What a Hockey Night In Canada

Sean Devin and Kevin recap an incredible night of hockey in Montreal. between the UDA and Canada.

As well as the Four Nations so far.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
And I quote, I'll be there in a minute, give
me a second. Time is relative, folks, Time is relative.
So hey, cheers to everybody in the chat.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Is their division rival. I don't care how many gets,
how many wins they get.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Screw them. That wasn't the take I was expecting to hear.
I want to gush over watching live Chris Tanne. I
think that we completely underestimate the skill it takes to
play defense. One highlight for several highlights does not a

(00:51):
call their trophy make I'm stepping in here. I'm going
to be the across to the old man here. They
need to learn patience. They need to understand the tension
everything in the end, the drama. How dere look at this?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
How is mccam of not good? Even pal?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
You guys need to calm down with this. Okay, you
guys need to calm down with it. They won't play
very hard. Oh they're not gonna check. Oh there's not
gonna be any passion in these games. Oh this is
just a lengthier All Star game. I think all of

(01:31):
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boys and girls. We have a lot to talk about

(01:53):
about the Four Nations face off. But first before we
do that, Hello from Calgary, Sean.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Hello, how are you doing there, keV?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I am. I am very good. I got a lot
on my mind, but doing very well. Devin is back
from the land of Ontario, the center of the universe, apparently, Devin.
First of all, I got to introduce you properly. Pardon

(02:24):
for those of you listeners. We this is how we
introduce Devin. How the fuck are you there? It is.
I'm fucking great, keV. Thanks for asking. See, I like
getting in that first weearword before getting first start. You can.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah you know what normally it is me so yeah, yeah.
I love the love the fact that you're taking on
yourself to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
That's big. I'm rubbing off on people. I love it.
I love it. But yes, uh, we we start with
the foreign Nations and just basically I start with that rant.
There's a bunch of people that got onto the Twitter
x and the social media. We're like, oh, this is
the I'm not gonna watch this. Nobody's gonna play very hard.

(03:08):
Oh my gosh, there's gonna be no passion in this.
Are you kidding me with this? These players have waited
over eight years to play this type of hockey, like
and really actually the last to twenty sixteen, you could
kind of legitimately argue there was a bit of Sean
will understand this wrestling gimmick to it with the North

(03:29):
American team. This was the first time really we had
actual country versus country hockey. And I know it's not
Russia's not there, but I think a lot of people
have been proven wrong because every country has put their
heart and soul and like, like they deserve a round

(03:52):
of applause for the effort that they're putting in for.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
This well bake care and like they they want to
prove that, to prove themselves in a best on best situation.
Yes it's not a perfect best on best situation, but
like it did. Like you've got four four of the
five best hockey nations in the world in the tournament

(04:17):
and majority of the best players in the world, let
alone some of the most competitive players in the world
here and what does that lead to, like an adrenaline
highlight and still have it come off from from last night,
from the start of the first period.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I I was kind of curious to see how this
was gonna go. I knew that these are all competitors,
They're the best at what they do. Uh, the pride
is on the line, especially with uh Canda versus USA,
and really when it buckles down to it, they they
want win. They you know, you have Crosby McKinnon though

(05:05):
those are gamers McDavid, you know, the basically the top
three best players in the world, their top five of
three of the five And it's kind of silly to
think about that now, especially with what transpared last night.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah yeah, let's start from last night, because I think
there's a lot of meat on that bone to chew
right for. And I said this, I'll say this again,
there is no better place to have this game at
this time than Montreal came back Canada. It's just historically
been a place where it's it's the mecca of hockey

(05:44):
fans if you go back. I am old enough to
remember the Soviet Red Army playing the Montreal Canadians. I
remember when they did the tour. That was just incredible hockey.
I'm old enough to remember Canada Cup eighties Evan, which
is one of the greatest games that was that wasn't
in Montreal, but stuff just going on that, the standing

(06:06):
ovations over the years, to the legends, you even go
back to the night that the late great deal of
flour dyed. That night was just so emotional in Montreal.
There's been such a historic reverence, even from a political perspective.
Before the Quebec separation vote back in the nineties, there
was a game in Montreal the night before and that

(06:29):
crowd saying, oh Canada with all of their hearts, and
so there was no better place to have this game
at this time, at this hour than Montreal Cabac. I
will insist on this, with all due respect to the
other cities in Canada, Montreal is the place to have it.

(06:50):
It is just the historic It is the castle of
Canada in terms of this, and I say that with
all the the world, with all of the other Canadian
fan bases, Montreal's just there's something different. It's just a
unique voice that just they just have it differently than
everybody else. And then you you bring in George Saint Pierre,

(07:14):
And how ironic was it, George Saint Pierre knowing what
was become just a few short seconds later that he's
the team. He's introducing Team Canada. And this is all
I'm gonna say about the anthem. And from my own perspective,
if you pay with this, there's an old saying, if

(07:36):
you pay money, you have a right to cheer or
jeer whatever way that you want. And they paid money,
they went into the game. They have every right to
cheer or boo however they see fit. Is that diplomatic?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
That? Yeah? And also people, the people remember remember that
this is what the booing of the American national anthem
is a protest, you know. And if you don't like it, well,
guess what you're you're you're paying attention to to that

(08:17):
and you need to look into why Canadians are doing that, right, and.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, And it's nothing to do with disrespecting people who
have fought for uh let's say the United States. But
it is, it's you know it, it's one of the
only ways that people of Canada in a uh an

(08:48):
atmosphere and in a TV spectacle like uh sporting events
are to voice their opinion. And you know, I had
a conversation with someone last night about Okay, well they
shouldn't be booing.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
They should just stand there and not say anything. I
mean and to me that that is the exact same thing.
So booing or just being silent both.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Have their You get your point across, right, You're not
cheering for the national anthem, You're just yeah, it's it's it's.
It's one of those ones where it is controversial on
both sides. But I I stand by the people who
are able to voice their opinions, good or bad. Unless
you are a diver Dallas Mavericks fan and get kicked

(09:37):
out of a of a game by mouthing fire the
owner's name and it's me that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
So you know, I think it would have been a
lot worse.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
If the announcer beforehand didn't say we need to respect
the anthems. And but I think that really that that
kind of shut some people up for sure, But there's
always still doing well.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
I just agree with that was it in the in
the in the USA Finland game, they did that, and
all of a sudden you just hear this audible fuck that,
and then they start doing the anthem. Should know it
was just more like poking the beer at that point,
but it's it's a protest and for the people who

