SF UNDERCOVER COP PAUL LOZADA SHARES HIS WILD AND CRAZY TIME

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Situational Awareness Tactics Podcast. This podcast provides the
crucial art of understanding current elements in an environment to
increase your safety and survival. Here's your host, forensic psychologist
and consultant, doctor Carlos.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome back everybody. Well today we have a great guest,
Paul Lozada. If you don't know him, you're gonna want
to know him. You can find a lot more information
at Officer one eight seven dot com. It's officer one
E I G H T seven dot com, so it's
spelled out on that eight officer one eight seven dot com.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Also found him on Instagram at Officer one A seven
as well. He's got a great new book. We're gonna
be talking talking about that in a little bit too.
He's San Francisco's most decorated undercover cop. He's a Hollywood consultant,
lead protection specialists, and a whole lot more. We're going
to find out a lot more about that and a
little bit before we get started. You know what to do, share, subscribe,
hit that like but you know we like it. Let's

(01:09):
not waste any more time. Welcome to the show. Paul
goes out and welcome sir, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
For having me on to an honor appreciated dot.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Thank you very much for being here. And I guess
right before we get started, I go always thank you
very much for your service.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Too, which really appreciate it. Thank you well.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
So, Paul, I always like to find out what motivates
people to get into these kind of professions. I understand
medical doctor, I understand dentist or optomers, christ, but a
cops a whole different world. It takes a special kind
of person to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
What motivated you?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Was it Adam twelve? Was it Colors?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well, I'm kind of dated, so I'm back in the sixties.
So you I mean, you're talking like TV shows, You're
talking like Dragnet. Oh, you know, we'll kind of go
back with touch. And you know, I always like, you know,
a man from Uncle, you know, Hornet, you know, uh,
Dick Tracy, you know. I mean, so, you know, I

(02:05):
always liked that kind of mystique, but that wasn't really
the motivating force. I mean, we of course went out
a kid, you know when we played cops and rocause
I was always the cop, uh. But for the for
the most part, you know, I've always had a fascination
with guns. My followers in the military, so we got
we grew up around guns and then we're shooting at
the age of like seven eight, you know, and so

(02:26):
you know, it became But martial arts was was the
biggest uh factor in my life growing up as a child.
But like again, when you talk about motivations to get
into law enforcement, that wasn't really the push factor at
that time. You know, I grew up. My family was
a bit different electric i should say, in the sense

(02:47):
that my mom was She had a production company, music industry.
She was a hustler, composed your mom had many many
talents and activists as well. You know. She was a
friendly with you know, like Panthers, Black Panthers, and a
number of other groups. So I kind of grew up
in like this kind of like a different kind of mindset.

(03:09):
My father, on the other hand, again the military, more
real discipline and command sergeant major in the army. He
was a lead initially military special forces, went over towards
the military intelligence to the latter portion of his career.
But his introduction into the martial arts at that time
was he was a boxer. Everyone in my family was

(03:30):
the boxers. My Dass family. He was a nationally boxer,
but then when he went into the military, got into
the martial arts, and so that that's how he came
back from you know, the Korean War, and it was
also in Vietnam War. Of course we're small at that
time or young, so we were exposed to the arts,
myself and my brother around the age of five six

(03:50):
in the late sixties, I should say, Bruce Leep, oh, absolutely,
you know I met him when I was a kid, actually, yeah,
when I was out he was up there, Yeah, he was. Yeah,
he was from was of course, Hong Kong. When he
came out first. Touchtown was in a bay area of Oakland, Chinatown.
And of course back then, because my dad was really
heavy into the martial arts scene, especially in the Chinatown scene,

(04:12):
you know a lot of the seafoods or gung fu
masters weren't too keen about this young hot Chinese cat.
And he was actually like Eurasian because he was in
pure Chinese and he was out here, you know, whooping ass,
you know, taking names, and and he was teaching the
guy jins or the white folks and everyone else that
was an Asian and that was forbidden in you know

(04:33):
the Asian culture, well Chinese culture specifically, because of you know,
like the I always say, you know, some of the
triads and they kind of get into a little mystique
and you know they you know, just like when with
Shallan Temple they had the the Manchurian government took over
and the chain took over the ming and you know,
all the monks were fighting it and they had their
little secret codes, you know, going from the north to

(04:55):
the south, you know, all that kind of stuff. So
a lot of those dudes became rebels to fight against
the government, and some of them you know, started to
do probably the bad stuff. And He's started to legal activity.
So that's how it splintered off from the UH. I said,
Deshaun Munks is non violent per sae, but you know,
they're trying to fight for their lives. And now he's
got you know, the badass dudes. So they're out there
out there, you know, whooping ass and doing what they

(05:16):
need to do to survive. So they have to create
their own underground societies. Anyways, So getting back to the
Bruce Lee thing, so when he came out to the
Bay Area, he you know, I hooked up with a
couple of other martial artists who my dad was friends with,
and over that course of visiting another martial arts uh
Master's school, Rob Castro, who was good friends at bruce
Ley as well. His son Boss is God's son up

(05:38):
Bruce Lee. HEA's older than me. I was about six
years old, and you know, I'm just throwing moves, kicking
and stuff like that. I remember him pating me in
my head, told me he's a good psychkick, and I
was like, well, I didn't know who he was. I
was six years old, but I was like my dad lived, Hey,
I was Doug Bruce Lee. He's going to be something big.
You're talking nineteen sixty nine, nineteen seven. I mean he
blew up after that, going to you know, the big ball,

(06:00):
it's the Fury and then ultimately into the Dragon. So
you know, that was kind of you know, I don't
watch this part of my head because Rusky touched it,
just like good blood but not so it was it
was like wow, I mean, you know, so he did
touch me, touched my life. So going forward, you know,
so martial arts was my thing, you know, growing up,
fighting tournaments and you know, my dad had a couple

(06:23):
of martial arts schools, and it just so happened. A
number of the students that we had with gang bangers
from all over the Bay Area, you know, in San Francisco. Yes,
I grew up with, I grew up around, up and
around a lot of these characters. And you know, because
I was kind of stuck in how to do the martials,
I couldn't go out and engage in their little free

(06:43):
for alls and things like that nature. But still, you know,
I was friends with them. I got along with everybody.
I didn't really pick a particular side. But you know,
in that game and as it applied living on in life,
you know, if you if you're it's about giving respect.
It doesn't matter what click you're from. If you got
that respect, you're going to get the respect back. And
then once you cross that line, you know, that determines

(07:05):
your faith. So in going forward with that, you know,
with my dad had a lot of students that were
with cops as well. My father was a reserve police
officer as well in San Francisco, and you know, coming
up in my late teens, you know, I would teach
a lot of these these police officers and they would,
you know, they talked to me about, Hey, you know
you're pursuing you know, you're going to be a cop

(07:25):
one day. I'm not even thinking about that. I'm thinking
about winning a tournament. I'm just thinking about making money.
I'm not even really you know, doing that. I like guns,
but that wasn't like my you know, safe saved lives,
you know, you know, catch bad guys at the time.
So as I go forward, you know, I started to
realize that, you know, there's going to be a time

(07:46):
when I got to like figure out what kind of
career I'm going to get into. And you know, you
come to a crossroad when you want to you know
you're going to be good, you're going to be bad.
I loved guns, you know, and I said, well, maybe
I can be a police officers. I can make a difference.
You know. I started to see a lot of people
friends of mind going to jail. I see a lot
of you know, I saw injustices. I you know, I
would see police officers, you know, rough up guys and

(08:09):
do what they needed to do. And I understand they're
doing their job. And I'm a teenager and I don't
want to get caught up in the midst of whatever
else is going on at the time. So and you know,
I was with a couple of guys one time, and
I remember I got stopped and we were in a fight.
We had a big fight with some guys. And I
remember the cop. His name was Crazy Dragon, White guy.
We were six too. He was a daily see police officer,

(08:33):
and even me from the croating tournaments, you know, and
then we had a big fight. Time pulled me to
the side and he said, what are you doing. You know,
you're fucking around with these guys. You're gonna get an
indep in jail, and you know, hanging out with these
kinds of characters, and you know, you should really consider,
you know, getting your act together, and hey, maybe you
can become a cop. I'm like, oh shit, that might

(08:53):
be a good idea. And I was thinking, well, you know,
you know, going forward, I have to like get some
kind of training. I didn't. I mean, I got out
of school real early, took the gd got out in
seventy eight. I sure got out in nineteen eighty, so
I was way ahead of the game. So my thing
is at sixteen, I'm trying to work, I'm trying to
make money. I'm paying bills already, you know at that time.
So I started to try to create or figure out how,

(09:16):
you know, I can maneuver my way towards law enforcement.
So I said, well, you know, in doing training martial arts,
I started to study, started to do my own studying
on you know, taking classes I was able to. I
was allowed to, at the age of seventeen go to
the California pinot Co eight thirty two courts. So you know,
it's kind of like the pre class before the academy

(09:39):
and or somebody's going to like pursue you know, like
a like a probational officer type of job in law enforcement.
So I took the class seventy nine and I think that,
you know, it kind of got me like, Okay, this
is something that I want to do, so I continue
to pursue. That got into against a better judgment of
my mom because like she was kind of actually she

(09:59):
hated the police. I mean, she was always talking about,
you know, all these cops are going to get you,
the cops of this, the cops of that. So on
one hand, my dad's a reserve cop. They always fight anyways,
So my mom didn't like that idea. And then you know,
not express an interest that you know, I wanted to
pursue of possible career law enforcement. You know you're gonna
get shot immediately. It's not worth it. Cops don't get

