes live, they just
have sort of b roll of like the warm ups
and in the arena, And that's very cool. It's one
of those things that you you kind of you kind
of lose when you're just watching on TV.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Just that feel of being in the arena you kind
of it kind of adds that.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
Yeah, I thought that was nice too. Yeah, and then
I do like the fact that they have it. They
have the panel like sort of the concourse in the arenas,
and again it just it helps you feel the energy.
And again it's something that you don't get in the studio, uh,
these studio panels or if you're saying like Vancouver's got
(50:16):
there there, they're they're sort of their panel up in
Rogers Rogers Arena up above everything. You don't necessarily feel
the energy as well as you do down in the concourse.
I know, it's a tough to find a way to
do it. I don't know if they're gonna they'll.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Be able to do that in all arenas, depending on
like if they come to Calgary, I don't know if
they where they could set that up without it. Yeah,
so I don't know if that's again something that can
happen in all arenas, but I did. I do like
that they well they the two games.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
They've had at the Bell Center in Montreal and then
the is it or a Scotia Bank arena, But to
a sponsor behind, yes, so you you have to the
like the like the two of the most like hot
(51:14):
and rabbit fan bases in the league. So you do
have that, but I feel like you should be able
to feel that in most arenas if you can find
a way to make it work.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
You know, one thing that Amazon's learned from from other
experience to have streaming services put on sporting events is
that they they do add their own their own sort
of creative flair to but they don't reinvent the wheel.
The actual presentation of the game is pretty straightforward with
experienced broadcasters. Yeah, you're you're, you're, You're getting what you'd
(51:46):
expect a national level broadcast, I think, without too many
bells and whistles to sort of distract from the experience.
And you know, I haven't seen any of the panel.
I would imagine it's probably not talk and anybody socks off.
Fans will be thrilled when they have Mark Messier showing
up at some point later in the season.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Really, my only major issue with it if they.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
Yeah, and our friend of the show, Ricky Dolly wall will, we'll, we'll,
it'll be interesting the first time the Canucks are on Prime.
We'll look forward to hearing about that. But otherwise, uh,
it's been pretty solid with John Foresland unplayed by play
and the analysts. They've had Andy Petroll again. Yeah, and
(52:35):
one thing about streaming services is the picture quality is good,
like it is not compressed, and it is it is. Uh,
it's good to see. But Apple, like with their baseball covers,
they did a lot of reinventing in the wheel and
went with unusual commentary booth teams and and kind of
irritated fans with that. And I think that's a good
(52:57):
start to a new broadcast. Don't annoy the view were
just just let them consume the product and then then
you can kind of make some tweaks as you go.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Yeah, give them mostly what they want, but slightly tweak it,
not try and change it from the get go.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's I've heard this with brewing. Actually,
it's like if you want, if you want to tweak
a recipe on a beer, make a thousand small tweaks
so that when you get there they don't really notice
that the consumer, the consumer doesn't notice that you've been
(53:33):
even you've changed it.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
So but yeah, it's yeah, it's and and and just
make sure that the people who are in Canada can
watch it. Supports that just saying.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I believe that the audience relations that sports dot.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
But other than that, I know we had one more
thing on the agenda, but I think that's good for tonight.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
We can it's still like I said, six seven, eight
games in the season. Uh, the only thing the agenda
was surprises and disappointments. But guess what we can talk
about that next week when it's we're close the season.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Thanksgiving. I feel it's like a more appropriate time to
have that conversation.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, even next week. But yeah, you know sorry Calgary
flame stands, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
I mean they're there. They last time I looked it
looked like they were. They have fallen off the falling
off the high and the last time I saw it
was three nothing Carolina's three one. They got they got closer.
So a, all right, how do we follow everyone?
Speaker 3 (55:05):
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