(10:31):
don't like it, you need to look into why they're
doing it. And there's and to be honest, it added
to the like this the political backdrop added to this,
Like this game was gonna be must watch no matter what,
but you throw in the political backdrop and just it
just it boosted it up with another notch. You gave

(10:53):
it a little more emotion for not only the players,
but the fans and everyone like and and and all that.
Like it's just especially in Canada on on Canada Flag
Day celebrating the sixtieth anniversary of the Maple Leaf, Like.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
It's just.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Like just all those little details just added to what
that just that how awesome and just amped up everyone
was for that first period.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, and let's like I will let I do want
to add they did do the anthem, but they cheered
and saying with passion that Canada as well. And I
think that that is also I do think that that
needs to be added to that story. And I thought
some excellent camera choices focusing. I mean, you're you're going
to do that anyway, but you could see the face

(11:45):
of Austin Matthews. It did affect the players, There's no
question about it. And we'll we'll get into here shortly.
But I but then we get into the game, and
then right off the bat, Matthew could Chuck and Brandon
Hegel go at it, and holy smokes, I was working

(12:09):
last night. Our newsroom just went absolutely bananas. I think
everybody went bananas at the start of that. And by
the way, can you just please give me Florida Tampa
Bay one more time? You can get my veins, holy smoked,
and I'll touch on Brandon. We're gonna touch on Brandon
Hagel a little bit later. Then Brady could chuck and

(12:31):
Sam Bennett go after. And I kind of understand that
Matthew could chuck and Sam Bennet can't fight, so I
respected it had to be Brady and Sam Bennett. First
of all, let's go I called the Matthews Matthew Hegel
kind of a draw. Would you call it a draw?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I'd say so, yeah, maybe maybe a little bit towards uh,
towards hegel, But.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, it was definitely close.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
It was fucking phenomenal And I just want I wanna say,
Matthew Kachuck is a genius, a genius for doing this
because you had the very first game with Canada versus Sweden. Uh,
they were flying for the first five to seven minutes
of the game.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Let alone being in Canada. H you got to expect that.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
You know, they they're gonna come out with some piss
and vinegar as Canada goes, and they they brought, they
brought the It was Canada up here, us down here
as far as like the the tipping scale in my
mind goes. And then ka Chuck bringing it to even
and I thought that was brilliant of him and Brady

(13:47):
to to to do that. And granted the Miller flight
was just like okay that you know, it was almost
two important, was like okay, let's let's get the game
going kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
But still loved it. Still loved it. Sean, I gotta
ask you, did you have a bit of smile on
your face watching J. T. Miller get punched in the face.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, of course, isn't even if he was even if
he was still on the Canucks he's he's he's he's
an American, like like he's just oh like, oh my god.
I was yeah, I think that. Yeah, But the first fight,
I was like, Okay, this is awesome. Then of course
we're like, well, you know, Brady wants to get on

(14:29):
in on this, and you Sam Fannett wants to get
in on this, so you knew that one was coming.
And then yeah, this like scrum after the whistle and
thirty and I just at that point I was just laughing.
I was laughing. I was out of the bar. Just
the whole the whole place was just amped up and
just buzzing. Like I had gone to that bar to

(14:51):
watch Canada Argentina in the Copa America and not it
was buzzing then, but this was another level. And I
have forgotten how awesome it is to be in like
just in a communal like watch party for for for
a better for lack of a better term, and you're
just everyone is just glued to it and oh like

(15:17):
it's just we we went way too damlong for this.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
We did, and the other day.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Exactly, but there won't be any fighting. So that's the
difference here is that they're actually able to fight, and like,
I can't imagine what it's going to be like if
Canada and US be in the final, it's.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Gonna be Boston too, and I got in.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah yeah, and potentially no Matthewka Chuck either, so.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, we'll have to see about that. But yeah, and
then Connor McDavid scores and that roof just well, first
of all, I kind of felt a little. Then the
McDavid misscall was like, Oh, that's what the oiler fans
complain about. Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I think I think every like Canuts fans plays fans
like all, like specifically, I think we're all like, did
that like that? Oh?

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yes, okay, And then then the roof goes off the
place when Connor McDavid gets around Charlie McAvoy and does
a McDavid and scores, and that place just exploded again.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
And then.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
This this is was the Achilles heel. This was my
this was our concern going into the Four Nations. And
let's go back to the Sweden game. Canada is up
three to one. Adrian Campy gets quite frankly, it's a
soft goal against Jordan Bennington. It allows Sweden to get
back into the game and they end up tying it

(17:07):
and this cost Canada a point and actually a pretty
significant point it turns out. But that Jake Denzil goal
that that is not a good goal. And this is
the Jordan Bennington I guess this is also the where
I find myself understanding what it's like to be a
Saint Louis Blues fan. Man, there's moments where Jordan Bennington

(17:28):
can come up with a big save. The man does
he can let in some soft goals?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah? Yeah that first the first goal last night by
it was.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, it was gensol because Michael Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, it just was. It was soft and that's that's
a goal that you cannot allow because it was it was.
It was back and forth. The Canada was slightly better
up until that point, and it just sucked the energy
out of the arena. It sucked the energy out of
the Canadian team. That's a goal that that should not

(18:10):
go in.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
It was controversial start. Yeah, he got the win, Yeah
he did. He got two massive saves in overtime that
we're we're huge too to keep Canada in that game
against Sweden. But man oh man like, yeah, that that's
definitely needs to stop.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
And if he starts again against Finland. Oh hello, mm yeah,
can you hear me? Okay?

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Hill needs to be the starter for for Finland, absolutely,
and and I mean the fact that Logan Thompson isn't
on the team either.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Is Yeah, there's two mistakes. We'll get into the lineup part.
But can we talk about the Dylan Larkin goal because
there's some controversy around this one too, because I did
tweet that I did not like this goal. It's a
Crosby giveaway. Everyone thought I it was a dump in.
Crosby gave it away. Larkin goes in, Harley jumps, jumps

(19:25):
off the ice. There's a line, bad line change. But
I'm sorry. It's a good shot. I will grant you that.
But I do think Jordan Bennington needs to make that save.
That is like, if this is an international competition with
this his best on best, and I think that we

(19:45):
I think my issue is if this was a regular
regular season game, I wouldn't be I could kind of
understand all of the things that go with it. But
this is a game with best on best, and I
think we needed. One of the reasons that this game
was lost, Hellabuck was made, Hella Buck was better than
Bennington and that is a save he needed to make.