(10:21):
paid enough, you know, all that kind of stuff, and
they're dirty, you know. So his mom said a lot
of stuff, so they kind of like I was kind
of wrestling with that issue during that time period, but
you know, hey, I need to work. I need some stable. Uh.
At that time, I was about to have my first
kid and around eighty three, and I said, you know,
so just prior to I started taking a test. Because
you can't take you can't get police talk to you're

(10:42):
twenty one. So I started taking test to take a test. Uh.
Every agency you can imagine they area, uh, San Francisco
being one. So I said, well, I have to help
along this process. You know, I'll get in as a reserve.
So I got in as a reserve with the San
Francisco Sheriff's Department initially ever about a year and a half,
and then I switched from there to essentially the police

(11:04):
department as a reserve cop. And then finally I get
picked up in the number of eighty six at the
full time police officer.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's a great kind of wild.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Right, So you know, and during that course, I had
to cut off everybody that, you know, everybody who who
I believe were doing something bad, and I told him
and I had, you know, I runners with partners that
you know during the game and all that stuff, and
it's like, hey, you know what you're going You're gonna
bust me. You're gonna take me out the game. Now
get you the police. Yeah, if you and if you
my vicinity and stuff, I guess I have to if
you you know, doing stuff. But for the most part,

(11:35):
I mean, you guys know how I am as a person.
I mean, if you know, if you're on the raid
and you're doing dirt, it's a game cat and mouse game,
and you're gonna get caught up in it.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Man.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
You know what you're getting into, So you need to
know what the consequences are. I know what I'm doing,
so I don't even know what the consequences are what
I'm gonna do. So it's we're on an even playing
field and you know, game recognized game. I'm gonna respect you,
you respect me back. So getting into police tourn and
I lost a lot of friends for the most part.
But hey, if during my friend after the fact, you

(12:03):
wined my friend in the beginning. So getting into the
police department, you know, that was an eye opener just
coming in. If I had realized back then, but I
mean now, I might have taken another course in the
sense that I would have, you know, really prepared myself mentally,
spiritually for all the the ship I was going to
come across over the course of you know, I had

(12:25):
a thirty seven year career. I just technically why not
technically I did retire October twenty twenty, so you're talking
eighty three to twenty twenty. That's a long period of time.
But you know, getting into the police department, like I said,
was an eye opener. I was really young looking at
the time I got in. I got recruited right into

(12:46):
working vice. In my college, I started buying drugs and
you know, uh, solicitor hookers real quick. So you know,
if I looked real young, so nobody thought I was
a camp So I would do that simultaneously, right out
right out the academy and while I worked uniform, so
I worked at a ship whatever my my course of
training was. And then I'd worked undercover for overtime, so

(13:07):
that was basically my beginning the first few years. Well,
actually it was. It was cut short real quick when
I got shot in Tour of eighty seven. Immediately I
was like, literally I was four years technically in law enforcement,
but with the police department, I was probably seven months
in the earth, maybe like nine or ten months into
the game. I get shot my partner three fifty seven magazine, boom,

(13:30):
right in the leg, Snap my femur right in half,
right leg man, So right there, I'm like lying in
the locker room. You know, he you know, he actually
and shot me. So they stay. But it was like
one of those let me show you my gun. I
turned on Okay, hold on Boom, I get shot. I'm
laying on the ground and I took a step, snap
like the scorpion, and I'm like laying on the ground.

(13:51):
I'm like, dude, call the fucking ambulance. Man. He's shaking
hold of the gun, you know, I said, dude, call
the ambluance right down. And I'm looking. I'm not seeing
any blood in my leg, and I'm freaking the fuck out.
I'm wondering, well, ship is that bullet running through my body.
I'm thinking it's like an ar FI at the two
two three round. Not knowing. I'm like, I don't know
what's going on. Man, I'm in shock. You know. I'm
looking at my pants. No blood, zero coming out, but

(14:15):
my leg is crooked and I'm like, oh shit. Next thing,
you know, one of my other guys comes to the
swat dude comes in, Tom Baloney. He said that bite
this bullet, bite this bullet. I'm ship. I'm like like
reliving like a scene from a Vietnam movie, you know,
watching dude biting a bullet. It it's gonna stop the pain.
I'm biting onto the bullet, cracking my tooth and ship.
And the next you know, paramedics come in and next

(14:36):
you know, they they dose some stuff on the ground
and they start this would flip me out where they
they started cutting my pants had a pair of hundred
dollars back then cashmeer and baggies and they cut in
my pants and I'm like, can you pull it off please?
They're like special maid. Now they ripped my pants. Well,
next you know, some of that cash mirror good material

(14:56):
was stuffed in the hole in my uh entry boot.
That's why the blood was a kind But when they
pulled off that pant came out like a you know,
like a fountain, the clothes flying up. Hip about fainted
at that point. Next, you know, the guy says snap
it and I didn't know what he meant, and he
took my leg because it was like cricket. They went
snap and then they went back straight. I'm like, that's

(15:18):
when the pain goes right to the brain. You're right.
So I was like, they got me boom to me
inside the bath and instead of excuse me to the ambulance,
boom high tail into the hospital emergency. Well it was
just a rough row sentensus. You know, they get all
this money to fix them streets, they still fix them streets. Hoottholes.
Boom booms on my legs, right, so I get there finally.

(15:43):
The only unfortunate part of it was that they had
a bombing. Incidents can't on teahouse, you're talking. This is
like October of nineteen eighty seven. So somebody set a bomb,
blew it up, and everybody was blown up, was injured.
So the emergency room was filled with victims from that.
So we have a copper that has been shot and
of course, you know we're at the ghetto hospital. It's like, uh,

(16:05):
you're gonna have to wait. We have some other victims
here we need to do with. So basically I'm sitting
in on the burney just waiting to get inside there. Well,
they're you know, getting my legs wrapped up and they're
just holding holding it down. So fast forward. Next thing
you know, I'm inside the room. They say they can't
give me no payments, so they can't give me nothing

(16:27):
to get a goot, brother, can you give me some
of Yeah? I was asking them, Hey, can you give
me some medication or some kind of painkills that's killing me? Man?
It was like the paint. We just just you know.
They said no, they couldn't because if they gave me something,
I'd wake up during surgery. I'm like, okay, whatever. I

(16:47):
didn't understand that I'm not a doctor. You might know
more about that procedure, but h I said okay whatever.
So next thing you know, they wheel me in the room.
Just to go fast forward, like two hours later, he
wheel me in the room. They shut in the leg
with some stuff though, because I couldn't feel it my
leg at all. I could feel everything here, but I
couldn't feel my leg down. Next you know, this guy
breaks out a black and decker drill, so I was

(17:08):
like that big he says, drilling. I see this big
drill and he's like he's drilling into my leg and
I can see the expressions on his face and he's
like bands in his head, the veins in his arm.
He's just drilling through my shin.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
They didn't knock you out at this point.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
No, I'm watching this stuff right. So I see this
guy's he's drilling and he goes all the way through
and then all of a sudden, he goes you can
see him pulling out the bone narrow right, and I'm
like about to pass out. And then he breaks out
a boat and he starts screwing into my leg shin
a bolt around this long. So by the time he
gets it inside, it's I look like Frankenstein with the

(17:44):
boat put in my shin. So next thing he go traction,
they take my leg and then they just pull it out,
so my whole leg yank it out, So now my
leg is straight. IM about to pass out. Next thing,
you know, you know right, and next thing you know,
just the Filipino nurse comes in and says, we need
to get a urine sample and I'm like, oh god,

(18:04):
I can't pee after that, you know, say anyways, I'm
trying real hard. She said, if you don't, you can
get a capture too. I'm like, oh shit, hell no,
I don't want that, So I'm trying real hard. I
fill it up a little bit. Next thing, you know,
you know, it's your turn. I go. They wheel me
inside the doctor eating room. They count backwards to like
I don't know ten, and I'm done, And the next

(18:26):
thing I wake up, surgery is done. But fortunately the
doctor doctor day, she was ahead of her time. They
didn't want to put me in a cast, you know,
they kept it. They just wrapped my leg up and
then she said, you know basically that you know, hopefully,
because I don't want you to get attrophied and your muscles.
You know, we knew you were a martial artists and stuff.
We want you to be able to, you know, continue
on with your job, which was promising. Unfortunately, I get

(18:48):
the police physician and all the paper tigers come from
the police department come the next day and they say, well,
you need to consider retiring. Uh, you know, to your
end of your career. You never do martial arts, the
police edition. One leg is going to be shorter than
the other. You're gonna walk with a lamp, you know.
So they give me all this very depressing traumatic information

(19:08):
sometime to digest this, deal with this pain. And I
had to come up you know, you know, thank god
my based astronomy and said, you know what, I'm gonna
get through this. This is just a little step back,
you know, you know, prepped me for the comeback. So
I'm just basically going to just fight this. So I
came back to work four months later, did my own rehab,

(19:30):
you know, but grace god, I was able to just
push forwards. I came back to full dude to work.
My leg was still bleeding, though I didn't tell nobody,
but the scars, the stitches were healed. But you know,
if I too much pressure, you can see like the
little blood coming out. It was like it's wild man.
And I said, but you know what, I'm gonna still
fight this. I'm going to you know, I'm going to
work as a cop. So I continued off with as

(19:52):
a police officer from there forward to eighty. I came
back to work basically February of nineteen eighty eight. I
was out for like about four months. I came. I
had a little bit of a limb, you know, and
they were like, oh, man, what's wrong with the studio?
You know, your stupids, And I said, no, I'm gonna
I'm gonna be a cop. Man. I was a copart.
I'm gonna finish my career. So I went on from
that point to just have one hell of a career, man.

