In Plain Sight: The Trump-Epstein Saga and Its Hidden Layers

In Episode 6 of 'The Trump Epstein Saga,' we delve deeper into the intricate and controversial relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. This episode features exclusive insights and never-before-heard details from Michael Wolff, Epstein's biographer, who provides a chilling account of their complex friendship. We are grateful to the Meidas Touch channel for sharing these revelations and to Michael Wolff for his courage in bringing these stories to light. Join us as we explore the depths of this troubling association and its broader implications. This episode is a must-listen for those seeking to understand the dynamics of power, influence, and controversy surrounding these two prominent figures.

Books

1. Perversion of Justice: The Jeffrey Epstein Story by Julie K. Brown
- An investigative account by the journalist who played a crucial role in bringing Epstein's case
back into the public eye.
2. Filthy Rich: The Billionaire’s Sex Scandal—The True Story of Jeffrey Epstein" by James
Patterson
- A detailed exploration of Epstein's life, his connections, and the scandal that surrounded
him.
3. Trafficking: My Story of Surviving, Escaping, and Transcending Abuse by Theresa L.
Flores
- While not directly about Epstein, this book provides insight into the broader issue of human
trafficking and its impact on survivors.


Documentaries and Films

1. Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich; (Netflix)
- A documentary series that explores the stories of Epstein's survivors and their quest for
justice.
2. The Mysterious Death of Jeffrey Epstein; (Reelz)
- This documentary delves into the circumstances surrounding Epstein's death and the
conspiracy theories that have emerged.
3. Epstein's Shadow: Ghislaine Maxwell (BBC Panorama)
- An investigation into Ghislaine Maxwell's role in the Epstein scandal and her eventual trial.

Articles and Reports
1. Miami Herald: Perversion of Justice; Series by Julie K. Brown
- A groundbreaking investigative series that brought renewed attention to Epstein's crimes and
the failures of the justice system.
2. The New York Times; Coverage of the Epstein Case
- The New York Times has published numerous articles on Epstein, Maxwell, and their
connections to powerful figures. Searching their archives can provide a wealth of information.
3. The Guardian's Reporting on Prince Andrew and Epstein
- The Guardian has extensively covered the connections between Prince Andrew and Epstein,
including interviews with Virginia Giuffre.

Other Resources

1. Court Documents and Legal Filings
- Many court documents related to Epstein and Maxwell's cases are available online.
Websites like CourtListener and the Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) system
can be valuable resources.
2. Podcasts and Interviews
- Podcasts The Dropout and Broken; have covered aspects of the Epstein case and its
broader implications. Additionally, interviews with journalists and survivors can provide further
insight.
3. Academic Articles and Research Papers
- Academic databases like JSTOR and Google Scholar can provide access to research
papers on topics related to human trafficking, the psychology of abuse, and the legal aspects of
high-profile cases.

Online Resources

1. Court Documents and Legal Filings:
- CourtListener: Visit [CourtListener](https://www.courtlistener.com) and search for Epstein
or Maxwell to find related court documents.
- PACER (Public Access to Court Electronic Records): Accessible via
[PACER](https://pacer.uscourts.gov/). Note that PACER may require registration and has
associated fees for document access.
2. Podcasts and Interviews:
- The Dropout: This podcast can be found on platforms like Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and
the ABC News website.
- Broken: This podcast series is available on major podcast platforms. Search for it on
Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or the podcas's official website.
3. Academic Articles and Research Papers:
- **JSTOR: Accessible via [JSTOR](https://www.jstor.org/). You may need institutional
access or a subscription to view full articles.
- Google Scholar: Visit [Google Scholar](https://scholar.google.com) and search for topics
related to human trafficking, abuse psychology, or legal aspects of high-profile cases.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Shining a Light, the podcast that uncovers the
stories hiding in plain sight. I'm your host, Tabitha, and
today we're delving into a tale of power, influence, and
intrigue that has captivated and disturbed in equal measure. This
is the story of two men, Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein,