(20:09):
If it's best on best. Where is Logan Thompson where
is he?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, y'all, Yeah, he's on a beach sipping my ties
after his big contract extension.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
You know, like it like it's insane how we've.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Gone from broder wah lu wongo flurry price now we
barely there's no number one, there's no number one, and
so it's it's it's interesting to see that trend of
Canadian goaltenders and now we're in a massive lull and

(20:45):
we're like.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Okay, we're squinting. Okay, should it be Bennington, should it
be Hella Buck or I mean Hill?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Then we have Montembeau as our third goaltender. Wow, dreef Devin,
there was a point in time that we were trying
to get a Joey a cord a passport. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
It just it boggles my mind that where where the
goaltending is at within Canada. But Hill needs to be
starting next game, period and stop. And if they lose,
they're most likely out.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
They are well, they're they are out if they lose.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
So there's no risk in putting Hill in because Binner
is not consistent. He can be brilliant, but then he
can ship the bed just in the same play.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Sean Wad, Yeah, I'd go with Aiden hill On. On Monday,
Canada needs a regulation win to clinch the spot in
the final overtime or shootout win will leave the door
open for Sweden to If they get a regulation win,

(21:56):
then they they'll go through. So it's yeah, I think
he has to go with Aden hill I think it's yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
He's I got four goals and he's allowed four goals
in two games, but three of them were like I
would say, three of them were legit softies, and then
another one is one that is definitely savable.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
That's the best way to described that Larkin goal. It
was a good shot just about the pad on the
blocker side, but it's still savable.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah. And then okay, so then we get it. So
it's two to one. And now I'm going to ask
a controversial question because I think there's some people that
are going to think I'm an idiot when I say
this question, but I am going to legitimately ask us.
I think I kind of thought they played Connor McDavid
too much. Sam Bennett played seven minutes. It was really

(22:51):
impactful seven minutes. Though I thought he was he was
on it when he was on the ice. Seth and
Jarvis played eleven minutes. He for me, Seth Jarvis was
one of the few forwards that could penetrate that US defense,
which I thought was absolute. Oh my gosh, that US
defense was phenomenal. Like Brock favor Jacob Slaven. Oh my gosh,

(23:14):
are they top ten picks in the National Hockey League? Wait, no, weird?
Is Charlie McAvoy a top ten pick in the NHL? Wait? No, weird, guys,
I only thought that you could get the junior NHL
players in the top ten of the draft. That's what
flames Twitter continues to explain to us with such high intelligence.
Wait weird, h how odd? Anyway, Brock favor Jacob Slaven.

(23:40):
I think there's an argument to Jacob Slavan as one
of the best pure defensive defensemen in this game. It's
between him and Chris tannev right for me right now.
But that US defense was phenomenal last night.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I mean, McAvoy had on David Oh just beautiful, Oh
my gosh, incrediblehead.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Let alone getting under the skin of Crosby on that
for a shift as well. He just kept on pushing
him down and getting in his base, like man, he's
a gamer.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah. I just thought they needed and that was the thing.
I just thought that they needed more Brandon Hegel thirteen minutes.
I just thought they needed more Bennett Hagel Jarvis in
this game instead of loading up. I understand the temptation.
You've got three of the greatest players that will probably
be at some point disgusted Mount rushmore Lore, but I

(24:35):
think you needed more of your Hagel Jarvis as Bennetts
in this game. I think they should have been because
us generally rolled four lines for most of the night.
I mean, you know, but Kyle Connor, I think only
played eight minutes. But I think that this was a
game that you could have rolled your four lines. Maybe
I'm wrong, definitely could have the one.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
I got to get on this right now. Mark Stone, Yeah,
needs to sit down. He doesn't. He doesn't add anything
to me. He's slow, he's he's good.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
On the p K, but you're gonna keep him on
that top line with it just it just doesn't make
sense to me.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
I've been saying since the start of this tournament, which
hasn't been long. But once I saw the way that
Seth Jarvis was playing, or Braden Point or you know,
Sam Bennett was great last night. I don't think Sam
Bennett should be on the top line, but puts Jarvis
on the top line because you need a mucker, a
grinder on that line to just stir ship up and

(25:43):
get pucks deep. And you know that all those fucking
cliches that we use all the time and players use
all the time, is it they're they're cliches because they're
actually true and they they work right. So yeah, you
can load up that top line with McDavid uh Crosby
in Point, which is a fantastic line, and Point can

(26:04):
be that kind of middle mid guy that you know
has that high end skill and can you know, push
that limit a little bit. But Mark Stone he can't
be on that top line again, he can't now.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
At least not against the States if they get to
the final. I think one thing I noticed is like
there's two there's three players that I think they got
picked for name more than more than where they're at
in their careers, and that's Dowdy, Stone and Marshan and
as good as they have been. They're just not fast

(26:41):
enough compared to especially the States right now. And Dowdy
played okay last night, but you could tell he was
he was chasing at times and he just and I
think it it didn't help that the Yeah, the Canada
didn't have Theodore mccarr so their transition game was definitely struggling.