(20:14):
I just uh I went after that. Within a year,
I went to the gang. I transferred to with my partner,
to Harness Point, which had at the time with Crackwalls
in eighty eight eighty nine. It was a blatant man.
He was just like Died City, you know, wild Wild
West in San Francisco. Everybody's fighting over drug turf. You know,
you had you had just prior to that, we had
all the Colombians and everyone else's before the Mexican cartel

(20:37):
got into action. He was dropping off dope man, like
you wouldn't believe. And you know with the Rick Ross
and all that other kind of stuff from uh right,
remember that thing. So those same guys man, uh right,
there you go. Oscar you know, blanding all this Castiday
was up in San Francisco, you know, doing doing big moves,
and a lot of people that I had new associated

(20:58):
with were dealing with these you know, doing all you know,
being really involved in that big dope game. Anyways, so
I got in, you know, I started doing the game.
I was focused on all the gang stuff, and then
I got recruited out at that stage a round because
I still doing other cover stuff and I got a
reputation of being really good. You know, I can blend
in whatever, you know, white, Chinese, Mexicans, black, whatever, Asians.

(21:19):
I can just insert myself. You know, I had a
pretty good gift to gap and you know, from being
in the martial arts and being able to train and
knowing people all over the place, I was able to
insert myself without you know, uh any signs of detection
per se, you know, and you know with somebody, some
people knew them, I mean close people knew I was
not everybody that I went to the police. They thought, okay,

(21:40):
you know, all associated with X, Y and Z. You know,
he never would do this, and and you know that's
what we catched a lot of guys by surprise. So
as I went in, I went undercover. Eventually, Uh, from
doing all the gang stuff, I got to recruit to
work organized crime. I was working fencing, So I got
into a fencing detail, which is basically you know, like
stolen property. So we would turn around and in set

(22:03):
up a shop. So I would go out to some
of the big ballers guys and I would you know,
sell them guys when we were fenced, I'd sell them
stolen rolex the jewelry. And then in turn, right after that,
you know, them find stuff knowing that it was stolen.
We get search once and going to get all the
other goodies that were taking the robberies, burglaries, you know, extortions,
whatever the case would be. So you know, I did

(22:25):
that for about a year, you know, undercover, and of
course we'll go the other agencies, you know. I decided
to New York and New York PD ATF I mean
I was, I was go over the map during at
that time. From there, I went back again all gang stuff,
back to the worst areas that I just focused my
I became an extra subject matter expert on San Francis

(22:46):
for gangs and also in internationally because everything like especially
with the triads and the agents in the martial arts.
I knew about all these we fighting, we do underground fighting.
We go to different gung fu schools and fight. You
guys were part of the try, so I knew, I
knew leadership. I knew the guys who were you know,
guys are running guns, the guys who were doing heroin,

(23:06):
the ones who were running a prostitution, and I knew
them from fighting them, you know. So I was like,
you know, in doing an undercover, I mean I couldn't
always go undercover into their world, so I'd have to
like recreate a different persona or a different identity, So
I wouldn't basically hit the ones like in San Francisco.
I would go for the guys who in Oakland, La, Chinatown, Seattle.

(23:27):
But like I said, New York, you know. And then
the thing is too, you know what, when you know,
when you're going undercover and you're taking up a particular
type of identity and stuff, you just got to play
it all the way too. You know, they're gonna they're
gonna look at you, like not know you from somewhere
and yeah, yeah I met you at so and so
or whatever. As you just got to keep it rolling,
you know, you got to keep guessing. And then a
lot of times, you know, in the course of participating

(23:50):
whatever type of investigation, you got to be two three
steps ahead of the game. So I would already know
the fac total background of the guy beforehand, and so
when I get into his world, so I know what
it's like, flights are and with a little bit of
you know, rass of dazzle. You know, they say, if
you can't dazzle them with brilliant and grafrom bullshit, to
keep it rolling, just keep it rolling. So these guys
had to keep him guestsing all the time, you know,

(24:11):
But he got me through save by last a few times,
and it's just a matter of just taking it to
uh to take them to another I say round. But
after that with the gang stuff, which we turned around
maneuvers from from the gang where I got like got
yanked into a uh uh. They called the TIU of
tactical investigation, kind of like the L A P. D.

(24:34):
S I S. Team. So for about nine months, you know,
we'd follow a burglar, kitch him in the act, follow
a robber bank robert kitsch him in the act, or
break this, you know, going out to high end murderers
as well as like dirty cops. So I had to
go out to dirty cops too, So I'd go under cover,
and you know, they're rolling over dope dealers. You know,
I'd be the dope dealer whatever corner, and some of

(24:56):
these guys, I would think they would know who it
was after seeing me for a while. But you know,
some guys do you know, as the art in this
day and age, they just put the blinders on and
just looking forward. You're only looking at what the task
at hand is. You know, respond to the call, get
back to the coffee shop, you know, that type of thing.
You know, it's very unfortunate that and those same guys

(25:16):
I think, you know, as trainers or ftos kind of
like push that agenda forwards because you see some of
these guys now that are replicating the same type of
methods of policing. And it's very unfortunate. You know, there's
like no gumption when nobody wants to just get out
there and do the job. And I understand because of
the liability that that you know, that comes with the

(25:38):
job currently, you know, and it's just it's going after everybody.
But you know, The fact of the matter is if
you understand the job and you really work with this
within the system and then take it like a tactical assignment, man,
you can do you can you can overcome the certain
this current state of affairs that's really fucking up the
world with policing. I mean, it's unfortunate. I see my son.

(26:02):
My son's been in law enforcement for the last sixteen years.
You know. He he's in Shafre, the Sheriff's sen Sriff's Department,
Uh does the fugitive team, doing excellent job, great investigator,
you know. And he's a junior man, so he's doing
his thing. So he's coming across crooks all the time.
Is that they look at the name and go shoot
and look at him like, oh damn, that's pop, so
that you know. But the thing is, I mean, outside

(26:24):
of having my name, my son and I'm proud of him,
he's earned his own right as a as a peace
officer and doing what he's doing. I'm proud of extremely.
But of course I worry too because of the state
of affairs that's going on. People, you know, they're looking
for excuses to come at cops whatever the case may be.
You know, their their perception is their reality. Although you know,

(26:44):
you know, being in this particular career, there's always you know,
multiple views to whatever activity or action that takes place.
So going back to what I was saying, so I
did all those us. I went to a special homicide
unit and all we did was it was twenty two unsolved,
thirty two homesides nineteen ninety five or nineteen ninety four
to ninety five. It was the city was running them up. Man,

(27:06):
people just killing each other, gang banging. So mayor Willie
Brown at the times that you know, this ain't happening,
you know, there's I think there was a uh it
was a white lady was was injured as a results
on one of the shootings, and it was like, ah,
that ain't taking place. We need to dress this like
real quick. So they know, to the renowned homicide and
inspecters Poland Hendricks and uh Earl Sanders. I mean, these

(27:30):
are the top not these guys were the man the
man in San Francisco investigations. So they reached out to me,
and you know, because you know, I ran a bunch
of teams and I had a bunch of great partners
that I had worked with, and they say, Paul, you know,
we want to do X, Y and Z with you know,
what do you think And I go, oh, yeah, absolutely
we can. We can knock this down. I said, we
just have to have the team, the best of the best.
And they said, well, you guys only be afforded and

(27:53):
six guys six six guys, And I said, well, we're
gonna have to have some real, real heavy hitters on
this team. So it just you know, it ended up
the guys that I had worked with. Man, they were like,
you're at the top of the game, a partner in
nash balancing, like both Team mc millan, Bob McMillan, Field Pond.
There's like six of us. So they put us together

(28:13):
and our whole job was to go after these and
solve the thirty two one solved homicides. Over the course
of the next twenty two months, we saw actually solved
all of them, made over thirty plus homicide arrest took
off eight hundred guns off the street, another I don't
know couple of thousand felony arrests during the course of that.

(28:34):
I mean, we just kicked ass. And of course during
the course of that, you get all the haters, not
only from the street and the crooks, but from the cops.
So you gotta remember now, you know, if you're working
like an if you're an elitist and you're working like
an elite team of task force and tops, can you
know at tested this you're couldn't have these guys that
just sh all those guys are dirty. They're doing X,

(28:55):
Y and D to get the job done. You know,
they'd put newspaper articles and where cowboys, she can endure,
violating rights and you know all the good stuff. Well,
none of us went to jail, none of us who
brought up on charges. So that was all a bunch
of bunches smoke. But okay, let him let them have
it for that. But so they ended up spanding our
union because of politics. Real, yeah, this is there's no

(29:18):
gang problem. I got you know, this is no gang
problem in San Francisco. I'm like, what this man a right?
So again politics, right, So they spand our union and
everybody gets shifted all over the place. I ended up like,
you know, I'm getting pissed at this part. I'm starting
to realize the political uh you know, nepotism, the political

(29:39):
corruption with on our Department and other entities within the
city and how we're starting to operate. So it's like,
can they want to put a band aid effect? Black
and black homicides in San Francisco were really just mischi used,
you know, unfortunately. So this is the banded to make
a look we're doing some big stuff and then we'll
take these cops and use them escapegoads. Okay, these are
the guys, these are the villains. But it goes are