(00:28):
whose paths crossed in the opulent halls of mar Lago,
setting the stage for a complex relationship that would later
become the subject of intense scrutiny and speculation. So let
shine a Light on the shadows of power and uncover
the enigmatic connection between Trump and Epstein. Picture the late

(00:53):
nineteen eighties or early nineties, where cameras capture the elite
at various high society events in New York City. Among
the guests are Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. Trump, a
real estate magnet, and Epstein, a financier with a growing reputation,
are seen enjoying a lavish lifestyle. By their side is

(01:16):
Gallaine Maxwell, Epstein's confidant, adding another layer to this intricate
web of connections. Trump's mar A Lago estate in Palm Beach,
Florida was a well known social hub for the elite,
and Epstein was known to frequent the area. They may
have met or interacted at events held at mar A

(01:39):
Lago or other social venues. Additionally, their mutual involvement in
real estate and finance could have facilitated an introduction through
business acquaintances or industry events. Gallaine Maxwell was born into
privilege on December twenty fifth, nineteenth sixty one, in Masson Lafitte,

(02:03):
al de France, France. She was the youngest of nine
children of Elizabeth and Robert Maxwell. Her father, Robert Maxwell,
was a controversial media proprietor known for his significant influence
and financial misconduct, including looting his own companies pension funds.

(02:23):
On November fifth, nineteen ninety one, Robert Maxwell died under
mysterious circumstances, found dead near his luxury yacht off the
coast of the Canary Islands. The official ruling was accidental drowning,
but the circumstances fueled speculation and conspiracy theories, including potential

(02:46):
foul play or suicide. However, the rumor is that he
fell off of his boat while peeing in the water.
The death of Robert Maxwell had a profound impact on
galife and the rest of the Maxwell family. The financial
scandal that followed led to the collapse of his business empire,

(03:08):
leaving the family in financial ruin and social disgrace. Gallaine
later relocated to New York, where she became involved with
Jeffrey Epstein, who provided her with financial support and a
renewed sense of social standing. She became a fixture in
Epstein's life, often described as his lady of the house

(03:31):
and a key figure in his social and professional circles.
By nineteen ninety two, Trump and Epstein's association was visible,
as they were seen together at mar A Lago. In
a two thousand and two interview, Trump described Epstein as
a terrific guy, and Epstein boasted about being Trump's closest

(03:55):
friend for a decade. However, behind the scenes, tracts were
beginning to show in this seemingly unbreakable bond. By the
early two thousands, their one strong friendship had begun to
unravel due to personal and professional conflicts. Epstein claimed that
Trump had cheated him out of relucrative real estate deal

(04:18):
in Palm Beach, Florida. According to Epstein, Trump manipulated the terms,
ultimately sidelining him and securing the property for himself under
more favorable conditions. Trump later sold the property to a
Russian buyer for a significantly higher profit, raising eyebrows in

(04:39):
questions about the nature of the transaction. This falling out
marked a dramatic end to their high profile friendship by
two thousand four, highlighting a clash of egos and ambitions
in the cutthroat world they inhabited. In two thousand and five,

(05:00):
Epstein's world began to unravel when he was arrested on
charges of sexual offenses, sending shockwaves through the elite circles
he once navigated with ease. The legal case against Epstein
took a controversial turn when he struck a plea deal
with then US Attorney Alex Acosta in Florida. This so

(05:22):
called sweetheart deal allowed Epstein to plead guilty to lesser
state charges of soliciting prostitution, avoiding federal charges that could
have resulted in a much harsher sentence. The leniency of
this deal raised serious questions about the justice systems handling

(05:43):
of powerful individuals and sparked widespread criticism. One figure connected
to this controversy is Pambondi, who served as the attorney
General of Florida. Bondi's connection to the Epstein case came
a under scrutiny when it was revealed that she had
received a campaign donation from Epstein around the time her

(06:07):
office was considering whether to pursue further legal action against him.
As Epstein's legal troubles continued, Donald Trump's star was on
the rise. In twenty sixteen, he was elected President of
the United States, a position that placed him at the

(06:29):
center of global attention. Even as he ascended to the
highest office in the land, the specter of his past
association with Epstein loomed large. In twenty nineteen, Epstein's luck
finally ran out. He was arrested once again, this time
on federal charges for sex trafficking of minors. The indictment