(27:05):
They definitely struggled to to get to the middle of
the ice enough. They struggled to so I can't have
sustained pressure in the offensive zone. And which is why
I think you guys are banging on on wanting to
have someone who's got a little bit more tenacity and
a four check component to their game in like Jarvis

(27:29):
or point or connect me up on those top one
of the on the top line.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah. My other issue here is and I think that
this this is one on you guys talked about the
Logan Thompson era. I'm gonna I'm gonna bring up the
other error error. In my opinion, I think Zach Hyman
not in this lineup is is an error. I don't
think Sam Reinhart just didn't look comfortable with McDavid and

(27:55):
Marner like Hyman would have on that left side, like
it just he's not Zach Hyman finding his way in
front of that. That's just not Ryan Hart's game. And
I think that that was the other mess in terms
of just McDavid and Hyman have that chemistry. Ryan Hart
just looked so awkward trying to try to be on

(28:18):
with McDavid and mar just he just he doesn't really
play the left side and he looked so awkward trying
to do it.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
It's because Hymon just didn't have a good start to
the year and when they made the selection to fourteen Canada,
he just that's when he kind of started being better
and being that Zach Hyman maybe not of last year,
but of years prior. And it would have made sense that,
you know, you had Crosby and Coutance, right, Yeah, the

(28:49):
only reason why Codance was there was not maybe not
the only reason, but the majority of the reason was
because of Crosby, and that would make that would have
made a lot more sense than Yeah, having Sam Ryan
h Art on that second line or that whatever line
you want to put him on, right, he can play
down the lineup a little bit more, be be that
skill that is needed within the third and fourth line.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, I like some of them players in that bottom six.
I just don't think there's enough speed and enough like
speeding skill down the lineup and when, especially when they
try and load it up load up the top of
the top two lines, I would really like them to
try and like spread it out a bit and putting

(29:33):
Ryan Hart on the line with like maybe Britain point.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I think, Okay, oh, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Especially like yeah, if they can get through Finland and
in the final, you need they need to be able
to run at least three lines pretty consistently to keep
up with the States.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, this was my proposal. Proposal line McKinnon prized me,
Ryan Hart, David Jarvis on the left and Marner point Hegel, Connecty, Bennett,
Cirelli and Stone. Although I guess you guys are arguing
for Stone to be scratched, I'm arguing for Brad Marty.
I know this is Boston. I know that this would

(30:14):
be an absolute pr thing, But I thought Brad. I
didn't think Brad Marshawn was that effective last night, to
be honest with you, I mean, Sean, the duct tape
and VODO didn't work.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
I like Travis Connectney needs to be in the lineup
for the next game. No matter what I mean, if
you want to scratch Mark Stone, I'm listening. I'm opening
to listen to that. But I think it's either got
to be Stone or Marshaan that's out.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, I'd be surprised that they do scratch Stone or Marshawan.
I'd like, I don't think that that would be I'd
be very happy if they did that, but I think
that's on the lower probability scale because I do think
Connectney has a lot to bring and even even having
the the CURRELLI hagel in point line, I thought they

(31:02):
were they weren't. They weren't terrible by any means, but
they weren't amazing last night either, So breaking them up
I think would be beneficial to spread out that that
speed that they have. So yeah, I agree. I think
that you need to be looking at everything here because
this is such a short tournament.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
And I mean, look at what happened.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
With with Sweden, right They switched up their goaltenders from
Gustav's into all Mark after the first period and it
worked out.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
It almost worked out for them.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Oh, I did not like.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
I gotta tell you though, I did not like that,
that overtime goal. I know that was a softy. Yeah,
for sure, it was for sure, But.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
It did say that that change was done because Gustavsin's
fighting something as well. Yeah, so yeah, fair, and that's
the only thing you got macarr, who's not who's not
feeling great, and it's just that's the other thing. Okay,
So let's let's just rewind here. How good would that

(32:05):
game have been if mccarr and Quinn Hughes ran too,
and two of the the two best defensemen in in
in the game right now, especially with transition and puck
and and and puck transition and puck control, and they
weren't part of that game.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Like that sucks. That sucks.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
I mean, if you're one hundred percent right, like you're
still missing out on on those two juggernauts on the
back end there for both teams, and be curious on
how much of a difference either one of them or
both of them would have made, uh in that game.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
And you know that it would have been It would
have been big.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, they just Canada's. Canada's power play wasn't what didn't
The puck movement, especially up top wasn't as crisp as
it needed to be, and the car would have made it.
I think the car would have made a different on
the power play for sure. And then yeah, Quinn Hughes
is just such a game breaker when he's on the
ice and has the puck like it's like it just

(33:08):
would have added added to what was already just an
insane game.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah. Yeah, and yeah that that I think one of
the I'm not talked about turning points of the game
was Canada with all of that within the first nine
seconds they get that, they ended up getting the power play.
And I love Josh Morrissey, I really do, but he's
just not Cale mccarthurton terms of moving to park. Yeah,
and yeah, it was just that was so unfortunate, But

(33:36):
that would have been that would have been huge if
they got up by one with on that power play.
Yeah that that almost that gave the US life and
almost justified Devin Matthew Kudchuck's genius because I think if
Canada is up one nothing, I think there's US people.
I think the US is like, what the hell was
Matthew Kuchuck thinking? Yep?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
For sure?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, and then and for me, I just and then
I just in terms of Canada. I actually didn't mind
Drew Dowty's game. I thought he gave, like considering he's
kind of a little bit behind in terms of where
everybody else is in terms of shape. He's still played
twenty three, he's still got most of the ice time.

(34:19):
But I got to give to Let's give Thomas Harley
some credit. I mean, he's drinking my ties, gets off
the parking lot here and plays eighteen minutes. I thought
he I thought that was a really good eighteen minutes.
I mean again, he's not it's not he's not in
the campus. Some of the top four in with the US.

(34:40):
But he came in and I thought he did a
yeoman job. And let's not forget that Cale mccarr was missed,
but show was shafy a or on Alex petri Angelo too.
Those were two massive losses. And I know that everybody
is everybody is talking about all the people that weren't missed,
But those were two unfortunate injured or Alex t. Trantula

(35:00):
chose to stay out because of injury, I mean, which
Quinn Hughes did, and that both of have the right
to that. But shathied or got injured and that was
that was a massive loss to.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
It was Harley did well, but yeah, just it's he's
thrown right in, right into the fire, right right off
the bat.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
And like the rules that.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
That this tournament have for has for like rosters, I
think needs to be tweaked for the next for the
World Cup, and it was like it's gonna be twenty
twenty eight and there needs to be like a taxi
squad as part of it as well. And I think
once it's a true eighteen tournament, I think you will
see them do that just because it's it becomes a

(35:45):
little bit easier to sell the players on it, especially
after how good this this uram has been already. Because
the fact that he couldn't go out on the ice
while Tail mccarr was on the ice for practice was
just ridiculously stupid. That that that's that's just bad. Like
you want to put you want to put up put

(36:05):
on the best as possible, and you need to allow
for that.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
I think, yeah, Hardy did a great job within rising
to the challenge and him playing eighteen minutes like I
thought I thought he would did really well in that
spot that he was put in, so but yeah, I'd
like that definitely, definitely have some tweaks within the rules,
but it is a good kind of precursor for uh yeah,