(30:00):
our team we had. We're all minorities except for two
white guys in our unit. So you know what I'm like, well, okay,
well we're all racist. We're going out here doing this,
you know. But that's the picture they wanted to build. Uh.
And you know but during the course of that, the
one blessing won't had many blessings. I was doing God's working,
going out to murders. We're catching them like there's nobody's business.
I mean, these guys and guns. I mean my whole

(30:20):
thing was those games always gonna be out there, and
I was a good narc I was, you know, taking
out you know, hundreds of kilos and all that good stuff.
But we're never going to put a stop to that
that's just going to continue on. I mean, you heard
all the conspiracy theories. We know most of it's true,
and it's just it's a money making machine and ain't
gonna stop. You know what I mean is it ain't
gonna stop. You know, you can try you want. I mean,

(30:42):
everybody the victory, Oh we got you know, ten keels
and that's a victory. Then next time we get five
rocks of crack cocaine. That's a victory too. You know
it was a murder who had it? I mean, so
you know, you go back and forth with this, so
that again, I say, with the blessing. So in the
course of that work in this unit, it's called Crush
Crimes onto the Unit to Suppress Homicides. Everybody thought we

(31:02):
were trying to copy Crash down in LA, but Crash
was a little different. Crash with the guys that were
the jump out boards. You know, they had the jeans,
they have a little wind breakers at LAPD. You know,
Crash they jump out, you know, jump rush some boys
or tick they dope and you know, they do things.
But they're good costs there and they're out there putting
their lives on the line. Some of them want a
little sideways. Just like in any other any other department,

(31:25):
corruption happened. What you got to do? You know which
way you gonna do. So while I was a copy
in and crushing, I got called in from one of
my supervisors who was a lieutenant at the time, and
he ran in detail for the movie details. So he
give out the permise so people can film movies. So
he said, hey, part I got a couple of guys
here man meet uh to arrived the one in the

(31:48):
Robert Junior partner I used to have a cadillact Caliac
And I said, okay, check them out. So he goes
meet him on the front. So I go to the meeting.
I tell my party goes no, no, no, no, no,
we don't want to know. We don't know reporters with us,
And I said, how do we better get it? Because
meat overtime? Man, I mean, you know this is money, man,
It's all about money, you know, so you know, so
every time it was like, it's kind of I mean,

(32:08):
I have to see it. I have to admit it.
It means like every time we made a felony rest,
you know, you'd be like a little money sign on
your head if we've gone them with you know, two
rocks or three ounces. You're talking court eliminary errand trial
motion of revolt. You're talking four grand and overtime. But
you're talking, you know. So it was like a money game.
And he's like, you're looking at it. It's like, Okay,

(32:30):
every arrest, we're gonna make it a good arrest. There's
bogus ones. You ain't making ship, you know what I mean.
But you know, for the most part, you know, And
then I would flip them. Man, I would get a guy.
I'm back to the other thing a minute. I get
a guy, rested guy who just say ten rocks okay,
And I tell her to look, you man, you want
to go to jail, you want to go home, so
we can we can make a deal right now. It's
at a money haul. How you want to play this,

(32:52):
you know? And I said, they okay, you know, I said, look,
I don't really care about the adult man. I want guns, guns, guns, murderers.
You tell me me, talk to me, baby, know what's happening.
So then I flip them. Immediately they okay, we're gonna
do X, Y and Z. This guy put them on
the bench. You know, hold him tight. We've got the dope,
got the crook go out to grab a guy with
a gun. Boom. Now, as you're reliable source, I said, okay, good,

(33:15):
I'm going to release you. We're gonna hold onto this dope,
but you're gonna work for me. Now, you're gonna book
this dope into evidence once you work off your case,
meaning I want four more arrest good ones, and then
we're gonna you know, you're don't even worry about you.
We're not gonna go to warm for you. We're gonna
work the case. But if you don't, don't getting warmed. Okay,

(33:36):
So the guy splits. Now everybody on the street knows that.
You know, they used to call me coul Cat. They
go coo cat. Just cap this cat with some dope.
The dude's out. They're gonna ask him first question, how'd
you get out of jail? Nobody bailed you out? You
know what I'm saying. Uh? And then what with with
the magic answer with these guys just say, oh, the
dirty cops they stole my dope. So that stole my dope, right,

(34:01):
So that's okay, that works out good because you know
why that staves that protects them because I can't ensure
they're safety. That's a cop I listening waitness protection. So
that was part of the game. But see, only the
real players that are on the game understood that as
well as the cops, because I'm I gotta take these
dope crush it, and you know, running risk of somebody saying, Okay,
I'm taking dope for my own personal use, I'm booked

(34:23):
into evidence. I gotta I got a case number, I
got a lab number because it was booked into the
evidence locker and it shows that it tests the positive cokaine.
You see what I'm saying. So that was the big game,
the misnomer. But nobody understood it because they're that stupid.
The administration didn't even get to pick. They didn't get
the memo, they didn't understand how to work. They're like, oh,
sonsal said he stole his dope. Was do an investigation?

(34:43):
When you do the investigation the dopes in the locker.
But anyways, so but for this purpose of the street,
that was good because then they figured out, okay, dirty cops.
You know, these guys are going to get cop to
see the guys who were in the game, that are
playing that are you know in the mix. They understood
if I get caught, you know, I can negotia. So
I'm getting phone calls left and right. If somebody gets caught,

(35:04):
I want to talk to could Cat. I want to
talk to cud Cat. So then I flip a case
and and we just continue going on and you would
find some of the baddest, toughest crooks out there. We're
on my payroll as performance. Yeah. So you see these
guys huffing and puffing. We had a little, you know,
a little arrangement. They seem fu you Lita, you punk ass,

(35:26):
blah blah blah. And then I'm like, do the same
thing you right off, and all the guys are good, like,
oh yeah, fuck him up. And then they do call
me on the phone and say, hey, man, did I
do good? Is that good acting? I go perfect, you
got Academy work, And you know it was. It was
like that right, So but it worked out good. So
I mean I developed a real good reputation from that.
So back back track, So I got these two cats

(35:48):
riding with us. Now my partner says, okay, you know
I don't want it. They come, I see these two
older white dudes. And I'm like, okay, you guys got
bulletproof vests. I go, why and because, well, we're gonna
take you. You're going to need it, and go. You
guys don't got the best. We've got the armor of God.
So we're good. So put some vests on these dude.
We roll into the Tendel in San Francisco. Within five minutes,

(36:08):
we're arm you a robbery, kidnapped, You got a gun?
Get out the guy. He's taking a dude out. Oh ship.
We back up in the farm. We're trying to watch it.
You know, we're watching this. I get on the phone,
he gets on the phone. We got my four phones
in the par right, So I said, okay, hit the headquarters. Man,
I need some units now, no no uh markings onan spook.
These guys get some plain closed units so we can
follow these guys see where they go. And they get

(36:30):
a kidnapped in progress. So next thing you know, we
make we're following. We make a right, right, right right
run the Bay bridge. They know what the police high
speed chase. They're popping round. Stuff's flying back and forth
between cars. Man and I forget about the dudes behind us.
I'm like, I'm not even tripping on him right, calling
the headquart the open Police, I'm called HP the helicopter,

(36:50):
and then he's working phones. These dudes get all the
way to West Oakland. They crashed the carner the projects,
they run and we snatch them up. We bring them
back to the car. Two white guys. You know the
man that chase is better than Bullet. I go, we
don't know about Bullet. That was my favorite movie. Man,
because I was one of the writers. I go, I thought,
you're druggist. He goes, I'm a screenwriter. I'll go screenwriter

(37:12):
and goes go, yeah, you know I worked on that
blah blah blah. And I said, oh cool, I go
ship Hollywood dudes. Right, So I'm go to our Cadillac.
It broke down a ship. So I told the total job.
I said, hey, drop that stolen car, man, I said,
to ours. So I go to a stone car, hot
wire it. I tell you, dudes, come on in, let's go.
We drive back. Sam. So have good, have a real

(37:34):
good dinner. That's it, Bob. I don't know. Two weeks
later or so, I get called from the lieutenant, Hey,
my buddies are back. I'm oh ship, hell yeah, Hollywood, right,
this go we run back in. We're gonna get over
time and we're gonna get a good ass meal coping
as of Hollywood. Right, So we go in meet the dude.
But there's three dudes this time. Right, We're talking this

(37:57):
guy and Neo Paul and some guy named Jerry Bruckheimer.
I know Jerry Bruckhmer was right. So I said, hey,
you know, hey, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
That was a great chase you guys got in. As
a matter of fact, they got it on a recording. Here.
I'm like, oh shit, I'm looking at Oh we said
some crazy my partner's Filipino flag. I'm a multi mixed. Instead,
we're saying some crazy shit on the phone, you know

(38:19):
what I mean. It was recording. I'm trying to figure
out how to get the recording right. So we're talking,
we're interested in purchasing your life, the rights to your
life story. So I looked at the boss. I'm like,
oh shit, this is a setup. I'm looking for cameras.
Turn with bears is honest, man, There's something's going on here, right,
And he goes, no, no, no, no, it has nothing
to do with your work. It's secondary employment. And then

(38:40):
he goes, yeah, so you can read this contract here.
It's about this thick and and the check. I'm saying,
I'm signing the check. I'm signing the contract. I want that.
I want that big old hunching k check. Right, So
we get a check. We got a Hollywood deal and
they said, hey, listen, we're gonna send up a writer
to work on movies with you, and uh, we're gonna
be basically, over the course of the next five years,

(39:02):
we need ten each. You give you each ten grand
each year. If we don't make the movie, uh, you know,
we can renegotiate the contract. So I'm like, damn, ten
GE's a year. So we get a screenwriter comes up
who actually became my quote sense of screenwriters u Ning
Larry Golan, and we started working on scripts. So about

(39:22):
six months in next hollywoods here. Now they know what
they got these two dudes. Man, they want to they
want to get action ats. So Don Johnson comes up
with this guy named Carlton Qes and carlt says, hey,
you know, we want to work on the My lieutenant
calls me again because these buddies whatever. Elliot in Hollywood,
we want to talk to you, And I said, Don
Johnson for Miamividyce. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We want

(39:43):
to roll with him. Right, So he comes up. We're
hanging out. I say, hey, Don, you can't use none
of my stories now because I'm on the contract the
rock Climber. No, no, no, we're not going to use
none of your stuff. Don't worry about it. So rest.
So we're telling them stories and all this stuff. I'm
still working with screenwriter. I come nineteen ninety six, it
was January, I think it was, go to his birthday party.