(06:54):
accused Epstein of operating a sex trafficking ring, using his
wealth and influence to lure and manipulate his victims. Despite
his high profile legal team and attempts to secure Belle,
Epstein was denied release and remained in custody at the
Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City while awaiting trial. Tragically,

(07:20):
the case took a dramatic turn when Epstein was found
dead in his jail cell on August tenth, twenty nineteen.
The official ruling was suicide by hanging, but his conclusion
was met with widespread skepticism and fueled numerous conspiracy theories.
Adding to the intrigue and mystery of the case, Glaine

(07:45):
Maxwell's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein took a dark turn as
she became implicated in his criminal activities. Victims have accused
Maxwell of playing a central and active role in recruiting,
room and abusing underage girls for Epstein. One of the
most prominent accusers is Virginia Roberts Guffrey, who claims that

(08:10):
she was recruited by Maxwell at the age of sixteen
while working at mar Lago. Guphrey has described Maxwell as
a central figure in her exploitation, often present during the
abuse and playing an active role in it. Guphrey's accusations
extend to other powerful individuals, most notably Prince Andrew, Duke

(08:35):
of York. She has alleged that she was trafficked to
Prince Andrew by Epstein and Maxwell on multiple occasions, including
when she was underage. These accusations have had significant repercussions
for Prince Andrew's public image and royal duties. In twenty
twenty one, Gallaine Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking and

(08:58):
other offenses related to Epstein's abuse of minors. Her trial
revealed the extent of her involvement in Epstein's crimes, including
her act of participation in the grooming and manipulation of
young girls. Maxwell's sentencing to twenty years in prison marked

(09:19):
a significant milestone to the pursuit of justice for Epstein's victims. However,
the story didn't end with Epstein's death and Maxwell's conviction.
The release of the Epstein files in the years that
followed only added to the intrigue, with Trump's name redacted

(09:39):
from some references, leaving many to wonder about the true
nature of his relationship with Epstein. As the Epstein case
continued to unfold, it became a reoccurring topic in political discourse.
Donald Trump and other Republicans repeatedly used the promise of

(10:00):
releasing the Epstein files as a talking point and campaign promise. However,
accusations have surfaced suggesting that Trump and his administration are
attempting to protect him from being exposed in the Epstein files.
During Trump's presidency, Pam Bondi stated that the Epstein files

(10:24):
were on her desk for review, fueling speculation and anticipation.
In an effort to manage the narrative, Bondi invited MAGA
social media content creators to the White House and provided
them with binders containing information related to the Epstein case. However,
much of this information had already been released to the public,

(10:48):
leading to the criticism and accusations of misdirection. The political
battle over the Epstein files has intensified, with Democrats pushing
for their release as a matter of public interest and accountability.
In contrast, Republicans have taken steps to block or delay
voting on the release of the files, leading to accusations

(11:11):
that they are more interested in protecting their own than
seeking justice for Epstein's victims. Adding to the intrigue, a
newly announced meeting at JD. Vance's home has sparked speculation.
It is rumored that attendees included Pambondi, Donald Trump, Cash, Ptel,

(11:33):
Dan Bongino, Todd Blanche, and others. The purpose of this
meeting is speculated to be an effort to get their
story straight and maintain a united front amidst the ongoing
scrutiny and investigations. Before I conclude today's episode, I have

(11:54):
a special segment to share with you. I am privileged
to include exclusive audio clips from Michael Wolfe, the biographer
of Jeffrey Epstein, who provides never before heard insights and
incidents detailing the complex and troubling friendship between Jeffrey Epstein
and Donald Trump. These revelations shed new light on the

(12:18):
depths of their association and offer a deeper understanding of
the dynamics at play. I extend my gratitude to the
Midas Touch Channel for providing these impactful clips, and to
Michael Wolfe for his bravery and coming forward to share
his knowledge with the public. It is through such courageous