(36:32):
twenty twenty eight and hopefully there is going to be
eight teams within that.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, well we'll see what happens there. But uh, you
know it, I think you really have to tip tip
the cap to uh to Harley because yeah, he played
well yeah yeah, the other elephant that it was popped
in the room. And I just want to get your
thoughts on this. Should Tom Wilson been on the team.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Could you imagine start of the game with Tom Wilson.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
I think would still be right now, that would be crazy.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
No, Tom Wilson is not one of the guys I
would have been on there, Like, if you're gonna do it,
you would take him off a Hagel or a SURRELLI
or a Bennett to get him on there. I I
I think they went a little bit too grindery on that.
From the bottom six. Anyways, I would have preferred to
see it maybe a Shifley in there instead of one

(37:33):
of those sort of grinder players. Because if we got
one of the comments here Double Rainbow Salad saying Bennett's
over over Shifley. I think Bennett would Bennett made it
should have been Bennett or Sorelli. And then you have
and then you have you have Schifley on there because

(37:55):
I think you just if you could have had a
third like you could look, I think it gives a
better more more flexibility and more depth in the lineup
for offensive abilities because we only scored one goal last night, right,
So like that whether or not the Canada has enough offense,
which sounds absolutely ludicrous when we've got McDavid, McKinnon, Crosby

(38:16):
on the same line the same team, but like you
can you have, yeah, McKinnon and Crosby as one one pair,
You've got McDavid and Martyr as another pair that you
build a line around. And then you could have had
Ryan Hart and Scheiffley as another pair that you build
to build a line around, right, And it just would

(38:38):
have been I think it would have been you. The
deeper your lineup is, the more options you have to
be able to yet to be able to like fight
through a tight checking game like that the States do play.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, Tom Wilson, I don't think it was a nice
story at the beginning the year for him because he's
played so well.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Uh yeah, I think there's a handful of guys that
are ahead.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Of him before you kind of get to that Tom
Wilson type of type of player. But yeah, like as
far as Shifley goes, that was a big miss on
Team Canada's part.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Uh. He's he's had a hell of a year and
you know that he's not sitting at home.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
He's definitely on vacation and who knows if he's paying attention,
but he is a gamer. He is has that that
hockey i q uh and the ability to play with
the top players in the world. And yeah, like you can,
as Sean was saying, you can tinker with that lineup
whichever way you really want to if you need a
little bit more grit, because he can bring that grit

(39:44):
to his He does have that grit to his game,
so he stiffly is is a massive miss within.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
The Team Canada and hopefully.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
The the GMS and uh in upper Brass of Canada
will take note of that for Olympics next year.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
The other one again, Sean, you talked about this with Graham,
but I mean, yes, Colton Pericho fought JT. Miller, but
there were a number of different options you could have
went to other than Colton Perreco, especially if you were
bringing in a Travis Henheim who was a similarly defensive
type player. I mean, you probably would have ultimately ended

(40:29):
up with mccar Petraangelo Dowdy, and then on your left
side you had Morrissey Tays and Morrissey Tas and Theodore.
But I think for me, I probably he ended up
getting hurt anyway, but no Adoptson would have been a
better option for me. I mean, I think Mackenzie Wieger

(40:49):
was in that conversation. There's oiler fans lamenting Evan Bouchard.
I don't know if I was on that train necessarily.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I just.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
I'm not a big Evan Bouchard's defensive game. I think
I've said this before, I'll say it again. The best
defenseman in Edmonton is not Evan Bouchard. It is Mattias
k Holm. Yeah, so I I wasn't necessarily on that train,
but I do think that there were probably some better

(41:21):
options for you than Colton Perreco, as as as the
as a defenseman.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I don't think Preco played bad, but I would have
I think leaguer should have been on this team, whether
it was in place of Paraco or in place of
peder Angelo. When he got he pulled up and pulled
out of the tournament.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I think he's got.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
His his speeds better than than both Dowdy and Paraco.
His his his rush defense is better than both of them,
and he's not he's not afraid to be physical, and
he's got a really good shot. Like I think it's yeah,
I would have I would have preferred either weaker or
tan of over overgoing with Dowdy or or Peaco.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I think, yeah, yeah, you know what, I don't mind.
I thought Pranco played well.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
I'm just looking at his stats for this year, Like
he's fifth in goals for defenseman in the NHL with twelve.
He's already had almost a career high end points at
twenty nine, and you know he he.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Does hit all facets of the game.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I think he's he's a big body, doesn't really put
himself into tricky situations too too often, and if he does,
he's able to kind of either He's a he's a
good skate for how big he is.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
So I really don't mind it. But I think with
having the with having.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
As many defensemen out as they do right now that Pranco,
I had no problem with him last night or him
being a part of that team Canada, Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
And yeah, I think if you had the line, you
had peder Angelo yet Theodore playing m a car playing
you just we wouldn't be talking about splitting hairs on
on on Colton Creco. I think he would because he
would have been either the seventh defenseman or Yeah, it's

(43:34):
just I think it's it's I think it is just
splitting hairs. But yeah, I think I think I think
we would have would have handled last night a little
bit better than a lot of the few few of
the defensemen.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, just a sidebar there. Well, you know we're talking
about there's a lot of talk about Rassmus Anderson in
a contract. There is a lugitimate to me, there's a
legitimate argument in terms of we're playing better than and
this year, considering his defensive partners for most of the
year have been the law Firm of being Harley and
Marimounta or Rasmus Anderson is played with Kevin Ball and

(44:10):
Mackenzie Weeger is a plus player this year. Rasmus Anderson
is a minus player this year, which kind of surprised
me when I looked into that, because I like, Rasmus
is a minus sixteen and weigars a plus eleven, which
I know that plus minus is a flawed stat but
that is a phenomenal difference to me anyway. Yeah, for sure, Mabe.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
When it comes to the kind of like the smaller uh,
the smaller numbers for like a plus three in comparison
to a minus three, it doesn't matter too too much.
But yeah, the bigger ones, like a minus thirteen to
a plus eleven, that's that's massive.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
And yeah, yeah, just before we get onto some of
the other four nations stuff, I just need to get
this out. I spoke about this in Twitter ex. I
just am getting just more increasingly tired of this constant
negativity on everything. Like you, there's so many arms. I mean,