(40:05):
It was in the summer. Go to ninety five. We
go to his birthday party and he's drunk and he says,
come grabs me and my partner. He goes, hey, you
know what, I'm gonna name the show after you. My partner, right,
his name happens to be Nash, because I'm gonna name
the show after Nash and those two bridges. I'm like,
Nash Bridges. He goes, yeah, I go, but he goes,
we're in the country, goes, Nash Bridges. That's the name

(40:27):
of the show. Sure enough, March Nash Bridges man, I'm
like what. And then I called Carls and I said, hey, man,
you know I'm on the contract you use your pilot
was my investigation in Chinatown. I told you about you
used it for your pilot episode. He sends me a
check for five grand and I said, and I sent
it back, thank you, but no thank you. So we

(40:51):
end up suing. I got a bunch of loop because
they you know, they violated us per se. Anyways, so
about I would right, just more out there on the
streets man to check it out. Yeah, and they don't.
They don't even carry a gun. They carry this thing
called a pan and it's more powerful than the AR fifteen,

(41:12):
believe me. So anyways, so what happens is, so I'm
working on scripts, working on scripts, and I'm starting to
see all these movies Bad Boys, uh, Animate a State.
I'm seeing all this material, those all bruck Hammer movies.
I'm seeing all our material in these movies. This motherfucker's
are stealing our ship. So you know we're making our
movie because our ship was tight, right, I'm like, he

(41:34):
keeps submitting new scripts. I was not good enough, another
one I's not good enough. So now we're talking in
the fourth year of this game, right, it's Hollywood game.
We're talking nineteen ninety nine. Now I have an attorney,
Now I have an agent. I'm like, this is bullshit.
I want out of the contract. So my attorney's fighting, fighting,
fighting to get us out of the contract because Paramoulmus
could have deal with us, And we finally get to

(41:56):
the table and basically we get a check that says,
here's one hundred granted each shut the fuck up. Your
script now is on our shelf. Boom. So now I'm
like sitting here, like sitting Doug. Wow. And now my
whole intro to Hollywood has just been thwarted by, you know,
asking to get out of a contract because we want

(42:16):
to get paid for are worth is? But now all
during this time, now I'm still working as a cop,
so I'm doing both. I started to go went to
a federal task force at that time, so we negotiate
to give us some loot. Boom out. I get called
from one of my other partners, top African American director
named Antoine Football, and I had helped him on some

(42:37):
other projects before, and he says, hey, Paul, you know,
Denzel wants to work with you. On this new thing
called training day. On the training day, y'all send you
the script, see what you think. So I read it
written by this cat, David Airs, and it was flat,
you know, it was like it was about it was
about a crash stude in La a Raphael Press, dirty cop,

(42:57):
what do we can do? But it had no I
had no spunk. Man, It just didn't do it. So
I said, no, I can work with this man. I
gotta flip them around the dialogue, you know, you got
and you know. And the thing is was because how
he dressed in the movies, how I dressed in San Francis.
But that was like my uniform. Oh really yeah, the
playing the Black Eaters, I mean that was my that

(43:17):
was my signature. Had a Rolex watch. I mean, I
was one of those cats, right, So I kept me guessing.
So every time talking to the crookies looking at my
diamond roleg they've got the cuss on them. Look, you
know too late counting diamonds, man, you know what I mean?
So I will tell you, do you keep counting diamonds.
I'm clicking you up anyway. So the issue was that
the dude had the raptor. I had no swag. You
talk with an accident, you know, kind of kubano, you know,

(43:39):
ait like that. We spoke and my boy, the director
said he I want him to have your your your sweat.
You're getting down. I said, yeah, no, boblem. So we
worked together. I came up, there's some things for a
couple of weeks, and I said, I give you my
lucky I used to carry. I carried too, because those
are my hosts for training day. I said, I'm gonna
give you my lucky hosters. I said, guaranteed to get
an academic war with these babies, right, So anything was.

(44:02):
They carried six out of two twenties. But then because
the propmaster couldn't find him for the movie, they had
to use the Smith and Wesson for sixty nine, the
big forty, the big big babies. That's what the one
you see inside of thing. Anyway, So going forward, of course,
you know, worked on, came down, rewrote dialogue and stuff
inside the uh. The movie went down and filmed. It

(44:25):
used real crooks, use real gang bangers, the whole nine yards,
and the movie came out real good. Denzil got academy war.
So I turned on from there, I continued to work
as a consultant simultaneously while while working as a police officer,
been working on a bunch of other Mateers of the Sun,
Brooklyn's Finest Shooter, Equalizer one and two. Did all the

(44:49):
fight scenes, you know, Little on the mag seven and
again a couple of other movies as well. What I
would do is, you know, I couldn't physically be there
each Antonine shooting. We call how did this scene go down?
I write it out, work on it, you know, just
put it together just to stay in the mix, you know,
so as it's starting to go forward now, uh, just
prior to now to my I gave him my lucky

(45:10):
uh my holsters. Like I said, my bathroom was was
one eight seven. Now initially when I had got it,
my star was three eighty nine, which was my lucky star.
So I gave him a lucky star, my lucky posters.
When I acquired the star number one eight seven Pinnacle
for homicide. My nephew who's now a lieutenant the police department.
To the police department. Yeah, this crazy numbers like was

(45:33):
like four thousand or something or another. And in the
police Department's gotta have a low digit number to kind
of like show seniority. Everybody has like a four digit numbers,
like you know, you're a new new boot. So he said, Paul, hey,
if I can get you a lower star number, do
you think I can have your your start three eighty nine?
I mean yeah, yeah, yeah go fiming went up. Cool,
you'll be so sure enough a couple of days because

(45:54):
I got one for you one eight seven one eight seven,
I said, taken, because no nobody wants it. I said, well, okay,
if we right it up, if they say I can
give you mine, and I can, I'll take down. And
that's who it drops my number down, drop yours too. Boom.
I got one and the seven so and so that's
how that's that come forward. And what happened was, uh,
you're talking. This is towards my latter portion of my

(46:16):
career in San Francisco. All of a sudden, the defensive
turns got a hold of this. When I would go,
they would see my star number and they would automatically
assume like, oh, I'm relating to the star number because
I like to kill people, because I haven't you know,
I had been in a lot of oises. I've been
in a number of OSes and the course of uh
being plot Sampson Police deparment, all of which were justified

(46:36):
medals of valor. I mean, I was the most decorated
coff in San Francisco. I mean, but we're a uniform.
It looked like Vietnam, all the work, you know. Two
I had two goals, uh uh, three silvers, five bronzes,
uh meritors. I mean, I just go on. It's crazy.
It's unbelievable at the most part, but you know, it

(46:58):
is what it is. So as my career started, I
started to see all this all a lot of mis
injustices go down, and this that and the other. There's one.
It's all featured in my book. You know, they turn around.
They were coming after me hard, you know, like they're
making all these accusations. You know, I've been shot a
couple of times. I was going to disability in my
leg was killing me at that point. Remebody was shot

(47:19):
early and you know I went to my disability here
and like you got shot. Really we didn't know. I mean,
you know, stuff like that. Crazy, right, So I'm going
through this whole, this whole ordeal, and you know, it
was very troubling at the time. Like I said, it
was just my you know, knowing that I'm doing God's
work and being out there doing that stuff. Actually it

(47:39):
kept me on track. And just prior to all that,
you know, everything started to my career started to started
to go to the trajectory started going down. I was
at the top of the game. Now. You gotta remember
now now because all of a sudden, now they're restricting
my movement of what I could do. And you know
I had, uh I remember it was I was told

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stand down, Paul. Actually think it was ninety nine. He
was like, I knew everything was starting to go funking
around ninety nine, So stand down, pauls, stand down. You're
you know, you're making too much weage, you're going after
making all you actually doing movies, doing all this. I'm
like hearing this from my boss, like I got to
do anything. Man, I'm doing my job. You know, I
run a task force. This is my thing. So he said, okay,
just just before Christmas, man, he said, listen, man, we

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don't want no problems. Man, just you know, do what
you gotta do. Just do the drug buy and then
come back to call it a day. So it was
my partner we had a Lincoln continent and parked to
the fire. US like, we got an informant, we can
send them in just to go buy some dope so
I can get search one after Christmas. These got just
killed some people, and you know, running dope and killing people,

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that's the game. So we send my informant in. He's
buying some dope and my sergeant at the time, he
was close covered to Washington. Formant going to the house.
We're in the car, eat the ritos. All of a sudden,
I hear my sergeant on the air. He goes, I said,
got it, he's just robbing a guy right now. I'm like,
oh shit. You know, we're supposed to not look at