(12:39):
acts that I can continue to uncover the truth and
foster meaningful discussions on these critical issues.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yesterday in Scotland, Donald Trump was falling all over himself
to explain when he stopped being friends with Jeffrey Epstein
and acknowledge and by the way that they were friends.
Let's see if we can establish a timeline for this

(13:09):
for both Trump's explanation and Epstein's explanation of what happened
Trump Trump says that he threw Epstein out of mar Alago. Epstein,
by the way, had never been a member of mar
A Lago. Threw Epstein out of mar A Lago and
stopped being friends with him because he was stealing mar

(13:32):
A Lago employees. Someone, remember the press asked them, did
he mean Virginia Giuffrey or then she was then Virginia Roberts,
who became one of Epstein's accusers, and Trump said yes,
immediately latched onto that. But in fact, Epstein hired Virginia

(13:57):
Roberts Dufrey in two thousand and we can chart a
continued friendship between these two men in playing manifests, photographs,
phone calls, and in fact a picture of Epstein at
Trump's wedding to Milania in two thousand and five. So

(14:22):
this relationship that Trump now says ended in two thousand
actually demonstrably continues to at least two thousand and five.
And just by the way, it is that period from
two thousand to two thousand and five in which most
of the allegations against Epstein take place. Now, Epstein's explanation

(14:51):
for why this friendship ended is as follows. In two
thousand and four, Epstein believed himself to be the high
bidder on a piece of real estate in Palm Beach.
A house thirty six million dollars was his bid. He
took his friend Trump around to see the house to

(15:16):
advise him on how to move the swimming pool. Trump
thereupon went around Epstein's back and bid forty million dollars
for the house and got the property. Epstein, who was
well acquainted, in fact deeply involved with Trump's scattered finances,

(15:42):
understood that he didn't have forty million dollars to pay
for this house. Now, if that was the case, it
was someone else's forty million dollars. At the time, Epstein
believed this to be the forty million dollars of a
Russian oligarch by the name of Ribalev. Less than two

(16:07):
years later, this same house that Trump had bought for
forty million dollars was sold for ninety five million dollars,
and it was in fact sold to mister Ribleev. This
is all a red flag of money laundering and what

(16:29):
Epstein did, and he was furious about losing this house.
I mean, there's something about these these these guys that
nothing rouses them so much as a real estate betrayal. Epstein.
After this, this the sale of this house. After after

(16:50):
Trump Trump went around his back got this house, Epstein
began to threaten him. He began to threaten him with
with lawsuits. He began to threaten him with going to
the press and saying that that Trump was a frontman
for a money laundering deal. Trump panicks at this point,

(17:18):
and Epstein believed, and he believed to his dying day,
that it was Trump who went to the police. Trump,
who was fully acquainted with what was going on at
Epstein's house, fully appointed for many years, Trump went to

(17:38):
the police and, as Epstein said, dropped the dime on him,
that is to say, informed the police of what was
going on, and an investigation began, and all of Epstein's
legal problems for the next fifteen years began to unfold.

(18:02):
This story about about this piece of real estate and
there falling out was first published in June twenty nineteen.
It was published actually in my book Siege, the second
book I had written about the Trump White House. Epstein

(18:22):
had recounted this story to me. I put it in
this book. Epstein, at that moment, was in Paris. He
read the book. He called me with some alarm and
he said, said said he was afraid that he might
have said too much. Three weeks later, he returned to

(18:47):
the United States from Paris and was promptly arrested on
the tarmac of Teterborough Airport in New Jersey when his
plane landed. I had a conversation yesterday with someone who
speaks to Trump often, and this person has spoken to

(19:08):
Trump in the last forty eight hours. Now. A really
good way to understand what's on Trump's mind is to
track the conversations that he has with this set of
people who he he calls often. I mean, I think
my feeling has always been that he that that that

(19:30):
Trump needs to think out loud, and and calling this
list of people who he who he appears appears to trust,
even though they might call me afterwards, is a way,
really to say, to think, to follow exactly what is

(19:51):
on Trump's mind. In this conversation that he had within
the last last several days, he said to this person,
people say I had Epstein killed. I didn't have Epstein killed,
Trump said. And then this person said, well, do you

(20:13):
think that he was killed? And Trump replied, a lot
of people wanted him dead. I find this to be
honestly a chilling conversation which I've which I've been thinking about.