(45:13):
we did it the same thing. I mean that there's
armchair gman, this gallaty like some people are treating this
Team Canada game like they were the San Jose Sharks, Like,
for good grief, this is If it's not the second
best game, it is the third best hockey game that
I have ever watched with my own four eyes. Including
my glasses and you forget like no Kal mccarr, no

(45:37):
Alex Pretorangelo, no Shay fid or Thomas Harley coming off
the my ties and playing eighteen minutes, Like, for the
love of God, this was just can we just sit
here and just acknowledge that this was an incredible hockey
game on an incredible night and just like like it

(46:00):
some of you are the same people that bitched about
the four Nations and what this was going to be anyway,
Like I think just feel like some people are just
being negative for the sake of being negative, and it
just started. It's starting to really aggravate me. Now I'm
being negative, but it's just can we just sit here
and just say, wow, what a phenomenal hockey game, Thank

(46:20):
you everyone for participating.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I mean, it's so easy to be just critical and
just nitpick things, especially when you're sitting on your couch
watching with a with a beer in hand or whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
It's just is he frozen? Sean? Are you frozen? I'm frozen?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Now?

Speaker 1 (46:51):
No, there you go, You're good.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah, I'm just yeah it at some point needed to
take a step back and just know that yes, you can,
you can, you can nitpick. But you're that's for coaches,
that's for the players, that's for that. If you're gonna
be doing that all for every game, all eighty two
games of the regular season of the NHL and the

(47:18):
extra games here we've got for four nations, you're gonna find. Yeah,
you're gonna find mistakes all the time, but like and
you're gonna find plays that you can see. You can
see what the right play is up above above everything,
whether it's miss penley calls or just misplays. You can

(47:41):
see based off the angle from the from the camera,
but the players may not see it, and the rest
may not see it from the angles they see. Like
you have to understand that, right, So yeah, I think, my, my, my, my.
How I'm going to to say this is if you're

(48:03):
if you look at your your feet and it's constantly negative,
and I'm saying that what you post out there, you
need to stick take a step back, o SI touch
some grass. I know sometimes you can't really see the
grass right now in Canada, right dev, but you just
but you need to just take a step back and enjoy.

(48:25):
Like I as much as I wanted to see Canada
win last night and everything but that game just was
so much fun to watch and being in uh in
a pat bar, everyone's watching, everyone's paying attention. Every screen
is on that game. No one's phones out. There's very

(48:46):
very few people having their phones out and strolling, and
if it is, they're like quickly texting someone and then
putting it away because they want to watch the game.
Like there, there's there's nothing like, there's.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
And oh, they just they can. Like Canada has done
this before too. They've lost the States in the round
robin and I think the last two Olympics that the
that the NFL players have been in and then still
and then beat them in the in the medal round
semi finals and the in UH in the in the

(49:25):
Soci Olympics and then the gold medal game in in Vancouver. Right,
so it's it's not over. They still need like there
they've got they've got Kevin Lanking and the Finns to
beat tomorrow and on Monday. And if they do that
and do it in regulation, they get they get it.
They get a chance that the States again and please

(49:46):
give that to me, please, I want.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
It, you know, with all the negative bullshit, it's uh,
he just gotta, like Sean said, take a step back
and enjoy what great hockey that what it was phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
It was so good.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
And if you're still gonna be bitching about all this,
like the stuff that a you can't control, so why
it's you know, I've always been a firm believer. If
you can control it, fix it. If you can't control it,
don't fucking worry about it. Am I upset the Canada lost, yes,
of course, but overall it's it was It was refreshing

(50:25):
to see the best on best in Canada versus US,
and as Sean said, you know they have they're not
out of it by any means. And if they are
able to beat Finland and go to the finals against
the US, you bet you're ass that Canda is gonna
come and they're going to fucking fight for it, and

(50:47):
that's going to be a hell of a game. I really, obviously,
being Canadian, I really hope that that that does happen
and we're able to see this one more time before
the Olympics, because that that would be obvious the best
case scenario for hockey, for everything.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
So uh yeah, if you're if you're fucking pissed, off
about it. DM me. There we go just a couple
of their quick things before we go on to some
other four Nations thing. You know, just I also forgot
to give credit for this, But folks, I don't think Jack.

(51:27):
I mean, people keep talking about how great Jack Hughes
is in the US the wrong Jack is getting credit
for being an elite center. Jack Eichel is an elite
center in the National Hockey League and Austin Matthews is
a Selky Trophy nominee. Yes, I said that Devin Austin

(51:50):
Matthews should be in the Selki Trophy conversation.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
You started with a swear word and now you're backing
Austin Matthews. I like, what the fuck's happening here?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I know, I love it, Kevin. I want I want
you to wash wash your mouth out with some soap.
Bad for this, uh after this episode.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
I know you know, you know how disappointed Tyler and
Tyler's dad are with this. God damn it.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
All right, No, you are right, Michael is is phenomenal.
I didn't think that Jack Hughes had a really good
game last night. He had little flashes here and there.
I think he can bring a lot more than what
he has.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
I've I've watched a lot of New Jersey games this year. Uh,
and he's been he hasn't been as good as he
has been in the past. So and ichel is I
think he's ever since his uh resurgence in Vegas, he's
been phenomenal. He's each year he's gotten better. I think
that this is going to be a career high for

(53:01):
him in points and goals. So you know, you one
hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Right, And if you're a Buffalo I was gonna say
Buffalo Bills, But.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
If you're a Sabers fan or a Bills fan, you
got to be a little bit upset that he is
doing as well as he is over in Vegas and
look at him on the biggest stage in the world,
just lighting it up.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah. Yeah, Well this leads to I guess we have
to speaking to negativity. We owe to Canuck's Twitter because
of course, before all of this, there was complaints about
PD's game, and then the Miller trade happens, and now

(53:48):
Ketterson's game in for Team Sweden is under was under
a massive microscope for Knuck fans, no question about it.
They were expecting, they were hoping that this would be
the turnaround all of this situation, Miller leaving and Knuck
fans are not happy. This is where I'm at. Sean.