(49:05):
my partner Mike Alexander, and I'm like, dude, ain't supposed
to be doing anything that. The tenant says, stand down,
and then the sergeant comes back in the air again.
This guy's running, he's got a gun, he's got a
gun shot. I'm like, oh ship, we gotta get an
action hottail out. You know, I forget. We have a
guy buying dope down the block, right So I'm like
the sergeants about getting get down. So I go down

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the street. He's going running down towards Low Up, Low Balls.
She's going towards Plymouth. So we're trying to you know,
kitty corner with his cat's coming. So we run down
the street called Pharaongs. We're flying down the street and
then from from the vehicle. This is in the night now,
around seven thirty at night. It's dark. All we got
a street work. So we're flying down. I see someone

(49:47):
running up and I can see guy kind of our
sergeant blow away. He's kind of you know, he's kind
of you know, rolling down a little bit too. So
we hit the brakes, jump out the car. I'm on
the passroom, my partners in the driver. We start runn
towards the guy and I said, drop the gun. Drop
the guy because he's running with the pistol. Right, I
start dropped the gun. He comes up. He starts to

(50:07):
raise at us to start to shoot, and I'm like,
I was about to squeeze, and he spends. I'm like,
oh shit, right, So he turns and he only gave
me like a little little bit of him to you know,
to mitigate the threat. So he spins. He starts running
and the only thing between him and freedom is our sergeant.
So he raises up. He's about to put one in

(50:29):
the sars. So I'm running run around. So I just
stopped plant my feet and I just I mean, we're
talking almost one hundred yards, you know. I come up
and I just squeezed boom, and he's coming up with gun.
He starts to I can't see him squeeze it, but
I see him like planting his seat as he's running,
and I take the shot. Boom. It comes at him
at a forty five gangle. It hits some enters into

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his videos who is the part of his back right,
The lad hits a boom and it comes I believe
it comes out of his chest. He drops, the gun,
falls down the ground. We run up to him, secure
the gun. We're trying to you know, we're getting ready
to cut him up. Sergeant comes and then you know
that was like we're talking seventh thirty now. All it
was was the street like and my partner's looking at

(51:14):
you know, he's like, my part is looking at because
I'm running's looking at the smoke coming out of my gun.
You know, I was like, oh, there was one shot,
one drop right, pop that back into my hoster on
my back and stuff clicked the guy up, you know,
get him out to it. The hard part was calling
my boss after and say, hey, sorry thee tendant. I
know he told us not to do nothing, but I
just got into the office box shooting, you know, and

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he was like, oh damn, you know, just before Christmas,
you know, so I mean the guy ended up. I
mean he ended up passing away, you know, some time later.
But you know, you know, I mean, ship happens, so uh,
we won't be robbing nobody no more. So. The fact
of the matter is is that and uh, you know,
ship like that was going down. So I've been in
I mean a number of o asses. So as it

(51:59):
goes for it, they started to examine that. It's like, oh,
you know, you need disguised little control, you know. I mean,
it's just stupid rumors that started passing around. So anyways,
so as it starts to go forward, one of my
partners gets ended up. What is it? I'm sorry, We're
get into a big old another I get into another shooting. Uh.

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In two thousand and two thousand and three, it was
right after you remember the protests they had in it
was the anti war protests in two thousand and three,
they had all these big old like two hundred thousand
plus people were the Iraqi war and all that stuff.
They're protests in the war. So in San Francisco they
had a protest, like two hundred and fifty or three

(52:42):
hundred thousand protesters. They were just you know, they were
just paraying through the streets. It was like a sea
of Antifa throughout San Francisco. Well, I get appointed as
the undercover to be with Antifa, some marching with these
two thousand and three right, so we got to find
who the ring leader is because they're like and all
this you know, uh, felonious vandalism throughout the city, you know,

(53:03):
breaking windows, blowing up cars, doing all this crazy stuff.
So we identify the leaders and in the course of
doing this stuff, we got to make an arrest. It
give us the eight get them. So I go to
get the leader. As I grab the dude, we big
brag goes down. We're fighting, you know, and uh, I'm
under cover and I'm with this group. Didn't know what's
going on. Well, then the cops come. The swat dude

(53:24):
or the tactical guy, the motorcycle hats and bats. Well,
the first stargeant jumps off, he takes the thirty sixty
h piton swing. It catches me head right and I
turned back around. I go, I'm lozada, I'm undercovered. We're
making the arrest. Comes again for a second strike. Boom,
he comes up for a third strike, and I'm like,

(53:44):
blood's coming out of my ear and I'm choking out
some leader right and if we're fighting, and they grabbed
my bags and steals my badge, and when eighty seven,
you know it was crazy. Anyways, So right after that,
you know, we quote the situation. I don't take off
from more. I can't lose my hair in a bit.
I just want to apologies from this guy. But of course,
you know he's wanted to protective, wants to apologize. The

(54:07):
next day, we got information on the guy who's killed
two dudes or three dudes up in the Project San Francisco.
So I said, okay, I get check it right. In action,
I'm not you know, I'm not skipping the beat. I said,
let's go get this cat. So I call my informant.
He set it up. We're going to get this guy.
As we're going to as about in the process. We're
going to make us the rest of the guy because
he had a warant for some other stuff. We set

(54:28):
it up. He goes to a particular location in San Francisco.
He's a passenger of a car. We spot him. I
go to get him to do jumps from passenger seat
to driver's seat, turns on the car and starts to
back out. He smashed it into the wall. I thought
he smashed into my My sergeant, and I'm talking get
out the car. He starts to come towards me, and
there's no room for me to move at all, and

(54:50):
I shoot to you know, basically to defend myself as
well as the other officers on the scene. And I
washed the bullet go right into it. I'm in, I'm
in for center, and we're like with then, I don't know,
ten to fifteen feet he's coming at me with the car.
I take his shot center math. I watched the bullet
go through the windshield and the kids tears stand the

(55:10):
car that the murder suspect, and I watched his body
go like matrix and the bullet goes straight into the seat.
I get to the car and he just drives off
I'm like, the fuck did I just see it? Was?
It was the mine intervention man. It was like dude. Anyways,

(55:30):
end up catching them later the guy uh read him
catching him like a week later or so. We charged
with the crime and all this good stuff. He wants
to be my informant. He starts to you know, write
me letters and all this stuff and basically says, you know,
I'm gonna catch these cats, get you with guns and
all this stuff that I need to get out so
I can give my son's birthday party. I said, whoa. Okay,

(55:51):
So as this is going on, I remember now administration
is coming after me during this time, right, So they
in turn go run up to go see the kid
and try to flip him say that they wanted to
take see that shooting because I didn't hit nothing or
hit him or anything. Was actually an officer about discharge

(56:12):
when you hit somebody, it's an option in ball shooting.
So what they wanted to do is say, oh, You've
been in so many options involved shootings and I'm like, well, whoa,
And I was already cleared already. Now this is like
a month after the January shooting. They wanted to make
it so that I wasn't clear to pull me off
the streets. You see what I'm saying, I just want
to pull me off the streets. It's like why because

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this guy wouldn't. Particularly the supervisor had a hurd So
as it goes forward, they turned around and try to
make a case off of nothing that never went nowhere.
They even went to the extent of just how politically
powerful they were, talk to the d eight and had
them drop the chargers on the guy trying to kill
me with the car. They didn't even press chargers on
because we had a warrant for him for trying to

(56:53):
kill these other people and she's killing another person. They
dropped all the charges, and then they tried the defense
attorneys to utilize this to take the only reason they
dropped the charges because of Paul Azada's uh, sketchy law
enforcement career, which is all bullshit. I mean, my shit,
it was. It was immaculate, so there was not even
a reason for them to even go that direction. But

(57:14):
they want to believe that narrative, so that's the direction
they want. So they ended up uh. And then after
I was clear, ended up arrested another twenty dudes with
guns and stuff over the course of like a three
week period, because nobody said I was clear. But then
there's one particular boss said no, you're not clear. You're
off the street. So they pulled me off the street.
So now I'm like pissed. I'm like, oh shit. I
get a cachet of AK forty sevens at a location

(57:37):
in the hood and said, let's go get them right,
search one from the desk, because my boss said he
just right, just you know right, you know, search ones.
So I said, okay, what if something to think. I'm
just doing admins to right and search one. Get it
for the place. The informants hooks me up with the guy.
So I called a dude and I say, hey, yeah, man,
let me get this. I want to buy an AK
for I want to buy a dozen guys. Okay, okay,

(57:57):
this is buy one first. What's up? I give you
eight hundred dollars in the hounce bunce a math that'll
work out good. You know, some of the phones sitting
at my desk creating this whole buy. But then I
told my boss I'm ready to go. We're gonna do tomorrow.
Is the other Boston doesn't like he says no someth like,
and I'm stuck like Chucks. That's called my partner and say, hey,
you pretend you're me. You're gonna meet the guy. I'm

(58:18):
gonna call a guy on the phone from the office
and I'll just do it from my desk. So I'm
talking to do Hey, man, meet me and the blue
Malibu and I got the dove, I got the guns. Whatever.
So they go to meet, they go to make the
pinch big fight. They get the AK you know, and
they're just trying to eat up the money. Now you
got to go to the house to get the other
eleven AK forty seven. Well, the head boss, who doesn't

(58:38):
like me, says, we're not fucking around with Search one.
So nobody goes to the house to get Search one.
Now just keep that in mind. Fast forward eleven months later,
my partner gets murdered by one of the gang members
who had the A K forty seven if they wouldn't
let us get a year before. At this point that's
two thousand and fourty names ISAA gets Spinoza. I don't
gonna get heard of them, or you can look them up.