(20:35):
The idea that the president of the United States would
have to say and go out of his way to
say that he hadn't had someone killed seems chillingly to
imply that he could have had someone killed, you know.

(21:00):
And there's a way that Trump has often often spoken
about his belief that that assassinations, both domestic and foreign,
have been carried out freely, carried out by the United
States government. And then the idea that there are a

(21:22):
whole population of people who wanted Epstein dead and Trump
Trump seems to include rather include himself in this. And
again it's that it's that sense and sense on the

(21:44):
part of Trump that he believed Epstein knew too much,
and certainly in the case of in the case of Trump,
Epstein could feel in a whole part of the of
the Trump background. The those early days Trump's early days

(22:09):
in the real estate business, in the real estate business
in New York, and the real estate business in New
York is filled with a matter of fact, I don't
know how you're you can be in the real estate
business without having direct connections to organized crime. Certainly that
was one of the things that Epstein talked about. There

(22:35):
are years in which the two of these guys were
just we're pursuing models, models, models models, uh, doing what
what whatever they they could to get these women. This
period in Trump's life when there have where when there
have been accusations after accusations by a whole lineup of

(22:56):
of women. And then this was the period and Trump's
life of his bankruptcies. And Epstein had an interesting view
on this because Trump was forgiven personal loans that he
had guaranteed personally of about a billion dollars. Now, when

(23:19):
you're forgiven personal loans, that immediately becomes income. And Epstein
would talk about his involvement with Trump in hiding this
money from the irs. What did Epstein know about Trump?

(23:42):
That's a foundational question here. And I've spent a lot
of time thinking about the ways in which Epstein Epstein
was a clear threat to Trump, and especially after he
became the president of the United States. But I think

(24:03):
it's also important to think about what kind of threat
Trump was to Epstein. I know at one point when
Epstein had these would show me these pictures of Trump.

(24:24):
Again it was I've described these before but a set
of about a dozen polaroid pictures, three of which I
specifically remember, two with girls, different girls sitting on Trump's lap, topless,
and then at a third with a telltale stain on

(24:46):
the Trump on the front of Trump's pants, with four
or five girls pointing at this, topless girls pointing at
him and laughing. And I urged Trump, I urged Epstein.
I said, I said these you should release these, these pictures.

(25:10):
I mean, if for no other reason. I mean, and
Epstein was already in trouble and already a figure of
of which which which people were, he was already demon eyed.
I said, you know, maybe this will even even even
help you. You can be on the side of on

(25:31):
the side of right here, and and I remember Epstein said,
uh again, chilling at the time he said, he said,
I may be a pervert, but I'm not crazy. And

(25:52):
then he said Trump is a man without any scruples.
Chill went up my back then, And I think this,

(26:14):
I think this brings us to August tenth, twenty nineteen,
in that jail cell. And obviously, obviously all of the
questions about what happened that morning are involved with why

(26:38):
this story keeps going, and the question, I think that
the largest largest question hovers over that is what did
what did Donald Trump know about what happened that that night?
I think in all of the Epstein files, that is

(27:03):
the singular and pivotal question we need answered. Donald Trump
has appointed his personal attorneys to the most important and
powerful positions in the United States Justice Department. They are
his shock troops for doing exactly what he wants to do.

(27:29):
Anybody who has ever dealt with attorneys knows that in
most instances, they tell you what you can't do before
they tell you what you might be able to do.
That's entirely been turned on its head in the Trump administration.
There's no filter. They do what he wants them to do,

(27:54):
no pushback, no consideration. They get orders, they follow them.
Pam Bondi, on her own volition, said that she was
going to release these Epstein files and immediately reversed herself

(28:15):
as soon as a furious call came from the White House.
And by the way, Trump is on the phone with
her many times a day, giving her direct and explicit orders.
Todd Blanche went as soon as the as the Gallaine Maxwell,