(54:08):
I don't I don't feel he has been as bad
as Canuck's Twitter is making him out to be. I
would actually argue he's been better than Javanajad, but I
think Sweden needs more from him.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
The issue with Peter right now is he's and I
saw this from Jason Bruff on the Morning Show on
six p fifty talking about how he's got the yeps.
I think he does offensively. I think he has no
confidence whatsoever and is double clutching, second guessing everything every time.
Defensive Like, outside of that, he's playing good, solid hockey,

(54:50):
he just is not the dynamic offensive player that we've
seen in the past. And that's a lot of that
is his confidence is absolutely added. It's I feel like
it's slowly coming back, but it's not going to be
like he said, Uh, it's gonna take a while before
that that that switch gets flipped fully offensively, and I

(55:12):
don't know how long it's gonna take, but it's it's.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
It's not yah.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
He is still being a You talk about Austin athletes
being a Selki level player. P D's defensive game is
close to that, but he's just not producing at the
offense at offensively at the level that he needs to,
especially with the new with his contract now, so and

(55:41):
and then that's just the that's the issue now, is
that he just needs to find his game. And which
is why when we I think you you put up
a poll before the tournament started whether or not said
pet should like, whether or not he should he should
play in the in the tournament, and I'm like he

(56:02):
does because he needs more. He just needs to play.
He needs to He needs to play to get out
of this. The more time he spends thinking about what's
how to get out of it and not actually playing
is camera productive for him. So yeah, I think you're

(56:22):
just you're just being You're just seeing him work through
it right now. Unfortunate, and it's just yeah, he he
just isn't the offensive player that he has been in
the past because he has no confidence.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
And if you're thinking out there, you're already too late.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
It's all asked to be instinctual, and you do have
to have that that that swagger and the the ability
to know that you're able to do what needs to
get done. And if yeah, if you're you're thinking for
split second, it's already done, it's already over. So that,
like Sean said, the best way to do it is
play out of it.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah, and now, really, to me, I think if I
was going to be more critical of Sweden, there's a
couple of other areas to be more quitter gross Sweden.
I did not again. I didn't like that all. I
didn't like the all the overtime goal on all Mark.
I didn't think he was particularly sharp overall. I know
that he's had some time off to be fair so,

(57:19):
but that he was kind of put in in a
very awkward situation. But he wasn't particularly sharp. And this
will lead to the other part for Sweden. I'm surprised
they haven't played Rasmus Anderson and I know that maybe
I'm wearing my flames heart on this, but it doesn't like,
you know, they only have one right shot defenseman that

(57:41):
they're playing, it's Eric Carlson. It feels like good stuff.
Forsln is awkward on the right side, you know, I
think they they I think there was an argument of
at least like Eric Carlson's looked really good, and I
think I think they've missed Rasmus or said.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Yeah, I'm surprised that they haven't played him either. It's uh,
it baffles me. I think I said that to you
guys in the group chat there where, like anyone know
why they're not playing Anderson?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Uh, it just did.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
I mean they do have a great, a great top
six defenseman headman Brodein, ack Holm, Carlson Foresingdalen, but I
think that with the way that the tournament has gone
that I think they do need to shake up within
that lineup of something. And Anderson might be the I'm
not going to say he's going to be a game changer,

(58:39):
but it could change the way that they are playing, Right,
who do you take out?

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I honestly, Brodein's played so well, I would say for
h I don't think he's been as advertise.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
He's a great defenseman. But yeah, if you're gonna take
one person out, I think it'd be for le.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Let's see and look, I at the time on ice
from last game and at home was the low low
man on the totem pole there for last game for
for Sweden, and then when you look at the cant
of the game. Here you had the low man on

(59:31):
the totem pole was Brodine, but Dawling was right there
with him. So I don't know that's That's like, it's
the question isn't necessarily why is Anderton not playing? Is
who who? Yet? I think it's who do you who
do you take out to get him in? And I

(59:52):
don't think it's not an easy Yeah, there's no easy
answer there.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
I liked Aiden's blue line going into this tournament. I
think that there was an argument before that there was
probably probably one of the better blue lines. I was
just not enamored with that. For I just didn't think
I mean, they've scored more goals than I thought they.
I was there was no one that scared me on

(01:00:19):
that suite, and for there was no one that was like,
oh my gosh, you gotta be careful about this guy.
And I say them, even being an Elias wint Home fan.
He doesn't scare you offensively. Adrian Kempey doesn't scare you offensively.
Lucas Raymond has looked really good though. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah,

(01:00:44):
they could wear my toronto. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
I think I were about to say the same thing Yeah,
you know both of them are at Forstburg's up there too.
You know, Kempe he's underrated. Jasper b Brat still a
great player. I mean that it said that fourth line
that you kind of squint at a little bit of Arvidson,
Lindholm and Nightquist that you're kind of like, Okay, that's

(01:01:15):
where the drop off is. Like the top six are
pretty solid and it's a bit of Jad has been,
Uh the last two years have been pretty bad. Uh
that He's definitely not been the higher end skilled player
that he has been in years past. So it is
definitely it's it's not been the best. But I mean,

(01:01:38):
fucking Dylan Dylan Raquel has been solid for a late
ad which I actually agree because I thought Raquel played
a hell of the game against Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
He was all over the ice and he was probably
one of their best players. Top three easily.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
The other thing that happened because a couple of things
that have happened here, we've got longer commercial timeouts and
shorter intermissions. I do admit I like the shorter intermissions.
I think the NHL intermissions are too long. I understand
why they you have to do that in some ways
you have to do that. But I I like the
idea of the shorter intermissions. I don't think the players

(01:02:22):
like the lengthier commercials, though, I think that that's kind
of a bit of a bit of an adjustment. Sounds
like any thoughts on that. I really didn't even notice.
It's one minute, I think. I think Tyler pointed out
it's a minute longer for commercials than a minute shorter
for intermissions. Yeah, so it's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
It doesn't change much for me, It really doesn't. Yeah,
but you know, it's it's interesting how they did that
and why did why they did that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Right? Yeah, yeah, Now, but the bigger one, and we
did see this in the Canada. It did impact the
Canada Sweden game. It didn't impact much of the Finland
Sweden game, but there was extended to ten minutes three
on three. Nathan McKinnon was asked about it. Was asked
about it. He said it was too long, but he

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was but he admitted he was gassed by the way
speaking of negativity. For the love of God, for the
love of all that is holy. Nathan McKinnon is one
of the top three players in the game. Stopped talking
about him being selfish he leads the league and assists,
What the hell was that anyway? I yeah, go ahead, sorry,