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Tragic great cop MANA is gonna die because you know,
we couldn't politics and ship, you know what I mean.
The dude had a ten dollars bag of weed in
his pocket and the AK forty seven under his jacket,
I mean, you know what I mean. So after that, man,
it was like I just like, I just lost it. Man.
It was just you know, just going crazy, so we
wouldn't let us get this stuff. And next thing you know,

(59:22):
they turn around and I'm watching TV again, sitting on
a quote bench, and I see this Chinese dude. You
know how I have those Asian hate crime now going
on and all that stuff. That shit ain't nothing new,
and no, they're just blown this shit up like it's
some new stuff. It's like misdirection, you know what I mean.
It's like, oh, look at this, go look at this,
so people don't focus on the real problems of society

(59:45):
current times. But anyways, it's okay, so we're going to
go back two thousand and three. So this Chinese cap
older man, he goes to all the gardener's wife, he leaves,
goes to Macy's take a ship, and next thing you know,
some dude falls him in and beats him to death
bare hands, makes his wallet, gets the fuck out. It's
on video camera, so news out next day. I'm just

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sitting here eating food at the local diner and stuff,
and I see I see this guy go look my informant.
I'm looking at the gun and the screen murder suspect
some shit. So what happened was? I come to find
out later on. Then I get called for my informants
and he I got information on the on the on
the murder. I know who stole the credit card, the

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guys who used the credit card, and I know where
they're at. So we put together this whole case. And
I and the guy who's wanted, who's one Army dangers
going parole at large. You know. I talked to my
captain and I said, hey, man, I know where the
guy's at and go get him. He said, yeah, yeah,
we got to get the guys on the news, you know,
big thing. I'm getting ready to do it, and then
I get I get shut down. Boom, Sorry, the big

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boss again says that you can't go nowhere. The guy
who's investigating my officer involved dis started shooting. You know,
I'm already been clear, but they're still saying it's going on.
It's just really I'm like, wait a minute. So it's
just rolling around, just killed some dude and stuff and
Chinese dude at that, and I can't go get him.
He's got a arm, the dangerous warrant. Just snatch him up.
It's all good. Do whatever you need to do. They

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shut it down, and they're starting this fucking game with me.
Fast forward again about him. Maybe a month later, I
get another car, say, hey, man, this dude's gonna bounce.
Man is his birthday. He's gonna bounce. Don't do shit well.
The same crew of guys they go out because they're
doing street robberies on Heroin. Man. They end up doing
a car jack. They get away. Cops are chased him

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early morning, about five morning or five thirty, and they
start chasing through the residential area. This guy's newly wet.
He starts loading up his car, you know, carpenter the car.
The suspect car truck turns around the corner, just load
his car. They hit him. Broom, he split his body
in the fucking half. Oh put it from the half

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right and crashes. One guy gets away. The other two
guys get napped. So as they get now, I get
called and I said hey. I called the boss said, hey,
man is still out loose man, he was involved in
that thing. We got blood on our hands. I called
the chiefs at the time, and and then uh, I said,
I know where the guy's at. Blah blah blah. So
I go to meet him that night and I said, look,

(01:02:15):
I got warned. I know what is the suspect at
this is this is bad for San Francisco. With got
blood on my hands. What do you want to do?
He says, go do God's work? So I said, cool.
I called my boss. I let him know, say, hey,
the chief just told me. I just went over everybody.
I went straight. I knew the chief. I went straight
to the chief. He's fucking authority, right, I mean, God
is the ultimate, but this guy, for Simprus, the police parment,

(01:02:36):
he was the authority. So I was listening to him
at that moment. So we put together a team. I
couldn't get nobody way. I can't walk. I can't walk.
He's fucking pussies. Now nobody wants to. I had like
a little black label, don't fuck with Paul Man because
you know the boss will say. You know he's on
the bench. You can't do nothing. I go, dude, I'm
a cop. If I didn't, if they took away in
my badge and my gun, I said, there's no powers

(01:02:57):
to be okay, but I got my badge in my gun.
So the police officer, this guy's a murderer times too.
I said, he's got a warn arms and dangerous. I
gotta take it. I can't live with myself if this
do still walking on the street run out. I get
finally put together a crew. And you got to remember, now,
two months ago they told us where the suspect took

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the victims credit cards and threw it in a gutter
and a sewer. So we knew about this. In a
homicide detail. Knew about this two months prior, and I
worked violent crimes in special investigations. Nobody went out to
to go get the security credit cards. So I take
a team. We go to the guys spot, kick open
the dog boom, snatched the dude up and stuff. He's
on the rest. I called in homicide inspector to say, hey,

(01:03:41):
you know handle, you know he's ready for I. Actually
I have another guy call him and say, hey, tell
them we have the suspect. Time to interview him. We
go to the sewer. We have the water department dig
up for thirty minutes. We recover all the stolen goods.
So we're putting together the case. Now they just getting
wrapped up from him. Well, homicide runs down supposed next day,

(01:04:02):
I talked to the deputies that work to jail. They
go in and say, is power there? You go? Yeah,
they go you want to talk? You want to talk? Okay, bye?
They leave like that. Any men, if you the guy,
they were trying to stabotage their own fucking case because
they want to want to you know, put me in
you know, accuse me of uh sabotage in their case.

(01:04:22):
So they're going to sabotage on their own, uh, to
just make sure that, like I fucked up form type
of shit. So as going forward, this is two thousand
and two thousand and four. At this time, I'm already
seeing the complexion of the department. Man, they are ready
put a label on me. Everybody while I was connected to,
or for that matter, had juice with, was already retired.
There's a whole new regime paper taggers that were running

(01:04:43):
the show. And you know, I was starting to see
the direction was going. I say, what it's time for
me to go. But anyways, as it starts to go
towards the latter portion of my crying, they're splitting. In
two thousand and eight from there, twenty five years with
the scene in County, I just resigned. I just up
and gone, you know what, fuck this ship right, this
is bullshit, man, you know what I mean? And I
had a big lawsuit. I lost on a technicality. I mean,

(01:05:05):
it's just just wild shit. But I still doing movie stuff.
I still did that stuff. So I ended up leaving,
did a little bit of intil a blackwater, did something
with some training and some things or another, and then
I hadn't my post hadn't expired yet, so I hooked
up with the Agency of the Sacramento. I did that
thing with calex BO. I was a gang detective for
and then became a sergeant for ten years, and they

(01:05:27):
allowed me The chiefest cool dude man. He was a
swat commander back back in the day with sax Sheriff's Department.
He was the one that did all the swat people used.
They had they called the good guy talked about a
good guy sees tactical operation. He was in charge of
that big o shootout and the whole nine yards up
there anyway, So I went to work for him, great boss.
I stayed for about ten years till I retired out,

(01:05:49):
which was twenty nineteen, and then prior to that, I hooked.
It was with Santa Clara as their gang detective special
Events officers who worked all the forty nine games and
ultimately left there in October of twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Man, that's a wild rude.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Yeah, I mean outside of every little bit of story,
and then inside the book, you know, I talk about
some of the stories I don't really get I get
in depth, but I don't get in depth in depth.
I mean, I made over twenty thousand fell rests during
the course of my career, so and all of them,
i'd say seventy percent of them were like, you know,
hivy hitters and like bad, bad, bad people, you know,
people who don't want to go to jail, you know.
And it was this a matter of you know, understanding

(01:06:28):
and knowing. Going back to what I was saying about
deciding to become a cop, I just wanted initially because
I thought, Hey, it was stable something I wanted to do.
But I didn't really understand my purpose to serve God
in his capacity until I say, the late eightes early nineties,
when I started to understand. I mean, I would pray
every day, God, show me the direction, give me the building,

(01:06:49):
kick these guns off the street, and there was a gun,
and just kept going non stop for a whole Man,
He's like showing me away. And it just you know,
when I understood that and was big was able to
actually uh fulfill that purpose, it made my career even better.
And the fact of the matter is that you know,
when you're doing God's work and you're out there doing
that stuff, you're going to be you know, we're in

(01:07:10):
a world of spiritual warfare, you know what I mean.
We're dealing with the elements of darkness, man, and when
you understand those elements, especially as a cop, you're going
to be able to recognize what's set before you in
any given circumstance. And unfortunately, people you popped the badge
on in the uniformly think that they're previous, you know,
and like like suspect, you're just going to adhere to
the fact that their law enforcement. It's not the case

(01:07:32):
because people that are brought up in an atmosphere or
a community that hate the police to begin with, it
can get two ships if you're if you got five
you know, stripes on your shoulder, bars on your neck,
and you got a gun. It's just wait for an
opportunity to fuck you up, man, if you especially if
you're messing up their game. So you know, unfortunately people
a lot of cops are not trained in that manners

(01:07:54):
or to recognize those issues at hand. You know, we
talk about de escalation. Absolutely, cops need to be able
to know acronautic, you know, act with the different cultures
rather than you know, you get kids coming from the
suburbs coming out to the goods and mean then they're
you know, they're trying to talk in such a fashion
and you know that community man, they're like, you know,
they got their own language. Man, If you're trying to
talk like them and you don't speak like them, you

(01:08:17):
want a shipload of trouble, you know, because then you're
mocking them. You're looking at you as mocking them. And
see it's unfortunate they don't have training. They don't teach
the cops like you can't act like that. But you
have cops that are already have an understanding because they
group and to that type of neighborhoods. But then you
get their bosses who want to retrain them and say no, no, no, no, no,