(28:37):
the threat of Gallainne Maxwell became real again. On the
president's orders, he was sent down. He was sent to
Florida to figure out what she what she knew. Emil Beauvet,
who has just been appointed to the Appellate Court and

(28:58):
in all likelihood will Trump's first choice to the Supreme Court.
Alina Haba in New Jersey. He was rejected as the
federal prosecutor, but Trump has overruled the courts and imposed
her on that office. These are not just loyalists. Something

(29:25):
else has happened here, something broken, something broken in these people.
During the during his recent courtroom appearances throughout the campaign,
there was one moment that he had had what he

(29:45):
thought was a particularly bad day in court, and usually
he thought every day was a bad day in court.
And afterwards he lined up all of his attorneys, just
made them line up, and then walked back and forth
and then and then and then yelled at them when

(30:06):
when he thought they were fidgeting, And then he finally said,
I want to ask you something, voice dripping with contempt.
I want to ask you something. Have you ever heard
of a man by the name of Perry Mason. This

(30:28):
was not a rhetorical question. He made them each answer
did they know who Perry Mason was? And then he
asked them, I want you to tell me if you
can do what Perry did. And I guess what he
meant by that was Perry Mason was a television lawyer

(30:49):
and he won every case it is in. There were
constantly examples of this kind of treatment, a contemptuousness, a cruelty.
Even once in one occasion, Alena Habba lost emotion and

(31:13):
they came out of out of court and he just
directed a stream of obscenities at her, essentially saying, not
essentially literally saying you are a piece of shit. These
are the same people, understand this, who now run the

(31:36):
United States justice system. These so it is not just
that they are loyalists, not just that they are professionals
who work for Donald Trump. But I'm going to argue
that these are broken people. They understand that if you

(31:58):
make a pact a day Devil's back to work with
Donald Trump, you don't have an alternative to disagree with him.
You are you are his person. He owns you, and
he owns you because he is because of his of
his contempt for you. Stockholm syndrome, I suppose, and this

(32:23):
goes kind of even beyond this to create a culture
in which there is no other alternative but to bend
and break. Now, the the Trump legal circle is really

(32:44):
run by a man by the name of Boris Epstein.
And this is Boris. Is has been in the Trump
circle since the twenty sixteen campaign and been learn learned
a greater level of being abject than almost everybody else.

(33:10):
I mean, he is the ultimate yes man. I mean
there is in the Boris consciousness no no to Donald Trump,
no nothing, but but just just just to be to
be pliant, just to just to actually know precisely what

(33:36):
Donald Trump wants to hear and to be able to
say it. That's what Boris has has learned. And and
he basically has hired all of these these lawyers and
basically is always critiquing them to Donald Trump, critiquing them
on their level of loyalty, and always always coming back

(34:07):
to telling them exactly what Donald Trump wants. So this this,
this is an ever reinforcing circle of Trump Whim's desires, capriciousness,
and always of course cruelty. This is this is the world.

(34:37):
This is the way Donald Trump governs and and his
what he's trying to do. What he has done to these,
to these lawyers is effectively not that different from what
he has done to most members of his own party.

(34:58):
You can extend this to he is now doing to
to UH, to institutions across government and outside of government.
Harvard Brown yesterday with its settlement Columbia, there is it
is government by contempt. Yeah, there's the He needs to dominate,

(35:29):
he needs to force, he needs to people to bend
to him. And he will do this in a way
and does this in a way. I mean he can't,
he can't give up it just he just goes on
the the discussions throughout the campaign, the discussions in his
inner circle about how he treated these lawyers. I mean

(35:53):
it's scared. It's scared everybody to be for one person
to be a to treat other people like this without
a without that that barrier, without that, without that shred
of empathy for other people, particularly people who work for you,

(36:19):
and it has it is that everyone is considered a
piece upon disposable. I mean, he assumes, he assumes the
worst of everyone and proceeds to treat them that way.

(36:43):
And you might think that that would mean that people
would run from him and of course, many do, but
many don't, and those are the people who now populate
the executive branch of the United States government, Donald Trump's government.