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oh I was Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I love love having the ten minute over time. I
think it's fantastic. It's better than a shootout. It is
closer to deciding a game in the realm of hockey
three on three. Yeah, it's not five on five, but
you're not leading it up to three players to score

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on a shootout.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
It's just it it to me. It it legitimately. It legitimately.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Gets the game finished in a proper order. And I
think now whenever they whenever a team does go into
ot you know, they always do the whole regroup and
come in. But it's like, you can only do that
for a certain amount of time and then there's gonna

(01:04:39):
be some tired, fucking boys out there that aren't going
to be able to keep up. And then they're like,
it will be decided more often than not in a
overtime with ten minutes than a five minute then shootout.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Agreed. I like that That Cannabis Sweden overtime was awesome, awesome,
It was so good, and yes, I think that that
was best on best you have McDavid and McKinnon going
one way. You've got Crosby going that way, Marner with
the game winner, and then you have Horsburg and the

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Swedes going the other way. Like it's just was it
was awesome? And yeah, I it Yes, it may be
a little bit too long for the players, but then
it's just that's the whole point. You need to tire
them out so that the mistakes happened and the and
the the games decide before it goes to a shootout.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yeah, I I wouldn't be surprised, based on what I've
been reading if they didn't decide to extend it to seven.
And I'm going to make the unpopular opinion here, I
think just to eliminate if it's tied, just eliminate the
shootout and just go with the tie. I know that

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that's opinion, but every because everybody wants a winner. But
if if like, let's go with the tie, let's have
a seven minute shootout. If it's tied, it's tied, like
what is what are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Like like, then then you gotta change the points system
at the end. If there is a tie, then if
they're if it air is a legitimate tie, either each
team gets zero points or you get a win to
four points and kind of tear it down that way
and have one point for each team at the end,
so that winning is prioritized within that and they're not

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just gonna beat out the clock because they're fucking tired.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
If you have three wins regulation, three points, regulation, two points,
two points overtime, I think that that might be the compromise.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Yeah, I think, like, I think you just I think
you just make it three wins, three points for a
win period. Then then then the incentive is to go
for the win losing two points as opposed to having
to go like, Yeah, I think that's I think that's

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what that's what it should be.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
And zero Sorry Sean Frows, I think no, he's thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
No, I'm thinking yeah, no, no, I honestly, yeah, it's
still it's you keep it as one point, one point
for an overtime loss, because then then there's no downside
for you going for the win. Yeah, there's no point,

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there's no like and yes there's gonna be math like
the math of it near near the end of the
game and the end of the season where you're you'd
rather not lose the lose, lose the two points potentially
for for it, but early on in the season, like
there's no there's no there's no downside for go Like

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you don't lose a point if you if you if
you're going for the win.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Fair.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
The shootout was needed, it was a novelty that was
needed after the two thousand and four lockout. But it's
not needed anymore. It is an outdated process, definitely. There's
a lot of I'd say the majority of players.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
And fans are they they don't like to shoot out
anymore because it's it's it's it's a gimmicky way to
end the game. If they're able to find a way
to extend that over time by two minutes or even
go to eight minutes instead of seven. Uh, then and
you know, either have nobody win and you both get

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one point, and then a win is three points. You know,
then you miss out those two points. Then to me
that that makes a lot of sense. It's it's hard
to I always wanted to be a fly on the
wall with those Board of Government governor meetings and you
know what what actually goes on there? Uh and some

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of the uh, the suggestions that they do have because
remember back in the day when they were thinking about
changing the nets and making the top corner is a
bit wider than the rest of the that kind of thing,
you know, like those gimmicky things. I'm I'm all for
hearing them out, but you know, i'd be curious to
see what the solution is here for overtime, because I

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think the them extending it is a necessity, whether it's seven,
eight or ten minutes all together for overtime, But what
happens after that, I'd be curious to see what really
comes about.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Yeah. Yeah, and I also, I mean, I would love
to hear to a goalie expert on this, but I
do believe that some of these injuries were seen, and
I would love to see a correlation. If there's a
correlation between shootout and goalie injuries, I don't know if
that's I don't have a hypothesis, but I would like
to hear see that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I don't. I don't think they're making as much as
many dynamic moves in the shootout then you would in
potentially three on three.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Fair I think one of the other things with the
shootout that just as annoying is that the play and
I get the player has a right to do it
for the love of God though, like you're hanging onto
the puck for twenty two minutes before you're shooting it.
Just shoot the damn pack, Like like if we want
to time limit the shot for something like good grief
or you can't go past the red line. No uh,

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backcourt play.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
You yeah and over and back. Yeah. But even then,
like very rarely do you see it an overtime that
doesn't like even with the regrouping and all that, that
doesn't break down into some chaos and then you can
get the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
You get the goal that way.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
You got the regroup either works and they score or
it breaks down at some point and then it just
becomes a track meet.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah. In terms of foreig nation stuff, is there anything
else we need to talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Just give me one more Canada the US game, please
shout out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
That would be amazing, that'd be phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
But shout out to John Twitterreilla for not wearing a
turtleneck last night. It's fantastic and good on you, John.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
I I'm sorry, But getting back to just the camera
shot after the three fights for John Tortourada's screaming just
was I don't think people realized the historic reference of
that because that was what he's the coach of Vancouver
for the line brawl.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
I was like, where's when you need him?

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Yeah, oh totally just calm, cool, collective.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
On the other side, there's like there's like someone says, like,
is this going to end with like Fittington versus Hella
back At one point, I'm like, if Tortorella wants to
fights and wrecked Hoocket.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Taking him off, I think no matter who Twarts picked,
I think Towarts is probably gonna lose that fight, but
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
The other area, we wanted to chat and Sean, I
know if you have to go, if you want, if
you want to kevn Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Unfortunately, I think we're gonna have to just call it
here Dev. Dev's gotta go now as well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
So okay, yeah, I just got a text I gotta
put out of fires. But no worries. We okay, no worries.
We're gonna leave it here. Thank you everyone. Well, how
do we follow everyone? I am bearing Connect zero three on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
The X app.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
I oh, sorry, go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
You're always last, keV, You're always last. You gotta wrap
it up properly. I don't wrap it up yeah, I
don't wrap it up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Good, okay?

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