(01:08:38):
you can't talk like that. You're not even being a cop,
not even acting like the top because cops have to
talk a certain way. You have to have a special
language in the police world for other cops to understand.
So yeah, ten four, how you doing good, buddy? You know,
whatever kind of shit it is. But it don't work
because when you're in the street, when you're talking tots,
somebody's cats don't understand it. Can I can you please
show me your registration? Son? No, let me see a

(01:08:59):
fucking registrants, like the fuck out. I guess you do.
Oh yeah, cool, boom got you the registration, you know,
so you know, you know game recognized games, so you
know understandably, you know, you can't expect everybody to uh
have a specific manner that you're going to speak to.
But you got to be able to adapt. It's all
about adaptability of being able to perform to your your surrounding,
your situation, you know. So, I mean as a cop,

(01:09:22):
that's what I you know, you know, came across. It's
kind of wild now. I mean I actually, after whatever
thirty seven years, I actually got certified as a police chaplain.
So I'm a police chaplain. Now it's come to another
level of stuff, right. I could also do weddings, uh,
baptisms and funerals, just kidding, but uh this joke, but no, no,

(01:09:42):
I am a police chapels. But uh yeah, so you know, uh,
you know, I have a beautiful I had a wonderful
I would never I wouldn't change anything. I mean, even
going through all the ship that I want to through
to San Francisco and everywhere else. You know, it helped
make make me who I am today, like I said,
and you know, and then you know, doing in the
movies and you know, like my partner Antoine I told him,

(01:10:03):
I said, you know, you have the ability man, and
great directors like you know, being able to bes a Christian,
being able to take and use that medium to reach
out to millions of people. Man. So if you like,
if you're watching any of these movies, you'll always see
a hint or you know, a spiritual aspect back to God.
And you can see it in all of his movies
like Training. If you oh, Dirty Cop t any co.

(01:10:25):
But training day was basically the wages of sindequal death.
You do some dirty cop shit, you're probably gonna die.
You're gonna end up in prison. That's the bottom line,
you know. And you know, I think that now nowadays,
you know, like officers, you know, they need to the
administration to training. They need to reorganized and reassess what

(01:10:45):
you're sending out there. What're sending these cops out in
the field. They're not providing them with the necessary I
should say ammunition, not meaning bullets, but to be able
to deal with the number of situations that they're going
to encounter. There's counterproductive. They're trying to you know, clean
up other bullshit that within the department. So they're like
they have a problem with this. They create programs with

(01:11:05):
the cops and do this rather than just sitting down,
do an assessment of policing in its entirety and trying
to find the solutions to be able to deal with,
you know, the issues at hand with the community.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
So much, I mean, I could keep you here for
another four hours if if I have the time. There's
so much going on, man, and I'd love to bring
it back to talk about that whereas I know today
we're learning about you. And again, folks, you can find
more about him an Officer one E I G H
T seven. It's one eight seven Officer one eight seven
dot com. The book is called Officer one seven. You

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can also find them as Paul Lozada l o z
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Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Like I said, but I can keep you here for
four or five hours easily, and I know we still
probably even touched the tip of the iceberg with what
you know. That's what I'd love to bring it back
to talk more about that too, about the current state
of affairs, about what you learned earned as a cop
dealing with that language, even the Triads, you know, the
exposure to the Triads, I think for a lot of

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people's rush.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Hour exactly exactly. And you know the things you don't
remember now. I mean this stuff you're talking, This stuff
goes back to the Barbara Coolest and San franciscem and
the history is rich, you know what I mean. And
the fact the man you got, you know, back then,
just like in the gangs in New York with Leonardo
DiCaprio and stuff, and the Uh, it's crazy man. I
gotta take there. You go, oh, that was a great movie.

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I gotta tell the story. So I get called from
my buddy Antoine, and I always telling don't put him
in low speaker and never know who's on the phone, right,
And she said, hey, Paul, hey, man, what do you
think about Leonardo di Caprio? Man, you know, blah blah blah.
And I go, oh, yeah, he's cool, man. But I
didn't even care from that Romeo and Juliette movie. Man,
that's a little stoff man little you know, like Shulgar
in his tank. You know, I'm just whatever whatever. Then

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he goes, there's a pause. Then he goes, Paul, I
want you to meet Leo. Leo. This is Paul. He's
in the car. I'm like and he goes, oh, wow, whatever,
Really that's soft, And I go, well, dude, you know
you've kind of moved up in the world. You know,
they're doing big things now. But yeah, I tell you, man,
it's a little something something in that movie there. So
it's kind of like an inside, inside thing. But back

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to the Barberie Coast. Samrus had a rich history in
that man and back then you had the Sydney ducks.
You had was you're talking and racially divided. You're talking
all the gangs and the Hispanic the Mexicans. They were
in San Mateo. You know, the they had that they
that Shanghai Kelly. They had the pricking bars. They were
just you know, guys get drunk and they had the
trap door you know, boom they'd fall through and knock

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them out. They put them back. No, no, no, no,
Barbie coast Man, this is real ship. There's stuff, Shane Kelly. Yeah,
so San Francis was not tourists. And see the triad
if they came, you know, they came to the land
of Milk and honey man, you know, Golden Mountain, you know,
the whole nine yards. They came from China because they're
gonna put there with the belief that they're gonna be

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doing big things. But they're getting. They're getting the Chinese
bookmakers are calling them. We'll bring them over to work
in the railroad, you do, you know what I'm saying.
But see they came out. They brought monks. These dudes,
you know, they got the c long ponytails and these
guys are like gung fu fighting machines. Man that's what
you saw, like the gung Fu the TV show gun Fu,
remember with David Carroty. Oh there, yeah, that's right, right, Okay,

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well what guy remember? So a lot of these guys
came over and see and of course of doing that too, Gouta.
Remember they brought Heroin with him too. So just it's crazy, man.
So you're talking to them triads at began, I mean
in the gangs in San Francisco. You're talking eighteen forty
nine man Goldvers times, you know what I mean. I'm
singing and all that, you know, all that crazy stuff.

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So Bonanza, you know, remember the waiter or the butler
or whatever it was they got hop sing the Chinese. Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
No, it's actually reminded me more of a have gun
will travel a Paladin.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Yeah, you go with that one too, exactly the same
same thing, bro. So. So Samsu had had a rich history, United,
the Irish had, the Italians. You know, it was it
was wild stut the gang. You know, gang wars have
been going on for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Still happening now and like other problems too. Absolutely, man,
I tell you we're gonna have to do this again. Well,
we have to set out two or three hours. Absolutely,
the history part that was really cool. I didn't I
didn't think of much of that in Shanghai. Kelly, Now
I got a look, kid, because.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
You gotta remember now, Yeah, because you got to remember
down San Francisco when it went down they had actually
I wrote I wrote a screenplay years ago they called
five Charlie's because they called the cops back there Charlie's.
In San Francisco they called Charlie's. So I have five
Charlie's and you and and one of them wasn't was
a a guy was a monk from the shellon Temple,
you know, who's the insider with with the San Francisco

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cops going after the triads as well as a wild story?

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Was that because of Charlie Channer?

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
No, just well I think that's part of what they
did with Charlie chanting. But there is Charlie's. I don't
know why they called him Charlie, but they called him
Charlie's five or they called him Charlie's you know. And uh,
But like I said, rich history with with the police
force back then and in the rebuilding up San Francisco
after the nineteen six or quick crazy stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Well, Paul, we'll have to cut it here, but I
can't thank you enough for the opportunity to talk to you.
Like I said, we got to bring it back and
continuous conversation if you're up to it. It's a fascinating,
incredible career. And again, thank you very much for your service.
And it's terrible that you recount of those things, but
you had a heck of a life that most cops
wouldn't even come close to.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Yeah, man, it's just wild man. Like I said, it's
been a blessing, you know. I tell people say it's
a blessing to Chris, but no, no, no, it's never
a curse. It's always been a blessing. I'm just I
just thank god I'm allowed to talk about it, you know,
And we're going to be just so you know, we
are going to uh right now, we're in the process.
We're developing into a film and a feature film as

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well as a TV series of Francisco. So we're in
the process of putting all that together right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Well, I definitely had that movie wouldn't do justice. It
has to be something because it also has a lot
of flashes of the wire.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Which is it it's like it's like, dude, I mean,
you can't even begin I can't even begin to go
into you know, like I mentioned to you about the
it's in the book, like my moms hooked up with
black panthers, But the one guy she was hooked up
with particularly was a guy named rich Aoki, and they
called him the Yellow Panther. He was actually we didn't
know untill later because he was the guy the Field
Marshall he trained you know, uh, Hugh Newton and all

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those guys in warfare martial arts because he was in
the military. But he's also professor at u C. Berkeley.
But it wasn't until like, you know, this was when
I met him. I was in the late sixties. I
think it was in the late seventies early eighties. They
learned that he was an informant for the FBI. Oh wow, yeah,
look him up, Yellow Panther, Richie Aoki. So he would

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come to the you know, he'd come to the my
mom's music production thing, all slicked back Asian with the
little glasses. I'm like, oh, this did looks fly as hell, man,
you know what I mean. I didn't know what this junt,
the little kid I didn't know until later on. You know,
it is wild. He's got a lot of stories man,
a lot of history man, and shit in interconnects with
the number of things. I mean I was able to.
That's like, you know, just cross connects to lots of

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you know, for the martial arts as well. Help me
interact with a whole bunch of folks from all.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Different you know, awesome stuff, folks. I mean, I know
you probably saying, doctor, just keep going. I wish I could,
but I can't. But either way, folks, go to Officer
one eight seven. Remember that eight is spelled out EI
g h T Officer one eight seven. You can also
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