(37:05):
One of the many things that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald
Trump had in common was their obsession with the Royal family.
At one point in the mid nineties, after Diana and
Charles's marriage started to fall apart, Trump and Epstein had
a bet with each other about who could sleep with

(37:27):
Diana first. I don't know, by the way, if anyone
either of them ever won that bet. There was a
point at which Epstein was asked to be the guy.
Apparently this was a thing like a job, a position

(37:50):
who would slip into the seat next to Diana at
certain functions when whoever she was with got up, so
she could never never be seated next to an empty chair.
And when when Epstein got this job, uh he there

(38:15):
he bickered. He bickered with with Trump about who wanted
the introductions to also get this job. Epstein wouldn't give
it to him. What they understood, and many many people

(38:38):
have understood this before then, is that the royal family
was one of the great social climbing vectors in the world.
If you were involved with the royal family, engaged with
the royal family, familiar to the royal family, able able

(39:00):
to bring the members of the royal family with you.
All doors opened. You could have access to anyone you
wanted to have access to. This was a This raised
both your stature and the possibilities in your life. So

(39:23):
here were these two guys, parvenues, vulgarians who buy this
in part because of their connection to the royal family,
suddenly had access to all of the all of the status,

(39:43):
and all of the financial circles of the world. I mean,
here were two guys, and again and again we have
to ask this question, how did they do it? How
did ep who came from nowhere? How did Trump, who

(40:04):
came out of came through bankruptcy after bankruptcy? How did
both of these guys yet become figures figures in the world,
I mean figures of enormous wealth and standing. The agent

(40:30):
of their Royal Family plan was Gallaine Maxwell, with her
deep connections throughout British society. The plan for both Epstein
and Trump, this was their mutual plan, was to focus

(40:54):
on Prince Andrew and to ply him with girls for
which she had an unsatiable appetite and money which he
was always short of and in desperate need for now.

(41:16):
This is a key issue right now in the way
the White House is looking at the Epstein scandal. The
fear is that Gallaine Maxwell can tie Donald Trump to

(41:42):
the details of what Trump and Epstein called the Pussy Committee.
The Pussy Committee consisted of Trump and Epstein in their
efforts to get girls for Prince Andrew. Let me step back,

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because I think that this is incredibly important, a historic
note to focus on this word pussy, a word that
they use constantly and casually and meaningfully. This was their

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currency and reward. It was how they saw the world.
This was their point of a point of power and
a point of leverage girls. But somehow something different by

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using the word pussy coupled with Prince Andrew. What this
added up to for both men was status, wealth, influence,

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and royal entitlement. Again, how did these two men, Jeffrey Epstein,
Donald Trump come to be what they are? Well, Prince

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Andrew and pussy start to explain a lot.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
As we conclude this episode of Shining a Light, we
are reminded that the world is full of stories that
hide in plain sight. The intricate web of relationship's power
and influence surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump, and Glaine Maxwell
continues to captivate and disturb. The stories of those who

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are affected by these events remind us of the profound
impact and lasting scars left on the victims and survivors.
The speculation surrounding Glaine Maxwell's potential pardon adds another layer
of entry to this already convoluted saga. There have been
whispers and allegations that Maxwell might receive a pardon, possibly

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due to her connections with influential figures of the sensitive
information she may possess. As we reflect on the events
and revelations discussed, it is crucial to remember the importance
of seeking justice and transparency. The victim's bravery in coming
forward and sharing their stories has shed light on the

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darkest corners of power and privilege. Their fight for accountability
and closure must not be overshadowed by political maneuvering or
the matiations of those seeking to control the narrative. The
Epstein case serves as a stark reminder of the need
for vigilance and integrity in our institutions. It challenges us

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to question the systems that allow such abuses to occur,
and to demand better from those impositions of power. As
more information comes to light and the story continues to unfold,
we must remain committed to uncovering the truth, no matter
how uncomfortable or inconvenient it may be. Thank you for

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joining me, Tabitha, on this journey through one of the
most enigmatic and troubling chapters in recent history. Remember only
when we shine a light till we truly see Until
next time, Stay curious, stay informed, and never stop seeking
the truth.